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Dear Susan,

I saw your e-mail regarding your ancestor indentured to the saw mill. To the
best of my knowledge I am not aware of any Scots prisoners purchased from
Capt. Greene of the John and Sarah. All of the prisoners sent over were the
property of the Iron Works Company and were not owned by him. He was
providing transport according to the court records. The company then sold
individuals to members of the community at large, after they kept many for
use at the Braintree, Boston warehouse, and Lynn sites. Richard Lederer then
purchased or took a number of them with him to set up a saw mill at Berwick,
Maine.

In regards to your question about the ancestors of the Scots, they now live
world wide. Some of the prisoners were sent to Barbados, but it seems that
those on the John and Sarah were purchased exclusively for New England and
the Company of Undertakers of the Iron Works at Lynn. Within the US I have
had contact with descendants of the Saugus Scots that now live from Maine to
California at the seminars I have presented, the latest a week and a half
ago.

I am also forming a new lineage society, similar to the Mayflower Society or
DAR, for the descendants of the Saugus Scots. If you would like to be kept
informed of the organization, let me know.

Sincerely,

Bill Budde
Relatively Speaking
177 Old Mill Road
East Arlington, VT 05252-9777
(802) 375-9296
E-mail: bbudde@...



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Bill Budde wrote:
>
> I saw your e-mail regarding your ancestor indentured to the saw mill. To the
> best of my knowledge I am not aware of any Scots prisoners purchased from
> Capt. Greene of the John and Sarah. All of the prisoners sent over were the
> property of the Iron Works Company and were not owned by him. He was
> providing transport according to the court records. The company then sold
> individuals to members of the community at large, after they kept many for
> use at the Braintree, Boston warehouse, and Lynn sites. Richard Lederer then
> purchased or took a number of them with him to set up a saw mill at Berwick,
> Maine.
>

Several different sources do not concur with the above.  While the
prisoners on the Unity in 1650 were sent to the Iron Works to work in
Saugus and Braintree and other locations, almost all the prisoners on
the John and Sara did not work for or at the Iron Works.  They were
indentured to many masters in the Mass Bay Colony.

E N Hartley in his "Ironworks on the Saugus....." Norman OK, U of
Oklahoma, 1957 and others so state.  Hartley checked all available
records of workers at the Iron Works and AFAIR he could not find any of
the John and Sara prisoners

The letter filed with the Suffolk County Registrar of Deeds written by
Robert and William Greene of London to Thomas Kemble in Boston makes no
mention of the Iron Works.

My ancestor John Brow[ne] was probably indentured to William Makepeace
of Dorchester as within 4 years he had his freedom and married
Makepeace's daughter.  The John and Sarah sailed from Gravesend after 11
Nov 1651 and arrived in Boston before 13 May 1652.  John Browne was a
resident of Cambridge when he married Esther Makepeace on 24 Apr 1655.
He moved to Marlborough MA then to Falmouth, District of Maine and
finally c 1694 to Watertown MA where he died in 1697.

His son John moved to Gloucester about 1694 and his descendants live
throughout the USA.

bob gillis

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Was the Neile Mackone listed among the prisoners aboard the "John and Sarah"
the same man of this name later found in Isle of Wight County, VA ?   Was he
the ancestor of the McCone and Cone families of NE North Carolina? There is
speculation that he was, but I have been unable to substantiate this.  Can
anyone
tell me if there are court documents for the "sale" of these prisoners after
they reached New England?

Jennifer Cone
Savannah, GA


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SusanG1400@... wrote:
Hello, to SusanG1400@...

  Alexander Gordon was also a prisoner from Worcester, He was sent to Watertown
Ma. Under contract to a Mr. John Cloyes. To make a long story short he wound up
in Exeter New Hampshire where he married Mr. Nicholis Lysson/Listen's Daughter
Mary. Many of his desendents are still in New England. Myself in Norridgewock
Maine. I,ve had contacts with others in California, and in Mass. Most lines are
dwendeling away with smaller families. I have alot of information on my line.

Merle Gordon merrill515@...



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Is anyone else receiving numerous trash messages like the one below after any
other posts?

Jennifer Cone


Subj:   Re: Re: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Descendants of Scottish War
Prisoners
Date:   10/5/2004 5:37:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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I have been reciving and have just complained to him, to postmaster and
abuse all at externet.nl.  Must be some automatic new address message.

bob gillis

JennyCone@... wrote:
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> other posts?
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> Jennifer Cone
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> Prisoners
> Date:   10/5/2004 5:37:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:    dillard_he@...
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Wtf?

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