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From: "Sharaf, Nevine (Egypt)" <Nevine.Sharaf@...>
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 11:25:07 AM
Subject: Mosaic International Summit 2010: Call for applications

Dear All,

Below please find information about the Mosaic International Summit 2010.

Mosaic works towards a more integrated and thriving society where all individuals, regardless of background, are supported in realizing their potential. Mosaic is based in the UK and was founded by HRH The Prince of Wales in 2007.

The Mosaic International Summit 2010 will offer young Muslims an exciting leadership development opportunity. The Summit aims for delegates:

1) to develop leadership ability and an aspiration to be an agent of change

2) to develop understanding of key global issues and inspire positive thinking to address them

The Summit has been developed from the first international gathering of Muslim young leaders - the very successful Mosaic International Summer School 2009.

Applications for Mosaic International Summit 2010 are now open until 27 November 09. For full details about criteria and how interested applicants can apply, please see full details below , and visit the website: www.mosaicnetwork.co.uk/international/international_summit

Regards,

Nevine Sharaf | Education Projects Officer | Education and Employability

British Council, 192 El Nil Street , Agouza, Cairo , Egypt

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-----Original Message-----
From: Pakinam.Youssri

Sent: 23 November 2009 15:14
To: Sharaf, Nevine ( Egypt )
Subject: Mosaic International Summit 2010: Call for applications

Nevine,

Can I ask you kindly to circulate the below message to the chevening contacts lease.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----

From: Caroline Alcock (Protect)

Sent: 22 November 2009 11:35

To: Pakinam Youssri (Protect); Mohamed Gaballa (Protect); Ghada Habashy (Protect); Rebecca Stephens * (Restricted); Rasha Mehyar (Protect); Hanaa Ramzy (Protect)

Cc: Siobhan Neveling (Protect)

Subject: FW: Mosaic International Summit 2010: Call for applications

Importance: High

All,

The Mosaic Summer School is a really good opportunity for talented young Egyptians. The ones who went last year were brilliant - and they really enjoyed it. Anyone got any ideas on how to promote the scheme, given the very short deadline? The website, obviously. Internally to all staff? Through AGTBE? BEBA?

Caroline

-----Original Message-----

From: Alison Taylor

Sent: 20 November 2009 19:09

To: Caroline Alcock * (Restricted);

Subject: Mosaic International Summit 2010: Call for applications

Importance: High

Dear all

Following David's email below, I write with my contact details in case you have any questions regarding the Mosaic International Summit for which we are currently recruiting 25 - 35 year old Muslims with leadership talent and a desire to bring positive change to their communities.

Applications are open for a further week, closing 1700 hrs GMT on Friday 27 November. I would be very grateful for any assistance you can provide in terms of promoting the Summit among your networks. It's a brilliant opportunity, not only for the 2 week course in the UK but also to join an ongoing international network committed to responsible leadership.

For all details, please visit our website: www.mosaicnetwork.co.uk/international/international_summit or do feel free to contact me on Monday morning.

It would be great if you are able to join us on a panel when we conduct in country interviews in mid January 2010. I will soon be in touch with further information - please do let me know if you would be willing to support in this way.

Many thanks and best wishes

Alison

Alison Taylor, Development Manager, Mosaic International

Tel: +44 (0)20 7566 6658|www.mosaicnetwork.co.uk |

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-----Original Message-----

From: David Sharp

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:18 PM

To: Caroline Alcock (Conf);

Subject: Prince of Wales Mosaic Project - 2010 Applications

Dear All,

With many thanks to all those involved in the interview process this year, for what turned out to be a hugely successful first Summer School. Mosaic have now launched their website link to accept applications for next year School. There is only going to be a months window for getting the applications in, with a view for interviews to start sometime in January. I would be grateful once again for your help in getting out word on the School and application process through your networks/local press or publications please. For those new to the project, there is some more background below and link to Mosaic's website.

The project aims to build an international network of young aspiring Muslims (similar to the Chevening alumni), capable of taking on leadership roles in their chosen fields, and who can use their influence and connections within the network, and their common understanding of Islam to address key issues within their countries, such as the spread of extremism. Around a hundred will be selected between ages 20-35 from Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Malaysia, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE for a 2 week summer school, based in the UK in July 2010. The School will tackle a number of issues and subjects such as Personal Leadership, Corporate responsibility, Islamic Finance and Globalisation. At the end of the project term of 2 years it is envisaged there will be a sustainable alumni of around 180 (from various countries - I'd take this out), who can use there their links within the alumni and also form a basis from which similar more localised projects could be based in their own countries at a later stage.

The crucial part of the project will be to ensure the right people are selected, with moderate views, the right skills and representing a broad range of backgrounds and experience. Mosaic will be conducting a recruitment in your regions (advert attached) using local partners and contacts. I would be also grateful if Posts would be able to pass the advert to any potential candidates you feel might benefit and would be a good fit for the project. Selection will be conducted in January and Mosaic will send out someone from their offices to work with their partners. It would also be extremely helpful if we could provide someone to sit in on the selection panels, to bring some Embassy local knowledge.

For all further information and links to application to website - http://www.mosaicnetwork.co.uk/international/international_summit/

For Saudi Aradia and Iraq , there are some difficulties as Mosaic does not local networks there. Could I ask whether Post would be willing to act in a more proactive role in these cases and ensure the course is advertised or shown to potential candidates?

Regards

David

David Sharp

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#20403

From: "gabi49" <gabi49@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: el minia

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Dear Haytham,

I remember someone told me before that "the east was thought of as a place of
birth and growth, and the west was considered the place of death" is not that
accurate and doesn't have a strong refrence, but that's what we knew at school
so that's why it is widely believed.

Cities like memphis (meet raheena now), ehnasia (was big city near now Beni
sueif and was burried in the 13th century earthquake), el-bahnasa,
ashmounin...etc. all exists on the western side of the Nile, so how could be
this the place of death ! Although burial places for such cities COULD exist in
the hills to the west of them !

I read a book that had a theory about the location of Luxor, it was talking
about how this location is strategic and central for the trading routes (2
routes to red sea, close to Nubia & far a bit from northern invasions) and not
talking about east and west.

In my personal opinion, cities could be built near the green areas. From Giza to
Sohaj the west is the green-rich side, with some exceptions like
Ansana/Antinopolis on the eastern side of Mallawi and close to the tombs you
visited.

What do you think ?

Gabi





--- In SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com, haythem sabry <h_m_sabry@...> wrote:
>
> Dears,
>
> I was one of the group who joined Allam in this wonderful trip to El-Menya,
really it was a nice trip and great times we spent, thank you Allam for the
organization and looking forward for your next trip to Dakhla, Kharga and Luxor.
For myself i visited Luxor before 3 times and Kharja and Dakhla oasis twice each
time with different perspective, i think this time we'll have a different route,
different sites to see and different experiences to add. I do agree with what
you said that there are a lot of hidden history treasures in our country can be
seen by taking the paths least taken.
>
> While we were in Menya i had a question to the guide leaded us throughout the
two days regarding the tombs we visited in Menya (as most of the Mazarat were
tombs from different Egyptian dynasties and mostly from the New Kingdom), most
of the tombs we visited were in the east bank of the Nile, while for my
knowledge, according to the ancient Egyptian religion, the east was thought of
as a place of birth and growth, and the west was considered the place of death
and that’s why old Egyptians usually bury their dead bodies (mummies) on the
west bank (eg. Pyramids in Cairo and Valley of the Kings in Luxor) but in Menya
it was different.
>
> The guide's explanation was that there were no hills in this area in the west
bank to dig their tombs so that’s why they dig it in the east, this
explanation didn't convince me but I don't have any others.
>
>  Is there any other explanation?
>
> Thanks and have a good day
>
> Haytham
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: allamahmed <allamahmed@...>
> To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 3:59:32 AM
> Subject: [SaharaSafaris] el minia
>
>
> Dear Safarists, as promised, here is our trip log documenting our exploration
in minia and around it
>
> Some Quick Numbers:
>
> 11 adults and 2 children were the members of this adventure
>
> Car 1: Essam Hassan
> his 2 beautiful daughters
> his wife Eva & her sister
>
> Car 2: Amir El Kenawy
> Nihal Mansour
> Gihan el Nemr
>
> Car 3: Motaza Ali
> Ahmed Allam
> Haytham Sabry
>
> Car 4: Essam Madmoud
> Omar Essam Madmoud
>
> a total of approx. 800 KMs was done in this trip
>
> the temperature was ranging from 29-31 during the day and 9-11 during the
night
>
> the Average Gas consumption was 150 L.E per car = approx. 80 Litre
>
> we left Cairo 10 pm Thursday and we were back 10 pm Saturday = exactly 48
hours
>
> The Average Cost of the trip including hotel b&b + Gas Share Cost + guide tips
+ tickets etc... was almost 280 L.E per person
>
> check more details about Minia in the article i added:
http://www.saharasafaris.org/al-minia
>
> Minia trip
> ----------
>
> Thursday 5 November 2009
>
> 10:00 pm: Leave remaya square in moataz's car, already amir's car is 15
minutes ahead on the road, and essam hassan's car already reached el Minia
before dark.
> 10:30 to 11:00 Stop at Total Gas station
> 12:00 meet amir car at sara rest house after kamin bani mazar
> 12:30 make left turn at samalut cuz the police station told us that "el kobri
wege3" or in other words the bridge ahead is destroyed so we had to switch to
the eastern side of the nile :) (we are now 200 km from cairo)
> 1:00 am: reach minia and the cross train mazla2an to cornaiche
> 1:15 arrive "Siva Nefertiti Coralia" hotel and take rooms 205 to 208 then
unpack our stuff
> 1:45 we all go down for a walk on the nile and sit by the edge
> 2:30 group split moataz, gihan and haytham went to kfc, nihal to the hotel,
and amir & me went exploring taha hussein st. and we found the only Ahwa and
supermarket open at his time :)
> 3:30 back to the hotel and bed preps
>
> Friday 6 november 2009
> 6:45 wake up calls
> 7:30 breakfast and Essam Mahmoud arrives in his frontera
> 8:30 gather in the lobby waiting to move
> 9:00 gas station amir 46 L.E  essam hassan 40 L.E  moataz 41 L.E
> 10:00 pick ahmed mostafa our guide for today from mallawi (40 km south minia)
then pick khaled his colleague, continue south for another 20 kms
> 10:30 take the ferry (me3addeya) to the eastern bank till 10:45
> 11:00 Arrive to Tall el Amarna , head for the Northen cemeteries (ba-na7si,
Meri-ra and Ahmosi) till 12:30 then drive to Stella (4 statues inside a big
walled stone portrait marking the borders of akhet-aton, the capital of
akhenaton, this was one of 14 others  scattered all around Minia) then drive to
royal cemetery 7 kms inside the mountain and down we go 1:00 to 1:30
> Then Pass by 2 pillars which are the only remnants of the royal palace
> 2:20 southern tombs (we only visit AY's tomb)  till 2:35 then road back to the
ferry
> 3:00 wait for me3adeya and pass 3:20
> Hurry hurry to tuna el gabal passing by ashmounin because we had to be there
before 4 pm otherwise they would refuse to let us into the area so luckily
arrive 3:59 sharp before closure
> Start our tour by petosiris tomb then isadora funerary house containing her
mummy, then down into the catacombs where thousands of ibis and baboun mummies
were kept in jars, they represent te7out, god of this area, till 5 pm then go
see the border plaque (stella) and amir's car has a slight gharza till 5:30
> 5:45 reach ashmounin road then go deep for 2 km till we reached the monumental
open museum garden to be greeted by 2 huge baboon statues and many other pieces
confiscated from monuments smugglers all diplayed in this open garden, then road
to basilica we find it blocked due to underground water drainage operations, so
drop ahmed and khaled our active guides at ashmounin near their houses 6:30 and
head back to Minia
> 7:30 taha Hussein st. go to bondoka grill house and restaurant, eat till we r
totally full
> 9:00 atoun hotel's tea garden have shisha and drinks (moataz nihal amir essam
allam) and all others go to sleep
> 11:30 some of the group go to the hotel to sleep and others go shopping (allam
gihan amir essam) then go to souk at palace square (downtown) then cross the
bridge to new Minia and over the mountain to see the beautiful view of Minia and
the nile from up there
> 1:30 drop essam and gihan at the hotel and go ahwa me and amir
> 3:00 back to the hotel hotel try to sleep till 4:30
>
> Saturday 7 november
> 8:40 breakfast and talk then I go meet the manager to conclude our hotel bill,
and then have a quick dip in the swimming pool
> 10:30 ahmed mostafa our guide comes and waits down at the reception till we
all  gather
> 11:00 gather in front of hotel to move and many delays as search for gas and
tawahan around the city a bit
> 11:50 finally leave Minia to east by the bridge then south towards Benni
Hassan
> 12:10 zawyet el soltan (amwat) +remenants of a pyramid + cemetery till 12:45
> 1:00 establ antar (old mines and temple) to 1:30
> Then bani hassan 1:45
> 2:00 start bani hassan site by kheti tomb, 2:20 bakhet tomb , 2:40 khenum
7otob tomb, 3:00 amenme7at tomb, they are all famous by the wall drawings
showing all aspects of daily life for pharaoes specially ALL the wrestling
moves, centuries later the roman wrestling took all these moves to create this
sport, which is a very rare and very nice documentation in these tombs and all
the vivid colors are still preserved
> then down to the rest house to freshen up
> 3:20 leave to minia and essam Hassan splits here to take the road to Cairo
early
> 4:10 minia bridge pass over it to drop ahmed in minia and tawahan inside the
town a bit
> 4:30 back to the eastern side, take the road north to cairo and deir el adra
located 20 kms north-east of Minia
> 5:30 arrive to deir el adra at gabal el teir, we were rewarded with a GREAT
sunset from the top of the mountain in front of the ancient church there
> 5:45 take the dusty road back till we get out to the main road 5:55
> 7:00 arrive at kamin beni suef and head into the town itself
> 7:15 arrive into new beni suef town on the eastern side of the nile, at this
point we got split by the crowded streets and we got lost &#61514;
> Gas station 7:25 we meet all again amir 79 LE moataz 74 LE, discuss our route
back to Cairo and exchange drivers
> 7:45 eat koshari to 8:15 then hit the road to east again, drive around till we
find the start of koraymat new road to Cairo
> 8:45 stop at koraymat toll station and emergency bathroom stop for the girls
> 9:00 road to Cairo and arrive to tebbin-helwan and the very far end of
Autostrade road
> 10:10 exchange passengers and bye
>
> Well i hope you enjoyed our story, i know it is a bit close to a police report
with all these exact timings and so, but this log was documented step by step
and on time during our tours, again hope you enjoy it,
>
> After all the fun and adventure we had, i am thinking seriously of another
exploration trip (Maybe during Eid el Adha's vacation) including more forgotten
areas and paths less taken.
> I am proud to say i've been around a lot of our country's monuments, but still
there are areas and places rarely visited, either because they are hard to
reach, or not listed in the usual tour guides' trips.
>
> My thoughts wandered towards AL KHARGA oasis, DANDARA & ABIDUS temples between
Sohag and Qena, and if we have more time we could also see the RAMSIUM and CITY
of HABU, i am ashamed to say i have been to Luxor more than 8 times and EACH
time i don't get to see those 2 places either due to lack of time or because the
tour guides were always in a hurry and insisted these locations are an hour OFF
the road and not worth the visit (totally untrue according to what i've heard)
>
> i am waiting for enthusiastic Safarists who might be interested in this trip,
of course you have to be free during the Eid vacation, and you have to be Crazy
AND Restless to join this trip, if not available during the Eid at least tell me
for later when we decide to go for it, so any volunteers so far? :D
>
> BEST WISHES to our national Football Team in Sudan, i witnessed Egypt in Italy
90, 20 years ago, and i really hope to witness it again :)
>
> Dr. Ahmed Allam
> Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
> +2 010 520 9179
>
> Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...
>

#20402

From: Mohamed El Khodary <mohkhodary@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:40 am
Subject: Re: Where can i find these shackles [2 Attachments]

mohkhodary

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Dear Hany

How are you

- Print the photo you attached

- Go to El-SABTAYA

- Ask any one who can make it

- You will get more than one

Best Regard Mohamed El Khodary

From: Hany el Zorkany <hannoush_14@...>
To: Sahara Safaris <SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 11:13:49 AM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Where can i find these shackles [2 Attachments]

Dear all,

Does anyone know where i can find shackles similar to the ones in the photos attached more or less. They should bear heavy load and high tension. I may search in el wekala, rewe3y, etc.. But if anyone knows for exact where, that would save time and effort.

Thank you

Hany.
http://www.hanyphot ography.com

#20401

From: Tarek Aboul-Seoud <tarek572@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:11 am
Subject: Re: Where can i find these shackles [2 Attachments]

tarek572

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Dear Harny

According to my experience try first at Al-Reda and Al-Araby in Midan El-Gamee, Heliopolis. their prices are so close to prices in reweey and wekala with higher quality and wider varities.

Thanks and best regards
Tarek Aboul-Seoud

Dear all,

Thank you

Hany.
http://www.hanyphot ography.com

#20400

From: hazem fouad <bazooka_84@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:48 pm
Subject: How can i join an NGO

abuel_zeek

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Desert_Horned_Viper_2.JPG

Dear Safaris,

Hope that all of you are in a good health.

I have received the bellow request from a friend

Quote,

Hi, I have just finished the project of building town houses in Marassi (north coast), and I am looking forward to join an international NGO, My major is in Architecture engineering .

Mahmoud ( mah.tahaa@...) (0101058282)

Regards

Hazem El Masry

We are only going to live once, so get the best out of it.

Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:19:04 +0000
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Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Posted by: "laloosa75" angieelguindi@... angieelguindi

Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:25 am (PST)

Hi Guys please check this site below it has some good details on snakes in Egypt.

Angie

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/snakesofegypt.htm

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>
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>
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>
> Karim
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Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Posted by: "haythem sabry" h_m_sabry@... h_m_sabry

Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:26 am (PST)

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The most common Horned Viper live in Egyptian deserts in a nutshell with pics:

Scientific name: Cerastes
Common Name: Sahara Horned Viper
Arabic Common Name: Al-Touraisha "طريشة"
Homeland: desert
Countries: Middle East & North Africa
Length: 30-60 cm
Color: yellow, brown and gray with degrees

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From: youmna khalil <d_of_the_nile@yahoo.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 10:30:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Dear all,

I saw a small snake once next an old construction site? any idea what types live in urban areas?

In addition, can someone send pictures of the species in Egypt?

thanks

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To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 5:53:48 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Hi,
It would be great if some group members could share pictures of the different snakes along with their names (species).
Thanks
Karim
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Posted by: "angie guindi" angieelguindi@... laloosa75

Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:25 am (PST)

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/snakesofegypt.htm

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Re: Sinai accommodation in Eid..
Posted by: "Amira ElDahman" amira_eldahman@yahoo.com amira_eldahman
Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:41 am (PST)

Dear Khaled,
Â
IÂ recommend Rock Sea camp in Nowiba it is a very good camp with huts right on the beach i don't know if you will find places during Eid vacation but call them and see.
Â
contacts:
Â
Phone number: 0108478587
Website: http://www.rocksea. net/
Â
regards

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com>
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..
To: "SaharaSafaris" <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:43 AM

Â

Hi,

I'm planning to go to Sinai during Eid, and I'm interested to know places forÂ accommodationÂ in:

- Nabq
- Dahab
- Nuwebei
- Taba

Preferably the place would be a lodge with huts or huts-like and not a hotel, and should be right on the beach.

Names of such places and contact numbers or websites are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Khaled

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1b.
Re: Sinai accommodation in Eid..
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Khaled and Amira,

We don't have Nuweiba, Naba, or Taba yet, but here is Dahab:
http://saharasafari s.org/dahab

If you guys have something to update, please go ahead and edit the Dahab article directly to your delight. :) Let me know if you need help with this easy system.

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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From: Amira ElDahman <amira_eldahman@ yahoo.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:22:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..

Dear Khaled,

I recommend Rock Sea camp in Nowiba it is a very good camp with huts right on the beach i don't know if you will find places during Eid vacation but call them and see.

contacts:

Phone number: 0108478587
Website: http://www.rocksea. net/

regards

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com> wrote:

>From: Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com>
>Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..
>To: "SaharaSafaris" <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
>Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:43 AM
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>
>I'm planning to go to Sinai during Eid, and I'm interested to know places for accommodation in:
>
>
>- Nabq
>- Dahab
>- Nuwebei
>- Taba
>
>
>Preferably the place would be a lodge with huts or huts-like and not a hotel, and should be right on the beach.
>
>
>Names of such places and contact numbers or websites are much appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Khaled
>
>

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Re: Sinai accommodation in Eid..
Posted by: "Astrid Quast" astridquast@web.de astridquast
Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 am (PST)

Hello,

there is the Magana Camp about 8km north from Nuweiba, having a wonderful bay and huts right on the water. It has a homepage, showing some pictures: www.almagana. com. Its located right next to the Rock Sea Camp thats indeed very nice also, but actually booked for the Aid (i just talked to Ricarda yesterday). Anyway, Feysal, the owner of the Magana Camp will be happy to host you. His number is 0184190279. Note, as far as i know, a brand new bathroom is just finished ;-)

Have a nice stay in Sinai!

Best regards, Astrid

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- --
> Von: "Khaled Reda" <khaledreda@gmail. com>
> Gesendet: 16.11.09 19:55:43
> An: SaharaSafaris <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
> Betreff: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..

> Hi,
>
> I'm planning to go to Sinai during Eid, and I'm interested to know
> places for accommodation in:
>
> - Nabq
> - Dahab
> - Nuwebei
> - Taba
>
> Preferably the place would be a lodge with huts or huts-like and not
> a hotel, and should be right on the beach.
>
> Names of such places and contact numbers or websites are much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Khaled
>
>

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2a.
First Female Hiking Leader in Egypt - was: Hike: Secret Gardens on W
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:00 am (PST)

Dear Safarists,

Azza was formidable and strict for safety and comfort for the hiking group! :) Let me tell you that we always felt that things are all well-thought 'before' they happened. During the hike, she would stop the Guide (Awda) if she noticed that the trailing hiker are not finding the right trail for their feet or got distrated with something. She would get us on the Camp hot on setting its plan up and making people feel it's new home for the night. She has communicated well with the Bedouin Guide and her selfless behavior has been obvious as well trying to take care of plenty of things of her group to help them know what to do in this distinct "cultural-landscape " (Ø£Ø±Ø¶ Ù…ØªÙ…Ø§ÙŠØ²Ø© Ø§Ù„Ø«Ù‚Ø§Ù�Ø© ÙˆØ§Ù„Ø·Ø¨ÙŠØ¹Ø© Ø¹Ù…Ø§ ØÙˆÙ„Ù‡Ø§ Ø£Ùˆ --Ø¨Ø§Ø®ØªØµØ§Ø±-- "Ø£Ø±Ø¶ Ø¨Ø«Ù‚Ø§Ù�ØªÙ‡Ø§".Ø§Ù‡) which was novel to most of them!!

I believe Azza is the first female Leader to the Mountains Hikes ever! :) And she's an engineering student!!!!! !!!!! :)

Way to go, young lady!

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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From: Amr Turk <amrsfmt@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 10:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12 [5 Attachments]

[Attachment( s) from Amr Turk included below]

Dear All,

I would like to thank Azza for organizing this trip. It was really amazing. I appreciate her effort and leadership.

Here are some pictures that I wanted to share with you.

Looking forward to going on other hikes.

Regards,
Amro Tork

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Azza Hashem <azzouzza310@ hotmail.com>
To: saharasafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 6:04:49 AM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12

Dears,

I will be leading a weekendhiking trip to the Secret Gardens, South Sinai, two weeks from now. This trip is among the activities of the SaharaSafaris Youth Leadership Program led by Mabrouk.

The walk's brief could be found here:
http://www.sheikhsi na.com/english/ content/view/ 90/386/
Plan:

Weâ€™ll leave Cairo Thursday night 12th of November. Weâ€™ll spend the night at the Sheikh Mousa Bedouin Camp. The next morning weâ€™ll start our hike through three gardens owned by Bedouins. Weâ€™ll be back Saturday night.

Price: The cost of the overall trip will be around 350 (+- 25 %) LE for each person (Including beduion guide â€“ camel to carry our stuff â€“ Permissions and office fees - water supplies and food - accommodation in Orchards). This is a cooperative trip and we apply SaharaSafaris policies for leaders and gas sharing as in here:

http://saharasafari s.org/trips- guidelines

First timers are encouragedto join. For reasonable fitness, this is NOTa tough hike.In fact, without Mt Abbas this is quite an easy one if not relaxing.

Note: The Weather will be very cold at night. So be prepared. More on that and everything else during orientation (designed specifically for first-timers) .

Orientation: There will be an orientation for the hike this Monday 9 Nov, at 8 : 00 Pm till 9:30 at Cilantro Maadi, St.9. If you have done hikes before (with Mabrouk) then it is not mandatory to come to the orientation. Orientation is for your safety and max benefit so come with questions on the checklist knowing that we cannot take along those who haven't brought the right things.

Important Notes:
1. Orientation is open for anybody with interest in our hikes even if not coming this time
2. Every hiker has to study the Checklist on: http://saharasafari s.org/safaris- checklist

Reservations: Reservation is personal for you only. If you have friends who are confirming they have to reserve from their mobiles AFTER reading this announcement! This is VERY important please!
SMS me with your 100% confirmation on my cell phone (0105054377) . Make sure it's from your mobile to be able to reach you later. On SMS, please confirm that (1)you've studied the above Checklist, (2) if you're attending the orientation (3) that you've read this announcement, (4) how many seats available in your car (if bringing it), and (5)your name.

Best Regards,
>Azza Hahsem
>

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2b.
Re: First Female Hiking Leader in Egypt - was: Hike: Secret Gardens
Posted by: "Moustafa Megahed" moustafamegahed@gmail.com moustafa.megahed
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:28 am (PST)

Yeah! Azza was rocking mashallah :) and the whole group was awesome. I
really spent of the best weekends ever...

Thank you Azza for the lead. Thnx everyone who was there, all of you really
made a big difference :)

Cheers,
Mega

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Safarists,
>
> Azza was formidable and strict for safety and comfort for the hiking group!
> :) Let me tell you that we always felt that things are all well-thought
> 'before' they happened. During the hike, she would stop the Guide (Awda) if
> she noticed that the trailing hiker are not finding the right trail for
> their feet or got distrated with something. She would get us on the Camp hot
> on setting its plan up and making people feel it's new home for the night.
> She has communicated well with the Bedouin Guide and her
> selfless behavior has been obvious as well trying to take care of plenty of
> things of her group to help them know what to do in this distinct
> "cultural-landscape " (ÃÑÖ ãÊãÇíÒÉ ÇáËÞÇÝÉ æÇáØÈíÚÉ ÚãÇ ÍæáåÇ Ãæ --ÈÇÎÊÕÇÑ--
> "ÃÑÖ ÈËÞÇÝÊåÇ".Çå) which was novel to most of them!!
>
> I believe Azza is the first female Leader to the Mountains Hikes ever! :)
> And she's an engineering student!!!!! !!!!! :)
>
> Way to go, young lady!
>
> Salaam
> Mohamed Mabrouk
> www.SaharaSafaris. org
>
> -------
> I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up
> with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
> -------
>
>
> ------------ --------- ---------
> *From:* Amr Turk <amrsfmt@yahoo. com>
> *To:* SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Mon, November 16, 2009 10:29:56 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12
> [5 Attachments]
>
> [Attachment( s) <#1250271a8fc312d2_ TopText> from Amr Turk included below]
>
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to thank Azza for organizing this trip. It was really amazing.
> I appreciate her effort and leadership.
>
> Here are some pictures that I wanted to share with you.
>
> Looking forward to going on other hikes.
>
> Regards,
> Amro Tork
> ------------ --------- ---------
> *From:* Azza Hashem <azzouzza310@ hotmail.com>
> *To:* saharasafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Wed, November 4, 2009 6:04:49 AM
> *Subject:* [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dears,
>
> I will be leading a weekend hiking trip to the Secret Gardens, South
> Sinai, two weeks from now. This trip is among the activities of the SaharaSafaris
> Youth Leadership Program led by Mabrouk.
>
>
> The walk's brief could be found here:
> http://www.sheikhsi na.com/english/ content/view/ 90/386/<http://www.sheikhsi na.com/english/ content/view/ 90/386/>
>
>
> Plan:
>
> We’ll leave Cairo Thursday night 12th of November. We’ll spend the night
> at the Sheikh Mousa Bedouin Camp. The next morning we’ll start our hike
> through three gardens owned by Bedouins. We’ll be back Saturday night.
>
>
>
>
> Price: The cost of the overall trip will be around 350 (+- 25 %) LE for
> each person (Including beduion guide – camel to carry our stuff – Permissions
> and office fees - water supplies and food - accommodation in Orchards).
> This is a cooperative trip and we apply SaharaSafaris policies for leaders
> and gas sharing as in here:
> http://saharasafari s.org/trips- guidelines<http://saharasafari s.org/trips- guidelines>
>
>
> First timers are encouraged to join. For reasonable fitness, this is NOT a
> tough hike. In fact, without Mt Abbas this is quite an easy one if not
> relaxing.
>
>
> Note: The Weather will be very cold at night. So be prepared. More on
> that and everything else during orientation (designed specifically for
> first-timers) .
>
>
> Orientation: There will be an orientation for the hike this Monday 9 Nov,
> at 8 : 00 Pm till 9:30 at Cilantro Maadi, St.9. If you have done hikes
> before (with Mabrouk) then it is not mandatory to come to the orientation. Orientation
> is for your safety and max benefit so come with questions on the checklist
> knowing that we cannot take along those who haven't brought the right
> things.
>
> Important Notes:
>
>
> 1. Orientation is open for anybody with interest in our hikes even if
> not coming this time
> 2. Every hiker has to study the Checklist on: http://saharasafari
> s.org/safaris- checklist <http://saharasafari s.org/safaris- checklist>
>
>
> Reservations: Reservation is personal for you only. If you have friends
> who are confirming they have to reserve from their mobiles AFTER reading
> this announcement! This is VERY important please!
>
> SMS me with your 100% confirmation on my cell phone (0105054377) . Make
> sure it's from your mobile to be able to reach you later. On SMS, please
> confirm that (1)you've studied the above Checklist, (2) if you're attending
> the orientation (3) that you've read this announcement, (4) how many seats
> available in your car (if bringing it), and (5)your name.
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Azza Hahsem
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- ---------
> Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it
> now.<http://www.bing. com/search? q=restaurants& form=MFESRP& publ=WLHMTAG& crea=TEXT_ MFESRP_Local_ MapsMenu_ Resturants_ 1x1>
>
>
> Attachment(s) from Amr Turk
>
> 5 of 5 Photo(s)
> [image: DSC00089.JPG] <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/SaharaSafa ris/attachments/ folder/323861672 /item/1635843517 /view>
> DSC00089.JPG<http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/SaharaSafa ris/attachments/ folder/323861672 /item/1635843517 /view>
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>
>
>
>

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3a.
Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
Posted by: "mounir philips" mounir_philips@yahoo.com mounir_philips
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:11 am (PST)

I appologize for the several mistakes, including the name of "Wadi 7ouf"

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, mounir philips <mounir_philips@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mounir philips <mounir_philips@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:23 AM

Dear Uli,
Thanks God for your safety.
* Short vipers are also lethal, and their poson can be deadly.
* As for its short Fangs, it is more dangerous if the bite is ib thin skin, and much less dangerous if in thick areas like the heel.
* For any poisonous bites, do NOT try to make cuts or suck the area by mouth. Try to keep the limb motionless and lower than the body. Apply a more central torniquet that is enough to stop the blood returning in the veins, but NOT the arteries (feel the pulse). If the swwelling around the bite reached the torniquet, DO NOT remove it, but add another one more central (closer to the heart).
* It is extremely important to return to a poison control center ASAP.
* The anidote (serum) is taken only under medical supervision, with anti-shock measures availably. (Hypersesitivity is almost 30%).

* I'm not sure scientifically about the recent distribution of different species, as all the references I read were too old, before all these expansions of constructions.
* Just as a historical interrest, Wadi 7ooh (before Helwan, not too far from Digla), means in old Egyptian language "Vally of the vipers"!!!!! !!!!

Have safe trips,
mounir

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Uli in Cairo <gamousa@gmail. com> wrote:

> From: Uli in Cairo <gamousa@gmail. com>
> Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
> To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:33 PM
> good evening,
>
> and thank you for the quick feedback.
> I did some online research, too, and found that there are
> different types of horned vipers.
> Ours was the tiny version, not more than 50 to 60 cm long.
> From what I understood, that's the less dangerous one (and
> at home in places in direction of Suez CAnal).
> There is a bigger type, which is quoted to be 4 to 5 feet
> long, and said to be seriously dangerous.
>
> Ours was also pretty peaceful, we did not get too close to
> it, after we found it. I guess it did not feel too much
> threatened. No hissing or anything. More scared and 'playing
> dead'.
>
> As was mentioned, one should stay away from bushes and dry
> grass.
> For sure no touching for the kids - first rule to be
> learned and listened to when outdoors.
> But in our case, this was a dry tiny bush just next to the
> car track, and that snake was definitely trying to hide in
> there, for the very reason of about 50 people walking past
> nearby.
>
> I will do more research and next time take a picture too.
> In fact I shall ask whether anyone else in our group did
> take a picture, so maybe we can identify this creature
> beyond doubt.
>
> thank you again, good night,
> Uli
>
>
>
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>
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> JEWELERS FAVOURITE CHOICE OF COLORS!
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>
>
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>
>

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Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
Posted by: "Karim Kamal" karim.kamal@vodafone.com kimo1976
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:25 am (PST)

Hi,

It would be great if some group members could share pictures of the different snakes along with their names (species).

Thanks

Karim

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3c.
Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
Posted by: "Uli @ Cairo" gamousa@gmail.com woanders
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:28 am (PST)

dear all who replied

thank you for all the information! Contradicting as it maybe in some
parts, the bottomline is clear: yes, there are very poisonous snakes in
Wadi Degla.
And they may be coming closer to where we are usually walking around due
to our expanding intrusion (new track near the canyon, if I understand
that correctly?)

So in then future, I will once more make sure that whoever is exploring
Degla with me follows the rules and does not let the kids run wild.
We have been discussing this issue often, how important it is for them
to know and respect nature.
I am re-reading tha book once more, Nature Deficit Syndrom, on how
limited contact with nature does impact children's development and their
understanding of the world.

I just want to make it clear, this snake was exactly next to the car
track, and my daughter was on my hand, trailing off the track with one
foot only (and no, not wearing sandals since in desert ...), and making
that big step OVER the grass patch precisely because she has been
thaught to never ever step INTO grassy patches or stick hands into bushes.
Even with all this precautions, we were simply lucky, thanks God.

And one last question: does anyone know which one would be the nearest
hospital to treat snakebites?? ?

safe desert exploration to you all,
Uli (and Aisha)

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3d.
Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
Posted by: "youmna khalil" d_of_the_nile@yahoo.com D_of_the_nile
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Dear all,

I saw a small snake once next an old construction site? any idea what types live in urban areas?

In addition, can someone send pictures of the species in Egypt?

thanks

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From: Karim Kamal <karim.kamal@ vodafone. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 5:53:48 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Â
Hi,
It would be great if some group members could share pictures of the different snakes along with their names (species).
Thanks
Karim
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4a.
Re: Camera accessories needed
Posted by: "Hesham El-Sheikha" hsheikha@yahoo.com hsheikha
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Dear,

* Filters: you need UV filter to protect the lens. Other filters will depend on what you want to do. The good ones (in terms of quality and price) are Hoya (http://www.hoyafilt er.com/) and Cokin (http://www.cokin. com/). For the last, you can contact El Shenawy Co. (21 Degla Str., Off Shehab Str. 33369136). You can check them for Nikon lenses too.
* Shoulder cases: check Tamrac (www.tamrac. com) and Lowepro (www.lowepro. com).Believe it or not, their prices in Dubai are cheaper than Amazon in USA. Grand Stores in UAE is where you can find them if you any body to bring from Dubai. for Tamrac in Egypt, call
Futur Company
Naser City, Cairo
Off Makram edid Str,
002012 2182995
E-mail edward_melikian@ hotmail.com

* Nikon Tele lens: also Sigma has good ones and cheaper than nikon. Check www.sigmaphoto. com. You can call El King (Mohamed 0127333223 / 0223925140) Borg Salma, Roshdt Str, Abdeen. He stocks the common things with good prices (higher than USA and cheaper than Dubai. See he gets his stuff from Asia). if you need something expensive but not available in his store, he can bring but you need to pay down payment.
* Longer Starps: Lowepro and Tamrac are making some good ones. You can check El-King also.

* There is Nikon agent (or it seems to be) 0237762062. But prices is much higher than El King

Good Luck!

Hesham

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:34:13 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed

Dear SSs

I am searching for some accessories for my Nikon D-90 such as :

* filters for an 18-105 lens.
* long strap ( I mean longer than the original ones that come with the body) .
* a shoulder case.

* Nikon tele lens.
* Is there any Nikon agent in Egypt?
fellows,
any suggestion, info, advise and/or offer will be highly appreciated. I
mean if someone has any used item or so for sale plz let me know.
PS. um talking here about getting these stuff from Egypt!!
have a smooth day

Shibly ........ searching yet

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4b.
Re: Camera accessories needed
Posted by: "Shibly" sheblyviper@gmail.com sheblyviper
Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:16 am (PST)

Hesham ... :)

this is much much more than I expected !! thx a lot for these valued info :)
appreciated very much I live in Nasr City so I think I will check Futur
company today :) isA.

Shibly

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Hesham El-Sheikha <hsheikha@yahoo. com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear,
>
>
> - Filters: you need UV filter to protect the lens. Other filters will
> depend on what you want to do. The good ones (in terms of quality and price)
> are Hoya (http://www.hoyafilt er.com/) and Cokin (http://www.cokin. com/).
> For the last, you can contact El Shenawy Co. (21 Degla Str., Off Shehab Str.
> 33369136). You can check them for Nikon lenses too.
>
>
> - Shoulder cases: check Tamrac (www.tamrac. com) and Lowepro (
> www.lowepro. com).Believe it or not, their prices in Dubai are cheaper
> than Amazon in USA. Grand Stores in UAE is where you can find them if you
> any body to bring from Dubai. for Tamrac in Egypt, call
>
> Futur Company
> Naser City, Cairo
> Off Makram edid Str,
> 002012 2182995
> E-mail *edward_melikian@ hotmail.com
> *
>
> - Nikon Tele lens: also Sigma has good ones and cheaper than nikon.
> Check www.sigmaphoto. com. You can call El King (Mohamed 0127333223 /
> 0223925140) Borg Salma, Roshdt Str, Abdeen. He stocks the common things with
> good prices (higher than USA and cheaper than Dubai. See he gets his stuff
> from Asia). if you need something expensive but not available in his store,
> he can bring but you need to pay down payment.
> - Longer Starps: Lowepro and Tamrac are making some good ones. You can
> check El-King also.
> - There is Nikon agent (or it seems to be) 0237762062. But prices is
> much higher than El King
>
> Good Luck!*
>
> *
> Hesham
>
>
> ------------ --------- ---------
> *From:* Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
> *To:* SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
> *Sent:* Mon, November 16, 2009 12:34:13 PM
> *Subject:* [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed
>
>
>
> Dear SSs
>
>
> I am searching for some accessories for my Nikon D-90 such as :
>
> - filters for an 18-105 lens.
> - long strap ( I mean longer than the original ones that come with the
> body) .
> - a shoulder case.
> - Nikon tele lens.
> - Is there any Nikon agent in Egypt?
>
> fellows, any suggestion, info, advise and/or offer will be highly
> appreciated. I mean if someone has any used item or so for sale plz let me
> know.
> PS. um talking here about getting these stuff from Egypt!!
> have a smooth day
>
> Shibly ........ searching yet
>
>
>

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Re: Camera accessories needed
Posted by: "Hesham El-Sheikha" hsheikha@yahoo.com hsheikha
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:30 am (PST)

You can ask the Futur about all your needs, get prices. Compare prices with the prices you will get from El-King.
Futur is the agent for Manfrotto tripods also.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 4:24:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed

Hesham ... :)

this is much much more than I expected !! thx a lot for these valued info :) appreciated very much I live in Nasr City so I think I will check Futur company today :) isA.

Shibly

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Hesham El-Sheikha <hsheikha@yahoo. com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>>
>
>>
>
>Dear,
>
>
> * Filters: you need UV filter to protect the lens. Other filters will depend on what you want to do. The good ones (in terms of quality and price) are Hoya (http://www.hoyafilt er.com/) and Cokin (http://www.cokin. com/). For the last, you can contact El Shenawy Co. (21 Degla Str., Off Shehab Str. 33369136). You can check them for Nikon lenses too.
> * Shoulder cases: check Tamrac (www.tamrac. com) and Lowepro (www.lowepro. com).Believe it or not, their prices in Dubai are cheaper than Amazon in USA. Grand Stores in UAE is where you can find them if
> you any body to bring from Dubai. for Tamrac in Egypt, call
>Futur Company
>Naser City, Cairo
>Off
> Makram edid Str,
>002012 2182995
>E-mail
> edward_melikian@ hotmail.com
>
> * Nikon Tele lens: also Sigma has good ones and cheaper than nikon. Check www.sigmaphoto. com. You can call El King (Mohamed 0127333223 / 0223925140) Borg Salma, Roshdt Str, Abdeen. He stocks the common things with good prices (higher than USA and cheaper than Dubai. See he gets his stuff from Asia). if you need something expensive but not available in his store, he can bring but you need to pay down payment.
> * Longer Starps: Lowepro and Tamrac are making some good ones. You can check El-King also.
>
> * There is Nikon agent (or it seems to be) 0237762062. But prices is much higher
> than El King
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Hesham
>
>
>
>
>
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
>To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
>Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:34:13 PM
>Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed
>
> >
>
>
>>
>
>Dear SSs
>
>
>I am searching for some accessories for my Nikon D-90 such as :
>
> * filters for an 18-105 lens.
> * long strap ( I mean longer than the original ones that come with the body) .
> * a shoulder case.
>
> * Nikon tele lens.
> * Is there any Nikon agent in Egypt?
>fellows,
>any suggestion, info, advise and/or offer will be highly appreciated. I
>mean if someone has any used item or so for sale plz let me know.
>PS. um talking here about getting these stuff from Egypt!!
>>have a smooth day
>
>Shibly ........ searching yet
>

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5a.
Re: Positive Vibe - on Pleasure
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals. -------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
www.the-vision. net

Gibran Khalil Gibran

On Pleasure

...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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Re: Positive Vibe - on Pleasure
Posted by: "Barbara Will" foothillgal44@yahoo.com foothillgal44
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:29 am (PST)

Dear All,
Why would anyone think Kahlil Gibran is not an Arab?Â Our problem is we do not become familiar with the great people of non-European background.Â Well, then there is the problem of our arrogance.Â And what about Rumi?
Â
Barbara Will
Colorado, USAÂ

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:34 AM

Â

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.Â ----- --
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet
Â
it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...
Â
Monir
Â

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles

Â
www.the-vision. net
Â

Â

Â
Gibran Khalil Gibran
Â
On Pleasure
Â
...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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Re: Positive Vibe - on Love
Posted by: "Monir El.Shazly" Monir12@yahoo.com monir12
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:42 am (PST)

Brilliant Mabrouk...
please also allow me to add that even if Gibran's "The Prophet" is not the second highest selling bookÂ in the states, I have read more than once that RumiÂ IS the second highest selling poet in theÂ States after Shakespere.

Like Gibran, Rumi's poems have been used in several occasions in a lot of movies and albums, and his famous "Desire" is one of the most successful tracks of the Buddha Bar series. (the song originaly appeared in Deepak Chopra's Album "Gift of Love", which was dedicated to Rumi.

Yet unfortunately, not a lot of people inÂ theÂ Arab world are familiar with Rumi (except the Sufi's) and if you go to any Arabic bookshop, it is very difficult to find any of his books translated to Arabic (as they were originally written inÂ Persian).

Maybe it is about time for us to know shed some light on some of theÂ POSITIVEÂ / ENLIGHTENED people who have graced (or descended from)Â this part of the world....and they are many...

now I'll leave you with the "Desire" piece..I'm sure you'll find it familiar...

A lover knows only humility, he has no choice.
He steals into your alley at night, he has no choice.
He longs to kiss every lock of your hair, don't fret,
he has no choice.
In his frenzied love for you, he longs to break the chains of his imprisonment,
he has no choice.

A lover asked his beloved:
- Do you love yourself more than you love me?
Beloved replied: I have died to myself and I live for you.
I've disappeared from myself and my attributes,
I am present only for you.
I've forgotten all my learnings,
but from knowing you I've become a scholar.
I've lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.

I love myself...I love you.
I love you...I love myself.

I am your lover, come to my side,
I will open the gate to your love.
Come settle with me, let us be neighbors to the stars.
You have been hiding so long, endlessly drifting in the sea of my love.
Even so, you have always been connected to me.
Concealed, revealed, in the unknown, in the un-manifest.
I am life itself.

You have been a prisoner of a little pond,
I am the ocean and its turbulent flood.
Come merge with me,
leave this world of ignorance.
Be with me, I will open the gate to your love.

I desire you more than food or drink
My body my senses my mind hunger for your taste
I can sense your presence in my heart
although you belong to all the world
I wait with silent passion for one gesture one glance
from you.
Â
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
Â
www.the-vision. net

Â

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Â
Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.Â ----- --
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir
Â
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in MiraclesÂ
www.the-vision. net

Â
Â
Gibran Khalil Gibran
Â
On Pleasure
Â
...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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Re: Crossing Africa on motorbike [2 Attachments]
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Dear Safarists,

Read also the few comments at the end of the article!!! :) Go Omar Mansour Go!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! :)
http://www.nation. co.ke/News/ -/1056/683638/ -/uomjj8/ -/index.html

Cyclist who dreams of a united Africa
While many Kenyans are engaged in mostly divisive debates such as reforms, The Hague and post-election chaos, Mr Omar Mansour, an Egyptian lawyer (on bike) is cycling from Cape Town to Cairo to spread a message of African unity. Photo/STEPHEN BULL
By STEVEN BULL Posted Sunday, November 8 2009 at 21:01
While talk of post-election violence, IDPs and The Hague trials are shining the spotlight on division, one man is working to shift the focus to one of a united Africa. Mr Omar Mansour of Alexandria, Egypt, is currently in Kenya in the middle of a ride from Cape Town to Cairo in an effort to emphasise unity and peace of the African continent and the concept of â€œone Africa.â€�
Starting in Cape Town, South Africa on July 25, the 35-year-old lawyer is more than 100 days into the journey he expected would take no more than three months for him to reach his home in Alexandria.
Took longer
Speaking from the Egyptian embassy in Nairobi on Saturday, Mr Mansour said that his journey took longer than expected because of sight-seeing and detours. â€œI average 300 to 800 kilometres a day, but Africa is huge and there is so much to see and do along the way! I didnâ€™t factor that in when I started this journey,â€� he said.
Arriving in Kenya on November 3, he travelled from Mombasa to Nairobi and plans to continue his journey through Ethiopia and Sudan before returning to Egypt. Although his journey has been incident free, the change in length of the trek has resulted in a bit of a logistical speed-bump as his Ethiopian visa had expired before he had even arrived in Kenya.
Right now, the Ethiopian officials are saying that they can only issue him a visa from Egypt, an issue he is confident can be resolved. â€œWorst case is I fly back to Egypt to get another visa then fly back to Nairobi and continue my trip,â€� said Mr Mansour. Fortunately his primary sponsor is Egyptair, which will no doubt make the Nairobi-Cairo round-trip visa voyage much easier.
Heâ€™s confident that he wonâ€™t have to go to that distance and that the issue can be sorted out while he spends an extra week in Kenya. A life-long motorcyclist, Mr Mansour has done trips from Alexandria to Paris and from Canada to the southern United States, but his focus was always on Africa.
He hopes that not only will his ride reinforce the idea of a united continent with Africans, but that it could help change the negative image Africa has in the West. â€œUnfortunately many people in Europe and America only think of criminals, wars and HIV when they think of Africa. I want to prove that Africa is safe and peaceful to travel across. Itâ€™s the motherland, where all life began,â€� Mr Mansour said.
He added that he has felt safer on his African journey than he has anywhere else in the world. Egyptian ambassador Saher Hamza said that while Mr Mansourâ€™s voyage is a message of hope for the future, there is a definite historical aspect. â€œThe dream of a Cape Town to Cairo route is an old one, the freedom of being able to travel the length of the continent. It can still happen, but we need better infrastructure in every country,â€� he said.
Mr Hamza said that better roads and railways are necessary so that Africans donâ€™t have to rely on airlines to travel long distances and cargo can be shipped across the continent by land instead of by ship. Mr Mansour said his dream of Africa was one similar to Europe, where you can travel across many countries in a matter of hours on wide, well-maintained roads, or get on a train in one city and a short trip later youâ€™re in another city in another country.
He hopes his trip serves as a catalyst to such a continent, and that Africans work to discard the geographical focus on their own continent.
Iâ€™ve felt at home
â€œI consider my journey as a bridge of African culture. Iâ€™ve felt at home, as an African, in every country Iâ€™ve been to along the way,â€� he said. While he admits the vision for a united Africa is not going to be achieved overnight, he had a suggestion for everyone living in the â€œmotherland.â€�
â€œWe need to stop thinking North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa as two different places, thatâ€™s a mzungu(European) issue (from colonial times). I see one Africa. I donâ€™t believe in borders,â€� Mr Mansour said. When this journey is complete, heâ€™ll start planning an around-the-world voyage instead of just settling back into work with his familyâ€™s company.
â€œI consider life to be a big school, and you need to learn something new every day. Thereâ€™s a lot more to see and experience. Plus, I think my dadâ€™s fired me by now,â€� he said with a laugh.
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1. Submitted by ikiplagat
Posted November 09, 2009 09:08 PM
all these messages wouldnt work as long as there is no justice. you cannot have unity amidst ignorance,disease, corruption and tribalism.This guy should be going around Africa spreading a message of revolution. and by the way, will those children i saw on NTV from Turkana who are without water and food reading newspapers or listening to any radio about this guy? lets be realistic and do what is necessary.This guy is but an idle tourist...
2. Submitted by jomoslimo1
Posted November 09, 2009 08:41 PM
nice headline story...unlike others newspapers who puts obama and raila at the front page everyday..Goo! Nation
3. Submitted by emayieka
Posted November 09, 2009 05:32 PM
I need to participate in one of these events. Anybody let me know where to start? Obviously Not Nairobi? But will pass through Nairobi. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa

-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: omar mansour <motorbiker100@ yahoo.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: desertmoh@yahoo. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:40:07 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Crossing Africa on motorbike [2 Attachments]

[Attachment( s) from omar mansour included below]

Dear Mabrouk
how are you ?
hope you still remember me ,I'm Omar Mansour went to cross Africa like 100 and something day ago ,do you still remember me ?
well its like 1000 night and night story as after i shipped my bike to South Africa and sort it there ,rode north and so far I'm in Kenya around 13000 km so far ,and every thing is fine
so i thought to keep you and all the saharist updated ,
will try to write more about the trip as net access not that easy and fast around Africa
here is the latest article about the trip

http://www.nation. co.ke/News/ -/1056/683638/ -/uomjj8/ -/index.html

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Re: bmw x3
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:13 am (PST)

I believe after 2007 model of X3 the ride is much softer with the change of the suspension. Although I never tested one myself, I think the DSC (under xDrive technology of BMW) is good but not adjusted to our Sahara terrain. I mean I would love to see all differentials (central included) unlocked and a torque distribution is in control) but with a 4L missing, you miss a lot of slow torque when you desperately need it.

I hear things about its Chassis as well and that it's road-biased, but I don't know much about.

Does anybody here know?? or have rode one before to tell us??

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: Rafeh Saleh <rafehsaleh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 1:39:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] bmw x3

Thanx Shibli,

Excellent in spite of the unavailability of 4L? what happens when you get stuck?

cheers
rafeh

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com> wrote:

>From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] bmw x3
>To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:01 AM
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>PEREFECT !!!
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>Shibly
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>On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, rafehsaleh <rafehsaleh@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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>>Hi there,
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>>How does the BMW X3 perform in our offroad Saharah conditions?
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>>Cheers
>>Rafeh
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8a.
Re: Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:14 am (PST)

Dears,

Maybe a bit late for Dahlia, but haven you noticed that our photos almost never shows the modern Egypt? One of the districts in New Cairo that I am really proud of is Al-Rehab have you guys gone there to capture the beat of their streets and neighbourhoods? Quite different lifestyle from --for instance-- Heliopolis or Nasr City!!!!!!!! ! :)

Also, I think another interesting part is the Cultural Centers. Have you tried capturing the people getting into Sakia elSawy? Such contrast between types of people coming to enjoy same culture!!!

The cultural centers (specially the new one in Dumyat that we saw its photos on SS here), must be also some interesting things to see. Have you visted CultNat too or the Smart Village?

I haven't seen a photo of those places anywhere on FB or SS or elsewhere. Have you???

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: dahlia kesseba <dkesseba@cedare. int>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:50:55 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Dear All,

Thank you all for the wonderful photos you have sent me...I am so proud of all of your talents!

I still need photos, mainly in the following areas:

drinking water
compounds & the new emerging housing lifestyles
arab countries
nature (animals, plants, flowers...)
modern arab people

If you have any relevant photos in these areas, pls send me the high res photos by Sunday Novemeber 15th.

Thank you very much!

Dahlia Kesseba

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8b.
Re: Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment
Posted by: "HANY ABDIEN" inviron@yahoo.com inviron
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Hi Mohamed,

I agree with u that what we all have shown so far is not exactly presenting the modern life in Egypt or arab countries but at the same time I have to tell u that such compounds (compounds & the new emerging housing lifestyles) and places with private management (as in Rehab or smart village) have their own photos usually if the UN contact them and they dont allow photography there without the management permission and photographers have to have some form called "property release" in case they want to publish the photos taken there (property release is a form that the owner or management of some entity signs as a permit to the photographer to take shots and to publish and u can get that from any photo stock agency and modify it for ur needs as these forms usually studied by their lawyers to be suitable for the legalization issues.) and maybe UN have to assign a photographer for that and contact the management of those organizations to help them out and
take their permit, or maybe they can find the photos they need with the marketing department people in those organizations.

Street shots (modern arab people) r not much easier as u know holding a camera and pointing it towards something is considered a crime in the egyptian streets, but if u contact something like Ahram or Akhbar they have their photos and their photojournalists who can access streets and cultural events easily and they know the legal ways, but I have some shots in syria, will try to upload some soon, but also try to check the following and to contact the people if u like their profiles (because maybe they r not SS or maybe they didnt see the post or they dont know that their photos can fit but I believe they have great shots for the report):

Nihal Ramzy: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ nousha/

Razan (syrian activist and has loads of life shots in syria, lebanon, palastine): http://www.flickr. com/photos/ arabspring/

Sawi is helpful, I have shots there for some concerts as a part of my (trial and error) and u can find some in my flickr account (not for any cultural events because i was interested in the visual aspect and basically most ofour photographers r, unless they r photojournalists who r covering some event, this is why Ahram or Akhbar can be useful then), but as we agreed choose what u need and will send u the high res. as I am still away from Egypt.

As for Nature, surely no other one than a S.S. people can have better pictures, I have some in Sinai, but lots of people have much better shots, but also try to see:

Ahemd Abu Zeid (he has some nice nature shots): http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 21634582@ N00/

Farida El Hessy (nice flowers, sets, plants, street shots): http://www.flickr. com/photos/ cuba1869/

Mohamed Tarief: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 45769105@ N00/

I had an article (and although it is not yet fully completed, it is not for free), and it is about the life of the Bedouins of Sinai and their traditional practices till today (modern time) and how they cope with the life by using things like 3ajram trees instead of soap, or scorpions, snakes, insects ammunition from poisons.

Good luck...

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From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:59:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Dears,

Maybe a bit late for Dahlia, but haven you noticed that our photos almost never shows the modern Egypt? One of the districts in New Cairo that I am really proud of is Al-Rehab have you guys gone there to capture the beat of their streets and neighbourhoods? Quite different lifestyle from --for instance-- Heliopolis or Nasr City!!!!!!!! ! :)

Also, I think another interesting part is the Cultural Centers. Have you tried capturing the people getting into Sakia elSawy? Such contrast between types of people coming to enjoy same culture!!!

The cultural centers (specially the new one in Dumyat that we saw its photos on SS here), must be also some interesting things to see. Have you visted CultNat too or the Smart Village?

I haven't seen a photo of those places anywhere on FB or SS or elsewhere. Have you???

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: dahlia kesseba <dkesseba@cedare. int>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:50:55 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Dear All,

Thank you all for the wonderful photos you have sent me...I am so proud of all of your talents!

I still need photos, mainly in the following areas:

drinking water
compounds & the new emerging housing lifestyles
arab countries
nature (animals, plants, flowers...)
modern arab people

If you have any relevant photos in these areas, pls send me the high res photos by Sunday Novemeber 15th.

Thank you very much!

Dahlia Kesseba

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9a.
Re: el minia
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:15 am (PST)

Dear Ahmed,

Why not add this 'SUGGESTED ROUTE' to the Al-Minia article on the website? :)

As for your finishing line on Sudan's Match, let me ask all to add this to their emails: "STOP HOOLIGANS From Ruining Our Flags and Pride!! Rabbena Yonsor Montakhab elSagedeen" :)

Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org------ -
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: allamahmed <allamahmed@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 3:59:32 AM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] el minia

Dear Safarists, as promised, here is our trip log documenting our exploration in minia and around it

Some Quick Numbers:

11 adults and 2 children were the members of this adventure

Car 1: Essam Hassan
his 2 beautiful daughters
his wife Eva & her sister

Car 2: Amir El Kenawy
Nihal Mansour
Gihan el Nemr

Car 3: Motaza Ali
Ahmed Allam
Haytham Sabry

Car 4: Essam Madmoud
Omar Essam Madmoud

a total of approx. 800 KMs was done in this trip

the temperature was ranging from 29-31 during the day and 9-11 during the night

the Average Gas consumption was 150 L.E per car = approx. 80 Litre

we left Cairo 10 pm Thursday and we were back 10 pm Saturday = exactly 48 hours

The Average Cost of the trip including hotel b&b + Gas Share Cost + guide tips + tickets etc... was almost 280 L.E per person

check more details about Minia in the article i added: http://www.saharasa faris.org/ al-minia

Minia trip
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Thursday 5 November 2009

10:00 pm: Leave remaya square in moataz's car, already amir's car is 15 minutes ahead on the road, and essam hassan's car already reached el Minia before dark.
10:30 to 11:00 Stop at Total Gas station
12:00 meet amir car at sara rest house after kamin bani mazar
12:30 make left turn at samalut cuz the police station told us that "el kobri wege3" or in other words the bridge ahead is destroyed so we had to switch to the eastern side of the nile :) (we are now 200 km from cairo)
1:00 am: reach minia and the cross train mazla2an to cornaiche
1:15 arrive "Siva Nefertiti Coralia" hotel and take rooms 205 to 208 then unpack our stuff
1:45 we all go down for a walk on the nile and sit by the edge
2:30 group split moataz, gihan and haytham went to kfc, nihal to the hotel, and amir & me went exploring taha hussein st. and we found the only Ahwa and supermarket open at his time :)
3:30 back to the hotel and bed preps

Friday 6 november 2009
6:45 wake up calls
7:30 breakfast and Essam Mahmoud arrives in his frontera
8:30 gather in the lobby waiting to move
9:00 gas station amir 46 L.E essam hassan 40 L.E moataz 41 L.E
10:00 pick ahmed mostafa our guide for today from mallawi (40 km south minia) then pick khaled his colleague, continue south for another 20 kms
10:30 take the ferry (me3addeya) to the eastern bank till 10:45
11:00 Arrive to Tall el Amarna , head for the Northen cemeteries (ba-na7si, Meri-ra and Ahmosi) till 12:30 then drive to Stella (4 statues inside a big walled stone portrait marking the borders of akhet-aton, the capital of akhenaton, this was one of 14 others scattered all around Minia) then drive to royal cemetery 7 kms inside the mountain and down we go 1:00 to 1:30
Then Pass by 2 pillars which are the only remnants of the royal palace
2:20 southern tombs (we only visit AY's tomb) till 2:35 then road back to the ferry
3:00 wait for me3adeya and pass 3:20
Hurry hurry to tuna el gabal passing by ashmounin because we had to be there before 4 pm otherwise they would refuse to let us into the area so luckily arrive 3:59 sharp before closure
Start our tour by petosiris tomb then isadora funerary house containing her mummy, then down into the catacombs where thousands of ibis and baboun mummies were kept in jars, they represent te7out, god of this area, till 5 pm then go see the border plaque (stella) and amir's car has a slight gharza till 5:30
5:45 reach ashmounin road then go deep for 2 km till we reached the monumental open museum garden to be greeted by 2 huge baboon statues and many other pieces confiscated from monuments smugglers all diplayed in this open garden, then road to basilica we find it blocked due to underground water drainage operations, so drop ahmed and khaled our active guides at ashmounin near their houses 6:30 and head back to Minia
7:30 taha Hussein st. go to bondoka grill house and restaurant, eat till we r totally full
9:00 atoun hotel's tea garden have shisha and drinks (moataz nihal amir essam allam) and all others go to sleep
11:30 some of the group go to the hotel to sleep and others go shopping (allam gihan amir essam) then go to souk at palace square (downtown) then cross the bridge to new Minia and over the mountain to see the beautiful view of Minia and the nile from up there
1:30 drop essam and gihan at the hotel and go ahwa me and amir
3:00 back to the hotel hotel try to sleep till 4:30

Saturday 7 november
8:40 breakfast and talk then I go meet the manager to conclude our hotel bill, and then have a quick dip in the swimming pool
10:30 ahmed mostafa our guide comes and waits down at the reception till we all gather
11:00 gather in front of hotel to move and many delays as search for gas and tawahan around the city a bit
11:50 finally leave Minia to east by the bridge then south towards Benni Hassan
12:10 zawyet el soltan (amwat) +remenants of a pyramid + cemetery till 12:45
1:00 establ antar (old mines and temple) to 1:30
Then bani hassan 1:45
2:00 start bani hassan site by kheti tomb, 2:20 bakhet tomb , 2:40 khenum 7otob tomb, 3:00 amenme7at tomb, they are all famous by the wall drawings showing all aspects of daily life for pharaoes specially ALL the wrestling moves, centuries later the roman wrestling took all these moves to create this sport, which is a very rare and very nice documentation in these tombs and all the vivid colors are still preserved
then down to the rest house to freshen up
3:20 leave to minia and essam Hassan splits here to take the road to Cairo early
4:10 minia bridge pass over it to drop ahmed in minia and tawahan inside the town a bit
4:30 back to the eastern side, take the road north to cairo and deir el adra located 20 kms north-east of Minia
5:30 arrive to deir el adra at gabal el teir, we were rewarded with a GREAT sunset from the top of the mountain in front of the ancient church there
5:45 take the dusty road back till we get out to the main road 5:55
7:00 arrive at kamin beni suef and head into the town itself
7:15 arrive into new beni suef town on the eastern side of the nile, at this point we got split by the crowded streets and we got lost ï�Š
Gas station 7:25 we meet all again amir 79 LE moataz 74 LE, discuss our route back to Cairo and exchange drivers
7:45 eat koshari to 8:15 then hit the road to east again, drive around till we find the start of koraymat new road to Cairo
8:45 stop at koraymat toll station and emergency bathroom stop for the girls
9:00 road to Cairo and arrive to tebbin-helwan and the very far end of Autostrade road
10:10 exchange passengers and bye

Well i hope you enjoyed our story, i know it is a bit close to a police report with all these exact timings and so, but this log was documented step by step and on time during our tours, again hope you enjoy it,

After all the fun and adventure we had, i am thinking seriously of another exploration trip (Maybe during Eid el Adha's vacation) including more forgotten areas and paths less taken.
I am proud to say i've been around a lot of our country's monuments, but still there are areas and places rarely visited, either because they are hard to reach, or not listed in the usual tour guides' trips.

My thoughts wandered towards AL KHARGA oasis, DANDARA & ABIDUS temples between Sohag and Qena, and if we have more time we could also see the RAMSIUM and CITY of HABU, i am ashamed to say i have been to Luxor more than 8 times and EACH time i don't get to see those 2 places either due to lack of time or because the tour guides were always in a hurry and insisted these locations are an hour OFF the road and not worth the visit (totally untrue according to what i've heard)

i am waiting for enthusiastic Safarists who might be interested in this trip, of course you have to be free during the Eid vacation, and you have to be Crazy AND Restless to join this trip, if not available during the Eid at least tell me for later when we decide to go for it, so any volunteers so far? :D

BEST WISHES to our national Football Team in Sudan, i witnessed Egypt in Italy 90, 20 years ago, and i really hope to witness it again :)

Dr. Ahmed Allam
Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
+2 010 520 9179

Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...

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9b.
Re: el minia
Posted by: "allamahmed" allamahmed@yahoo.com allamahmed
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:24 am (PST)

dear mabrouk,
i totally agree about this foolish hooligans thing, it went WAY over its limits, and it needs to stop immediately. although football is very important to me and most of the Egyptian population, this is NOT football, this is blind fanaticism, specially from the Algerian side, but anyways it is ruining the joy of football and creating unwanted fury, rabbena yostor bokra isa.

about the suggested route, i am afraid i did not get what u meant, do you mean the route of our trip in minia? or the route of the trip to kharga, sohag, qena and luxor?

well the route vaguely can be explained as follows:

Route 1:
cairo-assiout- kharga (then spend 2 nights in kharga and around)
kharga-baris (80 kms south of kharga)
baris-luxor
luxor-Qena-sohag then sleep in minia
minia-cairo

Route 2:
cairo-minia
minia-sohag- qena-luxor
luxor-Baris- kharga
kharga-cairo

kilometrage: roughly for now
cairo-assiout 387 km
assiout-kharga 233 km
cairo-luxor 700 km
kharga-Baris 90 km
baris-luxor 150 km

for now this is all on paper and lacks the finalized detailed stops and kilometrage and all the trip logistics, but i estimate it would take 5 days, maybe 4 days if pressed and then we can cancel the luxor portion of the trip

i still await for enthusiastic ppl, so if you are out there, show any sign of life :) right mabrouk? ;)

Dr. Ahmed Allam
Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
+2 010 520 9179
Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...

--- In SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com, Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@. ..> wrote:
>
> Dear Ahmed,
>
> Why not add this 'SUGGESTED ROUTE' to the Al-Minia article on the website? :)
>
> As for your finishing line on Sudan's Match, let me ask all to add this to their emails: "STOP HOOLIGANS From Ruining Our Flags and Pride!! Rabbena Yonsor Montakhab elSagedeen" :)
>
> Mohamed Mabrouk
> www.SaharaSafaris. org------ -
> I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
> -------
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: allamahmed <allamahmed@ ...>
> To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 3:59:32 AM
> Subject: [SaharaSafaris] el minia
>
> Dear Safarists, as promised, here is our trip log documenting our exploration in minia and around it
>
>
> Some Quick Numbers:
>
> 11 adults and 2 children were the members of this adventure
>
> Car 1: Essam Hassan
> his 2 beautiful daughters
> his wife Eva & her sister
>
> Car 2: Amir El Kenawy
> Nihal Mansour
> Gihan el Nemr
>
> Car 3: Motaza Ali
> Ahmed Allam
> Haytham Sabry
>
> Car 4: Essam Madmoud
> Omar Essam Madmoud
>
> a total of approx. 800 KMs was done in this trip
>
> the temperature was ranging from 29-31 during the day and 9-11 during the night
>
> the Average Gas consumption was 150 L.E per car = approx. 80 Litre
>
> we left Cairo 10 pm Thursday and we were back 10 pm Saturday = exactly 48 hours
>
> The Average Cost of the trip including hotel b&b + Gas Share Cost + guide tips + tickets etc... was almost 280 L.E per person
>
> check more details about Minia in the article i added: http://www.saharasa faris.org/ al-minia
>
>
> Minia trip
> ----------
>
> Thursday 5 November 2009
>
> 10:00 pm: Leave remaya square in moataz's car, already amir's car is 15 minutes ahead on the road, and essam hassan's car already reached el Minia before dark.
> 10:30 to 11:00 Stop at Total Gas station
> 12:00 meet amir car at sara rest house after kamin bani mazar
> 12:30 make left turn at samalut cuz the police station told us that "el kobri wege3" or in other words the bridge ahead is destroyed so we had to switch to the eastern side of the nile :) (we are now 200 km from cairo)
> 1:00 am: reach minia and the cross train mazla2an to cornaiche
> 1:15 arrive "Siva Nefertiti Coralia" hotel and take rooms 205 to 208 then unpack our stuff
> 1:45 we all go down for a walk on the nile and sit by the edge
> 2:30 group split moataz, gihan and haytham went to kfc, nihal to the hotel, and amir & me went exploring taha hussein st. and we found the only Ahwa and supermarket open at his time :)
> 3:30 back to the hotel and bed preps
>
> Friday 6 november 2009
> 6:45 wake up calls
> 7:30 breakfast and Essam Mahmoud arrives in his frontera
> 8:30 gather in the lobby waiting to move
> 9:00 gas station amir 46 L.E essam hassan 40 L.E moataz 41 L.E
> 10:00 pick ahmed mostafa our guide for today from mallawi (40 km south minia) then pick khaled his colleague, continue south for another 20 kms
> 10:30 take the ferry (me3addeya) to the eastern bank till 10:45
> 11:00 Arrive to Tall el Amarna , head for the Northen cemeteries (ba-na7si, Meri-ra and Ahmosi) till 12:30 then drive to Stella (4 statues inside a big walled stone portrait marking the borders of akhet-aton, the capital of akhenaton, this was one of 14 others scattered all around Minia) then drive to royal cemetery 7 kms inside the mountain and down we go 1:00 to 1:30
> Then Pass by 2 pillars which are the only remnants of the royal palace
> 2:20 southern tombs (we only visit AY's tomb) till 2:35 then road back to the ferry
> 3:00 wait for me3adeya and pass 3:20
> Hurry hurry to tuna el gabal passing by ashmounin because we had to be there before 4 pm otherwise they would refuse to let us into the area so luckily arrive 3:59 sharp before closure
> Start our tour by petosiris tomb then isadora funerary house containing her mummy, then down into the catacombs where thousands of ibis and baboun mummies were kept in jars, they represent te7out, god of this area, till 5 pm then go see the border plaque (stella) and amir's car has a slight gharza till 5:30
> 5:45 reach ashmounin road then go deep for 2 km till we reached the monumental open museum garden to be greeted by 2 huge baboon statues and many other pieces confiscated from monuments smugglers all diplayed in this open garden, then road to basilica we find it blocked due to underground water drainage operations, so drop ahmed and khaled our active guides at ashmounin near their houses 6:30 and head back to Minia
> 7:30 taha Hussein st. go to bondoka grill house and restaurant, eat till we r totally full
> 9:00 atoun hotel's tea garden have shisha and drinks (moataz nihal amir essam allam) and all others go to sleep
> 11:30 some of the group go to the hotel to sleep and others go shopping (allam gihan amir essam) then go to souk at palace square (downtown) then cross the bridge to new Minia and over the mountain to see the beautiful view of Minia and the nile from up there
> 1:30 drop essam and gihan at the hotel and go ahwa me and amir
> 3:00 back to the hotel hotel try to sleep till 4:30
>
> Saturday 7 november
> 8:40 breakfast and talk then I go meet the manager to conclude our hotel bill, and then have a quick dip in the swimming pool
> 10:30 ahmed mostafa our guide comes and waits down at the reception till we all gather
> 11:00 gather in front of hotel to move and many delays as search for gas and tawahan around the city a bit
> 11:50 finally leave Minia to east by the bridge then south towards Benni Hassan
> 12:10 zawyet el soltan (amwat) +remenants of a pyramid + cemetery till 12:45
> 1:00 establ antar (old mines and temple) to 1:30
> Then bani hassan 1:45
> 2:00 start bani hassan site by kheti tomb, 2:20 bakhet tomb , 2:40 khenum 7otob tomb, 3:00 amenme7at tomb, they are all famous by the wall drawings showing all aspects of daily life for pharaoes specially ALL the wrestling moves, centuries later the roman wrestling took all these moves to create this sport, which is a very rare and very nice documentation in these tombs and all the vivid colors are still preserved
> then down to the rest house to freshen up
> 3:20 leave to minia and essam Hassan splits here to take the road to Cairo early
> 4:10 minia bridge pass over it to drop ahmed in minia and tawahan inside the town a bit
> 4:30 back to the eastern side, take the road north to cairo and deir el adra located 20 kms north-east of Minia
> 5:30 arrive to deir el adra at gabal el teir, we were rewarded with a GREAT sunset from the top of the mountain in front of the ancient church there
> 5:45 take the dusty road back till we get out to the main road 5:55
> 7:00 arrive at kamin beni suef and head into the town itself
> 7:15 arrive into new beni suef town on the eastern side of the nile, at this point we got split by the crowded streets and we got lost Ã¯Â�ÂŠ
> Gas station 7:25 we meet all again amir 79 LE moataz 74 LE, discuss our route back to Cairo and exchange drivers
> 7:45 eat koshari to 8:15 then hit the road to east again, drive around till we find the start of koraymat new road to Cairo
> 8:45 stop at koraymat toll station and emergency bathroom stop for the girls
> 9:00 road to Cairo and arrive to tebbin-helwan and the very far end of Autostrade road
> 10:10 exchange passengers and bye
>
>
> Well i hope you enjoyed our story, i know it is a bit close to a police report with all these exact timings and so, but this log was documented step by step and on time during our tours, again hope you enjoy it,
>
> After all the fun and adventure we had, i am thinking seriously of another exploration trip (Maybe during Eid el Adha's vacation) including more forgotten areas and paths less taken.
> I am proud to say i've been around a lot of our country's monuments, but still there are areas and places rarely visited, either because they are hard to reach, or not listed in the usual tour guides' trips.
>
> My thoughts wandered towards AL KHARGA oasis, DANDARA & ABIDUS temples between Sohag and Qena, and if we have more time we could also see the RAMSIUM and CITY of HABU, i am ashamed to say i have been to Luxor more than 8 times and EACH time i don't get to see those 2 places either due to lack of time or because the tour guides were always in a hurry and insisted these locations are an hour OFF the road and not worth the visit (totally untrue according to what i've heard)
>
> i am waiting for enthusiastic Safarists who might be interested in this trip, of course you have to be free during the Eid vacation, and you have to be Crazy AND Restless to join this trip, if not available during the Eid at least tell me for later when we decide to go for it, so any volunteers so far? :D
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> BEST WISHES to our national Football Team in Sudan, i witnessed Egypt in Italy 90, 20 years ago, and i really hope to witness it again :)
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10a.
Re: Canon, lens
Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@yahoo.com desertmoh
Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:29 am (PST)

Dears,

I'd like to mention that you may like to add your valuable points to this beautiful article already edited by many photography enthusiasts:
http://saharasafari s.org/how- to-do-safaris- photography

Adel elKady, you may like to place your comment in the Tools and During sections of the article. :)

Now can I ask how do you decide to choose whether Nikon or Canon????
I've always wondered why people choose Nikon at all if they're not investing in studios. Am I right?

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: a.feroci <a.feroci@yahoo. it>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 12:06:04 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Canon, lens

Dear Nader,

I understand, it's not easy to choose for a good lens and agree with the others when they say that it depends from the type of pics you like to shoot.

From my personal experience, I bought an EOS 450D (great camera!) some time ago with the standard 18-55mm and an additional tele zoom 55-250mm. They are not bad and you can make great pics but as soon as you need more performance from them problems pop-up! If you speak with professional photographers they say that the standard 18-55mm is a piece of cr..., just for the waste. In addition to that, if you start to change your lenses during shooting, you can face problems with bunch of dust landing on your chip, specially in a dust fully environment like Egypt.

Just to summarize, after lots of market research I got a 18-250mm tele zoom from SIGMA with stabilizator. The lens is great for travelling and it covers almost all ranges you need for a "normal" use of the camera. The lens is of extreme high quality, there are a lot of tests on that in internet as well and it was recommended by different professional photo shops in Italy, Germany and Japan! It's quite costy, around 600â‚¬, but superb quality that you feel as soon as you grab it. The lens has 72mm diameter and it's quite heavy, between 500-600gr.

If you'll need additional lenses for other scopes, you can ever buy some Canon lenses with no zoom like the 35mm, 50mm, 20mm wich have a very low f factor, around f2 for a reasonable price, around 250-300â‚¬.

Hope it helps you, specifications I can send you additional details.

Take care!
Alessandro

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> I have the Tamron 28-300 F/3.5-6.3 which is quiet satisfying for many
> proposes.
> check the link
> http://www.amazon. com/Tamron- 28-300mm- 3-5-6-3-Aspheric al-Digital/ dp/B00066EK40/ ref=sr_1_ 2?ie=UTF8& s=electronics& qid=1258370733& sr=8-2
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> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Hany el Zorkany <hannoush_14@ ...>wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Dear Nader, you didn't mention the F/number of the two lenses! If it's
> > almost the same, go for the 28-300mm as it sure covers wider range of focal
> > numbers (wide-normal- tele) so you wont be in need of changing lenses more
> > frequently..
> >
> > Cheers..
> >
> > Hany.
> > http://www.hanyphot ography.com
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> > *Sent:* Thu, November 12, 2009 1:46:35 PM
> > *Subject:* [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens
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> >
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I recently bought (Canon t1i with lens 18-55mm ) but I don't know which
> > lens to choose !!
> >
> > what do you think about F 28-300mm?! or 70 _ 300mm ? and from where I can
> > buy? New and used 90 % !
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10b.
Re: Canon, lens
Posted by: "Nader" nader_naim@spiceland.com.eg doudy_spices
Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 am (PST)

Dear Safaris,

As Hany said to me â€œI am just trying to make others avoid the mistakes I have doneâ€� So Iâ€™d love say thank you for everybody ,Have the same spirit to help. To let me avoid not being satisfied with the lensâ€¦ !

Your information was not only useful to me but I enjoyed reading your opinions and How youâ€™d love to help.

Nader

From: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mohamed Mabrouk
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:14 PM
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Dear Nader,

I guess you've served well. :) Actually I learnt new info like ideas for the lenses and dealers/branches in Egypt. :)
But I guess we all owe it to those who helped to place their contributions in one 'sub-section' in Cairo's Article on Photography as well as 'How-to do Photography in Egypt'. What do you think??? :)

Everybody then will simply sent it out to friends when they ask same questions and everybody can always update when there are new techniques and ideas in a single article to find. :)

If you need help, just ask here. :) many can help with DOs and DONT's

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org

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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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_____

From: Nader <nader_naim@spicelan d.com.eg>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 2:10:44 PM
Subject: RE: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Thank you Abeer so much..

From: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Abeer Maadawy
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:44 PM
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Canon have an official agent here in Cairo. Silicon 21.. you can make an order and they get things in about 2 weeks with a 1 year warranty ..

you can call: Sayed Kamal 0101715921

Abeer Maadawy

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From: Nader <nader_naim@spicelan d.com.eg>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 1:46:35 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Hello everybody,

I recently bought (Canon t1i with lens 18-55mm ) but I donâ€™t know which lens to choose !!

what do you think about F 28-300mm?! or 70 _ 300mm ? and from where I can buy? New and used 90 % !

Nader Naim

Spice Kingdom

Mob. :+20.10.7800 007

:+20.12.2149 403

Tel. :+20.2.4610 3901-4

Fax :+20.2.46103 905

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AN HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF PRIME MINISTERS OF EGYPT- 1878-1952. ( EPIS
Posted by: "The Egyptian Chronicles" the_egyptian_chronicles@comcast.net the_egyptian_chronicles
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:24 am (PST)

In this episode: Only a day after forming the new cabinet, the prime minister issued an edict postponing the opening of the Wafdist-majority parliament for a month. Things were not proceeding as Sidqi had planned. True, order prevailed as he read out the decree postponing the opening of parliament. However, instead of remaining silent, as he had hoped, the members of parliament responded by reciting their oath "to defend the constitution with all the power, money and spirit of sacrifice I possess". Meanwhile the new government responded by pledging to "instill peace of mind among the people and to work towards ensuring public order and safety by force if necessary. Thus started Sidqi's extremely controversial and oppressive political rule for the next three years.
To view more of Episode # 31 click the icon below:

http://www.theegypt ianchronicles. com/History/ PRIMEMINISTERS31 .html

The Egyptian Chronicles is a cooperative effort by a group of Egyptian authors pooling together their talents for the sake of Egypt's Future. Articles contained in these pages are the personal views and/or work of the authors, who bear the sole responsibility of the content of their work. This Monthly Electronic Magazine is a non-profit, commercial free zone and is answerable to no one.

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Re: Rally training course (Rally School)
Posted by: "Hany el Zorkany" hannoush_14@yahoo.com hannoush_14
Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Dear Mabrouk,
Â
Although the name "Rally School" suggests it's a professional training course-in which it is-exclusive only for those who intend to participate in rallies whether as pilots (drivers), co-pilots or as assistants; yet it's of a great benefit for serious offroadersand for acquiring a unique and first-class knowledge and the know-hows involvedin this sport.
Â
TheÂ number of people getting offroadingin the desert as a recreational sport is increasingÂ rapidly every day. Great number of'em doesn't have the fundamental and essentialknowledge for handling such sport safely in the right way. They adoptÂ trial-& -error methodÂ along with shattered infogatheredfrom here and there. Coincidently,Â MoatazmsgOffroad ingSafety lessons learnedÂ is a living proof for that. Moatazlearned his lessons by trial & error and he leaned them the hard way.
Â
Now Rally school is a professional academy that provides more of such valuablelessons along with field trips for practical training giving by devoted experts each in his field. For the first time you have one reliable place that you'd gather all the info needed for offroadingfrom, whether to be prepared for rally sport or to practice offroadingsafely.
Â
Ahmed el Shamygraduated from rally school last year and it was his first time ever to go offroading!. .10 monthslater he settled5thoverall in PharaohsRally, the second toughest rally in the world!Â How is that for an achievementÂ example after the course!
Â
Cheers..
Â
Hany el Zorkany.
http://www.hanyphot ography.com

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From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 11:46:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Rally training course (Rally School)

Â
Dear Hany,

Can you give us some info about some of the achievements of those who graduated from the Rally School? It would be interesting to know how they fared 'after the course' rather than during. :)

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
Â -------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: Hany el Zorkany <hannoush_14@ yahoo.com>
To: Sahara Safaris <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:19:25 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Rally training course (Rally School)

Dear all,

The rally school is back. After the success of the last school and the impressive results of its graduates in both the local rallies and the Pharaohs rally, we are very much excited about its potential and continuation.
It will be held in the Automobile club for theoretical sessions and in our vast deserts for the practical sessions. A first aid course is included as usual plus a general overview of all aspects of rally racing. The details are attached below in addition to the application form. The sessions will start on the 15th of November. Pls note that we can only accept a certain number of students so if interested, pls hurry up and fill an application. You can give the application along with the fees to Mr. Wael at the Automobile club (10 Kasr Elnil St.) during next week. The fees will cover all the course material plus the Food and Beverage during the desert outings and practical sessions. All the instructors are volunteering their time, effort and know-how for the success of the project and the benefit of the sport.
Pls spread the word for those you know are interested.
Â
DETAILS OF RALLY COURSE, OUTLINES AND TIMETABLE

The course would be scheduled in five distinct entities:
â€¢Novice school (Offroad 101)
â€¢A first aid course
â€¢Assistance Team and its Management
â€¢Navigation and Co-Piloting
â€¢Race and Piloting sessions

Course outline

â€¢ Novice School
1. Simple offroading and recovery techniques at low speeds
2. A general introduction to car mechanics

â€¢ A general first aid course covering potential desert emergencies and certified by Emergency First Response UK

â€¢ Assistance Team and its Management:
3. what is an assistance team and what is its role
4. Logistical issues
5. Equipment needs
6. Safety
7. Recovery
8. Communications
9. Navigation
10. Time management
11. Checklist
12. Duties of Assistance team and the assistance team manager

â€¢ Navigation and Co-piloting:
1. The Co-pilot Job
2. Introduction to navigation
3. Maps reading
4. GPS introduction
5. Road book and Terratrip
6. Instrumentation
7. Recovery and safety
8. Duties and role of the co-pilot
9. Helpful tips for co-piloting

â€¢ Race and piloting:
10. The passion of desert rallying
11. What is desert rallying
12. Safety, safety, safety: quality products, car preparation, self-preparation
13. Elements of a successful campaign
14. Vehicle preparation: to modify, build, buy or rent
15. Sponsorship
16. Strategy
17. Regulations: FIA, SCORE, others
18. Driving in different desert conditions: flat driving, rocky, sand and dune

Timetable:

Sunday 22th November Class - Novice
Friday 4th December Field - Novice
Sunday 6th December Class - Assistance
Friday/Saturday 11th&12th December First Aid
Sunday 13th December Class - Copilot
Friday/Saturday 18th&19th December Field - Copilot
Sunday 20th December Class - Copilot
Friday/Saturday 25th&26th December Field - Copilot
Sunday 17th January Class - Pilot
Friday/Saturday 22nd&23rd January Field - Pilot
Friday/Saturday 29th&30th January Field - Pilot
Sunday 31st January Graduation

Participating Fees: LE 1500

For entry form : http://www.facebook .com/l.php? u=http%3A% 2F%2Fefms. com.eg%2Fcontent %2Frally- school&h=2d92e14c05 4438c0b f2f3ff0120a2e55

You can contact me in person if you need to ask about any further details : 012 318 6354
Hany el Zorkany.
http://www.hanyphot ography.com

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3.: Khan Academy

Posted by: "Yvonne Hanna" yvonnemaryhanna@... yvonnemaryhanna

Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:26 am (PST)

Dear Sahara Safari Members, The following may be of interest. Best wishes, Yvonne

Website: www.khanacademy.org

The Khan Academy is a remarkable, one-person effort to educate the World.
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4a.: Re: Positive Vibe - on Love

Posted by: "ananda rama" aanandaramaa@... aanandaramaa

Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:14 am (PST)

Hallo Monir,

Yes you are so true in what you write. Recently I was asked about Rumi being known here in Egypt but I could not answer... Defenitely his books should be available to the masses.

Didi

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Love
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:35 PM

Brilliant Mabrouk...
please also allow me to add that even if Gibran's "The Prophet" is not the second highest selling book in the states, I have read more than once that Rumi IS the second highest selling poet in the States after Shakespere.

Like Gibran, Rumi's poems have been used in several occasions in a lot of movies and albums, and his famous "Desire" is one of the most successful tracks of the Buddha Bar series. (the song originaly appeared in Deepak Chopra's Album "Gift of Love", which was dedicated to Rumi.

Yet unfortunately, not a lot of people in the Arab world are familiar with Rumi (except the Sufi's) and if you go to any Arabic bookshop, it is very difficult to find any of his books translated to Arabic (as they were originally written in Persian).

Maybe it is about time for us to know shed some light on some of the POSITIVE /ENLIGHTENED people who have graced (or descended from) this part of the world....and they are many...

now I'll leave you with the "Desire" piece..I'm sure you'll find it familiar...

A lover knows only humility, he has no choice.
He steals into your alley at night, he has no choice.
He longs to kiss every lock of your hair, don't fret,
he has no choice.
In his frenzied love for you, he longs to break the chains of his imprisonment,
he has no choice.

A lover asked his beloved:
- Do you love yourself more than you love me?
Beloved replied: I have died to myself and I live for you.
I've disappeared from myself and my attributes,
I am present only for you.
I've forgotten all my learnings,
but from knowing you I've become a scholar.
I've lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.

I love myself...I love you.
I love you...I love myself.

I am your lover, come to my side,
I will open the gate to your love.
Come settle with me, let us be neighbors to the stars.
You have been hiding so long, endlessly drifting in the sea of my love.
Even so, you have always been connected to me.
Concealed, revealed, in the unknown, in the un-manifest.
I am life itself.

You have been a prisoner of a little pond,
I am the ocean and its turbulent flood.
Come merge with me,
leave this world of ignorance.
Be with me, I will open the gate to your love.

I desire you more than food or drink
My body my senses my mind hunger for your taste
I can sense your presence in my heart
although you belong to all the world
I wait with silent passion for one gesture one glance
from you.

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles

www.the-vision. net

From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations.. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals. -------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles

www.the-vision. net

Gibran Khalil Gibran

On Pleasure

....And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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4b.: Re: Positive Vibe - on Love

Posted by: "Amr Maghrabi" amrmaghrabi@... amrmaghrabi

Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:12 am (PST)

from my understanding Rumi has effected and was effected by one of the four asian sufi schools (the Sahrawardeya school, there is a connection with the whirling dervishes in Konya, the silsila of the sahrawardeya sufi order goes back to Ali and the prophet ) the 3 other schools are the Shishteya (the oldest asian school, started in herat in afghanistan and using silent meditation and deviation from power, silsila going back to Ali and the prophet) the Qadiriya (the second oldest school with branches in china, india, south africa and iran and with a silsila going to the ahlul bayt(7 imams), imam Ali and the Prophet) and the Naqshbendeya (the only school with a silsila going back to Abu bakr el sidiq instead of imam/calipha Ali but including the 6th imam Ja3far el Sidiq)

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From: ananda rama <aanandaramaa@yahoo.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 3:16:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Love

Hallo Monir,

Yes you are so true in what you write. Recently I was asked about Rumi being known here in Egypt but I could not answer... Defenitely his books should be available to the masses.

Didi

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com> wrote:

>From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
>Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Love
>To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:35 PM
>
>
>
>Brilliant Mabrouk...
>please also allow me to add that even if Gibran's "The Prophet" is not the second highest selling book in the states, I have read more than once that Rumi IS the second highest selling poet in the States after Shakespere.
>
>Like Gibran, Rumi's poems have been used in several occasions in a lot of movies and albums, and his famous "Desire" is one of the most successful tracks of the Buddha Bar series.. (the song originaly appeared in Deepak Chopra's Album "Gift of Love", which was dedicated to Rumi.
>
>Yet unfortunately, not a lot of people in the Arab world are familiar with Rumi (except the Sufi's) and if you go to any Arabic bookshop, it is very difficult to find any of his books translated to Arabic (as they were originally written in Persian).
>
>Maybe it is about time for us to know shed some light on some of the POSITIVE /ENLIGHTENED people who have graced (or descended from) this part of the world.....and they are many...
>
>now I'll leave you with the "Desire" piece...I'm sure you'll find it familiar...
>
>A lover knows only humility, he has no choice.
>He steals into your alley at night, he has no choice.
>He longs to kiss every lock of your hair, don't fret,
>he has no choice.
>In his frenzied love for you, he longs to break the chains of his imprisonment,
>he has no choice.
>
>
>A lover asked his beloved:
>- Do you love yourself more than you love me?
>Beloved replied: I have died to myself and I live for you.
>I've disappeared from myself and my attributes,
>I am present only for you.
>I've forgotten all my learnings,
>bu

#20399

From: Hany el Zorkany <hannoush_14@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:13 am
Subject: Where can i find these shackles

hannoush_14

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Dear all,

Thank you

Hany.
http://www.hanyphotography.com

2 of 2 Photo(s)

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http://saharasafaris.org/al-quseir-hotel

#20398

From: "allamahmed" <allamahmed@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:24 pm
Subject: Kharga Oasis in Eid

allamahmed

List of Lodges as updated by Safarists

Region	Name	Access	First Author
WestDesert	Badawiya Lodge	Road (excellent track for normal cars)	heba.elcheikh
UpperEgypt	AL MOUDIRA	Road (excellent track for normal cars)	noha.zayed
EastDesert	Al Quseir Hotel	Road (excellent track for normal cars)	noha.zayed
UpperEgypt	anakato	Road (excellent track for normal cars)	shikabounita

---------------------------------

And here's one of those as an example of how it looks like when done:

Al Quseir Hotel

By noha.zayed - Posted on 06 April 2008

Method to Get There:

Road (excellent track for normal cars)

Contacts:

065-333-2301

Cost Per Night:

70 - 120 LE/DBl room on BB basis

Address:

sharia port said, Quseir kornish, red sea coast

this place is amazing. it is a rennovated 1920's merchant's house right on the water front. shared bathrooms but very clean. the sea-front rooms have amazing views.

Add new comment
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you'll notice how many mentioned here are not yet represented such as: AlKarm, Fustat Wadi ElGemaal, Basata, El Beshmo, etc. etc.

To add a new one, here are 3 simple steps:

1- Subscribe from here (http://saharasafaris.org/user/register) to enable yourself to add/edit anything on this website,

2- Go (at the website frontpage) to the START WRITING menu (top right) and select A NEW LODGE (http://saharasafaris.org/node/add/ecolodge)

3- Fill the necessary information for the ecolodge you wish to share with the Community here

AND of course when done send out the new link for this Ecolodge to us here on the Forum so that we're notified and send out to our friends.

Salaam

Mohamed Mabrouk

www.SaharaSafaris.org

#20395

From: "Monir El.Shazly" <Monir12@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:08 am
Subject: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take action.

monir12

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Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the massacres that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."

Course in Miracles

www.the-vision.net

this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa.com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.

1-

We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-

Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa

and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit

#20394

From: Hatem El Ghamry <hatemelghamry@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:34 pm
Subject: Fw: انتهى زمن الجت سكي ....

hatemelghamry

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!!!! انتهى زمن الجت !!!!

the time of jet is over

شوفو ايش عندنا اليوم

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#20393

From: adel louis <louis.adel@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:22 pm
Subject: Foot Reflexology

ibrahimlouis...

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http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.uk/static/cs/uk/11/features/reflexology/footchart.html

Interesting�link

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#20392

From: "Fatma Noureldeen" <elzahraa@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:43 pm
Subject: the Big Zero - positives in Egypt

fnoureldeen

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Positives in Egypt

Damietta: The Big Zero

I was really proud , of having this example to be added to our positives in Egypt. A whole governorate with ZERO unemployment, an article in the well known reputable business magazine : Business Today Egypt , covering Damietta which is well known of many industries such as : Dairy products , confectionaries , fishing , furniture .

What made me proud as well is another positive example for Egyptian personalities: Amr Orensa

Amr Orensa : (the SS ), the talented photographer , the furniture designer, and the young successful business man .

Amr Orensa was interviewed in this article ; the very good positive thing that I do appreciate and I have to focus on it here, is : he doesn�t give bribes.

Many positive examples are here in the SS :

Omar Samra

Nadia Alawady

Amr Orensa

Please add more :)

Have a bright day

Fatma Noureldeen

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#20391

From: "salmaak81" <salma.khattab@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: Help needed for hiking trips

salmaak81

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Gabi,

I have just been on the SS website and read your EXTENSIVE article on Siwa, so i
guess you can dismiss my last post.
I can't THANK YOU enough for that great ressource and super detailed article, my
eid trip will be successful thanks to you!

Happy eid everyone!

Salma

--- In SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com, Salma <salma.khattab@...> wrote:
>
> Hi SS,
>
> it's been a while since i posted anything in the forum. However, i take the
> opportunity today to appeal to your extensive knowledge and generous
> assistance to help me organize a few trips:
> I would appreciate if you could email me for the destinations below the best
> means of transportation (car, bus and its cost), an estimated budget (very
> low key trip, no luxuries), and the activities that can be done or sights to
> be visited there while travelling alone and without a guide.
>
> 1- Siwa
> 2- Luxor and Aswan
>
> The other question is; i was discussing an interesting route with a spanish
> friend of mine. We wanted to do a hike from Saint Antonios monastery (deir
> Mar Antonios near Zaafarana) to Saint Paul Monastery (Deir Mar Boulos near
> Hurghada).
> Can you help us plan it, or even make it an SS event - low cost if possible-
> with the whole camping, climbing... etc? I was thinking of doing it end of
> February, for at least 4-5 days.
>
> I would really appreciate your input for these trips and looking forward to
> your feedback!
>
> Thanks SS community!
>
>
> --
> Salma
>
> --- "Aspire to inspire before you expire"
>

#20390

From: "salmaak81" <salma.khattab@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: Help needed for hiking trips

salmaak81

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Gabi!

Thanks a lot for your helpful information. I would definitely be looking into
planning that monastery hike and will contact you directly closer to the date to
better organize ourselves.

For this Eid vacation however, i was looking into going to Siwa. I know it's a
little late to plan it but can you recommend somewhere to stay in siwa? Where
and how much it will be and their contact information? and can i travel with my
regular car? or should i take a bus to reach Siwa?
Your help is much appreciated !

Thanks!

Salma
--- In SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com, "gabi49" <gabi49@...> wrote:
>
>
> A little modification about red sea monastries hike, it will take 3-4 days
including transportation and visit time, expected budget is around  800-1000
pounds.
>
>
>
> --- In SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com, "gabi49" <gabi49@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Salma,
> >
> >  1- Siwa:
> >
> >  In its simplest visit you can tour the monuments (Gebel el Mawata, the
oracle temple, Amoun temple, Cleopatra spring) by a donkey cart in half day then
visit Shali, Fatanas island or taghaghein island for sunset. And have a desert
safari trip for the second day (the touristic one not that of the safarists :)
> >
> >  Expected budget 150 - 200 pounds/day for budget good accomodation food and
transportation, the safari trip for about 150 pounds.
> >
> >  2- Luxor and Aswan:
> >
> >  My personal opinion as much as you stay as much as you visit more places :)
> >  For Luxor, you have to go for a day visit to the western bank, visit Karnak
temple and luxor temple and a lot of other places. 2-4 days depends on the time
you want to spend there. Budget accomodation is around 50-70 pounds/night.
> >
> >  For the charming Aswan, a month is not enough :) (I love this city)
> >  The same as Luxor in budget and time, but not the places to visit :)
> >  You can visit the high dam, pheyala temple, Nubian museum, elephentine
island, the unfinished obelisk, have a day to Abu Simble (foreigners must join
the convoy), or explore the temples behind the Dam/around the lake :)
> >
> >  3- Red sea Monastries:
> >
> >  The hike From St. Antonious monastry to St. Bola monastry (easier than the
other direction as it is climbing down) is done in 2 days 1 night, should
respect the silence as there could be hermits around. I can organise this one if
you want. But still the limited number is preferred (not max. than 10-12
person).
> >
> >
> > Gabi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com, Salma <salma.khattab@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi SS,
> > >
> > > it's been a while since i posted anything in the forum. However, i take
the
> > > opportunity today to appeal to your extensive knowledge and generous
> > > assistance to help me organize a few trips:
> > > I would appreciate if you could email me for the destinations below the
best
> > > means of transportation (car, bus and its cost), an estimated budget (very
> > > low key trip, no luxuries), and the activities that can be done or sights
to
> > > be visited there while travelling alone and without a guide.
> > >
> > > 1- Siwa
> > > 2- Luxor and Aswan
> > >
> > > The other question is; i was discussing an interesting route with a
spanish
> > > friend of mine. We wanted to do a hike from Saint Antonios monastery (deir
> > > Mar Antonios near Zaafarana) to Saint Paul Monastery (Deir Mar Boulos near
> > > Hurghada).
> > > Can you help us plan it, or even make it an SS event - low cost if
possible-
> > > with the whole camping, climbing... etc? I was thinking of doing it end of
> > > February, for at least 4-5 days.
> > >
> > > I would really appreciate your input for these trips and looking forward
to
> > > your feedback!
> > >
> > > Thanks SS community!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Salma
> > >
> > > --- "Aspire to inspire before you expire"
> > >
> >
>

#20389

From: "ziz_az" <ziz_az@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:47 am
Subject: Maps of Egypt for the NUV Gps!

ziz_az

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Hello every one!
I am looking for a source for Maps for Egypt could be loaded on the NUV!
any ideas?
thanks in advance
AZIZ

#20388

From: mounir philips <mounir_philips@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

mounir_philips

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I know that at least 2 centers definatly deal with that:

* Vacsera @ Agouza.

* Poison control center @ Ain Shams University - Abbaseia - next to Demerdash.

There are definatly others, but I'm not sure about the exact location.

Be safe,

mounir

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Uli @ Cairo <gamousa@...> wrote:

From: Uli @ Cairo <gamousa@...>
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:47 AM

dear all who replied

thank you for all the information! Contradicting as it maybe in some
parts, the bottomline is clear: yes, there are very poisonous snakes in
Wadi Degla.
And they may be coming closer to where we are usually walking around due
to our expanding intrusion (new track near the canyon, if I understand
that correctly?)

So in then future, I will once more make sure that whoever is exploring
Degla with me follows the rules and does not let the kids run wild.
We have been discussing this issue often, how important it is for them
to know and respect nature.
I am re-reading tha book once more, Nature Deficit Syndrom, on how
limited contact with nature does impact children's development and their
understanding of the world.

I just want to make it clear, this snake was exactly next to the car
track, and my daughter was on my hand, trailing off the track with one
foot only (and no, not wearing sandals since in desert ...), and making
that big step OVER the grass patch precisely because she has been
thaught to never ever step INTO grassy patches or stick hands into bushes.
Even with all this precautions, we were simply lucky, thanks God.

And one last question: does anyone know which one would be the nearest
hospital to treat snakebites???

safe desert exploration to you all,
Uli (and Aisha)

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#20387

From: "Fatma Noureldeen" <elzahraa@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: Mutsafa Mahmoud's Books in English

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Dear SS,

I would like to know if the books of Mustafa Mahmoud are translated to English ..any hint how to get them if available ?

Thank you

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#20386

From: haythem sabry <h_m_sabry@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: el minia

h_m_sabry

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Dears,

I was one of the group who joined Allam in this wonderful trip to El-Menya, really it was a nice trip and great times we spent, thank you Allam for the organization and looking forward for your next trip to Dakhla, Kharga and Luxor. For myself i visited Luxor before 3 times and Kharja and Dakhla oasis twice each time with different perspective, i think this time we'll have a different route, different sites to see and different experiences to add. I do agree with what you said that there are a lot of hidden history treasures in our country can be seen by taking the paths least taken.

While we were in Menya i had a question to the guide leaded us throughout the two days regarding the tombs we visited in Menya (as most of the Mazarat were tombs from different Egyptian dynasties and mostly from the New Kingdom), most of the tombs we visited were in the east bank of the Nile, while for my knowledge, according to the ancient Egyptian religion, the east was thought of as a place of birth and growth, and the west was considered the place of death and that’s why old Egyptians usually bury their dead bodies (mummies) on the west bank (eg. Pyramids in Cairo and Valley of the Kings in Luxor) but in Menya it was different.

The guide's explanation was that there were no hills in this area in the west bank to dig their tombs so that’s why they dig it in the east, this explanation didn't convince me but I don't have any others.

Is there any other explanation?

Thanks and have a good day

Haytham

From: allamahmed <allamahmed@...>
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 3:59:32 AM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] el minia

Dear Safarists, as promised, here is our trip log documenting our exploration in minia and around it

Some Quick Numbers:

11 adults and 2 children were the members of this adventure

Car 1: Essam Hassan
his 2 beautiful daughters
his wife Eva & her sister

Car 2: Amir El Kenawy
Nihal Mansour
Gihan el Nemr

Car 3: Motaza Ali
Ahmed Allam
Haytham Sabry

Car 4: Essam Madmoud
Omar Essam Madmoud

a total of approx. 800 KMs was done in this trip

the temperature was ranging from 29-31 during the day and 9-11 during the night

the Average Gas consumption was 150 L.E per car = approx. 80 Litre

we left Cairo 10 pm Thursday and we were back 10 pm Saturday = exactly 48 hours

The Average Cost of the trip including hotel b&b + Gas Share Cost + guide tips + tickets etc... was almost 280 L.E per person

check more details about Minia in the article i added: http://www.saharasafaris.org/al-minia

Minia trip
----------

Thursday 5 November 2009

10:00 pm: Leave remaya square in moataz's car, already amir's car is 15 minutes ahead on the road, and essam hassan's car already reached el Minia before dark.
10:30 to 11:00 Stop at Total Gas station
12:00 meet amir car at sara rest house after kamin bani mazar
12:30 make left turn at samalut cuz the police station told us that "el kobri wege3" or in other words the bridge ahead is destroyed so we had to switch to the eastern side of the nile :) (we are now 200 km from cairo)
1:00 am: reach minia and the cross train mazla2an to cornaiche
1:15 arrive "Siva Nefertiti Coralia" hotel and take rooms 205 to 208 then unpack our stuff
1:45 we all go down for a walk on the nile and sit by the edge
2:30 group split moataz, gihan and haytham went to kfc, nihal to the hotel, and amir & me went exploring taha hussein st. and we found the only Ahwa and supermarket open at his time :)
3:30 back to the hotel and bed preps

Friday 6 november 2009
6:45 wake up calls
7:30 breakfast and Essam Mahmoud arrives in his frontera
8:30 gather in the lobby waiting to move
9:00 gas station amir 46 L.E essam hassan 40 L.E moataz 41 L.E
10:00 pick ahmed mostafa our guide for today from mallawi (40 km south minia) then pick khaled his colleague, continue south for another 20 kms
10:30 take the ferry (me3addeya) to the eastern bank till 10:45
11:00 Arrive to Tall el Amarna , head for the Northen cemeteries (ba-na7si, Meri-ra and Ahmosi) till 12:30 then drive to Stella (4 statues inside a big walled stone portrait marking the borders of akhet-aton, the capital of akhenaton, this was one of 14 others scattered all around Minia) then drive to royal cemetery 7 kms inside the mountain and down we go 1:00 to 1:30
Then Pass by 2 pillars which are the only remnants of the royal palace
2:20 southern tombs (we only visit AY's tomb) till 2:35 then road back to the ferry
3:00 wait for me3adeya and pass 3:20
Hurry hurry to tuna el gabal passing by ashmounin because we had to be there before 4 pm otherwise they would refuse to let us into the area so luckily arrive 3:59 sharp before closure
Start our tour by petosiris tomb then isadora funerary house containing her mummy, then down into the catacombs where thousands of ibis and baboun mummies were kept in jars, they represent te7out, god of this area, till 5 pm then go see the border plaque (stella) and amir's car has a slight gharza till 5:30
5:45 reach ashmounin road then go deep for 2 km till we reached the monumental open museum garden to be greeted by 2 huge baboon statues and many other pieces confiscated from monuments smugglers all diplayed in this open garden, then road to basilica we find it blocked due to underground water drainage operations, so drop ahmed and khaled our active guides at ashmounin near their houses 6:30 and head back to Minia
7:30 taha Hussein st. go to bondoka grill house and restaurant, eat till we r totally full
9:00 atoun hotel's tea garden have shisha and drinks (moataz nihal amir essam allam) and all others go to sleep
11:30 some of the group go to the hotel to sleep and others go shopping (allam gihan amir essam) then go to souk at palace square (downtown) then cross the bridge to new Minia and over the mountain to see the beautiful view of Minia and the nile from up there
1:30 drop essam and gihan at the hotel and go ahwa me and amir
3:00 back to the hotel hotel try to sleep till 4:30

Saturday 7 november
8:40 breakfast and talk then I go meet the manager to conclude our hotel bill, and then have a quick dip in the swimming pool
10:30 ahmed mostafa our guide comes and waits down at the reception till we all gather
11:00 gather in front of hotel to move and many delays as search for gas and tawahan around the city a bit
11:50 finally leave Minia to east by the bridge then south towards Benni Hassan
12:10 zawyet el soltan (amwat) +remenants of a pyramid + cemetery till 12:45
1:00 establ antar (old mines and temple) to 1:30
Then bani hassan 1:45
2:00 start bani hassan site by kheti tomb, 2:20 bakhet tomb , 2:40 khenum 7otob tomb, 3:00 amenme7at tomb, they are all famous by the wall drawings showing all aspects of daily life for pharaoes specially ALL the wrestling moves, centuries later the roman wrestling took all these moves to create this sport, which is a very rare and very nice documentation in these tombs and all the vivid colors are still preserved
then down to the rest house to freshen up
3:20 leave to minia and essam Hassan splits here to take the road to Cairo early
4:10 minia bridge pass over it to drop ahmed in minia and tawahan inside the town a bit
4:30 back to the eastern side, take the road north to cairo and deir el adra located 20 kms north-east of Minia
5:30 arrive to deir el adra at gabal el teir, we were rewarded with a GREAT sunset from the top of the mountain in front of the ancient church there
5:45 take the dusty road back till we get out to the main road 5:55
7:00 arrive at kamin beni suef and head into the town itself
7:15 arrive into new beni suef town on the eastern side of the nile, at this point we got split by the crowded streets and we got lost 
Gas station 7:25 we meet all again amir 79 LE moataz 74 LE, discuss our route back to Cairo and exchange drivers
7:45 eat koshari to 8:15 then hit the road to east again, drive around till we find the start of koraymat new road to Cairo
8:45 stop at koraymat toll station and emergency bathroom stop for the girls
9:00 road to Cairo and arrive to tebbin-helwan and the very far end of Autostrade road
10:10 exchange passengers and bye

Well i hope you enjoyed our story, i know it is a bit close to a police report with all these exact timings and so, but this log was documented step by step and on time during our tours, again hope you enjoy it,

After all the fun and adventure we had, i am thinking seriously of another exploration trip (Maybe during Eid el Adha's vacation) including more forgotten areas and paths less taken.
I am proud to say i've been around a lot of our country's monuments, but still there are areas and places rarely visited, either because they are hard to reach, or not listed in the usual tour guides' trips.

My thoughts wandered towards AL KHARGA oasis, DANDARA & ABIDUS temples between Sohag and Qena, and if we have more time we could also see the RAMSIUM and CITY of HABU, i am ashamed to say i have been to Luxor more than 8 times and EACH time i don't get to see those 2 places either due to lack of time or because the tour guides were always in a hurry and insisted these locations are an hour OFF the road and not worth the visit (totally untrue according to what i've heard)

i am waiting for enthusiastic Safarists who might be interested in this trip, of course you have to be free during the Eid vacation, and you have to be Crazy AND Restless to join this trip, if not available during the Eid at least tell me for later when we decide to go for it, so any volunteers so far? :D

BEST WISHES to our national Football Team in Sudan, i witnessed Egypt in Italy 90, 20 years ago, and i really hope to witness it again :)

Dr. Ahmed Allam
Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
+2 010 520 9179

Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...

#20385

From: Shaimaa Ahmed <shaimaa_h_ahmed@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:06 am
Subject: World Trade Youth (14-19 years old)

shaimaa_h_ahmed

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Hi

I hope you share this email amony your young students and relatives. if any of them is interested, please email tara@...

Thanks

Shaimaa Ahmed

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Tara Arthur <arthur.tara@...>
To: shaimaa_h_ahmed@...
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 7:53:37 AM
Subject: World Trade Youth

Hi Friends!

If you are or know a young person between 14-19 years old that is interested in international issues, business, entrepreneurship, politics, the environment or social change please tell them to visit www.wtyi.org and sign up for our International Youth Network. All they have to do is visit www.wtyi.org and click “Join the youth network” and they will be directed to a short form; after it is received and reviewed they will get an e-mail with an invitation to the youth network. Once their profile is created and approved, by the network administrator, they will be linked into the WTY network (it’s fun and easy!). I am also attaching an informational flyer to this message. We look forward to engaging with the many talented youth in your networks!

Tara-

World Trade Youth: A thriving, committed, dynamic group of young people supported in efforts to have positive impact on their world through virtual (high tech) and live (high touch) forums.

World Trade Youth (WTY) originally created and endorsed by Loudoun Youth Inc. in partnership with World Trade Center-Dulles Airport connects diverse youth from across the globe in an effort to learn and work together to solve immediate problems and prevent future conflicts. World Trade Youth’s main programs include, an annual World Trade Youth Conference, the e-Youth Initiative, and the International Youth Network.

These programs assist each other in establishing a dialogue with a curriculum focused on:

identifying global common problems, opportunities, and priorities
seeking and fostering solutions
understanding each others’ individual challenges, priorities, and concerns
creating the greater good for all people of the world
solving problems and discovering wise public policy and visionary infrastructure that will take the world into the future

For more information please visit us at www.wtyi.org

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From: Amr Maghrabi <amrmaghrabi@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:56 am
Subject: Re: H1N1 Vaccine

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The 1918 Influenza Epidemic was a Vaccine-caused Disease

thanks Hatem for your post.

Here is some more info about vaccinations
http://www.stopthevax.com/VaccinationCrisis.html

"Ready to Blow Your Mind?"

Okay, below is a MUST READ! excerpt from a book titled Vaccination: The Silent Killer by Honorof and E. McBean. This short article ,which was posted by Dr. Rebecca Carley, shows that the devastating Spanish Flu of 1918 was ignited by a military vaccine program which then extended to full eruption with a public vaccination program which killed 20 million (some say 50-150 million) people worldwide. Only the countries that opted OUT of the vaccine program escaped a Spanish flu pandemic. hmmm?

And here is a nice easy snapshot of the 150 year history of vaccines and their deadly effects. This is handy for sharing with others.

And here's a touch of disconcerting info: there was a leaked document in the UK from the Health Protection Agency warning 600 neurologists to be on the lookout for increased brain disorders due to the Swine Flu Vaccination!

And they want to force this on the public??? Yeah, right.

Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. The doctors told the people that the disease was caused by germs.. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been blamed. Germs, bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other invisible organisms are the scapegoats, which the doctors like to blame for the things they do not understand. If the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis and treatment, and kills the patient, he can always blame it on the germs, and say the patient didn’t get an early diagnosis and come to him in time.

If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly.

It was a shorter war than the vaccine-makers had planned on, only about a year for us, so the vaccine promoters had a lot of unused, spoiling vaccines left over which they wanted to sell at a good profit. So they did what they usually do, they called a meeting behind closed doors, and plotted the whole sordid program, a nationwide (worldwide) vaccination drive using all their vaccines, and telling the people that the soldiers were coming home with many dread diseases contracted in foreign countries and that it was the patriotic duty of every man, woman and child to get "protected" by rushing down to the vaccination centers and having all the shots.

Most people believe their doctors and government officials, and do what they say. The result was, that almost the entire population submitted to the shots without question, and it was only a matter of hours until people began dropping dead in agony, while many others collapsed with a disease of such virulence that no one had ever seen anything like it before. They had all the characteristics of the diseases they had been vaccinated against, the high fever, chills, pain, cramps, diarrhea, etc. of typhoid, and the pneumonia like lung and throat congestion of diphtheria and the vomiting, headache, weakness and misery of hepatitis from the jungle fever shots, and the outbreak of sores on the skin from the smallpox shots, along with paralysis from all the shots, etc.

The doctors were baffled, and claimed they didn’t know what caused the strange and deadly disease, and they certainly had no cure. They should have known the underlying cause was the vaccinations, because the same thing happened to the soldiers after they had their shots at camp. The typhoid fever shots caused a worse form of the disease, which they called para-typhoid. Then they tried to suppress the symptoms of that one with a stronger vaccine, which caused a still more serious disease, which killed and disabled a great many men. The combination of all the poison vaccines fermenting together in the body, caused such violent reactions that they could not cope with the situation. Disaster ran rampant in the camps. Some of the military hospitals were filled with nothing but paralyzed soldiers, and they were called war casualties, even before they left American soil. I talked to some of the survivors of that vaccine onslaught when they
returned home after the war, and they told of the horrors, not of the war itself, and battles, but of the sickness at camp.

The doctors didn’t want this massive vaccine disease to reflect on them, so they, agreed among themselves to call it Spanish Influenza. Spain was a far away place and some of the soldiers had been there, so the idea of calling it Spanish Influenza seemed to be a good way to lay the blame on someone else. The Spanish resented having us name the world scourge on them. They knew the flu didn’t originate in their country.

20,000,000 died of that flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few other countries, which did not accept the vaccines, were the only ones that were not hit by the flu. Doesn’t that prove something?

At home (in the U.S.) the situation was the same; the only ones who escaped the influenza were those who had refused the vaccinations. My family and 1 were among the few who persisted in refusing the high pressure sales propaganda, and none of us had the flu not even a sniffle, in spite of the fact that it was all around us, and in the bitter cold of winter.

Everyone seemed to have it. The whole town was down sick and dying. The hospitals were closed because the doctors and nurses were down with the flu. Everything was closed, schools, businesses, post office everything.. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. There were no doctors to care for the sick, so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to help the stricken in any way they could. They spent all day and part of the night for weeks, in the sick rooms, and came home only to eat and sleep. If germs or viruses, bacteria, or any other little organisms were the cause of that disease, they had plenty of opportunity to latch onto my parents and "lay them low" with the disease that had prostrated the world. But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so they didn’t "catch" it. I have talked to a few other people since that time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots, and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never had any of them. Common sense tells us that all those toxic vaccines all mixed up together in people, could not help but cause extreme body-poisoning and poisoning of some kind or another is usually the cause of disease.

Whenever a person coughs or sneezes, most people cringe, thinking that the germs are being spread around in the air and will attack people. There is no need to fear those germs any more, because that is not the way colds are developed. Germs can’t live apart from the cells (host) and can’t do harm anyway, even if they wanted to. They have no teeth to bite anyone, no poison pouches like snakes, mosquitoes or bees, and do not multiply, except in decomposed substances, so they are helpless to harm. As stated before, their purpose is useful, not destructive.

The 1918 flu was the most devastating disease we ever had, and it brought forth all the medical bag of tricks to quell it, but those added drugs, all of which are poisons, only intensified the over-poisoned condition of the people, so the treatments actually killed more than the flu did.

From: Hatem El Ghamry <hatemelghamry@...>
To: Hatem El Ghamry <hatemelghamry@...>
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 7:19:33 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] H1N1 Vaccine

This is really serious, we need to be very cautious; check out the link hereunder

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nTgyakGAddM

#20383

From: Amr Maghrabi <amrmaghrabi@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:40 am
Subject: Re: Positive Vibe - on Love

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from my understanding Rumi has effected and was effected by one of the four asian sufi schools (the Sahrawardeya school, there is a connection with the whirling dervishes in Konya, the silsila of the sahrawardeya sufi order goes back to Ali and the prophet ) the 3 other schools are the Shishteya (the oldest asian school, started in herat in afghanistan and using silent meditation and deviation from power, silsila going back to Ali and the prophet) the Qadiriya (the second oldest school with branches in china, india, south africa and iran and with a silsila going to the ahlul bayt(7 imams), imam Ali and the Prophet) and the Naqshbendeya (the only school with a silsila going back to Abu bakr el sidiq instead of imam/calipha Ali but including the 6th imam Ja3far el Sidiq)

From: ananda rama <aanandaramaa@...>
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 3:16:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Love

Hallo Monir,

Yes you are so true in what you write. Recently I was asked about Rumi being known here in Egypt but I could not answer... Defenitely his books should be available to the masses.

Didi

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Love
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:35 PM

Brilliant Mabrouk...

please also allow me to add that even if Gibran's "The Prophet" is not the second highest selling book in the states, I have read more than once that Rumi IS the second highest selling poet in the States after Shakespere.

Like Gibran, Rumi's poems have been used in several occasions in a lot of movies and albums, and his famous "Desire" is one of the most successful tracks of the Buddha Bar series. (the song originaly appeared in Deepak Chopra's Album "Gift of Love", which was dedicated to Rumi.

Yet unfortunately, not a lot of people in the Arab world are familiar with Rumi (except the Sufi's) and if you go to any Arabic bookshop, it is very difficult to find any of his books translated to Arabic (as they were originally written in Persian).

Maybe it is about time for us to know shed some light on some of the POSITIVE /ENLIGHTENED people who have graced (or descended from) this part of the world....and they are many...

now I'll leave you with the "Desire" piece..I'm sure you'll find it familiar...

A lover knows only humility, he has no choice.
He steals into your alley at night, he has no choice.
He longs to kiss every lock of your hair, don't fret,
he has no choice.
In his frenzied love for you, he longs to break the chains of his imprisonment,
he has no choice.

A lover asked his beloved:
- Do you love yourself more than you love me?
Beloved replied: I have died to myself and I live for you.
I've disappeared from myself and my attributes,
I am present only for you.
I've forgotten all my learnings,
but from knowing you I've become a scholar.
I've lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.

I love myself...I love you.
I love you...I love myself.

I am your lover, come to my side,
I will open the gate to your love.
Come settle with me, let us be neighbors to the stars.
You have been hiding so long, endlessly drifting in the sea of my love.
Even so, you have always been connected to me.
Concealed, revealed, in the unknown, in the un-manifest.
I am life itself.

You have been a prisoner of a little pond,
I am the ocean and its turbulent flood.
Come merge with me,
leave this world of ignorance.
Be with me, I will open the gate to your love.

I desire you more than food or drink
My body my senses my mind hunger for your taste
I can sense your presence in my heart
although you belong to all the world
I wait with silent passion for one gesture one glance
from you.

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."

Course in Miracles

www.the-vision. net

From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.

But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.

You would know in words that which you have always known in thought..

You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.

The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;

And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes..

But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;

And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.

For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth.."

Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."

For the soul walks upon all paths.

The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.

The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.

-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...

on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."

Course in Miracles

www.the-vision. net

Gibran Khalil Gibran

On Pleasure

...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"

Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,

But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.

For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,

And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,

And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.

Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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#20382

From: "The Egyptian Chronicles" <the_egyptian_chronicles@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:46 pm
Subject: THE 'FAT MAP': PUTTING WORLD HUNGER INTO PERSPECTIVE

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Hunger now scars the lives of over 1 billion people -- a new record. Today, Monday the 16th, world leaders will gather at a UN food summit in Rome to debate what to do about it. As a former Goodwill Ambassador for the World Food Program, I sense how the meeting may go. There will be more media attention on the politicians than on the issues, an abundance of speeches, and a series of oddly fancy luncheons -- with more speeches. At a similar luncheon, I remember wondering: What if I could magically transfer the 1000 calories in this vanilla souffle in front of me to a malnourished child begging in the slums of Nairobi? Sharing the extra calories eaten in the United States or Europe alone would end hunger in Africa.

These gratifying fantasies highlight some terrible inequities in how the world handles its food supply. In 2006, the World Food Program produced, but never publicly released, a map charting food consumption. Dubbed the "Fat Map," it shows where the world's calories go. Nations grow or shrink based on how much the average person eats. Depending on your perspective, it maps starvation or overeating.

Per capita calorie consumption on a nation by nation basis, compiled and produced by the World Food Program

The mis-distribution of food goes deeper than even the "Fat Map" implies. In India, for example, more than 300 million overweight people coexist with another 300 million who starve. Chronic diseases like diabetes and heart disease that often stem from overeating are growing at a far faster rate in developing countries than in the more prosperous West. In my own region, the Middle East, obesity is skyrocketing, especially among young people.

In 2007-2008, a global food crisis surprised us as prices soared. But would the crisis have been as severe if we were not so accustomed to wasting the food we have?

Globally we are moving to an "energy morality" with young people lobbying against wasting energy -- yet there is no "food morality" even though food is organic energy. We sit by and watch each other overeat and discard food without a thought. Extravagant overindulgence is viewed as hospitality and many assume that being a good parent requires that we force feed those we love.

Eating is even a competitive sport. Earlier this year in Taiwan, a binge-eating contest claimed the life of a 23 year-old student. Each Fourth of July in New York, a young man named Joey Chestnut takes on his Japanese archrival Takeru Kobayashi at a hot dog eating contest -- last year Joey wolfed down 68 hotdogs in 10 minutes -- more than a week's supply of calories for a hungry African. At one point, Kobayashi even had a hot dog eating contest with a large brown bear -- a bizarre hit on YouTube:

We pay dearly for this overconsumption. Recent calculations set obesity-related health spending just in the United States at $150-$200 billion -- more than all foreign aid worldwide. The cost of extra medical care for the obese runs as high as $1400 per person annually. Over 2 billion people do not earn that much in a year.

Food losses are another reflection of our embrace of excess. Each year, food waste costs the average Briton over 400 UK pounds per year, while US households lose or discard 14 percent of their food. America's supermarkets and restaurants discard another 27 million tons. Adding farm and wholesale losses brings the annual bill to over $100 billion just in the US. Similar figures would, no doubt, emerge from analyzing losses in the European Union and I suspect the Gulf States as well.

While initiatives emerge to tax unhealthy food, improve nutrition education and label foods to show the carbon footprint required to produce them, there is no broad public embrace of the need to eat less and eat responsibly. Retailers and restaurants still sell food in portion sizes and packages encouraging excess eating and waste.

It is time to recognize the energy, health, and productivity losses we incur from consuming and wasting so much food. Public health campaigns worldwide -- including in the Gulf States -- now promote the message that excess weight and lack of physical activity is linked to heart disease, type 2 diabetes, strokes, and some types of cancer. Is anyone listening? Well, after years of increases, the Center for Disease Control in the US found that levels of obesity have finally begun to level off.

Would cutting overeating and waste really change the contours of the "Fat Map"? Not by itself. The UN estimates we need $30 billion more invested in agriculture yearly. But each of us can consume more wisely and donate food we now waste to a food bank or charity. If it makes sense to save energy, why throw away billions of dollars worth of food and overeat until it endangers our health and our future?

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#20381

From: "The Egyptian Chronicles" <the_egyptian_chronicles@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:20 pm
Subject: THE WORLD'S MOST CORRUPT COUNTRIES.. SEE WHERE EGYPT IS RANKED

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The Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) table shows a country's ranking and score, the number of surveys used to determine the score, and the confidence range of the scoring.
The rank shows how one country compares to others included in the index. The CPI score indicates the perceived level of public-sector corruption in a country/territory.
The CPI is based on 13 independent surveys. However, not all surveys include all countries. The surveys used column indicates how many surveys were relied upon to determine the score for that country.
The confidence range indicates the reliability of the CPI scores and tells us that allowing for a margin of error, we can be 90% confident that the true score for this country lies within this range.

Rank	Country/Territory	CPI 2009 Score	Surveys Used	Confidence Range
1	New Zealand	9.4	6	9.1 - 9.5
2	Denmark	9.3	6	9.1 - 9.5
3	Singapore	9.2	9	9.0 - 9.4
3	Sweden	9.2	6	9.0 - 9.3
5	Switzerland	9.0	6	8.9 - 9.1
6	Finland	8.9	6	8.4 - 9.4
6	Netherlands	8.9	6	8.7 - 9.0
8	Australia	8.7	8	8.3 - 9.0
8	Canada	8.7	6	8.5 - 9.0
8	Iceland	8.7	4	7.5 - 9.4
11	Norway	8.6	6	8.2 - 9.1
12	Hong Kong	8.2	8	7.9 - 8.5
12	Luxembourg	8.2	6	7.6 - 8.8
14	Germany	8.0	6	7.7 - 8.3
14	Ireland	8.0	6	7.8 - 8.4
16	Austria	7.9	6	7.4 - 8.3
17	Japan	7.7	8	7.4 - 8.0
17	United Kingdom	7.7	6	7.3 - 8.2
19	United States	7.5	8	6.9 - 8.0
20	Barbados	7.4	4	6.6 - 8.2
21	Belgium	7.1	6	6.9 - 7.3
22	Qatar	7.0	6	5.8 - 8.1
22	Saint Lucia	7.0	3	6.7 - 7.5
24	France	6.9	6	6.5 - 7.3
25	Chile	6.7	7	6.5 - 6.9
25	Uruguay	6.7	5	6.4 - 7.1
27	Cyprus	6.6	4	6.1 - 7.1
27	Estonia	6.6	8	6.1 - 6.9
27	Slovenia	6.6	8	6.3 - 6.9
30	United Arab Emirates	6.5	5	5.5 - 7.5
31	Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	6.4	3	4.9 - 7.5
32	Israel	6.1	6	5.4 - 6.7
32	Spain	6.1	6	5.5 - 6.6
34	Dominica	5.9	3	4.9 - 6.7
35	Portugal	5.8	6	5.5 - 6.2
35	Puerto Rico	5.8	4	5.2 - 6.3
37	Botswana	5.6	6	5.1 - 6.3
37	Taiwan	5.6	9	5.4 - 5.9
39	Brunei Darussalam	5.5	4	4.7 - 6.4
39	Oman	5.5	5	4.4 - 6.5
39	Korea (South)	5.5	9	5.3 - 5.7
42	Mauritius	5.4	6	5.0 - 5.9
43	Costa Rica	5.3	5	4.7 - 5.9
43	Macau	5.3	3	3.3 - 6.9
45	Malta	5.2	4	4.0 - 6.2
46	Bahrain	5.1	5	4.2 - 5.8
46	Cape Verde	5.1	3	3.3 - 7.0
46	Hungary	5.1	8	4.6 - 5.7
49	Bhutan	5.0	4	4.3 - 5.6
49	Jordan	5.0	7	3.9 - 6.1
49	Poland	5.0	8	4.5 - 5.5
52	Czech Republic	4.9	8	4.3 - 5.6
52	Lithuania	4.9	8	4.4 - 5.4
54	Seychelles	4.8	3	3.0 - 6.7
55	South Africa	4.7	8	4.3 - 4.9
56	Latvia	4.5	6	4.1 - 4.9
56	Malaysia	4.5	9	4.0 - 5.1
56	Namibia	4.5	6	3.9 - 5.1
56	Samoa	4.5	3	3.3 - 5.3
56	Slovakia	4.5	8	4.1 - 4.9
61	Cuba	4.4	3	3.5 - 5.1
61	Turkey	4.4	7	3.9 - 4.9
63	Italy	4.3	6	3.8 - 4.9
63	Saudi Arabia	4.3	5	3.1 - 5.3
65	Tunisia	4.2	6	3.0 - 5.5
66	Croatia	4.1	8	3.7 - 4.5
66	Georgia	4.1	7	3.4 - 4.7
66	Kuwait	4.1	5	3.2 - 5.1
69	Ghana	3.9	7	3.2 - 4.6
69	Montenegro	3.9	5	3.5 - 4.4
71	Bulgaria	3.8	8	3.2 - 4.5
71	FYR Macedonia	3.8	6	3.4 - 4.2
71	Greece	3.8	6	3.2 - 4.3
71	Romania	3.8	8	3.2 - 4.3
75	Brazil	3.7	7	3.3 - 4.3
75	Colombia	3.7	7	3.1 - 4.3
75	Peru	3.7	7	3.4 - 4.1
75	Suriname	3.7	3	3.0 - 4.7
79	Burkina Faso	3.6	7	2.8 - 4.4
79	China	3.6	9	3.0 - 4.2
79	Swaziland	3.6	3	3.0 - 4.7
79	Trinidad and Tobago	3.6	4	3.0 - 4.3
83	Serbia	3.5	6	3.3 - 3.9
84	El Salvador	3.4	5	3.0 - 3.8
84	Guatemala	3.4	5	3.0 - 3.9
84	India	3.4	10	3.2 - 3.6
84	Panama	3.4	5	3.1 - 3.7
84	Thailand	3.4	9	3.0 - 3.8
89	Lesotho	3.3	6	2.8 - 3.8
89	Malawi	3.3	7	2.7 - 3.9
89	Mexico	3.3	7	3.2 - 3.5
89	Moldova	3.3	6	2.7 - 4.0
89	Morocco	3.3	6	2.8 - 3.9
89	Rwanda	3.3	4	2.9 - 3.7
95	Albania	3.2	6	3.0 - 3.3
95	Vanuatu	3.2	3	2.3 - 4.7
97	Liberia	3.1	3	1.9 - 3.8
97	Sri Lanka	3.1	7	2.8 - 3.4
99	Bosnia and Herzegovina	3.0	7	2.6 - 3.4
99	Dominican Republic	3.0	5	2.9 - 3.2
99	Jamaica	3.0	5	2.8 - 3.3
99	Madagascar	3.0	7	2.8 - 3.2
99	Senegal	3.0	7	2.5 - 3.6
99	Tonga	3.0	3	2.6 - 3.3
99	Zambia	3.0	7	2.8 - 3.2
106	Argentina	2.9	7	2.6 - 3.1
106	Benin	2.9	6	2.3 - 3.4
106	Gabon	2.9	3	2.6 - 3.1
106	Gambia	2.9	5	1.6 - 4.0
106	Niger	2.9	5	2.7 - 3.0
111	Algeria	2.8	6	2.5 - 3.1
111	Djibouti	2.8	4	2.3 - 3.2
111	Egypt	2.8	6	2.6 - 3.1
111	Indonesia	2.8	9	2.4 - 3.2
111	Kiribati	2.8	3	2.3 - 3.3
111	Mali	2.8	6	2.4 - 3.2
111	Sao Tome and Principe	2.8	3	2.4 - 3.3
111	Solomon Islands	2.8	3	2.3 - 3.3
111	Togo	2.8	5	1.9 - 3.9
120	Armenia	2.7	7	2.6 - 2.8
120	Bolivia	2.7	6	2.4 - 3.1
120	Ethiopia	2.7	7	2.4 - 2.9
120	Kazakhstan	2.7	7	2.1 - 3.3
120	Mongolia	2.7	7	2.4 - 3.0
120	Vietnam	2.7	9	2.4 - 3.1
126	Eritrea	2.6	4	1.6 - 3.8
126	Guyana	2.6	4	2.5 - 2.7
126	Syria	2.6	5	2.2 - 2.9
126	Tanzania	2.6	7	2.4 - 2.9
130	Honduras	2.5	6	2.2 - 2.8
130	Lebanon	2.5	3	1.9 - 3.1
130	Libya	2.5	6	2.2 - 2.8
130	Maldives	2.5	4	1.8 - 3.2
130	Mauritania	2.5	7	2.0 - 3.3
130	Mozambique	2.5	7	2.3 - 2.8
130	Nicaragua	2.5	6	2.3 - 2.7
130	Nigeria	2.5	7	2.2 - 2.7
130	Uganda	2.5	7	2.1 - 2.8
139	Bangladesh	2.4	7	2.0 - 2.8
139	Belarus	2.4	4	2.0 - 2.8
139	Pakistan	2.4	7	2.1 - 2.7
139	Philippines	2.4	9	2.1 - 2.7
143	Azerbaijan	2.3	7	2.0 - 2.6
143	Comoros	2.3	3	1.6 - 3.3
143	Nepal	2.3	6	2.0 - 2.6
146	Cameroon	2.2	7	1.9 - 2.6
146	Ecuador	2.2	5	2.0 - 2.5
146	Kenya	2.2	7	1.9 - 2.5
146	Russia	2.2	8	1.9 - 2.4
146	Sierra Leone	2.2	5	1.9 - 2.4
146	Timor-Leste	2.2	5	1.8 - 2.6
146	Ukraine	2.2	8	2.0 - 2.6
146	Zimbabwe	2.2	7	1.7 - 2.8
154	C�te d�Ivoire	2.1	7	1.8 - 2.4
154	Papua New Guinea	2.1	5	1.7 - 2.5
154	Paraguay	2.1	5	1.7 - 2.5
154	Yemen	2.1	4	1.6 - 2.5
158	Cambodia	2.0	8	1.8 - 2.2
158	Central African Republic	2.0	4	1.9 - 2.2
158	Laos	2.0	4	1.6 - 2.6
158	Tajikistan	2.0	8	1.6 - 2.5
162	Angola	1.9	5	1.8 - 1.9
162	Congo Brazzaville	1.9	5	1.6 - 2.1
162	Democratic Republic of Congo	1.9	5	1.7 - 2.1
162	Guinea-Bissau	1.9	3	1.8 - 2.0
162	Kyrgyzstan	1.9	7	1.8 - 2.1
162	Venezuela	1.9	7	1.8 - 2.0
168	Burundi	1.8	6	1.6 - 2.0
168	Equatorial Guinea	1.8	3	1.6 - 1.9
168	Guinea	1.8	5	1.7 - 1.8
168	Haiti	1.8	3	1.4 - 2.3
168	Iran	1.8	3	1.7 - 1.9
168	Turkmenistan	1.8	4	1.7 - 1.9
174	Uzbekistan	1.7	6	1.5 - 1.8
175	Chad	1.6	6	1.5 - 1.7
176	Iraq	1.5	3	1.2 - 1.8
176	Sudan	1.5	5	1.4 - 1.7
178	Myanmar	1.4	3	0.9 - 1.8
179	Afghanistan	1.3	4	1.0 - 1.5
180	Somalia	1.1	3	0.9 - 1.4

#20380

From: ananda rama <aanandaramaa@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: Positive Vibe - on Love

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Hallo Monir,

Yes you are so true in what you write. Recently I was asked about Rumi being known here in Egypt but I could not answer... Defenitely his books should be available to the masses.

Didi

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From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@...>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Love
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:35 PM

Brilliant Mabrouk...

please also allow me to add that even if Gibran's "The Prophet" is not the second highest selling book in the states, I have read more than once that Rumi IS the second highest selling poet in the States after Shakespere.

Like Gibran, Rumi's poems have been used in several occasions in a lot of movies and albums, and his famous "Desire" is one of the most successful tracks of the Buddha Bar series. (the song originaly appeared in Deepak Chopra's Album "Gift of Love", which was dedicated to Rumi.

Yet unfortunately, not a lot of people in the Arab world are familiar with Rumi (except the Sufi's) and if you go to any Arabic bookshop, it is very difficult to find any of his books translated to Arabic (as they were originally written in Persian).

Maybe it is about time for us to know shed some light on some of the POSITIVE /ENLIGHTENED people who have graced (or descended from) this part of the world....and they are many...

now I'll leave you with the "Desire" piece..I'm sure you'll find it familiar...

A lover knows only humility, he has no choice.
He steals into your alley at night, he has no choice.
He longs to kiss every lock of your hair, don't fret,
he has no choice.
In his frenzied love for you, he longs to break the chains of his imprisonment,
he has no choice.

A lover asked his beloved:
- Do you love yourself more than you love me?
Beloved replied: I have died to myself and I live for you.
I've disappeared from myself and my attributes,
I am present only for you.
I've forgotten all my learnings,
but from knowing you I've become a scholar.
I've lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.

I love myself...I love you.
I love you...I love myself.

I am your lover, come to my side,
I will open the gate to your love.
Come settle with me, let us be neighbors to the stars.
You have been hiding so long, endlessly drifting in the sea of my love.
Even so, you have always been connected to me.
Concealed, revealed, in the unknown, in the un-manifest.
I am life itself.

You have been a prisoner of a little pond,
I am the ocean and its turbulent flood.
Come merge with me,
leave this world of ignorance.
Be with me, I will open the gate to your love.

I desire you more than food or drink
My body my senses my mind hunger for your taste
I can sense your presence in my heart
although you belong to all the world
I wait with silent passion for one gesture one glance
from you.

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."

Course in Miracles

www.the-vision. net

From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.

But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.

You would know in words that which you have always known in thought..

You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.

The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;

And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.

But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;

And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.

For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."

For the soul walks upon all paths.

The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.

The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.

-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...

on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."

Course in Miracles

www.the-vision. net

Gibran Khalil Gibran

On Pleasure

...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"

Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,

But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.

For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,

And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,

And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.

Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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#20379

From: Yvonne Hanna <yvonnemaryhanna@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:33 pm
Subject: Khan Academy

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Dear Sahara Safari Members,  The following may be of interest.  Best wishes,
Yvonne

Website: www.khanacademy.org

The Khan Academy is a remarkable, one-person effort to educate the World.
Salman Khan has produced over 900 videos on YouTube with 6
million views-covering everything from basic arithmetic to
calculus, chemistry, and physics. Continuing to produce
several hundred videos a year, Salman intends to provide
instruction in all subjects to anyone, anywhere.

Millions of students around the world lack access to high
quality instruction, especially in the sciences and math.
The Khan Academy provides it for free in a way that can be
accessed on-demand at a student's own pace.

The videos are directly teaching tens of thousands of
students on every continent on a daily basis. Other
non-profit groups have even begun distributing off-line
versions of the library to rural and underserved areas in
Asia, Latin America, and Africa.

#20378

From: haythem sabry <h_m_sabry@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

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The most common Horned Viper live in Egyptian deserts in a nutshell with pics:

Scientific name: Cerastes
Common Name: Sahara Horned Viper
Arabic Common Name: Al-Touraisha "طريشة"
Homeland: desert
Countries: Middle East & North Africa
Length: 30-60 cm
Color: yellow, brown and gray with degrees

From: youmna khalil <d_of_the_nile@...>
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 10:30:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Dear all,

I saw a small snake once next an old construction site? any idea what types live in urban areas?

In addition, can someone send pictures of the species in Egypt?

thanks

From: Karim Kamal <karim.kamal@ vodafone. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 5:53:48 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Hi,

It would be great if some group members could share pictures of the different snakes along with their names (species).

Thanks

Karim

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From: angie guindi <angieelguindi@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:27 am
Subject: snakes of egypt

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http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/snakesofegypt.htm

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1a.: Re: Sinai accommodation in Eid..

Posted by: "Amira ElDahman" amira_eldahman@... amira_eldahman

Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:41 am (PST)

Dear Khaled,
Â
IÂ recommend Rock Sea camp in Nowiba it is a very good camp with huts right on the beach i don't know if you will find places during Eid vacation but call them and see.
Â
contacts:
Â
Phone number: 0108478587
Website: http://www.rocksea. net/
Â
regards

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com>
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..
To: "SaharaSafaris" <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:43 AM

Â

Hi,

I'm planning to go to Sinai during Eid, and I'm interested to know places forÂ accommodationÂ in:

- Nabq
- Dahab
- Nuwebei
- Taba

Preferably the place would be a lodge with huts or huts-like and not a hotel, and should be right on the beach.

Names of such places and contact numbers or websites are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Khaled

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1b.: Re: Sinai accommodation in Eid..

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Khaled and Amira,

We don't have Nuweiba, Naba, or Taba yet, but here is Dahab:
http://saharasafari s.org/dahab

If you guys have something to update, please go ahead and edit the Dahab article directly to your delight. :) Let me know if you need help with this easy system.

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

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From: Amira ElDahman <amira_eldahman@ yahoo.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:22:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..

Dear Khaled,

I recommend Rock Sea camp in Nowiba it is a very good camp with huts right on the beach i don't know if you will find places during Eid vacation but call them and see.

contacts:

Phone number: 0108478587
Website: http://www.rocksea. net/

regards

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com> wrote:

>From: Khaled Reda <khaledreda@gmail. com>
>Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..
>To: "SaharaSafaris" <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
>Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:43 AM
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>
>I'm planning to go to Sinai during Eid, and I'm interested to know places for accommodation in:
>
>
>- Nabq
>- Dahab
>- Nuwebei
>- Taba
>
>
>Preferably the place would be a lodge with huts or huts-like and not a hotel, and should be right on the beach.
>
>
>Names of such places and contact numbers or websites are much appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Khaled
>
>

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1c.: Re: Sinai accommodation in Eid..

Posted by: "Astrid Quast" astridquast@... astridquast

Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 am (PST)

Hello,

there is the Magana Camp about 8km north from Nuweiba, having a wonderful bay and huts right on the water. It has a homepage, showing some pictures: www.almagana. com. Its located right next to the Rock Sea Camp thats indeed very nice also, but actually booked for the Aid (i just talked to Ricarda yesterday). Anyway, Feysal, the owner of the Magana Camp will be happy to host you. His number is 0184190279. Note, as far as i know, a brand new bathroom is just finished ;-)

Have a nice stay in Sinai!

Best regards, Astrid

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> Gesendet: 16.11.09 19:55:43
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> Betreff: [SaharaSafaris] Sinai accommodation in Eid..

> Hi,
>
> I'm planning to go to Sinai during Eid, and I'm interested to know
> places for accommodation in:
>
> - Nabq
> - Dahab
> - Nuwebei
> - Taba
>
> Preferably the place would be a lodge with huts or huts-like and not
> a hotel, and should be right on the beach.
>
> Names of such places and contact numbers or websites are much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Khaled
>
>

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2a.: First Female Hiking Leader in Egypt - was: Hike: Secret Gardens on W

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:00 am (PST)

Dear Safarists,

Azza was formidable and strict for safety and comfort for the hiking group! :) Let me tell you that we always felt that things are all well-thought 'before' they happened. During the hike, she would stop the Guide (Awda) if she noticed that the trailing hiker are not finding the right trail for their feet or got distrated with something. She would get us on the Camp hot on setting its plan up and making people feel it's new home for the night. She has communicated well with the Bedouin Guide and her selfless behavior has been obvious as well trying to take care of plenty of things of her group to help them know what to do in this distinct "cultural-landscape " (Ø£Ø±Ø¶ Ù…ØªÙ…Ø§ÙŠØ²Ø© Ø§Ù„Ø«Ù‚Ø§Ù�Ø© ÙˆØ§Ù„Ø·Ø¨ÙŠØ¹Ø© Ø¹Ù…Ø§ ØÙˆÙ„Ù‡Ø§ Ø£Ùˆ --Ø¨Ø§Ø®ØªØµØ§Ø±-- "Ø£Ø±Ø¶ Ø¨Ø«Ù‚Ø§Ù�ØªÙ‡Ø§".Ø§Ù‡) which was novel to most of them!!

I believe Azza is the first female Leader to the Mountains Hikes ever! :) And she's an engineering student!!!!! !!!!! :)

Way to go, young lady!

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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From: Amr Turk <amrsfmt@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 10:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12 [5 Attachments]

[Attachment( s) from Amr Turk included below]

Dear All,

I would like to thank Azza for organizing this trip. It was really amazing. I appreciate her effort and leadership.

Here are some pictures that I wanted to share with you.

Looking forward to going on other hikes.

Regards,
Amro Tork

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From: Azza Hashem <azzouzza310@ hotmail.com>
To: saharasafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 6:04:49 AM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12

Dears,

I will be leading a weekendhiking trip to the Secret Gardens, South Sinai, two weeks from now. This trip is among the activities of the SaharaSafaris Youth Leadership Program led by Mabrouk.

The walk's brief could be found here:
http://www.sheikhsi na.com/english/ content/view/ 90/386/
Plan:

Weâ€™ll leave Cairo Thursday night 12th of November. Weâ€™ll spend the night at the Sheikh Mousa Bedouin Camp. The next morning weâ€™ll start our hike through three gardens owned by Bedouins. Weâ€™ll be back Saturday night.

Price: The cost of the overall trip will be around 350 (+- 25 %) LE for each person (Including beduion guide â€“ camel to carry our stuff â€“ Permissions and office fees - water supplies and food - accommodation in Orchards). This is a cooperative trip and we apply SaharaSafaris policies for leaders and gas sharing as in here:

http://saharasafari s.org/trips- guidelines

First timers are encouragedto join. For reasonable fitness, this is NOTa tough hike.In fact, without Mt Abbas this is quite an easy one if not relaxing.

Note: The Weather will be very cold at night. So be prepared. More on that and everything else during orientation (designed specifically for first-timers) .

Orientation: There will be an orientation for the hike this Monday 9 Nov, at 8 : 00 Pm till 9:30 at Cilantro Maadi, St.9. If you have done hikes before (with Mabrouk) then it is not mandatory to come to the orientation. Orientation is for your safety and max benefit so come with questions on the checklist knowing that we cannot take along those who haven't brought the right things.

Important Notes:
1. Orientation is open for anybody with interest in our hikes even if not coming this time
2. Every hiker has to study the Checklist on: http://saharasafari s.org/safaris- checklist

Reservations: Reservation is personal for you only. If you have friends who are confirming they have to reserve from their mobiles AFTER reading this announcement! This is VERY important please!
SMS me with your 100% confirmation on my cell phone (0105054377) . Make sure it's from your mobile to be able to reach you later. On SMS, please confirm that (1)you've studied the above Checklist, (2) if you're attending the orientation (3) that you've read this announcement, (4) how many seats available in your car (if bringing it), and (5)your name.

Best Regards,
>Azza Hahsem
>

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2b.: Re: First Female Hiking Leader in Egypt - was: Hike: Secret Gardens

Posted by: "Moustafa Megahed" moustafamegahed@... moustafa.megahed

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:28 am (PST)

Yeah! Azza was rocking mashallah :) and the whole group was awesome. I
really spent of the best weekends ever...

Thank you Azza for the lead. Thnx everyone who was there, all of you really
made a big difference :)

Cheers,
Mega

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Safarists,
>
> Azza was formidable and strict for safety and comfort for the hiking group!
> :) Let me tell you that we always felt that things are all well-thought
> 'before' they happened. During the hike, she would stop the Guide (Awda) if
> she noticed that the trailing hiker are not finding the right trail for
> their feet or got distrated with something. She would get us on the Camp hot
> on setting its plan up and making people feel it's new home for the night.
> She has communicated well with the Bedouin Guide and her
> selfless behavior has been obvious as well trying to take care of plenty of
> things of her group to help them know what to do in this distinct
> "cultural-landscape " (ÃÑÖ ãÊãÇíÒÉ ÇáËÞÇÝÉ æÇáØÈíÚÉ ÚãÇ ÍæáåÇ Ãæ --ÈÇÎÊÕÇÑ--
> "ÃÑÖ ÈËÞÇÝÊåÇ".Çå) which was novel to most of them!!
>
> I believe Azza is the first female Leader to the Mountains Hikes ever! :)
> And she's an engineering student!!!!! !!!!! :)
>
> Way to go, young lady!
>
> Salaam
> Mohamed Mabrouk
> www.SaharaSafaris. org
>
> -------
> I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up
> with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
> -------
>
>
> ------------ --------- ---------
> *From:* Amr Turk <amrsfmt@yahoo. com>
> *To:* SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Mon, November 16, 2009 10:29:56 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12
> [5 Attachments]
>
> [Attachment( s) <#1250271a8fc312d2_ TopText> from Amr Turk included below]
>
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to thank Azza for organizing this trip. It was really amazing.
> I appreciate her effort and leadership.
>
> Here are some pictures that I wanted to share with you.
>
> Looking forward to going on other hikes.
>
> Regards,
> Amro Tork
> ------------ --------- ---------
> *From:* Azza Hashem <azzouzza310@ hotmail.com>
> *To:* saharasafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Wed, November 4, 2009 6:04:49 AM
> *Subject:* [SaharaSafaris] Hike: Secret Gardens on Weekend of Nov 12
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dears,
>
> I will be leading a weekend hiking trip to the Secret Gardens, South
> Sinai, two weeks from now. This trip is among the activities of the SaharaSafaris
> Youth Leadership Program led by Mabrouk.
>
>
> The walk's brief could be found here:
> http://www.sheikhsi na.com/english/ content/view/ 90/386/<http://www.sheikhsi na.com/english/ content/view/ 90/386/>
>
>
> Plan:
>
> We’ll leave Cairo Thursday night 12th of November. We’ll spend the night
> at the Sheikh Mousa Bedouin Camp. The next morning we’ll start our hike
> through three gardens owned by Bedouins. We’ll be back Saturday night.
>
>
>
>
> Price: The cost of the overall trip will be around 350 (+- 25 %) LE for
> each person (Including beduion guide – camel to carry our stuff – Permissions
> and office fees - water supplies and food - accommodation in Orchards).
> This is a cooperative trip and we apply SaharaSafaris policies for leaders
> and gas sharing as in here:
> http://saharasafari s.org/trips- guidelines<http://saharasafari s.org/trips- guidelines>
>
>
> First timers are encouraged to join. For reasonable fitness, this is NOT a
> tough hike. In fact, without Mt Abbas this is quite an easy one if not
> relaxing.
>
>
> Note: The Weather will be very cold at night. So be prepared. More on
> that and everything else during orientation (designed specifically for
> first-timers) .
>
>
> Orientation: There will be an orientation for the hike this Monday 9 Nov,
> at 8 : 00 Pm till 9:30 at Cilantro Maadi, St.9. If you have done hikes
> before (with Mabrouk) then it is not mandatory to come to the orientation. Orientation
> is for your safety and max benefit so come with questions on the checklist
> knowing that we cannot take along those who haven't brought the right
> things.
>
> Important Notes:
>
>
> 1. Orientation is open for anybody with interest in our hikes even if
> not coming this time
> 2. Every hiker has to study the Checklist on: http://saharasafari
> s.org/safaris- checklist <http://saharasafari s.org/safaris- checklist>
>
>
> Reservations: Reservation is personal for you only. If you have friends
> who are confirming they have to reserve from their mobiles AFTER reading
> this announcement! This is VERY important please!
>
> SMS me with your 100% confirmation on my cell phone (0105054377) . Make
> sure it's from your mobile to be able to reach you later. On SMS, please
> confirm that (1)you've studied the above Checklist, (2) if you're attending
> the orientation (3) that you've read this announcement, (4) how many seats
> available in your car (if bringing it), and (5)your name.
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Azza Hahsem
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- ---------
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>
>
> Attachment(s) from Amr Turk
>
> 5 of 5 Photo(s)
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3a.: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Posted by: "mounir philips" mounir_philips@... mounir_philips

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:11 am (PST)

I appologize for the several mistakes, including the name of "Wadi 7ouf"

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, mounir philips <mounir_philips@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mounir philips <mounir_philips@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:23 AM

Dear Uli,
Thanks God for your safety.
* Short vipers are also lethal, and their poson can be deadly.
* As for its short Fangs, it is more dangerous if the bite is ib thin skin, and much less dangerous if in thick areas like the heel.
* For any poisonous bites, do NOT try to make cuts or suck the area by mouth. Try to keep the limb motionless and lower than the body. Apply a more central torniquet that is enough to stop the blood returning in the veins, but NOT the arteries (feel the pulse). If the swwelling around the bite reached the torniquet, DO NOT remove it, but add another one more central (closer to the heart).
* It is extremely important to return to a poison control center ASAP.
* The anidote (serum) is taken only under medical supervision, with anti-shock measures availably. (Hypersesitivity is almost 30%).

* I'm not sure scientifically about the recent distribution of different species, as all the references I read were too old, before all these expansions of constructions.
* Just as a historical interrest, Wadi 7ooh (before Helwan, not too far from Digla), means in old Egyptian language "Vally of the vipers"!!!!! !!!!

Have safe trips,
mounir

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Uli in Cairo <gamousa@gmail. com> wrote:

> From: Uli in Cairo <gamousa@gmail. com>
> Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla
> To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:33 PM
> good evening,
>
> and thank you for the quick feedback.
> I did some online research, too, and found that there are
> different types of horned vipers.
> Ours was the tiny version, not more than 50 to 60 cm long.
> From what I understood, that's the less dangerous one (and
> at home in places in direction of Suez CAnal).
> There is a bigger type, which is quoted to be 4 to 5 feet
> long, and said to be seriously dangerous.
>
> Ours was also pretty peaceful, we did not get too close to
> it, after we found it. I guess it did not feel too much
> threatened. No hissing or anything. More scared and 'playing
> dead'.
>
> As was mentioned, one should stay away from bushes and dry
> grass.
> For sure no touching for the kids - first rule to be
> learned and listened to when outdoors.
> But in our case, this was a dry tiny bush just next to the
> car track, and that snake was definitely trying to hide in
> there, for the very reason of about 50 people walking past
> nearby.
>
> I will do more research and next time take a picture too.
> In fact I shall ask whether anyone else in our group did
> take a picture, so maybe we can identify this creature
> beyond doubt.
>
> thank you again, good night,
> Uli
>
>
>
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>
> ------------ ----
> SAHARA EXPLORERS KNOW WHY GOLDEN AND BLUE ARE ANCIENT
> JEWELERS FAVOURITE CHOICE OF COLORS!
> ------------ ----
>
> www.SaharaSafaris. org
> (where Safarists store their knowledge in articles)Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
> Â Â SaharaSafaris- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com
>
>
>

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3b.: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Posted by: "Karim Kamal" karim.kamal@... kimo1976

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:25 am (PST)

Hi,

It would be great if some group members could share pictures of the different snakes along with their names (species).

Thanks

Karim

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3c.: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Posted by: "Uli @ Cairo" gamousa@... woanders

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:28 am (PST)

dear all who replied

thank you for all the information! Contradicting as it maybe in some
parts, the bottomline is clear: yes, there are very poisonous snakes in
Wadi Degla.
And they may be coming closer to where we are usually walking around due
to our expanding intrusion (new track near the canyon, if I understand
that correctly?)

So in then future, I will once more make sure that whoever is exploring
Degla with me follows the rules and does not let the kids run wild.
We have been discussing this issue often, how important it is for them
to know and respect nature.
I am re-reading tha book once more, Nature Deficit Syndrom, on how
limited contact with nature does impact children's development and their
understanding of the world.

I just want to make it clear, this snake was exactly next to the car
track, and my daughter was on my hand, trailing off the track with one
foot only (and no, not wearing sandals since in desert ...), and making
that big step OVER the grass patch precisely because she has been
thaught to never ever step INTO grassy patches or stick hands into bushes.
Even with all this precautions, we were simply lucky, thanks God.

And one last question: does anyone know which one would be the nearest
hospital to treat snakebites?? ?

safe desert exploration to you all,
Uli (and Aisha)

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3d.: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Posted by: "youmna khalil" d_of_the_nile@... D_of_the_nile

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Dear all,

I saw a small snake once next an old construction site? any idea what types live in urban areas?

In addition, can someone send pictures of the species in Egypt?

thanks

____________ _________ _________ __
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To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 5:53:48 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

Â
Hi,
It would be great if some group members could share pictures of the different snakes along with their names (species).
Thanks
Karim
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4a.: Re: Camera accessories needed

Posted by: "Hesham El-Sheikha" hsheikha@... hsheikha

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Dear,

* Filters: you need UV filter to protect the lens. Other filters will depend on what you want to do. The good ones (in terms of quality and price) are Hoya (http://www.hoyafilt er.com/) and Cokin (http://www.cokin. com/). For the last, you can contact El Shenawy Co. (21 Degla Str., Off Shehab Str. 33369136). You can check them for Nikon lenses too.
* Shoulder cases: check Tamrac (www.tamrac. com) and Lowepro (www.lowepro. com).Believe it or not, their prices in Dubai are cheaper than Amazon in USA. Grand Stores in UAE is where you can find them if you any body to bring from Dubai. for Tamrac in Egypt, call
Futur Company
Naser City, Cairo
Off Makram edid Str,
002012 2182995
E-mail edward_melikian@ hotmail.com

* Nikon Tele lens: also Sigma has good ones and cheaper than nikon. Check www.sigmaphoto. com. You can call El King (Mohamed 0127333223 / 0223925140) Borg Salma, Roshdt Str, Abdeen. He stocks the common things with good prices (higher than USA and cheaper than Dubai. See he gets his stuff from Asia). if you need something expensive but not available in his store, he can bring but you need to pay down payment.
* Longer Starps: Lowepro and Tamrac are making some good ones. You can check El-King also.

* There is Nikon agent (or it seems to be) 0237762062. But prices is much higher than El King

Good Luck!

Hesham

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:34:13 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed

Dear SSs

I am searching for some accessories for my Nikon D-90 such as :

* filters for an 18-105 lens.
* long strap ( I mean longer than the original ones that come with the body) .
* a shoulder case.

* Nikon tele lens.
* Is there any Nikon agent in Egypt?
fellows,
any suggestion, info, advise and/or offer will be highly appreciated. I
mean if someone has any used item or so for sale plz let me know.
PS. um talking here about getting these stuff from Egypt!!
have a smooth day

Shibly ........ searching yet

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4b.: Re: Camera accessories needed

Posted by: "Shibly" sheblyviper@... sheblyviper

Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:16 am (PST)

Hesham ... :)

this is much much more than I expected !! thx a lot for these valued info :)
appreciated very much I live in Nasr City so I think I will check Futur
company today :) isA.

Shibly

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Hesham El-Sheikha <hsheikha@yahoo. com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear,
>
>
> - Filters: you need UV filter to protect the lens. Other filters will
> depend on what you want to do. The good ones (in terms of quality and price)
> are Hoya (http://www.hoyafilt er.com/) and Cokin (http://www.cokin. com/).
> For the last, you can contact El Shenawy Co. (21 Degla Str., Off Shehab Str.
> 33369136). You can check them for Nikon lenses too.
>
>
> - Shoulder cases: check Tamrac (www.tamrac. com) and Lowepro (
> www.lowepro. com).Believe it or not, their prices in Dubai are cheaper
> than Amazon in USA. Grand Stores in UAE is where you can find them if you
> any body to bring from Dubai. for Tamrac in Egypt, call
>
> Futur Company
> Naser City, Cairo
> Off Makram edid Str,
> 002012 2182995
> E-mail *edward_melikian@ hotmail.com
> *
>
> - Nikon Tele lens: also Sigma has good ones and cheaper than nikon.
> Check www.sigmaphoto. com. You can call El King (Mohamed 0127333223 /
> 0223925140) Borg Salma, Roshdt Str, Abdeen. He stocks the common things with
> good prices (higher than USA and cheaper than Dubai. See he gets his stuff
> from Asia). if you need something expensive but not available in his store,
> he can bring but you need to pay down payment.
> - Longer Starps: Lowepro and Tamrac are making some good ones. You can
> check El-King also.
> - There is Nikon agent (or it seems to be) 0237762062. But prices is
> much higher than El King
>
> Good Luck!*
>
> *
> Hesham
>
>
> ------------ --------- ---------
> *From:* Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
> *To:* SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
> *Sent:* Mon, November 16, 2009 12:34:13 PM
> *Subject:* [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed
>
>
>
> Dear SSs
>
>
> I am searching for some accessories for my Nikon D-90 such as :
>
> - filters for an 18-105 lens.
> - long strap ( I mean longer than the original ones that come with the
> body) .
> - a shoulder case.
> - Nikon tele lens.
> - Is there any Nikon agent in Egypt?
>
> fellows, any suggestion, info, advise and/or offer will be highly
> appreciated. I mean if someone has any used item or so for sale plz let me
> know.
> PS. um talking here about getting these stuff from Egypt!!
> have a smooth day
>
> Shibly ........ searching yet
>
>
>

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4c.: Re: Camera accessories needed

Posted by: "Hesham El-Sheikha" hsheikha@... hsheikha

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:30 am (PST)

You can ask the Futur about all your needs, get prices. Compare prices with the prices you will get from El-King.
Futur is the agent for Manfrotto tripods also.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 4:24:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed

Hesham ... :)

this is much much more than I expected !! thx a lot for these valued info :) appreciated very much I live in Nasr City so I think I will check Futur company today :) isA.

Shibly

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Hesham El-Sheikha <hsheikha@yahoo. com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>>
>
>>
>
>Dear,
>
>
> * Filters: you need UV filter to protect the lens. Other filters will depend on what you want to do. The good ones (in terms of quality and price) are Hoya (http://www.hoyafilt er.com/) and Cokin (http://www.cokin. com/). For the last, you can contact El Shenawy Co. (21 Degla Str., Off Shehab Str. 33369136). You can check them for Nikon lenses too.
> * Shoulder cases: check Tamrac (www.tamrac. com) and Lowepro (www.lowepro. com).Believe it or not, their prices in Dubai are cheaper than Amazon in USA. Grand Stores in UAE is where you can find them if
> you any body to bring from Dubai. for Tamrac in Egypt, call
>Futur Company
>Naser City, Cairo
>Off
> Makram edid Str,
>002012 2182995
>E-mail
> edward_melikian@ hotmail.com
>
> * Nikon Tele lens: also Sigma has good ones and cheaper than nikon. Check www.sigmaphoto. com. You can call El King (Mohamed 0127333223 / 0223925140) Borg Salma, Roshdt Str, Abdeen. He stocks the common things with good prices (higher than USA and cheaper than Dubai. See he gets his stuff from Asia). if you need something expensive but not available in his store, he can bring but you need to pay down payment.
> * Longer Starps: Lowepro and Tamrac are making some good ones. You can check El-King also.
>
> * There is Nikon agent (or it seems to be) 0237762062. But prices is much higher
> than El King
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Hesham
>
>
>
>
>
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
>To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
>Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:34:13 PM
>Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Camera accessories needed
>
> >
>
>
>>
>
>Dear SSs
>
>
>I am searching for some accessories for my Nikon D-90 such as :
>
> * filters for an 18-105 lens.
> * long strap ( I mean longer than the original ones that come with the body) .
> * a shoulder case.
>
> * Nikon tele lens.
> * Is there any Nikon agent in Egypt?
>fellows,
>any suggestion, info, advise and/or offer will be highly appreciated. I
>mean if someone has any used item or so for sale plz let me know.
>PS. um talking here about getting these stuff from Egypt!!
>>have a smooth day
>
>Shibly ........ searching yet
>

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5a.: Re: Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals. -------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
www.the-vision. net

Gibran Khalil Gibran

On Pleasure

...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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5b.: Re: Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Posted by: "Barbara Will" foothillgal44@... foothillgal44

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:29 am (PST)

Dear All,
Why would anyone think Kahlil Gibran is not an Arab?Â Our problem is we do not become familiar with the great people of non-European background.Â Well, then there is the problem of our arrogance.Â And what about Rumi?
Â
Barbara Will
Colorado, USAÂ

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:34 AM

Â

Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.Â ----- --
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet
Â
it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...
Â
Monir
Â

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles

Â
www.the-vision. net
Â

Â

Â
Gibran Khalil Gibran
Â
On Pleasure
Â
...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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5c.: Re: Positive Vibe - on Love

Posted by: "Monir El.Shazly" Monir12@... monir12

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:42 am (PST)

Brilliant Mabrouk...
please also allow me to add that even if Gibran's "The Prophet" is not the second highest selling bookÂ in the states, I have read more than once that RumiÂ IS the second highest selling poet in theÂ States after Shakespere.

Like Gibran, Rumi's poems have been used in several occasions in a lot of movies and albums, and his famous "Desire" is one of the most successful tracks of the Buddha Bar series. (the song originaly appeared in Deepak Chopra's Album "Gift of Love", which was dedicated to Rumi.

Yet unfortunately, not a lot of people inÂ theÂ Arab world are familiar with Rumi (except the Sufi's) and if you go to any Arabic bookshop, it is very difficult to find any of his books translated to Arabic (as they were originally written inÂ Persian).

Maybe it is about time for us to know shed some light on some of theÂ POSITIVEÂ / ENLIGHTENED people who have graced (or descended from)Â this part of the world....and they are many...

now I'll leave you with the "Desire" piece..I'm sure you'll find it familiar...

A lover knows only humility, he has no choice.
He steals into your alley at night, he has no choice.
He longs to kiss every lock of your hair, don't fret,
he has no choice.
In his frenzied love for you, he longs to break the chains of his imprisonment,
he has no choice.

A lover asked his beloved:
- Do you love yourself more than you love me?
Beloved replied: I have died to myself and I live for you.
I've disappeared from myself and my attributes,
I am present only for you.
I've forgotten all my learnings,
but from knowing you I've become a scholar.
I've lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.

I love myself...I love you.
I love you...I love myself.

I am your lover, come to my side,
I will open the gate to your love.
Come settle with me, let us be neighbors to the stars.
You have been hiding so long, endlessly drifting in the sea of my love.
Even so, you have always been connected to me.
Concealed, revealed, in the unknown, in the un-manifest.
I am life itself.

You have been a prisoner of a little pond,
I am the ocean and its turbulent flood.
Come merge with me,
leave this world of ignorance.
Be with me, I will open the gate to your love.

I desire you more than food or drink
My body my senses my mind hunger for your taste
I can sense your presence in my heart
although you belong to all the world
I wait with silent passion for one gesture one glance
from you.
Â
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
Â
www.the-vision. net

Â

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Â
Dear Monir,

Brilliant! Many of my European friends didn't even believe that Kahlil Gibran is an Arab born and bred on Arab soils! They think that his "teachings" on Love, Children and Self-Knowledge, etc. must be of more advanced nations. :) His chapter of The Prophet book on Love cannot hide or be misunderstood by any Arab that it's definitely Arabic kind of Love! :) That love is not only pleasure! The most amazing thing is that critics think that even his English is totally his own and almost exotic style.... they mean Arabic of course but maybe they didn't know. :)

I was once told that Girban's book The Prophet is second to The Bible in America's sales of any book in history! They may have been exaggerating since the guide who told us in Washington DC was actually Lebanese! :) But every highly-educated Westerner (specially Europeans!) I've met know exactly who is Gibran. Even Enigma uses some of their albums lyrics from this book.

Here's one of the good ones from The Prophet book (Chapter of Self-Knowledge) :

Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams.

And it is well you should.
The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea;
And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure;
And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line.
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.Â ----- --
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: SS <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:26:18 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Positive Vibe - on Pleasure

Forwarded by a dear friend...
on Pleasure...from the great book...the Prophet

it is the purpose of our existence..to be of service ...

Monir
Â
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in MiraclesÂ
www.the-vision. net

Â
Â
Gibran Khalil Gibran
Â
On Pleasure
Â
...And now you ask in your heart, "How shall we distinguish that which is good in pleasure from that which is not good?"
Go to your fields and your gardens, and you shall learn that it is the pleasure of the bee to gather honey of the flower,
But it is also the pleasure of the flower to yield its honey to the bee.
For to the bee a flower is a fountain of life,
And to the flower a bee is a messenger of love,
And to both, bee and flower, the giving and the receiving of pleasure is a need and an ecstasy.
Be in your pleasures like the flowers and the bees...

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6a.: Re: Crossing Africa on motorbike [2 Attachments]

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 am (PST)

Dear Safarists,

Read also the few comments at the end of the article!!! :) Go Omar Mansour Go!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! :)
http://www.nation. co.ke/News/ -/1056/683638/ -/uomjj8/ -/index.html

Cyclist who dreams of a united Africa
While many Kenyans are engaged in mostly divisive debates such as reforms, The Hague and post-election chaos, Mr Omar Mansour, an Egyptian lawyer (on bike) is cycling from Cape Town to Cairo to spread a message of African unity. Photo/STEPHEN BULL
By STEVEN BULL Posted Sunday, November 8 2009 at 21:01
While talk of post-election violence, IDPs and The Hague trials are shining the spotlight on division, one man is working to shift the focus to one of a united Africa. Mr Omar Mansour of Alexandria, Egypt, is currently in Kenya in the middle of a ride from Cape Town to Cairo in an effort to emphasise unity and peace of the African continent and the concept of â€œone Africa.â€�
Starting in Cape Town, South Africa on July 25, the 35-year-old lawyer is more than 100 days into the journey he expected would take no more than three months for him to reach his home in Alexandria.
Took longer
Speaking from the Egyptian embassy in Nairobi on Saturday, Mr Mansour said that his journey took longer than expected because of sight-seeing and detours. â€œI average 300 to 800 kilometres a day, but Africa is huge and there is so much to see and do along the way! I didnâ€™t factor that in when I started this journey,â€� he said.
Arriving in Kenya on November 3, he travelled from Mombasa to Nairobi and plans to continue his journey through Ethiopia and Sudan before returning to Egypt. Although his journey has been incident free, the change in length of the trek has resulted in a bit of a logistical speed-bump as his Ethiopian visa had expired before he had even arrived in Kenya.
Right now, the Ethiopian officials are saying that they can only issue him a visa from Egypt, an issue he is confident can be resolved. â€œWorst case is I fly back to Egypt to get another visa then fly back to Nairobi and continue my trip,â€� said Mr Mansour. Fortunately his primary sponsor is Egyptair, which will no doubt make the Nairobi-Cairo round-trip visa voyage much easier.
Heâ€™s confident that he wonâ€™t have to go to that distance and that the issue can be sorted out while he spends an extra week in Kenya. A life-long motorcyclist, Mr Mansour has done trips from Alexandria to Paris and from Canada to the southern United States, but his focus was always on Africa.
He hopes that not only will his ride reinforce the idea of a united continent with Africans, but that it could help change the negative image Africa has in the West. â€œUnfortunately many people in Europe and America only think of criminals, wars and HIV when they think of Africa. I want to prove that Africa is safe and peaceful to travel across. Itâ€™s the motherland, where all life began,â€� Mr Mansour said.
He added that he has felt safer on his African journey than he has anywhere else in the world. Egyptian ambassador Saher Hamza said that while Mr Mansourâ€™s voyage is a message of hope for the future, there is a definite historical aspect. â€œThe dream of a Cape Town to Cairo route is an old one, the freedom of being able to travel the length of the continent. It can still happen, but we need better infrastructure in every country,â€� he said.
Mr Hamza said that better roads and railways are necessary so that Africans donâ€™t have to rely on airlines to travel long distances and cargo can be shipped across the continent by land instead of by ship. Mr Mansour said his dream of Africa was one similar to Europe, where you can travel across many countries in a matter of hours on wide, well-maintained roads, or get on a train in one city and a short trip later youâ€™re in another city in another country.
He hopes his trip serves as a catalyst to such a continent, and that Africans work to discard the geographical focus on their own continent.
Iâ€™ve felt at home
â€œI consider my journey as a bridge of African culture. Iâ€™ve felt at home, as an African, in every country Iâ€™ve been to along the way,â€� he said. While he admits the vision for a united Africa is not going to be achieved overnight, he had a suggestion for everyone living in the â€œmotherland.â€�
â€œWe need to stop thinking North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa as two different places, thatâ€™s a mzungu(European) issue (from colonial times). I see one Africa. I donâ€™t believe in borders,â€� Mr Mansour said. When this journey is complete, heâ€™ll start planning an around-the-world voyage instead of just settling back into work with his familyâ€™s company.
â€œI consider life to be a big school, and you need to learn something new every day. Thereâ€™s a lot more to see and experience. Plus, I think my dadâ€™s fired me by now,â€� he said with a laugh.
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1. Submitted by ikiplagat
Posted November 09, 2009 09:08 PM
all these messages wouldnt work as long as there is no justice. you cannot have unity amidst ignorance,disease, corruption and tribalism.This guy should be going around Africa spreading a message of revolution. and by the way, will those children i saw on NTV from Turkana who are without water and food reading newspapers or listening to any radio about this guy? lets be realistic and do what is necessary.This guy is but an idle tourist...
2. Submitted by jomoslimo1
Posted November 09, 2009 08:41 PM
nice headline story...unlike others newspapers who puts obama and raila at the front page everyday..Goo! Nation
3. Submitted by emayieka
Posted November 09, 2009 05:32 PM
I need to participate in one of these events. Anybody let me know where to start? Obviously Not Nairobi? But will pass through Nairobi. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa

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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: omar mansour <motorbiker100@ yahoo.com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: desertmoh@yahoo. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:40:07 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Crossing Africa on motorbike [2 Attachments]

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Dear Mabrouk
how are you ?
hope you still remember me ,I'm Omar Mansour went to cross Africa like 100 and something day ago ,do you still remember me ?
well its like 1000 night and night story as after i shipped my bike to South Africa and sort it there ,rode north and so far I'm in Kenya around 13000 km so far ,and every thing is fine
so i thought to keep you and all the saharist updated ,
will try to write more about the trip as net access not that easy and fast around Africa
here is the latest article about the trip

http://www.nation. co.ke/News/ -/1056/683638/ -/uomjj8/ -/index.html

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7a.: Re: bmw x3

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:13 am (PST)

I believe after 2007 model of X3 the ride is much softer with the change of the suspension. Although I never tested one myself, I think the DSC (under xDrive technology of BMW) is good but not adjusted to our Sahara terrain. I mean I would love to see all differentials (central included) unlocked and a torque distribution is in control) but with a 4L missing, you miss a lot of slow torque when you desperately need it.

I hear things about its Chassis as well and that it's road-biased, but I don't know much about.

Does anybody here know?? or have rode one before to tell us??

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: Rafeh Saleh <rafehsaleh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 1:39:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] bmw x3

Thanx Shibli,

Excellent in spite of the unavailability of 4L? what happens when you get stuck?

cheers
rafeh

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com> wrote:

>From: Shibly <sheblyviper@ gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] bmw x3
>To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:01 AM
>
>
>
>PEREFECT !!!
>
>Shibly
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, rafehsaleh <rafehsaleh@ yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>How does the BMW X3 perform in our offroad Saharah conditions?
>>
>>Cheers
>>Rafeh
>>
>>
>

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8a.: Re: Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:14 am (PST)

Dears,

Maybe a bit late for Dahlia, but haven you noticed that our photos almost never shows the modern Egypt? One of the districts in New Cairo that I am really proud of is Al-Rehab have you guys gone there to capture the beat of their streets and neighbourhoods? Quite different lifestyle from --for instance-- Heliopolis or Nasr City!!!!!!!! ! :)

Also, I think another interesting part is the Cultural Centers. Have you tried capturing the people getting into Sakia elSawy? Such contrast between types of people coming to enjoy same culture!!!

The cultural centers (specially the new one in Dumyat that we saw its photos on SS here), must be also some interesting things to see. Have you visted CultNat too or the Smart Village?

I haven't seen a photo of those places anywhere on FB or SS or elsewhere. Have you???

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

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From: dahlia kesseba <dkesseba@cedare. int>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:50:55 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Dear All,

Thank you all for the wonderful photos you have sent me...I am so proud of all of your talents!

I still need photos, mainly in the following areas:

drinking water
compounds & the new emerging housing lifestyles
arab countries
nature (animals, plants, flowers...)
modern arab people

If you have any relevant photos in these areas, pls send me the high res photos by Sunday Novemeber 15th.

Thank you very much!

Dahlia Kesseba

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8b.: Re: Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Posted by: "HANY ABDIEN" inviron@... inviron

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Hi Mohamed,

I agree with u that what we all have shown so far is not exactly presenting the modern life in Egypt or arab countries but at the same time I have to tell u that such compounds (compounds & the new emerging housing lifestyles) and places with private management (as in Rehab or smart village) have their own photos usually if the UN contact them and they dont allow photography there without the management permission and photographers have to have some form called "property release" in case they want to publish the photos taken there (property release is a form that the owner or management of some entity signs as a permit to the photographer to take shots and to publish and u can get that from any photo stock agency and modify it for ur needs as these forms usually studied by their lawyers to be suitable for the legalization issues.) and maybe UN have to assign a photographer for that and contact the management of those organizations to help them out and
take their permit, or maybe they can find the photos they need with the marketing department people in those organizations.

Street shots (modern arab people) r not much easier as u know holding a camera and pointing it towards something is considered a crime in the egyptian streets, but if u contact something like Ahram or Akhbar they have their photos and their photojournalists who can access streets and cultural events easily and they know the legal ways, but I have some shots in syria, will try to upload some soon, but also try to check the following and to contact the people if u like their profiles (because maybe they r not SS or maybe they didnt see the post or they dont know that their photos can fit but I believe they have great shots for the report):

Nihal Ramzy: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ nousha/

Razan (syrian activist and has loads of life shots in syria, lebanon, palastine): http://www.flickr. com/photos/ arabspring/

Sawi is helpful, I have shots there for some concerts as a part of my (trial and error) and u can find some in my flickr account (not for any cultural events because i was interested in the visual aspect and basically most ofour photographers r, unless they r photojournalists who r covering some event, this is why Ahram or Akhbar can be useful then), but as we agreed choose what u need and will send u the high res. as I am still away from Egypt.

As for Nature, surely no other one than a S.S. people can have better pictures, I have some in Sinai, but lots of people have much better shots, but also try to see:

Ahemd Abu Zeid (he has some nice nature shots): http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 21634582@ N00/

Farida El Hessy (nice flowers, sets, plants, street shots): http://www.flickr. com/photos/ cuba1869/

Mohamed Tarief: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 45769105@ N00/

I had an article (and although it is not yet fully completed, it is not for free), and it is about the life of the Bedouins of Sinai and their traditional practices till today (modern time) and how they cope with the life by using things like 3ajram trees instead of soap, or scorpions, snakes, insects ammunition from poisons.

Good luck...

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:59:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Dears,

Maybe a bit late for Dahlia, but haven you noticed that our photos almost never shows the modern Egypt? One of the districts in New Cairo that I am really proud of is Al-Rehab have you guys gone there to capture the beat of their streets and neighbourhoods? Quite different lifestyle from --for instance-- Heliopolis or Nasr City!!!!!!!! ! :)

Also, I think another interesting part is the Cultural Centers. Have you tried capturing the people getting into Sakia elSawy? Such contrast between types of people coming to enjoy same culture!!!

The cultural centers (specially the new one in Dumyat that we saw its photos on SS here), must be also some interesting things to see. Have you visted CultNat too or the Smart Village?

I haven't seen a photo of those places anywhere on FB or SS or elsewhere. Have you???

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: dahlia kesseba <dkesseba@cedare. int>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 8:50:55 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Photos for the UN Report on Arab Environment

Dear All,

Thank you all for the wonderful photos you have sent me...I am so proud of all of your talents!

I still need photos, mainly in the following areas:

drinking water
compounds & the new emerging housing lifestyles
arab countries
nature (animals, plants, flowers...)
modern arab people

If you have any relevant photos in these areas, pls send me the high res photos by Sunday Novemeber 15th.

Thank you very much!

Dahlia Kesseba

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9a.: Re: el minia

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:15 am (PST)

Dear Ahmed,

Why not add this 'SUGGESTED ROUTE' to the Al-Minia article on the website? :)

As for your finishing line on Sudan's Match, let me ask all to add this to their emails: "STOP HOOLIGANS From Ruining Our Flags and Pride!! Rabbena Yonsor Montakhab elSagedeen" :)

Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org------ -
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: allamahmed <allamahmed@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 3:59:32 AM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] el minia

Dear Safarists, as promised, here is our trip log documenting our exploration in minia and around it

Some Quick Numbers:

11 adults and 2 children were the members of this adventure

Car 1: Essam Hassan
his 2 beautiful daughters
his wife Eva & her sister

Car 2: Amir El Kenawy
Nihal Mansour
Gihan el Nemr

Car 3: Motaza Ali
Ahmed Allam
Haytham Sabry

Car 4: Essam Madmoud
Omar Essam Madmoud

a total of approx. 800 KMs was done in this trip

the temperature was ranging from 29-31 during the day and 9-11 during the night

the Average Gas consumption was 150 L.E per car = approx. 80 Litre

we left Cairo 10 pm Thursday and we were back 10 pm Saturday = exactly 48 hours

The Average Cost of the trip including hotel b&b + Gas Share Cost + guide tips + tickets etc... was almost 280 L.E per person

check more details about Minia in the article i added: http://www.saharasa faris.org/ al-minia

Minia trip
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Thursday 5 November 2009

10:00 pm: Leave remaya square in moataz's car, already amir's car is 15 minutes ahead on the road, and essam hassan's car already reached el Minia before dark.
10:30 to 11:00 Stop at Total Gas station
12:00 meet amir car at sara rest house after kamin bani mazar
12:30 make left turn at samalut cuz the police station told us that "el kobri wege3" or in other words the bridge ahead is destroyed so we had to switch to the eastern side of the nile :) (we are now 200 km from cairo)
1:00 am: reach minia and the cross train mazla2an to cornaiche
1:15 arrive "Siva Nefertiti Coralia" hotel and take rooms 205 to 208 then unpack our stuff
1:45 we all go down for a walk on the nile and sit by the edge
2:30 group split moataz, gihan and haytham went to kfc, nihal to the hotel, and amir & me went exploring taha hussein st. and we found the only Ahwa and supermarket open at his time :)
3:30 back to the hotel and bed preps

Friday 6 november 2009
6:45 wake up calls
7:30 breakfast and Essam Mahmoud arrives in his frontera
8:30 gather in the lobby waiting to move
9:00 gas station amir 46 L.E essam hassan 40 L.E moataz 41 L.E
10:00 pick ahmed mostafa our guide for today from mallawi (40 km south minia) then pick khaled his colleague, continue south for another 20 kms
10:30 take the ferry (me3addeya) to the eastern bank till 10:45
11:00 Arrive to Tall el Amarna , head for the Northen cemeteries (ba-na7si, Meri-ra and Ahmosi) till 12:30 then drive to Stella (4 statues inside a big walled stone portrait marking the borders of akhet-aton, the capital of akhenaton, this was one of 14 others scattered all around Minia) then drive to royal cemetery 7 kms inside the mountain and down we go 1:00 to 1:30
Then Pass by 2 pillars which are the only remnants of the royal palace
2:20 southern tombs (we only visit AY's tomb) till 2:35 then road back to the ferry
3:00 wait for me3adeya and pass 3:20
Hurry hurry to tuna el gabal passing by ashmounin because we had to be there before 4 pm otherwise they would refuse to let us into the area so luckily arrive 3:59 sharp before closure
Start our tour by petosiris tomb then isadora funerary house containing her mummy, then down into the catacombs where thousands of ibis and baboun mummies were kept in jars, they represent te7out, god of this area, till 5 pm then go see the border plaque (stella) and amir's car has a slight gharza till 5:30
5:45 reach ashmounin road then go deep for 2 km till we reached the monumental open museum garden to be greeted by 2 huge baboon statues and many other pieces confiscated from monuments smugglers all diplayed in this open garden, then road to basilica we find it blocked due to underground water drainage operations, so drop ahmed and khaled our active guides at ashmounin near their houses 6:30 and head back to Minia
7:30 taha Hussein st. go to bondoka grill house and restaurant, eat till we r totally full
9:00 atoun hotel's tea garden have shisha and drinks (moataz nihal amir essam allam) and all others go to sleep
11:30 some of the group go to the hotel to sleep and others go shopping (allam gihan amir essam) then go to souk at palace square (downtown) then cross the bridge to new Minia and over the mountain to see the beautiful view of Minia and the nile from up there
1:30 drop essam and gihan at the hotel and go ahwa me and amir
3:00 back to the hotel hotel try to sleep till 4:30

Saturday 7 november
8:40 breakfast and talk then I go meet the manager to conclude our hotel bill, and then have a quick dip in the swimming pool
10:30 ahmed mostafa our guide comes and waits down at the reception till we all gather
11:00 gather in front of hotel to move and many delays as search for gas and tawahan around the city a bit
11:50 finally leave Minia to east by the bridge then south towards Benni Hassan
12:10 zawyet el soltan (amwat) +remenants of a pyramid + cemetery till 12:45
1:00 establ antar (old mines and temple) to 1:30
Then bani hassan 1:45
2:00 start bani hassan site by kheti tomb, 2:20 bakhet tomb , 2:40 khenum 7otob tomb, 3:00 amenme7at tomb, they are all famous by the wall drawings showing all aspects of daily life for pharaoes specially ALL the wrestling moves, centuries later the roman wrestling took all these moves to create this sport, which is a very rare and very nice documentation in these tombs and all the vivid colors are still preserved
then down to the rest house to freshen up
3:20 leave to minia and essam Hassan splits here to take the road to Cairo early
4:10 minia bridge pass over it to drop ahmed in minia and tawahan inside the town a bit
4:30 back to the eastern side, take the road north to cairo and deir el adra located 20 kms north-east of Minia
5:30 arrive to deir el adra at gabal el teir, we were rewarded with a GREAT sunset from the top of the mountain in front of the ancient church there
5:45 take the dusty road back till we get out to the main road 5:55
7:00 arrive at kamin beni suef and head into the town itself
7:15 arrive into new beni suef town on the eastern side of the nile, at this point we got split by the crowded streets and we got lost ï�Š
Gas station 7:25 we meet all again amir 79 LE moataz 74 LE, discuss our route back to Cairo and exchange drivers
7:45 eat koshari to 8:15 then hit the road to east again, drive around till we find the start of koraymat new road to Cairo
8:45 stop at koraymat toll station and emergency bathroom stop for the girls
9:00 road to Cairo and arrive to tebbin-helwan and the very far end of Autostrade road
10:10 exchange passengers and bye

Well i hope you enjoyed our story, i know it is a bit close to a police report with all these exact timings and so, but this log was documented step by step and on time during our tours, again hope you enjoy it,

After all the fun and adventure we had, i am thinking seriously of another exploration trip (Maybe during Eid el Adha's vacation) including more forgotten areas and paths less taken.
I am proud to say i've been around a lot of our country's monuments, but still there are areas and places rarely visited, either because they are hard to reach, or not listed in the usual tour guides' trips.

My thoughts wandered towards AL KHARGA oasis, DANDARA & ABIDUS temples between Sohag and Qena, and if we have more time we could also see the RAMSIUM and CITY of HABU, i am ashamed to say i have been to Luxor more than 8 times and EACH time i don't get to see those 2 places either due to lack of time or because the tour guides were always in a hurry and insisted these locations are an hour OFF the road and not worth the visit (totally untrue according to what i've heard)

i am waiting for enthusiastic Safarists who might be interested in this trip, of course you have to be free during the Eid vacation, and you have to be Crazy AND Restless to join this trip, if not available during the Eid at least tell me for later when we decide to go for it, so any volunteers so far? :D

BEST WISHES to our national Football Team in Sudan, i witnessed Egypt in Italy 90, 20 years ago, and i really hope to witness it again :)

Dr. Ahmed Allam
Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
+2 010 520 9179

Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...

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9b.: Re: el minia

Posted by: "allamahmed" allamahmed@... allamahmed

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:24 am (PST)

dear mabrouk,
i totally agree about this foolish hooligans thing, it went WAY over its limits, and it needs to stop immediately. although football is very important to me and most of the Egyptian population, this is NOT football, this is blind fanaticism, specially from the Algerian side, but anyways it is ruining the joy of football and creating unwanted fury, rabbena yostor bokra isa.

about the suggested route, i am afraid i did not get what u meant, do you mean the route of our trip in minia? or the route of the trip to kharga, sohag, qena and luxor?

well the route vaguely can be explained as follows:

Route 1:
cairo-assiout- kharga (then spend 2 nights in kharga and around)
kharga-baris (80 kms south of kharga)
baris-luxor
luxor-Qena-sohag then sleep in minia
minia-cairo

Route 2:
cairo-minia
minia-sohag- qena-luxor
luxor-Baris- kharga
kharga-cairo

kilometrage: roughly for now
cairo-assiout 387 km
assiout-kharga 233 km
cairo-luxor 700 km
kharga-Baris 90 km
baris-luxor 150 km

for now this is all on paper and lacks the finalized detailed stops and kilometrage and all the trip logistics, but i estimate it would take 5 days, maybe 4 days if pressed and then we can cancel the luxor portion of the trip

i still await for enthusiastic ppl, so if you are out there, show any sign of life :) right mabrouk? ;)

Dr. Ahmed Allam
Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
+2 010 520 9179
Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...

--- In SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com, Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@. ..> wrote:
>
> Dear Ahmed,
>
> Why not add this 'SUGGESTED ROUTE' to the Al-Minia article on the website? :)
>
> As for your finishing line on Sudan's Match, let me ask all to add this to their emails: "STOP HOOLIGANS From Ruining Our Flags and Pride!! Rabbena Yonsor Montakhab elSagedeen" :)
>
> Mohamed Mabrouk
> www.SaharaSafaris. org------ -
> I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
> -------
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: allamahmed <allamahmed@ ...>
> To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 3:59:32 AM
> Subject: [SaharaSafaris] el minia
>
> Dear Safarists, as promised, here is our trip log documenting our exploration in minia and around it
>
>
> Some Quick Numbers:
>
> 11 adults and 2 children were the members of this adventure
>
> Car 1: Essam Hassan
> his 2 beautiful daughters
> his wife Eva & her sister
>
> Car 2: Amir El Kenawy
> Nihal Mansour
> Gihan el Nemr
>
> Car 3: Motaza Ali
> Ahmed Allam
> Haytham Sabry
>
> Car 4: Essam Madmoud
> Omar Essam Madmoud
>
> a total of approx. 800 KMs was done in this trip
>
> the temperature was ranging from 29-31 during the day and 9-11 during the night
>
> the Average Gas consumption was 150 L.E per car = approx. 80 Litre
>
> we left Cairo 10 pm Thursday and we were back 10 pm Saturday = exactly 48 hours
>
> The Average Cost of the trip including hotel b&b + Gas Share Cost + guide tips + tickets etc... was almost 280 L.E per person
>
> check more details about Minia in the article i added: http://www.saharasa faris.org/ al-minia
>
>
> Minia trip
> ----------
>
> Thursday 5 November 2009
>
> 10:00 pm: Leave remaya square in moataz's car, already amir's car is 15 minutes ahead on the road, and essam hassan's car already reached el Minia before dark.
> 10:30 to 11:00 Stop at Total Gas station
> 12:00 meet amir car at sara rest house after kamin bani mazar
> 12:30 make left turn at samalut cuz the police station told us that "el kobri wege3" or in other words the bridge ahead is destroyed so we had to switch to the eastern side of the nile :) (we are now 200 km from cairo)
> 1:00 am: reach minia and the cross train mazla2an to cornaiche
> 1:15 arrive "Siva Nefertiti Coralia" hotel and take rooms 205 to 208 then unpack our stuff
> 1:45 we all go down for a walk on the nile and sit by the edge
> 2:30 group split moataz, gihan and haytham went to kfc, nihal to the hotel, and amir & me went exploring taha hussein st. and we found the only Ahwa and supermarket open at his time :)
> 3:30 back to the hotel and bed preps
>
> Friday 6 november 2009
> 6:45 wake up calls
> 7:30 breakfast and Essam Mahmoud arrives in his frontera
> 8:30 gather in the lobby waiting to move
> 9:00 gas station amir 46 L.E essam hassan 40 L.E moataz 41 L.E
> 10:00 pick ahmed mostafa our guide for today from mallawi (40 km south minia) then pick khaled his colleague, continue south for another 20 kms
> 10:30 take the ferry (me3addeya) to the eastern bank till 10:45
> 11:00 Arrive to Tall el Amarna , head for the Northen cemeteries (ba-na7si, Meri-ra and Ahmosi) till 12:30 then drive to Stella (4 statues inside a big walled stone portrait marking the borders of akhet-aton, the capital of akhenaton, this was one of 14 others scattered all around Minia) then drive to royal cemetery 7 kms inside the mountain and down we go 1:00 to 1:30
> Then Pass by 2 pillars which are the only remnants of the royal palace
> 2:20 southern tombs (we only visit AY's tomb) till 2:35 then road back to the ferry
> 3:00 wait for me3adeya and pass 3:20
> Hurry hurry to tuna el gabal passing by ashmounin because we had to be there before 4 pm otherwise they would refuse to let us into the area so luckily arrive 3:59 sharp before closure
> Start our tour by petosiris tomb then isadora funerary house containing her mummy, then down into the catacombs where thousands of ibis and baboun mummies were kept in jars, they represent te7out, god of this area, till 5 pm then go see the border plaque (stella) and amir's car has a slight gharza till 5:30
> 5:45 reach ashmounin road then go deep for 2 km till we reached the monumental open museum garden to be greeted by 2 huge baboon statues and many other pieces confiscated from monuments smugglers all diplayed in this open garden, then road to basilica we find it blocked due to underground water drainage operations, so drop ahmed and khaled our active guides at ashmounin near their houses 6:30 and head back to Minia
> 7:30 taha Hussein st. go to bondoka grill house and restaurant, eat till we r totally full
> 9:00 atoun hotel's tea garden have shisha and drinks (moataz nihal amir essam allam) and all others go to sleep
> 11:30 some of the group go to the hotel to sleep and others go shopping (allam gihan amir essam) then go to souk at palace square (downtown) then cross the bridge to new Minia and over the mountain to see the beautiful view of Minia and the nile from up there
> 1:30 drop essam and gihan at the hotel and go ahwa me and amir
> 3:00 back to the hotel hotel try to sleep till 4:30
>
> Saturday 7 november
> 8:40 breakfast and talk then I go meet the manager to conclude our hotel bill, and then have a quick dip in the swimming pool
> 10:30 ahmed mostafa our guide comes and waits down at the reception till we all gather
> 11:00 gather in front of hotel to move and many delays as search for gas and tawahan around the city a bit
> 11:50 finally leave Minia to east by the bridge then south towards Benni Hassan
> 12:10 zawyet el soltan (amwat) +remenants of a pyramid + cemetery till 12:45
> 1:00 establ antar (old mines and temple) to 1:30
> Then bani hassan 1:45
> 2:00 start bani hassan site by kheti tomb, 2:20 bakhet tomb , 2:40 khenum 7otob tomb, 3:00 amenme7at tomb, they are all famous by the wall drawings showing all aspects of daily life for pharaoes specially ALL the wrestling moves, centuries later the roman wrestling took all these moves to create this sport, which is a very rare and very nice documentation in these tombs and all the vivid colors are still preserved
> then down to the rest house to freshen up
> 3:20 leave to minia and essam Hassan splits here to take the road to Cairo early
> 4:10 minia bridge pass over it to drop ahmed in minia and tawahan inside the town a bit
> 4:30 back to the eastern side, take the road north to cairo and deir el adra located 20 kms north-east of Minia
> 5:30 arrive to deir el adra at gabal el teir, we were rewarded with a GREAT sunset from the top of the mountain in front of the ancient church there
> 5:45 take the dusty road back till we get out to the main road 5:55
> 7:00 arrive at kamin beni suef and head into the town itself
> 7:15 arrive into new beni suef town on the eastern side of the nile, at this point we got split by the crowded streets and we got lost Ã¯Â�ÂŠ
> Gas station 7:25 we meet all again amir 79 LE moataz 74 LE, discuss our route back to Cairo and exchange drivers
> 7:45 eat koshari to 8:15 then hit the road to east again, drive around till we find the start of koraymat new road to Cairo
> 8:45 stop at koraymat toll station and emergency bathroom stop for the girls
> 9:00 road to Cairo and arrive to tebbin-helwan and the very far end of Autostrade road
> 10:10 exchange passengers and bye
>
>
> Well i hope you enjoyed our story, i know it is a bit close to a police report with all these exact timings and so, but this log was documented step by step and on time during our tours, again hope you enjoy it,
>
> After all the fun and adventure we had, i am thinking seriously of another exploration trip (Maybe during Eid el Adha's vacation) including more forgotten areas and paths less taken.
> I am proud to say i've been around a lot of our country's monuments, but still there are areas and places rarely visited, either because they are hard to reach, or not listed in the usual tour guides' trips.
>
> My thoughts wandered towards AL KHARGA oasis, DANDARA & ABIDUS temples between Sohag and Qena, and if we have more time we could also see the RAMSIUM and CITY of HABU, i am ashamed to say i have been to Luxor more than 8 times and EACH time i don't get to see those 2 places either due to lack of time or because the tour guides were always in a hurry and insisted these locations are an hour OFF the road and not worth the visit (totally untrue according to what i've heard)
>
> i am waiting for enthusiastic Safarists who might be interested in this trip, of course you have to be free during the Eid vacation, and you have to be Crazy AND Restless to join this trip, if not available during the Eid at least tell me for later when we decide to go for it, so any volunteers so far? :D
>
> BEST WISHES to our national Football Team in Sudan, i witnessed Egypt in Italy 90, 20 years ago, and i really hope to witness it again :)
>
> Dr. Ahmed Allam
> Vice General Manager of Videnti Cairo Dental Training Center
> +2 010 520 9179
>
> Carpe Diem, Seize the Day...
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> ------------ ----
> SAHARA EXPLORERS KNOW WHY GOLDEN AND BLUE ARE ANCIENT JEWELERS FAVOURITE CHOICE OF COLORS!
> ------------ ----
>
> www.SaharaSafaris. org
> (where Safarists store their knowledge in articles)Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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10a.: Re: Canon, lens

Posted by: "Mohamed Mabrouk" desertmoh@... desertmoh

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:29 am (PST)

Dears,

I'd like to mention that you may like to add your valuable points to this beautiful article already edited by many photography enthusiasts:
http://saharasafari s.org/how- to-do-safaris- photography

Adel elKady, you may like to place your comment in the Tools and During sections of the article. :)

Now can I ask how do you decide to choose whether Nikon or Canon????
I've always wondered why people choose Nikon at all if they're not investing in studios. Am I right?

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

____________ _________ _________ __
From: a.feroci <a.feroci@yahoo. it>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 12:06:04 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Canon, lens

Dear Nader,

I understand, it's not easy to choose for a good lens and agree with the others when they say that it depends from the type of pics you like to shoot.

From my personal experience, I bought an EOS 450D (great camera!) some time ago with the standard 18-55mm and an additional tele zoom 55-250mm. They are not bad and you can make great pics but as soon as you need more performance from them problems pop-up! If you speak with professional photographers they say that the standard 18-55mm is a piece of cr..., just for the waste. In addition to that, if you start to change your lenses during shooting, you can face problems with bunch of dust landing on your chip, specially in a dust fully environment like Egypt.

Just to summarize, after lots of market research I got a 18-250mm tele zoom from SIGMA with stabilizator. The lens is great for travelling and it covers almost all ranges you need for a "normal" use of the camera. The lens is of extreme high quality, there are a lot of tests on that in internet as well and it was recommended by different professional photo shops in Italy, Germany and Japan! It's quite costy, around 600â‚¬, but superb quality that you feel as soon as you grab it. The lens has 72mm diameter and it's quite heavy, between 500-600gr.

If you'll need additional lenses for other scopes, you can ever buy some Canon lenses with no zoom like the 35mm, 50mm, 20mm wich have a very low f factor, around f2 for a reasonable price, around 250-300â‚¬.

Hope it helps you, specifications I can send you additional details.

Take care!
Alessandro

--- In SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com, Moataz Ali <moatazali@. ..> wrote:
>
> I have the Tamron 28-300 F/3.5-6.3 which is quiet satisfying for many
> proposes.
> check the link
> http://www.amazon. com/Tamron- 28-300mm- 3-5-6-3-Aspheric al-Digital/ dp/B00066EK40/ ref=sr_1_ 2?ie=UTF8& s=electronics& qid=1258370733& sr=8-2
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Hany el Zorkany <hannoush_14@ ...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Nader, you didn't mention the F/number of the two lenses! If it's
> > almost the same, go for the 28-300mm as it sure covers wider range of focal
> > numbers (wide-normal- tele) so you wont be in need of changing lenses more
> > frequently..
> >
> > Cheers..
> >
> > Hany.
> > http://www.hanyphot ography.com
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- ---------
> > *From:* Nader <nader_naim@ ...>
> > *To:* SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
> > *Sent:* Thu, November 12, 2009 1:46:35 PM
> > *Subject:* [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I recently bought (Canon t1i with lens 18-55mm ) but I don't know which
> > lens to choose !!
> >
> > what do you think about F 28-300mm?! or 70 _ 300mm ? and from where I can
> > buy? New and used 90 % !
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Nader Naim*
> >
> > *Spice Kingdom*
> >
> > *Mob. :+20.10.7800 007*
> >
> > * :+20.12.2149 403*
> >
> > *Tel. :+20.2.4610 3901-4*
> >
> > *Fax :+20.2.46103 905*
> >
> > *nader_naim@ spicelan d.com.eg***
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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10b.: Re: Canon, lens

Posted by: "Nader" nader_naim@... doudy_spices

Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 am (PST)

Dear Safaris,

As Hany said to me â€œI am just trying to make others avoid the mistakes I have doneâ€� So Iâ€™d love say thank you for everybody ,Have the same spirit to help. To let me avoid not being satisfied with the lensâ€¦ !

Your information was not only useful to me but I enjoyed reading your opinions and How youâ€™d love to help.

Nader

From: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mohamed Mabrouk
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:14 PM
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Dear Nader,

I guess you've served well. :) Actually I learnt new info like ideas for the lenses and dealers/branches in Egypt. :)
But I guess we all owe it to those who helped to place their contributions in one 'sub-section' in Cairo's Article on Photography as well as 'How-to do Photography in Egypt'. What do you think??? :)

Everybody then will simply sent it out to friends when they ask same questions and everybody can always update when there are new techniques and ideas in a single article to find. :)

If you need help, just ask here. :) many can help with DOs and DONT's

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org

-------
I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
-------

_____

From: Nader <nader_naim@spicelan d.com.eg>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 2:10:44 PM
Subject: RE: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Thank you Abeer so much..

From: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Abeer Maadawy
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:44 PM
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Canon have an official agent here in Cairo. Silicon 21.. you can make an order and they get things in about 2 weeks with a 1 year warranty ..

you can call: Sayed Kamal 0101715921

Abeer Maadawy

_____

From: Nader <nader_naim@spicelan d.com.eg>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 1:46:35 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Canon, lens

Hello everybody,

I recently bought (Canon t1i with lens 18-55mm ) but I donâ€™t know which lens to choose !!

what do you think about F 28-300mm?! or 70 _ 300mm ? and from where I can buy? New and used 90 % !

Nader Naim

Spice Kingdom

Mob. :+20.10.7800 007

:+20.12.2149 403

Tel. :+20.2.4610 3901-4

Fax :+20.2.46103 905

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11.: AN HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF PRIME MINISTERS OF EGYPT- 1878-1952. ( EPIS

Posted by: "The Egyptian Chronicles" the_egyptian_chronicles@... the_egyptian_chronicles

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:24 am (PST)

In this episode: Only a day after forming the new cabinet, the prime minister issued an edict postponing the opening of the Wafdist-majority parliament for a month. Things were not proceeding as Sidqi had planned. True, order prevailed as he read out the decree postponing the opening of parliament. However, instead of remaining silent, as he had hoped, the members of parliament responded by reciting their oath "to defend the constitution with all the power, money and spirit of sacrifice I possess". Meanwhile the new government responded by pledging to "instill peace of mind among the people and to work towards ensuring public order and safety by force if necessary. Thus started Sidqi's extremely controversial and oppressive political rule for the next three years.
To view more of Episode # 31 click the icon below:

http://www.theegypt ianchronicles. com/History/ PRIMEMINISTERS31 .html

The Egyptian Chronicles is a cooperative effort by a group of Egyptian authors pooling together their talents for the sake of Egypt's Future. Articles contained in these pages are the personal views and/or work of the authors, who bear the sole responsibility of the content of their work. This Monthly Electronic Magazine is a non-profit, commercial free zone and is answerable to no one.

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12a.: Re: Rally training course (Rally School)

Posted by: "Hany el Zorkany" hannoush_14@... hannoush_14

Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Dear Mabrouk,
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Although the name "Rally School" suggests it's a professional training course-in which it is-exclusive only for those who intend to participate in rallies whether as pilots (drivers), co-pilots or as assistants; yet it's of a great benefit for serious offroadersand for acquiring a unique and first-class knowledge and the know-hows involvedin this sport.
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TheÂ number of people getting offroadingin the desert as a recreational sport is increasingÂ rapidly every day. Great number of'em doesn't have the fundamental and essentialknowledge for handling such sport safely in the right way. They adoptÂ trial-& -error methodÂ along with shattered infogatheredfrom here and there. Coincidently,Â MoatazmsgOffroad ingSafety lessons learnedÂ is a living proof for that. Moatazlearned his lessons by trial & error and he leaned them the hard way.
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Now Rally school is a professional academy that provides more of such valuablelessons along with field trips for practical training giving by devoted experts each in his field. For the first time you have one reliable place that you'd gather all the info needed for offroadingfrom, whether to be prepared for rally sport or to practice offroadingsafely.
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Ahmed el Shamygraduated from rally school last year and it was his first time ever to go offroading!. .10 monthslater he settled5thoverall in PharaohsRally, the second toughest rally in the world!Â How is that for an achievementÂ example after the course!
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Cheers..
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Hany el Zorkany.
http://www.hanyphot ography.com

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From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@yahoo. com>
To: SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 11:46:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SaharaSafaris] Rally training course (Rally School)

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Dear Hany,

Can you give us some info about some of the achievements of those who graduated from the Rally School? It would be interesting to know how they fared 'after the course' rather than during. :)

Salaam
Mohamed Mabrouk
www.SaharaSafaris. org
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I might sound like a crazy dreamer but.. only crazy dreamers can come up with ideas like the Egyptian pyramids!
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From: Hany el Zorkany <hannoush_14@ yahoo.com>
To: Sahara Safaris <SaharaSafaris@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:19:25 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Rally training course (Rally School)

Dear all,

The rally school is back. After the success of the last school and the impressive results of its graduates in both the local rallies and the Pharaohs rally, we are very much excited about its potential and continuation.
It will be held in the Automobile club for theoretical sessions and in our vast deserts for the practical sessions. A first aid course is included as usual plus a general overview of all aspects of rally racing. The details are attached below in addition to the application form. The sessions will start on the 15th of November. Pls note that we can only accept a certain number of students so if interested, pls hurry up and fill an application. You can give the application along with the fees to Mr. Wael at the Automobile club (10 Kasr Elnil St.) during next week. The fees will cover all the course material plus the Food and Beverage during the desert outings and practical sessions. All the instructors are volunteering their time, effort and know-how for the success of the project and the benefit of the sport.
Pls spread the word for those you know are interested.
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DETAILS OF RALLY COURSE, OUTLINES AND TIMETABLE

The course would be scheduled in five distinct entities:
â€¢Novice school (Offroad 101)
â€¢A first aid course
â€¢Assistance Team and its Management
â€¢Navigation and Co-Piloting
â€¢Race and Piloting sessions

Course outline

â€¢ Novice School
1. Simple offroading and recovery techniques at low speeds
2. A general introduction to car mechanics

â€¢ A general first aid course covering potential desert emergencies and certified by Emergency First Response UK

â€¢ Assistance Team and its Management:
3. what is an assistance team and what is its role
4. Logistical issues
5. Equipment needs
6. Safety
7. Recovery
8. Communications
9. Navigation
10. Time management
11. Checklist
12. Duties of Assistance team and the assistance team manager

â€¢ Navigation and Co-piloting:
1. The Co-pilot Job
2. Introduction to navigation
3. Maps reading
4. GPS introduction
5. Road book and Terratrip
6. Instrumentation
7. Recovery and safety
8. Duties and role of the co-pilot
9. Helpful tips for co-piloting

â€¢ Race and piloting:
10. The passion of desert rallying
11. What is desert rallying
12. Safety, safety, safety: quality products, car preparation, self-preparation
13. Elements of a successful campaign
14. Vehicle preparation: to modify, build, buy or rent
15. Sponsorship
16. Strategy
17. Regulations: FIA, SCORE, others
18. Driving in different desert conditions: flat driving, rocky, sand and dune

Timetable:

Sunday 22th November Class - Novice
Friday 4th December Field - Novice
Sunday 6th December Class - Assistance
Friday/Saturday 11th&12th December First Aid
Sunday 13th December Class - Copilot
Friday/Saturday 18th&19th December Field - Copilot
Sunday 20th December Class - Copilot
Friday/Saturday 25th&26th December Field - Copilot
Sunday 17th January Class - Pilot
Friday/Saturday 22nd&23rd January Field - Pilot
Friday/Saturday 29th&30th January Field - Pilot
Sunday 31st January Graduation

Participating Fees: LE 1500

For entry form : http://www.facebook .com/l.php? u=http%3A% 2F%2Fefms. com.eg%2Fcontent %2Frally- school&h=2d92e14c05 4438c0b f2f3ff0120a2e55

You can contact me in person if you need to ask about any further details : 012 318 6354
Hany el Zorkany.
http://www.hanyphot ography.com

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From: "laloosa75" <angieelguindi@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

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Hi Guys please check this site below it has some good details on snakes in
Egypt.

Angie

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/snakesofegypt.htm

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From: Mohamed Mabrouk <desertmoh@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:41 am
Subject: Re: Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

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http://saharasafaris.org/wadi-degla

Dear Uli,

Well said! :)

Here's the Wadi Degla article (too short unfortunately) if you like to add something to it:

Surprisingly, it's a unique one on the web!!!! :) I mean not with its current info but with its openness to have all sorts of info and photos to it (send me the photos and i'll add them till the photo module is done, please!)

Salaam

Mohamed Mabrouk

www.SaharaSafaris.org

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From: "Uli @ Cairo" <gamousa@...>
To: SaharaSafaris@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 6:47:11 PM
Subject: [SaharaSafaris] Re: Horned viper in Wadi Degla

dear all who replied

thank you for all the information! Contradicting as it maybe in some
parts, the bottomline is clear: yes, there are very poisonous snakes in
Wadi Degla.
And they may be coming closer to where we are usually walking around due
to our expanding intrusion (new track near the canyon, if I understand
that correctly?)

So in then future, I will once more make sure that whoever is exploring
Degla with me follows the rules and does not let the kids run wild.
We have been discussing this issue often, how important it is for them
to know and respect nature.
I am re-reading tha book once more, Nature Deficit Syndrom, on how
limited contact with nature does impact children's development and their
understanding of the world.

I just want to make it clear, this snake was exactly next to the car
track, and my daughter was on my hand, trailing off the track with one
foot only (and no, not wearing sandals since in desert ...), and making
that big step OVER the grass patch precisely because she has been
thaught to never ever step INTO grassy patches or stick hands into bushes.
Even with all this precautions, we were simply lucky, thanks God.

And one last question: does anyone know which one would be the nearest
hospital to treat snakebites???

safe desert exploration to you all,
Uli (and Aisha)

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