Are the Library of Congress maps still coming?  I thought they had run out.
Nonetheless, I did receive some, and they are great -- but none shows the
old county lines.  There are some web pages that show the old counties of
Hungary altogether, and another one that shows details of each county, for
example broken down into subdivisions, with many small towns and villages.
You need to remember that the place names will all be in Hungarian too,
though.


----- Original Message -----
From: <Ylbrd@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties in Slovakia


> In a message dated 01/05/2000 2:22:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mmarkotan@... writes:
>
> > I am looking for a map of Slovakia that shows the break down of the
> counties.
> >  I have 3 different maps and non of them show the counties.  I have an
> > excellent road map from EuroTravel that I use, but it doesn't have the
> break
> > down of counties either.  I am looking for the county which Rimavska
Sobota
> > is located in which is about 110-120 miles east of Bratislava.  My
> husband's
> > ancestor's came from a small town a few miles from there.  My husband
has a
> > great uncle still living who was born there, but even he can't tell me
the
> > county name.
> >
> >  Any help would be appreciated.
> >  Thanks
> >  Marlene Markotan
> >  Morgantown, PA
>
>
> Ahoj, Marlene, try putting the town name in at this search page it will
show
> you where and make a map too..........
>  <A HREF="http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlseeker/loctown.htm">JewishGen
> ShtetlSeeker - Town Search</A>
> also you can order maps from the Library of Congress.........
>
> >>The following appeared in the 23 August 1998 issue of the Eastern
> Catholic Life newspaper.(Quoted in its entirety)
>     "Historical Maps Available for Family Genealogists
>     This letter is sent in order to inform you that we have Austria-
> Hungary and other maps showing villages in Central and Eastern
> Europe, including the area of Pod-Karpatska Rus  that the ancestors
> of many of us once inhabited.  Copies  are available to the public
> either free of charge or at a nominal cost.  This should be of special
> interest to your readers who are doing genealogical research.
>     Those interested are urged to write or e-mail including the
> names of the villages from which their ancestors emigrated. Any
> accompanying information, such as what country the village
> presently lies in, would also be helpful.  We will  then do our best
> to provide copies of maps to them.
>
> Mailing address:
> Geography and Map Division
> Library of Congress
> Washington, DC  20540
> Attn: Dr. Stephen Paczolt
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Dr. Stephen Paczolt
> Sr. Technical Information Specialist
> e-mail address: maps@...<<
>
> This is free..takes about 3 weeks to get......These are CIA Maps..give
them
> the names of the Villages you are researching they will mark them on the
map
> in different time frames.........
> Cathy
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Go to the Slovak Republic GenWeb via http://www.rootsweb.com/~ceneurgw
for a map of where the counties are for the Slovak Republic .... which
is the official name, not Slovakia.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
sabinov@...
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Does anyone know where the village of Balaztol, Beregh County would be circa
1900's? I am searching for OLASHINE.

John Allison
Great Danes and Saddlebreds
Wits End Farm
Shelbyville, KY

Sabinov was in Austria-Hungary, not Austria.
It is listed as part of Hungary in the catalog at the FHC.

Nearly all of my maternal line lived in Sabinov from the late 1600's to
now. The Catholic records are well filmed by the FHC until approximately
1895, however, they are not indexed, but are relatively easy to use once
you get the hang of it. You can use film # 1793694 to look the listing
up in the catalog at the FHC (use search by film # feature) as Sabinov
is listed under the Hungarian name of Kis-Zeben, not under Sabinov.

Anyone from Sabinov in the old days  will commonly refer to themselves
as Hungarian, not Austrian. My great grandparents (according to my
mother) were adamant that she was from Hungary (Sabinov) and he was
Austrian (as he was from Bohemia)! Now my relatives there seem to just
say "Slovak" as nationality, but identify more with Hungary than Germany
(Austria).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
sabinov@...
Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
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This identification may have had a lot to do with personal feelings and
nationalist sentiments.  A lot of Slovak immigrants, including most of the
people in my family, identified their country of origin as Austria rather
than Hungary.  The only one who chose the latter was the family
"Hungarianizer" or Magyaron who had been "raised Hungarian" by her Slovak
family.


----- Original Message -----
From: Maura Petzolt <sabinov@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Stary Family


> Sabinov was in Austria-Hungary, not Austria.
> It is listed as part of Hungary in the catalog at the FHC.
>
> Nearly all of my maternal line lived in Sabinov from the late 1600's to
> now. The Catholic records are well filmed by the FHC until approximately
> 1895, however, they are not indexed, but are relatively easy to use once
> you get the hang of it. You can use film # 1793694 to look the listing
> up in the catalog at the FHC (use search by film # feature) as Sabinov
> is listed under the Hungarian name of Kis-Zeben, not under Sabinov.
>
> Anyone from Sabinov in the old days  will commonly refer to themselves
> as Hungarian, not Austrian. My great grandparents (according to my
> mother) were adamant that she was from Hungary (Sabinov) and he was
> Austrian (as he was from Bohemia)! Now my relatives there seem to just
> say "Slovak" as nationality, but identify more with Hungary than Germany
> (Austria).
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
> sabinov@...
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> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
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The map that Maura suggested shows the modern political divisions of the
Slovak Republic, what we would call counties.  Is that what the question was
about, or was it the old counties like Saros= S~aris~, Abauj-Torna = Abov,
etc.?  Now personally I am a lot more interested in the latter, because
historically the zupa was the location for my ancestral villages.  For
example, there is a gorgeous map of old Saros County at
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/saros.jpg and it shows several of my
ancestral villages, including some south of the border in old Abov County.

Better search at
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlseeker/loctown.htm
It's probably one of the places with similar names there.

Jim
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jalliso1
   To: slovak-roots@onelist.com
   Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:03 PM
   Subject: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Beregh County @1900


   Does anyone know where the village of Balaztol, Beregh County would be circa
1900's? I am searching for OLASHINE.

   John Allison
   Great Danes and Saddlebreds
   Wits End Farm
   Shelbyville, KY


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Search here http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlseeker/loctown.htm
and you will find Sabinov right away.  There are too many possibilities for
the other town, but maybe you can narrow it down.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: <judyra42@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:29 AM
Subject: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Stary Family


> From: judyra42@...
>
> I am looking for information on Frank Stary who emigrated
> to the U.S in 1902. He was born in Sabinov, Austria in 1869
> and later married Annie from Slavatin or Salvatin, Austria.
> They also had four children who were born in Austria (Joseph,
>  Anna, John, and Frank) and two others who were born in the
> U.S. (Mary and Anthony). Also, where can I find information
> on the location of these two towns?
> Thanks.
> Judy
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Re: birth records for Cadca:

Bummer--I just returned that microfilm a month ago!  I could have looked
them  up for you.

The FHC microfilm number is 1978903.  It covers Cadca baptisms for
1835-1896 (among other things)--my grandmother was born there in 1886.  The
years around 1886 are very clearly written and well microfilmed (lucky you!).

You might also want to order film 1978904, which has Cadca marriages from
1787-1902.  If the earliest child was born 1880, I'd start looking in 1880
and work backwards.

To find the microfilm numbers for a given town, do the following:
go to www.familysearch.org
click on custom search
click on family history library catalog
click on place search
type in "Cadca <part of> Slovakia"
click on the highlighted town name
click on church records (vs. Jewish records)
click on highlighted words
click on "view film notes"; it will then tell you which film numbers cover
which years.

Joe Armata, one of our most helpful list members, sent me the following a
while back:

>For Cadca, it has:
>"Cadca is the administrative, commercial, cultural, and social
>center of Kysuce.  It arose in the second half of the 16th century.
>It's mentioned in the year 1598 as Chateza on territory belonging
>to the Strecno estate.  In the 18th century it became a county town
>with market privileges, and the seat of the border station. It lies
>at 420 m above sea level, where the northern border of the
>Javorniky hills meet with the Slovak Beskyd hills, in the upper
>Kysuca river valley.  It has 55 sections and 2 large affiliated
>villages (Horelica with 23 settlements and Cadecka with 9
>settlements).  The inhabitants earned a living in the past by
>farming, shepherding, wood processing, tinkering, peddling, sawmill
>work, and the railroad.  Today most work at industrial concerns and
>farming.  The population in 1869 was 3227, in 1970 it was 15,435,
>and in 1980 23,576.  Cadca has many cultural monuments, such as a
>Baroque church from 1735, a synagogue from 1864, and various
>memorial plaques of cultural noteworthies who worked in Kysuce (Dr.
>Ivan Halek, Peter Jilemnicky, Janko Kral, Jan Palarik, Ondris
>Jariabek, and others).  In the near environs of the town are sports
>and tourist facilities.  The town hosts the folklore ensemble
>Kysucan."

Hope this is helpful; go order that microfilm and have fun!

Julie Michutka
jmm@...


At 01:21 PM 1/5/00 -0600, you wrote:

>Adam Gabris and Eva Strba came to the U.S. with their children in 1899
>through NY.  (We have found them on the Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse
>passenger list). From Census material we know that they lived in Louisiana
>for a short time before settling in St. Louis, Missouri.  Their children,
>born in Slovakia, were Joseph b. 1880, Adam b. 1881, Louis b. 1887, and
>John b.1895 (Josephine was born in the U.S.).  The family story is that
>we came from Cadca (they said it was pronounced like cha-cha).
>
>Adam's father's name is possibly Joseph.  Eva's parents names are possibly
>Michael Strba and Eva Panac or Panric.  (From Death Certificates).
>
>That's where we get stuck...
>Thanks to the archives on the list, I have found out about FHCs (and the
>translation pages for birth, mar, and death) and the Slovak embassy site
>which will be helpful (we will try to get a birth certificate on my
>Great-grandpa John).
>
>Interested in any info on Cadca, how do I figure out Catholic churches
>in Cadca (will that be obvious when I look up Cadca at FHC?), and any
>suggestions on things we might be missing.
>
>Thank you,
>Debbie O'Connor

I probably need to know the old counties.  It seems everyone on this list is
always referring to one county or another and I don't know what county my
husband's family is from.  The towns are Susany and Hrnciarske Zaluzany.  A
couple of people told me to check certain counties for other families I am
interested in, but I am not sure where these counties are located since they
don't appear on any of my maps.  I would like to see if the FHS has
microfilm of records for Susany and Zaluzany, but I figured I needed to know
the name of the county first.  Last time I was at a FHS they didn't have
Slovak records on microfilm.  I have ordered records from The Netherlands
from the FHS so I know how their system works.  I had to enter a county name
and then a town to find the microfilm number for those.  I tried to lookup
the microfilm numbers on the FHS web site, but didn't find much for
Slovakia.  Someone told me they aren't on the web I have to go the the FHS
and search on their computer.

Also I had thought about writing to one of the Slovak Archives to obtain
records.  I was told each archive covers a particular region.  Since none of
the archives are located near the towns I am interested in I have no idea
which one to write to.  I thought maybe they were broken down into counties.

Thanks

Marlene Markotan
Morgantown, PA

Researching:  Markotan, Hornick/Hornak, Franko, Kocis, Farkasovsky, Kovach,
Kolenkas

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
To: Slovak Roots <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:25 PM
Subject: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


>The map that Maura suggested shows the modern political divisions of the
>Slovak Republic, what we would call counties.  Is that what the question
was
>about, or was it the old counties like Saros= S~aris~, Abauj-Torna = Abov,
>etc.?  Now personally I am a lot more interested in the latter, because
>historically the zupa was the location for my ancestral villages.  For
>example, there is a gorgeous map of old Saros County at
>http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/saros.jpg and it shows several of my
>ancestral villages, including some south of the border in old Abov County.
>
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Don't get discouaged Marlene, figuring out the counties is really tricky
for everyone.

Remember tho that you are not going to find anything in the FHC catalog
under Slovakia, or much under Slovak Republic as those are the new
names. Records for the area which is now the Slovak Republic will be
found under the location Hungary, and then the county or the town. So
make sure you check under -Hungary- not somewhere else.

You'll note that many of us who work with certain locations often give
out a film # to look up under the "search by film or fiche #" feature
(which you can also do on the website at familysearch.org) The catalog
can be very confusing, and it's not cross referenced very well. A really
good piece of advice I got when I first started was if you get confused,
use the fiche catalog at the FHC (it's not on line obviously) as that is
more cross referenced and inclusive. That's what I did when I started
researching and I did find things that way that I know I never would
have found in the CD catalog. So that's an option too.

Don't go the Archives route until  you've exhausted all the film
possibilies. They'll just duplicate what you can find yourself, and
sometimes they'll miss things because it's spelled kind of different or
something. Before I knew how good the Sabinov records were I paid
someone to research in the Presov archives for me. By the time I got the
work from him I had already found everything he had and more myself on
microfilm, as he had missed several items. And then it was just a
transcription not copies as the archives give you transcriptions not
copies. Lesson learned!

I've tried for years to get a concise listing of all the former counties
and match them to current names to no avail. Anyone know of a site with
them? Or maybe that's an idea we should do as a project, as I do want to
get our own SLOVAK-ROOTS site up soon....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
sabinov@...
Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is a duplicate of a sending to S_W, since counties came up in both
groups at the same time.

I think the detailed county maps are at the first url;  the second and
third contain interesting information - if it coincides with your
interests in old and new Hungary

Ron
the North Hungarian

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/1910ind.htm

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/

http://www.hungary.com/corvinus/hmcb/

http://user.itl.net/~glen/FamilyHistoryinHungary.html

and highly detailed maps of the high Tatras...

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/magas-t/1tatra.htm

Maura Petzolt wrote:
>
> Go to the Slovak Republic GenWeb via http://www.rootsweb.com/~ceneurgw
> for a map of where the counties are for the Slovak Republic .... which
> is the official name, not Slovakia.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
> sabinov@...
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Many if not all of the records from the Slovak Republic are available now.
I would imagine that the Family History web site can steer you to the right
place, IF you know the town where the records are kept.  That information is
available on microfilm, but sometimes just asking people is an easier way to
get it.  For starters, have you found these villages on the map of modern
Slovakia, so you at least know what major towns or cities they are near?

Andrea, another crazed searcher

----- Original Message -----
From: Marlene K. Markotan <mmarkotan@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


> I probably need to know the old counties.  It seems everyone on this list
is
> always referring to one county or another and I don't know what county my
> husband's family is from.  The towns are Susany and Hrnciarske Zaluzany.
A
> couple of people told me to check certain counties for other families I am
> interested in, but I am not sure where these counties are located since
they
> don't appear on any of my maps.  I would like to see if the FHS has
> microfilm of records for Susany and Zaluzany, but I figured I needed to
know
> the name of the county first.  Last time I was at a FHS they didn't have
> Slovak records on microfilm.  I have ordered records from The Netherlands
> from the FHS so I know how their system works.  I had to enter a county
name
> and then a town to find the microfilm number for those.  I tried to lookup
> the microfilm numbers on the FHS web site, but didn't find much for
> Slovakia.  Someone told me they aren't on the web I have to go the the FHS
> and search on their computer.
>
> Also I had thought about writing to one of the Slovak Archives to obtain
> records.  I was told each archive covers a particular region.  Since none
of
> the archives are located near the towns I am interested in I have no idea
> which one to write to.  I thought maybe they were broken down into
counties.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marlene Markotan
> Morgantown, PA
>
> Researching:  Markotan, Hornick/Hornak, Franko, Kocis, Farkasovsky,
Kovach,
> Kolenkas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
> To: Slovak Roots <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:25 PM
> Subject: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties
>
>
> >The map that Maura suggested shows the modern political divisions of the
> >Slovak Republic, what we would call counties.  Is that what the question
> was
> >about, or was it the old counties like Saros= S~aris~, Abauj-Torna =
Abov,
> >etc.?  Now personally I am a lot more interested in the latter, because
> >historically the zupa was the location for my ancestral villages.  For
> >example, there is a gorgeous map of old Saros County at
> >http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/saros.jpg and it shows several of my
> >ancestral villages, including some south of the border in old Abov
County.
> >
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Maura, what a great idea.  What we really need is a large map of modern
Slovakia, superimposed onto the old borders of the Zupy, if that is the
proper plural for Zupa.  Then, links to lists that have the old Hungarian
and new Slovak place names...

I do love those 1910 Hungarian maps on the Web, because at least you can
really see which villages were in what Zupa.

----- Original Message -----
From: Maura Petzolt <sabinov@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


> Don't get discouaged Marlene, figuring out the counties is really tricky
> for everyone.
>
> Remember tho that you are not going to find anything in the FHC catalog
> under Slovakia, or much under Slovak Republic as those are the new
> names. Records for the area which is now the Slovak Republic will be
> found under the location Hungary, and then the county or the town. So
> make sure you check under -Hungary- not somewhere else.
>
> You'll note that many of us who work with certain locations often give
> out a film # to look up under the "search by film or fiche #" feature
> (which you can also do on the website at familysearch.org) The catalog
> can be very confusing, and it's not cross referenced very well. A really
> good piece of advice I got when I first started was if you get confused,
> use the fiche catalog at the FHC (it's not on line obviously) as that is
> more cross referenced and inclusive. That's what I did when I started
> researching and I did find things that way that I know I never would
> have found in the CD catalog. So that's an option too.
>
> Don't go the Archives route until  you've exhausted all the film
> possibilies. They'll just duplicate what you can find yourself, and
> sometimes they'll miss things because it's spelled kind of different or
> something. Before I knew how good the Sabinov records were I paid
> someone to research in the Presov archives for me. By the time I got the
> work from him I had already found everything he had and more myself on
> microfilm, as he had missed several items. And then it was just a
> transcription not copies as the archives give you transcriptions not
> copies. Lesson learned!
>
> I've tried for years to get a concise listing of all the former counties
> and match them to current names to no avail. Anyone know of a site with
> them? Or maybe that's an idea we should do as a project, as I do want to
> get our own SLOVAK-ROOTS site up soon....
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
> sabinov@...
> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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Hi,
I'm beginning to think that no one out there likes me, :-( I'm trying to
determine what other villages around Markusovce might have church records.

I'm trying to locate people who are listed as being from Teplicka who were
baptized in Teplicka but are listed in the Markusovce records. Does anyone know
if Teplicka (or Lieskovany) had a parish that perhaps the priest from Markusovce
visited?

Also could village of Spisska Teplica, Slovakia also known as Teplicz or
Szepesteplicz, Szepes, Hungary be the same town as the current day Telpicka
which is South of Spisska Nov Ves, just below Lieskovany?

Names I'm searching are: Buksar, Franko, Hruby, Czvengross, Kalafut,
Jakubjansky, Spissak, Oravecz, Wartovnik.


Please anyone who has suggestions please let me know I'm not alone out here

Lisa Rhea Trimbath Baker
twosocks@...
http://www.koan.com/~twosocks/genealogy.html

> I probably need to know the old counties.  It seems everyone on this list is
> always referring to one county or another and I don't know what county my
> husband's family is from.  The towns are Susany and Hrnciarske Zaluzany.

Hi! Susany and H. Zaluzany (Hungarian name Fazekas-zsaluzsany) were
both in old Gemer/Kis Hont County.  They're just west of Rimavska
Sobota (Hungarian name Rimaszombat).  Kis Hont means Little Hont, it
was merged with Gemer into one county - don't confuse it with plain
old Hont, which was a separate county on its own.

Hope this helps!


Joe Armata
joe@...

Thanks.  I had previously found the towns on my map, but the map doesn't
have counties on it.

Marlene Markotan

Researching:  Markotan, Hornick/Hornak, Franko, Kocis, Farkasovsky, Kovach,
Kolenkas

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Armata <JOE@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


>> I probably need to know the old counties.  It seems everyone on this list
is
>> always referring to one county or another and I don't know what county my
>> husband's family is from.  The towns are Susany and Hrnciarske Zaluzany.
>
>Hi! Susany and H. Zaluzany (Hungarian name Fazekas-zsaluzsany) were
>both in old Gemer/Kis Hont County.  They're just west of Rimavska
>Sobota (Hungarian name Rimaszombat).  Kis Hont means Little Hont, it
>was merged with Gemer into one county - don't confuse it with plain
>old Hont, which was a separate county on its own.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>
>Joe Armata
>joe@...
>
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I have found these towns on a modern road map of the Slovak Republic.
Actually I had a relative who was born in Susany show me where the towns
were located since I had trouble finding them in the index.  Unfortunately
this relative has had a couple of strokes and can't remember anything about
the family beyond his parents.

Thanks again for your help.

Marlene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


>Many if not all of the records from the Slovak Republic are available now.
>I would imagine that the Family History web site can steer you to the right
>place, IF you know the town where the records are kept.  That information
is
>available on microfilm, but sometimes just asking people is an easier way
to
>get it.  For starters, have you found these villages on the map of modern
>Slovakia, so you at least know what major towns or cities they are near?
>
>Andrea, another crazed searcher
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marlene K. Markotan <mmarkotan@...>
>To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties
>
>
>> I probably need to know the old counties.  It seems everyone on this list
>is
>> always referring to one county or another and I don't know what county my
>> husband's family is from.  The towns are Susany and Hrnciarske Zaluzany.
>A
>> couple of people told me to check certain counties for other families I
am
>> interested in, but I am not sure where these counties are located since
>they
>> don't appear on any of my maps.  I would like to see if the FHS has
>> microfilm of records for Susany and Zaluzany, but I figured I needed to
>know
>> the name of the county first.  Last time I was at a FHS they didn't have
>> Slovak records on microfilm.  I have ordered records from The Netherlands
>> from the FHS so I know how their system works.  I had to enter a county
>name
>> and then a town to find the microfilm number for those.  I tried to
lookup
>> the microfilm numbers on the FHS web site, but didn't find much for
>> Slovakia.  Someone told me they aren't on the web I have to go the the
FHS
>> and search on their computer.
>>
>> Also I had thought about writing to one of the Slovak Archives to obtain
>> records.  I was told each archive covers a particular region.  Since none
>of
>> the archives are located near the towns I am interested in I have no idea
>> which one to write to.  I thought maybe they were broken down into
>counties.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marlene Markotan
>> Morgantown, PA
>>
>> Researching:  Markotan, Hornick/Hornak, Franko, Kocis, Farkasovsky,
>Kovach,
>> Kolenkas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrea Vangor <drav@...>
>> To: Slovak Roots <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:25 PM
>> Subject: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties
>>
>>
>> >The map that Maura suggested shows the modern political divisions of the
>> >Slovak Republic, what we would call counties.  Is that what the question
>> was
>> >about, or was it the old counties like Saros= S~aris~, Abauj-Torna =
>Abov,
>> >etc.?  Now personally I am a lot more interested in the latter, because
>> >historically the zupa was the location for my ancestral villages.  For
>> >example, there is a gorgeous map of old Saros County at
>> >http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/saros.jpg and it shows several of
my
>> >ancestral villages, including some south of the border in old Abov
>County.
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Thanks I will try the FHS Microfilm first.  How recent do the microfilm go?
The earliest birth dates I have are for the 1890s.  At least for this family
I have the town names and locations in the Slovak Republic.  The other
families I am researching I don't have any idea where they came from.  I
have sent for a few death certificates and in each one the place of birth is
Europe (real helpful) and the informant (who is a child of the deceased)
doesn't know the names of the deceased parent's!

Marlene Markotan
Morgantown, PA

Researching:  Markotan, Hornick, Franko, Kocis, Farkasovsky, Kovach,
Kolenkas

-----Original Message-----
From: Maura Petzolt <sabinov@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


>Don't get discouaged Marlene, figuring out the counties is really tricky
>for everyone.
>
>Remember tho that you are not going to find anything in the FHC catalog
>under Slovakia, or much under Slovak Republic as those are the new
>names. Records for the area which is now the Slovak Republic will be
>found under the location Hungary, and then the county or the town. So
>make sure you check under -Hungary- not somewhere else.
>
>You'll note that many of us who work with certain locations often give
>out a film # to look up under the "search by film or fiche #" feature
>(which you can also do on the website at familysearch.org) The catalog
>can be very confusing, and it's not cross referenced very well. A really
>good piece of advice I got when I first started was if you get confused,
>use the fiche catalog at the FHC (it's not on line obviously) as that is
>more cross referenced and inclusive. That's what I did when I started
>researching and I did find things that way that I know I never would
>have found in the CD catalog. So that's an option too.
>
>Don't go the Archives route until  you've exhausted all the film
>possibilies. They'll just duplicate what you can find yourself, and
>sometimes they'll miss things because it's spelled kind of different or
>something. Before I knew how good the Sabinov records were I paid
>someone to research in the Presov archives for me. By the time I got the
>work from him I had already found everything he had and more myself on
>microfilm, as he had missed several items. And then it was just a
>transcription not copies as the archives give you transcriptions not
>copies. Lesson learned!
>
>I've tried for years to get a concise listing of all the former counties
>and match them to current names to no avail. Anyone know of a site with
>them? Or maybe that's an idea we should do as a project, as I do want to
>get our own SLOVAK-ROOTS site up soon....
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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You start by finding the birth (or whatever) records you have info on
already, and then work backwards when you find parents names, go to
their marriages to find their parents names etc.

That's how I worked the Sabinov films starting with known birth records
in the 1860-1880's. I have them back to 1700 with some isolated notes in
the 1600's that I am working to piece together on the people involved.

Anything 1900 or after is considered private and you have to request the
record via the Embassy of the Slovak Republic in Washington DC. I
haven't done that myself, but have the form here somewhere. I think they
charge $15 US for each record.

Sabinov films go to 1890-1895 depending on the sacrament. They cut off a
bit early because I think the rest are in the book that includes 1900
entries (my theory only). Still, you should be able to do really well
with the set of films. Order the latest and work backwards.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
sabinov@...
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In a message dated 01/06/2000 4:27:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mmarkotan@... writes:

> Marlene Markotan
>
>  Researching:  Markotan, Hornick/Hornak, Franko, Kocis, Farkasovsky, Kovach,
>  Kolenkas
BTW Marlene my Grandfather's (AndrejAmbrisko) first wife was Maria,(Mary)
Kovach!

  Maria Kovach was his first Wife, her Father John Kovach(mother Annie) (born
in Burkowitz, Austria) was my Grandfathers Sponsor to come to the USA he
immigrated on 2-4-1898 on the SS Havel. Andrej & Maria married on 11-19-1898
in Ansonia Conn. @ St Peters and Paul Church, They settled in 89 Jersey St,
Ansonia,  Conn.  she then had a baby Marion on 8-31-1899.  Maria Kovach
Ambrisko died 13 days after giving birth. per the 1900 Census Andrej and
little Marion lived with the Kovach's @ 15 Clifton Ave in Ansonia, Ct as a
boarder

     1st wife Mary Kovach(b. 9-1877, Burkowitz, Austria d.9-12-1899 in
Ansonia, Ct)
     Father :John Kovach, Burkowitz, Austria
     Mother: Annie Kovach, Burkowitz, Austria
     Married: Andrej AMBRISKO on 11-19-1898, Peter & Paul Church, Ansonia, Ct.
     1 child Mary(Marion) E. Ambrisko (b. 8-31-1899 Ansonia Ct d.1975)
                     m. George Brennan of Derby CT(b.1896 d. 1969 )
                 Children:
                     George Brennan (Sonny) b.
                     m. Marge
                         Mary Ellen (Miller)(b.         )
                         Danny (b.         )
                         Micheal (b.       )
                     Marion Brennan b.
                      m.Jack Norris Palm Coast,  Fl
                             3 Children?

I have reached a point in the Opina records, beginning in the early 1840's,
where certain abbreviations are used to describe the social status of the
parents and sponsors of the baptised child.  It looks like a "ko:z." is
different than a "po'r" for some reason.  I can't find words that look
particularly like either one, unfortunately.  Since this is the point in
time where the Hungarian language is being used to define social states that
include true peasantry, I hope someone can help me decipher these words.

After 1848, it looks like other words are used.  My own hunch is that a
"ko:z." is short for the longer abbreviation of "ko"zseg", meaning villager.
If that is true, should we assume that the villager was a true peasant, and
if so what was the po'r?  A renter or tenant farmer?  After 1848 or so, the
word "sedlak" appears.  Does this mean yeoman farmer, or tenant?

Thanks for your help.  If the people who wrote these baffling remarks were
not already dead, they would be in big trouble...

Andrea

Thank you Maura. You saved me some time looking for Sabinov records. The
Soltesz (Soltiss or whatever) family had been there since before 1900. Abt 20
yrs ago, family there was visited by relatives from here who are now
deceased. There were adult children and grandchildren then of Tony or Anthony
Soltesz. So I am sure there still must be some of the family there. Had
thought it would be easier to contact them and get info.. Person looked for
me in "Sabinov" section of phone directory but no Soltesz listing. Didn't
think to suggest other spellings. Maybe no phone.
    Martha Soltesz

I"ve been asked by someone on the list to make a correction.....

evidently you can find some counties in the catalog at the FHC under
location Slovakia.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
sabinov@...
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I think they are getting caught up with their Slovak records.  For example,
there was no information on Liptovska Porubka when I checked last year, but
it showed up a few months ago.  So we can hope for further improvements!

----- Original Message -----
From: Maura Petzolt <sabinov@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Counties


> I"ve been asked by someone on the list to make a correction.....
>
> evidently you can find some counties in the catalog at the FHC under
> location Slovakia.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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OK, now I"m confused.... but then it's been a wild week, and it doesn't
take much to confuse me lately......

Are you saying you have Soltese/Soltez family in Sabinov? Maybe I didn't
read your messages right, I thought it was Stary.

Now here's the thing.... I have a Jankovich family member who married a
Soltese, or is it she was a Soltese and then married into the family on
her second marriage? It's a branch I haven't gotten a good handle on
yet.

My mother's cousin Stephan GREGA who came here from Sabinov in 1947 and
died in 1970's, his mother was Maria SOLTESE and is buried in Sabinov.
Where it gets fuzzy is that she married twice, so I am not sure if
Soltese is her true maiden name or if that was her first husband.
GIRGASH is involved in this whole thing too.

In any case, when I thought SOLTESE was going to be a major interest for
me, I did a lot of noticing them in the records. They are all over those
Sabinov records.

I also had the friend who was in the Peace Corps near Sabinov and who
had been helping me with research there, take photos of the Soltese's
graves which are in the cemetery there around my Jankovich, Girgash etc
ones. I just pulled out the photos and here is what I have.....

Peter Soltes a manzelka (and wife) Maria
(no date on that one, but it's a newer fancier one)

Stefan Soltese 10 Sept 1862
20 July 1922

double grave, new headstone, obviously not done at time of deaths
Zofia Soltesova
25 April 1910
Juarj Soltese
6 April 1907

The cemetery records are not filmed and getting information involved
some (ahem) monetary exchanges with the caretaker, if you get my drift.

A disturbing issue in that cemetery is that there is no "perpetual
care", so when the living family is unable, or unavailable to pay every
10 years or so, to keep the grave up, then they can resell the plot.
This  happened unfortunately when my friend went to find the grave of my
great-grandfather, with a photo of the huge granite cross headstone. He
then informed me that in 1993, when no family could be contacted and
those still in Sabinov couldn't afford it, my great grandfather was dug
up, stone destroyed, and his bones buried deeper in the plot, which was
then resold to another family. They have a big granite slab there now,
they haven't buried anyone there yet. Needless to say I was extremely
upset and, well I really can't even describe how I feel. I did have
someone contact the current owners to try and buy it back but they
refused. I then had my friend go through the books to see if any other
family plots were in danger of this, and one, that of my gr/gr/uncle who
was the head priest there, was up for sale soon. I immediately paid the
fee, only about $35 US for 10 years, and saved that from being sold.
That grave is in horrible condition, (most in the cemetery are covered
with a solid granite slab close to the ground with a large marble marker
headstone) and I can't afford to fix it, but at least his "eternal rest
" is not going to be disturbed.

In any case, maybe there is some connection with this Soltese family in
Sabinov.....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
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In the Saris region of Vychodna, SOLTIS is as common as SMITH OR JONES
is in this country.

"TRADITION is the JOYFUL memory of a people!"

To everyone who is doing researching my advice is to keep trying.  I
received today a marriage certificate (list) for my great grandparents
from 1865 in Slovenija and a baptism certificate for my grandfather.
They are full of information.  Using my slovene dictionary I can
determine what most of the items are but wondered if someone could
decipher a couple of lines to check my accuracy.  Or can someone tell me
the site where I've heard you can go to translate on-line.  There
appears to be possibly two languages on these forms.  I of course can
make out the names, ages, etc.  After the ages are the letter "J".  What
does that mean?  This is on both the bride and groom.  I've been told
about the denotation of 1/2 farmer, 1/4 farmer, etc.  On these forms the
people involved are 1/2 Hublerssohn, 1/2 Hubl, 1/2 Hublerstochter  and
4/4 Hubl.  What does that mean?

The following is on the marriage list:  Krstno in rodbinsko ime,
prebivalisce, stan, starost, samec, vdovec, vera.  Right under that
which I think is the same thing in another language is Nomen, cognomen,
domicilium, conditio, aetas, religio sponsi.  The title about my great
grandmother is Nevesta - Sponsa which I found to mean "bride".  The
title over my grandfather is "Zenin - Sponsus" but I can't find that.

On the baptismal certificate: Zakonski, nezakonski, civilno zak, sin,
hci

             Priimek, ime, poklic, vera

             Kraj, st., zupnija, bivalisca starsev

             Primek, ime, poklic botrov
             Cognomen, nomen, conditio patrinorum

             Krstitelj
             Baptizans


Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Phyllis

Maura, I was the one who inquired about the Stary family in Sabinov. On my
great-grandfather's naturalization papers, he listed Sabinov, Austria as his
birthplace. However, his wife and children were born in the town of Slavatin
(sp) which from all the stories I've heard through the years, is in Bohemia.
That either suggests that at some time he moved westward from Slovak Republic
or, the town that was listed on the paperwork is the incorrect spelling and it
is actually in Bohemia.
At this point, I'm not sure where to go. I live in Cairo, Egypt and won't be
able to access the FHC's until the summer.
On Fri, 07 January 2000, Maura Petzolt wrote:

>
> OK, now I"m confused.... but then it's been a wild week, and it doesn't
> take much to confuse me lately......
>
> Are you saying you have Soltese/Soltez family in Sabinov? Maybe I didn't
> read your messages right, I thought it was Stary.
>
> Now here's the thing.... I have a Jankovich family member who married a
> Soltese, or is it she was a Soltese and then married into the family on
> her second marriage? It's a branch I haven't gotten a good handle on
> yet.
>
> My mother's cousin Stephan GREGA who came here from Sabinov in 1947 and
> died in 1970's, his mother was Maria SOLTESE and is buried in Sabinov.
> Where it gets fuzzy is that she married twice, so I am not sure if
> Soltese is her true maiden name or if that was her first husband.
> GIRGASH is involved in this whole thing too.
>
> In any case, when I thought SOLTESE was going to be a major interest for
> me, I did a lot of noticing them in the records. They are all over those
> Sabinov records.
>
> I also had the friend who was in the Peace Corps near Sabinov and who
> had been helping me with research there, take photos of the Soltese's
> graves which are in the cemetery there around my Jankovich, Girgash etc
> ones. I just pulled out the photos and here is what I have.....
>
> Peter Soltes a manzelka (and wife) Maria
> (no date on that one, but it's a newer fancier one)
>
> Stefan Soltese 10 Sept 1862
> 20 July 1922
>
> double grave, new headstone, obviously not done at time of deaths
> Zofia Soltesova
> 25 April 1910
> Juarj Soltese
> 6 April 1907
>
> The cemetery records are not filmed and getting information involved
> some (ahem) monetary exchanges with the caretaker, if you get my drift.
>
> A disturbing issue in that cemetery is that there is no "perpetual
> care", so when the living family is unable, or unavailable to pay every
> 10 years or so, to keep the grave up, then they can resell the plot.
> This  happened unfortunately when my friend went to find the grave of my
> great-grandfather, with a photo of the huge granite cross headstone. He
> then informed me that in 1993, when no family could be contacted and
> those still in Sabinov couldn't afford it, my great grandfather was dug
> up, stone destroyed, and his bones buried deeper in the plot, which was
> then resold to another family. They have a big granite slab there now,
> they haven't buried anyone there yet. Needless to say I was extremely
> upset and, well I really can't even describe how I feel. I did have
> someone contact the current owners to try and buy it back but they
> refused. I then had my friend go through the books to see if any other
> family plots were in danger of this, and one, that of my gr/gr/uncle who
> was the head priest there, was up for sale soon. I immediately paid the
> fee, only about $35 US for 10 years, and saved that from being sold.
> That grave is in horrible condition, (most in the cemetery are covered
> with a solid granite slab close to the ground with a large marble marker
> headstone) and I can't afford to fix it, but at least his "eternal rest
> " is not going to be disturbed.
>
> In any case, maybe there is some connection with this Soltese family in
> Sabinov.....
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Maura Petzolt             Mobile Alabama USA
> sabinov@...
> Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
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Hi Phyllis

Well, to start with, this words are SLOVENIAN and not SLOVAK so they are
in a different language.

I do recogonize a few of them. KRST refers to baptism, STAROST is the
person who was the Best Man at the wedding and is usual the child's
god-father.

I'll recheck your list and speak with some Slovenian friends and see
what we can come up with....

happy hunting!
mark

"TRADITION is the JOYFUL memory of a people!"