> Coptic Church is another example. They helped Christianity
> freely grow in Ethiopia and Eritrea. But, we made it very
> complicated instead of keeping the simplicity of Orthodox
> Christianity.

The situation with the Coptic Church is virtually the same as our
situation.  One difference being, they refer to the Patriarch of
Alexandria as the "Pope," and their Maphriane in Ethiopia and Eritrea
as "Patriarch."  It is simply a difference in terminology.

It should also be noted, that the Coptic Church is not in communion,
nor does it recognize the group which calls itself "Indian Orthodox
Church."  The Coptic Orthodox Church recognizes only the Jacobites.

The simplicity of Orthodoxy is submitting to your bishop.  When
people stop submitting to their bishops, then this is a departure
from Orthodoxy.

> We are trying to escape in many ways from the truth of
> Orthodox Christian faith.

If people want to see the Church grow in India (or anywhere for that
matter), then they, each and every one of them, need to take it upon
themselves to love and be compassionate as our Lord was.  The Church
grows, not by the will of the clerics, but through the heart of the
laity.  Clerics are the servants.  If we want the truth of the
Orthodox Christian faith, we'll love our God more than anything, and
our neighbor as ourselves, and for canonical matters, submit to our
bishops.

In Christ,
Mike

shlomo,
Sabha Charithram by most rev Kanyamparambil achen
page 183

on 2 Kumabam , 1929 the third catholicose was
consecrated by the Matran's party with the title Mor
Baselios Geevarghese II , the celebrants being Mor
Dionysius Vattasseril and Mor Ivanios of Bethany.....
...... Mor Dionysius ( Vattasseril) stated " the
present catholicose is INFERIOR TO ME  in
administration and superior in his position as
catolicose" - words revealinmg his unwillingness to be
subordinate to anyone - whether cathlicose or
patriach.

Z M Paret quotes Mor Dionysius words that " the
catholiose aspires authority over the metrans that
could never be conceded , and any such action , would
make all these law suits futile " .

Within a short period all these quarells sprouted up
.Paret consoles " the situation was overcome by the
personality of Mor Dionysius and the Catholicos 's
obligation to him - being his student".

page 188

at pathanamthitta , the Patriach had prolonged
discussions with Mor Dionysius ( Vattasseril).
At one time  , His Holiness with deep sorrow  said to
the non relenting Metran " You have spent your days
in argument and in argument you will pass away"

note- this reminds me  of how St Peter cursed Ananias
and his wife .

page 193

Soon after his return from Homs ( where the talks
failed) , the Cathlicose conveneda representative
Assembly at Kottayam on 28 December 1934  in which he
was elected by them as Malankara Metrapolitan , and
without a former intimation , passed a constitution
for them.

note- now we can understand how "Holy" the 1934
constitution is to the metran kakshis.

to be continued.................

fasch bshlomo
dipu george

This is in response to Aathura's request for church
history. Please visit http://www.malankarachurch.org/

Mathew

This is to inform every one in this forum that there are
syriac study lessons on the website by Dr. Fr. Joseph Tarzi ,
which can be accessed throught the link
http://www.flash.net/~malel/Syriac/Lessons.html
I too agree with Mr.Dibu that we, syrian christians,
should learn Syriac and it should be taught in sunday schools
and the students should be encouraged to speak it.
I know this lessons on the website will not help to learn
the exact pronounciation, but it will still help you learn
the basics.
Regards to every one,
Sinu

There is a brief church history pasted on the web which is
originally taken from Most Rev Kurien Cor episcopa's
'sabha charithram' and can be read through the following
link.http://www.malankarachurch.org/malankara/MalankaraChurch2.htm

Regarding Mr. Thomas's question on my interests in malankara church,
i should say i was the most interested person in the unity of the two
factions some times before. I had a very good opinion about your
Catholicose too and was about to join the metran kakshi group as
happened to other four bishops who joined them by the temptation of
the 'Satan'. But fortunately i realised my faults before joining them.
I happened to read Catholicose's letter to our late Perumpally
thirumeni,saying that HH Patriarch is not the supreme spiritual head.
(the news can be accessed from http://www.malankara.cjb.net in the
Feb 8th 2002).After saying this and also sending the 'Kalpana' to
every church without even mentioning about Patriarch of Antioc, he
recently in the association he called at Parumala, said that without
remembering the Patriarch of Antioc he never do the 'holy Qurbono'!.
If he believes that HH Patriarch is not the supreme head then why
should he remember him in the holy Qurbono? Clearly the aim is to
please thoso who joined them from the mother ,syrian orthodox church.
It could also be because he cant change for his sake,
the 'Thubden'written by our forefathers remembering the Patriarch of
Antioc, Patriarch of Jerusalem and the Mapriano of the East in
the 'Thubden'.

But from this what i understand about the Holy Catholicose and his
followers is that, they want all churches and properties from the
syrian orthodox people in India but meanwhile he wants to make a new
church called Indian orthodox church(IOC) and completely disconnect
the relationship we had with our Patriarchs of Antioch,from the
ancient times(at least from AD. 325).But still he might say that he
will remember HH Patriarch in his prayers (otherwise he might feel
guilty?)

if some of the jacobites join them.But he will never ever say that HH
Patriarch is the Supreme head of this church. He might say this
through the news agencies, if he thinks he can attract some more
churches to his hands just by saying it. But he will never make a
official record of it(Of course their constitution has it).
If he was that a nice person and strongly wishes to unite two
factions and continue under the holy see of Antioch as we had from
early times, why he doesnt go and meet HH Patriarch?He could have
atleast met HH Patriarch when he came to India recently.But his ego
will never let him do that.He(or his followers are) is a
materialistic man with thirst for power, and wealth.He never ever try
for peace but rather try to get maximum power and properties.I dont
like to join a new independent church lead by this kind of people.
(If i want, i could have joined the marthomites, they started the
first independent church from us and claims that St Thomas throne is
with them!).There will not be any peace untill the metran kakshi quit
their Independent Indian Orthodox church movement. Making an
Independent church is the new move to  split our holy church.Christ
adviced for unity and not for an independent church!.

Peace in our church is far away. It is not going to happen soon.Mr.
Thomas if you really wish for peace in the church, why dont you
advice your leaders of the church?. You know that the Jacobites are
not going to join an independent Indian orthodox church by any means,
right?.If they are forced to do that, how long will there be peace?.
Please dont think i am against the unity in the church or peace, i am
against the independent Indian Orthodox church movement and their
trappings.That is all.
Regards,
Sinu John

> Dear All beloved Patriarch (This portion of the sentence
is deleted by the moderators).

I am sorry. Kindly forgive if I am little rude. I
understand that you are very broadminded. I don't
accept your bogus kaiveppu and (This portion of the sentence
is deleted by the moderators). Kindly refer
Acts9:17 St.Paul was given kaivepu by prophet
Ananias.He was not among the selected 12.Refer 1
corinthians 9:1-3. He proclaims he is an apostle. In
our ' Thubeden5' we call him inequal status along with
St.Peter. No 'Holy Qurbana' and 'Koodasa' is conducted
without a reading from St.Paul. Our viswasa pramanam
is quoted from Colossians chapter 1&2.
Church is not for capturing or ruling somebody like a
worldly King. In an our of crisis if somebody help us
should we become his or her slaves. Antioch church has
helped us in our crisis. As true christians it is
their duty.The present CSI church in India was earlier
a part of the Anglican Church of Britain.Now CSI
church is independent.Britishers gave us English
education and good civilisatiion. But we have thrown
them out because they try to dominate us and insult
our people.Why should we tolerate insult from anybdy
including Patriarch.We should have our individuality.
Regarding kaivepu, Marthomites got kaivepu from Holy
Patriarch itself.Now they follow a different ideology.
Can we say the will go to hell and all patriarch group
go to heaven because of kaivepu. Can we tell all
pentacostal and protestant groups will go to hell
because of lack of kaivepu from Patriarch. Can
Patriarch assure heaven to all who support him.These
are all certain traditional ceremonies of hypocracy.By
this quarrel what have weachieved. We have become a
big laughing stock before the non christians. How many
us are concerned about the suffering christians of
Pakistan and China. To keep the gospel alive poor
christian brothers of those nations undergo
persecution every day. Let us atleast pray for their
little well being.
Jai Christ and Jai Christianity

Dear Orthodox Supporter
Please visit www.parumalathirumeni.com .You are saying
Patriarch faction will leave without anything same like
marthomites.But you dont know anything about church history.
That time most of the parishes in south side marthomites was a minority.
But they got 7 churches Maramon,Manganam etc..IN that churches marthomites
got majority support.

Now Patriarch faction is saying call the parish assembly and do a
"HITHA PARISHODANA" in all the churches.Majority will continue in the
parish church and minority will move out from there ,like Piravom &
Puthuppally (Piravom church is under Patriarch faction AND Pauthuppally
is under Catholicose group).Can you accept this ?Parish church is for
parishners not for catholicose or patriarch.SC also accept this claim.
You are saying you are an orthodox supporter.What you have with orthodox?All
litergy,faith,cerimonial dress, names of the bishops&catholicose,canon,qurbana
thksa etc..etc... from where you got?All these things from Antioch.If you have
any shame please leave all the above things and make a new system and litergy.
Biju Kurain Mathew
Muscat

"Drawn deeper into the desert, they are drawn deeper into
solitude, deeper into themselves and at the same time deeper
into community and deeper into God the ground of being, and thus
closer to the ground of being within us, for the depth of being
of each of us is as strange and alien, yet hauntingly as familiar,
as the desert solitude."

["Paphynutius: Histories of the Monks of Upper Egpyt and the Life
of Onnophrius," trans. Tim Vivian (Kalamazoo, Cistercian Studies,
1933)]

source: p. 29 of "The Forgotten Desert Mothers", Laura Swann.
Paulist Press, 2001

Dear All,
I have read a news in’Mathrubhoomi ‘of 17/7 that an advocate
has filed a case against (This portion of the sentence is
deleted by moderators) Malayala Monorama  in connection with
money swindling.They have collected crores for Doing rehabitation
social activities at Lattur after the earth equake. But only
around 50 lacs was spent. No wonder! Those who have occupied
M.D seminary(church) properties for 50 years won’t hesitate to
do anything!
Regards
vmt

--- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., "Aji Thomas David" wrote:
> Dear Godly Indian Orthodox brother,
> From when
the
> Keralites learn to spell "Orthodox"? Can you show any document dated
before
> 19th century stating any Indian Orthodox Church?

> Good Luck
> Aji Thomas David


Kindly check this:

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~amos/chess/1557.html

may be a difference of terms...but it is not simply that....
the church in Ethiopia is ' AUTOCEPHALOUS' as well as the
church in Eritrea is 'AUTOCEPHALOUS'

which means it has itsown head ....and only accepts the
Coptic pope as an honorable primus inter-peers

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: mfignatius
   To: SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:12 PM
   Subject: [SOCM-FORUM] Re: Position of Patriarch

   > Coptic Church is another example. They helped Christianity
   > freely grow in Ethiopia and Eritrea. But, we made it very
   > complicated instead of keeping the simplicity of Orthodox
   > Christianity.

   The situation with the Coptic Church is virtually the same as our
   situation.  One difference being, they refer to the Patriarch of
   Alexandria as the "Pope," and their Maphriane in Ethiopia and Eritrea
   as "Patriarch."  It is simply a difference in terminology.

However you must realize that Coptic Church is in communion with
Malankara Orthodox church. Last year a Coptic bishop was the chief
guest for convocation at the Seminary. Similarly the Coptic Church
healped the Malankara Orthodox church in South Africa to get a parish.
So, both churches are in communion.

-Thomas

--- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., "mfignatius" wrote:
>
>


> It should also be noted, that the Coptic Church is not in communion,
> nor does it recognize the group which calls itself "Indian Orthodox
> Church."  The Coptic Orthodox Church recognizes only the Jacobites.

Let me qualify my submission to the group by saying that I am
ignorant to some/all of the facts, including the Supreme Court
desicion, please forgive me.

With that said, will someone please tell me what the major
obstacles are that keep the Churches from coming together?

Since this 'problem' was elevated to the heights of the Supreme
Court, why can we not abide by its desicion?

I hear different things about what the obstacles are, but I want
the truth---can someone please explain.

Thank you for your time.
Jacob
----------------------
j.Varghese
"Success occurs when opportunity meets preparation."
--Unknown

Hi...

That goes parallel...No heads or tails to it..|Page 173 Page 180...
wheres page 1...Could u start it from teh very beginning i.e when
St Thomas  came to india and converted the Brahman families to
Christanity..How abt beginning teh story from the very beginning...
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H. B Thomas Mor Dionysius, Catholicose Designate of Malankara
Jacobite Church, is celebrating 74th birthday on July 22nd.

There will be Holy Qurbono at Kothamangalm Mount Sinai Chapel
by Diocese secretary Fr. Titus Varghese and other priests.

Special Qurbono will be conducted in all diocesans centers too.

We wish H.B a happy birthday and pray for good health and
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Dear Brother Mr. Thomas Pal,

Thanks for the information. If my memory is correct, in 1972, IOC invited
the HH Patriarch of Russia to Malankara and gave a grand reception in
Ernakulam city (The members from the southern churchs were marched under
the banner of Northern churches as per the instructions from Devalokam).
Is this because the IOC is in full or some percentage of communion with
Russian Orthodox Church?

During the Consecration of Newly constructed Parumala Church (Second Jerusalem
for Whole Malankara / Christians and non Christians), HH Patriarch of
Constantinople (Universal Patriarch of Bethzyine Orthodox Churches) was
invited and allows him to stand at the corner of the Holy Altar. Is this
because the IOC is in full or some percentage of communion with Bethzyine
Orthodox Churchs?

During the ordination of Cardinal Varky Vitaythil, present IOC Catholicose
H.H. stand at the corner of the Holy Altar in Cochin. Is this because the IOC
is in full or some percentage of communion with R.C?

Good Luck to IOC
Aji Thomas David

>From:  "thomas_pa1"
>Date:  Sat Jul 20, 2002  1:57 am
>Subject:  Re: Position of Patriarch

>However you must realize that Coptic Church is in communion with
>Malankara Orthodox church. Last year a Coptic bishop was the chief
>guest for convocation at the Seminary. Similarly the Coptic Church
>healped the Malankara Orthodox church in South Africa to get a parish.
>So, both churches are in communion.

>-Thomas

Dear brother Mr. Thomas Pal,

Thanks for the Documented proof (link) of existence of IOC from
early centuries. If you go through the Tea Market columns of
Malayalam (Kerala dailies), you will see in the section of TEA,
“Orthodox and Malankara Tea”. Is these are also related to IOC?
Is this quality Tea leaves produced under Catholicose cum Malankara
Metropolitan’s estate?
Good Luck with IOC
Aji Thomas David

>From:  "thomas_pa1"
>Date:  Thu Jul 18, 2002  9:40 pm
>Subject:  Re: Repenters of patriarch faction

>--- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., "Aji Thomas David" wrote:
> Dear Godly Indian Orthodox brother,
> From when
the
> Keralites learn to spell "Orthodox"? Can you show any document dated
before
> 19th century stating any Indian Orthodox Church?

> Good Luck
> Aji Thomas David


>Kindly check this:

>http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~amos/chess/1557.html

Thanx Mr Mathews...for the links...Just was going throught t
he sites..

Which is the knanya fraction??
Aathura...

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Origin of Catholicose

Post of Catholicose established by Nestorian's (Persian Church
/Kaldaya Church) in Selusia.That Catholicose (Selusia) got lot
of powers like Bishops Ordination, Mooron Koodasa etc…Later that
post was vanished in that church.

Patriarch Of Antioch established a new post-named MAPHRIANET.
Mor Yeldo Bava(Kothamangalam) and Mor Shakrulla Bava (Kandanad Church)
are Maphrianas. Maphrian's post is like a chief Metropolitan. He can
ordain bishop as per Patriarchs Kalpana.All his powers clearly written
in Hudaya Canon (18 AKKAM) In the mid half of 19th century this post
stopped by the Universal Synod of Antioch. Mor Yakoob II Patriarch
presided that synod. In 1901, Malankara Church requested Mor Abulmisia
Patriarch to Ordain Joseph Mor Dionasiose (Pulikottil) as Catholicose
/Maphriana. Patriarch refused that suggestion because that post already
stopped by Universal Synod.Later Mor Abdulmasia Excommunicated by Universal
Synod and Mor Abdulla enthroned as Antioch Patriarch. Malankara Church also
accepted this enthronement. In 1903 Vttaseril Thirumeni(Mor Dionasiose)
& Kochuparambil Thirumeni (Mor Koorilose) went to Jerusalem and ordained
as bishops by Patriarch Mor Abdulla.In 1909 Patriarch visited Malankara.
Later Patriarch Excommunicate Vattaseril Thirumeni.

Fr.P.T.Geevarghese (Later Archbishop Mor Ivaniose founder of Malankara
Reeth Church) invited Mor Abdulmasia (Excommunicated Patriarch) to
malankara and he ordained Murimattom Ivaniose as a Maphriana/Catholicose.
After six months he issued a Kalpana (?) it says continue your relation
with Throne of Antioch(now what Catholicose group are doing?). After one year,
Murimattom Maphriana Passed away. Case also started for the common property
of the church.In 1920 Travancore Court declared that Vattaseril Thirumeni
can continue as Malankara Metropolita. 1921 Metran faction ordained new
Maphriana/Catholicose.After his death ordained Kallasseril Gregoriose
as a new Maphriana/Catholicose.If anybody wants more information please
read PAURASTYA CATHOLICOSE written by Fr.Gheevarghese Chediyath.

After Church peace in 1958, Mor Yakub III visted Malankara in 1964 and
Ordain Mor Augen Themothiose as CATHOLICOSE OF THE EAST(Baselius Augen I).
Mor Yakub III Bava established the post catholicose of the east.1972
Catholicose started new arguments like Marthoma Simhasanam, Swathnthra
Sabha Etc…In 1975 Mor Yakub III ordained Baselius Paulose II as the new
Catholicose Of The East.NowH.E. Thomas Mor Dionasius elected for the post
of Ctholicose of the East.

Actually Catholicose / Maphriana is under Patriarch. Supreme Court also
accepted this fact.But Catholicose Group is not accepting this order.
Once they will accept this facts that time peace will come in Malankara.

Biju Kurian Mathews
Muscat

Dear Member Mr. Thomas Pal
You are again misleading the members of this forum.
Your first Catholicose Mor Augen was ordained by the
Patriarch of Antioch and there is no history of any
Coptic bishop or Patriarch ever ordaining a malankara
boshop. You people had invited a coptic bishop for
your seminary functio just to belittle the Syrian
Orthodox laity in kerala.On many occasions you had
brought and given big receptions to some unknown
bishops from the Assyrisn and Chaldean churches just
to show your people that many foreign patriarchs are
available for future ordination of your Catholicose.

You have mentioned the help given by the coptic church
to build a church for your people in South Africa.
Your people there must have told them that they are
Syrian Orthodox Christians under the Patriarch of
Antioch to earn their favour. This type of cheating
has occurred in Abu Dhabi and Sharjah. When you want
favours from the authorities you people will
shamelessly say that you are Syrian Orthodox and the
Patriarch Of Antioch is your Suprele Leader.This has
happened in the recent supreme court case also.
If you ask the general public in Europe or the
Americas there will be hardly any one who has heard
about the So called Indian Orthodox Church. How are they
supposed to know. This church was started by Mor Augen
and his caucus in the seventies only.

sincerely
ROYMATHEWS

--- thomas_pa1@... wrote:
> However you must realize that Coptic Church is in
> communion with
> Malankara Orthodox church. Last year a Coptic bishop
> was the chief
> guest for convocation at the Seminary. Similarly the
> Coptic Church
> healped the Malankara Orthodox church in South
> Africa to get a parish.
> So, both churches are in communion.
>
> -Thomas
>

then what is Syrian ORTHODOX......if u think there was no Orthodox
before the 19th century

The Jacobite (Syrian Orthodox) Church even contorts its apostolic
succession in kerala to saying that the church in Malankara was
Syrian Orthodox right from the 3rd century.....it was so only
from the 17th century.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: thomas_pa1
   To: SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:40 PM
   Subject: [SOCM-FORUM] Re: Repenters of patriarch faction


   --- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., "Aji Thomas David" wrote:
   > Dear Godly Indian Orthodox brother,
   > From when
   the
   > Keralites learn to spell "Orthodox"? Can you show any document dated
   before
   > 19th century stating any Indian Orthodox Church?

   > Good Luck
   > Aji Thomas David


   Kindly check this:

   http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~amos/chess/1557.html

Click the following links for the latest from Malankara

74th Birth day of Catholicos-designate His Beatitude
Mor Dionysius Thomas 21-July-02

Special prayers & Fasting at the Kolencherry
St.Peter's  &  St.Paul's Church starts on 27th July
21-July-02 To read more click below
http://www.malankaravoice.cjb.net
http://www.geocities.com/malankarav2/news_section_1.htm

There is no cheating here.  Entire Oriental Orthodox and Byzantine
Orthodox know the situation in India.  There have been many visits
of Oriental and Byzantine Orthodox primates to the Malankara
Church. No Orthodox church wants 2 million of India's Orthodox
community to merge with Vatican or join Protestants. They all want to
see one Holy Synod and one head of Holy Synod in India.  The problem
is that we are not ready for it. We are fighting because of our
typical keralite inferiority complexes and our inherent Keralite
natures.  It doesn't bring any good for the future generation.

When are we ready for Orthodox Church leaving aside all our feelings
which we nurtured from childhood? Feelings are required, but
considering it as the ultimate truth is not a good sign.

-Thomas

--- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., Mathews Abraham wrote:
> Dear Member Mr. Thomas Pal
> You are again misleading the members of this forum.
> Your first Catholicose Mor Augen was ordained by the
> Patriarch of Antioch and there is no history of any
> Coptic bishop or Patriarch ever ordaining a malankara
> boshop. You people had invited a coptic bishop for
> your seminary functio just to belittle the Syrian
> Orthodox laity in kerala.

I had a question for the group. What should our answer
be as a Malankara syriac orthodox Christian to the
question: ARE YOU SAVED? Does our church teach of an
instantaneous salvation? Can we say that we are saved
before the judgment day?

Mathew

I am a confused young lay member of the Church. Can any of the elders
in this forum clarify some of my doubts.

1. Is there anything in the canons or laws or agreements that none of
the Metrapolitains from Malankara can get elected as Patriarch of
Antioch ?

2. Do all the Bishops from Malankara get to vote in an election to
elect a Patriarch.

3. Is it true that none of the Metrans from the Malankara Church are
invited for the Synod at Antioch ? I was told that in one of the
important Synods recently where the name of church was changed from
Syrian Orthodox to Syriac Orthrodox none of our bishops from
Malankara participated nor were invited.

4. Is it true that Patriarch Mor Abdulla II, had converted to Roman
Catholic Church and he returned to the mother church only when Mor
Abdul Messiah lost the firman from the Turkish Sultan so that he
could become the next Patriarch ?

I have heard different answers to these questions from different
sources. Can anyone please give me the 100% correct answer to this,
with out any bias towards either of the two Kakshis.

Mathew.

Dear SOCM Members
Our beoved Very Reverend Mannakuzhiyil Varghese Corepiscopa,
88 years is under hospitalization for stroke. He is father of
Mr. George Varghese (SOCM member). Please pray for a
speedy recovery.

Forum Moderators.

Dear SOCM forum members,

According to the "Mangalm Daily", the declaration of
ordination of Mor Dionysius Thomas as Catholicose of
Malankara Jacobite Church is going to be on 28th Friday.

Mor Divanyisos and Mor Gregarious are in Damascus. And the
Church trusty Mr. T. George returned to Kerala.

News in Malayalam please visit http://www.mangalam.net/

Forum Moderators

Mathew B,
Please read the following FAQ about "What shall I do to be saved?" .
This is prepared by Rev Kurian Kaniamparambil Kor-Episcopa and Mor
Osthatious.

http://www.stignatious.com/salvation.htm

Mathew G,


--- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., Mathew B wrote:
> I had a question for the group. What should our answer
> be as a Malankara syriac orthodox Christian to the
> question: ARE YOU SAVED? Does our church teach of an
> instantaneous salvation? Can we say that we are saved
> before the judgment day?
>
> Mathew