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My Name is Kochakkan Abraham John, Kochakkan House, Mulenthruthy.
Home parish is at Kandanad St.Mary Jacobite Church. Kandand.
Residing at 320 Yampa Way,Fremont, California-94539.
Thank God, Thank God, Thank God
May God bless us.
St. Ignatius Jacobite Syrian Church
(The name of MOR IGNATIUS NURRONNO)
Pathanamthitta - Kerala State
Trustee: Mr Koshy George (Tel: 0473 350 630)
Secretary: Mr Kochoikunju
It is time to pray for all the one who lost lives in space
shuttle. May the almighty God give comfort for the families.
Today I have read an article in the Methran Kakshi forum
posted by one Issac Thomas criticizing the Syriac church for
its number of bishops. He appears to be very concerned on “The
present condition of the Patriarchate at Damascus” & the
www.sor.cua.edu web site of the Syrian Church.
I really feel pity of him. May be he is ignorant about the number of
its followers in their Kochi, Kandanad (North & South) and Angamali
(North & South) dioceses. They have only a handful of churches in these
dioceses, not to say much about the number of people. Yet they have five
bishops to manage these three + two dioceses !!!!. Let us forget about
the 2 bishops who shifted allegiance some years back. Yet they have
3 ‘original’ bishops. Altogether there are only 7000 people maximum and
five bishops !!! Still they criticize the Syrian Church for its number
Mathews Koorilose Catholica and others always claim they have 30 lakh
followers with them. But the Malayalee Christian population altogether
comes to only 65 lakhs out of which 35 laks are different sects of Catholic
Churches. So if methran kakshi claim is correct, then there must not be any
other Christian sects in Kerala other than Catholics & Methran Kakshi.
Like Issac Thomas of Methran Kakshi forum, another thomas of that forum
appears to be too much concerned about the Assyrian, Aramean problem.
I advice him to visit devolokam and watch the fight for next catholicose
in their church. Chengannoor Athansius against Kandanad Sevarious. Kollam
bishop vs. Angamaly bishop. Now Diocesan fights, Kandanad Sevarious against
Kandanad Athansius. Old guard of Angamaly against the latest. Milthios
against Oommen Chandy. Bishiop Yuhanan vs. Milthios. OH sorry, dear friend
of USA, please watch the diocese of America where you are staying. Makarios
vs. Barnabas vs. Nicholovos !!!! Yet u are more concerned on Assyrian-
P.B. Feel pity of those members of Methran Kakshi forum. News about the
HC judgment that came on Tuesday is not yet published in that forum.
Typical Malayala Manorama followers !!
T M Chacko
In a letter published in IOF forum on 31st Jan, Prof Joseph K Alexander of
IOC faction has once again tried to establish that Cheppaud Thirumeni &
Pulikottil Thirumeni were excommunicated by the Patriarch. As far as I know,
these excommunication stories are not at all true and I have narrated the real
position in my last posting in SOCM forum. Now as a reply to Fr KK John,
Professor is once again trying to establish his arguments by raising
new ‘evidences’ to prove his side is correct. The only intention behind all
these twisting of histories is to malign the position of the Anthiochean
Patriarchs. If only the Professor could produce any details of the original
records of excommunication orders from the Patriarch, his arguments can be
accepted. If there was any such records it would have definitely been produced
in the Royal court as evidence. Instead what have been produced are only the
letters written by one of the main accused (Mathews Mar Athanasius).
For establishing the argument that Cheppaud Thirumeni was excommunicated,
Professor is quoting from the Royal Court judgment about a letter written by
the deposed metropolitan Mathews Mar Athanasius (who led the reformist movement
in the 19th century against the Syrian church), to Major General Callan. Is
there any reliability for the letter produced in Royal Court by Palakunnath
Mathews Athanasius Methran, an accused himself?
It is a well known fact that Mathews Mar Athanasius had to face stiff
opposition from all sections of the Syrian Church from the day of his arrival
in Malankara as Metropolitan. Most of the Malankara Christians doubted his
intention. When it become public that Palakunnath Methran was ordained bishop
by producing false records before the Patriarch, many rallied behind Cheppaud
Thirumeni and declared that the later is their Metropolitan, not Palakunnath
Mathews Athanasius. So it became a necessity for Mathews Athanasius to
establish that he is the rightful Metropolitan of the Malankara Church. Only
later did the Patriarch came to know that he was cheated by the Palakunnath
Methran. But since there were communication difficulties in those periods, the
Malankara Church was not able to produce enough records from the Patriarchate
Exploiting this peculiar situation, Palakunnath Methran tried his maximum to
establish his Malankara Metropolitan-ship; It is in this process did he send a
letter to Major callan claiming that Cheppaud Thirumeni was excommunicated by
the Patriarch at the time of his ordination. It is true that after the
ordination of palakunnath methran, the Cheppaud Thirumeni was relieved from the
administration of Malankara Syrian Church. But that does not mean that Cheppaud
Thirumeni was excommunicated by the Patriarch. (Appointment of Palakunnath
Methran as Malankara Metropolitan was reviewed later when the Patriarch
understood that he was being cheated.)
Except claiming that Cheppaud Thirumeni was excommunicated by the Patriarch,
Palakunnath Methran could never produce any records of said excommunication.
At the same time the Syrian bishop Mor Koorilose Bava was able to produce the
excommunication letter of Palakunnath Methran in the Royal Court and it helped
for getting a favourable judgment in favour of Syrian Christians in 1890’s.
So it must be assumed that the letter written by Mathews Athanasius was not
based on any excommunication orders of the Patriarch. (It is also to be noted
that British authorities were friends of Mathews Athanasius as he was inclined
to their faith, so definitely they would have helped him to present such a
letter as evidence in British courts.)
If there was any evidence for excommunication of Cheppaud Thirumeni, it would
have been definitely produced during the arguments in the Royal Court. It was
only because that there was no such excommunication order, the reformist group
could not produce it in courts. Without producing clear evidence how can
Mathews Athansius Thirumeni’s claim can be accepted?
Now to find a loophole and thus to escape from these reasonable doubts, our
Professor is blaming that the Patriarchal delegate, Yuyakkim Mor Koorilose
Bava, suppressed these important documents. (It was with Mor Koorilose Bava,
Parumala Thirumeni stayed for many years when he was a deacon; he was one of
the favorite disciples of Mor Koorilose Bava). When the Professor was asked
for the exact date of excommunication of Cheppaud Thirumeni, he tries to
justify himself by saying “I could not come across the actual date of the
excommunication because that letter presented by Yuyakim Coorilose was declared
nacceptable and hence was suppressed by Mar Coorilose.”
I can’t understand what Professor meant by this. Anyhow with this very
sentence, it is very clear that this professor is trying to suppress some of
the facts or don’t want to reveal much. Actually, as mentioned earlier, there
is no such excommunication order from the Patriarch orelse it must have to be
produced in courts. Merely mentioning a letter by the accused (Mathews
Athanasius) to prove that his opponent Cheppaud Thirumeni was excommunicated by
the Patriarch is not at all reliable or acceptable. Unfortunately many are
always misinterpreting the facts and producing it in a way suitable to them.
Likewise Pulikottil Thirumeni’s excommunication stories too are cooked-up
ones. There is no evidence to prove that either Cheppaud Thirumeni or
Pulikottil Thirumeni was excommunicated by the then Patriarchs except some
quoting by later day writers like Paret, cherian, Chithramezhuthu, KCMM etc.;
all of them wrote these with the intention to promote their faction. It is a
fact that until now no one could produce any authentic proof except some
passing remarks by the above said authors.
If anyone is doubtful on the intimate relationship between Pulikottil thirumeni
and the Patriarch Mor Ignatius Peter IV of Antioch, I advice them to read the
biography of Pulikottil Thirumeni published in 1901 by Varghese mapillai. A
link to this book is given in my web site on Pulikottil Thirumeni,
(It was Varghese Mappillai who started Malayala Manorama Co., but was later
taken over by his nephew KCMM through an internal power struggle. The details
of this coup as well as of the manipulations done by KCMM, with clear cut
evidences are mentioned in the book written by Varghese Mapillai’s another
grand niece, Sara Joseph and also in the book “Vrishavriksathinte Verukal
thedi” published by Deshabhimani)
Now the reliability of the books written by Z M Paret. Was he ever an
historian? Never !!! He was a fellow who wrote many story books and tried to
colour it to as historical books. His success was in the publishing many of
these “cooked-up” story books. None of the historians except those interested
parties are recognizing his works. His book is not at all reliable and can
never be used as a reference guide. All the books he wrote were just to
establish his faction’s distorted histories. He was very consistent in
misinterpreting as well as manipulating many facts. There are many such
historians in IOC who are even now misinterpreting the facts and thus
misleading the innocent faithful. Another fellow who was a master in
manipulations of histories was Chitramezhuthu Varghese, a close associate of
Mammen Mapillai. Like wise there are many more in IOC. So it is better to
ignore these fellows who raise unrealistic allegations. But sometimes it
become a real nuisance and hence needed to prove that they are wrong. And it
takes many pages to prove other wise. As I mentioned earlier, raising
allegations is easier, but countering it needs many more space and time.
It is a EO article, I think it may clarify some of your doubts.
Memory and Remembrance
REMEMBRANCE of the dead is human. It is very human for a sincere
relative to have a strong remembrance of a beloved person who has died.
It is not easy, or natural, for a son to forget his father if he really
had a filial love and gratitude for him, and the remembrance of his
mother is undoubtedly even more tender and reverent. But is the remembrance
of a believer sincere without invoking the grace of God? Without exercising
his faith in Jesus Christ and His ever-living Church? Without praying to
Him for the soul of his beloved, one, who is now a member of the triumphant
Church, as he prayed for him when he was a member of the Church on earth?
In the eyes of the Christian and his belief in Jesus Christ, Who is the
Head of both, there is no difference between the Church on earth and that
in Heaven. To cease praying for him, if he really prayed for him when his
beloved one was on earth, is an unnatural way of thinking and a perversion
of reason. Only by erroneous presupposition, or cynicism, will a person
force himself to apathy. It is, then, in keeping with the nature of,the
faithful and his belief, as well as in keeping with the teaching of
Jesus Christ and His Church, to pray to Almighty God for the souls of our
beloved relatives and friends.
The Church has developed this human reaction and this divine teaching and
has established, first, the teaching of the truth of the everliving soul
and its judgment and, secondly, prayers and services pertaining to the
burial of the dead and his life hereafter. It is an expression of gratitude
for a Christian believer to remember the Apostle Paul, by whose efforts and
martyrdom he receives his faith which is so dear and precious to him. To
remember him, however, without referring to Almighty God in his prayers,
the Christian believer misunderstands both the person and message of the
Apostle Paul. For a Christian, the memory of a beloved person has a value
only when he refers to God Almighty in a humble and faithful prayer;
otherwise it is the ordinary expression of an un-illuminated heart. In such
cases there is no difference between a "Christian" and an atheist. The
Christian is called on to pray constantly and to give alms in the Name of
the Lord at all times but especially when he remembers his beloved departed
persons; by doing so he will hear the angel's voice as the centurion
Cornelius heard, that, "Thy prayers and thy alms are come up for a memorial
before God." (Acts 10:4)
In our Lords Love
Thomas Daniel (Reji)
St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Cheppaud, Alleppy Dist
i was going through the photos section. i found some errors in the
writtings which i would like to point out for correction. while
publishing the photograps of our holy fathers we must not allow
errors which could be construed a dis respect towards the thirumeni.
photo of Pulikkottile Mor Dianysios.
"pulikkottul" correct the spelling
"Dianysios II his nephew" reword the statement to make the meaning clear.
hope you will make necessary corrections.
From the desk of moderators.
Dr. George, thank your for pointing out our mistakes. We have already
corrected it and we apologize for the unnoticed human error. Please do
visit the other sections too and advice us with your comments.
In Our Lords Love
Much delighted to hear about the judgement...We proved
that we are right and Justice atlast...And chances are
there for all those parted churches to come back and
be part of the JSOC and Universal Syrian Orthodox
But I have a doubt
In churches were both groups are there,if the general
body elects one group to be the office bearers for one
year and the next year,the other group manages to get
the majority,will the chuch be maitained in rotation
basis under both groups.If so,what difference it has
between political elections?And we malayalees are well
known for rotating rulers.
In such case,will it be the constitution of each
church that comes into picture as the authority????
May be my question is a blunder,but was among the
thoughts which came to me when I heard about the
In cases where both groups exists I suggest that both
should part ways leagally and let Malankara Church
grow..not only JSOC or IOC..let us grow seperately and
let Malankara Sabha grow as a whole..!!!We don't want
politics in any of our churches...Let us spare our
time ahead for good causes other than cases and
Alex Jojo Joseph
Glory to God
Respected and dearly beloved brothers and sisters,
I forward below message received by e-mail in Indian Orthodox forum,
which I hope, useful to you for a thinking and anticipaing a reply to
enable me to forward them.
From: Sunil Kurian, Rutgers School of Law
Subject: Medical and Legal Ethics vs. Our Faith
Dearest IOIF members,
It has been sometime since I have written into this forum, as I have
been busy with my studies. However, this semester I am involved in a
law school class which discusses many of the ethical and legal issues
involved in the medical field. As a result, I have grappled with our
religious stance as Orthodox Christians regarding these issues and
would like to see some thoughts from the various doctors and clergy
from the forum. Most of my questions center around the Orthodox
viewpoint of birth as well as death.
1) One of the most significant legal battles in recent history
has involved the right to "life". Because the stance of Christendom
is more or less well-known on the subject of abortion, I don't care
to delve narrowly into that subject. Rather, I am more
interested in knowing the point at which our church recognizes "life"
as existing. Specifically, do we agree with the Catholic concept
of "life" existing upon conception, or is there another point at
which we recognize a fetus as being a person? In close relation, what
is the church's official stance (within the context of marriage)
concerning preventative measures of contraception, newer products
such as the "mornng after" pill, and the general rights of unborn
2) Another significant legal issue which has arisen in the United
States concerns so called "right to die" laws. Relevant cases,
require the courts to review the right of terminally ill or
permanently disabled patients to make a decision to end their life
with medical assistance. (ie. Dr. jack Kevorkian) I find this issue
to be very complicated, especially considering the Church's past
stance on suicide. Would our Church agree in allowing a terminally
ill patient in severe pain to have assistance in ending his own life,
or would the church hold that such acts by the patient and doctor are
3) Lastly, I'm interested in knowing the church's views on the actual
medical definition of death. Medical professionals operate under
different definitions of death, but most commonly agree to a
definition of cardio-pulmonary death. (If their heart stops, they are
dead) However, "death" as a definition becomes blurred when
considering brain dead status. There are some comatose states
which allow the patient to have extremely limited or no brain
activity but maintain a minimal responsiveness to touch and sight.
This is best seen by cases across the US in which families fight over
the right to disconnect machines which assist such comatose patients
in breathing. Based on these medical definitions of the word "death,
does the Church view such comatose patients as still being alive?
Furthermore, would our Church agree that these life supporting
machines should remain connected, or would they allow them to be
disconnected at the family's wishes?
I think it would be a very meaningful and informative discussion to
hear the medical professionals and clergy in this forum voice their
views on these issues. There are definitely no easy answers to any
of the three topics i have raised. Our world is constantly changing
around us, and we struggle as believers to understand all of it
within the understanding of our faith. Is there a middle ground
between the medical and theological views on these topics, or is
there no hope for reconciliation? Please respond.
Sunil Kurian, Rutgers School of Law
Raju Baby Thaluvachira, Mehsana.
According to K. Karunakaran M.P (Previous Kerala Chief Minister),
Jacobite / Orthodox faction of Malankara Syrian church is to be
separated as two churches is the only solution for the present
crises. To keep harmony, peace & brotherhood in the state, this is
the best solution.
For more details please visit www.deepika.com internet edition dated
5th February 2003
Glory to the abundance of your ineffable love! Your door is open,
Lord, and no one is entering. Your glory is revealed, but no one pays
attention. Your light shines out in the pupils of our eyes, but we
are not willing to see. Your right hand is extended, ready to give,
but there is no one there who takes from it. You entice us with all
sorts of attractions, but we ignore them. You instill fear with
terrors, which are nevertheless intermingled with mercy, but we do
not flee to you. O our God full of mercy, urge yourself to force us
to draw near to you. . . . .Remove our souls from prison for we have
imprisoned ourselves, and bring us to the true light, even though we
are unwilling. May your might put us in safe keeping. Remove, Lord,
from before our sight all the veils by which our soul's vision is
encumbered, preventing it from seeing your true light. May we stand
naked, with open face, in that light continually and without
interruption; may we continue in desire for, and delight in, its
beauty, unto eternal ages. Amen.
-- A selection from John the Elder,
THE SYRIAC FATHERS ON PRAYER AND THE SPIRITUAL LIFE,
Kalamazoo, MI: Cistercian Publications, 1987
Present Residence / Parish: Mar Ignatius Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church,
Home District in Kerala: Pathanamthitta
Home City in Kerala: Tiruvalla
Family Name: Konkara
Nick Name: _
Full Name: Vinu Thomas
Home Parish: St. George Simhasana church Tiruvalla
Year of Birth: 1971
Email Address: vintoms@...
From the desk of moderators.
The above information are uploaded in our data base section
"The rights of individual parishes over
self-governance, itself very clearly affirmed in the
1995 Supreme Court verdict, have now been unmistakably
What does really mean for parishes and the Mother
Church? Does this mean that parishes are individual
institutions and have the right to choose their
association? Is the choice allowed one time to define
their allegiance? If a parish disagrees with the
diocesan bishop, or even the Patriarch for that
matter, does that parish then have the right to
separate from the Mother Church and join another
faction? Can parishes jump from faction to faction
depending on how they feel about certain decisions or
issues? Are there any guidelines explaining this
autonomy? Does anyone feel a pandora's box been
Just raising some doubts I have.
Dn George Mathew
Dear brother Chacko
This is a hide & seeks play by one fanatic Indian Orthodox member.
He comes under many id and put some question and he himself answer
his own question in different id.
As you mention recently he started new discussion in one of the
Assyrian forum under "Indian Christian" and started replying his own
questions under different id. This way he try to spreads his ideas.
Now his prime concern is finding a parallel patriarch. I think IOC
should consider him too along with Vattasseril Thirumeni as saint of
To spread his idea & mislead the Malankara Christians, he posts these
links in the Indian Orthodox forum too.
We should appreciate this person's ability to keep track so many id
at one time. I am sure he is computer addict.
Now regarding this Mr. Issac Thomas, I never so any posting from him
before in Indian Orthodox Forum, it is a new id creation to mislead
the readers with postings of one Mr. Thomas Issac who writes in our
forum with detail reports of the High Court proceedings.
Many of our forum members are in their forum too and I think the
moderators of that forum do not entertain the reply from the Jacobite
members (After a long time I saw a defending reply posted by Mr.
Thomas Daniel from Cheppaud St. George Jacobite Church regarding the
Assyrian subject. Seems to be he has a good contacts with the
moderators of that forum). I think this is the reason nowadays we
see many postings in this forum are clarifications of IOC postings.
So dear brother just ignore them. They are lost case.
Aji Thomas David
In the Indian Orthodox Forum, one of their member was trying to
accuse the present hierarchy of the Syrian Orthodox Church as
---------Many real Syrians are against the present hierarchy of
Damascus based Patriarch. Following is a website of the real Syrians.
As many of our members are also receiving their postings, I thought,
itis my duty to bring some light on this issue.
Hanna Hajjar who runs the forum where this message appeared, is a
known trouble maker. You are all aware perhaps of the conflict
between the Assyrians and the Arameans that has affected the SOC. The
Assyrians who are mostly in the Church of the East (Nestorian church)
have political ambitions of establishing a state for themselves in
Iraq. They claim that all ancient Christians of Mesopotamia are
Assyrian. Arameans are not willing to agree with the claim and anyone
who reads the Bible knows this. The SOC has mostly people of Aramean
descent, although under the Maphrianate of Tirgis there are people
who may claim an Assyrian ancestry. I don't think that anyone can
trace themselves to purely an Aramean or Assyrian line; so the
affiliations today are primarily political. Anyway this issue has
affected the SOC even though Assyrians are a minority. They have
created trouble for HH and all bishops of our church who have spoken
out against the unnecessary divisions these people have created.
Hanna Hajjar is one of them and so are a number of people who write
on his forum. They are also the source of the rumors on HE Mor
Clemis. Since they are opposed to all SOC bishops because of their
stand on the Assyrian issue, they will write anything that supports
their claims and are misusing this issue.
Please note that, this subject is live only in the forum run by Hanna
Everybody seems to suspect that some investment of money was made by
HE with the knowledge of HH and bishops like Mor Yulius Cicek and the
money may have been lost. But none of those who have lost the money
have come forward and complained within any church forum or in any
Mor Clemis is a very simple person and devout. He strictly observes
the traditions of the church including prayer, fasting, etc. He is a
very innocent man. He had the desire to do many things for the
church. In his residence he almost always immersed in study in his
library. He is one of the few masters of Syriac living today. He is
widely known to be very close to HH having been his secretary for
several years. He had very good relations with his archdiocese and
church being the simple man he was. He is known to make decisions
only after consulting with HH and the people. If he did go in for an
investment of the money I strongly believe that he did with the
knowledge of many. Could he have been defrauded? I can see that, but
I would think so were the others involved. Since nobody has come out
we do not know what happened
In Our Lords Love
St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Cheppaud, Alleppy (Dist), Kerala, India
I just wanted to thank everyone in this forum for
taking a proactive role in revealing the TRUTH about
our Church/recent events and countering very
effectively, the FALSE History & propaganda
perpetrated by the Methran faction members. Day by day
their dark lies are brought out into light. Thank you
to all who have taken exceptional efforts for this
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Does the Jacobite Syrian Church consider the Malankara Orthodox Church to be
heretic, schismatic, or something else? Does the MOC consider the JSC to be
heretic, schismatic, or something else? I am curious because of the level of
animosity between the two factions, make it seem like God Himself could not
reconcile the divisions. If the case is that the division is so deep, then
is God really pleased with any case or decision that comes? Is God really
present in any of our words, because ultimately, the judgement comes on all
who allow the young ones to go astray because of this fighting.
Being born, brought up, and still living in America, the Case in India
is far from my heart. Faith is more important to me than jurisdiction and
legality. But discipline and justice come with love and hope. And in India,
there seems to be empty justice and empty discipline, with no love, no hope.
What should be unity in faith, has led to divisions for authority... So
people of the Orthodox faith, both Syrian Orthodox and Malankara Orthodox,
have become the laughing stock of the ecumenical world, and especially the
Kerala Ecumenical world. We have no validity to ever preach the Word of God.
It is an embarassment for leaders of both sides, not just one. It takes two
hands to clap.
Sometimes reading this forum (SOCM) and the other one (IOIF) regarding Sabha
news is depressing and disgusting.
Your children and their children learn to fight, to take all their problems
to court, to criticize Church fathers, to hate without prejudice, and to
slander. They have never seen love, forgiveness, humility from any group
that exists in Kerala. If our children leave the Orthodox Christian faith,
then as the Lord says, it would be better for us to have a millstone tied
around our neck, and for to be thrown into the sea.
With concern and love,
Dn. Aju Philip Mathews,
You all might recall my posting in this forum some times back
(message # 671, still available in the message archive)
subject "Defectors & traitors started to get their price" and
I was referring an article "MAKE NO MISTAKE, MEMBERS OF THE HOLY
EPISCOPAL SYNOD OF MALANKARA…´published in Indian Orthodox Herald
by Rev. Kuriakose Thottupuram Corepiscopa.
They are started paying for their deeds. I hope and pray for other
metropolitans who left us should not face the same. How Lucky our
church was. I am sure it was the will of GOD.
Aji Thomas David
I wish Mathews catholica is one tenth as christian as OUR
Leader Mr.Karunakran,peace will descend in our church.(This
refers to Mr.Karunakran's advice)
But it seems his heart is as hard as Pharohs heart.
No good thoughts (vivaram)will dwell on him.
But dear followers of him, even if the court verdict is in favour
of you we will not give our churches to you.
I saw the posting of Mr. Rajan Mathew and reply by Mr. Thomas Daniel,
regarding prayer for the dead. So I thought of sending my old
document on the subject. Though it is bit long, I hope it will give a
comprehensive idea of the subject
Faithful often confront me with the question, why do we pray for the
dead? Is it biblical? Is there any benefit in doing so? Etc. They are
not satisfied if I say, `yes, it is biblical.' They want direct
command as in the case of "baptize" or "do this in remembrance of
me," etc. Can any one answer this question in the shortest form such
as `yes' or `no'? If at all one dare so will it put an end to the
ever-staggering questions as to the correctness and authority of such
an answer? One of the many monumental truths, which the protagonists
of Protestantism deliberately neglected, is the fact that
Christianity inherited, among other things, prayer for the dead,
which would allude that it is one of the oldest practices of mankind.
One answer is a blatant `no,' we do not pray for the dead. Another
answer is a vehement `yes.' So it requires careful study. A
superficial answer would indeed create more complications than
satisfaction. I have answered both negatively and positively because
of the same reason that is, we pray for those who were Christians in
letter and in spirit. Those who believed confessed and baptized in
the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. They have become
integral part of the Church which is the body of Christ, took part in
the redeeming flesh and blood of Christ, observed the divine
statutes, kept the faith until death and departed to heavenly abode
with hope are eligible for salvation through grace of Christ.
Contd... Part 2
Dear Mr. Zacharia Varughese
C C Kurian & Co., EKM
I am forwarding herewith an SOCM mail, which is an internet forum for our
I shall be grateful if you could kindly let me know the expenses involved/
estimate for publishing the English Sunday School Books, which is included
in the message No.5 given below, from Malankara voice. A copy of this email
is forwarded to SOCM Forum so that in future you will receive all the news
directly to you from SOCM-Forum.
Jacob V Joshua, New Delhi
Glory to God
Respected and dearly beloved Brothers and Sisters,
We have two thousand years History. By receiving the the Great
Inspiration from our Lord God, all most all disciples were
courageously became martyrs for the great cause of LOVE.
Thus St.Thomas came to India for saving the Indians, by loving God
and not mamon. It is believed in Kerala itself he established more
than seven churches. He might have established many churches on
his way also. (The Church of East claims that their church was
established by St. Thomas in 43 AD, it is in Africa). Now we are
dividing the great faith and church with silly reasons. Bible teaches
us,"When you stand praying if you hold anything against anyone,
forgive him so that your father in heaven may forgive you and
forgive your sins." Mark 11:25.
So if we have someone who caused bitterness, we forgive them
because the Lord tells us to forgive. We find spiritual peace and
happiness when we walk in virtues like love, joy,and peace.
No court can give us peace and Love, only God can give the same
to us.He calls us.......
We pray for all to forgive all past and unite in Christ for ever.
Pray for all ever & ever with love
Raju Baby Thaluvachira - Mehsana.
Dear Dn.George mathew,
Respected Deeccan feels that by the decision of the court
that churches are independent, everything will fall apart.
It will not be so.
Our churches were always independent.This verdict
will not open any Pandora box or bring in any anarchy.
This is the very system that existed all this years in Malankara
church,from the start.
Now Devalokam leadership is trying to bring everything
into their control and rule like the catholic church with
iron hand. That is not our sytem.Our churches were always independent.
Eg.We were all members of Cheriapally Kottayam once.We built
a seperate church and moved out at our convenience,100 years back.
Many families have their own church,in their own properties..
Greedy Devalokam leadership wants to bring in a centrally
Jacobites will respect priests and bishops but not under gun
point.We will go to church ourselves.We do not want fines
to be put on for not going to chuch or for expressing our views
in Pothuyogam.(General Bodies)
We are always Gods children at our own will.
So not worry dear deccan,with this unwritten rules and federal
system we loved,respected and obyed HH Patriarchs and we
will continued to do the same
We do not pray for those dead who did not believe, confess or baptize
in the name of the Triune God and who led a filthy, unholy,
unrighteous and unrepentant life. For instance, suicide is ends ones
own life. Desperateness, loneliness and depression overtake such
people. Suicide is a final act of hopelessness, which is sin. We have
no right to take out our own life, for we do not belong to ourselves
but to Christ who bought us for a price which was nothing but His
life as ransom to our sins. Only the Creator has the right to take
our lives. Ignoring this concept is contempt of the Creator and
taking upon oneself unlawful burden of guilt and sin. The reward of
sin is death and soul of the sinner who ends his or her life
virtually spoils the soul. We do not pray such of those who lost hope
or never had hope and committed suicide. Church policy is not to
conduct funeral service in such cases. However there is a strong
lobby in the ecclesiastical inner circle who feels that courtesy
should be extended at least to conduct a fair funeral for suicide
victims. I agree this proposition in part for three reasons, first,
it would greatly ameliorate the emotional overtures of the near
relatives and friends for we have no reason to take for granted that
the surviving members of the family lost hope. We have to comfort the
bereaved. Second, Even in suicide we have to consider the intention.
For example, there was certain elder of Jerusalem named Razis who
denounced Nicanor. Because of his ardent patriotism to the Jewish
religion, Nicanor sent more than five hundred solders to arrest
Razis. The soldiers surrounded him and he could not escape. He,
being reluctant to surrender to ungodly people, turned his sword on
himself. Deeply injured and profusely bleeding he stood up gallantly
amidst enemies. He tore out his entrails, flung with both hands and
called upon the Lord of life and spirit to give them back to him and
thus he died, 2 Mac 14:37-46. This was a clear case of suicide but he
had hope in God. There are number of such occasions when enemy
aggression takes place. Third, medical reasons such as unintentional,
ignorant, mistaken notion or inability to judiciously distinguish
right and wrong are to be leniently viewed. Believers on the
contrary, are hopeful and do not worry about death. Whether such
believers live or die they belong to Christ. The believer has the
promise of eternal life and hope. We pray for them who are alive and
agile in Christ. Many people hold that we should not pray for those
who did not lead a pious life. They will be rewarded according to
their merits. True, Church positively teaches this principle. Who
except Omniscient God can apprehend the fathomless human mind? God
unlike human being looks at the heart rather than out side
appearance. Who are we, or any one for that matter, to critically
view others, or to judge others whether or not he or she accepted
Christ as personal savior at least at the eleventh hour of death? For
instance the thief at the right hand side of Jesus Christ on the
Cross repented and believed in Christ at the time of his death. He
heard Jesus saying, `you will be with me today in Paradise.' We know
it so because it is written so. We have no mind of Christ to know
what one thinks or is about to do. Implying the benefit of ignorance
we will be more prudent to refrain from evaluating others. After all
what is our measuring stick to judge others, except a pile of defiled
thoughts, blurred vision, conceit, selfishness and often targeted to
vindicate our follies. `Judge not others lest you will be judged.'
Church always upheld this norm. Thus in the absence of alternative
evidences to the contrary we presume that all believers are eligible
to receive the grace of God and we pray for.
Contd... Part 2
1.Declaration of Faith of the Malankara Church
We, hereby declare before the High priesthood of Your Holiness (Patriarch of
Antioch) that from the Faith of the three Holy Synods handed over to the
Holy Church, and from commandments of your Holiness, the Head of our
religion and Faith, neither we nor our children would depart either to the
right or to the left - up to our death. And we, take this Solemn Oath,
holding Sleeba (Cross) and Evangelion (the Gospels) before God and in the
presence of your Holiness, that there would be no departing from this until
the last moment of our death.
17th Midhunam 1051 (AD.1876)
2."For this reason we do (would) not follow any faith or teaching other than
the Orthodox faith of the Jacobite Syrian Christians, to the end, that we
may obtain salvation through the prayers of ever happy, holy, and
ever-blessed Mother of God, the redresser of all complaints and through the
prayers of all Saints. Witness, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.Amen"
Re: Dn. George Mathew's concerns about independence of parishes
I should like to thank Mr. V. Thomas for responding to Dn. George Mathew's
concerns that were raised in response to my piece. Mr. Thomas has got it
dead right. Ours is a perfect blend of democracy and episcopacy. Both are
balanced in a beautiful manner. One cannot supercede the other and exercise
hegemonic power. On spiritual matters, we do have an episcopal edge whereas
in temporal matters, individual parishes and the people have the last say.
It should be like that. The other group wants to bring everything including
temporal matters under the episcopal control and authority. The fear of
'pandora's box' being opened is therefore clearly unfounded.
George Mathew Nalunnakkal Achan
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