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#3714 From: Thomas P
Date: Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:15 pm
Subject: Purpose of this forum.
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I kindly request that we abstain from personal
attacks in this forum.

Let us focus more on church related topics and
make this forum useful to the members of the
Malankara Church, which is one body (or hope to
be one body). It is against our culture and the
aim of this forum to engage in persoanl attacks.

Thank you,
Thomas
Marth Mariam Church/ St. George Church, Thumpamon

#3715 From: Alex Jojo Joseph
Date: Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:06 am
Subject: Re: Kayamkulam Kadissa Church - Update
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Happy to hear about the just ending.

"The truth of the matter is that you always know
the right thing to do, the hard part is doing it "
--General Norman Schwarzkopf

Sincerely hope that they will keep their nose out
of our business and life atleast in the days to come..

Regards

Jojo
St. George JSO Chapel, Kavumbhagom, Thiruvalla
St. Mary's JSO Church, Queen's Road, Bangalore

#3716 From: Thomas Abraham
Date: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:13 am
Subject: New Dioceses
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Dear Baby Gleeson,

Many thanks for your reply to my posting about
new dioceses.  I don't know whether it is right
to say it should not be the authority of a particular
diocese to decide on whether to divide them into
two or three dioceses, eventhoguh they are
overpopulated exponentially!!  You mentioned that
Ankamali is having around 180 churches and I think
it is the very justifiable reason for splitting it
into minimum three dioceses.  The formation of any
diocese by any patriarch is not a justifiable reason
for holding it one eventhough it is "overpopulated"!!!
It will be better for that diocese to bifurcate and
grow again in strength.  (This is not same theory as
the so called Mani (Kerala Congress) theory- Valarum
thorum Pilarum and Pilarum thorum Valarum).

I had seen from many publications that it was the
Holy Episcopal Synod is deciding to divide the dioceses
in all other areas.  Then why it is not applicable for
Ankamali??? Why only for Ankamali it is to be decided
by that diocesan assembly???  And they never allow it!!!
Very strange!!!!  I couldn't conceive the theory behind
this!!!!!  As I see, when our Holy Episcopal Synod has
the authority to decide on to divide the other smaller
dioceses, they should also have the authority
(or courage??) to divide the Ankamaly diocese also,
instead of leaving this to that diocesan assembly.
I didn't heared or read that the division of other
dioceses was as per the request of that diocesan
assemblies!!!  Especially the Kollam, Niranam &
Thiumpamon dioceses with only less than 60 churches
altogetherand the Kandanad diocese!!! It is not right
to keep a separate area administered by a Bishop
inside another Diocese.  Why it cannot be divided and
given to that Bishop as a new diocese????  This is the
question to be answered.  I think it is high time for
our Holy Episcopal Synod to think about it and act
courageously.

As I told earlier, it is our God's great kindness to
our Church that our H.B. Catholicose is having the
courage, health and strength to lead our Church
altogether, at this age.  It is my strong feeling
that we should give enough time for our beloved Bava
to take the overall responsibility of the Church and
not in the administration matters of a large
overpopulated diocese.  When our Bava was H.G.Dionasios,
it was the circumstances forced us to give the
responsibility of so many dioceses to Bava, and as
you know, it was the decision of our Holy Synod and
not the decision of the dioceson assembly!!!

Regards

Thomas Abraham
St. Peter's Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church - Bahrain.

#3717 From: Thomas Daniel
Date: Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:40 pm
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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"The teaching of the savior and the revelation of the mysteries,
and the things hidden in silence, even these things which he
taught John, his disciple". (Apocryphon of John)

Thomas Daniel (Reji)
St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Cheppaud, Alleppy Dist, Kerala, India

#3718 From: Jerome K Alexander
Date: Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:35 pm
Subject: Malad Church
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To the moderators,

please give me the address  and contacts of our
church in mumbai(malad church). i tried the link
from sor.cua.edu, but it is not working.

in christ
Jerome Kurian

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From the desk of Moderators

The church web page http://www.maladsoonorochurch.org/
is not functioning due to some technical problems.
Please contact them on following address

St.Peter's Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church,
Malad & Borivli Service Centre.
Mit Chowk, Marve Road,
Malad(W),
Mumbai-400 064.
Tel:022-861 2121.
Vicar :Fr.Wilson Jacob

501, MD Tone Paradise,
Opp. Dahisar Bridge, Navgaon,
Dahisar(W),Mumbai-400 060.
Tel:022-894 0331.
Vicar :Fr.Mathew George

#3719 From: Mathew G M
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: Figurative references in Orthodoxy
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In the 5th Diptych (Thubdhen) of the Holy Qurbana
St. Cyril is referred to as 'firm tower' and
St. Severius, is referred to as 'the crown',
'the rational mouth' and 'the pillar'.

Why Bishops, even our Lord Jesus Christ is
referred to as 'The Lamb'. There are many such
figurative comparisons, for example St.Mary the
Mother of God is figuratively referred to as :

1) 'Burning Bush' that Moses saw.
2) The 'field' out of which the tree of life germinated
3) The 'ocean' out of which the Sun (Jesus Christ) rose.

1) Mul maram eriyathe eri thee than naduvil kandathupol,
Chinmaya na Mariyaamil Vashichu Shareeram Poondu.
2) Jeeva Marathe Mulapphicha Thiruvayalamamme
3) Daivika Suuryanuthichenna Divyambarame

These types of figurative speech in Holy Orthodoxy
should not be literally iterpreted by anyone.

Thanks,
Mathew G M
St.Johns Church, Ayyampalli


--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Thomas P wrote:
> Bishops are specially ordained people. They should
> not be equated with Roaring Lion or anything below
> them.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> Marth Mariam Church/ St. George Church Thumpamon.

#3720 From: Boney Kuriakose
Date: Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:06 am
Subject: Re: Usage of "Roaring Lion"
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Dear Mr.Thomas,

The reference of the roaring lion here is not an
equation to the lion. This is a symbolic usage
comparing the Bishop to the lion for the qualities.
Similar symbolism has been used in cases of St.Peter,
when Jesus termed him the Rock.(Did that mean St. Peter
was just some minerals, of course not). Parumala
thirumeni is refered to as Malankarayude manideepam,
does not mean that like all deeepams his light will
fade out when the oil is exhausted. So its not equating
the person to anything but is just a symbolism as
practiced in languages around the world. It just means
they were extraordinary. You yourself told that Bishops
are specially ordained people It means the same that
they are SPECIAL.

prayers
Boney Kuriakose
Senior Research Fellow,
Prof. S.S. Gnanamanickam's lab
Centre for Advanced Studies in Botany
University of Madras, Guindy Campus, Chennai

#3721 From: Thomas Thomas
Date: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:43 am
Subject: Excellent...
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Dear All,

I am proud to be a member of SOCM forum. Well it’s a
privilege to be part of this group where lot of
interactions happen based on faith , worship , news
regarding the various happenings in various parts of
our country and abroad of the Jacobite community.

Actually I am a member of Kayamkulam Kadissa Jacobite
Church, but currently based in Chennai. The info about
my church was useful. These issues were not known to me.

Like Mor Michael is referred as Roaring Lion , well he
won’t let anyone under estimate him.

Here in Chennai we have a Chapel of our own known as
St. Mary’s Jacobite Church. We are in the process of
building a church cum a study center , under the
Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Society ,  little
away from Perambur. The foundation stone was laid by
our Catholicose during His visit to Chennai on 1st
Sep 2003.

We request one and all to pray for this project and make
it a grand success.

This Forum was referred to me by my friend Mr. Thomas
Abraham of Bahrain St. Peter’s Jacobite church. I am
really grateful to him to introduce me to this forum.

Thanks & Regards,
Thomas
St. Mary’s Jacobite Church
Chennai

#3722 From: Philip Oommen
Date: Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Kayamkulam Kadissa Church- LOVE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR CHRISTIANS
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LOVE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR CHRISTIANS

The night before Jesus was crucified, Jesus decreed a new
commandment that His disciples love one another (John 13:34).
Christians, including Orthodox, should love one another under
all circumstances. We are Christians, not just neighbors. Just
love is not enough, they have to love as Jesus loved. When we
love each other non believers realize that we are Jesus’s
followers.

Orhtodox Church (IOC & SOC) claims that “we are the new testament
church of 1900 years old.  We have 100’s of departed saints in
heaven and 100’s of living saints on earth. We have the Holy Bread
from Mark’s upper room” Dear all, let us not boast on any of them
like Israelites boasted on the temple.  When Israel rebelled against
God, His glory was taken out of the temple in Jerusalem.  Then
vulture flew over the temple. Temple was built and destroyed twice.
This is a warning for the orthodox churches who are quarrelling for
the last 100 year for nothing but prejudice.  Let us ask ourselves.
Did we win? No. Always Satan won. 100’s of people lost their faith
in the ancient church, left the church and formed other denominations.
Did any one cry when people left.  No. Let us not bite and devour
one another by words or actions.(Gal 5:15)

It is not a time for battle. It is the time for harvest. A sales
executive sells his product aggressively in a money crashed market
and make profit for his company’s boss.  Better than that our church
leaders (teachers and above level) need to go to the mass and talk
about second coming of Jesus. Let us work to convince the lost
people about the need of salvation. It seems, to many, keeping Holy
Qurbana is a must on Sundays and we can disown Jesus on the streets
for convenience.

It is time to learn from history that only Satan wins battle in
the church.  Apostles received not only the Holy bread but also
the new commandment at the same night from Jesus Christ, the head
of the Church.  We have to carry out command on LOVE and Holy
Communion until HIS second coming. Because of the battle we carry
out one (Holy Communion) and leave out the other (Love).  We forgot
to battle against evil and save people.  Instead we battle against
brothers. Satan is eating God’s people like bread.(Ps 14:4).

April 8 2004  is approximately the 1974 th  anniversary of the
establishment of Holy Qurbna. The best thing we can do is to have
a combined Pesaha service. Let all church fathers (IOC and SOC)
meet and do the feet washing service. I pray for that glorious
occasion. I want Satan to be defeated in this battle by church,
as he was defeated approximately 1974 years ago on the cross by
our Jesus Christ. Let the world see the power of Jesus through
His bride.

(This devotion is issued out of pure love and affection to my
savoir Jesus Christ and Orthodox brothers and sisters, seeing
the unorthodoxy and un-Christian incidents happening currently
in the Orthodox churches)

Philip Oommen, Trivandrum
M/o St.Kuriakose Orthodox Church,
Puramattom PO

#3723 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:26 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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"With every breath you take, say the name of Jesus in prayer, remembering death
in humility. These two exercises are guaranteed to offer a great benefit."

St. Evagrios the Solitary.

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"Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to
everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has
set His seal on Him." John 6:27

#3724 From: Thomas P
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Figurative references in Orthodoxy
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Dear Mathew, I agree with you. But "roaring Lion" is a bit aggressive
terminology for me.

Regards,
Thomas
Marth Mariam Church/ St. George Church Thumpamon.

#3725 From: Deepu Varghese
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:16 pm
Subject: CHRIST THE ROCK
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dear brothers and sisters in christ,

i would like to present here what i have heard
the gospel in our assembly here in iit roorkee.

Jan 18: CHRIST THE ROCK

Exodus 17:6

"Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock
in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water
will come out of it, that the people may drink."
And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of
Israel" we see that old testament is shadows to new
testament.we can see the ROCK spoken above is LORD JESUS

1 Corinthians 10:4

"And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they
drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and
that Rock was Christ"

John 7:37
"On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus
stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let
him come to Me and drink."

John 4:14
" but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give
him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give
him will become in him a fountain of water springing
up into everlasting life."

John 19:34
"But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear,
and immediately blood and water came out"

These portions i presented here is spoken by a brother in
christ in our assembly

praise the LORD

Deepu Varghese
Iitroorkee
Andhrapradesh
St. Lukes Orthodox Church
Madras Diocese

#3726 From: Very Rev. Kuriakose Corepiscopa Moolayil
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: Figurative references in Orthodoxy
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Dear all,

I read  postings on adding some superlitive adjectives to the names of some
church fathers. Such usages are figurative expressions to limelight the life
and works of the particular person. There are other terms other than
'roaring Lion' to qualify the works of our leaders and prelates. Some say
'Visvasa MALLAN or SABHA BHASURAN or NASRANI SIMHAM, etc.

It is merely out of wilful ignorance and blind partsan spirit that some
people raise these sort of issues. They are not thinking this as 'Personal
attacks' to the glory of the leaders of the past. Speaking ill of the past
leaders of the Church, the practice of the faithful and common faith of the
fathers are also 'personal attacks' against them. Let us keep away from all
such postings and learn to respect the right of others to differ. Please
don't try to 'establish' everything other than what I profess is 'wrong' and
need to be 'corrected' like the Procretus of the mythology.

Lovingly,
Kuriakose Corepiscopa Moolayil
Director,Mor Adai Study center,
St. George M.J.S.O church Chicago.

#3727 From: V Thomas
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:03 pm
Subject: Re:Roaring Lion
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Dear ALL,

Many in IOC-as they all hail from southern part of Kerala
Do not like Michel Mor Dynasius, who was the brave
Fighter of the true church, like Agnel Michel, for God.

They all know that H.G was a big obstacle for them
In annihilating the Jacobite group as per their plan.
Mor Michel led them from the front H.G was roaring lion,
they all Were scared of H.G. In fact it is told in lighter
vein that, Ougan Catholicose evenafter getting ordained by
Patriarch, was scared to go near the tomb where Mor Dynasius
is buried,during H.B visit to Panmbady church. (Where Michel
Mor Dynasius is buried)

I can understand the hatred of IOC.
Regards
V.M.Thomas
St.Marys Syrian church,Panampady

#3728 From: Thomas Daniel
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:07 pm
Subject: Spiritual Words
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The Jewel Lost in the Mud:
Jewel=Pearl of Great
Price=the Soul

When the pearl is cast down into the mud, it becomes
greatly despised, nor if it is anointed with balsam
oil will it become more precious. But it always has
value in the eyes of its owner. Compare the children
of God: wherever they may be, they still have value
in the eyes of their Father.

-Gospel of Philip
Nag Hammadi Library

#3729 From: Babu Maracheril
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:55 am
Subject: Re: Figurative references in Orthodoxy
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Ref msg from  Mr Mathew G M, St.Johns Church, Ayyampalli
appended in digest # 794, he has given a wonderful and
well appreciated moral standing which should be adopted
by all christians.

Please note that the meaning of the word Ambaram is not
Ocean, but it is SKY;  there in the song, Virgin Mary
Mother of God is described as the Holy Sky in which
the Devine God has risen ...   Deivika sooryan and
divyaambaram -- the word ambaram has another meaning
also - it is cloth. I hope this is acceptable to you
- sorry if any feelings are hurt.

I remember and thank my Malayalam Teachers.

Your brother in Christ
Babu, Marthamariyam Valiapally  Kothamangalam

#3730 From: Rev. Fr. Wilson Jacob Philip
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:46 pm
Subject: Malad Soonoro Church- New Web address
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Dear Moderators & Members,

Due to some technical reasons, the website address
of the St. Peter's JSO Church (Malad Soonoro Church)
has been changed to
http://www.maladsoonorochurch.com

Please note the change from .org to .com

Fr. Wilson Jacob Philip,
Vicar,
St. Peter's Church (Malad Soonoro Church)

#3731 From: Deepu Varghese
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:19 am
Subject: Re:LOVE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR CHRISTIANS
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dear brother
your article is really fantastic .
i saw many orthodox christians boasting themselves
i come from an orthodox family but i feel that denomination is not
important but love for jesus.
i cud see in many churches people neglecting HOLY qurbana.
now iam here in north india .
i cud see here people showing much importance to it
actually i came to know that we shud examine ourselves before taking
part in it
i really find that there should be a drastic change in our church.
ok brother

praise the LORD
Deepu Varghese
Roorkee
Andhrapradesh
St. Lukes Orthodox Church
Madras Diocese

#3732 From: Baby Gleeson Zachariah
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Purpose of this forum
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Dear Thomas,
GREAT.

after throwing all dirty linen on the Jacobite Church,
suddenly you have decided to be a "saint".

But it would have been better if you had decided on
that before your exposure as a "multi identity".

My humble request to you is to accept decency in your
own postings before you propose the same decency on
others. most of the members of this forum know your
attitude towards the Jacobite Church by way of your
postings in IOC forum.

And when somebody want no personal mails from you, why
should you keep on sending some "links" from God only
knows sites.

Regarding "Roaring Lion" that you had pointed out( you
have got the nswer from other members already), let me
keep you informed on something else.

Some time back an IOC member was killed in a street
fight in Perumbavoor. Next day IOC Catholicos had the
audacity to declare that the slain person is the
modern day "MOSES". ((I personally had attended that
meeting and had heard this statement)).

regards

Baby Gleeson Zachariah
St George acobite Syrian Church
Arakunnam






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#3733 From: Jose Kurian Puliyeril
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:05 pm
Subject: Devotional thoughts for Sunday 25th Jan 04.(Third Sunday after Denaha/Epiphancy)
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Devotional thoughts for Sunday 25th January 04.
(Third Sunday after Denaha/Epiphany)

Reading: Gospel according to St. John 3: 1-12

Dear and Respected Brethren,

In the given text we find Nicodemus, a Pharisee by
birth, having high position in society, coming to
meet our Lord Jesus in the calmness and silence of
the night. Totally there are three references about
this wealthy ruler in the Holy Bible. The second
reference is seen in chapter 7: 50, where he is
trying to protect our Lord. And finally we find him
in chapter 19:39, where he appears to honor our Lord
after the crucifixion and death on the cross. It is
believed that Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathya had
taken the permission for the burial and a blessed
and royal burial was granted to our Lord. It is
traditionally believed that when thousands of angels
appeared at Golgotha soon after our Lord’s crucifixion,
and chanted “Holy art thou O God”, “Holy art thou
Almighty” and “Holy art thou immortal”, Joseph and
Nicodemus were lucky enough to chant, “crucified for
us have mercy upon us”.

We must have heard different types of answers as
reasons for why Nicodemus came in the night to meet
our Lord. As soon as Nicodemus came to our Lord,
he said “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come
from God: for no man can do these miracles that you
do, except God be with him”. From this we come to the
conclusion that he was representing a group of similar
thoughts and understandings, other wise he would have
used ‘I’ instead of ‘we’. For doing the miracles,
kindly see our Lord’s explanation in St. John 5:26,
5: 36 and 7:31. In Acts of Apostles 2: 22, we read
St. Peter’s version on the topic. We read, “ You men
of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man
approved of God among you by miracles, and wonders and
signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as
you yourselves also know.”

Now let us come to the answer given by our Lord to
Nicodemus. Our Lord says, “except a man be born of
water and of spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom
of God”. We know that water is an earthly matter needed
for the earthly lives. Water is good enough to clean
dirt from objects; it could provide coolness, comfort
and even life. A shower would provide happiness and
energy to the tired and exhausted person, and a glass
of water for a thirsty and tired person is something
great. Provision of spirit is for the spiritual growth
and maintenance of spirituality. In the sacrament of Holy
Baptism we attain both these re-births, of water as well
as of spirit. In Isaiah 44: 3-4, we read our God’s promise,
“ I will pour water upon him that is thirsty; and floods
upon dry ground. I will pour my spirit upon your seed
and my blessing upon your offspring. And they shall spring
up as among the grass as willows by the water courses.”
Kindly read St Matthew 3:11, St. Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38,
Titus 3:5, I-Peter 3:21.

After hearing our Lord in detail, Nicodemus presents his
quite natural question. “How can those things be”. (Vs 9)
We find a similar question in St. John 6: 52. “The Jews
therefore strove among themselves saying, how can this
man give us his flesh to eat”. This sort of thinking is
quite common among us also. We are also indifferent in
doubting the power of God. We might be willing to talk
hours together about the qualities and abilities of
God Almighty. But very few of us could retain cent percent
faith in the mercy, love and guidance of God Almighty.
In this matter we are facing an acute serious shortage
of faith in God. Suppose our child is admitted in the
hospital for some surgery or so. Until evening the
parents would be courageous and hopeful. By the evening
they get worried. They turn impatient, lonely and totally
disturbed losing concentration in prayers also. I don’t
know the reason why we are getting weaker and weaker in
our faith and belief. When man ignores repentance and live
as he likes, he won’t care anything, as log as the life
moves ahead. But when once it gets de-railed for a simple
or major issue, there arises the impatience, tensions
and worries. The best way to overcome such worries is the
firm faith that everything is possible to God Almighty
and nothing is impossible to God. We must renew our pledge
in Lord God. Every morning we must confess our faith in
Lord Jesus. We must say as our forefathers have practiced
“Lord you are my Lord and God”. We must train up our children
in practicing to repeat “I can do all things through Christ
my God, who strengthens me”. If so they would be free from
all sorts of tensions, fears and anxieties. ( From class
tests to their final exams)

May God bless us all.

Jose Kurian Puliyeril.
St. George Orthodox Church
Abu Dhabi

#3734 From: Thomas Daniel
Date: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:20 am
Subject: Language of Christ survived two millennia, on cusp of extinction
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Language of Christ survived two millennia, on
cusp of extinction
BY LIZ SLY
Chicago Tribune

MAALULA, Syria - KRT NEWSFEATURES

(KRT) - In this quaint stone village perched high
in the mountains above Damascus, the language of
Christ has somehow, miraculously, endured through
the millennia.

Aramaic, which was dominant in the region when
Jesus was alive, died out elsewhere many centuries
ago. But in remote Maalula, time and geography have
conspired to keep it alive, and today this village
is the last place on Earth in which the language
spoken by Jesus is still the native tongue.

To read more about it, please visit
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/5428392.htm

Here's a short description of the aforementioned village,
with pictures:
http://www.syrialive.net/Tourism/MajorSites/ma3lola/ma3loola.htm


In His Love
Thomas Daniel (Reji)
St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Cheppaud, Alleppy (Dist), Kerala, Inida

#3735 From: SOCM Moderators
Date: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:02 am
Subject: Republic Day Greetings
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It was the Lahore Session of the Indian National
Congress at midnight of December 31, 1929 - January 1,
1930, that the Tri-Colour Flag was unfurled by the
nationalists and a pledge taken that every year on
January 26, the "Independence Day" would be celebrated
and that the people would unceasingly strive for the
establishment of a Sovereign Democratic Republic of
India. The professed pledge was successfully redeemed
on January 26, 1950, when the Constitution of India
framed by the Constituent Assembly of India came into
force, although the Independence from the British
rule was achieved on August 15, 1947.

We the moderators of this forum wish you all a
Happy Republic Day.

Let us all work together for the unity and development
of our nation.

Forum Moderators
SOCM-FORUM

#3736 From: Dr.Paul Samuel
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:11 pm
Subject: Syrian Bishops
paul_s_1978
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Dear all,
Can somebody tell me about the site where we can get
the photos of all the Syrian Bishops(excluding those
at Malankara) under the Holy See.

Somebody posted the link previosly months back about
such a site.
Those who remember please send

Dr.Paul Samuel

#3737 From: Thomas P
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:22 pm
Subject: Churches leaders applaud thawing India and Pakistan relations
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Churches leaders applaud thawing India and Pakistan relations
Jan 2004

Thrissur, India (ENI). Church leaders in India and Pakistan have
welcomed the thawing of relations between India and Pakistan
following meetings of the two rival neighbours at a summit of South
Asian countries, held in Islamabad. "The Churches in India consider
the agreement to start dialogue between India and Pakistan as a new
chapter of peace-building in South Asia," said the National
Council of Churches in India, a grouping of 29 Orthodox and
Protestant Churches. Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and Indian
Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee met during the summit of the
South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation.
[Source: ENI, Jan 2004]

Thomas
Marth Mariam Church/ St. George Church Thumpamon

#3738 From: Paul Reji
Date: Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Why Syrian Orthodox?
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Dear All

This repley from  Thomas P  was  blatant deception.
Just  Read  1 Tim 3:15.  It says church is the  truth.
So you may ask which church. IOC? No, Thomas. A chruch
to be called church, it has to be
1. ONE
2. HOLY
3. CATHOLIC
4. and APOSTOLIC  .

If you do not know what that means, I will explain later
on. All I can say here is  IOC does not have any of the
above characteristics.

Syrian Chruch is not  ethnic. I hope you are not confused
by the name 'Syrian'. I am sure you are not. Did you mean
that IOC for India and Syrian Orthodox for  Syria?.
I hope not.

For others, The name 'Syrian' came because the chruch
uses 'SYRIAC' as the language of the church. It is the
language in which Jesus Christ, St.Mary and all apostles
talked. It is the language even our Patriarch Abraham
talked.

Why do we  all belive in  Jesus Christ? For salvation and
for eternal life. There is a plan for salvation. Like the
people who looked the bronze snake were saved, those who
look to that plan for salvation is saved. Others are not.
Plain and simple.

That plan means is 7 sacraments. But except for Baptism,
all other sacraments are for the members of the church.
( here is the relevance of what is church). and IOC is
not in ONE Church, is not apostolic, it is not Catholic
either.

Just because some people were  Syrian Orthodox Chruch
priest's dress or vestments, will not become  priests.
Priesthood has be confered by anointing from a legitimate
priest.

To make it short, Thomas your arguments are like the one
Satan who told similar strategy to Adam.  Just  to confuse
people. It is amzing that in  8000 years or so when human
being are on earth even  God changed his plan a bit. We
got a new plan through Christ. But plan for  Satan to
confuse people never changed. Very unfair! But that goes
on cheating inecent believers.

Once some one told me, Satan is has something that human
being should copy. Satan never  give up. He keep  trying
till he gets his man. One way or another.

But what is very sad is Thomas is also participating in
that plan.

Moderators,

At least this post could have been avoided .I dont know
how this post is relevant to our objectives of the form.

Regards
Paul
St. Iganatious Chruch
Dallas

#3739 From: John Philip
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:13 am
Subject: 51st Dhukrono of Valiya Thirumeni
John Philip
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51st Dhukrono of Malankara Metropolitan
Paulose Mor Athanasius (Valiya Thirumeni of Aluva)
- 26th Januaray 2004.

Biography: - http://syriacchristianity.org/bio/ValiyaThirumeni.htm

John Philip
Kallumkathra St.George Church/
St.Joseph's Cathedral, Kottayam

#3740 From: Mark Sadek
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:38 am
Subject: Spiritual Words.
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"Standing in God's temple, picture to yourself
that you are in heaven itself, that you stand
before God with the higher powers and do with
them everything that they do. In picturing this
to yourself, make a rule for yourself that under
no circumstances will you leave church before
the end of the service."

Abbot Nazarius.
------------------------------------------------
"But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your
left hand know what your right hand is doing, that
your charitable deed may be in secret; and your
Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you
openly." Matt. 6:3,4

#3741 From: Philip Oommen
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:14 am
Subject: Re:LOVE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR CHRISTIANS
Philip Oommen
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Dear Deepu Vargese

Re: "Love is not an option"

Thanks a lot for your appreciation
Sincerely

Philip Oomman - Trivandrum
Member of St.Kuriakose Orthodox Church
Puramattom PO

#3742 From: SOCM Moderators
Date: Sun Jan 25, 2004 9:16 am
Subject: Matrimonial
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#3743 From: George Joyce
Date: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:41 am
Subject: Points to Ponder- St.Thomas and Ophir.
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Hello All,

I would like to bring to the notice of all
enthusiastic historians in the church to pursue the
real truth of our historical truth regarding the
following:

1. The Holy Remains of St.Thomas --the Holy remains
are not transferred to Edessa and the  the prevailing
historical writings are merely a fabrication of the
Portugese. The Holy remains were buried at "Judapetta"
where he was killed and later on transferred to
Edessa( Malayattoor Kurishumudi) and not the one in
middle east. It was mistaken for the Edessa in Syria.

2.  There are clear evidences that St.Thomas preached
at Kothamangalam enroute to his journey to Mylapore or
towards China. He converted many Brahmins into
Christianity at Chelad a village near to Kothamangalam
including the Cheladans a prominent Hindu.

3.  The location of Ophir and the travel of The Holy
Wise men to Jerusalem.

Its evident from history that enough reasons are there
to believe that Ophir(known as Parvaim in one
period)is none other than Kerala and possibly Piravom
and the wise men started the travel from Piravom. It
is worth to note that the churches in Piravom are in
the name of the Holy Kings and are the only ones in
the world.

If the location of Ophir is foundout,it will unveil
many hidden clues of the historical past of
Kerala-Proto history of Kerala.

I would invite the valiuable scribblings from our
readers to further investigate the truth.

Yours truly,

K.George Joyce
St.Mary's Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church,
Abu Dhabi, U.A.E.

Home Parish : St.Stephen's Bes Ania Church,
Chelad,Kothamangalam.

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