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Re: [mandatoryschooluniform] NC Hicks V Halifax county school board   Message List  
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Arguments

As said, I'm keen to discuss any arguments here.

Here are some of the perceived benefits mentioned by principals:
- the school's image in the community
- classroom discipline
- peer pressure
- school spirit
- concentration on schoolwork
- student safety
http://www.naesp.org/ContentLoad.do?contentId=929

Parents often articulate perceived benefits around concepts like
equity, ease and cost.

Should we try and be exhaustive in listing all possible arguments?
Should we also list arguments against school uniforms, or should we
merely deconstruct the perceived benefits? In any case, we should
try and keep "arguments" in the subject line when listing further
arguments; when going into one specific argument, let's ensure that
something like "agruments - cost" is in the subject line.

We could also list pages that discuss arguments. Many arguments have
been discussed in detail in articles like:
http://www.optionality.net/mag/oct98a.html

One more recent point to take into consideration is the huge and
increasing cost associated with administrating the uniform policy at
school, dealing with appeals and courtcases, and settling disputes.
There must be a huge amount of time spent by principals, school
administrators and members of commissions that deal with such
disputes. That cost is typically buried in general expenses of
schools and departments. It would be good to focus on this, and from
what I've heard, Dr Brunsma is doing some research into this very
matter.

One site that lists some litigation around school uniforms is:
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/UniformLinksLitigation.html
It would be interesting to add some more recent cases and calculate
the true cost of uniforms. The ACLU alone has been involved in quite
a few cases, they could be helpful with this issue.

Take care,

MCS

--- In SchoolUniformsDebate@yahoogroups.com, morecommonsense wrote:
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> By posting and discussing things here, we can respond to the
> arguments as they come up, and until now, I haven't seen arguments
> in favor of school uniforms that make much sense.




Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:08 am

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Here is an example of the religious and moral exemption request that another parent is submitting. It shows that religious beiefs can be for everyone who ...
Vickie M. W. Crager
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It should have "I do NOT need you to believe as I do in order to hold my beliefs. The only thing that is required is that you respect the founding principle...
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Just a few comments. Firstly, it well argumented and articulated. However, it couldn't harm having less focus on the Texas code and instead making more...
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The purpose behind the Texas code is to let them know that we can get it before a TEA judge so that the people can do it themselves without going to state or...
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Yes, I can see that! It would be great if there would be some good precedents that made it easy for anyone in Texas to solve the problem by simply appealing to...
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http://www.tea.state.tx.us/commissioner/2001/008901.DOC http://www.tea.state.tx.us/commissioner/2001/040101.DOC We do have precedence for opt-outs for uniforms...
Vickie M. W. Crager
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... Good idea! I think sites like the one at http://www.geocities.com/school_uniforms should offer as much background as possible, including research, ...
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As said, I'm keen to discuss any arguments here. Here are some of the perceived benefits mentioned by principals: - the school's image in the community -...
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Firstly, by putting the comment "lame excuses" in the subject line, you indicate that you are under the false impression that one needed excuses for not...
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Hi Bryan, Well written position document, great that you did post it here! Do you have more info on the situation at Polk City? Is this a long- running battle?...
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... you indicate that you are under the false impression that one needed excuses for not wearing uniforms. In the debate about school uniforms, as in any...
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Did you read my reply to this message? It might be long, but I promise you it is worth the read! Bryan (re-post below ...) My Written Objection to the Polk...
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Great message, Bryan, and very good that you did take the time and effort to work your view out in such detail. There's a strong argument contained in what you...
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Thank you, and thank you Sam also. I have been trying to get the ACLU to represent me, but they are as hard to reach personally as you Congressman. I plan to...
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Yes, good idea to get support from the ACLU. I'm sure that the ACLU will be more receptive if you use some of the comments I made. In particular, you may want...
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