Dear Frank,
I am confusing what?
Being myself a Slovene and living in Slovakia and speaking all Slavic
languages and having travelled these countries for my life time you are
saying I am confusing things?
You english speaking people may think, that the term Slavonic for Slavs in
general is correct, because it is in your books. I of course disagree. I
take this liberty.
No need to try to convince me of anything, if you do not get the point I am
making.
You are sticking to your books and there is a mistake in them. Try to use
some common sense and slavic grammar and of course geography too.
Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [S-R] Re: Slavs and Slavons


> Dear Vladimir,
>
> As a Slav you protest against using the term Slavonic for Slavs in
> general.
> And Antonín Dvor^ák, a Czech, wrote symphonies
> titled  Slovanske Tance (plural) => Slavonic Dances (English)
>
> In Czech
> Slovan = Slav (E)
> Slovansky' = Slavic (E)
> slovansky' = Slavonic (E)
>
> so depending on language it could be Slavische tanze = danses slaves
> = Slavonic dances = Slovanske tance and be correct.
>
> In Slovene, Slován = Slav, Slavic, Slavonic (E)
> (right from the Angles^ko-Slovenski Slovár,
> Ljubljana, 1993)
>
> You are confusing linguistics with geoegraphy !
>
> I did not write the following words although I agree with them.
>
> "Please, note the difference between Slovenia, Slovakia and Slavonia,
> which is a part of Croatia. The origin of all these names is the same
> -
> derived from the name of SLOVO (= word), from which then the names of
> Slovinje,
> Slovinci, Sloveni, Slovenci, Slovani, Slaveni were coined.
> It is lovely and amusing to see how in Slovak language one says
> "Slovenian -
> Slovakian dictionary" : Slovinsko - Slovenski slovník.
> And in Slovenian language, the same would be Slovensko - Slovaski
> slovar
> ! "
>
> Scholars also write :
> Samo, first ruler of the Slavs, (A.D. 623-658) had unified the
> Slavonic
> tribes and
> this is the period when the names Sloven - Slovien - Slovak -
> Slovenka -
> slovensky
> were created.
> ---------------------------------
> http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html
>
> Frank K
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir Bohinc" <konekta@n...>
> wrote:
> > Dear Frank,
> > I am a Slav or Slovan,  in slovenian , czech or slovak language.
> > In Polish it is Slowian.
> > In croat or serb it is Slaven.
> > In russian it is Slavjan.
> > Whatever grammar you take, when referring to the Slavs, you can not
> come to
> > the word Slavonian.
> > This word has been coined by the british by mistake. I know that
> this word
> > is in Webster. I have it too. And several others. I know that this
> word is
> > being used by english speaking people,but this does not prove, that
> it is
> > correct or better say appropriate.
> > I accept the word Slavonian only if it pertains to Slavonia proper.
> The rest
> > is a mistake.
> > Every slavic slavicist will tell you this.
> > Some hair splitting:
> > Slavonians ( people of Slavonia or Slavonci in their own language)
> sure are
> > Slavs, but Slavs are not Slavonians ( not only) and never have been.
> > Slavonia is a province in Croatia, and thus a very small part of
> the group
> > of Slavic nations. Language in Slavonia is a croat language.
> > Imagine this;
> > Antonin Dvorak, a Czech, wrote a simphony with the title "
> Slovanske tance"
> > By the followers of the established translation practices, it has
> been
> > translated into " Slavonian dances", which is totally ridiculous.
> Dvorak
> > must be turning in his grave.He never was in Slavonia and his work
> has
> > nothing to do with it. And has also nothing to do with any liturgy.
> > As a Slav I protest against using the term Slavonic for Slavs in
> general.
> > I have been in touch with slavicists in US too. Sure, nobody wants
> to risk
> > his career.
> > Just don't change anything.
> > I am deeply disappointed over such "scientists".
> > Vladimir
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank" <frankur@w...>
> > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:24 PM
> > Subject: [S-R] Re: Slavs and Slavons
> >
> >
> > > In Slavic languages the word "Slav" is "Slowianie", "Slovene", or
> > > something similar, with obvious similarities to word "Slowo"
> meaning
> > > "Word".
> > > "Slowianie" would mean "people  who can speak", as opposed to the
> > > Slavic word for Germans, "Niemcy", that is, "dumb", "people who
> cannot
> > > speak".
> > >
> > > Looked in my Slovensko-angles^ki slovar (Slovene-English
> dictionary)
> > > Slavonija = Slavonia
> > > Slavon + ski = Slavonian
> > >
> > > Looked in my Slovensko/Anglicky' slovník
> > > (Slovak/English dictionary)
> > > (nothing)
> > >
> > > [1913 Webster Dictionary]
> > > Slavonian \Sla*vo"ni*an\, Slavonic \Sla*von"ic
> > >  adj.
> > >    1. Of or pertaining to Slavonia, or its inhabitants.
> > >
> > >    2. Of or pertaining to the Slavs, or their language.
> > >
> > >
> > > For those academically oriented.
> > >
> > > "Some problems of the ethnogenesis of the Slavs and of the
> settlement
> > > process of the Central Danubian Slovenes - Slovaks in the 6th and
>  7th
> > > century "
> > >
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/texasczech/Slav%20Ori
> > > gins/Sixth%20and%20Seventh%20Centry%20Slovaks.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Frank K
> > >
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When we refer to something in the Chinese region, we refer to the neuter
objects, such as rugs, pottery, culture as Oriental.  It is an adjective
describing an object from the Orient.  However, when we refer to the people from
that
region we refer to them as Asians.  No longer do we "politically correctly" say
Orientals.  They can be further identified by country such as being Japanese,
Chinese, Korean and on and on.
After reading all of the emails, the Google searches and then my own hard
copy of the Mirriam Webster two-volume dictionary on the term "Slavic, Slavish
etc., my personal opinion is that the collective culture, region, language of
the countries in that region can correctly  be described as Slavic.  The people,
however, are best described by what they are such as Poles, Slovenes,
Slovaks, Czechs, Russians, Georgians.  Much as we would say Asians to describe
the
people collectively in Asia, I would suggest that the people in Poland,
Slovakia, Slovenia, Russia, Czech Republic are collectively just called
Europeans.
East Europeans, Central Europeans, Western Europeans.  Am I going off the deep
end??   Paul M.  where are you???
Noreen


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Dear Noreen,
Your conclusion is correct.
I just saw something on the TV an hour ago in connection with the genetic
(DNA) research that was done in England recently. The final word was, that
the word Celt or Celtic or Celts has been used in the past much too freely,
in many cases not appropriate.
I agree completely. Some history will have to be researched and rewritten
again.
As long as we have the choice between Slavic and Slavonian ( as to the
official Webster), I opt for Slavic.
Slavs are a great family of nations, with common language roots.
How the name Slav or Slovan came about is impossible to prove.
One has to consider, that the history of Slavs in Central and Southern
Europe leads us back to Ukraine.
There was no Christianity then. Slavs had their own Gods.
One of them was the Goddess Slava. (english Glory)
She was the Goddess of victory. All slavic Gods are on her chest. She was
the cellestial mother.
I found some links, that might be of interest about this subject.
http://www.winterscapes.com/slavic.htm

http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1023

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8933/bov.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8933/bov.html

Regards,

Vladimir



----- Original Message -----
From: <nhasior@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Slavs and Slavons


> When we refer to something in the Chinese region, we refer to the neuter
> objects, such as rugs, pottery, culture as Oriental.  It is an adjective
> describing an object from the Orient.  However, when we refer to the
people from that
> region we refer to them as Asians.  No longer do we "politically
correctly" say
> Orientals.  They can be further identified by country such as being
Japanese,
> Chinese, Korean and on and on.
> After reading all of the emails, the Google searches and then my own hard
> copy of the Mirriam Webster two-volume dictionary on the term "Slavic,
Slavish
> etc., my personal opinion is that the collective culture, region, language
of
> the countries in that region can correctly  be described as Slavic.  The
people,
> however, are best described by what they are such as Poles, Slovenes,
> Slovaks, Czechs, Russians, Georgians.  Much as we would say Asians to
describe the
> people collectively in Asia, I would suggest that the people in Poland,
> Slovakia, Slovenia, Russia, Czech Republic are collectively just called
Europeans.
> East Europeans, Central Europeans, Western Europeans.  Am I going off the
deep
> end??   Paul M.  where are you???
> Noreen
>
>
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Hello

Does anyone know if Jstvan could become James in
America?
Place of residence: Gronicza, ethnicity: Hungary
arriving in 1903.
His wife's father's place of residence: Dal. Pocatk,
Bohemia,  Ethnicity Austria, Bohemian. He arrived here
later in 1913.  I have no idea what the Dal. actually
means.  Greek/Bohemian shows up as language spoken in
the census.
Thank you for any help in this matter.  I really
appreciate it.
Marcia

At 05:46 PM 1/1/2004 -0800, you wrote: Hello

  >Does anyone know if Jstvan could become James in America? Place of
residence: Gronicza, ethnicity: Hungary arriving in 1903. His wife's
father's place of residence: Dal. Pocatk, Bohemia,  Ethnicity Austria,
Bohemian. He arrived here later in 1913.  I have no idea what the Dal.
actually means.  Greek/Bohemian shows up as language spoken in the census.
Thank you for any help in this matter.  I really appreciate it. Marcia<

István - Hungarian [ nicknames = Pista, Pisti, Pityu, Pistika, Pityuka ]
Stephen - English, Stephanus - Latin, Stephan -German

There are three towns in the Czech Republic that are named Pocatky.  The
Dal may be an abreviation for the Czech word dals^i, which means
farther.  The words upper and lower, nearer and farther, etc are often used
with town and village names.  The name may have changed since the early
twentieth century.

John

I'm changing the subject some what. Does anybody know
what the format is for the 1869 census? Did the government officials
do a simple head count for each residence or were surnames recorded
as well? I doubt it was very detailed like present day census every ten
years which would be very expensive. Just a thought.

Vince Kondracki


Researching
Surnames: Huhra, Derfinak, Mihalovsky, Majtner

Town: Lipany


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At 09:36 PM 1/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm changing the subject some what. Does anybody know
>what the format is for the 1869 census? Did the government officials
>do a simple head count for each residence or were surnames recorded
>as well? I doubt it was very detailed like present day census every ten
>years which would be very expensive. Just a thought.
>
>Vince Kondracki

Try:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/Centips2.html

http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/CensusMain.htm

John

I think it might be Stephen.
>
> From: Brian Kettering <kettering5@...>
> Date: 2004/01/02 Fri AM 01:46:47 GMT
> To: S-R <slovak-roots@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-R] Jstvan
>
> Hello
>
> Does anyone know if Jstvan could become James in
> America?
> Place of residence: Gronicza, ethnicity: Hungary
> arriving in 1903.
> His wife's father's place of residence: Dal. Pocatk,
> Bohemia,  Ethnicity Austria, Bohemian. He arrived here
> later in 1913.  I have no idea what the Dal. actually
> means.  Greek/Bohemian shows up as language spoken in
> the census.
> Thank you for any help in this matter.  I really
> appreciate it.
> Marcia
>
>
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Hello John

Thanks for the links.
They were very informative.
The format looked familiar. I requested information
from the Presove archive in Slovakia and they photo copied
the census information of 1869. The archive did great work
but it took three months to get it. This took place over a
year ago but I remember they did wonderful work providing birth register
extracts and a family tree layout. Very proffesional work.

Vince Kondracki


Researching
Surnames: Huhra, Derfinak, Mihalovsky, Majtner

Town: Lipany


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Thank you all for help.
But Vladimir ` s answer give me not much hope.
Vladimir do you know if there are other census (other years) for CADCA in the
Bytca archive ??
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Vladimir Bohinc
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:37 AM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Census 1869 of CADCA,Hungary, now Slovakia


   If Cadca Census were existing, if would have been in the Bytca archive.
   However, I asked them many times; they have no Censuses at all. The only
   archive, that apparently has no censuses.
   Vladimir

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
   To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:47 PM
   Subject: [S-R] Re: Census 1869 of CADCA,Hungary, now Slovakia


   > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Jansko"
   > <richardjansko@h...> wrote:
   > >
   > >   Where could i find the census for the town CADCA
   > (North-north-west Slovakia, near the polnisch and the czech
   > boarder)?
   > >   I have found a message from Bill Tarkulich refering to the census
   > 1869 in the archive of the group:
   > >
   > >   The Mormons have not completed filming Census and church records.
   > >   A status report on the state of their filming is here
   > >   http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/fhc_1869_census_slovakia_data.htm
   > >   An index of the villages covered is here
   > >   http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/1869_census_fh
   > l_holdings_by_magy.htm
   > >
   > >
   > >   ______________
   > >   Bill Tarkulich
   > >   If the census today isn`t filmed by the mormons - does anybody
   > know in which archiv in Slovakia i can find it?
   > >   thanks a lot for help
   > >   Richard from Austria
   >
   >  GrüÃY Gott
   > Verstehen Sie Deutsch ?
   >
   > The LDS-Mormons have filmed the 1869 Hungarian
   > Census for only 12 megye (counties) including
   > 8 formerly located in Upper-Hungary (now Slovakia)
   > C^adca (Sk) Cadcza (H) is located in NW Slovakia
   > formerly located in Trencsén megye (county)
   > Its 1869 Census has not been filmed as yet.
   >
   > However, the LDS had filmed the R.C. parish church records (1742-1896)
   > for C^adca.
   > Text in Latin and Hungarian.
   >
   > film #
   > 1978902-1978905
   >
   > These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing at any
   > Family History Center (FHC) worldwide.
   > 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research.
   >
   > LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS
   >
   > http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp
   >
   >
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   > >
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Dear Richard,
I will check with the Bytca archive next week for you, especially for Cadca.
Just to make sure.
This will be on Tuesday.
Regards,
Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Jansko" <richardjansko@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Census 1869 of CADCA,Hungary, now Slovakia


> Thank you all for help.
> But Vladimir ` s answer give me not much hope.
> Vladimir do you know if there are other census (other years) for CADCA in
the Bytca archive ??
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Vladimir Bohinc
>   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:37 AM
>   Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Census 1869 of CADCA,Hungary, now Slovakia
>
>
>   If Cadca Census were existing, if would have been in the Bytca archive.
>   However, I asked them many times; they have no Censuses at all. The only
>   archive, that apparently has no censuses.
>   Vladimir
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
>   To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:47 PM
>   Subject: [S-R] Re: Census 1869 of CADCA,Hungary, now Slovakia
>
>
>   > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Jansko"
>   > <richardjansko@h...> wrote:
>   > >
>   > >   Where could i find the census for the town CADCA
>   > (North-north-west Slovakia, near the polnisch and the czech
>   > boarder)?
>   > >   I have found a message from Bill Tarkulich refering to the census
>   > 1869 in the archive of the group:
>   > >
>   > >   The Mormons have not completed filming Census and church records.
>   > >   A status report on the state of their filming is here
>   > >   http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/fhc_1869_census_slovakia_data.htm
>   > >   An index of the villages covered is here
>   > >   http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/1869_census_fh
>   > l_holdings_by_magy.htm
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >   ______________
>   > >   Bill Tarkulich
>   > >   If the census today isn`t filmed by the mormons - does anybody
>   > know in which archiv in Slovakia i can find it?
>   > >   thanks a lot for help
>   > >   Richard from Austria
>   >
>   >  GrüÃY Gott
>   > Verstehen Sie Deutsch ?
>   >
>   > The LDS-Mormons have filmed the 1869 Hungarian
>   > Census for only 12 megye (counties) including
>   > 8 formerly located in Upper-Hungary (now Slovakia)
>   > C^adca (Sk) Cadcza (H) is located in NW Slovakia
>   > formerly located in Trencsén megye (county)
>   > Its 1869 Census has not been filmed as yet.
>   >
>   > However, the LDS had filmed the R.C. parish church records (1742-1896)
>   > for C^adca.
>   > Text in Latin and Hungarian.
>   >
>   > film #
>   > 1978902-1978905
>   >
>   > These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing at any
>   > Family History Center (FHC) worldwide.
>   > 90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research.
>   >
>   > LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS
>   >
>   > http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp
>   >
>   >
>   > Frank K
>   > >
>   > >
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Just catching this thread now, as I was away and am opening week-old mail.  I
too remember hearing the word "Slavish".   My ancestral roots also are in very
Eastern Slovakia.
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  >
  > Dear Rich and all,
  > I have been reading with interest the Slavish conversation.  I had heard the
  > word 'Slavish" while growing up in Jersey.  My aunt had always said that we
  > came from peasant stock.  Her mother and grandparents were from very Eastern
  > Slovakia.  They were servents in richer people's homes.   Her father was from
  > Southern Poland. He was a tailor but young and poor when he came to America
in
  > 1905.   My aunt said that at home she remembers that they spoke a mixture of
  > Slovak and Polish.  My aunt always used the word Slavish and so did my
friend's
  > parents.  I remember it very clearly because I thought that they were saying
  > that we were decendents of Slaves.  of course, they were not saying that at
all,
  > but what does a little kid understand?    What does a little kid even care?
  > (Boy, do I now wish I could go back in time and pay attention to what they
  > told us)
  > So, my vote goes with Vladimir that it is an American word that best
  > describes the melting pot of Slovaks, Slovenes, Poles, Russians, Hungarians
etc
  > etc.
  > that came to the USA in the turn of the century.
  > Noreen
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http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/inst1930.html

Very useful information.

Yes, thank you.
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   Subject: [S-R] Instructions for census takers


   http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/inst1930.html

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I have uploaded my g-grandfathers California death certificate from 1913.  I am
having trouble reading what the first name of his father was. Would anyone be
able to help me figure out what it is? I have an idea but would like to see what
other eyes see.

thanks much
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Looks like Chris Christiansen.

Tim Skvarenina

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idea but would like to see what other eyes see.
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His  name is Christ. thats the short-form for CHRISTIAN , a common name in
Germany, where he comes from.
His family name is i think Christensen.
greetings from Austria
Richard
For all: It would be very useful to give a link to the picture or to say where
it is
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   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:45 PM
   Subject: [S-R] Re: help in reading a name on death certificate


   Looks like Chris Christiansen.

   Tim Skvarenina

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Dear listers,
I received the message below. I need your opinions on how to know if someone is
who they say they are or not.
Eleanor
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
------------------------------------------------


I`m from Slovakia. Are you from family of Cobirka or Chobirka?I know where is
Svidnik and Korejovce and I have been there. Can I help you? Maybe you can help
me. I found our family in USA called Cobirka or Chobirka.      Ladislav from
Slovakia





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thanks, I appreciate the help. the more eyes the better.. Also your right I
should have given more information as to where to find the certificate.
June
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   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: help in reading a name on death certificate


   His  name is Christ. thats the short-form for CHRISTIAN , a common name in
Germany, where he comes from.
   His family name is i think Christensen.
   greetings from Austria
   Richard
   For all: It would be very useful to give a link to the picture or to say where
it is
     ----- Original Message -----
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     To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:45 PM
     Subject: [S-R] Re: help in reading a name on death certificate


     Looks like Chris Christiansen.

     Tim Skvarenina

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     was. Would anyone be able to help me figure out what it is? I have an
     idea but would like to see what other eyes see.
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Dear Eleanor,
     Can you elaborate on "who they say they are or not." Is Ladislav
claiming to be a genealogy researcher? What?
Michael Mojher
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor Chobirko" <ellemarie15642@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed


> Dear listers,
> I received the message below. I need your opinions on how to know if
someone is who they say they are or not.
> Eleanor
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I`m from Slovakia. Are you from family of Cobirka or Chobirka?I know where
is Svidnik and Korejovce and I have been there. Can I help you? Maybe you
can help me. I found our family in USA called Cobirka or Chobirka.
Ladislav from Slovakia
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Michael,
I replied to the email from Ladislav asking him what his surname was and told
him
that our family was from Boksa, which is south of the two villages or towns that
he
mentioned. I also asked him what town or village he was from.
He did not say he was a researcher.
He answered my reply with "what or where is a Boksa"
He said his surname was Cobirka.
He did not say where he was from in Slovaia.
So, the point I was getting at - Is he Ladislav Cobirka or just trying to get
information for some other reason than looking for family.
Eleanor


Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
Dear Eleanor,
     Can you elaborate on "who they say they are or not." Is Ladislav
claiming to be a genealogy researcher? What?
Michael Mojher
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor Chobirko" <ellemarie15642@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed


> Dear listers,
> I received the message below. I need your opinions on how to know if
someone is who they say they are or not.
> Eleanor
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I`m from Slovakia. Are you from family of Cobirka or Chobirka?I know where
is Svidnik and Korejovce and I have been there. Can I help you? Maybe you
can help me. I found our family in USA called Cobirka or Chobirka.
Ladislav from Slovakia





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Eleanor,
     It is always wise to be cautious. Since Ladislav has not made any
suspicious requests I would continue the correspondence. He appears to have
a legitimate interest since your surname is the same as the family he is
looking for in the USA.
     Genealogy research by its nature requires you to trust that people are
wanting or needing help. You have seen how this group, made up of strangers
with a similar interest, are willing to help one another. There is a
serendipity in helping, often by accident relatives make contact or are put
in contact with one another.
     You would be fortunate if Ladislav proofs to be your connection in
Slovakia who is willing to help. Having a "local" working for you can
provide you with a big advantage.
Should Ladislav make a request that you are not comfortable with you can
terminate your communicating or present it to the group to see if it is an
honest request.
     I say continue.
     Michael Mojher
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor Chobirko" <ellemarie15642@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed


> Michael,
> I replied to the email from Ladislav asking him what his surname was and
told him
> that our family was from Boksa, which is south of the two villages or
towns that he
> mentioned. I also asked him what town or village he was from.
> He did not say he was a researcher.
> He answered my reply with "what or where is a Boksa"
> He said his surname was Cobirka.
> He did not say where he was from in Slovaia.
> So, the point I was getting at - Is he Ladislav Cobirka or just trying to
get
> information for some other reason than looking for family.
> Eleanor
>
>
> Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
> Dear Eleanor,
>     Can you elaborate on "who they say they are or not." Is Ladislav
> claiming to be a genealogy researcher? What?
> Michael Mojher
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eleanor Chobirko" <ellemarie15642@...>
> To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:36 AM
> Subject: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed
>
>
> > Dear listers,
> > I received the message below. I need your opinions on how to know if
> someone is who they say they are or not.
> > Eleanor
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > I`m from Slovakia. Are you from family of Cobirka or Chobirka?I know
where
> is Svidnik and Korejovce and I have been there. Can I help you? Maybe you
> can help me. I found our family in USA called Cobirka or Chobirka.
> Ladislav from Slovakia
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At 05:36 AM 1/7/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear listers,
>I received the message below. I need your opinions on how to know if
>someone is who they say they are or not.
>Eleanor
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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>
>
>I`m from Slovakia. Are you from family of Cobirka or Chobirka?I know where
>is Svidnik and Korejovce and I have been there. Can I help you? Maybe you
>can help me. I found our family in USA called Cobirka or
>Chobirka.      Ladislav from Slovakia

With this amount of information it would be difficult to tell.  Even a
Slovak Republic E-mail address is no assurance that he is in Slovakia.  I
would suggest additional communication with him to see if he is soliciting
genealogical business.  The Slovak online phone directory list three
C^obirka in Svidnik.  There are no listings for C^obirka in Korejovce.

John

Elinor,
There are five people in the Slovak telephone book named Cobirka in Svidnik.
One Cobirka came over in 1923 from Miroly, Czechoslovakia
Have you found anyone with this name in the United States??
Ask Ladislaw where the Cobirka people are in the USA.
I think he is trying to connect with family and I would continue to
correspond with him a little at a time.  his letter sounds genuine to me, but
you have
to trust your gut feelings at all times.  Just take it slow.  We are all
strangers in the beginning.  Good luck
Noreen


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Eleanor,
I am sorry,   John is correct.  there are three from Svidnik.  the other two
are in the area but not from Svidnik.
Noreen


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J A K U B A N Y   R E U N I O N


September  10  -  12,  2004


The plans for the reunion are taking shape.  I thank Ann Skapura
DiMarco
and Ron Cieslak for their suggestions.  You will be pleased with
the
location.

At this time the brochure about the camp is being updated and
currently
not available.  You can view pictures of the site at  www.acrod.org
and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakubany/  (You have to join the
Jakubany
Group at Yahoo to look at the photos in the latter website.  Once
a
member, click on Photos and look for Camp Nazareth photo
album.)  Keep in
mind that this is mainly a youth camp.  It will be necessary to
bring
your own bedding:  Sheets, Blankets, Pillow.  If this will be a
problem,
please let me know.  Parents will be responsible for their
children‚s
behavior.

The camp can accommodate up to approximately 150
individuals˜8 cabins of
16 persons each.  Mercer PA is located off I-80 and 4 miles west
of I-79.
  A map of the area will be provided with particulars.

For overflow of participants there are hotels/motels and camping
sites in
the area [I am in the process of obtaining brochures on these].
How the
accommodations will be set up, of course, will depend on the
number
attending.  There are no hook-ups for camping vehicles.  If you
have a
camper it can be parked in the area of the camp.  It is situated on
289
acres of rolling, wooded terrain.  The suggestion of the camp
administrator is to have men and women in separate cabins
with children
[depending on ages] located in a separate cabin with a
chaperone to be
provided.

v On site:  1)  recently dedicated wooden church fashioned on
those in
Slovakia  2)  junior Olympic pool [we will have to provide a
certified
lifeguard]  3)  the main lodge with modern kitchen and space for
dining
and meetings  4)  Tennis court  5)  Softball Field  6)  Basketball
7)
Volleyball  8)  Hiking Trails  9)  Horseshoes  10)  Miniature Golf
11)
a full bath house.

It is intended to be a Friday evening, all day Saturday, and
Sunday
morning event.  I am aware that there may be individuals who
may be
attending „locally‰ from the western PA and eastern OH areas
who may wish
to attend only on Saturday.  This, however, will have to be worked
out in
price˜the cost per day for lodging is $25 per day which includes
meals
[extra if ethnic food is included].

Meals can be provided by camp personnel [which is catered].
However, if
our ethnic food is prepared for Saturday afternoon this can be
done by
one of two sources and there would be an additional charge.



My questions to you are:

1) What is your snail mail address
2) Will young children be attending; if so, their ages
3) Preference for ethnic food or catered [American] food for
Saturday
4) What will you be expecting from this reunion
5) Would you be attending the full weekend; if not what days
6) Would someone be able to assist as a lifeguard, if needed.
7) Any, questions or suggestions are welcome.

Any questions you may have should be sent to me via my email
myfluffeve@...
Or by snail mail to 234 Charles NE ˆ Warren OH  44483.

Tentatively, the itinerary for the weekend:

v Friday afternoon and evening ˆ check in and socializing
v Saturday:  Breakfast at the lodge; Lunch through the supper
hour if
ethnic food is served    [I am hoping that there will be enough
socializing, genealogy discussions among everyone --
consequently, no
specific time for lunch and the meal will be available through
suppertime].
v In the evening a bonfire [vatra] and wiener roast
v Sunday services at the new church with brunch following.

Reservations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis
beginning  JANUARY 15, 2004.

It will be my pleasure to meet all of you and it is my hope that you
will
have a very enjoyable time.


Eveline M Blanar
234 Charles NE
Warren OH  44483

Phone 330/392-0184
Email  myfluffeve@...

>     It is always wise to be cautious. Since Ladislav has not made any
suspicious requests I would continue the correspondence. He appears to have
a legitimate interest since your surname is the same as the family he is
looking for in the USA.
>     Genealogy research by its nature requires you to trust that people are
wanting or needing help . . .  There is a  serendipity in helping, often by
accident relatives make contact or are put  in contact with one another.

Last fall I went back and forth with someone who contacted me about one of
my surnames. His first email was "want photos?" (Talk about suspicious!) We
kept writing for a couple of weeks and eventually discovered that we have
the same great-grandparents. Now I have about fifty more cousins in Slovakia
than I did a couple of months ago!

Keep writing. You never know what might come of the correspondence!

Anabeth

At 02:23 PM 1/7/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Michael,
>I replied to the email from Ladislav asking him what his surname was and
>told him
>that our family was from Boksa, which is south of the two villages or
>towns that he
>mentioned. I also asked him what town or village he was from.
>He did not say he was a researcher.
>He answered my reply with "what or where is a Boksa"
>He said his surname was Cobirka.
>He did not say where he was from in Slovaia.
>So, the point I was getting at - Is he Ladislav Cobirka or just trying to get
>information for some other reason than looking for family.
>Eleanor

I was lucky to find a student on the Net that lived close to my relatives
in SK.  Some of my relatives lived close to him in the same city and the
others lived in an ancestral village about 15 miles away.  He contacted
both sets and drove to my ancestral village to get information for
me.  That resulted in a trip to SK in 1999.  It's worth the effort to
maintain communication but, as has been stated by others, "with caution".

I found a Pavla C^obirková in Stropkov, which is about a mile east of
Boksa. I believe cell phones are not listed and, since there are so many in
use in SK, there shjould be more C^obirkas in the area.

John M.

Anabeth,
You make a good point.  With so much spam running amok, it's best to write
an email subject carefully.  I like to use surnames and place names to alert
people when they see a sender (me) that they don't know.

I spend a lot of time "cold-calling" people in my genealogical work, both by
email, phone and letter.  A well placed letter of introduction is always in
order.  When someone like this writes to you, ask him/her all the same
questions you might want to write in a letter of introduction.

The first thing I try to do is prove they are serious in their intent.  Many
people throw out a bunch of names and see what will stick.  Very lazy
approach - they get out what they put in, very little.  It has been my
experience that people who are dead serious about their researcher (those
are the people you want to talk to) will be willing to share lots of
information.

Some questions you should ask:
Where village are your ancestors from?  Where do you live now?
Have you written to the family in the US?  Where are they?  What are their
names?
Have you written a family tree? Can I see it?  What are your surnames?
Have you looked at village records for family?
Do you know people of my surname?  Who?
What can you tell me about the village?


I think it's entirely safe to tell him/her:
My immigrant ancestor NAME was born about 18xx in and came to the US in
19yy.  His spouse's name was... He had brothers/sisters/parents named etc.
Have you heard of these names?

This inquisition should not only demonstrate knowledge, but willingness to
share, and seriousness of intent.  Follow this with a series of measured
exchanges and see just how helpful s/he is.  The overwhelming number of
people in the SR are incredibly sincere and generous.  You also have the
great pond called the Atlantic Ocean between the two of you.  I used to
worry at first that they would show up at my doorstep someday.  That just
simply isn't going to happen.

I am in the enviable position of just having opened up "pandora's box" of
immigrants from the village of Ulic and environs.  I have located where a
large number of them settled and am in the process of matching up American
with Slovak national families.  I have people in Ulic who are looking and
people in America looking.  Even being familiar with the village, you still
have to approach each introduction with kid gloves.  Not only to show I am
serious, but also to measure how interested the receiving end is.  I need
not tell you how many of our relatives are NOT interested in genealogy!

Good Luck and tell us how you make out.

______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Dollins [mailto:axd2@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:48 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed


>     It is always wise to be cautious. Since Ladislav has not made any
suspicious requests I would continue the correspondence. He appears to have
a legitimate interest since your surname is the same as the family he is
looking for in the USA.
>     Genealogy research by its nature requires you to trust that people
> are
wanting or needing help . . .  There is a  serendipity in helping, often by
accident relatives make contact or are put  in contact with one another.

Last fall I went back and forth with someone who contacted me about one of
my surnames. His first email was "want photos?" (Talk about suspicious!) We
kept writing for a couple of weeks and eventually discovered that we have
the same great-grandparents. Now I have about fifty more cousins in Slovakia
than I did a couple of months ago!

Keep writing. You never know what might come of the correspondence!

Anabeth



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Since "cold calling" is my job I would like to add a couple of words too.
There is an interesting difference between the US and Slovakia.
If I call a person in Slovakia, their first thought is " this must be about
inheritance or some money".
If I call a person in US, their first thought is " he wants something from
me, he will show up at the door,I do not want to be involved in any
immigration related problems"
Of course, I simplify, but these are main common denominators.
Since 9/11, one additional factor came into play; terrorists. Now, everybody
can also be a potential terrorist or their supporter. Now, since the big
brother is watching everything already, any contact with a "suspicious"
person can be dangerous. This is the thinking on the US side.
I must admit, I do not know the right words to express my deepest
disappointment over this issue.
If this will continue, it will be the end of good relations among people.
If a person has "fear", be it legitimate or "implanted" by propaganda, then
the sick imagination has no limits any more. Imagination about what bad
could happen to one and how mean somebody else could be is then predominant
and always present. (Be on alert)Such thinking can not be a basis for any
friendly, and sure not honest relationship.
The problem with cold calling is, that it is very , very, difficult to make
it look different than a spam.
Since legitimate and illegitimate spammers are more or less all trained in a
way, they know all the tricks, how to approach a person and how to generate
interest.
Since our researcher is after the same goal, he has to present his case in a
way, that should generate interest on the other side. If it looks like a
spam, he is branded as spammer, if it doesn't, he is suspicious.
The suspicion hysteria, that not so long ago was at home here, is now
overseas. I can say only one thing; it ruins everything. Forget the
friendship, forget love. All fake.
Is this what we want?
Since presenting a case in a right way is very difficult, non english
speakers have a big problem.
They do not know even how to express themselves correctly. If they try
harder, it is even more suspicious. ( Study the Nigerian scam)
On the other hand, a slovak person, being called, just can not beleive, that
there is not some money /property involved. For them, it is impossible to
believe, that there could be something else, not to mention family love. All
such cathegories have been killed by the former system which taught
suspicion and alertness as a duty of every citizen. Love could be present
only among the inner circle of the family. If you have not been identified
as one belonging to it, you are out and thus suspicious.
Internet and e-mails allow many things. In a way, they allow contacts that
were not possible before.
On the other hand, they also allow persons to hide their identity.
If you want to build a good relationship, do not hide behind acronyms. Write
your full name and test the contact with the snail mail as soon as possible.
If you are affraid of identity theft, give up genealogy.
For someone to steal your identity, I imagine, you would have to be rich, at
least worthwile.
Such fears remind me of an old woman, who is affraid to be raped.
When I receive mails from persons with whom I would like to establish a good
contact, and see, they are hesitating and evasive, I call them by phone and
settle the matter.
Since genealogy is about names, dates and places, at least with the dates,
you do not have to be picky.
You do not have to give away the full date. A year is enough. The same you
should expect from your counterparts. I am talking about living persons. The
rest is no secret.
Who is a son of whom is known to more than only family members, so it is
public. ( at least your neighbors know that) Most of the marriages are in
public and so are the funerals.
( Once a Registrar would not tell me, when somebody died. I said, I will go
to the cemetery and find this out. Go, she said. I went and found.)
===========
Back to e-mails;
I don't feel good, when I receive a mail from unknown person, that starts
with "Hi" and ends with "John"
This feeling has proven correct in most times.
Sending mails without addressing the person and without signature is an
insult.
Well then, enough of this very early morning poetry.
With best wishes,
Vladimir Bohinc




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tarkulich" <bill@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:19 AM
Subject: RE: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed


> Anabeth,
> You make a good point.  With so much spam running amok, it's best to write
> an email subject carefully.  I like to use surnames and place names to
alert
> people when they see a sender (me) that they don't know.
>
> I spend a lot of time "cold-calling" people in my genealogical work, both
by
> email, phone and letter.  A well placed letter of introduction is always
in
> order.  When someone like this writes to you, ask him/her all the same
> questions you might want to write in a letter of introduction.
>
> The first thing I try to do is prove they are serious in their intent.
Many
> people throw out a bunch of names and see what will stick.  Very lazy
> approach - they get out what they put in, very little.  It has been my
> experience that people who are dead serious about their researcher (those
> are the people you want to talk to) will be willing to share lots of
> information.
>
> Some questions you should ask:
> Where village are your ancestors from?  Where do you live now?
> Have you written to the family in the US?  Where are they?  What are their
> names?
> Have you written a family tree? Can I see it?  What are your surnames?
> Have you looked at village records for family?
> Do you know people of my surname?  Who?
> What can you tell me about the village?
>
>
> I think it's entirely safe to tell him/her:
> My immigrant ancestor NAME was born about 18xx in and came to the US in
> 19yy.  His spouse's name was... He had brothers/sisters/parents named etc.
> Have you heard of these names?
>
> This inquisition should not only demonstrate knowledge, but willingness to
> share, and seriousness of intent.  Follow this with a series of measured
> exchanges and see just how helpful s/he is.  The overwhelming number of
> people in the SR are incredibly sincere and generous.  You also have the
> great pond called the Atlantic Ocean between the two of you.  I used to
> worry at first that they would show up at my doorstep someday.  That just
> simply isn't going to happen.
>
> I am in the enviable position of just having opened up "pandora's box" of
> immigrants from the village of Ulic and environs.  I have located where a
> large number of them settled and am in the process of matching up American
> with Slovak national families.  I have people in Ulic who are looking and
> people in America looking.  Even being familiar with the village, you
still
> have to approach each introduction with kid gloves.  Not only to show I am
> serious, but also to measure how interested the receiving end is.  I need
> not tell you how many of our relatives are NOT interested in genealogy!
>
> Good Luck and tell us how you make out.
>
> ______________
> Bill Tarkulich
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dollins [mailto:axd2@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:48 AM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Your expert opinions needed
>
>
> >     It is always wise to be cautious. Since Ladislav has not made any
> suspicious requests I would continue the correspondence. He appears to
have
> a legitimate interest since your surname is the same as the family he is
> looking for in the USA.
> >     Genealogy research by its nature requires you to trust that people
> > are
> wanting or needing help . . .  There is a  serendipity in helping, often
by
> accident relatives make contact or are put  in contact with one another.
>
> Last fall I went back and forth with someone who contacted me about one of
> my surnames. His first email was "want photos?" (Talk about suspicious!)
We
> kept writing for a couple of weeks and eventually discovered that we have
> the same great-grandparents. Now I have about fifty more cousins in
Slovakia
> than I did a couple of months ago!
>
> Keep writing. You never know what might come of the correspondence!
>
> Anabeth
>
>
>
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