Thanks for the info.  Even though he used the names Andrew
Hricz/Hritz/Reese in America, I found his tombstone was marked Andro
Hric.  Interesting that after using the Americanized name "Reese" for
many years, he was buried under the old name "Hric".  One of the
villages you mentioned is probably the correct one.  I hope to find the
county soon through other records in America.

Ron

John M, wrote:

> At 05:11 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Mary Agnes Hric/Hricz/Hritz/Reese/Rees was born in Svinska on 19 Sep
> >1893 and immigrated on May 15, 1897.
>
> There is one Hric in Trebisov, nine in Mihalovce, about 15 in Presov,
> probably more than 70 in Kosice.  It appears that Hric is the more
> popular
> version of the spelling currently in Slovakia.  The "cz" in Hungarian is
> pronounced "ts".  I believe the Slovak "c" can be pronounced "ts".  The
> Hungarian Maczko and Slovak Macko are both pronounced Mah-tsko.  I think
> the Slovak Hric would be pronounced Hrits.
>
> >The odd thing is that Mary Agnes Reese is my grandpa John Tomko's 3rd
> >cousin, and all of my grandpa's ancestors, going back 3 generations
> >further in all lines, are from Trebisov, Zemplen County.  So I would be
> >very surprised if Svinska is very far from Trebisov,
>
> Svinica is 13.3 miles WNW of Trebisov (S^aris^ ) and Svinice is 13.8
> miles
> SSE of Trebisov (Zemplen).
>
> John M.
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At 03:21 AM 7/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>I am trying to find info on Koches, Hirchak, Moros.  These are my
>grandparents great grandparents.  They are from Austria-hungary, or
>Czechoslovakia.  Martin Koches (Kocis) married Susie Moros and they
>lived in Ramey, PA  Thier daughter Anna Kocis married John Sylvester
>Hirchak (Hircak, Herchock) and lived in Detroit  Thank you.

What have you done to date?  Have you located their villages in
Europe?  Did you find them in the Ellis Island Database?  Have you checked
vital statistics in Ramey.  What church did they belong to?

I believe your best bet is to join the Smerek
list.  http://www.topica.com/lists/smerek/

Most of the members are from or their ancestors are from the Ramey,
Houtzdale, Madera, Clearfield County area.  You will find towns in Galicia
associated with surnames
at  http://members.tripod.com/warholic/  .  Although the names you are
interested may not be from Gailicia, many list members still live in the
area and may be familiar with your surnames.

The following is based on the "birds of a feather flock together"
hypothesis.  My wife's grandparents emigrated from Gerlachov, Upper Hungary
to Morann, Pa, which is about two miles from Ramey.  The Ellis Island  data
base show Hircaks coming from Gaboltov which is about two or three miles
from Gerlachov.  There is a Peter Hirc^ak listed for Gaboltov in the Slovak
online directory.

I found a Susanna Moros from Fricka, which is only about two miles up the
road from Gabaltov.  It also shows a Suzana Morosz from Hosszuret, which is
now part of Bardejov and only a few miles from Gabaltov.  I found one Moroz
listing for Bardejov in the online SK phone directory.  Based on EIDB
records, I didn't find any of these names associated with Ramey.

John M

I came across a Hric while researching my Karkos line. I have his
obituary if you want it. His name was John J. Hric, Jr. (wife was
Mary E. Gamrat) and he was the son of John J. and Susan Borcsak Hric
Sr. John Jr. was from the Lisbon Falls, Maine Slovak community, many
of whom came from the Parchovany/Trebisov areas.

At Mt. Calvary Cemetery in Lisbon Falls, where many Slovaks are
buried (there is another Slovak cemetery in town also), there is a
stone for a Joseph Hric, 1870-1933, who is the father of John J. Hric
Sr., who was born Jan. 13, 1892 and died Feb. 8, 1968. His wife,
Susan Borcsak was born July 15, 1895 and died Nov. 20, 1980.



--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Ron Milliken <rmilliken@s...>
wrote:
> Thanks for the info.  Even though he used the names Andrew
> Hricz/Hritz/Reese in America, I found his tombstone was marked
Andro
> Hric.  Interesting that after using the Americanized name "Reese"
for
> many years, he was buried under the old name "Hric".  One of the
> villages you mentioned is probably the correct one.  I hope to find
the
> county soon through other records in America.
>
> Ron
>
> John M, wrote:
>
> > At 05:11 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Mary Agnes Hric/Hricz/Hritz/Reese/Rees was born in Svinska on 19
Sep
> > >1893 and immigrated on May 15, 1897.
> >
> > There is one Hric in Trebisov, nine in Mihalovce, about 15 in
Presov,
> > probably more than 70 in Kosice.  It appears that Hric is the
more
> > popular
> > version of the spelling currently in Slovakia.  The "cz" in
Hungarian is
> > pronounced "ts".  I believe the Slovak "c" can be
pronounced "ts".  The
> > Hungarian Maczko and Slovak Macko are both pronounced Mah-tsko.
I think
> > the Slovak Hric would be pronounced Hrits.
> >
> > >The odd thing is that Mary Agnes Reese is my grandpa John
Tomko's 3rd
> > >cousin, and all of my grandpa's ancestors, going back 3
generations
> > >further in all lines, are from Trebisov, Zemplen County.  So I
would be
> > >very surprised if Svinska is very far from Trebisov,
> >
> > Svinica is 13.3 miles WNW of Trebisov (S^aris^ ) and Svinice is
13.8
> > miles
> > SSE of Trebisov (Zemplen).
> >
> > John M.
> >
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Ron

You like to do your genealogical surname reserach the old way.

Sometimes in ship manifests Slovakia place names ending in -ica
were spelled using -ska ending.
(-ská can be a fem. gender word ending)

Svinica (Sk) Peto"szinye (H) is located :
10 miles from Kos^ice
13 miles from Trebis^ov
21 miles from Pres^ov and Michalovce

The LDS-Mormons have filmed the Kos^ice parish church records
for Svinica.

Svinica (RC)
      (See Ruskov)
1789-1901
Svinica (Ev)
      (See Vys^ná Kamenica)
1776-1896
Svinica (GC)
      (See Kos^icky' Klec^enov)
1788-1906
Svinica (Ref)
      (See Bidovce)
1737-1897
Svinica (Ref)
-------------
Svinice (GC)  Szinyér (H)
      (See Zemplín)
1804-1895
Svinice (RC)
      (See Rad)
1749-1780,1815-1869

Some abbreviations used  for various denominations :
             Hungarian            English
rk.-RK.   római katholikus    Roman Catholic
gk. GK.   görög katholikus    Greek Catholic/Byzantine
kg. KG.   keleti görög        Greek Oriental (Eastern Orthodox)
ag. AG.   ágostai             Evangelical (Lutheran)
ref. REF. református          Reformed (Calvinist)
izr. IZR. izraelita           Israelite (Jewish)


vel'a  s^t'astia !

Frank K

Dear Sir/Madam,

                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am writing from
Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is Vangel with `V´ in its
origin it was with `W´, because the surname of my grandfather was Wangel. His
name was Stefan Wangel and he came to Argentina around 1914 from Slovakia, from
a village or town called `Slanica´ into a region called `Zupra Povaska´.
                             Well, I`ve found a village called `Slanica´
(Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´ and `Trstena´ in
Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is the same village from
where my grandfather came. I hope your answer. Thank you very much.

Mr Leandro Vangel


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Thanks Leandro, Frank, Terry, John, and Bill for all your help.  It
looks like there are several villages which could be the "Slanica" I am
seeking.  Next week I will be checking many church and civil records in
Clearfield County Pennsylvania where they lived.  Hopefully, one of
those records may give clearer information about the identity of their
home village in Europe.  If not, I will have to go through the passenger
lists page-by-page of all ships arriving when they supposedly arrived in
New York, since they do not appear in the passenger lists index, or at
least in the index on the internet, which is really a transcription of a
transcription.

Like Bill said, I have a lot of homework to do.

Ron

Leandro wrote:

> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am
> writing from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is
> Vangel with `V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of
> my grandfather was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to
> Argentina around 1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called
> `Slanica´ into a region called `Zupra Povaska´.
>                             Well, I`ve found a village called
> `Slanica´ (Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´
> and `Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is
> the same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer.
> Thank you very much.
>
> Mr Leandro Vangel
>
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Go for it with gusto!  It's much better to have too many leads and too
much work than dead ends.  Count your lucky stars that you're not from a
region whose records were destroyed, with no chance of recovery!
Good Luck and let us know how it goes!  (You may need a stronger reading
glass prescription by the end of this project!!! :)

______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Village name Slanica


Thanks Leandro, Frank, Terry, John, and Bill for all your help.  It
looks like there are several villages which could be the "Slanica" I am
seeking.  Next week I will be checking many church and civil records in
Clearfield County Pennsylvania where they lived.  Hopefully, one of
those records may give clearer information about the identity of their
home village in Europe.  If not, I will have to go through the passenger

lists page-by-page of all ships arriving when they supposedly arrived in

New York, since they do not appear in the passenger lists index, or at
least in the index on the internet, which is really a transcription of a

transcription.

Like Bill said, I have a lot of homework to do.

Ron

Leandro wrote:

> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am
> writing from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is
> Vangel with `V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of
> my grandfather was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to
> Argentina around 1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called
> `Slanica´ into a region called `Zupra Povaska´.
>                             Well, I`ve found a village called
> `Slanica´ (Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´

> and `Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is

> the same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer.
> Thank you very much.
>
> Mr Leandro Vangel
>
>
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Leandro,
There are many VANGEL still living in Slovakia.  Go to
http://www.centroconsult.sk/Support/phone.html for instruction on how to
use the Slovakia phone book.  Enter VANGEL and the area code '0'.
Remember, many people moved, especially since 1945, so don't be
surprised if the name is not in the village.

The Hungarians named it SZLANICA, and sometimes SZLANICZA.

Have you also looked at www.ellisisland.org for VANGEL from
Hungary/Slovakia?  Examining these names might lead you to a village
too.,
I find:
89. Sandor Vangel    Slanicz, Hungary    1907  2(US born) , traveled
with  Vangel, Haelena F 26y , (born Dhla') destination Wisconson
113. Yan Vangel    Szlanicza, Hungary    1908  42  , travelled with
Koloscak, Matus, age 16 from same village, Destination Carstadt Ontario.
______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Leandro [mailto:leandrovangel@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:58 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Village name Slanica


Dear Sir/Madam,

                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am writing
from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is Vangel with
`V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of my grandfather
was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to Argentina around
1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called `Slanica´ into a
region called `Zupra Povaska´.
                             Well, I`ve found a village called `Slanica´
(Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´ and
`Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is the
same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer. Thank
you very much.

Mr Leandro Vangel


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After many years of research, I have identified all 16 of my mother's
great-great-grandparents, half or them Slovak and half of them Rusyn.
This current Hric research should not be as difficult, as I am just
trying to connect a person, known to be my grandpa's 3rd cousin, with my
direct ancestry.  A very interesting exercise, none the less.  My guess
is that the common ancestor will be from Trebisov, with Slanica an
intermediate step.

Ron

Bill Tarkulich wrote:

> Go for it with gusto!  It's much better to have too many leads and too
> much work than dead ends.  Count your lucky stars that you're not from a
> region whose records were destroyed, with no chance of recovery!
> Good Luck and let us know how it goes!  (You may need a stronger reading
> glass prescription by the end of this project!!! :)
>
> ______________
> Bill Tarkulich
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Village name Slanica
>
>
> Thanks Leandro, Frank, Terry, John, and Bill for all your help.  It
> looks like there are several villages which could be the "Slanica" I am
> seeking.  Next week I will be checking many church and civil records in
> Clearfield County Pennsylvania where they lived.  Hopefully, one of
> those records may give clearer information about the identity of their
> home village in Europe.  If not, I will have to go through the passenger
>
> lists page-by-page of all ships arriving when they supposedly arrived in
>
> New York, since they do not appear in the passenger lists index, or at
> least in the index on the internet, which is really a transcription of a
>
> transcription.
>
> Like Bill said, I have a lot of homework to do.
>
> Ron
>
> Leandro wrote:
>
> > Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> >                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am
> > writing from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is
> > Vangel with `V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of
> > my grandfather was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to
> > Argentina around 1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called
> > `Slanica´ into a region called `Zupra Povaska´.
> >                             Well, I`ve found a village called
> > `Slanica´ (Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´
>
> > and `Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is
>
> > the same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer.
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Mr Leandro Vangel
> >
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SOURCE: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellisshort.html
Immigrants from Svinska:

1 Polifka,Maria Svinska, Cz. Slov. 1921  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image

193 Feciskamin,Anna Sviniszki, Cecho Slovakia 1921  12   Passenger
Record  Text Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
194 Feciskamin,Helena Sviniszki, Cecho Slovakia 1921  3   Passenger
Record  Text Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
195 Feciskamin,Ila Sviniszki, Cecho Slovakia 1921  35   Passenger Record
Text Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
196 Feciskamin,Michael Sviniszki, Cecho Slovakia 1921  14   Passenger
Record  Text Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
197
182 Drmeeie,Gyuro Svanysko, Hungary 1909  20   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
818 Plesa,Marya Sevanska, Hungary 1914  26   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
819 Plesa,Mauric Sevanska, Hungary 1914  44   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
823 Polifka,Maria Svinska, Cz. Slov. 1921  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
846 Rak,Franjo Svanjska 1906  36   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
1238 Zlokara,Mile Sweniski, Hungary 1912  28   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image


consider that present day SVINCA (SE of Kosice) was called  SWINCZA AND
PETOSZINYE by the Magyars
Austria Hungary could also include, Czech republic, Galicia (Poland) or
western Ukraine

______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:11 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Town name Svinska


Mary Agnes Hric/Hricz/Hritz/Reese/Rees was born in Svinska on 19 Sep
1893 and immigrated on May 15, 1897.

Her father's declaration of intention in 1894 uses the name Hricz, and
his petition for naturalization in 1902 uses the name Reese, and Mary
Agnes indicates on her petition for naturalization that she immigrated
in 1897 under the name Mary Agnes Reese.  Although it would be
surprising if she changed her name before she immigrated.

The odd thing is that Mary Agnes Reese is my grandpa John Tomko's 3rd
cousin, and all of my grandpa's ancestors, going back 3 generations
further in all lines, are from Trebisov, Zemplen County.  So I would be
very surprised if Svinska is very far from Trebisov, although the child
or grandchild of the common Tomko/Hric ancestor could have moved to
anywhere before Mary Agnes was born.

I really appreciate your help with this.

Ron

Bill Tarkulich wrote:

> Ron,
> EIDB only indexed records of passengers from 1892 to 1924, so this
> would explain Andro's absence. Tell us more about Mary, we'll take a
> look at the EIDB as a second set of eyes, looking for other clues.
> Approx birth year, possible village of birth, possible destination.
>
> Bill Tarkulich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:18 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Town name Svinska
>
>
> The name of the immigrant is Andro Hric, also spelled Andrew Hricz or
> Hritz.  I could not find him in the EIDB, even though his
> naturalization
>
> records indicate he immigrated 9 Aug 1888 into the Port of New York.
>
> I could not find his daughter, Mary,  in the EIDB, either.  Her
> naturalization papers say she immigrated on 15 May 1897 into the Port
> of
>
> New York from Hamburg, Germany.  Her father Americanized his name to
> "Reese", so she could immigrated as a Hric, Hricz, Hritz, or Reese.
>
> The name of the ship is unknown in both immigrations.
>
> Any idea which village would be this "Svinska", given the family name?
>
> Ron
>
> Vladimir Bohinc wrote:
>
> >Dear Ron,
> >I am sure, you can imagine, that there were almost always more places

> >with similar names.Therefore, a search for "Svinska" only brings more

> >questions, than answers. Only in Slovakia, we have: Svinia,
> >Svinica,Svinice, Svinna. Austria can be Austrian part of
> >Austro-Hungary
>
> >or can be short for Austro Hungary, which would include the hunagrian

> >part too. At least a surname could narrow the place
> >search/identification. Can he be found in EIDB? Always, when you are
> >asking somebody for help, try to give as much as possible info, and
> >not as little as possible. Also a brief outline of what has been done

> >to date. Thanks,
> >Vladimir
> >
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or search http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellisshort.html
for SZLANICZA and variants:
1 Bela,Vojtanek Szlanicza 1899  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
2 Belcsak,Peter Szlanicza 1910  37   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
3 Bodorik,Vendel Szlanicza 1904  18   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
4 Boncsek,Ferencz Szlanicza 1905  33   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
5 Brija,Josef Szlanicza 1900  39   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
6 Brija,Zsofia Szlanicza 1909  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
7 Bucsan,Karoly Szlanicza 1902  28   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
8 Bucz,Francz Szlanicza 1900  7   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
9 Bucz,Jakob Szlanicza 1900  8   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
10 Bucz,Jan Szlanicza 1900  9   Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
11 Bucz,Josef Szlanicza 1900  40   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
12 Bucz,Ludwig Szlanicza 1900  3   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
13 Bucz,Maria Szlanicza 1900  35   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
14 Bucz,Roman Szlanicza 1900  0   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
15 Bugel,Apolonia Szlanicza, Hungary 1907  11   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
16 Bugel,Jano Szlanicza 1903  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
17 Bugel,Peter Szlanicza, Hungary 1907  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
18 Burak,Janos Szlanicza 1902  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
19 Drobniak,Maria Szlanicza, Hungary 1910  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
20 Gogolak,Maria Szlanicza 1902  40   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
21 Gogolyak,Ede Szlanicza, Hungary 1912  19   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
22 Grobarcik,Pal Szlanicza 1905  32   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
23 Gura,Paula Szlanicza 1905  20   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
24 Jangol,Janos Szlanicza, Hungary 1907  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
25 Jaszkulik,Anton Szlanicza 1899  38   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
26 Job,Andrej Szlanicza, Hungary 1907  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
27 Jobb,Mihaly Szlanicza 1903  41   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
28 Jobb,Tamas Szlanicza, Hungary 1909  38   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
29 Jurcsak,Mihaly Szlanicza 1899  43   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
30 Kadlubjak,Karoly Szlanicza 1901  27   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
31 Kalanka,Josef Szlanicza 1903  16   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
32 Klopstock,Max Szlaniczai 1903  26   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
33 Kofsz,Terez Szlanicza, Hungary 1913  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
34 Koloscak,Matus Szlanicza, Hungary 1908  16   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
35 Kozmal,Agnesz Szlanicza, Hungary 1911  37   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
36 Kozmal,Antonia Szlanicza, Hungary 1911  13   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
37 Kozmal,Istvan Szlanicza, Hungary 1911  44   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
38 Kozmal,Jozsef Szlanicza, Hungary 1911  9   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
39 Kozmal,Katalin Szlanicza, Hungary 1911  15   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
40 Kozmal,Paulina Szlanicza, Hungary 1911  4   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
41 Krisak,Jozsef Szlanicza, Hungary 1909  18   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
42 Krsak,Janos Szlanicza 1899  27   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
43 Krsak,Josef Szlanicza 1902  32   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
44 Krul,Jozsef Szlanicza 1903  16   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
45 Kurila,Janos Szlanicza, Hungary 1908  30   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
46 Kurila,Maria Szlanicza, Hungary 1908  19   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
47 Lisicky,Zofia Szlanicza 1902  19   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
48 Mate,Szikora Szlanicza 1905  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
49 Matkovesik,Jan Szlanicza 1903  30   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
50 Melinarczik,Andras Szlanicza, Hung. 1911  9   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
51 Melinarczik,Istvan Szlanicza, Hung. 1911  12   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
52 Muska,Mariska Szlanicza 1902  16   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
53 Muska,Polusa Szlanicza, Hungary 1907  10   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
54 Namsta,Josef Szlanicza 1906  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
55 Nanista,Ferencz Szlanicza, Hungary 1913  29   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
56 Nanista,Veronika Szlanicza, Hungary 1912  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
57 Pasztva,Fuzsa Szlanicza, Hungary 1912  31   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
58 Pasztva,Raroly Szlanicza, Hungary 1912  6   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
59 Pavlak,Helena Szlanicza 1902  19   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
60 Pieutek,Stefan Szlanicza 1904  25   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
61 PINDAK,JAN SZLANICZA 1902  18   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
62 Prochala,Joha. Szlanicza 1899  26   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
63 Sramek,Jozef Szlanicza 1900  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
64 Urlinarcsik Mlinarcsik,Stefan Szlanicza 1902  38   Passenger Record
Text Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
65 Vangel,Angela Szlanicza 1903  25   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
66 Vangel,Ignatz Szlanicza 1900  19   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
67 Vangel,Yan Szlanicza, Hungary 1908  42   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
68 Vanista,Karol Szlanicza, Hungary 1909  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
69 Vaugel,Jozsef Szlanicza 1905  17   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
70 Viroa,Jozsef Szlanicza, Hungary 1909  20   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
71 Virva,Karolina Szlanicza 1899  15   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
72 Virva,Maria Szlanicza, Hungary 1912  18   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
73 Virva,Terezia Szlanicza 1903  20   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
74 Zimany,Justina Szlanicza 1901  18   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
75 Zimanyi,Lajos Szlanicza 1905  24   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
76 Zimanyi,Sandor Szlanicza, Hungary 1910  22   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
1 Brna,Karoly Szlanica 1905  16   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
2 Guzak,Florian Szlanica 1903  8   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
3 Guzak,K`ardl Szlanica 1903  9   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
4 Kaviar,Michal Szlanica 1906  32   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
5 Kojaz,Janos Szlanica, Hungary 1912  19   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
6 Kujanyik,Anna Szlanica, Hungary 1904  22   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
7 Kujanyik,Josef Szlanica, Hungary 1904  29   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
8 Majcher,Rozalia Szlanica, Hungary 1910  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
9 Piskor,Helena Szlanica 1906  32   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
10 Piskor,Yosef Szlanica 1906  27   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
11 Szuistek,Ferencz Szlanica, Hungary 1910  18   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
12 Tarcsak,Anton Szlanica, Hungary 1913  34   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
13 Vengrin,Maria Szlanica 1903  19   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
1 Bak,Josef Slanica, Austria 1910  28   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
2 Bak,Karol Slanica, Austria 1910  23   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
3 Balek,Helena Slanica, C.-Sl. 1922  17   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
4 Ballek,Istwan Slanica, Hungary 1910  29   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
5 Chromcak,Anna Slanica, C.-Sl. 1922  19   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
6 Givinsky,Maria Slanica Tcheco-Sl. 1920  24   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
7 Gogolak,August Slanica, Czechosl. 1921  28   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
8 Graczik,Margita Slanica 1905  19   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
9 Hummery,Teodor Slanica, Austria 1907  30   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
10 Kovalcik,Kata. Slanica 1900  18   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
11 Krzyniewsky,Helene Slanica 1893  20   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
12 Malik,Jlon Slanica, Hungary 1909  27   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
13 Malkoric,Karolina Slanica, Hungary 1907  31   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
14 Matkowcik,Jan Slanica, Hungary 1908  36   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
15 Nanista,Anna Slanica, Cz. Slov. 1921  34   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
16 Nanista,Martyta Slanica, Cz. Slov. 1921  7   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
17 Nanista,Maryska Slanica, Cz. Slov. 1921  9   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
18 TARCAK,ANTON SLANICA, CZ. SLOV. 1920  10   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
19 TARCAK,EMILIE SLANICA, CZ. SLOV. 1920  8   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
20 TARCAK,FRANTISEK SLANICA, CZ. SLOV. 1920  7   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
21 TARCAK,TERESIA SLANICA, CZ. SLOV. 1920  40   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
22 Vilka,Emilia Slanica, Cz. Sl. 1921  16   Passenger Record  Text
Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
23 Vrlak,Katarina Slanica, Czechoslovakia 1922  20   Passenger Record
Text Manifest  Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
24 Wierzba,Josef Slanica 1905  40   Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image



______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Village name Slanica


Thanks Leandro, Frank, Terry, John, and Bill for all your help.  It
looks like there are several villages which could be the "Slanica" I am
seeking.  Next week I will be checking many church and civil records in
Clearfield County Pennsylvania where they lived.  Hopefully, one of
those records may give clearer information about the identity of their
home village in Europe.  If not, I will have to go through the passenger

lists page-by-page of all ships arriving when they supposedly arrived in

New York, since they do not appear in the passenger lists index, or at
least in the index on the internet, which is really a transcription of a

transcription.

Like Bill said, I have a lot of homework to do.

Ron

Leandro wrote:

> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am
> writing from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is
> Vangel with `V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of
> my grandfather was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to
> Argentina around 1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called
> `Slanica´ into a region called `Zupra Povaska´.
>                             Well, I`ve found a village called
> `Slanica´ (Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´

> and `Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is

> the same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer.
> Thank you very much.
>
> Mr Leandro Vangel
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consider
1 ...aicz,Michael  Bremen 1897 16  Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
2 Hrisch,Mathia  Madereben 1897 24  Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
3 Hricz,Andras  Rijo 1898 23  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
4 Hricz,Anna    1896 22  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
5 Hricz,Anna  Gezsony 1897 18  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
6 Hricz,Gyorgy  Cselej 1898 28  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
7 Hricz,Janos    1896 20  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
8 Hricz,Janos    1896 25  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
9 Hricz,Jozsef  Also Repas 1898 24  Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
10 Hricz,Koczyban  Sczerbanynka 1897 30  Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
11 Hricz,Maria    1896 0  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
12 Hricz,Maria  Ragyocz 1898 19  Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
13 Hricz,Mihaly    1896 3  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
14 Hricz,Mihalz    1896 18  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
15 Hrics,Anna    1896 22  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
16 Hrics,Anna    1896 0  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image
17 Hrics,Mihaly  Davidvagas 1897 24  Passenger Record  Text Manifest
Scanned Manifest  Ship Image
18 Hrics,Ystvan  Rijo 1898 24  Passenger Record  Text Manifest  Scanned
Manifest  Ship Image

Don't be surprised if they messed up the given name - I like the Mihaly
entry 1896, age 3, but I can't find the manifest online.  Well, more
work for you.  And what about #11, Maria, 1896 - age 0 , usually means
age is in months.  Mistakes are all over the place, check em out!

______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:11 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Town name Svinska


Mary Agnes Hric/Hricz/Hritz/Reese/Rees was born in Svinska on 19 Sep
1893 and immigrated on May 15, 1897.

Her father's declaration of intention in 1894 uses the name Hricz, and
his petition for naturalization in 1902 uses the name Reese, and Mary
Agnes indicates on her petition for naturalization that she immigrated
in 1897 under the name Mary Agnes Reese.  Although it would be
surprising if she changed her name before she immigrated.

The odd thing is that Mary Agnes Reese is my grandpa John Tomko's 3rd
cousin, and all of my grandpa's ancestors, going back 3 generations
further in all lines, are from Trebisov, Zemplen County.  So I would be
very surprised if Svinska is very far from Trebisov, although the child
or grandchild of the common Tomko/Hric ancestor could have moved to
anywhere before Mary Agnes was born.

I really appreciate your help with this.

Ron

Bill Tarkulich wrote:

> Ron,
> EIDB only indexed records of passengers from 1892 to 1924, so this
> would explain Andro's absence. Tell us more about Mary, we'll take a
> look at the EIDB as a second set of eyes, looking for other clues.
> Approx birth year, possible village of birth, possible destination.
>
> Bill Tarkulich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Milliken [mailto:rmilliken@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:18 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Town name Svinska
>
>
> The name of the immigrant is Andro Hric, also spelled Andrew Hricz or
> Hritz.  I could not find him in the EIDB, even though his
> naturalization
>
> records indicate he immigrated 9 Aug 1888 into the Port of New York.
>
> I could not find his daughter, Mary,  in the EIDB, either.  Her
> naturalization papers say she immigrated on 15 May 1897 into the Port
> of
>
> New York from Hamburg, Germany.  Her father Americanized his name to
> "Reese", so she could immigrated as a Hric, Hricz, Hritz, or Reese.
>
> The name of the ship is unknown in both immigrations.
>
> Any idea which village would be this "Svinska", given the family name?
>
> Ron
>
> Vladimir Bohinc wrote:
>
> >Dear Ron,
> >I am sure, you can imagine, that there were almost always more places

> >with similar names.Therefore, a search for "Svinska" only brings more

> >questions, than answers. Only in Slovakia, we have: Svinia,
> >Svinica,Svinice, Svinna. Austria can be Austrian part of
> >Austro-Hungary
>
> >or can be short for Austro Hungary, which would include the hunagrian

> >part too. At least a surname could narrow the place
> >search/identification. Can he be found in EIDB? Always, when you are
> >asking somebody for help, try to give as much as possible info, and
> >not as little as possible. Also a brief outline of what has been done

> >to date. Thanks,
> >Vladimir
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ron Milliken" <rmilliken@...>
> >To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:11 AM
> >Subject: [S-R] Town name Svinska
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>An ancestor listed her birth place as Svinska, Austria.  Any idea
> >>where this is?
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
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At 03:57 PM 7/23/2003 -0300, you wrote:
>Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am writing
> from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is Vangel with
> `V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of my grandfather
> was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to Argentina around
> 1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called `Slanica´ into a region
> called `Zupra Povaska´.

Slanica can be found on this 1910 Hungarian map of the Arva Varmegye or
Arva County:

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/arva.jpg

Look for Nameszto on the map and Szalnicza is just to the right.  I believe
the Slovak word for county is Zupa.  I think Arva Varmegye could be called
Oravska Zupa in Slovak.

John M.

>                             Well, I`ve found a village called `Slanica´
> (Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´ and
> `Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is the
> same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer. Thank
> you very much.
>
>Mr Leandro Vangel
>
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>                               My name is Leandro Vangel and I am
writing from Santa Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina. Though my surname is
Vangel with `V´ in its origin it was with `W´, because the surname of
my grandfather was Wangel. His name was Stefan Wangel and he came to
Argentina around 1914 from Slovakia, from a village or town called
`Slanica´ into a region called `Zupra Povaska´.
>                             Well, I`ve found a village called
`Slanica´ (Slanická Osada) that today is near the towns of `Námestovo´
and `Trstena´ in Central Slovakia. So, I would like to know if this is
the same village from where my grandfather came. I hope your answer.
Thank you very much.
>
> Mr Leandro Vangel


! hola ! seńor Vangel

Wangel would be a German surname spelling.
In German the letter w is pron. v
Before  WW I (1914-1918) there were Germans residing in Upper-Hungary
(Slovakia)
In Slovak and Hungarian the letter W appears only in foreign names.
Stephen (E) is Stefan in German, Slovak, Czech, and Polish.

z^upa means county (condado) in Slovak.

I am  sorry to write that the village of Slanica no longer exists
because of the large dam built in 1954 flooding 5 villages.

But, what was your grandfather's religion ?
R.C. parish church records do exist for Slanica (1757-1895)

http://www.heartofeurope.co.uk/trav_attractions_slanicaa.htm

The Slovakia telephone directory does list a Vladimír Vangel under
Námestovo and a Jozef Vangel under Trstená, Slovakia.

(Entiendo espańol, francés, y italiano)


Frank K
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Is an index or soundex to the 1900 U.S. Census available on the
internet, for at least some states?

Ron

Ron, if you go to the website for the National Arcives you
will find soundex info there.  www.nara.gov/

That should help you


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> Is an index or soundex to the 1900 U.S. Census available
> on the
> internet, for at least some states?
>
> Ron
>
>
>


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I am looking for a way to search the index or soundex for the 1900
census online.  With my subscription to ancestry.com, I can search the
index online for several census years, but not for 1900.  The 1900 index
is not available on the ancestry.com service.  I was wondering if there
was another service that allows searching the 1900 census index online.
The www.nara.gov site tells how to use soundex, and how to order books
and microfilm, but I could not find a way to do an online search on that
site.  Am I missing something?

Ron

Darrell & Linda Roberts wrote:

> Ron, if you go to the website for the National Arcives you
> will find soundex info there.  www.nara.gov/
>
> That should help you
>
>
> --- Ron Milliken <rmilliken@...> wrote:
> > Is an index or soundex to the 1900 U.S. Census available
> > on the
> > internet, for at least some states?
> >
> > Ron
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If you mean a full-text, indexed search of all US Census data, there is
no public entity that offers it for free.  As you note, ancestry has
made it available for a fee.  No, you are not missing anything.  In
fact, very, very few records of interest to genealogists have been
digitized (other than their index) with the major exception of
www.ellisisland.com

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I am looking for a way to search the index or soundex for the 1900
census online.  With my subscription to ancestry.com, I can search the
index online for several census years, but not for 1900.  The 1900 index

is not available on the ancestry.com service.  I was wondering if there
was another service that allows searching the 1900 census index online.

The www.nara.gov site tells how to use soundex, and how to order books
and microfilm, but I could not find a way to do an online search on that

site.  Am I missing something?

Ron

Darrell & Linda Roberts wrote:

> Ron, if you go to the website for the National Arcives you will find
> soundex info there.  www.nara.gov/
>
> That should help you
>
>
> --- Ron Milliken <rmilliken@...> wrote:
> > Is an index or soundex to the 1900 U.S. Census available
> > on the
> > internet, for at least some states?
> >
> > Ron
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At 06:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I am looking for a way to search the index or soundex for the 1900
>census online.  With my subscription to ancestry.com, I can search the
>index online for several census years, but not for 1900.  The 1900 index
>is not available on the ancestry.com service.  I was wondering if there
>was another service that allows searching the 1900 census index online.
>The www.nara.gov site tells how to use soundex, and how to order books
>and microfilm, but I could not find a way to do an online search on that
>site.  Am I missing something?
>
>Ron

Ron,

http://www.ancestry.com/search/io/choosest.asp?c=4

This site seems to indicate it can be browsed on line.  I'm not a member so
I couldn't gain access and can't confirm if it can be browsed online.  You
may be able to follow through if you are.

John M.

Ron,
I have subscription access to an online index and text of the 1900
U.S. census.  If you will supply the name, and state (and locality
if known) I will be happy to look it up for you and send you the
results.

Curt B.

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> census online.  With my subscription to ancestry.com, I can search
the
> index online for several census years, but not for 1900.  The 1900
index
> is not available on the ancestry.com service.  I was wondering if
there
> was another service that allows searching the 1900 census index
online.
> The www.nara.gov site tells how to use soundex, and how to order
books
> and microfilm, but I could not find a way to do an online search
on that
> site.  Am I missing something?
>
> Ron
>
> Darrell & Linda Roberts wrote:
>
> > Ron, if you go to the website for the National Arcives you
> > will find soundex info there.  www.nara.gov/
> >
> > That should help you
> >
> >
> > --- Ron Milliken <rmilliken@s...> wrote:
> > > Is an index or soundex to the 1900 U.S. Census available
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> > > internet, for at least some states?
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I'm currently researching my grandfathers half of the family and am
Looking for names of relatives from the late 1800's and early 1900's
in Slovakia of my kin.  I have the baptismal records of my great
great grandfather and great great grandmother from Hummene', but I
can't read them too well because they are in Slovak and Latin. My
great great grandmother's maiden name was Anna Bosco, and she
Married John Harakal and then they immigrated to the US around 1914.
My grandfather also said that he believes that his great
grandmother's maiden name was Csilog.

If anyone has information on this, I would appreciate the help.  I
am just at the beginning of my search, so I will post updates as I
find out more info.

Thank you,
Jessi Collins

Hello all!
My name is Tina, and I am new to this listserve.  I am researching the surname
RAAB form the village Hniezdne, Slovakia.

According to ship manifests, my grandmother Stefania (Stephanie) RAAB
came to the USA (ultimately to Philadelphia PA) through Ellis Island
in 1904, as did her siblings Maria (1900), Ferdinand (1905), Ludmilla
(1921) and Josef (1922). All list the village Gnesda (Guezda, Gniazda,
Gnezda etc.) in Hungary or Czechoslovakia (after 1920) as their place
of origin/birth.  According to information I have read in this list-
serve and the TARG website, this is a Tatra area village now known as
Hniezdne which is currently in Slovakia.

On the ship manifests they identify Josef Raab as thier father
and the 1921 &1922 manifests list 188 Spisska Zupa, CZ. SL. as his
address.  Family legend has it that their mother's name was Victoria (M???)

I have researched my grandmother and her siblings in the USA through
cencus documents, but I am hoping to begin research of them in Europe.
I am awaiting the 3 microfilm records from the LDS family history center
I have seen identified here and at the TARG website which apparently
have parrish records for this village.

I would appreciate any other advice on research in this village, or any
leads on this surname/family group in this region of Europe.  Incidentally, I
cannot
find Ludmilla in any cencus, birth, death or marraige records (ancestry.com and
genealogy.com) in the US after her passage through Ellis Island, so any news of
her in America would
be welcome.

Also, any reccomendations on reading for background information on this
village/municipality/region, particulary leading up to and including
the time of their immigration would be appreciated.

I have appreciated your posts to date, and look forward to contributing.

    Many Thanks
  Tina Woods



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In a message dated 7/30/03 12:29:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tinanwoods@... writes:

> my grandmother Stefania (Stephanie) RAAB
> came to the USA (ultimately to Philadelphia PA

Hello Tina and welcome to the Slovak Roots List.
although you mention that your family settled in Pennsylvania, i knew of a
Stephen Raab in Passaic New Jersey.  we went to high school together (40 years
ago)
have you traced any family to Passaic?  once Ludmilla married, she, of
course, would not have passed the name down but maybe another sibling or cousin
settled elsewhere and she followed.
good luck.
Noreen



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Hello Tina and welcome to the list.  You're off to a fine start, and
lucky you have the film resources available.  You'll make good progress.

Regarding "188 Spisska Zupa, CZ. SL"  This is an incomplete address, the
village name is omitted. "Zupa" means "region" or district, or perhaps
county, depending on the source's intent.  "Spisska Zupa" is literally
"Spis region".  I suspect the "188" is a house number.  It's quite
possible that he is from is also GNEZDA, given all the corroborating
evidence you've gathered thus far.

I can't tell you a much about the Tatra area as it's beyond my sphere of
research (Northeast/Zemplin county).  However, I do have some general
reference material and am happy to extract what I have for you:
In the 1910 Magyar census, the village of GNEZDA, located in Szepes
county, Olubloi district, had 1080 residents comprised as follows:
39 Magyar (Hungarian)
736 Germans
286 Slovaks
Religion:
936 Roman Catholic
89 Greek Catholic
52 Jewish

It doesn't appear that the FHL has the 1869 census records for that
village available yet, which would have made for another good source.
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/1869_Census_at_LDS.htm

For background info, you may want to consider researching neighboring
towns.   If you have not already done so, go to the map server
http://mapy.atlas.sk and enter IHniezdne.   Many times a collective
history of several regional villages is available (most often not on the
web and most often in a native language.)  You'll probably get your
films before you dig out the historical info.  You'll probably focus on
Stara Lubovna for historical information.  As is often the case, larger
villages have greater influence on the minors.
A quick search of www.google.com (in case you haven't) reveals:

http://members.tripod.com/~mike3jack/region.htm
http://www.unipo.sk/SARIS/lubovnaa.htm
http://www.orthodox.sk/academy/Help/StaraLubovnaeng.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/message/5601 ( a message from
someone else researching your village)
and another
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/surnames.laczko/1

http://www.ngw.nl/int/slo/h/hniezdne.htm



and if you really have time on your hands:
http://www.hosmanek.com/slovak/

Good Luck to you.  Let us know what you find.
______________
Bill Tarkulich




-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Woods [mailto:tinanwoods@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:28 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] RAAB form the village Hniezdne


Hello all!
My name is Tina, and I am new to this listserve.  I am researching the
surname RAAB form the village Hniezdne, Slovakia.

According to ship manifests, my grandmother Stefania (Stephanie) RAAB
came to the USA (ultimately to Philadelphia PA) through Ellis Island
in 1904, as did her siblings Maria (1900), Ferdinand (1905), Ludmilla
(1921) and Josef (1922). All list the village Gnesda (Guezda, Gniazda,
Gnezda etc.) in Hungary or Czechoslovakia (after 1920) as their place
of origin/birth.  According to information I have read in this list-
serve and the TARG website, this is a Tatra area village now known as
Hniezdne which is currently in Slovakia.

On the ship manifests they identify Josef Raab as thier father and the
1921 &1922 manifests list 188 Spisska Zupa, CZ. SL. as his
address.  Family legend has it that their mother's name was Victoria
(M???)

I have researched my grandmother and her siblings in the USA through
cencus documents, but I am hoping to begin research of them in Europe.
I am awaiting the 3 microfilm records from the LDS family history center
I have seen identified here and at the TARG website which apparently
have parrish records for this village.

I would appreciate any other advice on research in this village, or any
leads on this surname/family group in this region of Europe.
Incidentally, I cannot
find Ludmilla in any cencus, birth, death or marraige records
(ancestry.com and genealogy.com) in the US after her passage through
Ellis Island, so any news of her in America would be welcome.

Also, any reccomendations on reading for background information on this
village/municipality/region, particulary leading up to and including
the time of their immigration would be appreciated.

I have appreciated your posts to date, and look forward to contributing.

    Many Thanks
  Tina Woods



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Tina,

The small town of Kniesen was founded in 1286 by Germans as Knysen. The ethnic
German population dwindled during the long mortgage to Poland (together with
Alt-Lublau and Pudlein--sorry, I don't know the Slovak names off-hand), but in
1930, of 1,042 inhabitants, 566 still were German in the Census. I described the
history of the Carpathian Germans in http://www.geocities.com/ycrtmr/eisdorf.htm

Two old Knieseners have reminisced about their hometown before the end of the
local German population in 1945-47, Rudolf Goellner in the monthly Karpatenpost
July 1956, p. 1-2, and Wilhelm Nigriny in that of Sept. 1997, p. 5. In the
monthly Karpatenblatt there is an article in the issue of April 2000. I can send
you a copy of these if desired, but the April 2000 one is also on the Internet
at
http://www.geocities.com/karpatenblatt/April7.html.

Other sources for Carpathian German ancestry are:
http://www.karpatendeutsche.de/

http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/slovak-d.html



In such small cities/villages, many people were related in one way or the other
(in my case, in Eisdorf/Zakovce, and Zipser Bela/Spisska Bela), I find out that
after a few generations, I seem to have the same ancestors over and over again,
with marriages among 2nd and 3rd cousins quite frequent among Lutherans. I
corresponded in 2002 with a Ginny Schulze whose ancestors came to the US from
Kniesen in the 1890s, and if you are interested could put you in touch with her.



Sincerely



Thomas Reimer

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Tina Woods
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:28 AM
   Subject: [S-R] RAAB form the village Hniezdne


   Hello all!
   My name is Tina, and I am new to this listserve.  I am researching the surname
   RAAB form the village Hniezdne, Slovakia.

   According to ship manifests, my grandmother Stefania (Stephanie) RAAB
   came to the USA (ultimately to Philadelphia PA) through Ellis Island
   in 1904, as did her siblings Maria (1900), Ferdinand (1905), Ludmilla
   (1921) and Josef (1922). All list the village Gnesda (Guezda, Gniazda,
   Gnezda etc.) in Hungary or Czechoslovakia (after 1920) as their place
   of origin/birth.  According to information I have read in this list-
   serve and the TARG website, this is a Tatra area village now known as
   Hniezdne which is currently in Slovakia.

   On the ship manifests they identify Josef Raab as thier father
   and the 1921 &1922 manifests list 188 Spisska Zupa, CZ. SL. as his
   address.  Family legend has it that their mother's name was Victoria (M???)

   I have researched my grandmother and her siblings in the USA through
   cencus documents, but I am hoping to begin research of them in Europe.
   I am awaiting the 3 microfilm records from the LDS family history center
   I have seen identified here and at the TARG website which apparently
   have parrish records for this village.

   I would appreciate any other advice on research in this village, or any
   leads on this surname/family group in this region of Europe.  Incidentally, I
cannot
   find Ludmilla in any cencus, birth, death or marraige records (ancestry.com
and genealogy.com) in the US after her passage through Ellis Island, so any news
of her in America would
   be welcome.

   Also, any reccomendations on reading for background information on this
   village/municipality/region, particulary leading up to and including
   the time of their immigration would be appreciated.

   I have appreciated your posts to date, and look forward to contributing.

      Many Thanks
   Tina Woods



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wrote:
> Hello all!
> My name is Tina, and I am new to this listserve.  I am researching
the surname
> RAAB form the village Hniezdne, Slovakia.


ahoj Tina


Hniezdne is located 179 miles ENE of Bratislava near okres Stará
L'ubovn^a, Slovakia.
Before the term z^upa (county) was discontinued in Slovakia in
1923, Hniezdne was located in Spis^ská (grammatical gender form
of Spis^) county.


Interesting region.
Germans, Slovaks, Rusyns, Croatians, Hungarians, and Poles.
Don't know which group settled here first in 12th, 14th, and 16th
centuries.

Raab was a German surname.
There are 2,600+ surnames Raab listed in gedcom files.

The Slovakia telephone directory lists a Emil and Karol Raab under
Hniezdne and a Raab under Stará L'ubovn^a.

The LDS-Mormons filmed the R.C. parish church records (1624-1904) for
Gn^azdá (also spelled Hniezdne), Slovensko, Czechoslovakia, formerly
known as Gnézda, Szepes megye (county), Hungary.
Text in Latin, Hungarian and Slovak.

film #
1739195
1739196
1739197


Frank K

Actually, Ginny Schulze also is on Slovak Roots, with Raab ancestors from
Kniesen, messages 5601 etc.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/messages/5601?viscount=100

Thomas
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   From: Thomas Reimer
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   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:05 AM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] RAAB form the village Hniezdne/Kniesen


   Tina,

   The small town of Kniesen was founded in 1286 by Germans as Knysen. The ethnic
German population dwindled during the long mortgage to Poland (together with
Alt-Lublau and Pudlein--sorry, I don't know the Slovak names off-hand), but in
1930, of 1,042 inhabitants, 566 still were German in the Census. I described the
history of the Carpathian Germans in http://www.geocities.com/ycrtmr/eisdorf.htm

   Two old Knieseners have reminisced about their hometown before the end of the
local German population in 1945-47, Rudolf Goellner in the monthly Karpatenpost
July 1956, p. 1-2, and Wilhelm Nigriny in that of Sept. 1997, p. 5. In the
monthly Karpatenblatt there is an article in the issue of April 2000. I can send
you a copy of these if desired, but the April 2000 one is also on the Internet
at
   http://www.geocities.com/karpatenblatt/April7.html.

   Other sources for Carpathian German ancestry are:
   http://www.karpatendeutsche.de/

   http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/slovak-d.html



   In such small cities/villages, many people were related in one way or the
other (in my case, in Eisdorf/Zakovce, and Zipser Bela/Spisska Bela), I find out
that after a few generations, I seem to have the same ancestors over and over
again, with marriages among 2nd and 3rd cousins quite frequent among Lutherans.
I corresponded in 2002 with a Ginny Schulze whose ancestors came to the US from
Kniesen in the 1890s, and if you are interested could put you in touch with her.



   Sincerely



   Thomas Reimer

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     From: Tina Woods
     To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:28 AM
     Subject: [S-R] RAAB form the village Hniezdne


     Hello all!
     My name is Tina, and I am new to this listserve.  I am researching the
surname
     RAAB form the village Hniezdne, Slovakia.

     According to ship manifests, my grandmother Stefania (Stephanie) RAAB
     came to the USA (ultimately to Philadelphia PA) through Ellis Island
     in 1904, as did her siblings Maria (1900), Ferdinand (1905), Ludmilla
     (1921) and Josef (1922). All list the village Gnesda (Guezda, Gniazda,
     Gnezda etc.) in Hungary or Czechoslovakia (after 1920) as their place
     of origin/birth.  According to information I have read in this list-
     serve and the TARG website, this is a Tatra area village now known as
     Hniezdne which is currently in Slovakia.

     On the ship manifests they identify Josef Raab as thier father
     and the 1921 &1922 manifests list 188 Spisska Zupa, CZ. SL. as his
     address.  Family legend has it that their mother's name was Victoria (M???)

     I have researched my grandmother and her siblings in the USA through
     cencus documents, but I am hoping to begin research of them in Europe.
     I am awaiting the 3 microfilm records from the LDS family history center
     I have seen identified here and at the TARG website which apparently
     have parrish records for this village.

     I would appreciate any other advice on research in this village, or any
     leads on this surname/family group in this region of Europe.  Incidentally,
I cannot
     find Ludmilla in any cencus, birth, death or marraige records (ancestry.com
and genealogy.com) in the US after her passage through Ellis Island, so any news
of her in America would
     be welcome.

     Also, any reccomendations on reading for background information on this
     village/municipality/region, particulary leading up to and including
     the time of their immigration would be appreciated.

     I have appreciated your posts to date, and look forward to contributing.

        Many Thanks
     Tina Woods



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For filing, here are my ancestors from the Zips/Spisz/Spiss. I seek contacts
with others researching them. All were Lutheran.




FROM EISDORF/also known in the 19th and 20th centuries in Magyar and Slovak as
Zsakocs/Iszakfalu/Iszakfalva/ZAKOVCE:



ALEXY


KUTSCHAR


MITSCHKO


RENNER


ROTH


SCHIMKO


SCHMIDT


SPIESS







FROM ZIPSER BELA/Szepesbela/SPISSKA BELA:




FABRY


GABRIEL


GREB


GRIESMACHER


HAUSER


HOFFMANN


JACHMANN


KOCH


LAHM


MEYER


PHILIPPY


ROTH


SCHMEISS/SCHMEISZ


SCHUETZ


SPITKO


SUTORIS/SUTORISZ


TELTSCH



Thomas Reimer
401 Green Hill Court
Albany, NY 12203


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For filing, here are the ancestral lines I research in the Pressburg/Bratislava
area. All lines are mainly Lutheran, with occasional Catholics.



1. FROM PRESSBURG/BRATISLAVA:



BECK


BOEHM


GALLI/GALLY


LANGER


LEINWARTHER


SINGER


WIMMER


ZECHMEISTER





2. FROM GROSS-SCHUETZEN/VELKE LEVARE




SCHIMEK (18th century)






3. FROM MODERN/MODRA



JURAN


LICHNER


LISCHKA

MAJDYN


NOVAK


ORGON


SCHMIDT




Thomas Reimer


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My husband's maternal grandparents came from the Spisska Nova Ves
area.  His grandfather Mahal Geletko was born October 22, 1852, in
Hnilcik.

We went to Hnilcik in June and took pictures:
http://homepage.mac.com/rskapura1/hnilcik/index.html

I'd like to hear from anyone with Lesko, Torisky, or Geletko
relatives from this area.