The Pagan Roundtable  presents

BELTANE

May 1st, 2005

at

Bloomer State park
375 John R. Road, Rochester Hills, MI 48309

$5.00 park entrance fee per vehicle and $5.00 donation per person

Ritual Space is at the Stone Pavilion (rain or shine)

Ritual starts at 3:00pm (no PST)

Festive dress encourged - sorry no skyclad

potluck-please bring a side dish to pass
also pack green (cups, plates & utensils)

Turkey and Ham will be provided

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From: "Thorin the Skald"

... The Siesling Murders (*Sensitive Reader Alert).

Gee... and he's incarcerated 3 miles from my home.
:-(

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Thorin emailed me, so I thought I'd check this list out. My name is
Dana (SCA: Lady Angelique Semon d'Lyon). I'm what one would call an
eclectic solitary as I follow my own spiritual path.  I am an Usui /
Karuna / Kundalini Reiki Master - Teacher; professional tarot reader /
palmist & give angel and faerie readings (Doreen Virtue method). I also
give Raindrop Technique essential oil treatments and
conduct 'Empowering Your Sacred Self' and 'Connecting With Your Angels'
workshops. 
I'm married with 4 children and live between Grand Rapids and Grand
Haven.
Hmmm....I guess that's it for now! Nice to meet everyone!

~Dana

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Thorin emailed me, so I thought I'd check this list out. My name is
Dana (SCA: Lady Angelique Semon d'Lyon). I'm what one would call an
eclectic solitary as I follow my own spiritual path.  I am an Usui /
Karuna / Kundalini Reiki Master - Teacher; professional tarot reader /
palmist & give angel and faerie readings (Doreen Virtue method). I also
give Raindrop Technique essential oil treatments and
conduct 'Empowering Your Sacred Self' and 'Connecting With Your Angels'
workshops.
I'm married with 4 children and live between Grand Rapids and Grand
Haven.
Hmmm....I guess that's it for now! Nice to meet everyone!

~Dana

Peace and blessings!

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Glad to see a few new faces hereabouts.  Hope everyone is getting out
their heavy coats again for the weekend!!  LOL  What a joke, eh??  And
here I was planning on going out back at my parent's farm to find a
pole to use for our May Pole on the 30th.  Ah well....I will just have
to get out my Carhartt.  lolol  Hope everyone has a good weekend.

Thorin

thorinskald@... recommends this article from The Christian Science Monitor

Good article about the new Pope.

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Headline:  Benedict XVI will test religion's 'red-blue' divide
Byline:  Peter Ford and Sophie Arie
Date: 04/21/2005

(ROME)Moving rapidly to assuage fears that he would turn the Roman Catholic
Church inward, Joseph Ratzinger pledged in his first sermon as Pope
Benedict XVI Wednesday to reach out to believers of all faiths and
none, promising to "continue ... sincere dialogue with them.'"

His "primary task" would be to "reconstitute the full and visible unity
of all Christ's followers," he said in Latin at a Mass in the Vatican's
Sistine Chapel. "Good sentiments" are not enough, he added. "Concrete
acts that enter souls and move consciences are needed."

Observers inside and outside the church wonder how the man who enforced
orthodox doctrine for 24 years will do this. He has balked at the
prospect of Muslim-majority Turkey joining the European Union, and
wrote that other Christian churches "suffer from defects."

Supporters welcome a global figure unwilling to water down his faith.
Others see his election as widening the global religious "red-blue"
divide between conservative moral absolutists and liberals of all
faiths who say religion must be more inclusive.

In his last homily as a cardinal, Pope Benedict XVI said that "We are
moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize
anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego
and one's own desires."

Benedict has dismissed anyone who tried to find "feminist" meanings in
the Bible, and last year told American bishops it was appropriate to
deny Communion to those who support abortion and euthanasia.

"He'll continue the dialogue" with other Christian churches and other
faiths, says Father Jerome Murphy O'Connor, a biblical scholar in
Jerusalem who once studied under Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. "But he
won't draw any consequences from it. His door will always be open, but
don't expect to get what you want."

The new pope's choice of the name Benedict, harking back to the saint
who helped Christianize Europe in the sixth century, suggests that he
sees his role as reinforcing the faith on an increasingly secular
continent, the hearth of Christianity where the ashes appear to be
cooling.

Against the dominantly secular and relativist mood in Europe, Benedict
seems likely to present a firm Catholic conviction, rooted in a starkly
black-and-white view of the world.

That view is likely to clash with mainstream European thinking over
many issues widely regarded here as human rights: birth control, gay
unions, women's rights, euthanasia, and stem cell research, all areas
where European governments tend more and more to ignore Catholic
teaching.

In a speech earlier this month in St. Benedict's hometown of Subiaco,
in Italy, then Cardinal Ratzinger bemoaned a Europe that he said
"constitutes the most radical contradiction not only of Christianity,
but also of religious and moral traditions of all humanity."

"He is clearly a person who believes in absolute truth and the clarity
of truth - and the possession of truth by the Roman Catholic Church"
says Chester Gillis, chair of the theology department at Georgetown
University in Washington. "He is very unbending about that."

Some analysts wonder whether a man like that is best placed to relate
easily with people of other faiths, or with the non-believers he would
like to convert - especially since by his own admission he lacks the
charisma of his predecessor, John Paul II.

Others suggest he may not try, and will concentrate instead on shoring
up the faith of those within the church.

"He is very negative about the world of modern culture, and I share his
criticisms," says Leo Laeyendecker, a Catholic professor of sociology
at Leiden University in Holland. "But either you try to understand and
change its direction, or you turn inward so as not to meet these
cultural directions. I think that he is inclined to take the second
attitude."

Ernst-Ludwig Erlich, a pioneer of Jewish-Catholic relations who has
often visited the Vatican, shares that view. "I don't think he can"
build bridges to the secular world, he argues. "He will try to keep his
Catholics within a certain space, but I don't know how big that space
will be."

Secular activists in Europe are worried. "Conservatives and hard-liners
in the church will have been given a boost" by Cardinal Ratzinger's
election as pope, says Graham Watson, leader of the Liberal group in
the European Parliament. "We can expect them to be more militant now.
It's going to be even more important to build a secular force to drive
that agenda forward."

Muslim view

Equally worried are Muslims, who had been encouraged by John Paul II's
outreach to Islam, symbolized by the kiss he planted on a copy of the
Koran during a visit to a mosque in Damascus in 2001.

"Our concern is that [Benedict XVI] has a more narrow approach to the
religious content of Western societies, that he wants to return to the
centrality of Christianity in Europe," says Tariq Ramadan, a
controversial Muslim theologian who has been active in interfaith
dialogue.

Last August, Cardinal Ratzinger told the French daily Le Figaro that he
opposed Turkey's European Union bid because "Europe is a cultural
continent, not a geographical one. The roots that have formed it ...
are those of Christianity."

"For our understanding of our past and our future we must recognize
that all the monotheistic faiths - Christianity, Judaism and Islam -
are part of Europe's roots," Mr. Ramadan argues.

The new pope "has got to decide if religiosity in Europe is good or
bad," says Fouad Nahdi, editor of "Q," a Muslim magazine in London. "If
he is not prepared to ... be inclusive of other religions he'll be
alienating one of the strongest moral religious forces in Europe."

The views the new pope has expressed in the past, however, suggest that
he is not willing to deal with members of other faiths as equals. "Any
notion that we are on a level playing field, and dialogue with other
religions under the assumption that they have the same access to truth,
would not be something he would be happy with," says Paul Lakeland, a
professor of Catholic studies at Connecticut's Fairfield University.

Benedict XVI "has very clear views, that salvation comes only through
Jesus Christ, and it makes it difficult to have a dialogue of equals if
you do not regard everyone as equal before God," adds Tissa Balasuriya,
a progressive Sri Lankan theologian whose run-in with Cardinal
Ratzinger in 1997 led to his temporary excommunication.

"He will be compelled to think of this issue," he adds. "Being so
strong in condemning others will not go far in the modern world."

Benedict XVI, who is seen as a brilliant theologian, "is capable of
changing his mind," says Prof. Duffy. "He is not a bully or a thug.
People have found him fair."

To convince members of other faiths of his sincerity, however, "he
would have to re-center himself somewhat away from an exclusively
Christian perspective," says Ramadan.

Other Muslims find things in common with the new pope. "He speaks in
favor of the moral stance of Islam on a variety of issues, and he sees
that as a strength, just as he sees a strong moral stand as a strength
in Christianity," says Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on
American-Islamic Relations, in Washington.

Protestant concern

At bottom, however, Benedict appears to hew to the traditional church
view that "the position of Catholicism is one of superiority, rooted in
the fundamental revelations," says Fr. Murphy O'Connor.

That is a source of concern for other Christian churches, such as
Protestant groups. "My prayer is that God will help him see more
clearly and hear clearly the needs of the whole world in this new
setting," says the Rev. Bob Edgar, General Secretary of the US National
Council of Churches. "He is no longer just the enforcer. He is now the
pastor of all of those persons around the world."

In the end, says Murphy O'Connor, it may be the new pope's broad
intellectual scope that will lead him to confound his critics. "It's a
sense of history, how things have actually happened, that tempers
absolutism," he says. "I hope that will happen with him."

* Andreas Tzortzis in Berlin, G. Jeffrey MacDonald in Newburyport,
Mass., and Josh Burek in Boston contributed to this report.





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Our Beltane gathering will be held on the 30th of this month.  It will
be a WEATHER pending event, as we will be out back at my parent's
farm.  If anyone needs directions, feel free to call me at (231) 924-
5447 or send me an email.  Hope everyone is doing well.  I see we have
at least one new person here.  Feel free to introduce yourselves.
Bright Blessings all.

Thorin the Skald
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Dear Sanctuary of the Stones:

Thorin the Skald (thorinskald@...) thought you would be interested in this
item from PennLive.com.

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Thorin the Skald says:
Article about an Episcopal priest who who changes to Druid Priest.

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This summer, from July 14-17, Mothergrove Sancutary will be hosting a
gathering for pagans & heathens.  You can find more info by emailing:
mothergrovesanctuary@...  There will be many workshops, rituals,
and vendors....it should be a lot of fun.

Thorin

Hey all....I plan on holding a gathering for Beltane on Sat., April
the 30th around 6:30'ish.  More details will be forthcoming.

Thorin

I would be interested in participating in a chat room here, for fun,
yet somewhat topic oriented as well.  Any takers??  10pm evenings work
great for me, how about anyone else?  It would be cool to get together
maybe once or twice a week to touch base about events and different
ideas.

Finally getting this site up and running.... cool.  I'm looking
forward to Beltane and Mothergrove and hope to see lots of new faces
and places this year!!!  It would be cool to get the chat room started
here and maybe some local workshops etc. like our book studies we were
getting into.  Hoping for a very diverse, eclectic and free-spirited
group here.... (in west Michigan???  Yikes!!)  Hehehe.... there are
more of us than you think.... ;) ;) ;)

Yes Thorin i'm interested. I plan on going tonight and getting stuff
to make my kids some cloaks. I don't know about the tunics. I have
never made one befor, so I will have to look around and see what I
will need. Let me get back to you so I can let you know what I have
and a price. Then you will know if you want one from me.






--- In Sanctuary_of_the_Stones@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Skald
<thorinskald@y...> wrote:
> Very cool, Laoghaire!!  And yes, making costumes is not an easy
thing.....my ex made me tunics, a cloak and breeches for SCA events
back when we were married.....and I remember all the long hours she
spent at the sewing machine.  I am on the hunt for somebody to make
some tunics for my 2 sons.....would you be interested??  Nothing
fancy, mind you....but they out-grew theirs a year ago.  Cloaks would
be good too....depending on the cost.  For those who are not familar
(SP) with the SCA, it's a re-enactment group based on life as it may
have been during the Middle Ages.....it's sorta like the "Civil War"
folks, just a bit farther back in time.  My sons both enjoy
going.....they are 6 & 9......and it's a good experiance for them.
Other than doing that sorta thing, I enjoy reading Sci/Fi & Fantasy
novels....both adult and kids books, playing my harp(not real good at
it), taking walks out in my parents woods(they own 80 acres) and
spending time with my sons.  We will be holding some of
>  our Summer gatherings at my parent's farm....which is 1/2 way
between Newaygo & Fremont.  As soon as I have the date for Beltane
this year, I will put it here.  I plan on doing a May Pole for part
of the Ritual.  Well....that's about all for now.
>
> Thorin
>
> laoghaire_frasher <azna_mother@y...> wrote:
>
> Well what does everyone want to talk about?
> A little about me. I love to make period costumes. Last halloween
alot
> of people found out that I do this and by the time halloween rolled
> around I had made ten costumes in less then two weeks, I know that
> dosen't sound like alot but it is.On the plus side of that I did
make
> alot of money in a short time.
> I also like photography. I always have my camra with me. My 12 year
> old has started wanting to take pics herself. So I went out and got
her
> a nice little camra and now you can't stop her. OK now someone
ealtes
> turn. What do others her like to do.
>
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Finally getting this site up and running.... cool.  I'm looking
forward to Beltane and Mothergrove and hope to see lots of new faces
and places this year!!!  It would be cool to get the chat room started
here and maybe some local workshops etc. like our book studies we were
getting into.  Hoping for a very diverse, eclectic and free-spirited
group here.... (in west Michigan???  Yikes!!)  Hehehe.... there are
more of us than you think.... ;) ;) ;)

From: "thorinskald"

> I see there are several new members, but
> you have not yet introduced yourselves.
>  Hope to hear from you both soon.

Not much to tell. Male, 49, divorced, no
kids (thankfully), plotting an early re-
tirement from a large Great Lakes-area
retailer (guess that narrows THAT down)
so I can move to FL and work for myself
at the flea markets and be a beach bum
all week. No chosen path as of yet, but I
lean toward Green Man/druid/Native Amer./
Hawaiian paths and am a bit of a fan of
Tiki "culture", hence the name.
I guess I'm not your "normal" pagan (a
word of warning if you are a more "con-
servative" pagan before you check out
my profile... if you aren't open-minded,
you might not want to check it out).
I have no real interest in spells, per
se, but do have an interest in rituals.
That's about all for now, I guess.

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From: "thorinskald"

> I see there are several new members, but
> you have not yet introduced yourselves.
>  Hope to hear from you both soon.

Not much to tell. Male, 49, divorced, no
kids (thankfully), plotting an early re-
tirement from a large Great Lakes-area
retailer (guess that narrows THAT down)
so I can move to FL and work for myself
at the flea markets and be a beach bum
all week. No chosen path as of yet, but I
lean toward Green Man/druid/Native Amer./
Hawaiian paths and am a bit of a fan of
Tiki "culture", hence the name.
I guess I'm not your "normal" pagan (a
word of warning if you are a more "con-
servative" pagan before you check out
my profile... if you aren't open-minded,
you might not want to check it out).
I have no real interest in spells, per
se, but do have an interest in rituals.
That's about all for now, I guess.

Looking for a "booty call"? Try http://justplaywithme.com, a NEW hook-up site on
the 'net! (Run by friends of mine.)

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways,
champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up,
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Well what does everyone want to talk about?
A little about me. I love to make period costumes. Last halloween alot
of people found out that I do this and by the time halloween rolled
around I had made ten costumes in less then two weeks, I know that
dosen't sound like alot but it is.On the plus side of that I did make
alot of money in a short time.
I also like photography. I always have my camra with me. My 12 year
old has started wanting to take pics herself. So I went out and got her
a nice little camra and now you can't stop her. OK now someone ealtes
turn. What do others her like to do.

Well what does everyone want to talk about?
A little about me. I love to make period costumes. Last halloween alot
of people found out that I do this and by the time halloween rolled
around I had made ten costumes in less then two weeks, I know that
dosen't sound like alot but it is.On the plus side of that I did make
alot of money in a short time.
  I also like photography. I always have my camra with me. My 12 year
old has started wanting to take pics herself. So I went out and got her
a nice little camra and now you can't stop her. OK now someone ealtes
turn. What do others her like to do.

I see there are several new members, but you have not yet introduced
yourselves.  Hope to hear from you both soon.

Thorin

We are a diverse group of heathens and pagans in the greater Newaygo
Co. area that come togather for Spiritual Gatherings/Rituals on the
major pagan Holy Days/Sabbats.  Right now, we hold our gatherings at
people's homes....don't have a building yet.  Anyways, all are
welcome...kids and teens too....with mom or dad.  Bright Blessings all.

Thorin the Skald