Hi Pete and Happy New Year

I've used Partition Magic for years on my Windows XP computer. Really
easy to use and creates, deletes, and resizes partitions from within
windows. Nice interface...a super program. Don't have the latest
version but I guess it's as good as the older one I use. Good luck.

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Don, This is jack from west coast of FLA. Just bought
my first lap top Windows and I always a MAC guy. I
have "NO" concept what you guys use laptops for on
Sabres. ? I have GPS and before that loran so I'm more
seat of the pants than tech. But I need to learn. So I
down loaded Google earth yesterday  and put in my home
address and ZOOM it got the street correct but not the
house missed buy 8 houses ! But I was still impressed.
Least when George tries to take me out he'll smoke my
neighbor !?
  Can you sorta steer me in the correct direction. I'll
need a wireless card ! Right? No idea of where to
start.     Thank You,  Jack/ SANDPIPER
--- Don Teagno <djteagno@...> wrote:

> To All;
> I am in the process of hooking up an inexpensive AIS
> receiver to my 3210.
> Theres not much practical info out there yet, so i'm
> kind of on my own, but
> I'll let the group know what happens when I hook up
> the antenna and fire it
> up. I'm planning on trying it out in the Miami area
> to make sure there are
> lots of targets. A garmin rep gave me a software
> download for the 3210 and
> assured me that  it would work. We'll see.
> Don Teagno Andiamo 38II
>
>
> >From: "Eric" <sabre30_36@...>
> >Reply-To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic
> Identification System (AIS)
> >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:55:09 -0000
> >
> >Jim:
> >
> >I've been following the evolution of AIS with much
> interest.  So far
> >the only sub $200 receivers I have seen are one
> channel only models.
> >This would seem to be a bit of a problem.  Even
> those receivers that
> >switch channels every few minutes risk missing a
> transmission from
> >that tanker bearing down on you.  Lots of good
> information in the AIS
> >section of the Panbo blog (http://www.panbo.com).
> >
> >So far, the Milltech (and no, I'm not the Miller in
> Milltech) two
> >channel looks like the best for the money but the
> pricing is still
> >evolving and as manufacturers ramp up, prices
> should come down . . .
> >remember LORAN?
> >
> >I'd be interested to hear what you find out.
> >
> >Eric
> >Sabre 30 #36 "Spirit"
> >West River, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey
> <jas@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Automatic Identification System (AIS) is an
> international standard
> > > for automatic transmission of vessel data (name,
> position, speed,
> > > heading, etc) over VHF radio (see
> > > http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/ais.htm for
> more information).
> >Does
> > > anyone have experience with AIS, AIS receivers,
> or AIS software?
> > > Receivers seems to be available for under $200,
> which makes it a
> > > no-brainer for EChart.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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jack horner wrote:
> Don, This is jack from west coast of FLA. Just bought
> my first lap top Windows and I always a MAC guy. I
> have "NO" concept what you guys use laptops for on
> Sabres. ? I have GPS and before that loran so I'm more
> seat of the pants than tech. But I need to learn.

Three primary functions: Navigation, communication, and entertainment.

A notebook computer paired with cartographic GPS at the helm is a superb
combination -- much better than a chart/plotter in each location.  The
GPS provides the helmsman complete situational awareness, but the helm
is a lousy place to plan routes and a rocker switch is a lousy way to
interact.  Put a notebook below with decent software and free government
charts networked to the cockpit GPS, and you've got the best of two
worlds.  Toss AIS to display big traffic on the chart, and things get
really good.  I presume that you've read about fog?   It's not bad
stuff, but if you're not prepared for it, it cuts a sailing season in
half up here.  Being able to safely and comfortably thumb you nose at
fog is a great joy.

The ability to communicate effectively on board is becoming of paramount
importance to us boomers with elderly and ailing parents.  The collapse
of the radio telephones services left a void that simple cell phone
doesn't quite cover.  Add a cellphone amplifier and the range jumps to
40 miles.  Add a wireless card to the amplifier and you've got email and
the ability to browse when the emergencies pop up.

Finally, entertainment.  Nothing much better for passing the odd
noreaster than alternating trashy novels and good movies.   Short of a
DLP projector and a marina to plug it into, PCs are great.  Oh, and the
odd solitaire game while watching the  radar as the Westerbeke and
autopilot chug through the fog.

On last consideration that probably doesn't generalize.  For those of us
who work for virtual companies, our notebook is our office.  With a
notebook and communications, no rainy day cruising is a vacation day.

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter Tollini

To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 12/31/2006 10:52:18 AM

Subject: [SabreSailboat] Another Dedekam Book

I got an email from Amazon today, advertising "Illustrated Navigation" by Ivar Dedekam.  Has anyone seen the book?  If it's the same quality and usefulness as his Sail and Rig Tuning it would be another bargain at $20.00.

Pete

----- Original Message -----

From: jack horner

To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 1/1/2007 11:00:15 AM

Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic Identification System (AIS)

Don, This is jack from west coast of FLA. Just bought
my first lap top Windows and I always a MAC guy. I
have "NO" concept what you guys use laptops for on
Sabres. ? I have GPS and before that loran so I'm more
seat of the pants than tech. But I need to learn. So I
down loaded Google earth yesterday and put in my home
address and ZOOM it got the street correct but not the
house missed buy 8 houses ! But I was still impressed.
Least when George tries to take me out he'll smoke my
neighbor !?
Can you sorta steer me in the correct direction. I'll
need a wireless card ! Right? No idea of where to
start. Thank You, Jack/ SANDPIPER
--- Don Teagno <djteagno@hotmail.com> wrote:

> To All;
> I am in the process of hooking up an inexpensive AIS
> receiver to my 3210.
> Theres not much practical info out there yet, so i'm
> kind of on my own, but
> I'll let the group know what happens when I hook up
> the antenna and fire it
> up. I'm planning on trying it out in the Miami area
> to make sure there are
> lots of targets. A garmin rep gave me a software
> download for the 3210 and
> assured me that it would work. We'll see.
> Don Teagno Andiamo 38II
>
>
> >From: "Eric" <sabre30_36@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic
> Identification System (AIS)
> >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:55:09 -0000
> >
> >Jim:
> >
> >I've been following the evolution of AIS with much
> interest. So far
> >the only sub $200 receivers I have seen are one
> channel only models.
> >This would seem to be a bit of a problem. Even
> those receivers that
> >switch channels every few minutes risk missing a
> transmission from
> >that tanker bearing down on you. Lots of good
> information in the AIS
> >section of the Panbo blog (http://www.panbo.com).
> >
> >So far, the Milltech (and no, I'm not the Miller in
> Milltech) two
> >channel looks like the best for the money but the
> pricing is still
> >evolving and as manufacturers ramp up, prices
> should come down . . .
> >remember LORAN?
> >
> >I'd be interested to hear what you find out.
> >
> >Eric
> >Sabre 30 #36 "Spirit"
> >West River, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey
> <jas@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Automatic Identification System (AIS) is an
> international standard
> > > for automatic transmission of vessel data (name,
> position, speed,
> > > heading, etc) over VHF radio (see
> > > http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/ais.htm for
> more information).
> >Does
> > > anyone have experience with AIS, AIS receivers,
> or AIS software?
> > > Receivers seems to be available for under $200,
> which makes it a
> > > no-brainer for EChart.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Thanks Dan ,  Thats what I wanted to know. On my 28
there is little room but I always make do. I have my
chart plotter right now on a swing arm right inside
the companionway and swings out when needed. Garmen
192c, I don't even have my auto pilot interfaced with
the GPS.!
  So I want to move the GPS to the helm with the depth
sounder moved there to cause the crew, Mama always
sits in front of it. And I'm in skinny water often. So
replacement of the SS guard is necessary. so i can
have the GPS close and depth sounder. I have no use
for a knot meter at all my GPS can tell me that .  I
already scoped out a local SS guy who will custom one
1/2 the price of EDISON !  Always projects. So when I
do the guard I'll run enough wire for future
expansion.
  I'll have more questions when all this re do is over.

Thanks again kind sir
--- Daniel Trainor <daniel.trainor@...>
wrote:

> Hi Jack,
>
> Laptop PCs are wonderful complement to your primary
> navigation and communication equipment aboard.  If
> you have a chart plotter at helm ( best place it to
> be IMO), you can install a wired connection to it
> which goes from Chart plotter plug at helm down to
> your laptop at your Nav station.  Specific specific
> wiring connections, depend upon which brand/model of
> GPS chart plotter you have.  But on all, it is
> basically three wires, transmit, receive and signal
> ground. At Nav station, as a convience, you can
> install a plug mounted right within power panel.
> This is where you would plug in your laptop.  I
> happen to have installed a Garmin female plug on
> power panel and use a Garmin male to Serial Port
> cable to plug into back of laptop.  You can build
> the cable yourself or buy a pre-made one from GPS
> vendor. Once installed, you now have a means to
> establish a (standard NMEA 0183) navigation data
> connection between your laptop and your GPS chart
> plotter at the helm.   Next, you will need a Windows
> PC Navigation program (many to choose from - some
> very basic (free) - others very advanced ($$$) ) and
> a set nautical charts (NOAA BSB (raster) and ENC
> (vector) charts are free - other more advanced
> cartography cost $$$).
>
> Anyway, the Nav program will establish a data
> connection to your GPS Chart plotter at helm and
> enable the Navigation program and the GPS Chart
> plotter to exchange data parameters back and forth.
> Some of the basic functions you can then perform are
> uploading routes and way points (that you have
> defined using your Nav program) to your GPS chart
> plotter.  So, for example if you are planning a long
> trip, you can plan out routes / way points on a
> nautical chart displayed on your laptop at your
> leisure at home.  When you are happy with it, you
> can simply plug in your laptop and download any
> routes / way points you developed to GPS chart
> plotter on boat.  If you are pre-planning, this is
> more effective / less time consuming than using
> buttons on GPS chart plotter to enter this data.
> After your trip, you can download the actual track
> from your GPS chartplotter to your PC laptop and
> view it with the Nav program. Another advantage is
> that if you define all your routes / waypoints on PC
> (at a matter of course) and upload data to GPS
> periodically - you essentially have a data "back-up"
> of all your routes / waypoints on your computer -
> useful in the event that GPS Chartplotter data, for
> whatever reason, gets erased.
>
> Another useful thing you can do which underway, is
> to track the location, speed, bearing, etc of your
> boat "real-time" using the Nav program on your
> laptop.  This would be equivalent of having another
> chart plotter display down below at Nav station.
> But more flexible, because you can choose which Nav
> program(s) you wish to use at any one time.  There
> are various other functions this data connection can
> enable, but the specifics are too lengthy to list
> here.
>
> Now for communication purposes, if you install a
> broadband wireless card (which is basically a cell
> phone and a high-speed modem packaged together) into
> your laptop, you have essentially enabled all the
> capabilities of the Internet at your Nav station,
> provided you are within reach of the cell network.
> I happen to use Verizon broadband.  Now, you have an
> endless array of capabilities:  E-mail, Accessing
> web sites, making telephone calls (VO-IP  eg.
> Skype), Weather tracking, accesses to new Sat image
> mapping eg. Google Earth, etc etc, etc.
>
> Ofcourse, for most people this is obviously not
> required to have (paper chart / pencil / parrell
> rule / dividers) is more than you need) , but if you
> are of the "geeky-gadget-person" persuasion, it is
> sure fun to have this PC laptop functionality at the
> Nav Station, if for nothing else as a backup to the
> backup.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jack horner
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 1/1/2007 11:00:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic
> Identification System (AIS)
>
>
> Don, This is jack from west coast of FLA. Just
> bought
> my first lap top Windows and I always a MAC guy. I
> have "NO" concept what you guys use laptops for on
> Sabres. ? I have GPS and before that loran so I'm
> more
> seat of the pants than tech. But I need to learn. So
> I
> down loaded Google earth yesterday and put in my
> home
> address and ZOOM it got the street correct but not
> the
> house missed buy 8 houses ! But I was still
> impressed.
> Least when George tries to take me out he'll smoke
> my
> neighbor !?
> Can you sorta steer me in the correct direction.
> I'll
> need a wireless card ! Right? No idea of where to
> start. Thank You, Jack/ SANDPIPER
> --- Don Teagno <djteagno@...> wrote:
>
> > To All;
> > I am in the process of hooking up an inexpensive
> AIS
> > receiver to my 3210.
> > Theres not much practical info out there yet, so
> i'm
> > kind of on my own, but
> > I'll let the group know what happens when I hook
> up
> > the antenna and fire it
> > up. I'm planning on trying it out in the Miami
> area
> > to make sure there are
> > lots of targets. A garmin rep gave me a software
> > download for the 3210 and
> > assured me that it would work. We'll see.
> > Don Teagno Andiamo 38II
> >
> >
> > >From: "Eric" <sabre30_36@...>
> > >Reply-To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic
> > Identification System (AIS)
> > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:55:09 -0000
> > >
> > >Jim:
> > >
> > >I've been following the evolution of AIS with
> much
> > interest. So far
> > >the only sub $200 receivers I have seen are one
> > channel only models.
> > >This would seem to be a bit of a problem. Even
> > those receivers that
> > >switch channels every few minutes risk missing a
> > transmission from
> > >that tanker bearing down on you. Lots of good
> > information in the AIS
> > >section of the Panbo blog (http://www.panbo.com).
> > >
> > >So far, the Milltech (and no, I'm not the Miller
> in
> > Milltech) two
> > >channel looks like the best for the money but the
> > pricing is still
> > >evolving and as manufacturers ramp up, prices
> > should come down . . .
> > >remember LORAN?
> > >
> > >I'd be interested to hear what you find out.
> > >
> > >Eric
> > >Sabre 30 #36 "Spirit"
> > >West River, MD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey
> > <jas@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Automatic Identification System (AIS) is
> an
> > international standard
> > > > for automatic transmission of vessel data
> (name,
> > position, speed,
> > > > heading, etc) over VHF radio (see
> > > > http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/ais.htm
> for
> > more information).
> > >Does
> > > > anyone have experience with AIS, AIS
> receivers,
> > or AIS software?
> > > > Receivers seems to be available for under
> $200,
> > which makes it a
> > > > no-brainer for EChart.
> > > >
> > >
>
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Has anyone thought of using spectra line instead of
wire or coated wire for lifelines. I use it for my
topping lift and it is very strong. Any pluses or
minuses in using it for lifelines ? Regards and happy
new year to all. Barry, Sabre 28 #524 San Diego.

Has anyone thought of using spectra line instead of
wire or coated wire for lifelines. I use it for my
topping lift and it is very strong. Any pluses or
minuses in using it for lifelines ? Regards and happy
new year to all. Barry, Sabre 28 #524 San Diego.

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The spectra will creep and require a fair amount of adjustment
initially. The real question I have is chafe.

Also, if you race, the ORC regs just don't allow it other than in races
where lifelines are not required at all.

David



Barry Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone thought of using spectra line instead of
> wire or coated wire for lifelines. I use it for my
> topping lift and it is very strong. Any pluses or
> minuses in using it for lifelines ? Regards and happy
> new year to all. Barry, Sabre 28 #524 San Diego.
>


--
David
Atlantea, Sabre 38 MKII

Dan and Jim have done a great job describing practical applications
for laptops on-board. Have you had any problems with hardware
failures in your laptops due to condensation on circuitry? Is a
sealed case necessary; e.g., a Pelican box?

Thanks, Marc

'Stargazer' Sabre 36 1986 #30, Portsmouth, RI



--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Trainor"
<daniel.trainor@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> Laptop PCs are wonderful complement to your primary navigation and
communication equipment aboard.  If you have a chart plotter at helm
( best place it to be IMO), you can install a wired connection to it
which goes from Chart plotter plug at helm down to your laptop at
your Nav station.  Specific specific wiring connections, depend upon
which brand/model of GPS chart plotter you have.  But on all, it is
basically three wires, transmit, receive and signal ground. At Nav
station, as a convience, you can install a plug mounted right within
power panel.  This is where you would plug in your laptop.  I happen
to have installed a Garmin female plug on power panel and use a
Garmin male to Serial Port cable to plug into back of laptop.  You
can build the cable yourself or buy a pre-made one from GPS vendor.
Once installed, you now have a means to establish a (standard NMEA
0183) navigation data connection between your laptop and your GPS
chart plotter at the helm.   Next, you will need a Windows PC
Navigation program (many to choose from - some very basic (free) -
others very advanced ($$$) ) and a set nautical charts (NOAA BSB
(raster) and ENC (vector) charts are free - other more advanced
cartography cost $$$).
>
> Anyway, the Nav program will establish a data connection to your
GPS Chart plotter at helm and enable the Navigation program and the
GPS Chart plotter to exchange data parameters back and forth.  Some
of the basic functions you can then perform are uploading routes and
way points (that you have defined using your Nav program) to your
GPS chart plotter.  So, for example if you are planning a long trip,
you can plan out routes / way points on a nautical chart displayed
on your laptop at your leisure at home.  When you are happy with it,
you can simply plug in your laptop and download any routes / way
points you developed to GPS chart plotter on boat.  If you are pre-
planning, this is more effective / less time consuming than using
buttons on GPS chart plotter to enter this data.  After your trip,
you can download the actual track from your GPS chartplotter to your
PC laptop and view it with the Nav program. Another advantage is
that if you define all your routes / waypoints on PC (at a matter of
course) and upload data to GPS periodically - you essentially have a
data "back-up" of all your routes / waypoints on your computer -
useful in the event that GPS Chartplotter data, for whatever reason,
gets erased.
>
> Another useful thing you can do which underway, is to track the
location, speed, bearing, etc of your boat "real-time" using the Nav
program on your laptop.  This would be equivalent of having another
chart plotter display down below at Nav station.  But more flexible,
because you can choose which Nav program(s) you wish to use at any
one time.  There are various other functions this data connection
can enable, but the specifics are too lengthy to list here.
>
> Now for communication purposes, if you install a broadband
wireless card (which is basically a cell phone and a high-speed
modem packaged together) into your laptop, you have essentially
enabled all the capabilities of the Internet at your Nav station,
provided you are within reach of the cell network.  I happen to use
Verizon broadband.  Now, you have an endless array of capabilities:
E-mail, Accessing web sites, making telephone calls (VO-IP  eg.
Skype), Weather tracking, accesses to new Sat image mapping eg.
Google Earth, etc etc, etc.
>
> Ofcourse, for most people this is obviously not required to have
(paper chart / pencil / parrell rule / dividers) is more than you
need) , but if you are of the "geeky-gadget-person" persuasion, it
is sure fun to have this PC laptop functionality at the Nav Station,
if for nothing else as a backup to the backup.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jack horner
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 1/1/2007 11:00:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic Identification System
(AIS)
>
>
> Don, This is jack from west coast of FLA. Just bought
> my first lap top Windows and I always a MAC guy. I
> have "NO" concept what you guys use laptops for on
> Sabres. ? I have GPS and before that loran so I'm more
> seat of the pants than tech. But I need to learn. So I
> down loaded Google earth yesterday and put in my home
> address and ZOOM it got the street correct but not the
> house missed buy 8 houses ! But I was still impressed.
> Least when George tries to take me out he'll smoke my
> neighbor !?
> Can you sorta steer me in the correct direction. I'll
> need a wireless card ! Right? No idea of where to
> start. Thank You, Jack/ SANDPIPER
> --- Don Teagno <djteagno@...> wrote:
>
> > To All;
> > I am in the process of hooking up an inexpensive AIS
> > receiver to my 3210.
> > Theres not much practical info out there yet, so i'm
> > kind of on my own, but
> > I'll let the group know what happens when I hook up
> > the antenna and fire it
> > up. I'm planning on trying it out in the Miami area
> > to make sure there are
> > lots of targets. A garmin rep gave me a software
> > download for the 3210 and
> > assured me that it would work. We'll see.
> > Don Teagno Andiamo 38II
> >
> >
> > >From: "Eric" <sabre30_36@...>
> > >Reply-To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [SabreSailboat] Re: Automatic
> > Identification System (AIS)
> > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:55:09 -0000
> > >
> > >Jim:
> > >
> > >I've been following the evolution of AIS with much
> > interest. So far
> > >the only sub $200 receivers I have seen are one
> > channel only models.
> > >This would seem to be a bit of a problem. Even
> > those receivers that
> > >switch channels every few minutes risk missing a
> > transmission from
> > >that tanker bearing down on you. Lots of good
> > information in the AIS
> > >section of the Panbo blog (http://www.panbo.com).
> > >
> > >So far, the Milltech (and no, I'm not the Miller in
> > Milltech) two
> > >channel looks like the best for the money but the
> > pricing is still
> > >evolving and as manufacturers ramp up, prices
> > should come down . . .
> > >remember LORAN?
> > >
> > >I'd be interested to hear what you find out.
> > >
> > >Eric
> > >Sabre 30 #36 "Spirit"
> > >West River, MD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey
> > <jas@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Automatic Identification System (AIS) is an
> > international standard
> > > > for automatic transmission of vessel data (name,
> > position, speed,
> > > > heading, etc) over VHF radio (see
> > > > http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/ais.htm for
> > more information).
> > >Does
> > > > anyone have experience with AIS, AIS receivers,
> > or AIS software?
> > > > Receivers seems to be available for under $200,
> > which makes it a
> > > > no-brainer for EChart.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Marc wrote:
> Dan and Jim have done a great job describing practical applications
> for laptops on-board. Have you had any problems with hardware
> failures in your laptops due to condensation on circuitry? Is a
> sealed case necessary; e.g., a Pelican box?
>
>

I've been sailing with a notebook for a dozen years.  No problems at
all.  I would recommend using a notebook in the cockpit for lots a
reason -- relatively fragile, screen no suitable for direct sunlight,
too big, and the potential for water damage.  Notebook computers are
built for world wide distribution, and anything that works in Panama
will have no trouble in the upper latitudes.

There are two sources one really cheap notebooks: The Sunday fliers and
office hand-me-downs.  Keep in mind that there hasn't been a notebook
manufactured in a decade that wouldn't make an excellent boat PC.  The
only real considerations are the screen size (for movies, not
navigation) and enough memory to run a reasonably recent operating
system (WinXP suspends much better than previous MS OSes).

Marc wrote:
> Dan and Jim have done a great job describing practical applications
> for laptops on-board. Have you had any problems with hardware
> failures in your laptops due to condensation on circuitry? Is a
> sealed case necessary; e.g., a Pelican box?
>
>

I've been sailing with a notebook for a dozen years. No problems at
all. I would recommend using a notebook in the cockpit for lots a
reason -- relatively fragile, screen no suitable for direct sunlight,
too big, and the potential for water damage. Notebook computers are
built for world wide distribution, and anything that works in Panama
will have no trouble in the upper latitudes.

There are two sources one really cheap notebooks: The Sunday fliers and
office hand-me-downs. Keep in mind that there hasn't been a notebook
manufactured in a decade that wouldn't make an excellent boat PC. The
only real considerations are the screen size (for movies, not
navigation) and enough memory to run a reasonably recent operating
system (WinXP suspends much better than previous MS OSes).

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Hi Folks,

I need to replace the freshwater pump in "Light Waves" and I was
leaning toward the flojet quad II (rated highly by Practical Sailor in
2003). Anybody have any experience with this pump? Also, I notice that
some pumps come with strainers and some not. DO I need a strainer on
the freshwater pump? I don't think so, but I am so new to boat
ownership that I figured I'd check.


George

Sabre 32 "Light Waves"
1985
New Bern, NC

Guys and Girls

I had been having a problem keeping batteries up between visits, as we
don't have power to the dock, yet would like to winterize things.

I ordered a 110 watt Mitsubishi Kit from Hamilton-Ferris and did not
like the panel size compared to the aft rail space of our 38MkI so we
opted to mount the panel at the end of the dock and plug her in as we
would the shore power cable.

I found out when I got to the boat that our aft rail has an arc to it,
so the stock mount would have to be modified if one were to use it.  I
ended up mounting the panel with a down tilt facing due south and by
3PM had 13.75 volts and almost 2.2 amps going to the batteries with
the winter sun heading west and the temp around 55 degrees.

The anodized mounts and hardware, as well as the panel and charge
controller seem to be of great quality and were easy to install.
Rather than cut holes, I used the engine control panel as the
attachment point for the controller and meter.

Will keep you posted how well it works this winter.

dave

Dave,

Not sure from your post if you actually mounted your panels on the
boat or dock. I replaced the top lifelines from the gate to the
pushpit rail on both sides with 1" SS tube. This allows me to hang
my stern anchor and BBQ on the side of the boat as the rear rail is
already taken up with dinghy/outboard, etc. I saw this setup on
another S38 MkI and that owner had solar panels on both of those
rails which he could tilt to follow the sun. I have our panels on
top of the bimini but would have them on the side rails if I did not
have a bimini.

Jan
S38 Mk I #41, San Diego



--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "kd3pc1" <kd3pc@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Guys and Girls
>
> I had been having a problem keeping batteries up between visits,
as we
> don't have power to the dock, yet would like to winterize things.
>
> I ordered a 110 watt Mitsubishi Kit from Hamilton-Ferris and did
not
> like the panel size compared to the aft rail space of our 38MkI so
we
> opted to mount the panel at the end of the dock and plug her in as
we
> would the shore power cable.
>
> I found out when I got to the boat that our aft rail has an arc to
it,
> so the stock mount would have to be modified if one were to use
it.  I
> ended up mounting the panel with a down tilt facing due south and
by
> 3PM had 13.75 volts and almost 2.2 amps going to the batteries with
> the winter sun heading west and the temp around 55 degrees.
>
> The anodized mounts and hardware, as well as the panel and charge
> controller seem to be of great quality and were easy to install.
> Rather than cut holes, I used the engine control panel as the
> attachment point for the controller and meter.
>
> Will keep you posted how well it works this winter.
>
> dave
>

Pete,
I heard there is a way to add a VSD sensor and controller to your pump and get
all the benefits that your freind is enjoying.  I'm not near an internet
connection so can't look it up to send you the link.
Bruce
Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless

-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter Tollini" <pete@...>
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:36:54
To:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Water Pump

George -
We have a Jabsco PAR max 4 that works well, but - it sounds like a
mini-jackhammer in the quarterberth.  the FloJet is probably similar.  A friend
put the Jabsco VSD pump (@$40 more from Defender) in the identical boat and it
works just as well but is almost silent. You can remove the accumulator tank as
well with the VSD.
If I don't use a lot of fresh water and don't treat with Clorox, I get some
stringy algae in the tank, which the strainer catches. Sabre put a strainer on
the line about 1' from the tank. I recommend the strainer.
Pete
Solace
S30 Mk III

 
On 1/2/07, George Williams <wave_dancer44@: <mailto:wave_dancer44@...>
yahoo.com> wrote:




Hi Folks,

I need to replace the freshwater pump in "Light Waves" and I was
leaning toward the flojet quad II (rated highly by Practical Sailor in
2003). Anybody have any experience with this pump? Also, I notice that
some pumps come with strainers and some not. DO I need a strainer on
the freshwater pump? I don't think so, but I am so new to boat
ownership that I figured I'd check.

George

Sabre 32 "Light Waves"
1985
New Bern, NC

Jan

I mounted the panel on the dock, with the hopes of moving it to the
boat this summer when we travel more.  Your idea sounds great and the
mounts from HamiltonFerris would work perfectly with that arrangement.
  I could then raise and lower them for the sun and for docking with
out having the panel intrude on the cockpit side.

Thanks for the ideas.  I can work on that this winter.

dave



--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "workshoe99" <workshoe99@...> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Not sure from your post if you actually mounted your panels on the
> boat or dock. I replaced the top lifelines from the gate to the
> pushpit rail on both sides with 1" SS tube. This allows me to hang
> my stern anchor and BBQ on the side of the boat as the rear rail is
> already taken up with dinghy/outboard, etc. I saw this setup on
> another S38 MkI and that owner had solar panels on both of those
> rails which he could tilt to follow the sun. I have our panels on
> top of the bimini but would have them on the side rails if I did not
> have a bimini.
>
> Jan
> S38 Mk I #41, San Diego
>
>
>
> --- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "kd3pc1" <kd3pc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys and Girls
> >
> > I had been having a problem keeping batteries up between visits,
> as we
> > don't have power to the dock, yet would like to winterize things.
> >
> > I ordered a 110 watt Mitsubishi Kit from Hamilton-Ferris and did
> not
> > like the panel size compared to the aft rail space of our 38MkI so
> we
> > opted to mount the panel at the end of the dock and plug her in as
> we
> > would the shore power cable.
> >
> > I found out when I got to the boat that our aft rail has an arc to
> it,
> > so the stock mount would have to be modified if one were to use
> it.  I
> > ended up mounting the panel with a down tilt facing due south and
> by
> > 3PM had 13.75 volts and almost 2.2 amps going to the batteries with
> > the winter sun heading west and the temp around 55 degrees.
> >
> > The anodized mounts and hardware, as well as the panel and charge
> > controller seem to be of great quality and were easy to install.
> > Rather than cut holes, I used the engine control panel as the
> > attachment point for the controller and meter.
> >
> > Will keep you posted how well it works this winter.
> >
> > dave
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Blalock
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:30 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Solar panel install

If you have davits the panel could go on top.  The 165 watt Kyocera on our davits is out of the way and out of mind.  A smart three stage regulator down is down below.

Bill B

S38mk1 #88

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Burke

To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:16 AM

Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Solar panel install

On a typical sunny Florida winter day how many AH's do you think you get out of your 165W panel?

 

                    Ed

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Blalock
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:30 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Solar panel install

If you have davits the panel could go on top.  The 165 watt Kyocera on our davits is out of the way and out of mind.  A smart three stage regulator down is down below.

Bill B

S38mk1 #88

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Blalock

To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:41 AM

Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Solar panel install

I'd guess a little over forty AH on a nice day, but I don't have anything sophisticated like a Heart to confirm that.  The panel was advertised as providing AH of roughly 1/3 the wattage at this latitude, or 55 AH, but you have to take that with a grain of salt.  Estimating known usage against replenishment from the panel seems to always equal a little over 40 AH.  Or, applying a 'reasonableness test' for: 12 hours of usable daylight - having the regulator with a digital readout in an easy to see spot giving a good idea of what the panel puts out - a peak amperage of almost 7 amps - a 'just guessing' rough numerical sequence of AH provided per hour, such as 1 2 3 4 5 6 6 5 4 3 2 1 gives you about the same number of AH.

Bill B

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Burke

To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:16 AM

Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Solar panel install

On a typical sunny Florida winter day how many AH's do you think you get out of your 165W panel?

 

                    Ed

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Blalock
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:30 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Solar panel install

If you have davits the panel could go on top.  The 165 watt Kyocera on our davits is out of the way and out of mind.  A smart three stage regulator down is down below.

Bill B

S38mk1 #88

Weight and strength should not be a problem - I'd worry about
deterioration due to UV exposure.

Eric
Sabre 30 #36 "Spirit"
West River, MD

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, john kalinowski
<sabre32sailor@...> wrote:
>
> Alantic thinks it is ok.
>
>
http://ayrs.net/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1124203312&archive=&start_from=&u\
cat=&
>
>   Most 1 designs meant for offshore say you will use s/s.
>   You need to add the cost of thimbles being spliced to line cost.
>   Not sure what the lifespan for it is.
>   You better make sure there is not chafe at the stantions.
>
>   I wonder how much crude it holds & then transfers to the genoa.
>   Guess I need to ask some questions to the ropemakers in Philly in
a couple weeks.
>
>   john
>
> Barry Moskowitz <teddier@...> wrote:
>           Has anyone thought of using spectra line instead of
> wire or coated wire for lifelines. I use it for my
> topping lift and it is very strong. Any pluses or
> minuses in using it for lifelines ? Regards and happy
> new year to all. Barry, Sabre 28 #524 San Diego.
>
>
>
>
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Ed,

Are you in South Florida yet?  What charts and guidebooks do you have, or recommend, for down there?  The Admiral has cast her vote for the Exumas, so I'll start moving our boat south to Miami once the steering is back together.  I've never sailed south of Lake Worth/West Palm; advice from anyone familiar with the area south to Biscayne Bay would be very welcome.  We hope to cross via Gun Cay and Nassau around the last week in January.

Bill B

S38mk1 #88

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Burke

To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:37 PM

Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] South to Biscayne Bay

Bill, et al,

 

    Merlin is in Port Salerno awaiting our return from our holiday trip home.  We should be back on board Friday and after some serious provisioning, installing the solar panels, wiring in the two new T-105's, picking up our two CNG tanks in Fort Pierce (refilled by the local gas co) and a repair to the transmission dipstick we should be heading to Lake Worth,  I'm thinking more of heading to the Abacos since it seems like there are more short interesting sails and might work better for our visitors (we have at least two groups flying down to visit).  Although most seem to say that the winter fronts are less likely in the Exumas, so far this year it seems to be about the same.  I also gather that most people, once they find their achorage in George Town, don't seem to do much more sailing and exploring.  Anyway we've not yet been to the Abacos.  We haven't decided 100%  what our plans are, but Andiamo seems to be going your way, although maybe a bit earlier.  Keep in touch, at least off list as you progress and we will too.

 

                Ed and Tina Burke

                Merlin

                http://home.comcast.net/~svmerlin

 

 

 

 : Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Blalock
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:42 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] South to Biscayne Bay

Ed,

Are you in South Florida yet?  What charts and guidebooks do you have, or recommend, for down there?  The Admiral has cast her vote for the Exumas, so I'll start moving our boat south to Miami once the steering is back together.  I've never sailed south of Lake Worth/West Palm; advice from anyone familiar with the area south to Biscayne Bay would be very welcome.  We hope to cross via Gun Cay and Nassau around the last week in January.

Bill B

S38mk1 #88