"I don't know. I guess I had hoped for some sort of irenic dialogue,
but instead I got what the cynic in me thought I'd get. Before, I said I would
not discuss certain points, but would restrict myself in what I would reply to.

Now the semester is gearing up, and discussion here on this forum on this topic
is becoming more futile for the reasons I brought up in my post to Dn. Joel (he
thought I was trying to out-write you guys, but I wonder if this feeling stems
from the fact that it seems like no one has any substantial counter to my
points), so I will be bowing out completely from this discussion. But I do take
this opportunity to once again encourage Dn. Joel to consider taking me up on
the offer I made at the end of my reply to him." - Phil

Hey, Phil - Thanks for joining the club - I know how it feels to have your
questions blown off. I also figured that you didn't have any good answers. At
best, you have only provided an appeal to irrelavency and distractors. May I
point out that the questions I asked you strike directly at your fundamental
loyalty to the Holy Spirit and the proper order of a holy and ancient Church?
Yes, maybe a separate thread would have been more appropriate, but you must
admit that the stuff you guys were batting around was pretty banal.

You ask for common ground by joining in blood drives and youth activities
without providing a plan to stop your side from actively trying to destroy our
side. You truly have no insight concernig the heart of the matter - the pride of
your leaders which prevents them from stopping this war. We are merely on the
defense. Change has to come from your side. We cannot stop your fanatics from
wanting to bull doze us. We can only cry out to our Lord who has kept us safe
these two thousand years. Regardless of what you'll do, we remember Jesus
speaking to us in Aramaic concerning the guarding of His Church until His
return. We'll still be here.

I really do wish you well, and I think that some instructive points have been
raised through this discussion. You were a good sport in taking on three of us
in this thread (at least you attempted to answer the other two's questions). I
hope you play even better in the future. If you'd like to visit your Supreme
Spiritual Head (and not blow him off too as you did in an earlier response) let
me know. I'll take care of the details at Damascus.

In Christ,
Dn. Zach Varghese
0970

Dear Davis,
From the limited searches that I could do, there is no church under
the Malankara Archdiocese of the Syriac Orthodox Church (under
Teethose Thirumeni) in Orlando. However there is a church in Tampa,
Florida. From what I understand the drive from Orlando to Tampa is
only about an hour.

The address of the Tampa Church is :
Mar Gregorious Syrian Orthodox (Jacobite) Church.
12001 N 58th St
Tampa, FL
33617-1668, US

http://www.tampamgsoc.org/direction.htm

I think there is a Syriac Orthodox Church in Orlando under Mor
Kurilose (Cyril) Aprhrem.

http://www.syrianorthodoxchurch.org/east-usa/parishes/orlando.htm


In Christ,
Mathew G M
Member ID # 0929

--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Davis Cherian wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> One of my friend recently arrived in USA - Orlando with his family.
He
> is staying with an IOC family now and they are compelling him to go
to
> the IOC church.

Reading: From the Gospel according to St.Mark2:23-28.

Dear and Respected Brethren,

We all are very familiar with the context of today’s reading. Our Lord and
His blessed Apostles were going through corn fields and suddenly the
Apostles started plucking the ears of the corn, as mentioned in verse 23 of
the reading.  Suddenly the Pharisees said unto our Lord “Behold, why do they
on the Sabbath day that which is not lawful?

Here our Lord is trying to make the Pharisees and the similar minded
understand that what the disciples did was lawful. In Deuteronomy 23:25 we
read, “when you come into the corn field of your neighbor, you may pluck the
ears with your hand, but you should not move a sickle unto thy neighbor’s
corn.”  Though our Lord did not mention about this reference, he asks them
another question. But our Lord was confident that each and every Jew must be
aware of this teaching in the Holy Scriptures. By giving a clear hint to the
incident that is explained in 1 Samuel 21:1-6, our Lord asks what King David
did when he and his companions were hungry. The Jews were so particular in
preserving the consecrated bread on the Altar of God, as per the command of
Lord God (Exodus 25:30). When the old ones were replaced with the new and
fresh stock, the priests in purity were allowed to consume the old one. We
read in Exodus 29:32-33 and Leviticus 24:9 about the ones who are permitted
to consume the consecrated bread, where they could have it and how they
could have it etc. These Biblical portions strictly exhort that no one other
than the priests should eat the consecrated bread. The priest Abimelek as
well as King David were well aware of the teaching about the consecrated
bread. When the Pharisees heard about the deed of the Priest and King David,
none of them was brave enough to say a word against King David or to declare
that King David was wrong. If we were in their place, what would have been
our response? Let us think for a while. If we were there, we would have
accused the priest, the King and even Lord God. Let us think whether our
minds with pride would agree to accept the mistakes, if some one or the
other might show us. If so how wicked and cruel are we than the Jews who
shouted to crucify our Lord? The Jews as a whole went aloof from the scene
silently soon, without answering the question of our Lord or even reacting
to our Lord. Let us think how we are behaving when our suggestions or
statements during the Church committee meetings and General Body meetings
are not considered as we wish.

When the Pharisees questioned our Lord, it was revealed and confirmed that
our Lord is the Lord of Sabbath also. We read the same sort of explanation
in St. Matthew 12:1-8. St. Matthew and St. Mark are asking our
consciousness: “The Jews could not accept our Lord as Son of God, but still
they gave silent approval for the truth that our Lord is Lord of Sabbath
too. And what about you”? Are we not behaving as if we don’t need God’s help
or God’s presence in many of our activities? Are we not thinking what is the
significance of God’s interference in many of our activities?
When there is some special event in our homes, we like to have the presence
of Bishops and priests. And at the same time we long for their early
departure from our midst, so as to start some other activities. Are we not?
This type of thinking is taking deep roots not only in our private lives but
in the Church lives too. Let us think and find out the reason for such an
evil thinking. Let us try to correct ourselves. Make us worthy to admit and
confess that our Lord God is Lord of everything in our lives. We should not
forget the truth that everything in this world is under the control and
power of Lord Jesus Christ, as we read in Ephesians 1:22 and I Peter 3:22.

Let the Holy Spirit strengthen us to take a firm stand that we do not need
anything in which our God as well as His representatives on earth, (Bishops
and Priests) could not participate. May God bless us all.


Jose Kurian Puliyeril.

_________________________________________________________________

1.  THRIKKUNNATHU SEMINARY:  ANGAMALY DIOCESAN MEET HELD AT ALUVA; CHURCH
LEADERSHIP TO MEET CHIEF MINISTER SOON.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice12/20061001ThriMath.htm

2.  Newly consecrated St. Mary's church in Pathanamthitta declared as Cathedral
of Thumpamon diocese.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice12/20061001pathaMang.htm

3.  DUKRONO OF ST.BASELIOS YELDHO BAVA:  Pilgrimage from High Range area begins.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice12/20061001KothMang.htm


Malankara Voice links:
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice12/news_section.htm
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice12

321st Dhukrono (1685-2006) of St.Baselios Yeldho Bava

Maphryono Mor Baselios Yeldho was born in a village called kooded (now  known as
Karakosh) near Mosul in Iraq where Morthsmooni and her 7 children suffered
martyrdom. At a very young age he joined the Mor Bahnan Monastery and become a
monk. In 1678 he was consecrated
Maphryono (Catholicos) by the Patriarch of Antioch Moran Mor Ignatius Abdul
Masih I.  In 1685 at the age of 92, the holy father started the difficult
mission to India at the request of Mor Thoma II of Malankara who informed the
Patriarchate about the unpleasant situation of the Church here. The saintly
Maphryono was accompanied by his brother, two monks and an Episcopo (?), but
only three of them is believed to have reached Malankara.  The saint expired on
Saturday afternoon on 'Kanni 19' (Malayalam Calendar), 1685 and was entombed on
the very next day in the sanctuary of Mor Thoma Cheriapally, Kothamangalam.
Though the  holy father had lived in this land for only a few days, his name has
spread far and wide leaving a lasting mark in the history of Malankara Syrian
Church. The mission undertaken by the saint was fulfilled to a large extent by
his faithful associate, Metropolitan Mor Ivanios Hidayatullah (entombed at
Mulanthuruthy Marthoman Church).

The Sacred tomb of the holy father is a great solace for many; large groups of
pilgrims, irrespective of caste and creed come to the church every day seeking
his intercession and more particularly on annual feast days and also on every
Saturdays. A great number of miracles are happening by the intercession of the
holy father. It is a common practise among the parents to name their long
awaited sons as ?Yeldho? and ?Basil?, who they believe will be protected by the
saint like a guardian angel.  Dhukrono of St. Baselios Yeldho Bava is celebrated
in the Mor Thoma Cheriapally with spiritual grandeur every year on  October 2
and 3 and this feast is popularly known as 'Kanni 20  perunnal'.  Fulfilling the
wishes of multitude of faithful, the Holy Church in 1987 included the name of
the holy father in the 5th Tubden (Holy diptych) along with the names of
Patriarch St. Ignatius Elias III and St. Gregorios of Malankara.

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For the biography of the holy father, visit the following link:
http://www.syrianchurch.org/bio/MorBaseliosYeldho.htm

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Official website of Kothamangalam Cheriapplly:
http://cheriapally.org/

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St. Baselios Yeldho Chapel (This Chapel is situated on the banks of
Kothamangalam river in the village of Kozhippilli where the Saintly Yeldho Mor
Baselios Bava met an Hindu Gentleman (a Nair youth from Chakkala family) who
guided him to the nearby Marthoma Cheriapally.
http://www.syrianchurch.org/ch/CheriapallyChapel.htm

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John Philip K
St.Joseph's Cathedral
Kottayam
http://SyrianChurch.org
http://SyriacChristianity.org

Note: Kindly acknowldge the source while reproducing the content of the site
anywhereesle

Dear Phil,

Thanks for the reply.  I replied to both emails in one since the
topics don't veer off far enough to warrant continuing on separate
streams.  It's too bad you don't find any of our replies to be irenic, but of
course, all your replies were rather strateuomatic, so I'm not sure what you
expect of us that you don't expect of yourself.  Okay, okay, I dished out the
python reference – but of course, it was done in a friendly way, so it should
have been interpreted as peacefully as possible.  Though, I will concede that
emails are sometimes difficult to gauge.

Anyhow…

Some things certainly are not black and white as you suggest.  But
righteousness and sin certainly ARE black and white.  While issues
have hurt and been healed between other churches, it still does not
mean that those things which hurt those churches are justified.  There is no
precedent to sin when one has willingly embraced Christ.
Further, you don't know how "firebrands" back in those days reacted on the level
of the plebs, and nor do I.  We don't know how many souls were led astray by
previous fighting and backstabbing.  Chalcedonians and Nestorians share small
Christological differences with us when compared to the heresies rampant today,
yet these arguably linguistic reasons for spiritual rebellion have cause an
unforgettable amount of death and damage to people's lives, affecting the very
history of our world today.  Nowadays, we can begin reconciling as we're many
generations removed, but the problems our community shares with your own are
still going on today.  The other situations you posed are incomparable.

You want unity with us, so you pursue these sorts of inquiries with
people like His Eminence (Karim Thirumeni).  You must understand, the
type of unity you guys are seeking is not the sort of unity we are
seeking.

From your perspective, the SOC is absolutely legitimate, both in the
Near East and in India (and as such, the Diaspora also).  You also
believe that your community is legitimate (although created by less
than reputable means).  From the perspective you IO guys have, you
want to see two legitimate groups unite.

From our perspective, the SOC is absolutely legitimate, both in the
Near East and in India (and as such, the Diaspora also).  But we
believe that the grace of the Holy Spirit is no longer among those
creators and sustainers of your community.  From our perspective,
unity is a command Christ gave us; a command to bring the world
together in holiness.  For us, it doesn't matter if one is IO,
Marthomite, RCC, Muslim (mentioned it again!!), Hindu, etc.  For us,
we are working toward bringing ourselves closer to God, and teaching
others (no matter who they are) as appropriate, that we all may
worship God in Orthodoxy.  This is the good news of His death and
resurrection.

There are different pieces to being Orthodox. [For those who don't
know, Orthodox means "Correct glory" or "Correct worship"].  We must
have the correct knowledge (this is where our teachings are
important).  Knowledge of the way of Christ is not enough; we must
walk in the way of Christ also.  We must do Orthodoxy.  Our lives must be
Christ-like.  The correct knowledge and the correct teachings are the lamps that
light Christ's way.

You and I both confess that the IO was created by less than reputable
means.  For you, it's okay.  For us, it is not—especially since the
improprieties have not ceased.  While you desire "unity", the
conditions for "unity" are not holy.  From our position, we don't want unity
with people who beat each other up at their own managing
committee meetings.  We don't want unity with people who claim to be
part of the Syrian Orthodox Church (and also claim that the Patriarch
is their head), but then petition the Indian government not to let him come to
India because he'll be a foreigner converting Indians to his faith.  We don't
want unity with people who hijack institutions,
graveyards, and holy places.  Ever since the last batch of losers
departed from among us (and were swooped up by the leaders of your
community), we've been extremely productive.  The stagnation Nicovolos cursed
upon the Archdiocese was blasted away and real positive work is being done now
under our present bishop Mor Tithos.

Does it make sense for our (SOC) progress to be slowed down or halted?

You wrote: "what do you suggest as methods by which we can, in
America, begin to break down some of the barriers that exist between
us, even while we wait for our respective hierarchies to do their part?"

Since you said you read the forum so often, you know that to get us to even be
receptive to the IO community, the lawsuits have to all be
dropped.  Since you said, "in America," and since it is clear that you can't
stop the court cases in India, you can't do much directly to end that.  You can
however disavow this behavior more vocally.  This can be done on the internet,
but more importantly, among your churches and in your youth/young adults groups.
By confessing the truth of the fact that closing churches and driving people out
of the faith is unholy, you will build common ground with us.

Here is a totally honest suggestion.  At first, you might scoff at it, but I
hope you honestly pray about it because I think it is a
realistic possibility to begin breaking down some of the barriers
between us.  Nicovolos is a thief.  He has stolen millions.  You and
the IO seminarians can start a fundraising initiative among your youth
organization to pay back what was stolen from the SOC.  This is a win/win
situation if you guys really believe in unifying us.  The money that was taken
from hard-working families, as well as the money gone to court cases here in
North America, would be given back as a testimony of Christian love.  If you
guys believe we'll be unified, then the money raised would be for your own
church (in the long run). But if you guys don't do that, it would be expected,
and the layers of mistrust would perpetuate between your American contingent and
our own.  You don't have to do such a thing, and we don't have to start trusting
people who continually have swindled and betrayed us.  Of course, it isn't about
money (for us anyway), it's the thought/effort that counts.

Bridge-building begins with understanding.  It will take understanding the whole
point of the reply:  don't waste your time stirring the pot; instead, focus on
positive factors that we share.  Had you focused on the point of Dn. Joel's
first post, you'd have been breaking down barriers with people you want unity
with instead of creating more distrust and pity from us.  Don't waste time.  Dn.
Joel is correct when he said you're trying to "out-write" us.  When you need
"corpus" defined to a subheading and dedicate several lines of a reply to such,
you're wasting everyone's time.  When you make all sorts of false accusations,
you waste our time and create a certain image for yourself that stands contrary
to breaking down barriers.  You're going to need to be honest with yourself:
that means not skirting the issues (which ironically you accuse us of!) and
providing insufficient counterarguments to arguments you beg for in the first
place.
[Economics being the reason for the IO copying the Mor Basileos
Yeldho's name being inserted in the diptychs—come on.]  Going back to
the original point and most importantly, the focus that you guys who
seek unity have must be changed.  Besides wasting our time (and your
own time) with discussions that are menial, you need to address Dn.
Zach's questions.  Whenever he, or someone asking the same, brings the topic up,
the IO community immediately plugs their ears and buries their heads in the
sand.  If you want to be able to relate to us and break down barriers, you have
to think Orthodox and get serious.  No more excuses.

In any case, thanks for contributing to the forum.

Mike
0902

P.S.  Why didn't you meet with us when I was out there this summer?

Dear Mr.Davis Cherian,

Slomo.

Yes, currently we have two churches in Florida.  One in Tampa
(St.Gregorios Syrian Orthodox Church) and the other in Loxahatchee
(St.Mary's Syrian Orthodox Church of South Florida). The contact
details for both of these parishes are:

Rev. Fr. George Abraham
16207 Glenury Court
Tampa, FL 33625
(813) 962-0143

revgabraham@...

Your friend may click www.malankara.com for detailed information on
our Malankara Archdiocese in North America or call the Archdiocesan
office at (845)364-6003.

With best regards,

Babu Jacob Nadayil,
Archdiocesan Headquarters,
New York.


--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Davis Cherian wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> One of my friend recently arrived in USA - Orlando with his
family. He
> is staying with an IOC family now and they are compelling him to
go to
> the IOC church.

Reading: From the Gospel according to St.Mark2:23-28.

Dear and Respected Brethren,

We all are very familiar with the context of today's reading. Our
Lord and His blessed Apostles were going through corn fields and
suddenly the Apostles started plucking the ears of the corn, as
mentioned in verse 23 of the reading.  Suddenly the Pharisees said
unto our Lord "Behold, why do they on the Sabbath day that which is
not lawful?

Here our Lord is trying to make the Pharisees and the similar minded
understand that what the disciples did was lawful. In Deuteronomy
23:25 we read, "when you come into the corn field of your neighbor,
you may pluck the ears with your hand, but you should not move a
sickle unto thy neighbor's corn."  Though our Lord did not mention
about this reference, he asks them another question. But our Lord
was confident that each and every Jew must be aware of this teaching
in the Holy Scriptures. By giving a clear hint to the incident that
is explained in 1 Samuel 21:1-6, our Lord asks what King David did
when he and his companions were hungry. The Jews were so particular
in preserving the consecrated bread on the Altar of God, as per the
command of Lord God (Exodus 25:30). When the old ones were replaced
with the new and fresh stock, the priests in purity were allowed to
consume the old one. We read in Exodus 29:32-33 and Leviticus 24:9
about the ones who are permitted to consume the consecrated bread,
where they could have it and how they could have it etc. These
Biblical portions strictly exhort that no one other than the priests
should eat the consecrated bread. The priest Abimelek as well as
King David were well aware of the teaching about the consecrated
bread. When the Pharisees heard about the deed of the Priest and
King David, none of them was brave enough to say a word against King
David or to declare that King David was wrong. If we were in their
place, what would have been our response? Let us think for a while.
If we were there, we would have accused the priest, the King and
even Lord God. Let us think whether our minds with pride would agree
to accept the mistakes, if some one or the other might show us. If
so how wicked and cruel are we than the Jews who shouted to crucify
our Lord? The Jews as a whole went aloof from the scene silently
soon, without answering the question of our Lord or even reacting to
our Lord. Let us think how we are behaving when our suggestions or
statements during the Church committee meetings and General Body
meetings are not considered as we wish.

When the Pharisees questioned our Lord, it was revealed and
confirmed that our Lord is the Lord of Sabbath also. We read the
same sort of explanation in St. Matthew 12:1-8. St. Matthew and St.
Mark are asking our consciousness: "The Jews could not accept our
Lord as Son of God, but still they gave silent approval for the
truth that our Lord is Lord of Sabbath too. And what about you"? Are
we not behaving as if we don't need God's help or God's presence in
many of our activities? Are we not thinking what is the significance
of God's interference in many of our activities?

When there is some special event in our homes, we like to have the
presence of Bishops and priests. And at the same time we long for
their early departure from our midst, so as to start some other
activities. Are we not? This type of thinking is taking deep roots
not only in our private lives but in the Church lives too. Let us
think and find out the reason for such an evil thinking. Let us try
to correct ourselves. Make us worthy to admit and confess that our
Lord God is Lord of everything in our lives. We should not forget
the truth that everything in this world is under the control and
power of Lord Jesus Christ, as we read in Ephesians 1:22 and I Peter
3:22.

Let the Holy Spirit strengthen us to take a firm stand that we do
not need anything in which our God as well as His representatives on
earth, (Bishops and Priests) could not participate. May God bless us
all.


Jose Kurian Puliyeril.

Re: jacobite church in coimbatore

The Church Address is:

St. Marys Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Mount Sinai Nagar
Rathinapuri P.O.
Coimbatore - 641027
Ph: 233-2237

Thank You,
Binu Aramath
Member ID # 0912

Dear Sir,

I could visualize a shadow of sorrow in your big heart. Fortunately when I saw
your participation in kairali tv discussion forum I was arguing my slef why
can't you come out with power to expose the present church leaders who have made
themselves 'pareesanmar'. The true faith that has been handed over to us from
Our Lord through the holy disciples, holy sahdhas,holy saints has been conquered
by these god's men. The offeractory given by lamenting faithful to be used to
comfort the sufferings of millions has been taken away by these god's men and
construct their dynasties. I see Prophet Elijah who slept under a tree and
wished to die. We know the later part how he was used by Yahova.

A man with an execuitve mind and experience should come out to save our faith -
the syrian orthodox faith.

The respects sir, you enjoy in both sides is a direct proof that you are able to
do it. I do agree that it is prudent to people like us who have no place in
church can remian silent with prayers.

"nadahne mulmudi choodiya lokame
nee tharum parenikkenthina".

There are thousands of people like me in the church who patiently looking
forward to see the eternal peace in the church. Under the Syrian tradition with
HH Moran the supreme head the malanakara church could function as two
indepedeant bodies that has the right
on the properties and deciding their clergy including their local heads.

Pray to God with strong intercession to St. Greegorios

Dr.GeorgeKunju
ID 0204

Dear  Fr. Mathew C. Chacko

Were you hurt by  that posting?  I am sorry.  But what he wrote is
true.  Is it false?  See, when people  hear  things  which hurt them,
some will do an introspection  others  attack.

Cain  did not like what  Habel offered to  God. and so he attacked
Habel.

When St. Peter was  preaching to the people of  Israel, they
were "'cut to the heart' and asked what shall we do..

So the response varies...
Now you stated "Indian Church did not begin with the Syrian connection".  Funny,
isn't it?  We  believe  apostle St. Thomas created the church  here. ( There are
people else where also with similar claims).  But  what was that church here
before  the 16th century? ( the time which  IOC says started the Syrian
connection)?.

Let us assume we had an independent church here....THEN.  Let me ask
you

** Was there any seat of administration ?  If so where?
** Who were  the bishops here?  We could not find the tomb even
single bishop from such time?

** No records of any thing ? No history,  What happened to the
priestly dress or prayers or  Taksas or anything related to that era?

** If this was in independent church, why did Syrians come here in
3rd century?

** If the Syrian connection started only in 16th century, why there
was no revolt against that "invasion" Let us remember that our
forefathers even revolted against  Roman invasion. even when the
ruling kings sided  with them.

** Why  no faction was broke away protesting  the `Syrian  invasion'
** Why did  `Vattasseri thirumeni,' went to  Syria for ordination ?
** Why did he write that  "priesthood" originates from Throne of
Antioch. Isn't it because  he knew it   was    a  Lord established
throne?
** Why did Parumala Thirumeni wrote that those who rebel against the
Throne of  Antioch is cursed. Do you   believe in Parumala Thirumeni? Isn't he
saint?  Don't you know that God listens to His
saints? knowing this why do IOC  rebel to the  throne of Antioch  ?

** I can never figure out  how people can  work against  the LORD's
church and still  see LORD's  intercession.  It simply amazes me.
I have seen  IOC  literature, saying  their  Catholicos, is the
throne established by  St. Thomas, who created church in  India.  At
the same time, they give a list of Catholicos in  Persia.  Isn't it
contradictory?  Either St. Thomas   came here and established a seat
here or he did not.  If he established a seat here, then why do  IOC
claim that   the seat  is transferred from  Persia. and who
transferred?  And when ?

  ** IOC says the  Syrian connection started in  16th century. Then
why no one said about the throne of   St. Thomas till  1970.?   Were
all  fathers were dump?

**     I see so many  IOC, members talk against or fight against
Syrian church.  It is the church from which   MarThoma church and
IOC church claims  priesthood.  If SOC doesn't  have priest hood
these churches never got it.

** The fact that you all went to SOC,  for priest hood shows it is a
God's  church.   And then  IOC filed against that church, talked
against those church fathers who lived and died for  LORD.

** How many cases have been filed   against  SOC?  Against  Holy
Bible , the True word of  God.

You know the answers to all this questions. I don't want to elaborate.

Being in IOC you are a part of all this actions against the Lord's
church. And it is high time for you all to have an  introspection.

You may  chose to continue where you are.  But my prayers will be
with you.

I did not want to pain you anyway.  I am one of the guys who pray
for church peace every day.  If  IOC shows a little  respect to
Lord's  teachings, we could co-exist with  peacefully.  My prayers
are daily for it.

Love in  Christ
Paul

# 901

"All images reveal and make perceptible those things which are hidden. For
example, a man does not have immediate knowledge of invisible things, since the
soul is veiled by the body. Nor can man have immediate knowledge of things which
are distant from each other or separated by place, because he himself is
circumscribed by place and time. Therefore the image was devised that he might
advance in knowledge, and that secret things might be revealed and made
perceptible. Therefore, images are a source of profit, help, and salvation for
all, since they make things so obviously manifest, enabling us to perceive
hidden things. Thus, we are encouraged to desire and imitate what is good and to
shun and hate what is evil."

St. John of Damascus.

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"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the
flesh."  Galatians 5:16

The Biblical Archaelogical Review (BAR) - the most widely known popular Biblical
Archaelogical magazine - in its internet weekly e-newsletter "The BAR Companion"
has highlighted Fr Dale Johnson's article, "Google Archaelogy"
(http://www.socdigest.org/articles/01sep06.html) in its September 26th edition.
See the link at http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/bswbOOnews.html. (The page is
refreshed weekly and may change on Oct 2nd or 3rd).

Congratulations to Shroro for recognition by an internationally acclaimed
journal! Congratulations in particular to Rev. Fr. Dale Johnson on an excellent
article that offers much promise for the preservation of sites of great
importance for the Syriac Orthodox Church and a special thanks for his selfless
service for the Church!

Regards,

Thomas Joseph, Ph.D.Web Master,
Syriac Orthodox Resources [ http://sor.cua.edu/ ]Tech. Editor, Hugoye: Journal
of Syriac Studies [http://bethmardutho.cua.edu/Hugoye/ ]
St. Mary's Church, Los Angeles
ID: 0202

I am grateful for the affectionate sentiment. I am following everything. I write
only when the moderators suggest, but I read what everybody posts although I do
skip a lot of argumentative responses and debates! I am here, I pray for the
church, Moran and HB everyday. In politics we find nobody retiring, but I treat
my present status as a "retired" leader of the church: I was God's instrument
from 1971 to 1996 and now I continue to be His instrument, within and outside
the SOC. I am here, just RETD.! As from the IAS. I do not see any files any
more, but whenever some Minister or ChiefSEC/other Govt SECs seek my opinion I
spend my time for them free, out of a co-operative mind. In the church also I am
in a comparable slot.

Thanks again for the kind words.

Pray for me.
Rgards.
Bar 'Eato Briro Dr. Babu Paul
Member ID # 075

I very much appreciate the two replies so far to the post concerning
the spiritual origins of the IOC. It is truly refreshing to get some
sort of response that does not attack the SOC and is not filled with
propaganda. Actually, the tone of both responses borders on
reconciliatory. I think that the questions and issues raised are
worthy of great respect (unlike in most responses).

I think it may be instructive to hear from other learned members on
this matter.

To comment: Mr. Daniel starts by saying he is not going to answer my
question. Let me respectfully remark on his.

1. I did not claim nor imply that the Holy Spirit `only'
created the SOC. There are several Apostolic Churches. There is no
Apostolic Church in this world (that believes in the Nicene-
Constantinople Creed), however, that can legitimately claim a direct
succession by laying on of hands from one generation to the next
SAVE those that are Petrine Churches.
2. Yes, there are many churches that claim some relationship to
the church of Antioch started by St. Peter and "fleshed out" by
Ignatious of Antioch, but there is only one truly autocephalous.
This is the Church led by HH Ignatious Zakka I. The other churches
are "somehow" under Rome or Constantinople from their beginning.
These are all Apostolic Churches set up by the Universal Church
(coming in convention from all jurisdictions, led by the Holy Spirit
in Synod in the AD 300's). By universal decree, no church was to
continue in a hierarchy set up in any other way. Please read the
accounts of the universal synods. You may ask, "why don't we all
become Catholics or Greek Orthodox?" Well, Nicea gave "all the East"
to the completely autocephalous Patriarch of Antioch, and so we
continue. In practice, of course, this has been long flaunted, so
you find Catholics in India and Copts in Europe. The Churches have
agreed to co-exist. All except the IOC, which wants to wipe out the
Jacobites.
3. I did not imply that what is now known as the "SOC" directly
started Christianity in India. It is an article of faith that St.
Thomas did. Jacobites accept this and have promulgated this belief
even though there is precious little direct evidence to support the
Holy Apostle's missionary activity in southwest India. What we DO
NOT accept is that the current IOC leaders are the successors of St.
Thomas. St. Thomas left no successors in India to cause the church
to mature. I do not believe that when Mor Vatteserril brought a
deposed SYRIAN, PETRINE Patriarch to ordain the first IOC
Catholicose that he was recreating a Thomasine line. I do not
believe that when Mor Augen I was consecrated Catholicose by a
SYRIAN, PETRINE Patriarch that a new line Thomasine line was being
created. The Holy Spirit brought in the Syrian Orthodox Church in AD
345, as we ALL ALSO accept (Knanya Thomas and Bishop) to administer
and shore up the Church. We are all Trinitarians and non-
Chalcedonians because of it. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, MR. DANIEL. I
DO NOT "ACCEPT THE EVOLUTION OF THE ST. THOMAS CHRISTIANS INTO THE
THE GLOBAL IOC" AS IT HAPPENEND BECAUSE IT HAS AND CONTINUES TO
HAPPEN IN A PATENTLY NON-CHRISTIAN WAY.
4. My quoting of the parable of the wheat and tares (Gospel of
Mathew) does in no way imply that those seeking the Kingdom of God
in whatever circumstance they find themselves in will not have
opportunity to find it. If you read my comment/question underneath,
I imply that the IOC LEADERSHIP and those who seek SUBVERSION may
find themselves tares. *Key element in my argument that must be
understood with regard to this issue: There are only two religious
groups in the world that are trying to destroy the SOC – the Muslims
in Turkey and the IOC. Everywhere else we are highly respected, even
among the Catholics and the Antiochian Orthodox. The Marthomites,
etc. in India or abroad are not actively trying to destroy us
(though they came from us, just like IOC).  Attempting to weaken or
destroy the SOC created by the Holy Spirit is not Holy Spirit led
activity. Period. Those calling themselves Christians and leading
others to destroy Christians might be characterized as "tares."
5. To Dn. Gregory, my only question is "Who created the
division?" Was it the Jacobite Christians or Mor Augen I, his
successors and followers? Should you not shine the precious Bible
verse that you quote into Devokalam? Why do you say "peace and
safety" and ignore the war that your church promulgates against
mine? Also, you did not answer my question. I did not ask if the
Holy Spirit was working in India. I did not even ask if the Holy
Spirit was working currently in the IOC.  I asked whether or not the
Holy Spirit CREATED the entity "Indian Orthodox Church" in
opposition to the Church existing before. Maybe I should have been
more clear – Did the Holy Spirit ESTABLISH what is now known as
the "Indian Orthodox Church," governed by the constitution of 1934
(as amended by events of 1958 and 1975) which states the
(Petrine, "foreign," Non-Chancedonian) Patriarch of Antioch is the
Supreme Spiritual head, but now, in practice, blows the same
Patriarch off? This is the point. Your faith comes from the
teachings of Jesus Christ and ALL His Apostles, including Peter and
Thomas. Your "presbyters," I submit, do not. Your presbyters by
definition lead you, so I figure you should be concerned. In terms
of the pure kernel of faith, we are brothers worshiping the same
Father. When your church stops the onslaught and power grab
worldwide, we can work together. Our Patriarch has already committed
to this, welcoming proposals to move forward as sister churches
despite the details of the schism. Your side tried to stop him from
even setting foot in India on his most recent visit. Christ has not
been divided by the Universal Church. It is local politics that
divides the Church and causes strife. To drive home this point, if
you support Mor Nicolovos, it is very hard to hear a "call for
unity" from you after the ex-communicated Bishop walked into IOC
with North American SOC churches, property, and spiritual vigor.
Respected Deacon, I do not think I am the one with misguided
thinking here.
6. Returning to Mr. Daniel: I do not know why the semantics of
the name of the SOC would be important as the Church was not named
in a reactionary fashion. The name in Aramaic has not changed. The
name "Indian Orthodox Church" has very little to do with spiritual
evolution as it does with nationalism and racism. It is not even the
official name of this church, at least not in all the court cases
you have filed!
7. What is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? It is becoming
numb to Him and His calling. This is just about the only way one
cannot be saved by Jesus Christ. This is my response to Mr. Daniel's
last few lines: "Those who bring the head and tail story in
relationship between SOC and IOC are the representatives of the
devil. There is only one head which is Christ." Yes – Christ – not
St. Thomas and certainly not the present leadership of IOC. If there
is no "head or tail," then why this fight? Why not rejoin the
clearly established SOC and stop the bleeding that causes the other
religious communities in Kerala to laugh at the name of Jesus
Christ?

Final Thought: If sordid history should simply be wiped away in a
quixotic search for unity then would it not be far more expedient
for all of us to become Quakers or "Christian Scientists" or
something else so that we could be "in communion" with just about
everytihing, sensical or not?

I do hope that some one can address my original query. Did the Holy
Spirit create the Indian Orthodox Church (the one under the 1934
constitution), as a separate movement from the already established
Universal (Jacobite) Syrian Orthodox Church it is trying to co-opt,
replace, destroy, wipe out, etc? Forgive me if I was not clear.

I look forward to further discussion and wish all who take faith
seriously God speed in their journey toward Him. I look forward to
corrections as well.

In Christ,

Dn. Zach Varghese
0970

Dear  All ,

Requesting for a healing prayer

Please do pray for a 12 months old girl Maria joseph. She is  now in
ICU in Adan hospital [ Kuwait].Doctor confirmed that she has a major
tumor in her brain and only God , the almighty can only heal her .So ,
i'm requesting your kind heart to pray for  her healing .

We believe that nothing is impossible for god .Please do pray for this
little one's health..

Plz pass on my Prayer Request around world.

GOD IS GREAT !

GOD BLESS  you all!!

Lissy K. Paul

Dear Paul Reji

Your answer is here in these verses whcih St. paul wrote to the
church of Corinth

quote
1 Corinthians 1 : 10  By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ I
appeal to all of you, my friends, to agree in what you say, so that
there will be no divisions among you. Be completely united, with only
one thought and one purpose. 11 For some people from Chloe's family
have told me quite plainly, my friends, that there are quarrels among
you. 12 Let me put it this way: each one of you says something
different. One says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos";
another, "I follow Peter"; and another, "I follow Christ." 13 Christ
has been divided into groups! Was it Paul who died on the cross for
you? Were you baptized as Paul's disciples?

unquote

I think you are so excited about your Syrian or Indian connection
because your interest is  to divide the people who are united in
Christ.

Rgds
Ronnie Daniel
ID # 2304

Dear Lissy,

Your message touches all hearts of those who have children. May the
little Maria be touched by the healing divine hands of the ever-
affectionate Jesus,our Lord.  Our prayers are with Maria and with
her anxious parents.  Lord! 'Your Will' we seek on this little
creation of yours, please! please be merciful !

We join everyone in prayers,

For St.Paul's Fellowship
Malankara Archdiocese of SOC in North America
(Babu Jacob)
# 0983

"The Lord did not require ten talents from him who had received only two; and as
He distributed them according to the strength of each, so He also collected them
according to the strength of their upbringing. And we, as merciless torturers of
each other, often ask from our fellow creatures that which we cannot even
fulfill ourselves, and certainly would not have fulfilled if we had been in
their place.  And so, seek any correction first of all in yourself; and then
with the help of God's blessing you attain this in proportion to your strength,
then surely you will see your fellow creatures as favorable, good and kind:
'First cast out the beam in thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye' (Mt. 7:5)."

Abbess Thaisia.

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: You shall love your
neighbor as yourself."  Galatians 5:14

Matrimonial Digest / 0039-2006

Dear members

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given by the advertiser. Concerned parties are encouraged to verify
the particulars. As per the request of some advertisers we withheld
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Matrimonial; Code # 067/06
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Parents from jaccobit family,  Ernakulam  ,invites proposal for
their daughter , who is M.A.Bed(lts)  working in reputed English
meaduim school, kolencherry. she 27yrs, very fair, 5ft.2inch tall &
she has one sister married to a doctor setteled in Ireland. Plz
contact 0974 5546501 Qatar, or  0914842760328 Ernakulam. mail
petersonv@...

Matrimonial; Code # 066/06
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Jacobite parents  invited proposal for their daughter , 22 years,
164cm, slim and fair , doing M.com final, seeking proposal from
Interested parents of well employed boys may contact
varkey_issac@...

Matrimonial; Code # 065/06
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Invite proposals for a Jacobite B.Tech girl 25years 170cms height
working as a software engineer in a reputed firm in Trivandrum. Girl
is smart and good looking and brought up in very religious priestly
family. Contact on 093429-71427 or sasi-47@...

Matrimonial; Code # 064/06
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Jacobite parents invite proposal for their daughter. She is 29 years
old 5'5" tall slim and fair.She is Working in her field after
finishing M.Sc in Enginnering. We settled in Canada.
Please contact with photo and details.E-mail thomekurian@...

Matrimonial; Code # 061/06
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A middle class Kottayam District Jacobite syrian parents seeking
alliance for their beautiful daughter 25yrs, height 5.4'', Fair /
Wheatish, B'Pharm. currently working in a Pharmaceutical company in
Calcutta.

Brought up outside Kerala. Fluent in Malayalam (speak /read).Parents
currently working in Calcutta. She is God-fearing, Religious, Fun-
loving, Easy going, honest, sincere, simple and  down to earth girl
having a  blend of modern & traditional outlook towards life.

The boy  should be God fearing educated & employed. Please respond
if interested with full details johnmancha_kolkata@... OR
contact 033 - 2329 9197 (7.00 p.m. –10.00 a.m.)

Matrimonial; Code # 060/06
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Jacobite parents from Pathanamthitta Dist  presently living in USA
invite suitable marriage proposals for their daughter, 23 years,
fair, 165 cm, Engineer (Electrical & Telecommunication) presently
doing her Masters Degree course in USA, green card holder born and
brought up in Kuwait graduated from India.

Proposals are invited from God fearing, family oriented boys having
similiar or equal educational background who would like to migrate
or continue his studies in USA.  Interested parties may contact with
full details on email  gjacobjohn@...

Matrimonial; Code # 059/06
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Proposals invited for a Jacobite Christian girl from Ernakulam
district, 24 years/155cms/Wheatish colour/Msc and currently doing
BEd,financially sound from professionals preferably of Ernakulam
district.Father a retired teacher,Mother a Housewife,only sister
married and well settled. If interested please do contact
georgecissac@ yahoo.co.in

Matrimonial; Code # 051/06
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Jacobite Christian girl from Ernakulam District, 27 yrs,Diploma
in Nursing (GNM), very spiritual  and employed as staff nurse in
UK. White complexion,157cm. Looking for qualified, God fearing boy
(Professional degree holders/ Nurses/preferred). Father expired,
mom house wife ,one brother working as a Software consultant and
younger brother in Kerala. Please respond if interested with full
details and recent photographs to propose_2006@...  or
contact on  0485 3297772/ 91 9840119568

Matrimonial; Code # 049/06
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Suitable alliance invited for a Jacobite girl MS (Dual certification
in Education), 25 years, 5.4", fair, slim, simple and beautiful.
She is the eldest of the two children of her parents and her brother
is in college. Born in India, she is raised in Middle-east and US.
She  hails from a well respected Orthodox family settled in US. She
is a  Sunday School Teacher and family is actively involved in
Church and public life.  Father is in business and mother is a RN.
Interested parties may please contact at bharanimol@...
preferably with detailed bio-data and the picture of the boy

Matrimonial; Code # 048/06
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Orthodox parents from Ernakulam dist invite proposals for their
daughter, widow 39 yrs.5'3", Home Science diploma,fair, very Home
loving and God fearing, from Orthodox/Jacobite Widowers of 40 to 45
age group, well settled in life in India or abroad, with clean
habits, positive attitude towards life and home loving.  Please
respond to anupal23@...

Matrimonial; Code # 045/06
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Proposals invited for a god fearing girl 28years 28/163 cm
preparing  for MFDS and working in Chennai, from a middle class
Jacobite family  from Perumbavoor. Her parents working  in Kuwait.
Sister, BDS and  doing internship & brother final year ECE student.

Proposals are invited from god fearing, well placed professionals
from India/abroad, with good moral values and clean habits.
Interested parties may please respond to sheelagk@... with
full details and recent full size photograph of the boy.

Matrimonial; Code # 044/06
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Orthodox parents living in US for 32 years invite marriage
proposals  for their daughter,31 Years old,5'6'' fair, beautiful,
intelligent,  very family oriented & God fearing. Born and brought
up in US with  traditional Indian cultures & Christian values. She
is doing her  Family Medicine Residency in New York. All her
siblings are in the
Medical profession. We are looking for professionals preferably
Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, CPAs from any Christian denomination.
Please respond with bio-data and a returnable photograph to
vjacob02@... or call 201-921-7815

Matrimonial; Code # 043/06
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Proposals invited for a god fearing girl 23years 5-4" BDS and doing
intern, from a nationally reputed dental college - completing June
2006 , slim, fair and beautiful, from a middle class orthodox
family.  Her father (late) was an Advocate and Mother working in
Govt. service  (Associate Professor). Only brother studying for
Degree Course.

Proposals are invited from god fearing, well placed professionals
from India/abroad, with good moral values and clean habits.
Interested parties may please respond to mathewabru@... /
cvjacob@...  or davischerian@...

Matrimonial; Code # 041/06
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Jacobite Christian girl, 29 yrs old, 5'3", very fair,  USA citizen,
registered nurse, divorced after 6 months  of marriage. No issues.
Looking for qualified boys with clean habits.  e-mail address
ph476@...

Matrimonial; Code # 040/06
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Proposals invited for a 25year old Jacobite girl presently working
as a software engineer in Bangalore. Parents retired teachers
presently settled in Perumbavoor.Only brother married and working
as an engineer in Citibank Singapore. If interested please contact
0484-2523269 or kurianyeldho@...

Matrimonial; Code # 038/06
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Suitable alliance invited for a God-fearing Jacobite girl 28years,
Height : 181cms, Complexsion : Fair, BTech in EEE Working with an
indian MNC in Bangalore.
Parish : Simhasana Church, Kottayam  Father : Advocate, practising
at Kottayam
Mother : Retired Professor.  Siblings : Two.   The proposed girl has
two elder broters, both married and settled.  our prefferance for
goom - should well qualified and employed, have  good moral values.
If interested please respond with your son's details with recent
photo to roni.simon@...

Matrimonial; Code # 037/06
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Orthodox parents residing in USA invite proposals for their
daughter  who is 31 Years old; green card holder from professionally
qualified  boys from any Christian denomination who would like to
immigrate to  USA. She is born & brought up in Kerala, very pretty,
goodlooking,  5'7" tall & slightly disabled. Interested parties
please respond  with your details & a recent photograph to this
address vivaham06@...

Matrimonial; Code # 036/06
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Proposals invited for orthodox girl,24yrs,164 cms, MBBS. Father
working  abroad, but legally separated since 8 yrs. Mother working
in Govt  service. Only brother studying for BTech. Proposals invited
from  doctors  only. If interested contact at ashbluelark05@...

Matrimonial; Code # 035/06
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Suitable alliance invited for a God-fearing orthodox girl  26years,
Height : 153, Complexsion : Fair, M B A in HR & Marketing  (dual
specialization) Languages Known: Malayalam, Hindi& English.  Working
in a stock & share broking company.
Parish : St. Mary's Orthodox Church (Kottayam Cheriyapally) Father:
Mr. Bose Punnathra, Business man  Mother : Ms. Susan Bose, Rtd.
Deputy DEMO.  Siblings : Two

The proposed girl is the one among twins the elder one married and
working as a teacher in a CBSE school Kottayam and younger sister
is  persuing engineering in Calicut government college.  our
prefferance for goom - should well qualified and employed, have
good moral values. If interested please respond with your son's
details with recent  photo to bosepunnathra@...

Matrimonial; Code # 034/06
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Jacobite parents, middle class family, invite proposals for their
daughter, B. Pharm, MBA, 26/158, medium complexion, God fearing,
employed in a multinational pharmaceutical company in Chennai,  from
parents of professionally qualified or postgraduates well  employed
Jacobite/Orthodox boys.

Interested may contact on Email: johnmercy@...

Matrimonial; Code # 027/05
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Jacobite parents invite remarriage proposals for their
daughter /white&fair/ 28/ 152cm /M.com, DCA. Recordical proof only
existed for the first marriage and the court declared the same as
null and void. Please contact by e-mail with details at at
simiraj@...

Matrimonial; Code # 026/05
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Suitable alliance invited for a God fearing Jacobite Girl, Working
in UK, as staff nurse she is in25, 5.4?, 59 KG, will be coming by
middle of April. Her father is a retired teacher; an active member
of church, Mother is housewife and one brother, working in Delhi.
The boy should be God fearing, fair, caring, having good manners and
preferably from the medical background (BPT or any other).

Interested parents may please contact at basilpaul@...;
basilpaulk@... , 9818730557 04842678110 (K. K Paulose)

Matrimonial; Code # 023/05
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Suitable alliance invited for a Jacobite Girl, 22 years,
164cm,slim,  M.com final. Parents in Saudi Arabia. Family belongs to
Angamally  Diocese. Interested parents may contact
vvmvvm2003@...

Matrimonial; Code # 021/05
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Looking for a good boy computer professional/engineer from a middle
class family from Kerala preferably cochin orthodox/Jacobite aged
over 28 for our second daughter aged 27 MCA slim good looking.
interested persons may wish to contact at george_kunju@...
giving the details.

Matrimonial; Code # 020/05
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Jacobite Christian parents settled in Canada invite proposals for
their daughter, 28 years old, fair, slim 5;5''tall with very high
moral value. she is working after finishing masters in chemical
engineering. Proposals are invited from parents of well educated
boys from any Christian denomination in North America. Please e-mail
thomekurian@... giving the details with code # MP-020/04.

Matrimonial; Code # 019/05
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Jacobite parents seeking alliance for their beautiful daughter
31yrs, height 5.6'' postgraduate teacher in a public school. Born
and brought up outside Kerala. Parents settled in Angamally. The
boy  should be God fearing educated & employed. Preferance will be
given  to boys working outside Kerala. Please contact on
mcsm53@... giving the details.

Matrimonial; Code # 013/05
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Jacobite parents from Ernakulam Dt. invites proposals to her
daughter, who is presently working at Bangalore. Educated and
employed Jacobite youths working at Bangalore are preferred. The
proposals to be made from middle class family. The boy should be
God  fearing. The girl is 25 yrs of old, 5.3". She had Completed
B.Sc. Maths and have GNIIT, (3 yr computer diploma) course
Certificate) please respond to eldhoshimmy@...

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Matrimonial; Code # 063/06
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Orthodox Christian boy from Kottayam District, 28 yrs, Polytechnic
Diploma (Automobiles), very spiritual with clean habits and employed
as Technical Consultant in Dubai based company with family status.
White complexion, 181 cm. looking for qualified, God fearing
girl (Nurses/ Graduates preferred) from middle class families.
Father expired, mom house wife, sister working in RML New Delhi.

Please respond if interested with full details and recent
photographs to bjkuriakose@... or contact on 0481-2462502
(KTM) / 050-3538208 (DXB) or 04-2224051 between 5.30 to 10.30 pm.

Matrimonial; Code # 062/06
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Jacobite retired middle class parents from Kottayam invites
proposals for their elder son, 30years(July 1976), 175cms,God-
fearing, teetotaler, MCom, Completed CA Aticleship, passed one group
of CA Inter, working in Dubai as accountant, coming on leave in
August, from parents of God-fearing Jacobite/ Orthodox/Marthoma /
Syrian CSI girls preferably MCom/ MBA/ Bcom + CA Articleship.
Contact: 0481-2518151, 2518161 or mail to alexthomasp@...

Matrimonial; Code # 058/06
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Middle Class Jacobite parents from Kothamangalam seeking proposals
from Jacobite families only for their son, MCA graduate, 25 years
(DOB-19/10/81, Height: 161 cm) working as a software engineer in an
MNC (Satyam Computer Services). Parents are retired teachers and the
only sister is married and settled. Girls must be God fearing,
loyalty towards the Church and who are graduates or doing above
degree 2nd year.  Interested parties may contact Mr. Abin George
Kuriakose on 0091-9949496760 or e-mail: usocsecure@...

Matrimonial; Code # 057/06
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Jacobite Parents from Kottayam Diocese invites proposals for their
son aged 30yrs, 173 cm height, white, working as Spares-in-charge in
leading private Firm in  Kottayam.  Father Pharmacist. Mother house
wife . One younger brother  working as System Administrator
(Computer). Interested parties Please respond to email:
philiperuthical@... or by phone : 0481 – 2371822 (R)".

Matrimonial; Code # 056/06
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Proposals invited for a god fearing Boy 26yrs/186 cm , from a middle
class Jacobite family  from Muvattupuzha. He is a B-Tech graduate in
Computer Science and Engg. Now working as GM in a US based company
at Infopark, Kochi. His parents were  in Bhilai and now settled in
Muvattupuzha. Sister, BSc Nurse married and settled in Florida (US).

Proposals are invited from god fearing, well placed professionals
preferrably from US, with god fearing girls with similar backgrounds
(nurses please excuse).  Interested parties may please respond to
seemasijin@... with  full details and recent full size
photograph of the Girl

Matrimonial; Code # 055/06
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Jacobite parents from Mumbai invite proposals for their son 40,
medium complexion, divorcee, B.Sc. working in an MNC Pharmaceutical
company. Interested parties may please reply to rcmemts@...

Matrimonial; Code # 054/06
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Mumbai based Jacobite parents invite proposals for their son, 35 yrs,
165 cms, B.Com., Inter CA, working in Mumbai as Project Manager for
USA/UK based MNC, from parents of BSc Nurses working in USA/UK or
CGFNS passed nurses working in India/Gulf. Interested parties may
please reply to rcmemts@...

Matrimonial; Code # 052/06
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Religious Jacobite Syrian Orthodox parents hailing from Kothamangalam
[Angamally Diocese] invite marriage proposals for their son, 29
Years, Height: 180 Inches, Wheatish complexion, handsome and God
fearing[Serve the Holy Altar] with clean habits. He has his PG
Diploma in Business Mgmt and works for a leading International Denim
Casual Apparel Brand,handling its Retail Operations in Bangalore. He
has one younger brother who has just completed his Graduation in
Commerce.

We are looking for a God-fearing, caring, family oriented, pleasant
girl from a good Jacobite family with high moral and ethical values,
preferably working.  Those interested, you may please contact
joyvalethu@... or paul.live@...  Res:0485-2571060

Matrimonial; Code # 050/06
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Jacobite Christian boy from Ernakulam District, 30 yrs, M. Tech(
Software Systems ) , very spiritual with clean habits and employed
as Techcnical Consultant having a gross salary of 10.5 lakhs per
annum . Medium complexion,160cm.Looking for qualified, God fearing
girl (Nurses/Software professionals preferred) from middle class
families. Father expired, mom house wife ,one sister working in
UK and younger brother in Kerala. Please respond if interested with
full details and recent photographs to rajesh_s_george@...
or contact on  0485 3297772/ 91 9840119568

Matrimonial; Code # 046/06
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NRI Syrian Orthodox parents from a reputed family invite proposal
for a Smart, Very Loving & Caring Son, 27, 179cm, athletic,
healthy,  broad-minded, medium complexion, Hotel Management Degree,
Immigrated to Canada and decently employed.

Need a Very Loving and Fair girl of any denominations, above 165
cm,  has interest in Nature & Pets and has Professional
Qualifications - preferably Medical/Teaching field- and caliber to
adjust to life in  Canada. Tel: 0481-2582025//2518569/ 2517056/+9663-
5331674 pulickaparamb@... / pulickaparamb@...

Matrimonial; Code # 042/06
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Jacobite Christian boy 29 yrs, MCA ( Master of Computer
Application) ,very spiritual with clean habits and employed in
Kuwait as Product Manager for Microsoft products.Fair,170cm.Looking
for qualified, God fearing girls from middle class families. Parents
in Qatar with one sister married and settled in Bangalore. Please
respond if interested with full details and recent photographs to
jacobp@... or parayiljacob@...   or contact on  +974
4326859 or +974 5412443

Matrimonial; Code # 030/06
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Suitable alliance invited for a God-fearing Jacobite boy from
Chelad  Kothamangalam], working with a leading Fashion brand,
managing  Retail Operations in Mumbai. Age:28y Complexion: Wheatish
Height:180cms or 5ft 11inches Weight:73kgs Family: Moderate. His
father is working as a Dy. Manager with a MNC in Cochin. Mother, a
house-wife. Younger brother pursuing his graduation from Mor
Athanasius College, Kothamangalam.  Interested parents may contact
paul.live@...

Matrimonial; Code # 029/05
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Proposals invited for a well settled Jacobite boy belonging to an
ancient family. The proposed boy is a Mechanical Engineer working
in  a leading Multinational trading company. The boy is
27years,175cms,  fair, God- fearing and with clean habits.

We are looking for a fair, good looking, homely God-fearing girl
from a good Jacobite family.  If interested please contact : email :
tioman_78@...

Matrimonial; Code # 024/05
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Suitable alliance invited for a God fearing Jacobite boy, B.Sc
Computer Science, 29,5'8",63 kg, fair, working in Riyadh, Saudi
Arabia. The boy hails from a well-known family at Kundara, Kollam.
His father is a retired Supt. in Court, mother Rtd.  State
Coordinator in Rural Dept. One elder brother doing Business and one
elder sister got married. Interested parents may contact
joby007in@... or Thomas Abraham, +966 1 4885339 or
+9660507432962

Matrimonial; Code # 017/05
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Suitable alliance is invited for a Jacobite deacon, age 31, 5ft
5inch  B.A.,B.Ed.,B.D., M.Th., at present doing research work in
university  of Toronto, Canada) teaching in the seminary. family
background:  father, senior Corepiscopa in the church. mother house
wife. one  elder sister, lecturer, got married and one younger
brother advocate. for more information, mail to me
kjpunnachalil@...

Matrimonial; Code # 016/05
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Suitable alliance invited for a God fearing Jacobite boy, B.E.
(Electrical & Electronics), 26, presently employed in Bangalore as
Electrical Engineer in a Consultancy firm. The boy hails from a well-
Known family at Kumarakom, Kottayam.

His father is a retired KSEB Sub Engineer, mother is Govt. UP
school  headmistress and got one younger sister, who is married. The
girl  should be God fearing, caring, having good manners and
preferably  with B.Sc Nursing, employed (In India or abroad).
Interested parties  may please contact the boy's uncle at
monthiruvanchoor@...

Matrimonial; Code # 014/05
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Retired PWD Contractor's family (Jacobite, Middle Class, Ernakulam
District) invites suitable proposal from middle class Jacobite
parents of God fearing girls under 28, 5'1', 48 Kg, employed or
qualified to be employed (prefer teachers or lecturers) in or
around  Ernakulam Dist. She has to look after home affairs as the
brother and sister of the boy to be working overseas.

Their son (32, 5'3" 55 Kg) is a Vet. surgeon in Kerala Government
Service, posted within few kilometers from home, fair, clean
habits,  soft spoken, thin built and God fearing. His has an elder
brother and younger sister, both married. Genuine enquiries may be
posted to varkod@...

Matrimonial; code # 012/04
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Proposals invited from parents of god fearing BSc nurses for a
handsome Jacobite boy, hailing from Kolencherry, 29/168 Graduate,
only son, working as Marketing Executive for a reputed Co. in
Kuwait, active in church matters and having family visa status. He
has two sisters and both of them are well settled. The girl will
have good job prospects in Kuwait. Interested please respond to:
yeljoseph@...

Dear All

Its very clear IOC will patronise our saints to sow an advance seed which they
expect in future will give a claim to many official Jacobite churches &
properties .For this the entry point is declaring St.Yeldho mor Bascellios &
St.Athanasious Paulose as their saints too,with this strategy they hope can get
a faction in kothamangalam & Angamali Jacobite church and later bring law &
order issue to it & either close it or officially get a claim to this church
which are 100 % Jacobite .This is pure church politics.

The same stategy which they used in Parumala,they declared Mor Gregorios as
their great saint, many of their followers do not know that St.Gregorios was
declared as saint by Patriarch first and HH was a secretary to Patriarch and was
main  person behind Mulanthuruthy synod. History is repeatation itself.

Same strategy they plan to use but with different name Mor Bascellios Yeldho &
Mor Athanasious Paulose and they will use for every malankara saint we
declare,no wonder.

Bibu Philip Matthew;
Vayaliparambil  Pynadath
Member Id # 0074

Ronnie,

Is there anything I wrote false?  And you quoted  St.Paul:
Who divided people in  Christ here?  IOC  or Vattaserri Thirumeni or
who?

Who filed all this cases in  the court?

Who is the one who is saying all these lies ?

Will LORD  like poeple who say lies.  You are with a person who
said he did not see who ordained him. And you justify that !!! And
then you claim you likes such  deceptions.

Do you know both  Parumala  church  AND  Aluva Seminary are  owned
by  Patriarch  AND you took it inappropriately and claim that is
Christain  behavior and justify it.

Instead of  having a self introspection and  THINK  if you are
seeking truth  OR  if You are harming  LORD's  church, you quoted
a verse and try to defend yourself.

Pentecostals also do the same.

We all seek  'LIGHT'.  you close your eyes to the heart and seek
DARKNESS.

I don't want to argue with you.  Spent some time and  think
everything IOC  teaches is decide yourself if it is  true and Godly.

At least  read what  Vattasseri thirumeni wrote.

You write well.  Use that skill not to become ambassador to  IOC  but ambassador
to  LORD.

Love and Lord bless you

Paul
Member Id #901

"He who really keeps track of what he has done will consider as lost every day
during which he did not mourn, regardless of whatever good he may happen to have
done."

St. John Climacus.

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"Come now, and let us reason together, Says the Lord, Though your sins are like
scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They
shall be as wool."  Isaiah 1:18

Let us all pray.

Bar 'Eato Briro Dr. D. Babu Paul
Member Id # 075

KUMARAKOM ST.JOHN'S CHURCH (ATTAMANGALAM PALLY)
http://www.syrianchurch.org/ch/KumarakomStJohns.htm

St. John the Baptist church at Kumarakom, popularly known as
Attamangalam pally, is one of the prominent parishes of the Malankara
Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church.  This church which was established in
the year 1853, comes under the diocese of Kottayam.

It was from this parish the custom of pilgrimage procession to the
saint's tomb at Manjanikkara started in the year 1932.  The famous
portrait of St. Grergorios of Malankara (Parumala Thirumeni) sketched
by the celebrate painter of India, Raja Ravi Varma is in the
possession of this church. Three Patriarchs had visted this church.

For a detailed history of the parish, visit:
http://www.syrianchurch.org/ch/KumarakomStJohns.htm

John Philip K
St. Joseph's Cathedral
Kottayam
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"At all times you should fear God, and every day you should examine yourself to
see what good things you have done and what bad things. And you should forget
what was good, lest you succumb to the passion of self-esteem. But where what
was bad is concerned you should weep, confess, and pray intensely."

St. Symeon the New Theologian.

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"Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good
conscience, and from sincere faith."  1 Timothy 1:5

Dear all in Christ

Malayalam fortnightly, VISWASA SAMRAKSHAKAof October 01-15 edition is now
online. URL: http://www.viswasasamrakshakan.org/oct01.pdf

In the intercession of St. Athanasius Paulose (Valiya Thirumeni).

Editorial Board
VISWASA SAMRAKSHAN
http://www.viswasasamrakshakan.org

Dear All,

Its a good move,we jacobites are the rightful owners(of Trikkunath Seminary &
St.Athanasious High School, Nedumbassery) we have the registered will in our
favour for both.If we cannot make the CM open this church as he may try to
appease both factions,we must ask court to execute registered will(i am not a
legal expert) which is in our favour as legitimate owners.Our members should
discuss this issue also, as we know that CM may not have always political will
to take a bold stand.'Democracy is most often a compromise ,there is no complete
victory', to quote H.G. Wells.

Also our members should discuss the matter about possessing ownership of 
Mor.Athanasious High school(nedumbassery),which also has registered will in our
favour written by Mor Gregorios Vayaliparambil.

We must discuss the legal consequences of executing a registered will by court
as an option.

Rgds,

Bibu Philip Matthew;
Vayaliparambil Pynadath
Member Id # 0074

slomo..

I am very happy to write that His Grace Dr.Yuhanon Mor Philoxinos Metrapolitan
announced St.Mary's Jacobite Syrian Church Cheengeri,Wayanad,Malabar as a
"THEERTHADANA KENDRAM" in his speech during the feast of Yeldo Mor Baselious
Bava in the church,in the presence of hundreds came for the feast. His Grace
praised the relief works of "Pheonix Relief Fund" and said that the church is a
model for others.

This church is the second "THEERTHADANA KENDRAM" on Malabar after St.Basil
Church,Cheeyambam,Pulpally. The church is blessed with the "THIRUSHESHIPPU" of
Mor Baselious Yeldho Bava.

The sunday school here is the winner of 'BEST SUNDAY SCHOOL AWARD" of MJSSA
twice, in the years 1993 and 1997.Vicar Rev.Fr.George Kavungumpillil,Trustee
Sri.N.P.Varghese Nellikkal,Secretay Sri.A.I.Kuriakose Adukalil(Retd STO) along
with the help of St Mary's Sunday School,Mor Baselious Youth Association,Martha
Mariyam Samajam,Antioch Viswasa Samrakshana Samithi and all other members of the
church,give the leadership with the blessings of Almighty.

with regards

SARUN MANI
Member id# 3259