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#8195 From: Babu Jacob Nadayil
Date: Mon May 8, 2006 1:57 am
Subject: May the Lord wipe your tears....
bandkbj
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Dear Abin,

It was indeed a heartbreaking story, the tragic & sudden
departure of your little niece. ELDA's name was placed today on the
Holy Altar of our St.Mary's Syrian Orthodox Church, Whiteplains, New
York and we prayed for the departed soul.
We also pray for the sorrowful family to the Heavenly Father
who called little Elda to be among His multitude of glorifying
angels. May our Mighty Father comfort every one of you with the
surety that Elda is enjoying His fondness and that we all will join
her eventually.

Yours in Christ,

Babu Jacob Nadayil,
St.Paul's Fellowship
Malankara Archdiocese of SOC in North America
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#8196 From: Varugese C J
Date: Fri May 5, 2006 4:02 am
Subject: Confession through letter
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It is a fact that, few among us think wearing a cross, a regular in attending
the Holly Mass, closeness to any High Priest/Bishop/Priest etc. will help us
attain salvation. Likewise a new trend is created among a few of us to believe
that Confession through letter will suffice the sanctity of this Holy Sacrament.
Let us not forget that how our Lord rebuked the Isralites about saying "Korban"
to their parents, and their beliefe that they are relieved of their
responsibility. As a common man, all of us would like to get maximum benefits
through least minimum sacrifice. Slowly the numbers among us is getting
increased day by day in criticising our Orthodox traditions, belief, faith and
dogmas. It is tragic to notice that these people find support from amongst the
priestlings also.

If one go through the Catholic Church History in Europe, the practice of issuing
letters of indulgence was widely practiced by them. Slowly the Catholic Church
started selling it for a price. The priests and bishops got this idea of
marketing this thereby an opportunity to amass wealth. They exploited this
opportunity at its maximum. Almost the entire Europe's wealth came under the
Church. (This is the secret beind the Roman Church's wealth, and they do not
need any financial help from its members). The Roman Church became so powerful,
mightier than the once mightly Roman Empire. The Church became the deciding
factor who will be next Empire of the Great Nation. But the sufferings of the
poor, meek and landless increased to its maximum, and finally the revolt against
the church lead to the birth of Protestantinism of the Church. The loose-end
protestentinism not only attracted the poor, but also the affluent in the
society. The practice of selling the indulgence through which the church amassed
the wealth paved the way for the disintegration of not only the mighty Roman
Empire into numerous small states, but also division in the Holy Church. This
phenomena is still continuing with further disintegration of Church for the last
5-6 centuries. If we start counting the denominations of various Christian
Churches, we will be astonished to believe, how such a marvellous body of our
Lord disintegrated into thousands particles, without have any common faith, love
amongst each - in fact waiting to attach each other, but with only one thing in
common - the label as Christians. Is this the way our Lord visualized the spread
of his message first through the messengers, later through the Apostles.

My humble opinion is that, we, the faithfuls of the Orthodox Church, should
never think to dilute anything we inherited from our forefathers. To keep our
faith, we may have to shred away our ego, we may have to sacrifice something so
dear to us, through which only we will be succeeding in preserving our faith,
and hand over it to the coming generations. Let us not look around, how other
Church practices are, how they fare in their dealings with the situations, you
may feel more comfortable with some of their actions. Let us not be like
fire-flies, which is attracted to the fire and how tragic their end is. Like the
fire-flies lot among us are attracted towards the other denominations, and
nobody can prevent them in doing so.

Let us rejoice in our traditions. Let us observe all our Holy Sacraments and
prayers with utmost care and vigour. We can be a proud Orthodox faithful, only
if we keep our traditions in tact.

With prayers,
CJ Varughese
Member ID # 1012





#8197 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Wed May 3, 2006 1:06 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"After the Savior introduced the lofty doctrines concerning the Spirit to
the disciples, at one and the same time, both doing away with their faint
heartedness and theologizing truly concerning the Spirit, it was only human
if their minds were in turmoil of unlawful thoughts. How grim it is when the
soul is consumed with grief and when judgment is muddled by the murk of this
state; then that which is for salvation is distorted and becomes baneful.
Therefore, as best physician of both body and soul, He prescribes the saving
medicine beforehand, so that, inasmuch as the Spirit grants greater gifts,
they would not apprehend the Spirit as being superior to the Son, nor would
they admit any thought which would insult matter and sunder the equal
hypostases into inequality."

St. Photios the Great.
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"I will praise You, O Lord, with my whole heart; I will tell of all Your
marvelous works. I will be glad and rejoice in You; I will sing praise to
Your name, O Most High." Psalms 9:1-2
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The Christians in Egypt. "Blessed is Egypt My people." Isaiah 19:25
Please remember me in your prayers.
Please pray for the peace of the world.
"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:7






#8198 From: SOCM PrayerCell
Date: Mon May 8, 2006 10:11 am
Subject: 13th Chain Prayer Subjects
socmprayercell
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Please find the prayer subjects for our 13th  Chain Prayer starting Tuesady
Evening 9th May and ending same time Wednesday 10th.

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socmprayercell/files/10%2005%202006%20Prayer%20Sub\
jects.doc


Seal us with the Holy Blood of the Lamb and pray for others.

Always remember our key verse - Job 42:10

Please advise if you have any problems in dowloading or praying at the given
schedule.

With you in prayers
SOCM PRAYER CELL






#8199 From: Lissy Paul
Date: Mon May 8, 2006 1:19 pm
Subject: Pretty Angles singing to Elda Mole
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Dear Mr. Abin George Kuriakose,

I am sorry to hear this incident.

My prayers are with you and the family members of Elda Mole. You can find now
where is little Elda Mole and what she is doing there.

Elda Mole saying:-

Mommy & Dady....
"Sorry I didn't get to stay.
To laugh and run and play.
To be there by your side.
I'm sorry that I had to die.

God sent me down to be with you,
to make your loving heart anew.
To help you look up and see
Both God and little me.

Mommy, I wish I could stay.
Just like I heard you pray.
But, all the angels did cry
when they told little me goodbye.

God didn't take me cause He's mad.
He didn't send me to make you sad.
But to give us both a chance to be
a love so precious .. don't you see?

Up here no trouble do I see
and the pretty angels sing to me.
The streets of gold is where I play
you'll come here too, mommy, someday.

Until the day you join me here,
I'll love you mommy, dear.
Each breeze you feel and see,
brings love and a kiss from me."

With Love & Prayer,
Lissy K. Paul
Kuwait.
Member ID # 2567





#8200 From: SOCM - Matrimonial
Date: Tue May 2, 2006 1:23 am
Subject: Matrimonial Digest / 0019-2006
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Matrimonial Digest / 0019-2006

Dear members

We do not take or assume any responsibility for the particulars
given by the advertiser. Concerned parties are encouraged to verify
the particulars. As per the request of some advertisers we withheld
the contact details and will forward any reply to the advertiser for
further personal contact.

Please read the successful stories of the matrimonial advertisement
in the SOCM forum at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOCM-FORUM/message/6505
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOCM-FORUM/message/4384

For the full list of the matrimonial advertisement, please visit:
http://www.socmnet.org/Matrimonial.htm

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SEEKING BRIDEGROOM
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Matrimonial; Code # 049/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a Jacobite girl MS (Dual certification
in Education), 25 years, 5.4", fair, slim, simple and beautiful.
She is the eldest of the two children of her parents and her brother
is in college. Born in India, she is raised in Middle-east and US.
She hails from a well respected Orthodox family settled in US. She
is a Sunday School Teacher and family is actively involved in
Church and public life. Father is in business and mother is a RN.
Interested parties may please contact at bharanimol@...
preferably with detailed bio-data and the picture of the boy

Matrimonial; Code # 048/04
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Orthodox parents from Ernakulam dist invite proposals for their
daughter, widow 39 yrs.5'3", Home Science diploma,fair, very Home
loving and God fearing, from Orthodox/Jacobite Widowers of 40 to 45
age group, well settled in life in India or abroad, with clean
habits, positive attitude towards life and home loving. Please
respond to anupal23@...

Matrimonial; Code # 045/04
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Proposals invited for a god fearing girl 28years 28/163 cm
preparing for MFDS and working in Chennai, from a middle class
Jacobite family from Perumbavoor. Her parents working in Kuwait.
Sister, BDS and doing internship & brother final year ECE student.

Proposals are invited from god fearing, well placed professionals
from India/abroad, with good moral values and clean habits.
Interested parties may please respond to sheelagk@... with
full details and recent full size photograph of the boy.

Matrimonial; Code # 044/04
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Orthodox parents living in US for 32 years invite marriage
proposals for their daughter,31 Years old,5'6'' fair, beautiful,
intelligent, very family oriented & God fearing. Born and brought
up in US with traditional Indian cultures & Christian values. She
is doing her Family Medicine Residency in New York. All her
siblings are in the
Medical profession. We are looking for professionals preferably
Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, CPAs from any Christian denomination.
Please respond with bio-data and a returnable photograph to
vjacob02@... or call 201-921-7815

Matrimonial; Code # 043/04
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Proposals invited for a god fearing girl 23years 5-4" BDS and doing
intern, from a nationally reputed dental college - completing June
2006 , slim, fair and beautiful, from a middle class orthodox
family. Her father (late) was an Advocate and Mother working in
Govt. service (Associate Professor). Only brother studying for
Degree Course.

Proposals are invited from god fearing, well placed professionals
from India/abroad, with good moral values and clean habits.
Interested parties may please respond to mathewabru@... /
cvjacob@... or davischerian@...

Matrimonial; Code # 041/04
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Jacobite Christian girl, 29 yrs old, 5'3", very fair, USA citizen,
registered nurse, divorced after 6 months of marriage. No issues.
Looking for qualified boys with clean habits. e-mail address
ph476@...

Matrimonial; Code # 040/04
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Proposals invited for a 25year old Jacobite girl presently working
as a software engineer in Bangalore. Parents retired teachers
presently settled in Perumbavoor.Only brother married and working
as an engineer in Citibank Singapore. If interested please contact
0484-2523269 or kurianyeldho@...

Matrimonial; Code # 039/04
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Suitable proposals invited from parents of boys between 26 & 30 for
a fair, thin, humble and God fearing girl, M.P.E., MPhill., (Rank
holder)

She is 172 Cms., DOB March 1981 & She is working in a Kuwait
Private School. Proposed girl is very soft spoken, modest and is a
Sunday School Teacher. Father a Jacobite Priest, Mother a
Housewife, Only younger sister studying for B.Sc., Nursing.

Prefer boys to be qualified, well behaved and with clean habits,
from middle class Jacobite families, working in India or abroad.
Preference is for boys working in Kuwait. Please send proposals with
maximum details in first e-mail to raajuissac@...

Matrimonial; Code # 038/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a God-fearing Jacobite girl 28years,
Height : 181cms, Complexsion : Fair, BTech in EEE Working with an
indian MNC in Bangalore.
Parish : Simhasana Church, Kottayam Father : Advocate, practising
at Kottayam
Mother : Retired Professor. Siblings : Two. The proposed girl has
two elder broters, both married and settled. our prefferance for
goom - should well qualified and employed, have good moral values.
If interested please respond with your son's details with recent
photo to roni.simon@...

Matrimonial; Code # 037/04
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Orthodox parents residing in USA invite proposals for their
daughter who is 31 Years old; green card holder from professionally
qualified boys from any Christian denomination who would like to
immigrate to USA. She is born & brought up in Kerala, very pretty,
goodlooking, 5'7" tall & slightly disabled. Interested parties
please respond with your details & a recent photograph to this
address vivaham06@...

Matrimonial; Code # 036/04
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Proposals invited for orthodox girl,24yrs,164 cms, MBBS. Father
working abroad, but legally separated since 8 yrs. Mother working
in Govt service. Only brother studying for BTech. Proposals invited
from doctors only. If interested contact at ashbluelark05@...

Matrimonial; Code # 035/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a God-fearing orthodox girl 26years,
Height : 153, Complexsion : Fair, M B A in HR & Marketing (dual
specialization) Languages Known: Malayalam, Hindi& English. Working
in a stock & share broking company.
Parish : St. Mary's Orthodox Church (Kottayam Cheriyapally) Father:
Mr. Bose Punnathra, Business man Mother : Ms. Susan Bose, Rtd.
Deputy DEMO. Siblings : Two

The proposed girl is the one among twins the elder one married and
working as a teacher in a CBSE school Kottayam and younger sister
is persuing engineering in Calicut government college. our
prefferance for goom - should well qualified and employed, have
good moral values. If interested please respond with your son's
details with recent photo to bosepunnathra@...

Matrimonial; Code # 034/04
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Jacobite parents, middle class family, invite proposals for their
daughter, B. Pharm, MBA, 26/158, medium complexion, God fearing,
employed in a multinational pharmaceutical company in Chennai, from
parents of professionally qualified or postgraduates well employed
Jacobite/Orthodox boys.

Interested may contact on Email: johnmercy@...

Matrimonial; Code # 027/04
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Jacobite parents invite remarriage proposals for their
daughter /white&fair/ 28/ 152cm /M.com, DCA. Recordical proof only
existed for the first marriage and the court declared the same as
null and void. Please contact by e-mail with details at at
simiraj@...

Matrimonial; Code # 026/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a God fearing Jacobite Girl, Working
in UK, as staff nurse she is in25, 5.4?, 59 KG, will be coming by
middle of April. Her father is a retired teacher; an active member
of church, Mother is housewife and one brother, working in Delhi.
The boy should be God fearing, fair, caring, having good manners and
preferably from the medical background (BPT or any other).

Interested parents may please contact at basilpaul@...;
basilpaulk@... , 9818730557 04842678110 (K. K Paulose)

Matrimonial; Code # 023/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a Jacobite Girl, 22 years,
164cm,slim, M.com final. Parents in Saudi Arabia. Family belongs to
Angamally Diocese. Interested parents may contact
vvmvvm2003@...

Matrimonial; Code # 021/04
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Looking for a good boy computer professional/engineer from a middle
class family from Kerala preferably cochin orthodox/Jacobite aged
over 28 for our second daughter aged 27 MCA slim good looking.
interested persons may wish to contact at george_kunju@...
giving the details.

Matrimonial; Code # 020/04
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Jacobite Christian parents settled in Canada invite proposals for
their daughter, 28 years old, fair, slim 5;5''tall with very high
moral value. she is working after finishing masters in chemical
engineering. Proposals are invited from parents of well educated
boys from any Christian denomination in North America. Please e-mail
thomekurian@... giving the details with code # MP-020/04.

Matrimonial; Code # 019/04
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Jacobite parents seeking alliance for their beautiful daughter
31yrs, height 5.6'' postgraduate teacher in a public school. Born
and brought up outside Kerala. Parents settled in Angamally. The
boy should be God fearing educated & employed. Preferance will be
given to boys working outside Kerala. Please contact on
mcsm53@... giving the details.

Matrimonial; Code # 013/04
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Jacobite parents from Ernakulam Dt. invites proposals to her
daughter, who is presently working at Bangalore. Educated and
employed Jacobite youths working at Bangalore are preferred. The
proposals to be made from middle class family. The boy should be
God fearing. The girl is 25 yrs of old, 5.3". She had Completed
B.Sc. Maths and have GNIIT, (3 yr computer diploma) course
Certificate) please respond to eldhoshimmy@...

Matrimonial; Code # 011/04
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Suitable alliance invited from Jacobite parents for a Jacobite girl
24 years/161 cm), fair, smart and God-fearing, B-tech with MBA,
working in a leading firm in Techno-Park, Trivandrum. Please
respond to thomasvt@...

Matrimonial; Code # 003/04
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Jacobite parents from Kottayam invite proposals for their daughter,
divorcee with one girl child,)39 yrs.5'3", Home Science Graduate,
medium complexion, very Home loving and God fearing, from JACOBITE
Widowers/ Divorcees of 40 to 45 age group, well settled in life in
India or abroad, with clean habits, positive attitude towards life
and home loving. Please respond to moderator_socm@... with
code # MP-003/04


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SEEKING BRIDE
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Matrimonial; Code # 047/04
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Jacobite parents hailing from Kandanadu diocese and living in New
York City invite marriage proposals for their son, 26 Years, 194 cm,
fair, handsome and God fearing with clean habits. He has his Masters
in Electrical Engineering and works as an Electrical Engineer in New
York City. He got only one younger sister who is also working.

We are looking for a God-fearing, caring, family oriented, fair,
good-looking girl from a good Jacobite family with high moral and
ethical values with BSc/MSc Nursing or Physiotherapy. Interested
parties may please contact jose.gracevilla@... with a recent
photo of the girl.


Matrimonial; Code # 046/04
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NRI Syrian Orthodox parents from a reputed family invite proposal
for a Smart, Very Loving & Caring Son, 27, 179cm, athletic,
healthy, broad-minded, medium complexion, Hotel Management Degree,
Immigrated to Canada and decently employed.

Need a Very Loving and Fair girl of any denominations, above 165
cm, has interest in Nature & Pets and has Professional
Qualifications - preferably Medical/Teaching field- and caliber to
adjust to life in Canada. Tel: 0481-2582025//2518569/ 2517056/+9663-
5331674 pulickaparamb@... / pulickaparamb@...

Matrimonial; Code # 042/04
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Jacobite Christian boy 29 yrs, MCA ( Master of Computer
Application) ,very spiritual with clean habits and employed in
Kuwait as Product Manager for Microsoft products.Fair,170cm.Looking
for qualified, God fearing girls from middle class families. Parents
in Qatar with one sister married and settled in Bangalore. Please
respond if interested with full details and recent photographs to
jacobp@... or parayiljacob@... or contact on +974
4326859 or +974 5412443

Matrimonial; Code # 030/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a God-fearing Jacobite boy from
Chelad Kothamangalam], working with a leading Fashion brand,
managing Retail Operations in Mumbai. Age:28y Complexion: Wheatish
Height:180cms or 5ft 11inches Weight:73kgs Family: Moderate. His
father is working as a Dy. Manager with a MNC in Cochin. Mother, a
house-wife. Younger brother pursuing his graduation from Mor
Athanasius College, Kothamangalam. Interested parents may contact
paul.live@...

Matrimonial; Code # 029/04
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Proposals invited for a well settled Jacobite boy belonging to an
ancient family. The proposed boy is a Mechanical Engineer working
in a leading Multinational trading company. The boy is
27years,175cms, fair, God- fearing and with clean habits.

We are looking for a fair, good looking, homely God-fearing girl
from a good Jacobite family. If interested please contact : email :
tioman_78@...

Matrimonial; Code # 024/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a God fearing Jacobite boy, B.Sc
Computer Science, 29,5'8",63 kg, fair, working in Riyadh, Saudi
Arabia. The boy hails from a well-known family at Kundara, Kollam.
His father is a retired Supt. in Court, mother Rtd. State
Coordinator in Rural Dept. One elder brother doing Business and one
elder sister got married. Interested parents may contact
joby007in@... or Thomas Abraham, +966 1 4885339 or
+9660507432962

Matrimonial; Code # 017/04
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Suitable alliance is invited for a Jacobite deacon, age 31, 5ft
5inch B.A.,B.Ed.,B.D., M.Th., at present doing research work in
university of Toronto, Canada) teaching in the seminary. family
background: father, senior Corepiscopa in the church. mother house
wife. one elder sister, lecturer, got married and one younger
brother advocate. for more information, mail to me
kjpunnachalil@...

Matrimonial; Code # 016/04
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Suitable alliance invited for a God fearing Jacobite boy, B.E.
(Electrical & Electronics), 26, presently employed in Bangalore as
Electrical Engineer in a Consultancy firm. The boy hails from a well-
Known family at Kumarakom, Kottayam.

His father is a retired KSEB Sub Engineer, mother is Govt. UP
school headmistress and got one younger sister, who is married. The
girl should be God fearing, caring, having good manners and
preferably with B.Sc Nursing, employed (In India or abroad).
Interested parties may please contact the boy's uncle at
monthiruvanchoor@...

Matrimonial; Code # 014/04
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Retired PWD Contractor's family (Jacobite, Middle Class, Ernakulam
District) invites suitable proposal from middle class Jacobite
parents of God fearing girls under 28, 5'1', 48 Kg, employed or
qualified to be employed (prefer teachers or lecturers) in or
around Ernakulam Dist. She has to look after home affairs as the
brother and sister of the boy to be working overseas.

Their son (32, 5'3" 55 Kg) is a Vet. surgeon in Kerala Government
Service, posted within few kilometers from home, fair, clean
habits, soft spoken, thin built and God fearing. His has an elder
brother and younger sister, both married. Genuine enquiries may be
posted to varkod@...

Matrimonial; code # 012/04
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Proposals invited from parents of god fearing BSc nurses for a
handsome Jacobite boy, hailing from Kolencherry, 29/168 Graduate,
only son, working as Marketing Executive for a reputed Co. in
Kuwait, active in church matters and having family visa status. He
has two sisters and both of them are well settled. The girl will
have good job prospects in Kuwait. Interested please respond to:
yeljoseph@...

Matrimonial; Code # 006/04
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Jacobite Parents from Kottayam Diocese invites proposals for their
second son PDC /30/168 working in MRF Kottayam. Father doing
business in Kottayam. Mother Gazzetted officer in govt. One elder
brother married (Working) and younger sister studying. Graduates in
any discipline or diploma holders in Nursing (GNM) prefered. Please
respond to moderator_socm@... with code # MP-006/04






#8201 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Thu May 4, 2006 1:19 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"Therefore, let us love with our whole mind, dearly beloved brothers, the
marriage of Christ and the Church, which was prefigured then in one city and
is now celebrated over the whole earth. And let us be joined to the heavenly
joys of this [marriage] by an unwearied concentration on good works. Let us
take care to celebrate this [marriage] wearing the pure garment of love, for
we made our entrance invited by faith; and let us be very solicitous to wash
away the soiled spots from our actions and our thoughts before the day of
the final judgment, lest perhaps when the king who has made the marriage
feast for his son enters, if he sees that we do not have the wedding garment
of chastity, he may cast us out and send us into the outer darkness, with
out hands and feet tied with respect to the capability of doing good."

Venerable Bede.

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"Be a father to orphans, and be like a husband to their mother; you will
then be like a son of the Most High, and he will love you more than does
your mother." Sirach 4:10

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The Christians in Egypt. "Blessed is Egypt My people." Isaiah 19:25
Please remember me in your prayers.
Please pray for the peace of the world.

"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:7






#8202 From: SOCM - Prayer Cell
Date: Wed May 10, 2006 1:48 am
Subject: 13th 24-hour Global Chain Prayer Started
daniel_reji
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13th 24-hour Global Chain Prayer Started

By the grace of God, SOCM PRAYER CELL started its 13th 24- hour Global Chain
Prayer by Rev. Fr. Geevarghese Kattuchira, the Vicar of St. Mary's Jacobite
Church, Kuwait and followed by various dedicated priests and laity members from
all over the world, without barriers of denominations.

We request all members of this forum to pray at least 5 minutes for the support
of our Prayer Warriors to complete the Chain Prayer without any interruption.

13th Global Chain Prayer will ends on Wednesday, 10th May 2006 at 1800 hrs GMT.

The event is scheduled for twice in a month and the next 24-hour chain
prayer will be held on 23rd May 2006. Any one who would like to join the group
and are interested to pray for others may please contact the
moderators of SOCM Prayer Cell at:-http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socmprayercell

PRAISE THE LORD
SOCM PRAYER CELL






#8203 From: Ani Skariya
Date: Mon May 8, 2006 2:23 am
Subject: Does God Know Everything about the Future?
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Does God Know Everything about the Future? That is the
question that I will answer throughout this paper. And I will supply
you with scripture references and also answers that some of the top
philosophers have. I will argue that God does know everything about
the future. First I will share the Open Theism of Gregory A. Boyd,
then I will share the difference between Molinism (Lane Craig) and
Classical Theism (Helm) and to rap up everything I will share my
argument defending the Classical Theism of God knowing everything
about the future.
Gregory A. Boyd is one of the authors of the book, Divine
Foreknowledge: Four views. I really liked his thoughts because it
was kind of different to what I was taught and also brought up to
believe. First Boyd says that, "Since God knows all of reality
perfectly, this view holds that He knows the possible aspects as
possible and knows the settled aspects as settled." I think what he
is trying to say here is that God knows what He did already in the
past and all the things that are possible in the future. " The
sovereign Creator settles whatever He wants to settle about the
future, and hence he perfectly foreknows the future as settled to
this extent." This is saying that since God created this world and
is the creator of us He would have to know what is in store for all
of us. This also means that He could end this world at any moment
and also could change this world if He wanted to. Boyd also says, "
God has always been as certain about the future as He is about the
past." That is kind of what was said earlier. It is saying that God
had a plan to create this world, and that He would work through
everything He had created and also bring it to an end. Boyd also
goes on to say that, " All Christians agree that God is omniscient
and therefore knows all of reality perfectly." What Boyd is trying
to state here is that God does know reality, which is right now, but
God does not know the future. So reality is what is going on now and
in the past and the future is what is tomorrow or the day after.
That is couple of the insights that Boyd had about this subject. I
agreed with a lot of the things that Boyd had to say. In this book
Boyd took the defense that the Bible certainly celebrates God's
Foreknowledge and control of the future.
But when you look at Molinism and Classical Theism it is the
opposite to what Boyd had to say. Molinism is the doctrines of the
Molinists, somewhat resembling the tenets of the Arminians. In
Craig's book, The Only Wise God, Craig divides Gods Knowledge into
three distinct logical moments. The first moment of God's knowledge
is Natural Knowledge. This is when God knows what is necessary and
what is possible. This means that God knows everything that is
logically possible. The second moment of God's knowledge is called
middle knowledge. Middle knowledge is, "God's knowledge of what
every possible free creature would do under any possible set of
circumstances." This is stating that God knows everything that a
free creature (Humans) would do in a situation that God puts them
in. The third moment of God's knowledge is called free knowledge.
This is God's knowledge of the actual world, which He has created.
This includes His foreknowledge of everything that will happen. This
means that since God created the world, He knows everything that
will happen to it and everyone in it. In the book, Eternal God : A
Study of God without Time, Paul Helm states that God does know
everything about the future. In this selection Helm uses the
Biblical backgrounds to shape this debate of weather or not God
knows everything about the future.
These are the biblical background of the question, Does God
Know The Future? Boyd says that, " The Bible unequivocally
celebrates God's foreknowledge and control of the future." When I
was reading this book I read Is 46:9-11, " For I am God, and There
is no other; I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the
end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, I
have spoken, and I will bring it to pass, I have planned, and I will
do it." This passage says a lot because God is the creator and that
He would do anything that He wants to do. In this passage God also
says that what ever I say will go. Then in Is 48: 3-5 it says, " The
former things I declared long ago, they went out from my mouth and I
made them known; then suddenly I did them and they came to pass…."
This was important because God said that what ever comes from My
mouth will happen. So this is when He was creating the world and
everything that lived in it. When I was reading this book and also
the Bible I came across couple of events that lead me to believe
that God really did know about the future. For instance God
predicted that the Israelites would be in captivity in Egypt for
four hundred years. This could be found in Genesis 15:13-15. Boyd
also stated that God also once in a while warned everyone
about "future destructions" of cities and nations. But in Kings 13:1-
2 and also Is 45:1 " God named several people before they were born
and foretold some of their accomplishments." If God didn't know the
future then how come before some people before they were born, God
knew what they would do? There were some other aspects that dealt
with His son Jesus. For example " God foreknew that Christ would be
crucified by wicked people." That is found in Acts 2:23, 4:27-28).
God also knew that Christ would be pierced in His side, and that He
would be served vinegar (Jn.19: 28-29.) The amazing part of this is
that God's Son Jesus Christ knew that Judas would betray Him and
that Peter would Deny Him three times. This is found in (Mt 26:34;
Jn. 6:64, 70-71; 13:18-19). This was very important because The Son
of God knew what His future was going to be like and that who would
follow Him and also Betray Him.
Boyd says that, " The scriptural motif reassures believers
that however out of control the world may seem, Our Lord is steering
history toward his desired end." In this reading I came to realize
that when God was creating everything He had some stuff set in stone
and the other things He had put in at a later time. In Boyd's
word, " God settled most things in the begging." When we look at
the betrayal of Judas, Scripture says that Jesus knew from the start
that Judas was going to betray Him. This is found in John 6:64. But
in this book it says that, " Jesus knew who would betray Him early
on, either from the moment this person resolved it in his heart to
betray Him or from the time when Jesus chose him to be a disciple."
This is found in Phil. 4:15. This means that Jesus knew either when
Judas had the heart to go and betray Him or when Jesus appointed him
as one of the apostles. But Boyd said that, " Jesus tells us that
Judas fulfilled Scripture, and that Judas could have and should have
chosen a different path for his life than the one he chose." This is
true because the person that betrayed Jesus Christ was a person that
Jesus chooses to be one of His followers. So if Judas did take
another path then God would have chosen someone to take his place in
history. Now I want to turn to Peter. Jesus Christ knew in the
Beginning that Peter would deny Him three times before morning. This
is found in Mt. 26:34. This is important because Jesus didn't know
fully; God spoke to Him and revealed an aspect of Peter's life. This
was a very big event in the Bible because Peter became to be the
pillar of the Church.
"If we did not have any scriptural evidence of the future's
being open at least in part, then we could perhaps justifiably argue
that the above evidence that suggests that some of the future is
settles, supports the conclusion that the future is exhaustively
settled. So my question was, Does God Know Everything About the
Future? And my answer is YES. To answer this question in this paper
I used couple scripture references and also answers that some of the
top philosophers have had. I believe in my heart that God Does Know
Everything About The Future. In this thesis I shared my own opinion,
and also my own thought to try to best answer this very hard
question. I also shared the opinions of Gregory A. Boyd one of the
authors of Divine Foreknowledge: Four Views , and finally I ended
this paper with couple of Bible Verses that let us know that God
really does Know the Future. So to answer the question again, Yes
God does know everything about the future. We are all children of
God.
I state that the events that took place on September 11,
2001 was a plan from God. I argue that God knows everything about
the future, because God is the one that created this world and He is
the one that made all of us that live in it. God knows everything we
are thinking and everything we do, because He is always one step
ahead of us. Which means that He is responsible for our actions. God
is the higher being of this world, and if there weren't a higher
being, then this world would have not occurred. Before things even
happened in the life of Jesus Christ, God knew what was going to
happen because he spoke to Jesus Christ. So going back to the point
that God is the Highest being, He would have to know what the future
would entail for Him. God knows that we are His work and that we
would be rewarded for everything we do that glorifies His name. God
knows about everything good and bad that happens to all of us. So
since God created us, He knows what is in our future and could give
us hints about it. God is the Head of our lives and also this world,
and He is the one that would give us future warnings about what His
plans are for His people. So I agree with Lane Craig and Paul Helm
when they state that God is Omniscient and knows about the future.

May God Bless You


Ani Skariya
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#8204 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Mon May 8, 2006 12:35 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"The will of a man is a brass wall between him and God and a stone of
stumbling. When a man renounces it, he is also saying to himself,`By my God,
I can leap over the wall' (Ps. 18:29). If a man's will is in line with what
is right, then he can really labour.'`"

Abba Poemen of Skete.
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"He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully
will also reap bountifully." 2 Corinthians 9:6
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Please pray for the peace of the world.
"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:7







#8205 From: Malankara Voice
Date: Tue May 9, 2006 10:41 am
Subject: Rev. Fr. Alexander Corepiscopa passes away
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1. Rev. Fr. Alexander Corepiscopa (Vice-President of Evangelical Association of
the East) passes away.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/20060509AlexandCorepis.htm

2. Consecration of the St. Yeldho Mor Baselios Church at Kidangoor in Angamali
diocese on 12th and 13th of May.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/20060508KidangoorCh.htm


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#8206 From: CJ Varughese
Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:17 am
Subject: Re: Dissension - the beginning of the fall
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Dear All,

Eden, the paradise created for the first human was so beautiful. The Creator
himself was happy with the company of His creation, the Adam and Eve. Everyday
afternoon He came down to Eden, walk with them, talk with them. Both Adam and
Eve enjoyed it. They were happy. The fruits were so sweet, they did not have to
labour for their sustenance. Years have passed. May be in thousands. They walked
only on the path shown by their Creator. The man went out daily looking for
variety of new fruits. Day in and day out, they enjoyed the sweet variety of
fruits. Sometimes Adam will have to walk little further to find something
different than what they had the previous day. Eve, was alone at their dwelling
place. She started thinking about the the tree, bearing good and beautiful
fruits very near to their dwelling, the fruit of which has been forbidden for
them even to touch in the TREE of LIFE. The thought of it, the attractive odour
and colour of it all fascinated her very much. She
became so sad in not being able to taste this fruit, the FRUIT of LIFE. She has
been tempted to prick one of it and wanted to taste it. But that tree was the
only tallest one, where its fruit bearing branches are so high, and hence she
could not get one. Adam, her companion, the mentor noticed her silence. He
thought that may be she is not happy with the fruits he used to bring every.
Next day he went further ahead of his usual route, and found something new, very
attractive and so tasty. He came back very late that day, and gave her that he
could fetch on that day, hoping she will be happy to have the new variety of
fruits. But he could not be able to see any change in her. Instead she gave him
a fruit. Its smell itself was so powerful to attract one's attention, and
temptation to ate it immediately. He started eating it, and the taste made him
so mad, never ever had such a tasty fruit. He asked his wife 'where did you get
this?' its so tasty. After lot of persuasion and
force, hesitantly Eve told him that the fruit is from the forbidden one - the
TREE of LIFE. A lightning passed over Adam. He remembered about the ORDER of his
CREATOR, the forbiddenness of it. He tried to prevent from swallowing it by
holding tightly around his neck. He succeeded partially, but partly the fruit
found its destination. A loud cry from his frightened Eve. He ran away from
their dwelling. Eve also followed him. The peaceful life of Adam and Eve had
been disturbed. They wanted to move away from their dwelling place, before their
CREATOR come calling their name. But the fear, the agony over sinning by
disobeying the commandment. Finally they heard the thunderous sound of calling
their names as usual, but first time they felt it fearsome, and did not want to
face Him. HE came very near to them. They realized they are naked. The feeling
of shame occured first time in their life. They looked around them to cover
their nakedness. Whatever leaves they could catch,
they wrap around, and kneeling with covered face with their palms, they sought
mercy. But All Knowing, THE CREATOR was not pardoned them, but allowed them to
leave the Eden, and live with their own labour. The agony in human history
started from that point onwards. It still continues. Still continues. But the
Creator has been given a huge price for none of HIS fault, to sacrifice HIS only
SON to save the human kind. The only salvation for the sinful humans as HIS
sacrifice in the Cross about 20 centuries ago.

Will this remind us something else to our mind. The peaceful life of the
faithfuls in Malankara has been disturbed with one of our forefather. For about
two thousand years we lived in our faith peacefully. We prayed in unity, we
intercessed in all the Saints of Syrian Church, the Apostles. But, the
attractive taste of power tempted him to disobey his Spiritual Father. He was
not satisfied with all his temporal power, but wanted to become like the only
Head of the Church. The peace has been disintegrated, the love has been lost,
the craving for money has been increased. To prove or satisfy his craving still
the discendents in Malankara fight each other, accuse each other. A new theory
of faith has been forced upon the faithful, few adopted it, those who hesitated
to it has been stamped as heretics. The Holy Fathers of our Church has been
unnecessarily dragged into this unwarranted, manmade hell of activities. Even
The Holy Church is being stamped as imperialistic by lots
among the discendant of that power hungry man of yester years. Even we dare of
question the sanctity of the actions of the Apostles. Those very actions which
we hail till yesterday has been pointed today as unacceptable. Who is
responsible for all these. One one man, he who has been destined to destroy the
sanctity of the Holy Church. As our LORD said: "It was good that if he has has
not been born". Who will redeem us from this curse. Where do we get solace? Who
will send us our salvation? When will we get back the peace, which has been lost
by the sinning of a man from among us?

Let us all pray for mercy upon us, and getting back the peace. The
intercession of our Patron Saint of our Nation may help us to achieve it.

With prayers,
CJ Varughese
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#8207 From: SOCM News Bureau
Date: Thu May 11, 2006 10:10 am
Subject: IOC Priest moves court against Catholicos
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Priest moves court against Catholicos
[New Indian Express dt. Thursday May 11 2006 11:17 IST ]

KOTTAYAM: Widening the schism within the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, a
priest belonging to the Church, has moved a plaint against Catholicos Baselios
Marthoma Didymos I before the District Court, Ernakulam, seeking to convene the
Malankara Association and to remove the latter from the office of
Catholicos-cum-Malankara Metropolitan, he being a ‘usurper’ to these high
offices.

Notices has been issued by the court to Marthoma Didymos I and other defendants.

Fr P.C.Geevarghese, 64, who is serving in one of the parishes of the Orthodox
Church in the US and the general secretary of the Thumpamon-based Marthoma
Mathews Pradhaman Vaideeka Sabha Samrakshana Sangham, along with A.P.Kuriakose
of Kizhakkambalam and V.G.Kuriakose of Kanjiramattom, has filed the complaint,
adding to a slew of similar cases filed by the church members themselves on the
same issue in the courts of Kottayam and Ernakulam.

While the Catholicos is the first defendant in the case, episcopal synod
secretary Thomas Mar Athanasios and Church secretary Dr Alexander Karakkal are
the second and third defendants respectively. Four others, including two
diocesan bishops, are also defendants in the case.

According to the plaintiffs, the ‘self-styled’ Catholicos Baselios Marthoma
Didymos I has not been elected to the offices of either Malankara Metropolitan
or Catholicos by the present Malankara Association as per clause 114 and clause
97 respectively of the Malankara Church Constitution of 1934. The election to
the above offices has to be done by the Malankara Association on the date when
the vacancy arises.

The late Baselios Marthoma Mathews II, the immediate predecessor in office, was
the Catholicos-cum-Malankara Metropolitan duly elected by the Malankara
Association and approved by the Supreme Court. The plaint alleges that Marthoma
Mathews II was illegally removed from the throne of Catholicos and Malankara
Metropolitan on October 29, 2005, before his death. Marthoma Mathews II died on
January 26, 2006.

It is pointed out that the present Catholicos had assumed charge along with the
post of Malankara Metropolitan on October 29, 2005, itself. Thereafter, the
synod secretary and bishops Mathews Mar Sevarios and Philipose Mar Yousebios,
the second, sixth and seventh respondents in the case, colluded and with the
assistance of a few other members of the bishop’s synod installed him as
Catholicos, without going in for the mandatory sanction of the Malankara
Association.

The plaintiffs say that the Malankara Church has properties worth crores of
rupees and the majority are common trust properties, such as MOC Colleges under
the corporate management and old seminary, coming within the direct
administration of the Malankara Metropolitan.

The members of the Church are in the dark as to what happened to the assets and
money in the name of the deceased Catholicos and it is suspected that it is
totally mismanaged now, the plaintiffs feared.

http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20060511005624&Page=R&Title=Keral\
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#8208 From: Malankara Voice
Date: Wed May 10, 2006 3:52 pm
Subject: Youth Camp; Priest of MOC filed case against their head
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1. Annual camp of the Youth Association to be held at Manjinikkara Dayro from
26th-28th of May.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/20060510YouthCamp.htm

2. Malankara Orthodox faction members inclusive of a priest, filed a case in
Ernakulam district court asking to prevent their Catholicos Didymos from acting
as Malankara Metropolitan.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/20060510EkmCrt.htm

3. Doubts being raised over the Congress Ministry's motive behind the reopening
of Kadamattom & Kolencherry churches.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/20060510kadKolCh.htm

4. Roman Catholic Church of Kerala warns its faithful against fake spiritual
movements active in the community.
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/20060510RomCath.htm


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#8209 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Tue May 9, 2006 2:51 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"In order that man's free will which God gave to man from the beginning
might more clearly be manifested and confirmed, a great providence is at
work in this matter, and the dissolution of the bodies takes place so that
it is a question of man's will choosing to embrace what is good or evil. For
even the man confirmed in evil, or the one completely immersed in sin and
making himself a vessel of the devil by whom he is totally bound, caught up
in a certain necessity, still employs free will to become a chosen vessel
(Acts 9:15), a vessel of life. Similarly, on the other hand, those who are
intoxicated with God, even if they are full and dominated by the Holy
Spirit, still are not bound by any necessity, but they possess free will to
choose and do what pleases them in this life."

St. Macarius the Great.
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judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day." Psalms 7:10-11

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#8210 From: Jes Kuruvilla
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 5:30 am
Subject: Re: Does God Know Everything about the Future?
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Dear Ani,
Nice term-paper. Is this one open for discussion?

Jes Kuruvilla
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#8211 From: Rev. Fr. John Kunjukunju
Date: Thu May 11, 2006 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Rev. Fr. Alexander Corepiscopa passes away
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Dear Moderators / Reji,

Please convey my heartfelt condolences to the dearones of beloved corepiscopa,
especially Joy - his brother. Achen is my distant-cousin and I had the previlege
to meet him and enjoy his warm hospitality in 1999. He spent his whole life
self-lessly for the upliftment of the poor and the needy. He never aspired for
high positions nor he wanted publicity. He led a chaste life. He was downright
humble when it came to deal with others.

May his soul rest in peace. He will be remembered in my services.

"LKohanaik anih bainos keene bro daloho
bhoi malkutho dlo mesthario am kaadeese.
Maseeho deesai Moro dkumare vrabo dkohane
Haso lkohanok dsames rozaik lok thesbuhatho"

Johnachen
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#8212 From: T M Chacko
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 4:40 am
Subject: Assembly election & the new Jacobite members
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Election process to the 12th Kerala Assembly has been completed and the Left
Democratic Front has made an impressive win with a tally of 98 against 42 of
UDF. This was exactly an opposite result to that what happened in 2001 when UDF
won with 99 seats. In another way the history was repeating itself once again in
Kerala politics.

A major drift from the past is that this time the two major political fronts
were ready to field our Church members as candidates in areas where our people
live in large numbers. Atleast in 5 constituencies in Ernakulam district this
was the case. Earlier only the Congress party followed this practice and that
too partially. But this time LDF too proceeded in the same direction and the end
result proved that this helped them to catch victory in some places where no one
else other than a Congress candidate has ever won. The victory for LDF in these
places were inspite of the fact that a veteran Church member like P P
Thankachen, son of a late Corepiscopa, has been contesting under the banner of
UDF, that too in constituencies like Kunnathunad where more than 60 % of the
electorate are Jacobites (This is the only constituency other than Kothamangalam
where the Jacobites consists of more than half of its population. There are no
other constituencies in Kerala where a Christian sect other than the Catholics,
have absolute majority).

A major difference from the past is that this time the CPIM were ready to
provide seats to those who believe and openly declare that there is GOD. This is
indeed a major drift from its earlier stand and is certainly a welcome move.

The Jacobite Syrian Christians who won the latest assembly election are (they
were all LDF candidates)

1. Saju Paul (Perumbavoor) - CPIM,
2. M M Monai (Kunnathunad) - CPIM,
3. Chev. T U Kurivilla (Kothamangalam) - Kerala Congress Joseph
4. M J Jacob (Piravaom) - CPIM
(some reports in internet said that he is a supporter of Methran kakshi which is
not at all correct; it is only his brother who is active in the other group in a
parish belonging to the Jacobite Church.)
5. Babu Paul (Muvattupuzha) - CPI
6. Jose Baby (Mannarcad in Palaghat District) - CPIM
7. Raju Abraham (Ranni) - CPIM

Let 's hope that atleast some of these elected members will keep their promises
and take some initiative to reopen the churches in Kandand and Angamali dioceses
which has been closed due to problems created, by a minority with the help of
their 'God-fathers' from 'distant places'. Many Jacobite members who supported
the Left front has extended support this time in hope that LDF will not dance to
the tune of 'money power' as that was happening in the time of the previous
government.

Above all the candidates have the responsibility to look after their respective
constituencies and bring benefits to the common man irrespective of caste and
creed. Those who move around with the people will certainly be looked after by
them. The victory of Saju Paul from Perumbavoor is a clear example. My best
wishes to all of them.

T M Chacko,
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#8213 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Wed May 10, 2006 1:01 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"They who rightly understand the words of the Law, but do not utter them
with humility, are to be warned that in dealing with divine utterances, they
should, before setting them before others, first look to themselves lest, in
following up the deeds of others, they desert themselves, and though
thinking aright about all the rest contained in Sacred Scriptures, they
disregard that one thing, namely, what Scripture delcares against the
proud."

St. Gregory the Great.
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Please remember me in your prayers.
Please pray for the peace of the world.
"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:7






#8214 From: Saju Paulose
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Does God Know Everything about the Future?
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Dear Jes,
You are absolutely right. I don't understand why a christian should
spend time on this subject. After all, is there anything to debate
or discuss in it?

GOD said " I am ALPHA and OMEGA."

So the answer to the subject question mentioned above is in this.
Also it has the answers for millions of foolish questions like the
subject question. A christian of ordinary prudence will not waste
time on this subject.

Your brother in Christ,

Saju Paulose
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#8215 From: Ness
Date: Sat May 13, 2006 8:29 am
Subject: THANK YOU ALL!
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Dear Bros and Sistas,.

Just a quick note to say thankyou for all your loving prayers over
recent weeks. We burried my father last Monday and due to all your
prayers he almost got what he wanted even though his widow tried to turn
it into a falasy! So thankyou LORD and thank you to those who have kept
us in your prayers...

I am well and almost back to normal even thought every now and then I
will have a little cry because I will remember something or a thought
will pop into my head you know that sort of thing.....

I am almost back at school but had a set back due to ill health but like
I said before I am on the mend and almost back to my usually happy self
along with the rest of my family....

Please could you all keep Jelena in your prayers as she is in serious
need of prayer, so are her parents she is a new girl who has moved into
my home and has also been my rock over the past few weeks PTL who
provides for our needs. She is a christian and has quite a few bad
habbits that need breaking aspecially the control of cigerrettes and
profanity!!! Outside of all this she is a lovely girl just in need of
GODS intervention and his GUIDING HAND!!!! Her parents have come up to
sort out her recent mess and are so worried about their only child who
is so far from home and on a path of distruction that they seem to look
upon me as some kind of saving force they have been praying for.... I
just hope I am up for this GOD GIVEN task.....

Thank You
Ness
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#8216 From: Chandy Samuel
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 6:36 pm
Subject: Christian majority areas abandoned UDF - Indian Expre
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Christian majority areas abandoned UDF
(New India Express, Friday May 12 2006)

KOCHI: Though nothing equals the pro-LDF sentiments in the Muslim League
bastions which saw the fall of P K Kunhalikutty, K Muraleedharan, E T Mohammed
Basheer, M K Muneer and Cherkalam Abdullah the popular wave in favour of the LDF
has been reflected in the voting pattern in Christian majority areas also.

In the Assembly segments where the Church factor plays a decisive role which
have invariably been the traditional Congress/Kerala Congress strongholds, the
results show an unprecedented shift towards the LDF.

LDF candidate P Krishnaprasad got elected from Sulthan Bathery with the
largest-ever margin in the hill district of Wayanad.

In Angamaly, the Congress candidate and three-time MLA P J Joy suffered an upset
defeat.

LDF’s Alphonse Kannanthanam came out in flying colours from the rubber land of
Kanjirapally after a fierce three-cornered contest.

In Palluruthy, a Latin Catholic stronghold, CPM’s Dinesh Mani defeated Fisheries
Minister Dominic Presentation. Further south, in Tiruvalla, another unusual LDF
win through Mathew T Thomas completes the picture.

The LDF swept Wayanad, Thrissur, Ernakulam and Idukki districts where there is a
strong Christian presence.

It was 3-0 in Wayanad, 11-3 in Thrissur, 10-4 in Ernakulam and 4-1 in Idukki.

In the Christian-dominated eastern side of Ernakulam district, the popular
choice was the LDF. In Perumbavoor, Kunnathunad, Kothamangalam, Piravom and
Muvattupuzha constituencies, the Jacobite community expressed its ire against
the Oommen Chandy-led UDF and the result was a clean sweep for the LDF.

It is to be noted that in Irikkur in north Kerala, the settler Christian
stronghold of Congress, K C Joseph just managed to scrape through while in Pala,
K M Mani’s victory margin has been reduced.

If this does not point to the Christian communities’ new-found love for the LDF,
the voting trend at least confirms their growing disillusionment with the
Congress. This is despite the fact that the Congress put up two Christian chief
ministers in its five-year tenure.

The Jacobite Church’s open stand against the UDF Government, which they say, was
biased towards the rival Orthodox faction, the loyalty shift among the
tsunami-affected impoverished Latin Catholic community and the angst among the
debt-ridden farmers in Wayanad and Idukki; all scripted a UDF defeat as the
traditional support base withered away.

However, while the Muslim League’s seat share was reduced from 17 to a paltry 7,
the Kerala Congress splinter groups, which claim to represent Christian
communities, maintained more or less the same number of seats. Christian
resentment did not equal Muslim anger.

The LDF swept Wayanad, Thrissur, Ernakulam and Idukki districts where there is a
strong Christian presence.


(Indian Express)
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Posted by Chandy S Samuel
Kumarakom,
Kottayam

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#8217 From: Salem Voice Ministries
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 7:34 pm
Subject: A CHRISTIAN ARAB, WHO GREW UP IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY
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A CHRISTIAN ARAB, WHO GREW UP IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY

(Below are selected excerpts from Brigitte Gabriel's speech
delivered at the Intelligence Summit in Washington DC, Saturday
February 18, 2006).

We gather here today to share information and knowledge.
Intelligence is not merely cold hard data about numerical strength
or armament or disposition of military forces. The most important
element of intelligence has to be understanding the mindset and
intention of the enemy. The West has been wallowing in a state of
ignorance and denial for thirty years as Muslim extremist
perpetrated evil against innocent victims in the name of Allah.

I was ten years old when my home exploded around me, burying me
under the rubble and leaving me to drink my blood to survive, as the
perpetrators shouted "Allah Akbar!" My only crime was that I was a
Christian living in a Christian town. At 10 years old, I learned the
meaning of the word "infidel."

I had a crash course in survival. Not in the Girl Scouts, but in a
bomb shelter where I lived for seven years in pitch darkness,
freezing cold, drinking stale water and eating grass to live. At the
age of 13, I dressed in my burial clothes going to bed at night,
waiting to be slaughtered. By the age of 20, I had buried most of my
friends--killed by Muslims. We were not Americans living in New
York, or Britons in London We were Arab Christians living in Lebanon.

As a victim of Islamic terror, I was amazed when I saw Americans
waking up on September 12, 2001, and asking themselves "Why do they
hate us?" The psychoanalyst "experts" were coming up with all sort
of excuses as to what did we do to offend the Muslim World. But if
America and the West were paying attention to the Middle East they
would not have had to ask the question. Simply put, they hate us
because we are defined in their eyes by one simple word: "infidels."

Under the banner of Islam "la, ilaha illa allah, muhammad rasoulu
allah," (None is god except Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of
Allah) they murdered Jewish children in Israel, massacred Christians
in Lebanon, killed Copts in Egypt, Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in
India, and expelled almost 900,000 Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle
Eastern infidels paid the price then. Now infidels worldwide are
paying the price for indifference and shortsightedness.

Tolerating evil is a crime. Appeasing murderers doesn't buy
protection. It earns one disrespect and loathing in the enemy's
eyes. Yet apathy is the weapon by which the West is committing
suicide. Political correctness forms the shackles around our ankles,
by which Islamists are leading us to our demise.

America and the West are doomed to failure in this war unless they
stand up and identify the real enemy: Islam.

You hear about Wahabbi and Salafi Islam as the only extreme form of
Islam. All the other Muslims, supposedly, are wonderful moderates.
Closer to the truth are the pictures of the irrational eruption of
violence in reaction to the cartoons of Mohammed printed by a Danish
newspaper. From burning embassies, to calls to butcher those who
mock Islam, to warnings that the West be prepared for another
holocaust, those pictures have given us a glimpse into the real face
of the enemy. News pictures and video of these events represent a
canvas of hate decorated by different nationalities who share one
common ideology of hate, bigotry and intolerance derived from one
source: authentic Islam. An Islam that is awakening from centuries
of slumber to re-ignite its wrath against the infidel and dominate
the world. An Islam which has declared "Intifada" on the West.

America and the West can no longer afford to lay in their lazy state
of overweight ignorance. The consequences of this mental disease are
starting to attack the body, and if they don't take the necessary
steps now to control it, death will be knocking soon. If you want to
understand the nature of the enemy we face, visualize a tapestry of
snakes. They slither and they hiss, and they would eat each other
alive, but they will unite in a hideous mass to achieve their common
goal of imposing Islam on the world.

This is the ugly face of the enemy we are fighting. We are fighting
a powerful ideology that is capable of altering basic human
instincts. An ideology that can turn a mother into a launching pad
of death. A perfect example is a recently elected Hamas official in
the Palestinian Territories who raves in heavenly joy about sending
her three sons to death and offering the ones who are still alive
for the cause. It is an ideology that is capable of offering highly
educated individuals such as doctors and lawyers far more joy in
attaining death than any respect and stature, life in society is
ever capable of giving them.

The United States has been a prime target for radical Islamic hatred
and terror. Every Friday, mosques in the Middle East ring with
shrill prayers and monotonous chants calling death, destruction and
damnation down on America and its people. The radical Islamists
deeds have been as vile as their words. Since the Iran hostage
crisis, more than three thousand Americans have died in a terror
campaign almost unprecedented in its calculated cruelty along with
thousands of other citizens worldwide. Even the Nazis did not turn
their own children into human bombs, and then rejoice at their
deaths as well the deaths of their victims. This intentional,
indiscriminate and wholesale murder of innocent American citizens is
justified and glorified in the name of Islam.

America cannot effectively defend itself in this war unless and
until the American people understand the nature of the enemy that we
face. Even after 9/11 there are those who say that we must engage
our terrorist enemies, that we must address their grievances. Their
grievance is our freedom of religion. Their grievance is our freedom
of speech. Their grievance is our democratic process where the rule
of law comes from the voices of many not that of just one prophet.
It is the respect we instill in our children towards all religions.
It is the equality we grant each other as human beings sharing a
planet and striving to make the world a better place for all
humanity Their grievance is the kindness and respect a man shows a
woman, the justice we practice as equals under the law, and the
mercy we grant our enemy. Their grievance cannot be answered by an
apology for who or what we are.

Our mediocre attitude of not confronting Islamic forces of bigotry
and hatred wherever they raised their ugly head in the last 30
years, has empowered and strengthened our enemy to launch a full
scale attack on the very freedoms we cherish in their effort to
impose their values and way of life on our civilization.

If we don't wake up and challenge our Muslim community to take
action against the terrorists within it, if we don't believe in
ourselves as Americans and in the standards we should hold every
patriotic American to, we are going to pay a price for our delusion.
For the sake of our children and our country, we must wake up and
take action. In the face of a torrent of hateful invective and
terrorist murder, America's learning curve since the Iran hostage
crisis is so shallow that it is almost flat. The longer we lay
supine, the more difficult it will be to stand erect.
=================================
In the love of Messiah Yeshua

Rev. Paul Ciniraj, Director,
Salem Voice Ministries,
Devalokam (P.O), Kottayam,
Kerala-686038, India.






#8218 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Thu May 11, 2006 4:01 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"Saints are people who live on earth by holy, eternal Divine truths. That is
why the Lives of the Saints are actually applied dogmatics, for in them all
the holy eternal dogmatic truths are experienced in all their life-creating
and creative energies. In The Lifes of the Saints it is most evidently shown
that dogmas are not only ontological truths in themselves and for
themselves, but that each one of them is a wellspring of eternal life and a
source of holy spirituality."

Fr. Justin Popovich.
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"Our soul waits for the Lord; He is our help and our shield. For our heart
shall rejoice in Him, Because we have trusted in His holy name." Psalms
33:20-21
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The Christians in Egypt. "Blessed is Egypt My people." Isaiah 19:25
Please remember me in your prayers.
Please pray for the peace of the world.
"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:7





#8219 From: Paul Reji
Date: Sat May 13, 2006 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Does God Know Everything about the Future?
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Ani

"So I agree with Lane Craig and Paul Helm when they state that God
is Omniscient and knows about the future"

I fully agree. Because, H Bible has so many prophesies that are
fulfilled over a period of time and WILL fulfill in the future.

But again, as a faithful, my duty is to stay with the church, obey
the church and pray to LORD GOD and beg for forgivness.

But please look at some verses.

"The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his
heart was filled with pain" ( Genesis 6:6).

- During the creation itself, Did God know we will sin? If He
knew why he "was sorry for.."?


"When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil
ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction
he had threatened" ( Jonah 3:10 )

-- did God know if people of Nineve will repent? If He did why
He did threaten ?

"And now you will be silent and not able to speak until the day this
happens, because you did not believe my words, which will come true
at their proper time." (Luke 1:20)

Angel, Gabriel gives a punishment to Zechariah for distrusting
God's message.

- Did Angel punish Zechariah at that instant by himself ? Or did
God instructed this part too, knowing Zechariah will not believe ?

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All this verses are difficult to interpret. Because our knowledge
is very very small. So the language we use to express our thoughts
are also very limited. Because God's knowledge is expressed in
man's words, sometime these limitations come up. It is just because
i am not intelligent enough to understand it.

If I express 'calculus' to a 4th grade child, he may say i am out
of my mind.

It is not because what I express in not true, it is because that
child is not able to grasp what I say. Same limitations apply in
God's thoughts expressed in mans words.

So rather than questioning and trying for a logical explanation,
JUST BELIEVE , that way we are not letting Satan open a door to
our mind.

love
paul
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#8220 From: Jose Kurian Puliyeril
Date: Sat May 13, 2006 8:12 pm
Subject: Devotional thoughts for 3rd Sunday after New Sunday – 14th May 06.
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Dear and Respected Brethren,

(Last week I was supposed to write on 2nd Sunday after the New Sunday. But
by mistake I wrote on the third Sunday after New Sunday. I earnestly solicit
the forgiveness from the readers. A few fresh thoughts on the day are
forwarded herewith. Jose Kurian Puliyeril.)

In verse 21 we read the testimony of the two disciples who traveled to
Emmaus. They say, “We trusted that he should have redeemed Israel.” We must
search ourselves in our minds to see what is our trust about Lord Jesus.
Self-centered individuals will definitely forget the truth that Lord Jesus
is our Redeemer and Savior. We could easily confess our faith in our Savior
and Redeemer, when we would pray the Trisagion. When we would recite ‘Holy
art thou o God, Holy art thou Almighty, Holy art thou immortal, we could say
in mind that Lord you are my Redeemer. Kindly have mercy upon me. We find a
similar type of question as the one asked by the disciples, in Acts of the
Apostles 1:6, where they ask “Lord will thou at this time restore again the
kingdom to Israel.” From this question we can learn three things. 1) They
had staunch faith that Lord God initially installed the Kingdom of Israel.
2) Lord Jesus had the right to re-install the kingdom of Israel. 3) They had
thorough knowledge of the prophecies in Isaiah 1:26, Daniel 7:27 and Amos 9:
11.

In verse 27 we hear about our Lord’s explanations about the prophecies about
Him by Moses in Genesis 3:15, 22:18, 26:4, 49:10, Numbers 21:9 and
Deuteronomy 18: 15 and by many others in Psalms 16:9, Psalms 22, Psalms
132:11, Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, 40:10, 50:6, 53, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:14, Ezekiel
34:23, 37:25, Daniel 9:24, Micah 7:20, Malachi 3:1, and Malachi 4:2.

Let us meditate on verse 30. “And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with
them, he took bread, and blessed it, and broke and gave them.” It was the
celebration of the Holy Eucharist. See the next sentence of today’s reading.
“And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their
sight”. St. Luke is telling us that as soon as the disciples accepted the
Holy Eucharist, their eyes were opened. And they realized who he was. Since
long we are partaking the Holy Eucharist. Were we able to identify our Lord
so far? Are we still able to ascertain Lord Jesus as our Savior? Why our
eyes are still closed or why we cannot see our Lord Jesus as the disciples
saw Him? We all know the answers. We are sure about it. But still the pride
of our minds does not allow us to look for the remedy. During the Holy
Eucharist, we listen to the exhortation of the celebrant “Now our minds and
thoughts must be on the right hand side of God the Father, where our Lord
Jesus is seated” (…ee Samayathu nammude Bhodhangalum vichaarangalum
Pithaavaam daivathinte valathu Bhagathu Missiha Thampuran irikkunna
Mahonnathangalil aayirikkanam”, we all utter the prescribed reply to it. And
ignore what we spoke immediately. If we continue the same sort of spiritual
exercise, our eyes would remain closed forever. We cannot dream of seeing
our Lord if we do not change the way in which we handle the spiritual
matters.

In verse 33 we read that those two disciples rushed back to Jerusalem and
they went to the Apostles. If we were in their place, how we would have
responded. It is needless to say that we would have convened a press
conference and the secret would have been disclosed as our own achievement.
There were some other faithful also with the eleven Apostles. They said,
“The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon”. They were exchanging
the happy news with the less fortunate to witness the audience of the Lord.
As long as we celebrate Easter, it is our duty to convey the message of
Easter to the ones who seldom know it. We must tell such people that our
Lord is risen indeed.

In verse 47 we find our Lord authorizing the Apostles to convey the
exhortation for repentance and the message of the remission of sins among
all nations. God Almighty allowed our forefathers as well as us to remain as
a Church in India from the very first days of Christianity. Now let us make
sure ourselves, how much we were active in obeying our Lord’s instructions
and orders. Let our Church grant prime importance to obey our Lord and to
convey the news of remission of sins. May God bless us all and make use of
us for His wise plans and schemes.

Jose Kurian Puliyeril





#8221 From: V Thomas
Date: Sat May 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Alexanader achen
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Dear All,

Our dear Alexander corepiscopa achen is no more.
This is to express the sadness and Request all to pray for achen
Regards
V.M.Thomas
St. Mary's Jacobite church
Panambady
Membership no.906





#8222 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 3:03 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!

"Seest thou the cause of the Crucifixion, and the salvation which is by it?
Seest thou the relationship of the type to the reality? there the Jews
escaped death, but the temporal, here believers the eternal; there the
hanging serpent healed the bites of serpents, here the Crucified Jesus cured
the wounds inflicted by the spiritual dragon; there he who looked with his
bodily eyes was healed, here he who beholds with the eyes of his
understanding put off all his sins; there that which hung was brass
fashioned into the likeness of a serpent, here it was the Lord's Body,
builded by the Spirit; there a serpent bit and a serpent healed, here death
destroyed and a Death saved."

St. John Chrysostom.
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"And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is
love." 1 Corinthians 13:13
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#8223 From: Jacob
Date: Sat May 13, 2006 7:26 pm
Subject: dissension-the begining of the fall
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Dear Moderator,
The subject"Dissension- The beginning of the fall was crafted nicely but as the
auther claimed, the fruit that Adam and Eve ate was not from the Tree of life
but from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. In fact if they were to eat
from the tree of life before ever trying fhe the fruit of the other tree,there
would never have been condemnation to human. Also if they were to eat from the
tree of life after eating the fruit from the the tree of knowledge, there would
have never been any redemption from the condemnation and sin, which we enjoy now
through our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.This was the reason,(that Adam and Eve
never try the fruit from the tree of Life and be thrown to eternal condemnation)
why God closed the door to Aden and protected it by cherubians with flaming
sword.God bless

Jacob
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#8224 From: Malankara Voice
Date: Sun May 14, 2006 3:19 pm
Subject: Elections: Police atrocities turned the Jacobite sentiment against UDF
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Police atrocities against the Priests and faithful at Aluva turned the Jacobite
sentiment against UDF. (Mathrubhumi, Indian Express, Deepika)
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/news_section.htm


Malankara Voice links:
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11/news_section.htm
http://www.geocities.com/malankaravoice11






 
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