GREETINGS TO ALL,



" Give freely of what you have, and GOD will give gifts to you

both here and in eternity."



Saju C.Varghese

St.Peter's Cathedral, New Delhi

St.Thomas Church, N.Parur

Dear Aliyas Issac



Relics of saints interred in churches or Veneration of it is not against the

Word of GOD or against the Faith & Tradition of our Church. Who ever oppose it

and claims that it is against the Word of GOD, is unfortunately due to their

ignorance to understand the Church faith properly and self-interpretation of the

Holy Scriptures.



In this regard I like to quote from "What Shall I Do To Be Saved?"

By Very Rev. Dr. Curian Kaniyamparambil, Translated By Mr. Paul

Philipose



In HIS Love

Thomas Daniel (Reji)

St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church

Cheppaud, Alleppy (Dist), Kerala, India

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"What Shall I Do To Be Saved?"

By Very Rev. Dr. Curian Kaniyamparambil

Translated By Mr. Paul Philipose

Section 5; Question & answer 121 & 122



121. The Syriac Orthodox Church reveres the remains and antiques used

by Saints? Isn't this superstitious and against the Bible and God?



It is true that our church respects the remains of saints and

antiques belonging to these saints because it is biblical.  Let us

refer to Acts 19:12,  "So that even the handkerchiefs and aprons were

brought from his (St. Paul's) body to the sick, and the diseases left

them and the evil Spirits went out of them." If we had these

handkerchiefs or aprons, what should we do?  Respect them as did the

apostles, or should we throw them away?



Again in the Old Testament similar incidents are seen.



"Then he (Elisha) picked up Elijah's mantle which had fallen from

him, and went back and stood at the bank of Jordan. Wielding the

mantle, which had fallen from Elijah, he struck the water in his turn

and said, "Where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?" When Elisha struck

the water, it divided and he crossed over." (2 Kings 2:13-15)



"Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied a

raiding band. They cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha, and

every one went off. When the dead man came in contact with the bones

of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to the feet " (2 Kings

13:21).



Elisha was humble enough to respect the mantle of Elijah. Will modern

fellowships that refuse to respect Holy Relics throw this mantle

away? Elisha's bones had the power to make a dead man alive. If we

had these bones today, what should we do? Throw it away or respect it?



God gave Samson water from dried bones. So it is possible that God

can give His blessings from bones too. God is all-powerful. If the

remains had these abilities, it is God's power.



122. The Holy relics with the Syrian Orthodox Church



St. Ignatius was martyred for Jesus Christ in AD 107. He was thrown

into a lion's den. It is written in AD 110 that, "Only harder part of

his Holy relics were left and these were conveyed to Antioch and

wrapped in linen as an inestimable treasure left to the Holy Church

on account of the grace which was in the martyr." (Faith of Early

Church Fathers)



St. Thomas received a girdle from St. Mary but the church had lost

track of the girdle over a period of time. The supreme head of our

church, Patriarch H.H. Ignatius Apram discovered a letter sent by the

people of Homis in 1852, to the believers in Mardin. The letter said

that St. Mary's girdle was discovered and is kept buried under the

sanctum of the church in Homis. His Holiness opened the Sanctum and

discovered writings on a marble plate. It was written `This church

was built in the time of the preacher called Malaya, [Elijah] in AD

59." They also found a stone vessel and a silver vessel. The girdle

was found in it. As the news spread, researchers questioned its

authenticity. They examined it and were unanimous in their opinion

about its genuineness and about the age of the girdle. Now it is kept

in the church with much respect.



Over a period of time the church remained, even though it's members

were subjected to heinous persecution. Its membership declined

dramatically. We were able to preserve these relics and also

maintained St. Mark's home as a church. It was here Jesus Christ

established the Eucharist, and had his Last Supper. This is where the

apostles received the Holy Spirit. The apostles declared this as the

first church and St. James celebrated the first Eucharist. The church

praises the Lord for this.



--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Aliyas Issac wrote:

> Dear friends

>

> There is one news i heard  that, Fr. Peter Velaparambil who is the

vicar of Jacobite Syrian Church Perumany, Perumbavoor IS GOING TO

INSTALL A RELIC OF PARUMALA THIRUMENY) in the church.

>

> Now there is some sort of opposition going on from a faction of

church memebrs who is beliving in the GODS WORDS are objecting this.

>

> Pls pray for the cituation and reply your all openin on that.

>

> Aliyas Issac

> SAMAJAM

> Saudi Arabia

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,



I am the team leader for my blue CVD (Chemical Vapor Deposition) group in my

engineering course. I am somehow the leader, because my English is the best

among the members. Do pray that I will somehow lead the group to be more

productive. Also, please pray that I will lead my team without any mistakes.

Please

pray that my team will not make any serious technical mistakes in the course.



In Christ,

Joseph Yosuk Lee

8th Grade Sunday School Teacher

Cerritos Presbyterian Church at Artesia, California

Dear Wilson achan/ others,



Its nice to hear about a new church especially in Mumbai. But I do have the

following questions regarding the info posted here. Almost all these questions

are generic - concerning a trend in church - and not very new. Hope this forum

would be a good place to discuss these.



1. Why is the casket opened only once an year ? I understand the teachings of

the Church about the holy relics that they can be subjects thru which the Holy

spirit may work resulting in miracles. But is there any constraints/canons for

the restricted access or the annual ceremonies?



2. How are the "blessings for non-believers" justified here ? Will that do

anything good for the evangalization (spreading the word of gospel about God's

plan thru His Son) and salvation of mankind? [Unfortunately, I haven't heard any

stories about these kinds of places leading people to Jesus. Please enlighten me

if any body has examples] If not, What are we achieving/ what is the mission to

be fulfilled here, as Syriyac Orthodox Christian? On what grounds are we doing

these?



3. Is there any canons in place, within Syriyac Orthodox church which tells

about building/administrating such "ceremonial pilgrim centers" (Obviously, its

very clear from the post that its not just a church - where the believers come

together to worship)?



Obviously these questions are not newly arised in my mind; but have been there

for a long time. I (as well us most of you) can see the *MBA facts behind

this!!! But I just do not want to accept that first hand and that's why seeking

whether there are any (legitimate) reasons for these.



Hope to see some genuine answers.



snehapoorvam,



Biku



Biju Kurian

Marthoman church Mulanthuruthy



*MBA = Master of Business Administration



PS: This msg was originally posted on second week of April but is reportedly

missing; hence the repost.

Dear varghese, Shaji and all other brothers



What Brother Varghese has written is 100% true.  IOC is more planned.

If you read their messages here and in Indian Orthdox Form they focus on

propagating,



1) There is nothing like excommunication. It is politics.

    Do they accept Arius ? I asked one of them ? they said

    that excommunication and THIS one are different. But I cant

    see two types of ( one to be obeyed and other for fun) any where.



2) They go and tell the faith is same. It is all orthodox. they say.

    But such a decision is against ( Matthew 16:13-20) and decisions

    of the three councils and a writings a great number of church

    fathers  in the early centuries.



3) They had the audacity to say that The Fathers that came here

    were "intruders". But Aren't they anointed too? In my view

    even  if  Apostles St. Thomas came here and established his OWN

    church and throne, still they( bishops from Antioch) are ALSO

    anointed people. Other wise  Vattaserri thirumeni will not go to East

    to get a "legal"  bishop hood.  People with IOC changed and left

    the "faith" entrusted to them. But there was no change to the faith

    in Antioch from which Vattaseeril thirumeni got the apostolic

    blessings.



    So IOC has filed casees against Paravoor church and kothamangalm

    church etc. If IOC get it, what they will do? dig up the tombs and

    throw away the remains of the Fathers entmobed there? Since they are

    "intruders" it is not good to be kept in Holy Madbha. Right ?



4) The DEEDs of seminary at Aluva and church in Parumala etc

    are in the name of Patriarch of Antioch. The hospital at

    Kolencheri has our  Cathoicos HB Thomas 1's sweat on ALL the

    bricks on it. Some ...... have the audacity to get into all this

    and disparage the rightful owners of it. What really hurts is

    they have the guts to tell the people this is "CHRISTANITY".

    Shaji quoted Matthew 5:22-28 ( specially verse 23 - "Therefore, if

    you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your

    brother has something against you") to show that 'hey one should love

    his brother before any sacrifice'. Now do IOC do that ? Did they do

    that when they tried to close, destroy or snatch the church's

    from the faithful ?  Did Shaji remember it? Did any one remember it? No

    one. But when our bishop OBEYED the church order many were outraged ,

    many posts were posted in Indian Orthodox Forum form touting "non

    Christian act" by Orthodox bishop and so on. Many were made "martyrs "

    out of this too.



6) One of the IOC bishop's who deflected from  JSC( I think this is

    Mar Athanatious of Muvattupuzha) approched Reeth to join them. But

    they said give all the properties to their "rightful owners" and

    they could accept them. IOC dont have at least that courtesy? And

    they talk as deciples of  Lord Jesus Christ?

   More surprising, still people follow them blindly justifying them.



5) According to our church's faith, "church is where there is a

    bishop". So bishop is powerful. So I would like not question what he

    did. Right or wrong. He has the authority and he did it. I have no

    authority to question it or comment on it.



6) Though this split and apparent loss of faith of "the faithfuls"

    the chruch has become weak. When some thing is weak there is so many enemies

    who will take advantage

    of it. That is the rule of survival (animal instinct). The

    Pentecostals and protestants were using this to take advantege of

    this. ( Remember the old story of Fox and two lambs.).



7) I would like to comment on  shaji's observation of Matthew 5

    Our Lord teaches the fundamentals of Christian teaching. He says LOVE

    ALL, unconditionally. That is my understanding. That does not

    translate into DISOBEY the church.  Because it is the same God who

    said, keep away from perverts of Gospel.



For example,

A) The whole of Chapter two written by St. Peter, deals about this.

    This is very significant, as he was the administrative head of the

    church. In short, chapter two tells us that that they and their

    followers will be punished in the most heinous manner.



B) "If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine,

    do not receive him into your house nor greet him" (2 John 10)



C) One Should keep away from (avoid) such people. (Rom 16: 17,18 )



D) They (such heretics) are accursed, even if they are from heaven.(Gal1:6,8)



F) "There will be false teachers, prophets…. who will

    bring in destructive heresies even denying the Lord who bought them and

    bring themselves to self-destruction? And many will follow their

    destructive ways….. because of whom the way of truth will be

    blasphemed.  By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive

    words. For a long time their judgment has not been idle and their

    destruction does not slumber" (2 Peter 2: 1-3).



So are they all conflicting? If people are gone out of church

keep away from them. But dont hate them. That is the way I see it.



What should we do ?



1 Timothy  3:14 said so " church is the foundation of truth ". So don't look

here and there.



Philippians 4:9 say – a believer has to do   4 things `DO what you have LEARNED,

and RECEIVED, HEARD and SEEN" The God of peace with you.



So dont make your decisions based on  Holy Book alone. See what church do and

follow it.



Hope this helps



Paul Philipose

St.Ignatious JSC, Dallas

"Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the

devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against

the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and

against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on

the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to

stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand" (Ephesians

6:11-13, NIV).



"When temptations come, let us ask God for strength -- and also to show us the

way He has prepared for our escape. One other word of counsel; be very sure that

we do not deliberately place ourself in a position to be tempted. All of us are

not subjected to the same weaknesses and temptations. To one, alcohol may be a

temptation; to another, it may be impure thoughts and acts; to another, greed

and covetousness; to another, criticism and an unloving attitude. Regardless of

what it may be, be sure that Satan will tempt us at our weak point, not the

strong. Our Lord has given us an example of how to overcome the devil's

temptations. When He was tempted in the wilderness, He defeated Satan every time

by the use of the Bible."



Prayer



Lord, we want to withstand the attacks of the devil. Help us to rely on Your

Word and to trust in Christ's victory over sin to defeat temptation. Show us how

to love one another and stand together against evil. We pray in Jesus' name.

Amen.



In HIS Love

Thomas Daniel (Reji)

St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church

Cheppaud, Kerala, India.

----Original Message Follows----

From: "Dr.GeorgeK John"

To: socm-forum-owner@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: St. Greegorios of Paravoor

Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:11:46 +0100 (BST)



Dear All,

while going through the site of St.Thomas Jacobite Church in N.Paravoor i could

recollect a story related to the saint which i thought to share with all and to

be corrected if it is wrong.



while the saint staying in the church one day it happened so that saint's ring

was stollen. saint was deeply moved about it because it was the ring given to

him by his sister while leaving for malankara. saint enquired with every one in

vain. one day after the holy querbana saint sorrowfully told people to return it

before he curse the thief. saint showed the burning of a fruit which may happen

to the man at last. still there was no result. all were searching every where

before saint curse. they noticed a crow sitting on the tree at the church

compound. it was not moving from the tree even after people threw stones on it.

finally one man climbed on the tree and took the bird which was burned to death.

that bird was carrying the ring in between its beak.



St.Greegorios was respected as a holy man by all in the church. several people

got refuge from him. his death was also a very peculiar incident. with all those

proof it took long 200 years for us to declare him as a saint. Howeve; he was

respected as saint long before. His intercession is helping the people

irrespective of relegion and factions.



with prayers

Dr.GeorgeK John

St Gregorios Orthodox Church, Sharjah

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Web Pages of St. Greegorios of Paravoor

http://www.saintgregorios.org/PARAVUR/Paravur_Church.htm

http://paravurchurch.cjb.net/

Dear Moderators,



In SOCM Digest No.944 one Mr. Peter Shaji has written about Denver Church issue

and claimed as a member of St.Ignatious Jacobite Syrian Church, Vazhamuttom

East.



Very Rev. P.J. Joseph Cor-episcopa, who has been serving the above mentioned

Parish for the last 50 years, confirms that there is no member in the name of

Peter Shaji in the members' register of St.Ignatious Jacobite Syrian Church,

Vazhamuttom East.



I talked to Cor-epioscopa Achen just now and he authorized me to post his

confirmation in the forum's next posting. Very Rev. Achen was surprised to hear

what Peter Shaji has written in the forum and he clarified that no member of the

said Parish shall ever write or think in such a manner.



It shows that some people may be appearing in the Forum by giving wrong names of

selves and parishes, etc. to flash their views and misguide the readers. Please

take extra care before posting anybody's opinion in the forum.



Please post the above confirmation/clarification in the next issue of the SOCM

Forum.



With prayers,



Jacob V Joshua

St. Peter's Cathedral, New Delhi

St.Ignatious Jacobite Syrian Church, Vazhamuttom East.

Dear Br. CJ Varghese.. Your reply to my little note in digests No.933,

  Re. Is it Christanity?



Your observations I observed, it is very much suitable to you, because your

thinking are like Aryan’s in India. They feel, they are the original Indians and

there is no place for Dravidians nor their languages. History is changed in that

manner and ruling as per the syllabus. Today’s Children’s are arguing like you

and satisfying with the observations. You should not be like horse, where their

both sides of eye covered to see the front side only. Do not argue what you have

seen in front, but to realize that both sides are also filled with reality. But

in this age no one is realizing it, that is the sorry fact.



It is to bring your kind notice that, our Christanity completed 2000 years and

not 100 or 4 years. To answering for the bad deed happening now, our forefathers

are not alive, and we are not going to trust them or believe them. It is due to

our loyalty to someone and not certainly to Christanity. Myna sung the song what

their Lord taught. Mr. Varghese, In my opinion JSO or IOC whatever may be, if

the presence of God is not visible, it is like a Idol of stone. Do not think

like Aryan’s… reality is always proving…later on.



KJ Geevarghese (Babu)

St.Mary’s OS Church- Ahmedabad.

Dear brothers



Is he Orthodox or Jacobite? Evey one knows the answer. He is the

one of the greatest scholars of Jacobite Chruch of this century.

For those who have not met him,it is worth making a trip to

Thiruvalla and meet him.



So how does IOC see him? Here is post by our some IOC member in

Oriental orthodx form.



"....., Try CLS book center, Thiruvalla or ask them where you

can get a copy. I got my copy directly from Kaniyamparambil Achen, as

well as few other books with his sign on it. You may find it also at

the Orthodox bookshop opposite to CMS College, Kottayam. There you

can buy a lot of books by authors from the Orthodox church, prayer

books etc."



He did not say Acahn is orthodox. But a nave could be easily confused.

That is the trick.  They did the same thing to OUR SAINT

Parumala thirumeni. He is NOT IOC saint ( they could call him saint

just like hindus too). IOC does every thing

opposite to Parumal thirumeni taught and lived for. But IOC was able

to "market "   our great saint. What a shame !!

(To do justice to this great saint All you have to do is spent 10mts

are visit http://www.parumalathirumeni.com )



If he was alive now, what he would have done now? He would have been

defending the JSC more  than any one now. Probably more than our

Catholicose itself, Like he did against the Marthomites....



Any way  some time in future, IOC will propagate that

Kaniyamparambil achan was a champion of IOC and books will come out

and "his"torians will write books. I am sure.



Worse, they could even say H.B Thomas 1 was IOC saint. Some of you

might me thinking "Nay" !. If they could tell people that Parumala

thirumeni is their saint, they could do this too.



After all they did try to get thier "next" saint HB Baselious Paulose

II's tomb. I am sad that IOC was able to get a place he spent lot of

time in his prayer through a cheat.



But you guys, who read this, make a promise to the chruch and the Lord

to stay faithful to the church and to the faith. And dont betray the

church when some IOC memeber offer some goodies like a wedding or

job or social status or a position. All I am saying is they are

all temporary, but remaining in faith is eternal. ( Remeber Jada

got some goody too ..)



Where they can confess all this this sins of this curelty and

betrayel ?  Some time i Think!



Regards



Paul Philipose

St. Ignatious  JSC

Dallas

Peace and grace to you all beloved family of Christ.



Praises and thanks be to our Almighty God and faithful

Shepherd.



SUCCESS COMES IN CANS



I do believe; help my unbelief (Mark 9:24).



Twenty Cans of Success



1 Why should I say I can't when the Bible says I can

do all things through Christ who gives me strength

(Philippians 4:13)?



2 Why should I lack when I know that God shall supply

all my needs according to His riches in glory in

Christ Jesus (Philippians 4:19)?



3 Why should I fear when the Bible says God has not

given me a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a

sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7)?



4 Why should I lack faith to fulfill my calling,

knowing that God has allotted to me a measure of faith

(Romans 12:3)?



5 Why should I be weak when the Bible says that the

Lord is the strength of my life and that I will

display strength and take action because I know God

(Psalm 27:1; Daniel 11:32)?



6 Why should I allow Satan supremacy over my life when

He that is in me is greater than he that is in the

world (1 John 4:4)?



7 Why should I accept defeat when the Bible says that

God always leads me in triumph (2 Corinthians 2:14)?



8 Why should I lack wisdom when Christ became wisdom

to me from God and God gives wisdom to me generously

when I ask Him for it (1 Corinthians 1:30; James 1:5)?



9 Why should I be depressed when I can recall to mind

God's lovingkindness, compassion and faithfulness, and

have hope (Lamentations 3:21-23)?



10 Why should I worry and fret when I can cast all my

anxiety on Christ who cares for me (1 Peter 5:7)?



Lord, thank You for Your loving care reflected in the

incredible promises in Your Word.



...



From daily in Christ



Yours in Christ,

Mussie O

Eritrean Orthodox Tewahdo Church

Dioceses of U.S.A and Canada

Dear Moderators



Mr Jacob V Joshua was questioning my identity. I am Shaji Peter,From St

Ignatious Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church Vazhamuttom East. Ver Rev Fr P J

Joseph Cor Episcopa is our Vicar there. My Home address is Madukkamoottil house

And I am the older son of Mr M D Patrose And Saramma Peter. I was baptised in

the same church and my wedding was conducted in the same church. My older son

was baptised in the same church where Mr Jacob V Joshua , Mr Paul V Josua,Mr

Varghese V Josua,Mr Thomas V Joshua are members.My Younger son was baptised at

st Mary's Church Manarcad and it was done by Ver Rev Fr P J Joseph.



My e-mail id is begining with peter,that is my last name,may be that was a

confusion for them. My grand parents names were Late Mr Yohannan Daniel and Late

Mrs Mariamma Daniel. Month ago my younger brothers daughter was baptised in the

same Ignatious church Vazhamuttom.



I think this is sufficient for my identity. If you have any furthe questions

please feel free to call Mr Jacob V Joshua or Ver Rev Fr P Joseph Corepiscopa

achan.



About the posting I did, Was not for an arguement, and I am not able to argue

with anybody at all. But I think I have my own freedom of thinking. So what I

post was my openion. If his openion is different that is ok with me.



I have only one arguement in my life that about my saviour Jesus Christ. I don't

care You are SOC you are IOC, you are pentecost, you are marthomite,you are

Catholic, Evangelist what ever!



Shaji Peter

St.Ignatious Jacobite Syrian

Church,Vazhamuttom East.

Dear brothers,



I had an opportunity to stay with our late HB Baselious Paulose II Bava.

For three years. In next few posts I will  share my experiences with

him. There are other people who had amazing experiences. Hopefully

they will share theirs too here.



My parents or family never knew Bava personaly.  When I got admission

to engineering, one friend of mine ( Saji- who died some 8 years back

in a car accident - may his soul rest in peace) told me that Bava

like "students who are good in studies " and if you approach he may

let me stay there. So I apporached Bava. He was sleeping when I

reached there. But once he got up, he asked which church I am from. I

answered him. And he said "You can stay here!".  And I sayed in a

room. Some time Bava will knock the door and come into the room

in white paijama and will enquire studies for which I will give a

nervous answer...



A few months into my stay there, an incident happened. At that time

caluclators where difficult to get (imagine that!) we have to get it

illegaly. So my cousin from USA gave me one. But soon it was broke.

So I got another from my cousin in  Gulf. It was precious for me.

But while commuting to my school in a line bus , I lost it. In the

evening i waited for the the bus to come to ask them. They did not

come. I was sure i have lost it and did not want to face my parents

over it.



I went to Bava and told him, if he prays I will get my calculator

back. He said " Can't you get another one ?" I said it is difficult.

He said he will pray.



Next day, I waited for the bus to come. I asked the conductor if any

one handed over a calulator. He said no. and added " it was market

day yesterday and bus was full. in the evening they gave bus for wash

and even if there was anyting either some people or people who washed

the bus might have stolen it".  I gave up hope. I got into the bus

and sat in the seat where I used to sit. I looked down and found

my calulator in between seat and body of the busy,hidden, not seen

by all the passengers who sat there, for  24 hours and not even seen

by peple who washed it.! I took it, thought about Bava. I could not

even still forget how some one did not see it?



Regards



Paul Philipose

St. Ignatius JSC

Dallas

Dear Sir,



I havent posted messages here before but seeing this I just wanted to ask a few

questions to the author. You are making a big deal out of somebody mentioning

about buying a book.How sure are you the IOC person was trying to confuse

others. Wasn't he just talking about a book. Why do you complicate things and

blow it out of proportion. You are right that Parumala Thirumeni wouldnt have

supported all these fights if he were alive now. And why do you say IOC

"marketed" Parumala Thirumeni, is he some kind of product?. Be a true Jacobite

Christian by loving and praying to God, not by hating IOC and publishing

messages of hatred.Use your valuble time and energy for betterment of Jacobite

Church or teach the younger generation in this forum about beleifs of the

church.



Pardon me if I offended you .

Varghese

St.Mary's Orthodox Church

Detroit, MI

Reading: Gospel according to St. Matthew 15: 32 – 39.



Dear and Respected Brethren,



It is a fact that there is fall in the number of faithful attending the

weekly worships in the Churches across the globe, contrary to our traditions

and practices. Till recently there was a good system in our families. Elders

used to take special care in this matter. Now many faithful go to church

only at occasions of their choice and convenience. And only half of these

churchgoers will only be going to Church with clear intentions, preparations

and faith. The other half goes to church because they are used to go or they

are forced to keep up the tradition.  We could listen so many types of

criticisms against the churchgoers from others who get back from attending

the worships and sacraments. Their argument, which might be impressive for

others, might be like “what is the use in going to Church simply”.

In Verse 32 we read “Then Jesus called his disciples unto him and said I

have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three

days and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest

they faint in the way”. No one could say that the multitude as a whole had

the same sort of faith, hope and understanding. But the mercy and compassion

of our Lord fell on them alike. Likewise all the churchgoers, whether they

hold the same sort of faith and virtuous qualities, they will be blessed.



We are familiar of God’s compassion from Psalms 86.15, Psalms 103.13, Psalms

111.4, and St. Mark 1:41, Hebrews 2:47, Hebrews 4:15, Hebrews 5:2 etc. When

our Lord asked the disciples to feed the multitude, they were really

surprised and they got worried about the bulk quantity of bread needed. They

started thinking from where they could have so much bread to satisfy the

multitude. They might have remembered the experience of Moses and they might

have compared themselves to Moses explained in Numbers 11: 21-22.or to the

servant of Prophet Elijah explained in 2 Kings 4:43. In verse 34 Lord Jesus

asks them ”How many loaves you have?” Lord was sure that the Apostles had

nothing with them. So it is clear that our Lord intended to know how many

loaves they could collect. In our daily lives we must be asking so many

needs to Lord God. When we would present the tables of our petitions, our

kind Lord God must be asking us “How many you have” or how much you could

arrange. This emphasizes the need for our own effort to solve the Herculean

or very simple obstacles, though the gifts are the blessings from God

Almighty. In Malayalam there was an old saying “Than Paathi, Daivam Paathi”.

(Half is your share and the other half of God) No one of the Apostles did

say “Lord were we not with you till this moment, why are you asking us how

many loaves we have. You don’t know that we did not go out for shopping etc”

If we were in their place definitely we would have asked so. When Lord

commanded the Apostles to feed the multitude, they went around among them it

and searched the availability of something favorable. It is a clear proof

that the blessed Apostles had a similar mind of Lord God. So they were able

to collect seven loaves of bread and a few little fishes.



This must be our eye opener. We summon a long list of petitions and

supplications to God, whenever we would come to God, either in homely

fellowships or in the house of God. It is our understanding that we have to

pray for our needs. We might pray ourselves or we might ask others to pray

for us. At least a few might seek the intercession of the Saints and the

departed faithful. Nothing more than that. We must learn to understand the

will of God in the matter. We must try to learn the way in which our needs

could be achieved Lord Jesus ordered the Apostles to feed the multitude and

specifically did not ask them to search among the multitude. But they were

able to do so. We must learn that sort of solution of problems.



Here also Lord Jesus took the bread and fishes in His arms and gave thanks

and broke them and gave to His disciples, same as he did in St. Matthew

14:19 (with five loaves of bread and two fishes) In Verse 36 we read, ”And

he took the seven loaves and the fishes and gave thanks and broke them, and

gave to disciples and the disciples to the multitude. And again in Verse 37

we read, “And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the

broken meat that was left seven baskets full. (Kindly refer Deuteronomy

8:10, I Samuel 9:13 and St. Luke 22:19)



Again this portion reminds us to be grateful to all gifts and blessings we

would enjoy in our daily lives. Let us be in a position like the psalmist to

praise God for all blessings. (Kindly see Psalms 103:1-5, Psalms 104.28,

Psalms 136.25, Psalms 145.15, and Psalms 147:9.



May God bless us all.



Jose Kurian Puliyeril

St. George Orthodox Church

Abu Dhabi

Dear sir,

Pl this to find whether I can get the emial I.D of moolayil achen.

Regards

V.M. Thomas

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Kuriakose Corepiscopa Moolayil

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Director, Mor Adai Study Centre &

Vicar, St.George J.S.O.Church, Chicago.

PULIKKOTTIL MOR DIVANASIOS V JOSEPH (1833-1909)



        July 11 is the 95th memory of Malankara Metropolitan Pulikottil Joseph

Mor Divanasious. He is one of those illustrious fathers of the Jacobite Syrian

Church. For nearly four & half decades he led the Malankara Church; first as the

assistant of Apostolic delegate Mor Kurillos Yuyakim (Mulanthuruthy) and later

as the chief (Malankara Metropolitan)of the Malankara Edavaka/Archdiocese. Mor

Divanasious Pulikottil is widely acknowledged as the architect of the modern

Malankara Church.



Born in the 'Pulikottil' family of Kunnamkulam, Mor Divanasious V was ordained

Metropolitan by Patriarch Ignatius Yakub II at the Church at Amida, Turkey in

1865.  He continued his service to Malankara Church with the blessings of His

Holiness’ successors in office, Their Holiness Mor Peter IV and Abdulla II.



Mor Divanasious was the Metropolitan in a period when the European protestant

Missionaries were trying to introduce anti-orthodox faith with the help of

British.  As a result, many of the churches in Central Travancore including the

lone Seminary of the Jacobite Syrian Christians at Kottayam then came under the

influence of the Church Missionary Society (C.M.S). During this period he had to

struggle very hard. Patriarch Mor Ignatius Peter IV’s arrival in Malankara in

1875 and the subsequent events was a great relief for Pulikottil Thirumeni and

the Malankara Church. Since then the Government and judiciary under British

rule, function impartially. But the internal administration of the Malankara

Church remained a complicated affair because of the interference of Palakunnath

Methran. Consequently the Patriarch held series of discussions with the

representatives of the Syrian Christian community.



In June 1876, Patriarch Mor Ignatius Peter IV convened a Synod at the

Mulunthuruthy Marthoman Church, which gave birth to the popular and democratic

'Malankara Syrian Christian Association'; a body comprising of representatives

from the Parishes of Malankara. As per the decision of this historic Synod,

Malankara Edavaka (Syrian Archdiocese in India) was divided into six new

dioceses for administrative convenience, and  Metropolitans were ordained for

each (St.Gregorios of Parumala was one of those new Metropolitans ordained by

the Patriarch Mor Ignatius Peter IV). Decision was also taken to elevate the

senior most Metropolitan of Malankara Church Mor Divanasious Joseph Pulikottil,

as the first Metropolitan President of the newly formed Association and as the

chief of the local Synod, with the designation MALANKARA METROPOLITAN. Since

then His Excellency came to be called 'Mor DIVANASIOS V', he being the fifth

Metropolitan of the Indian Church known in the same name.



During his reign Mor Divanasious did many things for the social development of

the members of the Church. He established the Parumala Seminary and the St.

Thomas Press at Kottayam Seminary, authorized printing of Texts for the liturgy

(Thaksa) and festivals, started Monthly magazines under the titles ‘The

Malankara Edavaka Patrika’ and the ‘The Syrian Evangelist’. Many schools

including the M.D. Seminary High School (1892) at Kottayam were established by

him. Mor Divanasious was the founder of the Trivandrum Church and Monastery at

Vettickal.



The famous Church historian, E M Philip Edavazhikkal, the author of the book

‘The Indian Church of St.Thomas’, was his most trusted aide. E M Philip was also

the secretary of the Pulikottil Mor Divanasious Metropolitan.



In 1901 the silver jubilee of his ordination was celebrated at Kottayam in an

unprecedented manner. There were some disheartening events during these times.

In 1902, Chathuruthy Mor Gregorios Geevarghese Metropolitan, who was considered

to be his successor, passed away. In 1907 Kadavil Mor Athanasius Paulose of

Ankamaly-Kottayam diocese also passed away. Later in 1908 Patriarach Abdulla II

ordained two Metropolitans, Mor Koorilos Paulose Kochuparambil and Mor

Divanasios Wattasseril, for the Malankara Church at St. Mark's Dayro, Jerusalem.



On 11th July 1909 Malankara Metropolitan  Pulikottil Mor Divanasious V was

called to his heavenly abode at the age of 76.  His body was entombed on the

northern side of the Old Seminary Church, Kottayam.



The biography of Pulikottil Mor Divanasious V, published in connection with the

Jubilee celebrations of his sacramental ordination (1901) gives an insight to

the history of the Church in the 19th century. To the students of Church history

it’s a very interesting as well as an informative book. This book is to be

republished soon by us. The most interesting part of this biography of Mor

Divanasious Methran is the elaborate description of his journey to the

Patriarchal head quarters in Turkey in 1865. Of the total 144 pages in the book,

87 pages are dedicated exclusively for this section. The travelogue begins with

the 5th chapter ('Anthiochia Yathra Alochana') and ends with the 19th chapter

('Tigris Mudal Bombay Vare'). If it was printed earlier, this would have been

the first printed travelogue in Malayalam. (The first printed version of a

travelogue available in Malayalam is that of Parumala Thirumeni - ‘Oorsalem

Yathra Vivaranam’, published in 1895)



Biography:

http://malankarachurch.org/PULIKOTTIL/Pulikottil.htm

http://malankarachurch.org/PULIKOTTIL/Pulikkottil.htm



John Philip

St. Joseph's Cathedral, Kottayam

Beloved Jesus,

Grant that I rest in you above all things,

above all creatures,

above all Your angels,

above all praise,

above all rejoicing and exultation,

above all glory and honour,

above all heavenly hosts,

For You alone are the Most High,

You alone are the Almighty and Good above all things,

May You come to me and relieve me,

and release me from my chains,

and grant me freedom,

because without You my joy is not complete,

without You my table is empty.



Warm regards,



Daniel Shamoun

Syrian Orthodox Church

Sweden - Trollhättan

<"Was Parumala Thirumeni one of our Orthodox Bishops? I see some of the Jacobite

Church website also claim Holy father as one of their bishops. Could someone in

this form clarify this for me. Thank you for your precious time?">



Dear all,



Most of the IOC persons though financially in better positions, don’t know much

about the Orthodox Christianity, its history or traditions. They blindly follow

some of their leaders who want to import their vested interests. These leaders

in turn, mould the younger generation in such a way that they always remain

obedient to them.



It is the ignorance of faithful that resulted in the formation of a number of

Churches in Kerala and world over.  It is easy for an ignorant person to fall

prey to misleading stories. Proper Sunday school education is only the way to

teach younger generation the truth. For that we must send our Children to Sunday

Schools. Here the parent’s role is very important. Many of us have time to send

our children for various extra curricular activities but not the Sunday Schools.



Paul Pothen,

St.Peter's Ernakulam.

When will this Methran Kakshi stop filing cases against the Church? Are they not

satisfied with what they have already snatched from the Jacobite Christians?



PC Alexander says his group has crores and crores of rupees as asset,

Catholicose Mathews II admit that he spends crores of rupees for court cases.

This group has no problem in giving away the land worth crores of rupees of the

Church, freely to Malayala Manorama (Kottayam H.O).



But still this Methran Kakshi is after our Church, its properties.



The Fox Always Watching The Hen House !!



Mathew Varkey

Kottayam Cheriapally

Dear Varghese !



   Was that a hatred email ?  No.  Just plain fact.  I just pointed

out the way IOC twists things.  This was a small example.



I used the term "marketing" becasue IOC DONOT  believe in what

Parumala thirumeni stood for.  All they want is the income

in the name of Thirumeni.  They cant obey him.  They criticize

the synod he organized and its dicisions.  IOC deplore the Holy See,

for which Thirumeni worte



"...My weak selves will never, at any day, violate the decisions,

rules, and canon laws particularly noted in this declaration as well

as those omitted from this declaration for brevity but stated here

as the many other canon laws, decisions, rules, practices, and

customs of the Jacobite Syrians, any commandments of Your Holiness

or those of the Patriarchs".."



IS  IOC or its followers doing this?. Thirumeni continues ...



"oppose or be silent and never join other ways opposed to the faith

of the Jacobite Syrians or do anything or accept anything opposed to

the customs of our Syrian Church, or ever believe in any doctrine

contrary to those of the three Holy Synods"



Is  IOC obeying this ?





"If indeed I DO, as were Satan and Cain CURSED BY GOD, I will be

accursed and execrated FROM  the mouths of GOD, the HEAD of THE

APOSTLES, Apostle Patros, and his eleven brothers, the Apostles of

our Lord Meshiha, the fiery Mor Ignatios, the holy fathers who

participated in the three Holy Synods"[ block letters by me to

empahsis ]



So what is Parumala thirumeni saying in above para? Are you CURSED?

Just think .



Again thiruemni writes ..



"in addition will be SEPARATED FROM GOD's HOLY CHURCH and the

communion of the Holy Mysteries and removed and distanced from the

blessings and positions I have received and stripped of the white

robes of high priesthood. May God's wrath be upon me! "



This is all i am writing in this forum.  That IOC is separated

from  HOLY  CHURCH and communion. PARUMALA  THIRUMENI worte this.

(

http://sor.cua.edu/Personage/MGregoriusGChathuruthil/18761216shalmootho.html)



Dear varghese tell me how i wrote is  hatred ?  Are you in  holly

communion?  Is  Parumala thirumeni wrote is all rubbish?  IOC have

been saying what he did is not correct. ( Read msg 4470 and 4488).



You think this is hatred becasue you did not like it. But that is

true.  When you go to parumala thirumeni's tomb next time  just

remeber that you are standing opposite to what this great saint said

and lived for .... and persecuting a church he was the member of.."



In Christ



paul Philipose

St. Ignatious  JSC

Dallas

Mr. Varghese of St.Mary's Orthodox Church, Detroit, MI, in Digest Number 951

wrote as a reply to Paul Reji…..



“How sure are you the IOC person was trying to confuse others. Wasn't he just

talking about a book. Why do you complicate things and blow it out of

proportion……..Be a true Jacobite Christian by loving and praying to God, not by

hating IOC and publishing messages of hatred…...”

                        ------------------



Dear Varghese,



    Don’t try to blame Paul Reji for the letter. It all began because of one Paul

Ommen who replied to an enquiry about Kaniamparambil Achen’s Bible. The issue

started like this. One day a Malaylaee member of that forum (Oriental Orthodox

forum) enquired the place where the Malayalam Pesihito Bible translated by

Kaniamparambil Achen is available.  A few Jacobite members gave the name of the

book stall. Then came the indirect reply of Paul Omen who instead of giving a

direct reply, tried to answer it in a way to project his faction. But this is

his usual style. This Paul Omen is well known in many internet forums as a

person who usually writes many stupidities. He is a person who publishes lot of

highly objectionable messages to spread hatred and rumours.



Here I am enclosing a message posted by this Paul Omen in that OO forum. You can

judge the standard of this Paul Omen from this. The second paragraph of the

below message needs special attention. (Though this message is highly

disgraceful for the Jacobite community,  i am posting the following message to

expose the character of this man called Paul Ommen)



==============================================================

From:    p_oommen2001

To:   oriental_orthodoxy

Date:   Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:13:17 IST



Mathew,  Ragarding H.B. Thomas 1, it was told by H.G. Mar Eusebius. H.G. Mar

Eusebius discussed the issues with H.H. Patriarch in 1998 (a photo published in

recent book of H.G.), at that time the Patriarch was agreeing to the opinion of

IOC. Four Jacobites bishops accepted the unity (initially it was the Patriarch

who encouraged them to stand for unity).



All these efforts were sabotaged by H.B. Thomas 1 in 2002.  H.B. Thomas 1 went

to Damascus and there he threatened the Patriarch that if he is not ordained a

Catholicos, he will die there with out consuming food (Satyagraha, which is a

form of struggle commonly used in India to achieve goals). Since Syria is ruled

by Baath party and any such indicent would affect the Patriarch, H.B. Thomas 1

was ordained with a new title specially created for him, namely 'Catholicos of

India'.



-Paul

==============================================================



Koshy George, Baroda

Thumpamon Valiyapally



NB:-Does anyone knows who this Paul Omen is ?; sounding similar to Thomas P who

too uses words like “Syria is ruled by Baath party” etc? A double role ?.

Possibly because of the presense of such persons /dual charcaters, people like

Joshua mistaken the identity of Shaji Peter.

Dear Respected and friends,



Pulikkottil thirumenimar were rising stars in malankara church and made great

contributions and passed away. today their memory has been contained to their

'dhukronos'. Malankara Church could not make any remarkable monumant in their

names. Even in Kunnamkulam they were considered so common as what is written in

scripture- no prophets in their village is felicitated.



i remember a story about this great leader to show his timely action and

courrage which i thought to share with all. thirumeni was travelling in a

country boat from kunnamkulam to kottayam. on the way in water some robbers

approached the boat. thirumeni was sleeping. the amarakkar were frightened and

cried for help. thirumeni got up and came out from his room and went to the tip

of the boat. he kept one leg over to the edge of the boat and shouted at the

robbers. the robbers got freezed their blood and went away silently.



later they asked in kunnamkulam ' ethra methranmar undu engane nasranikalkku'.

there was only one methran.



thirumeni was the great high priest of malankara. it is our humble obligation to

remember HE in our liturgy as a great 'Guru' of malankara.



with prayers

Dr.George

St Gregorios Orthodox Church, Sharjah

Beloved in Christ,



Below you will find photos from the Syriac Orthodox Youth Convention

held just recently (July 1-4th).  In the photos, you can see photos

of Aphraim Cyril Thirumeni, Severios Thirumeni (Knanayas), and Tithos

Thirumeni celebrating Qurbana.



http://www.soayo.com/Activities/convention.htm



Pray for our bishops and also remember the youth in your prayers.



Mike Wingert

St. Mary's Simhasana JSO Church,

Santa Fe Springs, CA

Dear  shaji and josua



Isn't it surprising that people dont know each other these days belong to same

church?  Modern names , migration to other cities and change of culture have all

made people strangers. At that time people would invite every one for some

family occation ..



I was able to talk to my friend Mr.Kuriacose from Delhi( and who belong to same

exteded family) from this forum.  We had not talked since  1986 :)



There was a time when every  one in my church  knew me( St. Mary's, S.Marday). I

knew every one too.  But when I reach home in my mother church Now there is

hardly any one who know me.... 20 years gap is so big.



It looks like u guys know each other.  ( at least family wise ) Hope you guys

meet and share your nostalgia :)



And regarding opinions, it is true , this form is for sharing opinions. and

learn ... too.



Any way where is Vazhamuttam and can you shed a some ligt on the church and its

history for us .



God bless us all ..



With prayers



Paul Philipose

St.Ignatious  JSC, Dallas

I am a member of Thiruvalla St George Church



I would like to get an idea about is it any cd or casette published on syriac

music eccaara in our church where can i get it?



If anybody knows please respond



Subin

Panamootttil

Thiruvalla

Dear and Respected Brethren,



Ordination is the process through which ordinary laymen would be anointed and

authorized as clergy to serve the sacraments to the faithful. In the tradition

of the Orthodox Churches there are three steps of ordination viz. Deacons,

Priests and Bishops. Usually one would be ordained step by step (one after the

other). The right of ordination rests with the Bishop. Usually a Bishop will use

the right to ordain Deacons and priests only. Bishops are usually ordained by a

Catholicose or a Patriarch, One thing is to be clearly understood that a Bishop

or a Catholicose or a Patriarch who happens to be the celebrant of the

ordination, he is only a media of God's action. When an ordinary layman is

granted the "Kai vaipu" to become an altar Assistant, the celebrant utters "the

Holy Spirit calls you to serve His Holy Altar" and takes the hand of the

candidate in the celebrant's hand and guides him in. We must consider if it is

the case with the Altar assistants, how great would be the role of Holy Spirit

in the matter of the really ordained of priesthood. Please bear in mind that the

celebrant who grants the "Kai vaipu" to a faithful is not telling, "from this

moment, you are authorized to serve the altar or I am giving you the authority

to serve the altar".



"Kroithod Ruho" (Call of the Holy Spirit) is the most important part of

ordination. The celebrant as well as the congregation would pray for the

indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon the individual who accepts the ordination.

When the Holy Spirit descends upon the candidate/s, the process of ordination

takes the full and final stage. The ordained becomes a part and parcel of the

Holy Spirit. In other words the ordination granted to him stays permanent until

his death. No human being could take it away or remove it or forbid the action

of the Holy Spirit in an ordained person.



Generally we are trying to understand the spiritual matters in the light of

human experiences and understanding. Spiritual matters are to be evaluavated

spiritually itself. Often we forget this phenomenon. That is what happened when

Mr. Shaji Peter wrote: "When a priest is ordained, the ordination stays in him

for ever" in "SOCM Digest". Though what he wrote was correct, many who responded

to it expressed different opinions. Many were criticizing Mr. Shaji Peter. But

unfortunately no one favored what Mr. Shaji wrote. All who responded were of the

opinion that the Head of the church could take back the priesthood granted to

the excommunicated.



Now let us see what is excommunication. Excommunication literally means cut

offfrom participation in sacrament or from all communication with the Church.

A Patriarch or Catholicose could excommunicate one all under his administration,

irrespective of their ranks of clergy under his administration in the above

meaning. It is only an administrative and more often a matter of discipline, and

purely a human arrangement. It has nothing to do with the priesthood granted to

them by God Almighty. It is not my own opinion or opinion of the faction to

which I do belong. While analyzing the Denver issue many had hinted about the

priesthood of Jude Iscariot and tried to establish that Lord had withdrawn his

priesthood. In the Holy Bible it is not mentioned that our Lord Jesus had

withdrawn the priesthood from Jude Iscariot. The Church Fathers and Scholars are

of the opinion that our Lord had waited till the last moment for the repentance

and return of Jude Iscariot. But it did not take place. So we cannot say that

our Lord won't forgive him the very next moment.



My intention in writing this note is not to question the rights and privileges

of the Head of the church or to hurt anyone's feelings and faith. It is just a

plea to one and all to evaluate all matters in the view of Lord Jesus or better

call it a Christian point of view. (As the view without prejudice is known as

scientific point of view) Let us think how our Lord would have noticed it. For

the Denver issue we had to put an end with the Kalpana of H.G. Mar Titus

Thirumeni. My humble reading about the issue is :



1)The IOC priests had to stay back in the Azhikkakam, instead of rushing to the

sanctuary.



2)The JOC vicar had to consult His Grace and had to inform the IOC Priests as

soon as they came in the Church about the decision.



What is happened is happened. Let us close the chapter and look forward for the

spiritual growth Let us pray for the active participation of the Holy Spirit in

both factions and lead us to His glory in His truth and wisdom.



May God bless us all.

Jose Kurian Puliyeril

St. George Orthodox Church

Abu Dhabi

Dear members



We Moderators do not take or assume any responsibility for the particulars given

by the advertiser. Concerned parties are encouraged to verify the particulars.

As per the request of some advertisers we withheld the contact details and will

forward any reply to the advertiser for further personal contact.



Please read the successful stories of the matrimonial advertisement in the SOCM

forum at



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOCM-FORUM/message/4384



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Matrimonial; Code # 009/04

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Jacobite Parents from Perumany, 7 km from Perumbavoor (Angamali Diocese)invites

proposals for their son working in Dammam, Saudi Arabia as Project Co-ordinator.

Proposals to be from Middle Class family. The girl should be God fearing and

fair.



Please respond to aliyasissac@... or moderator_socm@...

(moderator_socm @hotmail.com)with code # MP-009/04



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Matrimonial; Code # 008/04

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Jacobite parents from Ernakulam Dt.invites proposals to their daughter. She is

23 years old, 5' 3". The girl is very fair, brilliant and good looking. She is

a member of the church choir and a Sunday School teacher. She had completed her

MA(economics) with first class and now doing her B.Ed course in a very reputed

college in Ernakulam Dt.



Proposals to be made from graduate youths working here or Abroad (having family

visa). The boy should be handsome and God fearing.



Please respond to moderator_socm@... (moderator_socm @hotmail.com)with

code # MP-008/04



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Matrimonial; Code # 007/04

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Uncle working in abroad seeks proposal for niece. She belongs to Jacobite family

from Angamali. 23 yrs old, very fair, good looking, and working in

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia as Nurse in King Khalid University Hospital. She is smart,

caring and very God fearing.



We invite proposals from interested parents of God fearing Jacobite Christian

boys, well qualified and having stable job. If interested, please contact with

full details.



Please respond to moderator_socm@... (moderator_socm @hotmail.com)with

code # MP-007/04



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Matrimonial; Code # 006/04

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Jacobite Parents from Kottayam Diocese invites proposals for their second son

PDC/30/168 working in MRF kottayam. Father doing business in Kottayam. Mother

Gazzetted officer in govt.One elder brother married(Working) and younger sister

studying.Graduates in any discipline or diploma holders in Nursing (GNM)prefered



Please respond to moderator_socm@... (moderator_socm @hotmail.com)with

code # MP-006/04



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Matrimonial; Code # 004/04

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Jacobite parents from Ernakulam Dt.invites proposals to their son. The boy is 30

yrs.old 5' 8". He is very handsome, brilliant(MA Rank Holder), God fearing

(Altar Boy), presently working with a leading news daily at Ernakulam Dt.



Proposals to be from Middle Class family. The girl should be God fearing and

fair. Nurses working abroad are prefered.



Please respond to moderator_socm@... (moderator_socm @hotmail.com)with

code # MP-004/04



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Matrimonial; Code # 003/04

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Jacobite parents from Kottayam invite proposals for their daughter, divorcee

with one girl child,)39 yrs.5'3", Home Science Graduate, medium complexion, very

Home loving and God fearing, from JACOBITE Widowers/ Divorcees of 40 to 45 age

group, well settled in life in India or abroad, with clean habits, positive

attitude towards life and home loving.



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code # MP-003/04



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Matrimonial; Code # 002/04

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Parents (Father - retired Civil Engineer and Mother School Teacher) from Upper

Middle Class Ancient Jacobite Family in Kayamkulam invite proposals for their

daughter (DIVORCED),Age 29, fair complexion, Height: 5'2".



Got married on 1995, it lasted for just 5 days – The boy was a drug addict

–obtained divorce both from family court and Church.



She is B.Com graduate – underwent diploma in travel management – presently

working in an MNC as Front office /Admin / Travel Coordinator / Customer Care

Executive /Course Coordinator.



We invite proposals from parents of God fearing JACOBITE BOYS OF MIDDLE CLASS

FAMILIES ONLY.



Groom should be God – fearing – non –smoker – non – alcoholic – with clean

habits well mannered – loving and caring; should be broad minded and

understanding



Photographs can be given to the parents who make genuine proposals to her father

on phone.



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with code # MP-002/04

1. Government to  care of  the ancient Kadamattom St. George Syrian Church; 

Kandanad Diocesan Metropolitan Mathews Mor Ivanios welcomes the Government

initiative.  http://www.geocities.com/malankarav7/20040712Kadamattom.htm



2. A Glance at the Pathetic condition of the Kadamattom & nearby Poyedam

Churches (External Links with photos of the ancient Churches).  

http://kadamattom.tripod.com



For more Links, visit:    http://www.geocities.com/malankarav7/news_section.htm



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This was strange. I have to tell you that ..

It was exam time. I am studying late evening. I used to study in

Bava's dining room. It was an L shaped  table which can accomodate 12

to 16 people. During synods all bishops used to sit there. At one end

Bava had a chair it had cushion on it, other chiars didn't. I would

never sit on the chair reserved for Bava.  But on the  one close to

it.  There was a door from this dining room to his guest/living room.

( all one :).  It will be closed usualy.



So it was dinner time. The door opened and Bava came to the dining

room. I was reading. I stopped it and stood up. He sat on his chair

and asked me to sit and continue reading. Imgine that ! Sitting

close to Bava ! ( and read ). I could not do that and I told him it

is my dinner time too and will go to my dinner table. For which he

said " you will not sit even if I say ?". I was in a dilemma. But

my nervouness prevailed and i smiled and went down stairs.



Next day same scenario. Dinner time. Door opens Bava sees me and

with in a fraction of a second closes the door. Then he rang the bell

for the boy and asked him to take his dinner (which is Kanji most

days ) to his room!. He told the room boy " That enginer (that is

how HB used to call me) is studying there and I dont want to disturb

him"



I did not know what to say... People with this kind of humillty

They do exist. Because I saw it. Otherwise I would not have believed it.



NB: When I read that IOC catholica invited by Mor Attanasious (Muvattupuzha)

sat on that room to plot against JSC my heart burdened.

Did this father cried from heaven ? I am certain  he did.



Regards



Paul Philipose

St. Ignatious JSC

Dallas