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I can't thank you enough for the list . I'm not sure I'll do the lazy jack thing at the same time . What did you do to the overhead liner in the main cabin after you cut holes in it for your backing plates etc ? Lee

Carter Brey <cbrey@...> wrote:

Jack (Lee),

Yeah, I wish I had 2-speed ST's on my cabin top. I hate cranking and
tailing simultaneously. Means I have to put down my drink.

Okay, Garhauer part #'s and prices (which may have changed):

Double rope clutches: Item # 11-12S, $85.18 each.
Quad (2 over 2) deck organizers: Item # 30-DO-QB, $75.28 each (I also
run halyards, vang, topping lift and retractable lazy jack lines through
the organizers).
Turning blocks (basically just single blocks with swivel shackles): Item
# 25-13 US $18.63 each.
Aluminum body luff blocks: Item # 25-13UAG, $16 each.
Cheek blocks for boom: Item # 25-22SB, $22.20 each.
Backing plates for clutches: $12 each.
Backing plates for deck organizers: $10 each.

This is all based on 3/8" and 5/16" Samson XLS lo-stretch polyester line
for the halyards and reefing lines respectively.

The lazy jacks, vang and topping lift terminate at cam cleats. For the
vang and topping lift I used Ronstans with fairleads that let me cleat
and uncleat without having to be on top of the damned things. For the
small lazy jack lines (1/4" sta-set) I got a good closeout deal on some
small Holt-Allen racing cam cleats, also with all-angle fairleads. So I
don't have to put down that drink.

Here is the design I used for the retractable lazy jacks:

http://www.slowflight.net/upgrades/lazyjacks_how-to.html

You can see mine in the Photos section on the Sabre website. The
materials cost me around 80 bucks.

To fill in the holes that were left over from moving all that hardware
around the cabin top, I used matching gelcoat from MiniCraft. If you
squint and wear really dark sunglasses, you'd never know...

It's a lot of work, but I've seen what you can do, and you're the man.

Best regards, and good luck,
Carter
S28 Mk II #532 "Delphine"
City Island, NY

jack horner wrote:
> Carter, that was my next question so you used all Garhauer stuff. If
> you can remember what the model numbers were on the blocks the
> clutches etc. I'm going to do the exact thing thank you for doing
> this and making it easy for us to copy. Deck organigers too .
> Last year at Annapolis show i pickedup a 2 speed winch Anderson for
> the main halyard. 2 speeds makes it easier for moma to crank me up the
> mast . Love my Anderson . thanks LEE

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#13256

From: Gib Metcalf <gib@...>
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:25 am
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

gemetcalf

We'll get the work done. In a few years the pain of the $ will go away. But we like the boat quite a bit.
Thanks for the feedback.
Gib

David Felsenthal wrote:

I owned a boat worth about 16K. The boat was damaged while sitting on a
mooring by another boat that broke loose during a storm.

The hull needed repainting at the time. The insurance would not pay the
full cost of a repaint because the old paint was already 15 years old.
Not unreasonable. We kicked in the rest of the repaint money. At the
same time there was some deck core that needed replacing. The total for
the entire job was 16K, including the portion paid for by insurance.
What the boat was worth.

We went for it and owned the boat for 4 more satisfied years.

I have no regrets about spending the money. It worked out.

IF we had not really liked the boat, maybe we would have taken the
insurance check and walked. That was an option we discussed, but turned
down.

David

Dave Lochner wrote:
> Gib,
>
> One of the first questions I think you should be asking is "what are my
> long term plans for the boat?"
>
> If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the boat. Spread
> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>
> If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't really
> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could put
> 5K into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
> however, if the repair was done well.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>
>> I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the foredeck
>> area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core damage is
>> pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been quoted a
>> price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two different
>> outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated estimates. For a
>> boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what point does
>> one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a 1979 Sabre
>> with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape). My
>> thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet) but I
>> thought I should see what people think.
>>
>> Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was able to do
>> the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to reduce my cost
>> by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
>> Thanks.
>> Gib
>> Troubadour S28-446
>> Salem, MA
>>
>
>

#13257

From: "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:51 am
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

eburke73

With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider having the entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the looke of a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits and the value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other than to repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had two deck repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years ago when we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the patch faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when the second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I believe the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks great and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was flawless. I think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing her for as long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk it up to the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.

Ed Burke

Merlin Sabre 38MKI (for sale)

http://home.comcast.net/~svmerlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

Gib,

One of the first questions I think you should be asking is "what are my long term plans for the boat?"

If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the boat. Spread out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.

If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't really matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could put 5K into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell, however, if the repair was done well.

Dave

On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:

I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the foredeck
area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core damage is
pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been quoted a
price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two different
outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated estimates. For a
boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what point does
one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a 1979 Sabre
with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape). My
thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet) but I
thought I should see what people think.

Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was able to do
the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to reduce my cost
by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
Thanks.
Gib
Troubadour S28-446
Salem, MA

#13258

From: The Aviation Buff <avnbuf915@...>
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Re:New subject MD7A repair woos

avnbuf915

I remember the stay in Miami, what a summer, the water needed refrigeration.

----- Original Message ----
From: jack horner <captbluwater@...>
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Re:New subject MD7A repair woos

89 degrees and I'm not lying one degree !! lee

"sid_w@yahoo. com" <sid_w@yahoo. com> wrote:

89 degrees, huh? no wonder your engine overheats :^)

Original Message:
------------ -----
From: jack horner captbluwater@ yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:46:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Re:New subject MD7A repair woos

Jan, Yeah raw water florida 89 temp water in the Anclote river tarpon
springs fla
Lee

The Aviation Buff <avnbuf915@yahoo. com> wrote:

Jan,

Is your boat raw water cooled?

I'm still working on the various configurations.

Thanks for the info

FAdams
S28-290
"Serenity"

----- Original Message ----
From: jack horner <captbluwater@ yahoo.com>
To: Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:42:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Re:New subject MD7A repair woos

Guys, After paying the area Ace machinic $ 825. and still having the
same problemof overheating . I found out my sailing buddy was a airforce f
16 mechinic. So both of us tore into it.
We removed the exhaust manifold than the head, man were the water
passages clogged. So we unclogged all of them vacuumed them clean, and
today i have the compressor down on the boat to blow them clean. I ordered
all new gaskets
too.
One half the problem was a bad thermostat and I bought a new Volvo one at
55.99 and it was bad too ! Got my money back and got another 55.99 !
Engine was better but now all passages for water are cleaned should be
perfect.
I have access to a thermo coupler from a engineer sailor so I'll try that
just to see.
Its not cause I'm not trying But I have no choice and I must learn this
stuff. Lee Fla 1982 Sabre 28/ Sandpiper MD7A
Jan Meermans <workshoe99@ yahoo. com> wrote:
Peter,

Never heard or used condensed milk for drilling SS, however I have
found a metal cutting compound, Nikx Stikx, that really helps. I
bought mine at a local metal supply house but here is a
website that has it.
http://littlemachin eshop.com/ products/ product_view. php?ProductID=
3089&category= -1229644699

Just stick your drill bit in the tube to get some on the tool and
start drilling. Part way through repeat the process. Pretty amazing stuff.

Jan S38 Mk I San Diego, La Paz

--- In Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com, "vanbeckump" <vanbeckump@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Has anybody ever heard of using condensed milk as a lube for drilling
> in stainless steel? It's a suggestion i found searching the
internets!!!
>
> Peter Van Beckum
>
>
> --- In Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com, "vanbeckump" <vanbeckump@ > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Carter.
> >
> > Looks like I'll have to empty out the lockers and conscript my 135#
> > girlfriend to do the below deck work.
> >
> > Peter Van Beckum
> >
> > --- In Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com, <cbrey@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > I had two sizable cables to run through the deck, so I used a 1/2"
> > spade bit to drill through the center of the pedestal guard footprint.
> > >
> > > I used a precision tool (translation: screwdriver) to ream out the
> > balsa core from around the perimeter of the hole.
> > >
> > > Then I sealed the bottom of the hole with tape and filled the space
> > with unthickened epoxy. I waited a couple of minutes to allow it
to wick
> > into the surrounding balsa, then drained it out into a plastic cup
> > positioned below.
> > >
> > > I then added silica thickener to the epoxy to bring it to peanut
> > butter consistency and troweled it sideways into the gap around the
> > hole.
> > >
> > > The next day, after it had hardened, I used a file and sandpaper to
> > smooth out the sharp edges to avoid abrasion of the cables.
> > >
> > > Your idea to run the cables out through the underside of the top
> > crossbar of the guard is great. Wish I'd thought of that.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Carter Brey
> > > S28 MkII #532 "Delphine"
> > > City Island, NY
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: "vanbeckump" vanbeckump@
> > > Subj: [SabreSailboat] Re: gps antenna cable connector
> > > Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:54 am
> > > Size: 3K
> > > To: Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > How do I deal with the hole I will have to drill through he cockpit
> > > sole? I assume that I will remove the pedestal guard and drill
> > > through the foot and sole. I need to protect the balsa core right?
> > > Can I just put down a nice layer of sealant under the pedestal guard
> > > foot or will this eventually leak and allow my sole to rot?
> > >
> > > I was thinking I would route the antenna wire up through the top
arch
> > > of the guard so that the wire exited the pipe angled downward and
> > > wouldn't carry water.
> > >
> > > Peter Van Beckum
> > > S-30 MK3 "Airborne"
> > > Noank, CT
> > >
> > > --- In Sabresailboat@ yahoogroups. com, Carter Brey cbrey@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Peter,
> > > >
> > > > regarding drilling the pedestal guard: When installing my GPS and
> > wheel
> > > > pilot cables, I used a nail set to punch a starter dimple into the
> > > > stainless steel so that the bit would stay put. Once the hole was
> > > > drilled (using a carbide bit) I de-burred and smoothed the inside
> > edge
> > > > with a small rat-tail file. The final step was to fit a nylon
> > > grommet; I
> > > > bought a large selection of various sizes from We$t Marine (they
> > also
> > > > make discreet bumpers to keep bulkhead-mounted speakers from
moving
> > > > around in a seaway). One thing to remember is that it's the inside
> > > > diameter of the grommet, not the hole itself, that has to be sized
> > > for a
> > > > snug fit around the cable. The grommets have outside edge channels
> > > which
> > > > accept the steel edge of the hole. To get the cable to run easily
> > > > through the nylon, you can use a little silicone spray, but
remember
> > to
> > > > remove that before trying to apply any kind of weather sealant
like
> > > > silicon rubber.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Carter Brey
> > > > S28 MkII #532 "Delphine"
> > > > City Island, NY
> > > >
> > > > vanbeckump wrote:
> > > > > I have been advised not to clip the connector off of my
> > chart-plotter
> > > > > antenna wire when I mount the plotter at the helm. The idea was
> > that
> > > > > a mere, underpaid boat owner cannot possibly attach the new
> > connector
> > > > > properly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to drill smaller holes when I rout the wire through the
> > > > > pedestal guard etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of which, how might I accurately and efficiently drill
> > > > > through the stainless steel pipe?
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to know both how to attach the connector AND where to buy
> > the
> > > > > connector and the crimping tool to do the job. It would be nice
> > to
> > > > > fit some sort of grommet in the hole too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I assume that even with a bit of tool/part buying I will
come out
> > > > > ahead in knowledge and expense by doing it myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a handy guy with a pretty good tool kit already so cut me
> > loose!
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter Van Beckum
> > > > > s-30 mk3 "Airborne"
> > > > > noank, ct
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
>

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#13259

From: Jim Starkey <jas@...>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2007 5:52 pm
Subject: Noel Storm Watch

humblecoder

If you are in the general Salem Sound (Massachusetts) area, my wife and
I are hosting an informal open house tomorrow from noon to about 5 pm to
watch Noel blow into town seven weeks early.  I figure that we make a
big enough deal of gathering to watch the storm the storm will wimp out,
to everyone's benefit.  Mild munchies will be provided but malted
beverage and surplus / purloined Halloween (no questions asked!) will
not be refused.

We live in Manchester next door to the Manchester Yacht Club at the end
of Tuck's Point Road.  Come into Manchester on route 127 (aka Bridge
Street) west of town.  Turn onto Harbor St.  at the Old Corner Inn.
Turn left onto Tuck's Point Road after the railroad bridge.  We're the
last driveway on the right.  More detailed directions can be found on
the MYC web site (http://www.manchesteryachtclub.org/location177.html).
Travel by boat is discouraged.

--
James Starkey, Senior Software Architect
MySQL Inc., Manchester, MA, USA, www.mysql.com
Office:      978 526-1376

#13260

From: "Jan Meermans" <workshoe99@...>
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Noel Storm Watch

workshoe99

Jim and all my New Englander friends:

I sincerely hope that your gathering is pointless and you have
nothing to watch. I'd come if I could and thanks for the invite. My
turn to pull for you folks in the high winds/seas.

Jan Capriccio S38 Mk I San Diego, La Paz, Mex



--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey <jas@...> wrote:
>
> If you are in the general Salem Sound (Massachusetts) area, my wife
and
> I are hosting an informal open house tomorrow from noon to about 5
pm to
> watch Noel blow into town seven weeks early.  I figure that we make
a
> big enough deal of gathering to watch the storm the storm will wimp
out,
> to everyone's benefit.  Mild munchies will be provided but malted
> beverage and surplus / purloined Halloween (no questions asked!)
will
> not be refused.
>
> We live in Manchester next door to the Manchester Yacht Club at the
end
> of Tuck's Point Road.  Come into Manchester on route 127 (aka
Bridge
> Street) west of town.  Turn onto Harbor St.  at the Old Corner
Inn.
> Turn left onto Tuck's Point Road after the railroad bridge.  We're
the
> last driveway on the right.  More detailed directions can be found
on
> the MYC web site
(http://www.manchesteryachtclub.org/location177.html).
> Travel by boat is discouraged.
>
> --
> James Starkey, Senior Software Architect
> MySQL Inc., Manchester, MA, USA, www.mysql.com
> Office:      978 526-1376
>

#13261

From: "Dave Evans" <dave@...>
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: Noel Storm Watch

dgevans02134

Jim,
Wish we could drive up, but think will head to Onset to check on
Hickory Wind and the cottage. This is a clear failure of the "red
skies at night" rule; here's Allston last evening:
http://images.sailonset.com/DSCN2637x750.jpg
dge

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey <jas@...> wrote:
>
> If you are in the general Salem Sound (Massachusetts) area, my wife
and
> I are hosting an informal open house tomorrow from noon to about 5
pm to
> watch Noel blow into town seven weeks early.  I figure that we make
a
> big enough deal of gathering to watch the storm the storm will wimp
out,
> to everyone's benefit.  Mild munchies will be provided but malted
> beverage and surplus / purloined Halloween (no questions asked!)
will
> not be refused.
>
> We live in Manchester next door to the Manchester Yacht Club at the
end
> of Tuck's Point Road.  Come into Manchester on route 127 (aka
Bridge
> Street) west of town.  Turn onto Harbor St.  at the Old Corner
Inn.
> Turn left onto Tuck's Point Road after the railroad bridge.  We're
the
> last driveway on the right.  More detailed directions can be found
on
> the MYC web site
(http://www.manchesteryachtclub.org/location177.html).
> Travel by boat is discouraged.
>
> --
> James Starkey, Senior Software Architect
> MySQL Inc., Manchester, MA, USA, www.mysql.com
> Office:      978 526-1376
>

#13262

From: "followingsea2001" <mnthomas@...>
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 6:34 pm
Subject: Inflation Pump for Dinghy

followingsea...

Anyone care to recommend or for that matter warn against a specific
brand or model of inflation pump for dinghies? I have a high pressure
floor model and we have decided we need new legs or a DC electric pump!

Martin
Kokopelli S34II #291

#13263

From: "Peter Tollini" <pete@...>
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 9:22 pm
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Inflation Pump for Dinghy

petertr3

Martin –

I use a generic (cheap) 12v pistol pump to get everything inflated, then finish it off with a couple of stomps on the foot pump.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of followingsea2001
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:35 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Inflation Pump for Dinghy

Anyone care to recommend or for that matter warn against a specific
brand or model of inflation pump for dinghies? I have a high pressure
floor model and we have decided we need new legs or a DC electric pump!

Martin
Kokopelli S34II #291

#13264

From: Carter Brey <cbrey@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 3:18 am
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Inflation Pump for Dinghy

carter_brey

I use a Bravo 10 foot pump for my Avon Redcrest 9' inflatable. I like it
a lot, and other crews at anchorages enjoy the spectacle of someone
seeming to stomp a small animal to death in the cockpit.

#13265

From: "Phil Shepard" <PWS-E@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 2:04 pm
Subject: TeleCAM - Stage Harbor, Chatham, MA on Cape Cod

shep178

http://www.telecamsystems.com/chatham/index.htm

This is a link to the web cam at Stage Harbor, Chatham, Cape Cod at about 4
o'clock yesterday afternoon. It appears that the web cam stopped working at
that time as the picture is frozen.

Phil

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#13266

From: "Phil Shepard" <PWS-E@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 2:12 pm
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] TeleCAM - Stage Harbor, Chatham, MA on Cape Cod

shep178

Click on the Fish Pier site too. It seems that there web cam went out at 4 PM too.

Phil

From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Shepard
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:05 AM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] TeleCAM - Stage Harbor, Chatham, MA on Cape Cod

http://www.telecamsystems.com/chatham/index.htm

This is a link to the web cam at Stage Harbor, Chatham, Cape Cod at about 4
o'clock yesterday afternoon. It appears that the web cam stopped working at
that time as the picture is frozen.

Phil

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#13267

From: "Charlie Hodgman" <chodgmanjr@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:12 pm
Subject: More opinions needed.

chodgmanjr

Hey all, I'm getting ready to shrink wrap Pajama girl for the winter
and thought I might squeeze in one more project. It has become
apparent during washing and rains, that the scuppers are woefully
undersized.  Has anyone out there addressed this issue?  Boat is a 34
MkI and scuppers are @ 3/4" tubes.  Next, having recovered from my
boat show spending spree, I'm looking at a folding prop.  The Gori
seems to offer the most advantages in my price range. Is anyone using
a Gori? any comments positive or negative would be appreciated.
Thanks, Charlie.    P.S.  Go Pats

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#13268

From: Alan Baldwin <sailorab1@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Inflation Pump for Dinghy

sailorab1

Martin, I have a small 12v "squirell cage" type pump made by Sevylor. It moves a lot of air quickly, and sucks as well as blows, which is sometimes useful! The only downside is it sounds like Concorde taking off, but it inflates a dinghy really quickly. It will get the tubes hard enough to be just about usable, but a few pumps with the foot pump are needed to get to the right pressure. It is getting on for ten years old, and so far very reliable, Alan.

followingsea2001 <mnthomas@...> wrote:

Anyone care to recommend or for that matter warn against a specific
brand or model of inflation pump for dinghies? I have a high pressure
floor model and we have decided we need new legs or a DC electric pump!

Martin
Kokopelli S34II #291

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#13269

From: "Dave Evans" <dave@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: Inflation Pump for Dinghy

dgevans02134

Another Bravo 10 (HP) user here. Yes it is silly to use (or be seen
using) but works fine. Came with our Achilles and does the tubes and
floor. When at the boat, works best if the pump is on the deck where
it's easier to foot.
dge
--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Carter Brey <cbrey@...> wrote:
>
> I use a Bravo 10 foot pump for my Avon Redcrest 9' inflatable. I like
it
> a lot, and other crews at anchorages enjoy the spectacle of someone
> seeming to stomp a small animal to death in the cockpit.
>

#13270

From: "yaf001" <yaf001@...>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 1:12 am
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] Re: Inflation Pump for Dinghy

yaf001

Yep, I second (or terciate?) the vote so far – another Bravo here, it’s great.

I find that it’s a great exercise maintaining balance on one foot while doing Saint Vitus’ dance in the cockpit, or on the dock.

The big trick is to be able to rotate through 360 degrees while still pumping effectively, so that you can scan the horizon whilst your inflatable lives up to its name. Put a lively tarantella on the stereo and heat to 325 degrees, while stirring rapidly J

Yves

From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Evans
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SabreSailboat] Re: Inflation Pump for Dinghy

Another Bravo 10 (HP) user here. Yes it is silly to use (or be seen
using) but works fine. Came with our Achilles and does the tubes and
floor. When at the boat, works best if the pump is on the deck where
it's easier to foot.
dge
--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Carter Brey <cbrey@...> wrote:
>
> I use a Bravo 10 foot pump for my Avon Redcrest 9' inflatable. I like
it
> a lot, and other crews at anchorages enjoy the spectacle of someone
> seeming to stomp a small animal to death in the cockpit.
>

#13271

From: "John Kalinowski" <sabre32sailor@...>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Super Bright LEDs, Inc.

sabre32sailor

From today's natical news at www.bostonboating.com

And last on today's nautical news, talk about an unlikely discovery.
Salmon sperm makes brighter lights. Andrew Steckl, an expert in
photonics from the University of Cincinnati, has discovered that
salmon sperm can make LEDs, Light Emitting Diodes, brighter! And the
best part of his discovery is that the fishing industry has had no
use for the salmon sperm. It's been thrown away by the ton. Talk
about one man's trash being another man's treasure! Steckl remarked
that the salmon sperm is natural, renewable, and perfectly
biodegradable. Can you believe he is now receiving salmon sperm by
the truckload! You have heard about sperm whales. Think sperm salmon!

john

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Trainor"
<daniel.trainor@...> wrote:
>
> Having researched this recently, I have not really found anything
in-between
> the two.  I paid the piper and went with the Sensibulbs
replacements for all
> interior bulbs, including the edison type adapters for the bulkhead
lights.
> Nice soft-white color and decent brightness.  I also used a red
colored one
> over the Nav table. They appear to me to be the best LED
replacements for
> this application right now - but as we know, you definitely pay a
premium.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 4/9/07, Jim Starkey <jas@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Super Bright LEDs, Inc. (www.superbrightleds.com) sells direct
> > replacement LED clusters for internal incandescent for a fairly
> > reasonable price. And if you like slightly violet light a little
too
> > dim to read by, you'll probably be quite pleased with their
products.
> >
> > Sensibulbs seem to be highly regarded and only about four times
the
> > price of Super Bright LEDs. Anybody know of anything acceptable
> > somewhere between the two?
> >
> > --
> > James Starkey, Senior Software Architect
> > MySQL Inc., Manchester, MA, USA, www.mysql.com
> > Office: 978 526-1376
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dan
>

#13272

From: "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 12:27 pm
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

eburke73

Very strange. I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got distributed just today!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider having the entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the looke of a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits and the value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other than to repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had two deck repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years ago when we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the patch faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when the second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I believe the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks great and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was flawless. I think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing her for as long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk it up to the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.

                                                    Ed Burke

                                                    Merlin Sabre 38MKI (for sale)

                                                    http://home.comcast.net/~svmerlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

Gib,

One of the first questions I think you should be asking is "what are my long term plans for the boat?"

If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the boat. Spread out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.

If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't really matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could put 5K into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell, however, if the repair was done well.

Dave

On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:

I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the foredeck
area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core damage is
pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been quoted a
price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two different
outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated estimates. For a
boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what point does
one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a 1979 Sabre
with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape). My
thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet) but I
thought I should see what people think.

Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was able to do
the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to reduce my cost
by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
Thanks.
Gib
Troubadour S28-446
Salem, MA

#13273

From: "Dave Evans" <dave@...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2007 11:11 pm
Subject: And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

dgevans02134

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
wrote:
>
> Very strange.  I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
distributed just
> today!
>
>                     Ed
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
>   Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
>   To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
>
>   With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
having the
> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair.  Nothing like the
looke of
> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
and the
> value of the boat.  Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
than to
> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat.  I've had
two deck
> repairs done to Merlin.  The first around the mast around 7 years
ago when
> we bought her.  The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
patch
> faired into the deck.  I had the patch refaired and repainted when
the
> second repair was done.  The second repair was in the side deck.  I
believe
> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job.  It looks
great
> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
flawless.  I
> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
her for as
> long as you want.  As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
it up to
> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>
>                                                       Ed Burke
>                                                       Merlin Sabre
38MKI
> (for sale)
>
http://home.comcast.ne
> t/~svmerlin
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
>     Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
>     To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>     Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
>     Gib,
>
>
>
>     One of the first questions I think you should be asking
is "what are my
> long term plans for the boat?"
>
>
>     If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
boat. Spread
> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>
>
>     If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
really
> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
put 5K
> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
however, if
> the repair was done well.
>
>
>     Dave
>
>
>
>
>     On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>
>
>       I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
> foredeck
>       area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
damage is
>       pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
quoted a
>       price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
different
>       outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
estimates. For a
>       boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
point does
>       one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
1979 Sabre
>       with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
My
>       thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
but I
>       thought I should see what people think.
>
>       Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
able to
> do
>       the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
reduce my
> cost
>       by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
>       Thanks.
>       Gib
>       Troubadour S28-446
>       Salem, MA
>

#13274

From: piperarcher77@...
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2007 11:40 pm
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

robsole77

Yeah, I thought I turned something off on my computer by mistake. I have not
been getting Sabre Group messages for several days now.

Rob
"Dave Evans" <dave@...> wrote:

>--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
>wrote:
>>
>> Very strange. �I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
>distributed just
>> today!
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � Ed
>>
>> � -----Original Message-----
>> � From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
>> � Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
>> � To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> � Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>>
>>
>>
>> � With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
>having the
>> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. �Nothing like the
>looke of
>> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
>and the
>> value of the boat. �Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
>than to
>> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. �I've had
>two deck
>> repairs done to Merlin. �The first around the mast around 7 years
>ago when
>> we bought her. �The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
>patch
>> faired into the deck. �I had the patch refaired and repainted when
>the
>> second repair was done. �The second repair was in the side deck. �I
>believe
>> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. �It looks
>great
>> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
>flawless. �I
>> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
>her for as
>> long as you want. �As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
>it up to
>> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Ed Burke
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Merlin Sabre
>38MKI
>> (for sale)
>>
>http://home.comcast.ne
>> t/~svmerlin
>>
>>
>> � � -----Original Message-----
>> � � From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
>> � � Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
>> � � To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> � � Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>>
>>
>> � � Gib,
>>
>>
>>
>> � � One of the first questions I think you should be asking
>is "what are my
>> long term plans for the boat?"
>>
>>
>> � � If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
>boat. Spread
>> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>>
>>
>> � � If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
>really
>> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
>put 5K
>> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
>however, if
>> the repair was done well.
>>
>>
>> � � Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> � � On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>>
>>
>> � � � I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
>> foredeck
>> � � � area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
>damage is
>> � � � pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
>quoted a
>> � � � price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
>different
>> � � � outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
>estimates. For a
>> � � � boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
>point does
>> � � � one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
>1979 Sabre
>> � � � with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
>My
>> � � � thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
>but I
>> � � � thought I should see what people think.
>>
>> � � � Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
>able to
>> do
>> � � � the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
>reduce my
>> cost
>> � � � by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
>> � � � Thanks.
>> � � � Gib
>> � � � Troubadour S28-446
>> � � � Salem, MA
>>
>
>

#13275

From: Neil Russell <nrussell@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:01 am
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

nerussellma

at least in the northeast, we are all busy covering, winterizing, what have you...

--N

On Nov 9, 2007, at 6:40 PM, piperarcher77@... wrote:

Yeah, I thought I turned something off on my computer by mistake. I have not been getting Sabre Group messages for several days now.

Rob
"Dave Evans" <dave@sailonset.com> wrote:

>--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
>wrote:
>>
>> Very strange. �I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
>distributed just
>> today!
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � Ed
>>
>> � -----Original Message-----
>> � From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
>> � Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
>> � To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> � Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>>
>>
>>
>> � With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
>having the
>> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. �Nothing like the
>looke of
>> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
>and the
>> value of the boat. �Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
>than to
>> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. �I've had
>two deck
>> repairs done to Merlin. �The first around the mast around 7 years
>ago when
>> we bought her. �The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
>patch
>> faired into the deck. �I had the patch refaired and repainted when
>the
>> second repair was done. �The second repair was in the side deck. �I
>believe
>> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. �It looks
>great
>> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
>flawless. �I
>> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
>her for as
>> long as you want. �As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
>it up to
>> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Ed Burke
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Merlin Sabre
>38MKI
>> (for sale)
>>
>http://home.comcast.ne
>> t/~svmerlin
>>
>>
>> � � -----Original Message-----
>> � � From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
>> � � Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
>> � � To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
>> � � Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>>
>>
>> � � Gib,
>>
>>
>>
>> � � One of the first questions I think you should be asking
>is "what are my
>> long term plans for the boat?"
>>
>>
>> � � If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
>boat. Spread
>> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>>
>>
>> � � If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
>really
>> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
>put 5K
>> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
>however, if
>> the repair was done well.
>>
>>
>> � � Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> � � On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>>
>>
>> � � � I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
>> foredeck
>> � � � area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
>damage is
>> � � � pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
>quoted a
>> � � � price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
>different
>> � � � outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
>estimates. For a
>> � � � boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
>point does
>> � � � one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
>1979 Sabre
>> � � � with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
>My
>> � � � thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
>but I
>> � � � thought I should see what people think.
>>
>> � � � Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
>able to
>> do
>> � � � the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
>reduce my
>> cost
>> � � � by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
>> � � � Thanks.
>> � � � Gib
>> � � � Troubadour S28-446
>> � � � Salem, MA
>>
>
>

#13276

From: Brooks Wright <bwright847@...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2007 3:46 pm
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

bwright847

This is the first sabre message I've gotten in about 3 days. Checked the group web

page and there didn't seem to be any on there either.

Brooks

Ed Burke <merlin0038@...> wrote:

Very strange. I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got distributed just today!

                    Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider having the entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the looke of a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits and the value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other than to repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had two deck repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years ago when we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the patch faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when the second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I believe the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks great and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was flawless. I think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing her for as long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk it up to the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.

                                                    Ed Burke

                                                    Merlin Sabre 38MKI (for sale)

                                                    http://home.comcast.net/~svmerlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money

Gib,

One of the first questions I think you should be asking is "what are my long term plans for the boat?"

If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the boat. Spread out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.

If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't really matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could put 5K into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell, however, if the repair was done well.

Dave

On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:

I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the foredeck
area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core damage is
pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been quoted a
price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two different
outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated estimates. For a
boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what point does
one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a 1979 Sabre
with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape). My
thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet) but I
thought I should see what people think.

Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was able to do
the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to reduce my cost
by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
Thanks.
Gib
Troubadour S28-446
Salem, MA

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#13277

From: Jim Starkey <jas@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:17 am
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

humblecoder

Neil Russell wrote:
> at least in the northeast, we are all busy covering, winterizing, what
> have you...
>

And having storm parties that nobody heard about until too late.

#13278

From: Michael Sims <sailsabre34@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:48 am
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

sailsabre34

Ed,
True Confessions and Mystery Solved. If you don't see your message
posted immediately there is a high probability that it was placed in
this group's spam file and unless approved by the moderator (me) the
group will never see it. I don't why it is considered spam but it
goes into a separate file for review. I don't check the spam file
everyday because it is not as easy to get into and sometimes I am
just away from my computer.
At one time I was notifying the sender individually that his/her
mail was going into the spam file, but this resulted with no better
results. The real question is why are your messages considered spam??

I don't know. Just for the record, the spam file is now empty.

Mike
S-34 MkII #232
AltomarII

Dave Evans <dave@...> wrote:

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
wrote:
>
> Very strange. I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
distributed just
> today!
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
>
> With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
having the
> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the
looke of
> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
and the
> value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
than to
> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had
two deck
> repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years
ago when
> we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
patch
> faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when
the
> second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I
believe
> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks
great
> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
flawless. I
> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
her for as
> long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
it up to
> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>
> Ed Burke
> Merlin Sabre
38MKI
> (for sale)
>
http://home.comcast.ne
> t/~svmerlin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
> Gib,
>
>
>
> One of the first questions I think you should be asking
is "what are my
> long term plans for the boat?"
>
>
> If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
boat. Spread
> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>
>
> If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
really
> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
put 5K
> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
however, if
> the repair was done well.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>
>
> I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
> foredeck
> area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
damage is
> pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
quoted a
> price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
different
> outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
estimates. For a
> boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
point does
> one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
1979 Sabre
> with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
My
> thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
but I
> thought I should see what people think.
>
> Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
able to
> do
> the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
reduce my
> cost
> by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
> Thanks.
> Gib
> Troubadour S28-446
> Salem, MA
>

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#13279

From: "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:59 am
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

eburke73

Maybe it was my signature block that has the words (for sale) in it????

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Sims
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:49 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

Ed,
True Confessions and Mystery Solved. If you don't see your message
posted immediately there is a high probability that it was placed in
this group's spam file and unless approved by the moderator (me) the
group will never see it. I don't why it is considered spam but it
goes into a separate file for review. I don't check the spam file
everyday because it is not as easy to get into and sometimes I am
just away from my computer.
At one time I was notifying the sender individually that his/her
mail was going into the spam file, but this resulted with no better
results. The real question is why are your messages considered spam??

I don't know. Just for the record, the spam file is now empty.

Mike
S-34 MkII #232
AltomarII

Dave Evans <dave@sailonset.com> wrote:

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
wrote:
>
> Very strange. I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
distributed just
> today!
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
>
> With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
having the
> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the
looke of
> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
and the
> value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
than to
> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had
two deck
> repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years
ago when
> we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
patch
> faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when
the
> second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I
believe
> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks
great
> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
flawless. I
> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
her for as
> long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
it up to
> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>
> Ed Burke
> Merlin Sabre
38MKI
> (for sale)
>
http://home.comcast.ne
> t/~svmerlin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
> Gib,
>
>
>
> One of the first questions I think you should be asking
is "what are my
> long term plans for the boat?"
>
>
> If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
boat. Spread
> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>
>
> If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
really
> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
put 5K
> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
however, if
> the repair was done well.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>
>
> I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
> foredeck
> area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
damage is
> pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
quoted a
> price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
different
> outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
estimates. For a
> boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
point does
> one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
1979 Sabre
> with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
My
> thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
but I
> thought I should see what people think.
>
> Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
able to
> do
> the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
reduce my
> cost
> by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
> Thanks.
> Gib
> Troubadour S28-446
> Salem, MA
>

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#13280

From: "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:00 am
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

eburke73

Guess not!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:59 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

Maybe it was my signature block that has the words (for sale) in it????

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Sims
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:49 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

Ed,
True Confessions and Mystery Solved. If you don't see your message
posted immediately there is a high probability that it was placed in
this group's spam file and unless approved by the moderator (me) the
group will never see it. I don't why it is considered spam but it
goes into a separate file for review. I don't check the spam file
everyday because it is not as easy to get into and sometimes I am
just away from my computer.
At one time I was notifying the sender individually that his/her
mail was going into the spam file, but this resulted with no better
results. The real question is why are your messages considered spam??

I don't know. Just for the record, the spam file is now empty.

Mike
S-34 MkII #232
AltomarII

Dave Evans <dave@sailonset.com> wrote:

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
wrote:
>
> Very strange. I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
distributed just
> today!
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
>
> With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
having the
> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the
looke of
> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
and the
> value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
than to
> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had
two deck
> repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years
ago when
> we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
patch
> faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when
the
> second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I
believe
> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks
great
> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
flawless. I
> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
her for as
> long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
it up to
> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>
> Ed Burke
> Merlin Sabre
38MKI
> (for sale)
>
http://home.comcast.ne
> t/~svmerlin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
> Gib,
>
>
>
> One of the first questions I think you should be asking
is "what are my
> long term plans for the boat?"
>
>
> If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
boat. Spread
> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>
>
> If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
really
> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
put 5K
> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
however, if
> the repair was done well.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>
>
> I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
> foredeck
> area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
damage is
> pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
quoted a
> price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
different
> outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
estimates. For a
> boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
point does
> one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
1979 Sabre
> with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
My
> thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
but I
> thought I should see what people think.
>
> Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
able to
> do
> the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
reduce my
> cost
> by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
> Thanks.
> Gib
> Troubadour S28-446
> Salem, MA
>

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#13281

From: Michael Sims <sailsabre34@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:21 am
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

sailsabre34

No, I had other messages in the spam file too. Also, how did this message not get marked as spam?

Mike

Ed Burke <merlin0038@...> wrote:

Guess not!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:59 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

Maybe it was my signature block that has the words (for sale) in it????

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Sims
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:49 PM
To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] And the previous message is from the 5th. Pretty quiet!

Ed,
True Confessions and Mystery Solved. If you don't see your message
posted immediately there is a high probability that it was placed in
this group's spam file and unless approved by the moderator (me) the
group will never see it. I don't why it is considered spam but it
goes into a separate file for review. I don't check the spam file
everyday because it is not as easy to get into and sometimes I am
just away from my computer.
At one time I was notifying the sender individually that his/her
mail was going into the spam file, but this resulted with no better
results. The real question is why are your messages considered spam??

I don't know. Just for the record, the spam file is now empty.

Mike
S-34 MkII #232
AltomarII

Dave Evans <dave@sailonset.com> wrote:

--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Burke" <merlin0038@...>
wrote:
>
> Very strange. I sent the message below on 10/26 and it got
distributed just
> today!
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ed Burke
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:51 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
>
> With that much damage to the deck, you might want to consider
having the
> entire deck awlgripped at the time of the repair. Nothing like the
looke of
> a new boat when in the cockpit or on deck to improve the spirits
and the
> value of the boat. Unfortunately you probably have to choice other
than to
> repair the damage well to salvage any value of the boat. I've had
two deck
> repairs done to Merlin. The first around the mast around 7 years
ago when
> we bought her. The repair developed some hairline cracks where the
patch
> faired into the deck. I had the patch refaired and repainted when
the
> second repair was done. The second repair was in the side deck. I
believe
> the repair done the second time was a higher quality job. It looks
great
> and was done by Zanheisers in Solomons whose reputation was
flawless. I
> think I would just swallow hard and do it and then enjoy sailing
her for as
> long as you want. As expensive as it will be to do it, just chalk
it up to
> the cost of owning a boat and enjoying sailing.
>
> Ed Burke
> Merlin Sabre
38MKI
> (for sale)
>
http://home.comcast.ne
> t/~svmerlin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave Lochner
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 AM
> To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] advice on spending money
>
>
> Gib,
>
>
>
> One of the first questions I think you should be asking
is "what are my
> long term plans for the boat?"
>
>
> If you're planning to keep it for a while, then repair the
boat. Spread
> out over a few years, the cost is not all that much.
>
>
> If you were planning to sell it in the near future, it doesn't
really
> matter. With the damage the 20K boat is not worth 15K or you could
put 5K
> into the boat to keep its value at 20K. Might be easier to sell,
however, if
> the repair was done well.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Gib Metcalf wrote:
>
>
> I need the wisdom of the group. I have bad water damage in the
> foredeck
> area as well as in the cockpit near the pedestal. The core
damage is
> pretty extensive - especially in the foredeck area. I've been
quoted a
> price to repair this in the $4,000 to $6,000 range by two
different
> outfits. I've no reason to believe these are inflated
estimates. For a
> boat that is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000, at what
point does
> one say it's not worth spending more on it? Troubadour is a
1979 Sabre
> with the original engine (that appears to be in fine shape).
My
> thinking is that it's worth it (albeit painful to the wallet)
but I
> thought I should see what people think.
>
> Please don't advise that I do the work myself. Even if I was
able to
> do
> the work, I simply don't have the time - beyond trying to
reduce my
> cost
> by doing some of the hardware dismantling.
> Thanks.
> Gib
> Troubadour S28-446
> Salem, MA
>

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#13282

From: "sIIIlr" <Brine@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:17 pm
Subject: Nov, 3 storm Photos and winter Cover report

sIIIlr

I thought those who have visited Edgartown in the summer may enjoy
seeing how things looked during last weekends blow. Below is a link to
some photos I snapped last weekend.


http://picasaweb.google.com/Bill.Brine/Nov3Storm02

On another topic:

I purchased a Fairclough www.faircloughsailmakers.com winter cover for
my S38. Awesomely expensive ($3,400.00) and worth every penny.

The cover fits like a glove, went on the boat easily and is well made.
The three big benefits to a cloth cover vs. shrink wrap are:
1)You control when the cover goes on. During the last two fall seasons
my boat sat uncovered for over six weeks waiting to be shrink wrapped.
2)The cover breaths. No more terrarium effect.
3)The Awlgrip is covered.

During last weekends storm the cover stayed put.

Break even on the cloth cover vs. shrink is years away but I think the
benefits of cloth outweigh the financial hit of ownership.




Bill

#13283

From: Dave Lochner <davelochner@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] Nov, 3 storm Photos and winter Cover report

ontariosailor52

Bill,

This is my third season with a Fairclough cover, worth every penny!

My boat sits exposed to the NW, nothing but Lake Ontario for 70+ miles. The first year I put it up, the guys at the marina were betting me that it wouldn't withstand the frequent gales and 180"+ snow fall we get in Oswego. They were wrong.

The biggest value comes in the fall and spring. With door, I can get inside the boat and work in shirtsleeves when everyone else is bundled up or sitting home because of the weather. I'll be up there tomorrow and will be perfectly comfortable working inside the boat. Outside temps will be in mid 40's with inside temps in upper 50's to 60's range. Doesn't take much sun to warm things up. Really extends the "work on the boat" season.

Dave

On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:17 AM, sIIIlr wrote:

I thought those who have visited Edgartown in the summer may enjoy
seeing how things looked during last weekends blow. Below is a link to
some photos I snapped last weekend.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Bill.Brine/Nov3Storm02

On another topic:

I purchased a Fairclough www.faircloughsailmakers.com winter cover for
my S38. Awesomely expensive ($3,400.00) and worth every penny.

The cover fits like a glove, went on the boat easily and is well made.
The three big benefits to a cloth cover vs. shrink wrap are:
1)You control when the cover goes on. During the last two fall seasons
my boat sat uncovered for over six weeks waiting to be shrink wrapped.
2)The cover breaths. No more terrarium effect.
3)The Awlgrip is covered.

During last weekends storm the cover stayed put.

Break even on the cloth cover vs. shrink is years away but I think the
benefits of cloth outweigh the financial hit of ownership.

Bill

#13284

From: "neubauer0729" <Neubsr@...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:32 pm
Subject: Zincs

neubauer0729