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it is unworthy to talk about the group ism in the church because it will not
reach any where as the approaches of church administration are parallel for each
sects. but spiritually they converge into one
point Moran Yeshu M'shiho. therefore all the church denominations are alive and
when we visit Manarcad, Parumala, Kothamangalam, Manajnikkara, Pampady and N
Paroor we never find any group ism or sector fighting. the real church assembles
there. can we not encourage this spiritual
gatherings. the faithful flow to these sacred places and none of the leaders
could stop them going there. all of them who ask for the intercession of the
saints get it abundantly with out group ism. therefore, the real members never
bother in the church group isms and
i was a sorrowful member who talked very much about the church dispute. today i
feel very comfortable because my words increased the church dispute. church is
the body of the incarnated Lord and it cannot be kept under four walls. if we
Love our neighbours as ourself we can find no fight in the church. teach the
faith and give less importance for the contradictory interpretations.
Pray for all and ask prayer from all. there is only one Church the rests are
may God bless us all
St.Peters& St Pauls jacobite syrian church pengamuck
St.greegoris Orthodox Syrian Church, Sharjah
Member ID # 0204
CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!
"What is the essence of Orthodoxy? It is the God-man Christ.
Everything that is Orthodox has a divine-human character: knowledge,
the senses, the will, the mind, morality, dogma, philosophy, and
life. Divine humanity is the only category in which all the
manifestations of Orthodoxy are received and fully operate. In all
creation, God occupies the first place, man the second. God leads
while man is led; God acts and man cooperates. God does not act
transcendentally. He is not the abstract God of deism, but rather
the God of the most immediate historic reality, the God of
revelation, the God who became man and lived within the categories
of our human existence while appearing everywhere as absolute
holiness, goodness, wisdom, justice and truth."
St. Justin Popovich.
"Blessed be the Lord God of Israel From everlasting to everlasting!
And let all the people say, Amen! Praise the Lord!." Psalms 106:48
Martyrdom of St. Milius, The Ascetic
Reply to your posting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOCM-FORUM/message/6208
How can we stay away from IO Church? People can do easily but our Priests have
the problem. Our beloved Mor Theethos Tirumeni kept an IOC priest out of Holy
Altar during the Consecration of a church here in USA, He faced lot of
questions from our Priests and lay persons. If we invite priests from other
denominations for weddings they come and attend with their white Rob. Most of
our priests want to go with their black Rob and they want to be in IO Church
I wish keep all IO Church priests out of our sacraments and won't let any of our
priest attend IO Church Sacraments.
Another important matter to consider How can we bring back our people, who
took memebrship in IO Churchs outside Kerala? Local Priests, home parish
priests, and Diocesan Bishops can contact these families and tell them to teach
their chidren" Satya Viswasam." ans stay with mother church.
Hundreds of our families attending and took membership in IO Churchs in USA due
to they married in IO Church families, or lack of backbone. Last"Catholica
Dhinam" one of the IO Church in Houston took an Oath including our people"stay
with catholica until last drop of their blood". They collect money from our
people to fight against our churches in India. Some one have to stop this
ST. Marys Cathedral Manarcad.
ST. Mary's Church Houston, Texas, USA.
Member ID # 0920
The Bible, from cover to cover, and over and over, condemns
rebellion. The Lord God considered rebellion so serious – He
compared rebellion to witchcraft. And may I remind you, witchcraft
was punishable by death!
"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, . . . "
1 Samuel 15:23
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
What do tattoo artists convey you?
Since body art is still not mainstream, having marks on your body
that you put there on purpose shows the world your rebellious and
unconventional nature". (Jean-Chris Miller, The Body Art Book : A
Complete, Illustrated Guide to Tattoos, Piercing, and Other Body
Modifications, p. 32)
"In this culture, a tattooed person is still looked at as a rebel,
as someone who has very visibly stepped out of the bounds of normal
society, . . ." (Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin
Decoration, p. 75)
TATTOO: THE MARK OF PERVERSION
To be fair to those who maintain that tattooing is linked to
homosexuality, investigations conducted in a New Zealand Borstal for
girls revealed that of the 60 per cent tattooed, 90 per cent
admitted to lesbian behavior during corrective treatment
"[associated with tattoos] Among these conditions Raspa cited:
impulsiveness, low self esteem, lack of self control, homosexual
orientation, sexual sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality,
lesbianism, antisocial personality, borderline personality disorder,
schizotypal personality disorder, mania and bipolar disorder, and
TATTOO: AND PERSONALITY DISORDERS
Evidence indicates that it is the mere presence of the tattoo, not
its artistic content, that correlates with certain diagnoses. Thus,
any tattoo can be viewed as a warning sign that should alert the
practicing physician to look for underlying psychiatric conditions.
"studies suggests that people with personality disorders frequently
have multiple small tattoos.
"the presence of tattooing was often indicative of a deprived and
troubled background,. . ."
According to the study, today's tattooed young people:
**Are nearly four times more likely to engage in sexual intercourse
**Over two times more likely to experience alcohol related problems
**Nearly two times more likely to use illegal drugs
**Over two times more likely to express violent behavior
**Over two times more likely to drop out of high school
IT is not healthy;
Many serious illness can come to you through tattoo.
"It's strongly advised for people who have tattoos to get a
Hepatitis check. And soon. . . Hepatitis can lie unnoticed for many
years while doing serious damage. The sooner hepatitis is detected
the better the chances for survival. If you have a tattoo – get
More read here
Tattoo and H Bible
We discussed this before. but more detail is here
Look to Lord for Light. Do not go with Death or Devil.
Your body is the temple of God. respect it.
Let us remember what apostle Paul said
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God
your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-23
say NO to devil and his ways. Say Yes to Lord Jesus Christ.
Member ID # 0901
My thanks to this website for this article
Hi Mr Thomas George
I didnt c any replay regarding your doubt
with my littile knowledge i think it wouldnt be accpted for non X'n as all sins
are washed by the Holy Blood of our savior through baptism we accept this in
x'nity faith is the foundation of salvation,its sounds stange and unpractcle for
some one to recive any sacraments with out accepting this basic truth.
i belive in early years of church non baptised people werent allowed to
participate in full Holly mass.
not only that when we confess the prayer confession says very clearly about out
faith with out accepting that face how cna someone confess,even though
confession may give a feeling of coulcling the actual purpuse is not counciling
its the healing of our sins so with out that faith there is no point of
I am not sure i explained this very well but i hope some experts will try to
explain it clearly
Member ID 1019
- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Mann George wrote:
> In our Church H. Baptism and H. Chrismation are considered as the
entry to Holy Life in Christ and ofcourse to Church too. H.
Eucharist is counted as the sacrament which fulfils all the other
sacraments. So it called as Queen of Sacrament. We are also blessed
with having H. Confession, H. Matrimony, H. Orders and Anointing of
the Sick. Sacraments like H. Orders are not considered as mandatory
to all in our Church. Obviously H. Chrismation, H. Eucharist, H.
Matrimony, H. Orders are shared with those who are purified and
bonded with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection through H.
> My doubt is, whether Holy Confession is restricted to community of
> What about the gentiles which St Paul mentions in Romans 2: 14
(For when the Gentiles, which have not the law?.)?
> Can they repent or confess their sins to God in the presence of a
priest ? Can they receive penance and forgiveness of sins?
> Request you to give valuable blogs in our Church views.
> In HIS Love,
> Thomas Mann George,
> Marth Mariam Church Kandanad,
> St Mary's Jacobite Church Bangalore,
> Member ID # 0972.
The Saint-Jacques Syriac Orthodox Youth Organisation is proud to host the 22nd
Annual Youth Convention From June 30th to July 3rd 2005 in Montreal, Quebec,
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Theme: Where Are We Going?
Does anyone really have an answer to this simple yet complex question? As
individuals in a very young 21st century, we have so far encountered an array of
Unfortunately, all we seem to excel in is more war, more terror, more world
hunger and more of a world without innocence. We still move on though but
wondering what is next. As young Adults, we graduate high school where some of
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these journeys, consciously or not, it seems that we are missing something
important. That something is our FAITH.
We are always searching, wondering, experimenting, which are very natural and
healthy behaviours, but what if whatever we are looking for or where our paths
lie are out of ours hands? We tend to believe that we should have all the
answers and produce our own destinies, and as Christians, we have choices and we
have the power to make things happen, but in truth, HE is the only one that
determines our true journeys.
As humans, it is already difficult for us to trust one another because it takes
less effort to be sceptical, but yet as Christians, our trust and faith need
only to be directed towards only one side and that is in the Almighty. Living in
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can ease some of our worries, and it can help
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“Our eternal destination is much more important than that of our life here on
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!
"Man is the only being in the entire world who is extended from
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human sense, and human disposition vibrates in a much greater width
than the angels and Satan. It is greater than the angels because man
can descend to the Devil, but, at the same time, is greater than the
Devil because man can also be elevated unto God. Man, therefore, is
an eternal being, whether he wants to be or not. When does the
immortality of man begin? It begins from the moment of conception
within the womb of his mother. And when does the paradise or the
hell of man begin? It begins from the free union of man and the
Divine good or diabolical evil, namely, the union of man and God, or
man and Satan. What, therefore, is paradise? Paradise is the feeling
of God according to the word of the Holy Fathers. If you feel God
within yourself, then you have already reached paradise. The saint
of our times, Saint John of Kronstadt, says, `When God is present in
all of man's thoughts, in all if his desires, and in all of his
intentions, through his words and through his acts, the kingdom of
God has come upon him. Then man sees God everywhere in his holy
thought, in his holy action, in the holy matter."
St. Justin Popovich.
"Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good! For His mercy endures
forever. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, Whom He has redeemed
from the hand of the enemy." Psalms 107:1-2
Departure of St. Erastus, the Apostle.
Departure of St. Acacius, Bishop of Jerusalem.
Feast of St. Mark The Apostle, Evangelist.
Martyrdom of the Great Saint Mark, the Apostle and Evangelist of the
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The Universal Syriac Orthodox Church
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Its dose not seems to be attracted this issue by many people ;that’s
itself is a sign of people aren’t bothered about this.
I don’t understand how can we get lost about creed its confirmed by 3
great synod of catholic church(I meant the early church not RC)
We should do something to unify prayers, there was a talk about this a
year ago by the H.synod in India but I don’t know how far we gone
About some issues you mentioned here I think it is more appropriate
say ' light from light ,true God from true God (prakashathil
ninnulla prakasham,sathya divathil ninnulla sathya divam)
I remember we used to say 'according to scripture he rose and on
third day and ascended into heaven '(mrithu adakapattu
thiruvezhuthum prakaram moonam divasam uyarthazhunnattu) but some
where along the its changed to his will(thiruvistam)
unfortunately we are not bothered about the meaning of prayers and we
says new generation don’t like our prayers and don’t want follow its
because we don’t teach them and asking them to follow something they
are un aware of, ask how many young generation know what is the
difference in the creed about Holy sprit between catholic church and
orthodox church and why its important.
Member ID 1019
> This is in reply to the messages written by Babu Jacob & KEFA-NY.
To add to this subject, it must also be noted that our prayers are
not unified. I've seen that there are different prayers conducted
by the 'theka' (north) and 'vadaka' (south) sides. Apparently, the
evening prayers are different based upon where in India you live. I
do know that the church tried to bring unity in this matter, but
there are still many houses that use different versions of the
evening prayer. If someone can better explain this, it would be
> Our common prayers are also not the same. In the Lord's Prayer,
one version is "Deliver us from evil" whereas others say "Deliver us
from the evil one". Living in New York, we would say "forgive us
our debts, as we forgive our debtors". When we moved to Dallas, the
version goes "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us".
> God Bless,
> George Aramath
> St. Ignatius SOC, Dallas
> Member ID # 0892
The Malayalee priest, Fr Mathew Uzhuthali (69) sustained stab & chop wounds on
April 11th at Patna, Bihar. He died due to the injuries on
30th April. He was serving as the vicar of the Mokama church which is a Marian
He was attacked in the church room by the goonda leader who delivered chop
wounds on neck from the behind. He sustained very serious injuries and was
admitted in the Nazareth hospital ICU. As his condition worsened, he was shifted
to the Holy Family hospital at Kuriji. He underwent surgery on the 24th. However
the grave injuries on the neck and spine led to his death.
The slain priest has been buried at the Mokama church at Patna as he wished.
The late Fr Mathew hailed from Vechoor in Kerala. He was the son of Uzhuthalil
Ouseph and Annamma.
Fr Mathew joins the league of Christian soldiers who laid down their lives in
PRAY FOR THE SAFETY OF CHRISTIAN WORKERS IN INDIA
CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!
"Since the invisible One became visible by taking on flesh, you can fashion the
image of Him whom you saw. Since He who has neither body, nor form, nor
quantity, nor quality, who goes beyond all grandeur by the excellence of His
nature, He, being of divine nature, took on the condition of a slave and reduced
Himself to quantity and to quality by clothing Himself in human features.
Therefore, paint on wood and present for contemplation Him who desired to become
St. John of Damascus.
"Let the hearts of those rejoice who seek the Lord! Seek the Lord and His
strength; Seek His face evermore! Remember His marvelous works which He has
done, His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth." Psalms 105:3-5
Dear friends and brethren,
The May edition of "Shroro - The Syriac Orthodox Christian Digest" is now online
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Reading: From the Gospel according to St. John 17: 13-26
Dear and Respected Brethren,
Our Lord’s concern and the prayer for the entire mankind is the theme of
today’s reading. In verse 13 Lord Jesus reveals that His intention is the
fulfillment of the joy of men. Our Lord might have meant the joy of
salvation mentioned in Psalms 51:12, where Psalmist prays to restore joy of
Lord’s salvation. In verse 14, our Lord says, “I have given them thy word:
and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I
am not of the world.” That is why St. John exhorts “Marvel not, my
brethren, if the world hate you”. (I John 3:13) . In verse 15 our Lord prays
to protect us from the evil. In Galatians 1:4 we read, “Jesus Christ gave
himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world,
according to the will of God and our Father.” So also in 2 Thessalonians
3:3 we read, “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you
In verse 16 our Lord confirms that the faithful are not of this world as He
is not of this world. But at all possible occasions we go after the world
and we act as if we are of this world. We often forget the very fact that we
should keep a separate view towards this world, while being in this world.
We have studied that we are not of this world. But practically we engage
ourselves as if we are of this world. In each and every moment we spend in
this world, we all are bound to think that we are not of this world. In
verse 17 our Lord is suggesting a remedy if and when we fall victim to the
will of this world. Or when we forget that we are not of this world, we
could have rescue from a big fall. It is purely by the sanctification by
word of God, which is truth. The word of God, which is eternal truth could
sanctify one and all who might depend it for sanctification. A faithful has
to meditate the word of God every day. The Holy scriptures are good enough
to sanctify the sinners. So we must make use of the word of God every now
and often. Reading/Studying the word of God must be a practice in the life
of a real faithful. In verse 18 we read, “And you have sent me into the
world, even so I have also sent them into the world”. Again our Lord is
emphasizing the mere fact that one who is engaged in the gospel work must be
sanctified. See in verse 19, He says “And for these works, I sanctify
myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth”. St. Paul
establishes that our Lord Himself is our sanctification. Please see I
Corinthians 1:30, I Thessalonians 4:7 and Hebrews 10:10
In verses 20 and 21 we listen our Lord’s wish for the unity of entire men.
He says, ‘Father, I have given the glory to them, which you had given me, so
that they mighty be one’. We all have received the glory from our Savior.
Are we utilizing the same according God’s will? We are obliged to use our
talents and time for the unity of mankind and unity of the Churches. If we
could not do something for the unity, we should not hinder the unity. We
must put an end in abusing each other. When the mankind will be united, then
only we could have the perfection of God’s will and desire. (see verse 23)
In verses 24 and 25 we find the innocent desire of our Lord to have eternal
abideness with each and everyone of the mankind. Our Lord wants to remain in
us and to retain us in Him. The only question is towards you and me. Our
Lord asks each and everyone of us; “how far you are ready to be in the
kingdom of God”. We must ask ourselves and find the answer.
May God bless us all.
Jose Kurian Puliyeril.
thanx for ur message as u said the main problem in our church is lack of
knowledge if read trough the hudaya cannoon it was necessary to learn the faith
for years before the baptism unless its an emergency.
Our church never bother to teach people about faith and people not intrested in
learning either ;how can some one be a memeber of any organisation with out
knowing the policys of that organisation .half of our comunity(not just orthdox
or jacobite all malayalies) act as religious but they arn't most of them go to
church or temple to ask or debate with God that if God giv eme a btter life
style i will follow u.(not that they bellive he is God and our father).
I can understand why people critcize Mor Theethos,its not their fault or
Thirumanys fault;its the fault of our system . An IOC preist is a common man
wiht no preisthood or authority according to church teaching , but if u look at
the church practice he is same as any of our preist, so a common memebr church
who have no much idea about teaching of church and cannon laws ;what Mor
Theethos done is a discremination.The only way we can prevent that is by
declaring IOC as an excummunicated fraction in public(yes i know we did it
Mulathuruthy palliprathipurusha yogam but we havent done anyhting about
it).Either the catholicos or H.H should declare this in public and there by end
all relationship through a bull and that should be read in all churchs then
people understand it,when they declare it they should clarify this very clearly
coating from cannoon laws synod and association decisions so that comon memebr
of church can understand why they not a part of our community any more.
About our preists who attended their services let them attend as a common
member as any one of us attend a protastant occation(may b for wedding or a
meting)but not as preists who participate in the service.Any preist who do so
should be banned from our service untill repent I havnet got Hoodaya canon with
me at the moment otherwise i would have coated the part from canon which clearly
says a preist who join for services with an excommunicated Bishop should be
excommunicated i dont think our church leaders will ever be strong enough to
take such actions as they worry about wealth and memebrs than the values of
church(people will get the leaders they deserve)
About memebrs left our church for many reasons if its due to misunderstanding of
faith and church teaching yes it may worth our bishops ,preists and church
leaders speaking to those members to teach them why its important to join with
main stream church not a nationalist church(which i am sure against Gods
teaching ,church is unversal not national)Give them a copy of 'Ithu Vishvasthint
karryam'its available on malnakra voice let thme read it. If the reason for
leaving church is due to marriage,finacial reasons or arguments with other
church members or preist i dont think we can do a lot about it ; everyone have
to foloow their call if they ignor the call who will b able to help them.
Again its not the number of people in the church matter the quality of memebrs
is important the thing , few faithfull true christain members are much better
than a big group who have no true x'ian belives (they are memebrs of church for
social reason not because they following theire call)
--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Babu Vadakedath wrote:
> Dear Kurian,
> Reply to your posting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOCM-
> How can we stay away from IO Church? People can do easily but our
Priests have the problem. Our beloved Mor Theethos Tirumeni kept an
IOC priest out of Holy Altar during the Consecration of a church
here in USA, He faced lot of questions from our Priests and lay
persons. If we invite priests from other denominations for weddings
they come and attend with their white Rob. Most of our priests want
to go with their black Rob and they want to be in IO Church
> Best regards,
> Babu Vadakedath
> ST. Marys Cathedral Manarcad.
> ST. Mary's Church Houston, Texas, USA.
> Member ID # 0920
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Dear Aby K. Paul,
I read your posting in IO Forum No.9841 of March 30, 2005 on the issues you
wrote to me on Dec.11,2004. I gave you a reply with my confidence that that
these issues were very well referred in my links and in the books I sent to you
at my own expense. Your first question was well answered by Dr. Thomas Joseph in
SOCM Forum No. 513. All other questions are very well taken care in the
following two books I mailed to you.
1.Slaiheeka Sandarsanam- Vivadangalum Visadeekaranangalum
2.Ivar Paranjirunnathingane, Ennal Ippol...?
I thought you have read the book and found the replies to all your questions!
You wrote to me on Dec.28 2004 the following,
>Thank you for the books. However I had read one of those books from one of
>my friends before but those
>does not answer my questions. I shall send you the cost of the books in two
>As you suggested I checked the SOCM Forum #513 and back issues and it seems
>like the discussion did not last
>for longer than three or four issues.
>I know it is not a time to discuss those issues when thousands of our
>brothers back home are suffering from
>the earthquake and Tsunami. Let us thank God for how fortunate we are. Let
>us pray and do whatever we can
>to help those people (either in the name of SOC or IOC) as Christians.
>Thank you once again for the books.
>Aby K. Paul “
What else I can understand from this?
Almost 3 months passed and you never wrote me any letter or mail. I never
expected the cost of the books and the mailing charges from you so I didn’t care
on the promise that you will sent me the cost in TWO DAYS! even though nothing
Now it is really surprising that you, all on a sudden appeared in the IO Forum
with a plea to SO Forum owner, Thomas Daniel, using another thread, with a note
that HE WILL BE ABLE TO REPLY.
This can also mean that even though the question was raised to me I did not
satisfy you. Your posting with my name mentioned gives a feeling that we had a
thorough discussion earlier. Your posting quoted below will not reveal the fact
that you have NEVER AGAIN CONTACTED ME FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATIONS FROM MY PART,
but surely give a feeling otherwise.
See your posting on me in IOC Forum,
”I asked Rev. Fr. Kuriakose Moolayil these questions and he was kind enough to
send me some books to read. I could not find the answers to my questions but
just allegations of IOC bishops lying and sort of. However he requested me to
visit SOC Forum Digest# 913 for my first and second questions. The interesting
thing I found was SOC forum stopped any further discussion about it after their
answer in Digest # 913.” (Corrected to 513 later by yourself)
It was you that stopped the discussions unilaterally on account of the Tsunami
disaster. It was a courtesy to write to me on these at least before dragging my
name in the public forum. Your intention is very clear when you requested Thomas
Daniel to give the reply in the IO Forum.
I think you have the permission from the IOF Moderators to invite the reply
there. I hope this will not be censored/edited as it was done earlier to my
response to the Learned and senior Corepicopos V.Rev.Dr.P.S.Samuel. Those
responses was actually invited by the IO Moderators but later they found it
‘untimely’ and was denied publication. I hope that will not happen to this.
Coming to your questions 1 and 2 you are again invited to READ the posting
No.513 in SO Forum from Dr. Thomas. URL
Your Questions 1 and 2 are quoted below,
1. “ If H.H. the Patriarch of Antioch is the head of our church, why don't the
bishops from India have the equal participation in the election ofPatriarch?
2. Why a bishop from India is not eligible for the candidacy of Patriarch?“
My responses to these are the following:
1. The Patriarchate and the Catholicate in the SOC are two Synodal entities with
specifics of authorities. This is nothing new. When the Catholicate was accepted
in 1958 and the canonical installation was done by H.H. Yacoob 111 in 1964 the
synodal identity was confirmed. That is still followed. The Catholicose of the
East is elected by the Synod under the Catholicate and Patriarch by the Synod
under him. All these involve issues of rights over properties, languages,
jurisdiction, etc, etc of temporalities. BUT the installing is spiritual and is
done reciprocally by the concerned prelate.
2. It is also noteworthy that the bishops of the Patriachate are not a part of
the election or the candidancy to the Catholicate too. So these issues are not
to be considered as issues connected to the spiritual supremacy of the
3. During the period when the Maphriante was weak ,before 1860 , many times the
Catholicoi were nominated by the Patriarch or/and by the synod. H.H. Basalius
Yeldo and H.B. Sakralla are examples. Then there was no Synod under the
Catholicoi and many Catholicoi became Patriarch.
4. Besides the above clarifications I have some more comments on this issue.
Is your question raised with pure conscience to know the electoral roll and the
eligibility of the candidacy of the Patriarch or is it addressed to highlight
your whimsical fantasy of the ‘discrimination’ prevailing(?) in the SOC?. Will
you join the SOC stand if this issue is cleared as a matter of authority and
temporality? Or will you continue as ‘unconvinced’ innocent?
5. Finally, my request to you and other IO friends is to keep this issue as an
internal affair of the SOC. As far as the IOC is concerned it is not at all an
issue. Please worry about your candidacy of bishops and Catholicose. We are not
all bothered who all you elect, ordain or receive. It is your freedom to hail
defectors from SOC or to defeat those from North dioceses,
6. But your concern regarding the position of Patriarch in the Malankara Church
is to be considered here. I will have to say that it should be said without any
‘IF’ as you have started in your question! You seem to rely much on Court
verdict in your questions. Have you READ any of the judgments regarding Church
cases from Cochin Award to 1995 Judgment of the Supreme Court of India? You
should also READ the latest (2002) judgment from the High Court of Kerala by
J.Jawaharlal and J. Ramachandran. Then you can avoid the ‘IF’ in your future
postings. I am not intending to give the proof of details regarding the
unquestionable spiritual supremacy of the Patriarch of Antioch over the
Malankara Church as evidenced in judgments, liturgy and history of the church.
You have the freedom to go away from it. But you cannot deny the facts. You can
keep your eyes shut! But don’t think all have kept their eyes shut
7. I am sure you will be 'convinced' by this reply too as you were not satisfied
with the replies in the books that I forwarded to you. If you are willing to
read without prejudice all your questions other than the above are answered in
Q.3. Who was the head of our Church during the 19th century and before?
Refer Oath of Koonan Cross, Mavelikkara Padiyola, Mulanthuruthy Synod,
Consecration of Bishops Pulikkottil 5th back to Marthoma1. Read also the History
book by Fr. K. David, the former Sunday School Director during the split period
Q.4. Why did the former Patriarch sent a Kalpana saying that St. Thomas was not
even a priest? Or didn't he sent such a letter and the IOC is lying ?
Refer my book, Slaiheeka Sandarsam pages 88- 90. See also my posting attached
below URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOCM-FORUM/message/5118
Q.5.Did H.G. Thomas Mar Dianaius agree to abide by the Supreme Court verdict of
1995 and agree to participate in the election to chose the Malankara
Metropolitan under the guidance of Justice Mr. Malimatt? (I read in the
newspapers back then that it was the Jacobite faction that suggested Mr.
Malimatt in SC and Orthodox faction opposed it. However the SC accepted the
request of Jacobite faction acknowledging that without SC overseeing it the
election would not be fair)
Much water flowed after this event. Please read the judgment of HC of Kerala
referred above by J. Gupta and J. M. Ramachandran. See my book pages 49 & 50.
For Malimatt issues please READ chapter one of the above book. If you don’t have
access to the HC judgment I have a copy with me. I will send the photocopy if
you can pay the charges.
I would also like to bring to your kind notice that it is NOT proper to call
H.B. Thomas first as 'H.G. Thomas Mar Dianasius' even years after he is raised
as the Catholicose. Give respect and get respect. I don’t personally mind even
if you avoid my status as 'corepiscopos' by addressing me as 'Rev.Fr.Kuriakose'.
I am more comfortable with the endeared title, ‘Moolelachen’ heard for the last
26 years. But the former is more serious.
If you accept H.B. or not is another issue, he is H.B. of the SOC. You are
belittling yourself when you or anyone else try to lower his status. Moreover if
you accept him as ‘H. G. Thomas Mar Dianasius‘, why you cannot recognize him as
H.B.? Both status were conferred upon him by the SO Church.
Please read more comment from me on this in the following URL
Q.6.Why the Jacobite faction recommended in SC to amend the constitution for
representation based on membership in each parish and now arguing that the
amended constitution is not applicable to them?
See the references to the question No.5
Conclusion: I am willing to explain on any of the points I have referred above
and to communicate with you even personally. I am reminded of a proverb here.
“One can bring a horse to water but thousand cannot force it to drink” This may
be applicable to me, you and may be many others. This denominational duel is
useless other than for historic and academic purpose. I lost interest in this
combat through the forum. Being a student and reader of the History of the
Church at times I will have to interfere with my thoughts and convictions. That
Please forgive me if I have offended anyone of my readers unintentionally.
Pray for me and forgive my ignorance.
Kuriakose Corepiscopa Moolayil
Director, Mor Adai Study Centre
From the desk of the Moderators
The above posting is published as per the request of our respected Moolelachen
as IOC Forum refused to publish iit in their forum in response to the original
posting appeared in that forum. The communication between IOC Forum moderators
& Achan is also printed below for clearing his stance of publishing it in our
Rejection note to Moolelachen from ICON Moderators
Indian Orthodox wrote:
Respected Achen, We are not posting the message below in ICON since it is
already appreared in/sent to other forum. Thank you for your continued support.
In Risen Christ,
Reply from Moolelachen to ICON Moderator
Thank you for your kind reply of rejection of my reply to Aby. I can understand
your limitations in posting my response even otherwise, if you were given the
first priority to publish. Let Aby and his like minded friends in your forum
enjoy with the feeling that none could say anything beyond what they have said!
I have sent a copy to Aby for his knowledge. I hope you will not mind if I
publish your rejection note in our Forum. I shall hold this for two days for you
to reply if you have any objection to this.
Thanking you again for your request for 'continued support' Lovingly,
Reply from ICON moderator to Moolelachen
Dear Achen, Thank you Achen for asking. We do not have any problem you posting
this in any forum or we do not know even we could ask for that. However,
thinking out loud, what would you achieve by posting a mail which we consider
totally out of Christian Spirit and won’t achieve anything?
We really would like to post any messages in ICON which is true, rational and
nourish Christian brotherhood.
Please forgive if we offended you in anyway and remember our activities in your
In Risen Christ,
For ICON Moderators,
(Name withheld by SOCM-Forum Moderators)
Reply to ICON Moderator from Moolelachen
Dear Brother, ((Name withheld by SOCM-Forum Moderators)
Your immediate reply on behalf of ICON is praiseworthy. Thank you for your
prudence to leave the publication issue to my freedom.
I can't understand the rationale in your letter when you said the reply is
"totally out of Christian Spirit and won’t achieve anything " !
I think it is my duty now to explain to you why I was compelled to ask you
permission to quote your reply in SOCM-Forum.
Do you believe the questions raised by Aby were in 'true Christian Spirit'?.
But I know he and his participants 'achieved' in mud throwing and slandering .
You Moderators of ICON gave him web space to air his baseless questions and also
his appeal to reply in your Forum, even dragging in my name improperly. But when
I replied you rejected to post the clarifications therby you are denying
thousands of your readers their right to know the replies to Aby. What your
readers are thinking now? Thomas Daniel and 'Fr. Kuriakose Moolayil' could not
even reply to the questions raised by Mr. Aby ! This is very sad and is really
creating a smoke screen .
You now has denied me the space to respond and clarify the half truth in the
personal discussion between me and Aby. This is really painful and I can see
this only an act in partisan spirit. This is not at all Christian charity!
If I publish this rejection note at least those of your readers who are members
of SOCM and other forums will understand what really happened ?
My reply was posted in SOCM-Forum because Aby's questions were also raised in it
I can't find any 'Christian Spirit' and Charity in your rejection of my
postings this time and the former. This time YOU allowed the writer Aby to call
for clarification to be published in ICON itself and the last time YOU YOURSELF
ASKED ME TO WRITE MY VIEWS. Now you say it can achieve nothing ! What a paradox
But I respect your (Moderator's) freedom to reject any of the postings being it
a moderated Forum.
Forgive me for my uncouth words, as I am thinking aloud and sharing my thoughts
without hiding anything. I am not at all offended by your words or rejection of
my postings, because I expected nothing more than this could happen or you
could act in any other way. I know you cannot sent to your readers 'the
unpleasant realities' against the smoke screen arguments built by your
promoters, like Aby.
Thank you for your time, patience and sincere courtesy.
I am thankful to the Indian Orthodox Moderators for inserting my write up on "
Groupism in Our Religion" in the Digest No.1523. I am equally thankful to the
honourable members Mr. Alex Jojo Thomas and Mr. Oommen Thomas who have
responded to the above through SOCM Digest No.1238 , and the moderators who
have considered itworthy of incorporating their views for the benifit of our
It is this sort of criticism from our members that can develop into a healthy
dialogue and perhaps the involment of more and more such members will be a
welcome start leading into better discussions among us.
As Mr. Ommen Thomas is, I too am basically from Tiruvalla and had been
attending to the Masses offerred by both the factions in turn ( in the olden
days) at Paliyekkara Church. Also I had no reservations in going to the other
Churches in the locality such as Kattampurathu, and Chalakkuzhy-two churches. I
had personal contacts with the Revered Priests of both the factions too in a
very cordial way. Even to this day I have no preference to attending churches
of either factions whenever I visit Kerala, as I firmly believe that the
groupism in our religion which is being practiced from our forefathers' time
is meaningless and keep hopes on the younger generation to break the
barriers and get united for a fruitful future.
Thanking you ,
JUNAS from Mumbai,India.
(I am a member of Dadar Parish,Mumbai)
From the desk of the Moderator:
We request once again to send your details to moderators
(SOCM-FORUMfirstname.lastname@example.org) and obtain a member ID before posting any
more messages in SOCM. Thank you for your cooperation
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!
"Do not be irritated either with those who sin or those who offend;
do not have a passion for noticing every sin in your neighbour, and
for judging him, as we are in the habit of doing. Everyone shall
given an answer to God for himself. Everyone has a conscience;
everyone hears God's Word, and knows God's Will either from books or
from conversation with other people. Especially do not look with
evil intention upon the sins of your elders, which do not regard
you; `to his own master he standeth or falleth.' Correct your own
sins, amend your own life."
St. John of Kronstadt.
"But I am poor and needy; Make haste to me, O God! You are my help
and my deliverer; O Lord, do not delay." Psalms 70:5
Departure of the righteous Job.
Departure of St. Tadros, the disciple of St. Pachomius.
Martyrdom of St. Philothaos.
I don't know whether you are with the Syrian Orthodox Church or the IO
church, but I must commend you on your desire for unity. Unity is the
true Christian spirit, as it is part of the greater thesis of
Christianity. Let me say unequivocally, that unity is only a reality
when it is based on truth.
The union shared when the IO church rejoined the Syrian Orthodox
Church in the 50s was not a true union, but one of sidewinding by the
Originally, the IO church, like the Reeth, Anglican-Martomites, and
the "Catholics" of India, were all Syrian Orthodox Christians. That
was unity. We must not equate unity as anything different. The IO
church, the Reeth, the Anglican-Martomites, the Papist/Catholics of
India, all would be following the unity call of Christ if they return
to the Syrian Orthodox Church. I've made many Mallu friends of
varying denominations, and the greatest drawback for them is pride.
As we know, pride is the heart of Satan himself who tried to be like
God. Personalities emerged who were wolves in sheeps clothing,
leading many astray. Are the (Syrian) Orthodox Christians of India
and the IO church different in faith? Originally, yes. Today, I am
not sure; the history of the IO church (and as such, their theology)
is changing day by day depending on which IO church spokesman we are
I have a few friends in the IO church, and they are very simple folks.
They really are also my students, but I understand they have
family obligations at their present parish. The IO church leadership
is certainly heretical, yet these folks, as well as many (Syrian)
Orthodox, know very little about their faith. I have a duty to teach
my IO friends about the foundations of Christian love before I even
bring up the issue regarding the heresy they unknowingly are part of.
You see, not all the IO church is made up of heretics, but most
certainly their leadership is. Just as it is our duty as (Syrian)
Orthodox Christians to bring to Christian love to the hearts of all
people, so too it is their duty to bring that into their church.
For true unity to occur, the IO church members really need to do some
soul searching and return to the (Syrian) Orthodox Christian faith
that was given to the Apostles by Christ Himself. If an IO church
member is not in such a position, that person should affiliate his or
her heart with the (Syrian) Orthodox Church, thereby becoming a
Jacobite at heart within the IO church and helping to remove the
Now of course, there is the question of those IO church members who
are directly opposed to the Holy Church (for as the creed says, there
is only ONE). If you read the IOC forum or the MOSC forum, you can
see a deep-seering hatred for anything related to the Syrian Orthodox
Church. The feelings themselves are unfounded. It is simply their
way of dealing with their religious insecurity. How can there be
unity with such folks?
Dear Junas, we must all be Jacobites at heart, but it is better if
those outside of the Orthodox Christian faith walk unified under our
shepherds, the Patriarch of Antioch HHMM Ignatios and the Maphriono of
all India HB Aboon Mor Basileos Thomas I. For those who are in a more
difficult situation in the IO church and cannot directly come to
unity, they must unite within their hearts and be good Christian
examples for the rest of the IO church around them, declaring their
hearts to be Jacobite though they may be among wolves.
St. Mary's JS Orthodox Church
Santa Fe Springs, CA
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Home loving and God fearing, from JACOBITE Widowers/ Divorcees of 40 to 45 age
group, well settled in life in India or abroad, with clean habits, positive
attitude towards life and home loving.
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CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!
"For He was not, as might be imagined, circumscribed in the body,
nor, while present in the body, was He absent elsewhere; nor, while
He moved the body, was the universe left void of His working and
Providence; but, thing most marvellous, Word as He was, so far from
being contained by anything, He rather contained all things Himself;
and just as while present in the whole of creation, He is at once
distinct in being from the universe, and present in all things by
His own power, -- giving order to all things, and over all and in
all revealing His own prvidence, and giving life to each thing and
all things, including the whole without being included, but being in
His own Father alone wholly and in every respect."
St. Athanasius the Great.
"Your hands have made me and fashioned me; Give me understanding,
that I may learn Your commandments." Psalms 119:73
Departure of the righteous Job.
Departure of St. Tadros, the disciple of St. Pachomius.
Martyrdom of St. Philothaos.
Departure of St. Jason, one of the Seventy disciples.
Departure of St. Otimus, the Priest.
Departure of Pope Gabriel IV, the 86th. Patriarch of Alexandria.
From your Mail:
>"As Mr. Ommen Thomas is, I too am basically from Tiruvalla and had been
>attending to the Masses offerred by both the factions in turn ( in the olden
>days) at Paliyekkara Church. Also I had no reservations in going to the other
>Churches in the locality such as Kattampurathu, and Chalakkuzhy-two churches. I
>had personal contacts with the Revered Priests of both the factions too in a
>very cordial way. Even to this day I have no preference to attending churches
>of either factions whenever I visit Kerala, as I firmly believe that the
>groupism in our religion which is being practiced from our forefathers' time
>is meaningless and keep hopes on the younger generation to break the
>barriers and get united for a fruitful future."
I am from Thiruvalla and I dont think Mr.Ommen Thomas referred to Thiruvalla in
As you correctly pointed out on having 'no reservations', Kattapuram,
Paliyekkara & Chalakkuzhy churches belong to IOC now and most of the people who
attend for the masses at these places are one and the same or from same family.
Let me explain for others. Kattappuram church was the mother church and its the
one and the same which has citations in Parumala Thirumeni's life. Paliyekkara
was also an old church and it was like a chapel for Kattappuram church. Few
families were attending qurbano here and the same was built on some other
personnel reasons. Then came the split in our church and 380 families lost the
church while 26 families had its pocession as the key remained at Kottayam
aramana. No one resorted to law-breaking and church capture.Rest it with the
decency,peace-loving nature of lack of back-bone for the office bearers of the
church committe that time.No arguments here.After the same, we and IOC shared
Paliyekkara church with turns. Kaniyamparampil Achen had been celebrating holy
Qurbano for us there for two sundays every month. Then came the peace drama and
later we lost 'the turn' also. Chalakkuzhy Church as the name suggest belongs to
the Chalakkuzhy family.The official name of the church is 'Thekke Puthen Palli
or St.Mulk Orthodox Church' and i think it needs no explanantion on how it came,
how it survived and whom it belongs to.
All these 3 churches are situated at less than a kilometer seperation. And there
is one more church. St.George JSO Chapel with over 400 families in this same
vicinity. This chapel was built overnight by the Jacobites and it still remians
as Chapel due to the cases and all.Someone among us had hopes of getting back to
Kattappuram Church if the 'Chapel' remains in name.I think it is the second
biggest edavaka in our Niranam diocease as of now (first being Kayamkulam
Kadissa)..Aji, please correct me if I am wrong here.
There is absolutely no case of 'having reservations' in going to any of these
churches as it should be the same people who should maintain these churches as
they aslo counts votes in the so called 'malankara association'.
Why there was a 'reservation' in going to this church to attend the qurbano ,
which is famous in the locality as 'chapel edavaka' or 'chapel' or 'kavumbhagom
Moolelachen can also underline this history as he had been involved in spiritual
activities of this chapel/church even before I was born.
Now, regarding "Even to this day I have no preference " --- But I have
preferrences. I came back today morning only as I had gone down to thiruvalla
for attending our perunnal.On saturday, day before yesterday, our main raasa or
palli raasa (the concluding one) was delayed 1 hr to start by Kattappuram
palli's raasa as we have to go through the same way. Why? All of us were waiting
with the cross,muthukuda,nadapanthal and all for their raasa to pass through.
Why there was a big fleet of police including DySP there in front of us? Who
called them?What were they expecting? So, it was indeed intentional to give us a
late start and they really expected a raise of voice from us.And, Ommen Chandy's
Police was all set to take us right? Or was that an intention to leave us at the
mercy of the late evening showers which are common these days?Why?Is this a
matter of 'preferrence'??
Yes..we got wet by the showers but we completed the perunnal
properly.Padayathrayil mazha varunnathu anugrahavarshamanennu njangal
vishwasikkunnu.And we are not ready to go back.rather we will be prepared for
coming years.Let the church administration come itself to this generation.And
all IOC folks better watch out..we will spend more time on road in years to
come..If needed, we will bring all those chendamelam,margam kali,band
melam,parisha muttu and all in lorries to your individual homes and will perform
at our leisure.Someone from us will also become a 'political figure' in years to
come.Wait for that day..and challenge us not. All of us have much more days to
count ahead and we have pure blood running inside with strong back bone.. .wait
for that 'fruitful-future'
Why did the same Chalakkuzhy/St.Mulk/Thekke Puthe Palli file 3 court cases
against us when we decided to buy a land and have our own cemetery on the plot
which is very next to Chalakkuzhy palli? What has this church got to do with
us?Or, were they sadist enough to enjoy the indecent behaviour of all IOC
priests towards all 'jacobite dead bodies' which were taken to the Kattappuram
I dont want to repeat all those dirty stinking stories again.But, it definitely
is a matter of 'preferrence' and 'selected reservation' as I could understand
from the 'peace-note'
Dear Mr.Junas, I really feel sad about the intentions in your note..in case it
had come from your heart. Just because of the reason that we dont want peace
after somebody eating our head.
Alex Jojo Joseph
St.Mary's JSO Cathedral, Queen's Road, Bangalore
St.George JSO Chapel, Kavumbhagom, Thiruvalla
Member ID # 0910
With the latest round of postings on SOC/IOC controversies, I pose the question,
if Christ were to return to this world today, of the 2600+ religious
denominations in existence around the world, which
church would he attend? Where would He look for His followers?
Rather than focussing on what separates us, why can't we consider what unites
us? We all hail from the same the homeland. We all participate in the same
sacraments, using the same language. Our families are related and friendly. We
live next to each other. Our children study together and are friends. Our people
work in the same places. Our people rely on each other when there is sorrow and
joy. We read the same Bible and pray for the same Living God. We are
all created by the same Living God.
Our calling is to worship and serve the One, Tri-Une God. The 'Christian' Church
is supposed to be a place of cohesiveness and unity. If Christ, the true
spiritual head of the church, is not part of our discussions and long term
solution, there is nothing to be gained -- there is no honor and glory to God.
Christ unites - man divides -- in whom are we putting our trust?
Dn George Mathew
St. Thomas Indian Orthodox Church, Greater Washington
Member ID # 0967
Oommen Chandy and 3M
These days many rumours are spreading about CM Oommen Chandy. People used to ask
whether there is any hidden agenda for the CM. Does he have any special interest
in promoting his Christian community over others? Whatever be the truth such
allegations are being raised by leaders as well as common man of other
The prominent Hindu leaders of Kerala like Vellappally Natesan as well as many
others are saying that Chief Minister is under the influence of 3Ms namely the
MUTHOOT, the MANORAMA and the METHRAN.
Already the Congress leader V M Sudheeran ex-MP had asked for the resignation of
Retd. Justice John Mathew (who is a Devalokam insider and a close confident of
CM) from the enquiry commission appointed by CM Oommen Chandy for deciding on
the controversial mining around sea coast (Karimanal Khananam). Many more are
presenting a detailed list of close confidents from the particular Christian
community of Oommen Chandy who are given high posts in Government institutions.
Rajan Chacko from Thiruvalla (now settled in madras), who is alleged to be
behind the recent SSLC Exam Paper leak, is said to be getting the help of CM.
The fellow who is given charge of proposed Smart City at Cochin is said to be
from his community (political allegations has already been raised against this).
Another fellow from CMs community who is working as his right-hand is Giji
Thompson IAS. Many have already raised eyebrows on his undue influence over CM.
Many allegations are flouting against this IAS fellow.
It is in the middle of all these allegations a group of Methran Kakshi laity
leaders under the banner -Orthodox Citizens forum-, assembled under its
president Jacob Mathew and praised Oommen Chandy for promoting those from their
community. They (citizen forum) are giving a list of their church members who
are given Government posts by Oommen Chandy. See the list.
1. Adv. Thomas Philip - as PSC member (He was the person who filed the case
against our Catholicose at Chenganoor Court in 2002. He is also the same person
who led the cases against the Jacobite Church at Kayamkulam and Kanjiramattom in
2. Dr. Thomas John Mambara - as MG University Exam controller
3. Dr. Varghese Peryilined – as Kerala Syndicate Member
4. Former IOC CHURCH SECRETARY A K Thomas – nominated as Wages Commission member
The names of Retd. Justice John Mathai, Gigi Thompson etc, comes beyond this.
The list goes on.
So people in general doubt whether there is any truth in the allegation that CM
is under the influence of 3 M.
T M Chacko
Member ID # 0903
The consecration rituals of the St. Mary's Jacobite Syrian Church at Kundara
will be held from May 13 to 15. The Catholicos, Baselios Thomas I, will be the
chief celebrant for the rituals.
The church has been constructed by the Kundara St. Mary's Trust. At a press
conference here today, the conveners of the consecration function, T.V. Punnose
Tharakan and Chevalier I. John Payattuvila, said that the church built in Gothic
style has been built at a cost of over Rs.90 lakhs.
A `panchaloha' flag mast has been erected in front of the church.
CHRIST IS RISEN! TRULY HE IS RISEN!
"In the Book of Proverbs it says, `Those who have no guidance fall
like leaves but there is safety in much counsel.' Take a good look
at this saying, brothers. Look at what Scripture is teaching us. It
assures us that we should not set ourselves up as guide posts, that
we should not consider ourselves sagacious, that we should not
believe we can direct ourselves. We need assistance, we need
guidance in addition to God's grace. No one is more wretched, no one
is more easily caught unawares, than a man who has no one to guide
him along the road to God."
St. Dorotheos of Gaza.
"I will praise You, O Lord, with my whole heart; I will tell of all
Your marvelous works. I will be glad and rejoice in You; I will sing
praise to Your name, O Most High." Psalms 9:1-2
Departure of St. Jason, one of the Seventy disciples.
Departure of St. Otimus, the Priest.
Departure of Pope Gabriel IV, the 86th. Patriarch of Alexandria.
Departure of Pope John the First, 29th Patriarch of the See of St.
Departure of pope Yoannis the Fifth the Seventy Second Patriarch.
When fundamentals are wrong ,everything will go wrong! This can be proved
mathematically very well ! If the foundation is weak whatever you build over it
will remain weak.
Recently I was attending one ordination ceremony of a priest at our Bangalore
church.The priest to be, signs by putting cross sign and declares his obedience
to the bishop and church few times. The bishop says whatever I reject,you will
also reject, and the priest to be agrees to it,in front of the holy altar.
Now what happens if that priests reject the bishop? He has already agreed that
,he will become stranger to church.(annyan).Will he go out of church or the
bishop will go out of church? When I was attending this ceremony,I was
wondering, if vattaseril metran has taken his ordination from Patriarch agreeing
to all terms ,standing in front of the holy altar and then rebels against the
Patriarch,automatically he becomes a stranger to the church.Worldly honors he
will get does matter. Many buildings may be named after him. We should not get
perturbed by that.Disobedience is not accepted by God.The fundamentals have gone
The man who killed Australian missionary.Stains,comes out from jail may become
a BJP minister and later many statues of him may be made.He may look great for
few people but he will always remain a murderer in the realm of truth.! He can
not undo that.
Panambady St.Marys Jacobite church
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