I have confirmed another surname for my family in C~akanovce.  Anna Vangor
married someone named Demeter in 1882.  Has anyone heard of that name?  It
sounded rather unusual to me.

Andrea

At 01:04 PM 11/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "Andrea Vangor" <drav@...>
>
>I have confirmed another surname for my family in C~akanovce.

I didn't read carefully enough--you did say surname!  Still sounds Greek...

Julie

Does anyone remember a source for Hungarian words that pertain to causes of
death?  I did find an excellent resource for other Hungarian genealogical
terms at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/hungword.htm

but it does not include words for diseases and so on.

Andrea

At 01:04 PM 11/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "Andrea Vangor" <drav@...>
>
>I have confirmed another surname for my family in C~akanovce.  Anna Vangor
>married someone named Demeter in 1882.  Has anyone heard of that name?  It
>sounded rather unusual to me.
>

First name or last name?  As a first name, it's from the Greek I guess,
Demeter & Persephone...don't ask me about the myth, I'd have to look it up!

Julie Michutka
jmm@...

Andrea,
This is the one I have printed out to keep in my "go book" for research:

http://www.bmi.net/jjaso/Hungarian_Terms_and_Phrases.html

There are lots of phrases, including causes of death -- 9+ pages.
Maureen

Andrea Vangor wrote:

> From: "Andrea Vangor" <drav@...>
>
> Does anyone remember a source for Hungarian words that pertain to causes of
> death?  I did find an excellent resource for other Hungarian genealogical
> terms at
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/hungword.htm
>
> but it does not include words for diseases and so on.
>
> Andrea
>
>

Andrea:
Try http://www.bmi.net/jjuso/Hungarian+AF8-Terms+AF8-and+AF8-Phrases.html
Let me now if this helps.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Vangor +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
To: Slovak Roots +ADw-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AEA-onelist.com+AD4-
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 16:24
Subject: +AFs-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AF0- Hungarian terms


+AD4-From: +ACI-Andrea Vangor+ACI- +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-Does anyone remember a source for Hungarian words that pertain to causes of
+AD4-death?  I did find an excellent resource for other Hungarian genealogical
+AD4-terms at
+AD4-http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/hungword.htm
+AD4-
+AD4-but it does not include words for diseases and so on.
+AD4-
+AD4-Andrea
+AD4-
+AD4-+AD4-

I will see how far back the Demeter family goes in these records.  It was
not there prior to 1835.

----- Original Message -----
From: J. Michutka <jmm@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] New surname


> From: "J. Michutka" <jmm@...>
>
> At 01:04 PM 11/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >From: "Andrea Vangor" <drav@...>
> >
> >I have confirmed another surname for my family in C~akanovce.
>
> I didn't read carefully enough--you did say surname!  Still sounds
Greek...
>
> Julie
>
> >

Thanks a whole big bunch!  It does not help that the minister or whoever
wrote this stuff out in a scrawl most of the time, so I can't even look up
the Hungarian word.

----- Original Message -----
From: Maureen Pulignano <deefalt@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Hungarian terms


> From: Maureen Pulignano <deefalt@...>
>
> Andrea,
> This is the one I have printed out to keep in my "go book" for research:
>
> http://www.bmi.net/jjaso/Hungarian_Terms_and_Phrases.html
>
> There are lots of phrases, including causes of death -- 9+ pages.
> Maureen
>
> Andrea Vangor wrote:
>
> > From: "Andrea Vangor" <drav@...>
> >
> > Does anyone remember a source for Hungarian words that pertain to causes
of
> > death?  I did find an excellent resource for other Hungarian
genealogical
> > terms at
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/hungword.htm
> >
> > but it does not include words for diseases and so on.
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> >
>
> >

Demeter is the Latin form Dmitri, a very popular name in among Greek
Catholics in Eastern Slovak. He is a Saint is one of the patron saints
of the Military.

"TRADITION is the JOYFUL memory of a people!"

A couple more have fallen out of the trees in the Abov/Saris areas east of
Kos~ice:  Marton and Kuzsila.  By the way, Demeter (which if phonetic would
not sound much like the Greek goddess, or was it Roman -- the same one as
Ceres, anyway) IS a good Hungarian surname, although rare in northern
Slovakia in 1900.

Andrea

That sounds like a great page -- but it would not come up on my browser for
some reason.  Do you think the site has changed its URL?

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Rabey <cjrabey@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Hungarian terms


> From: "Frank Rabey" <cjrabey@...>
>
> Andrea:
> Try http://www.bmi.net/jjuso/Hungarian+AF8-Terms+AF8-and+AF8-Phrases.html
> Let me now if this helps.
> Frank
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Vangor +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
> To: Slovak Roots +ADw-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AEA-onelist.com+AD4-
> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 16:24
> Subject: +AFs-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AF0- Hungarian terms
>
>
> +AD4-From: +ACI-Andrea Vangor+ACI- +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
> +AD4-
> +AD4-Does anyone remember a source for Hungarian words that pertain to
causes of
> +AD4-death?  I did find an excellent resource for other Hungarian
genealogical
> +AD4-terms at
> +AD4-http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/hungword.htm
> +AD4-
> +AD4-but it does not include words for diseases and so on.
> +AD4-
> +AD4-Andrea
> +AD4-
> +AD4-+AD4-
>
> >

Thanks, Mark.  That makes sense.  There are a lot of people with this
surname further south into Hungary too, or were in 1900.

----- Original Message -----
From: mark JESKO <MJESKO@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] New surname


> From: MJESKO@... (mark JESKO)
>
> Demeter is the Latin form Dmitri, a very popular name in among Greek
> Catholics in Eastern Slovak. He is a Saint is one of the patron saints
> of the Military.
>
> "TRADITION is the JOYFUL memory of a people!"
>
> >

Demeter is also found among the Germans.  You may want to check and see
if there is a German connection also. You had many German villages in
Spis & Saris prior to WWII.

"TRADITION is the JOYFUL memory of a people!"

Andrea:

A review of my typing of the hyperlink reveals a gross mistake. Here is the
the link that should bring you to  the cited reference:

     http://www.bmi.net/jjaso/Hungarian+AF8-Terms+AF8-Phrases.html

Also, English-Hungarian +ACY- Hungarian-English Dictionary at

     http://www.sztaki.hu/services/engdict/index.jhtml

Hope this helps.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Vangor +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS+AEA-onelist.com +ADw-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AEA-onelist.com+AD4-
Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 03:20
Subject: Re: +AFs-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AF0- Hungarian terms


+AD4-From: +ACI-Andrea Vangor+ACI- +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-That sounds like a great page -- but it would not come up on my browser for
+AD4-some reason.  Do you think the site has changed its URL?
+AD4-
+AD4------ Original Message -----
+AD4-From: Frank Rabey +ADw-cjrabey+AEA-greenvillenc.com+AD4-
+AD4-To: +ADw-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AEA-onelist.com+AD4-
+AD4-Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:20 PM
+AD4-Subject: Re: +AFs-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AF0- Hungarian terms
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4APg- From: +ACI-Frank Rabey+ACI- +ADw-cjrabey+AEA-greenvillenc.com+AD4-
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Andrea:
+AD4APg- Try
http://www.bmi.net/jjuso/Hungarian+AF8-Terms+AF8-and+AF8-Phrases.html
+AD4APg- Let me now if this helps.
+AD4APg- Frank
+AD4APg- -----Original Message-----
+AD4APg- From: Andrea Vangor +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
+AD4APg- To: Slovak Roots +ADw-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AEA-onelist.com+AD4-
+AD4APg- Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 16:24
+AD4APg- Subject: +AFs-SLOVAK-ROOTS+AF0- Hungarian terms
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- +AD4-From: +ACI-Andrea Vangor+ACI- +ADw-drav+AEA-oz.net+AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4-Does anyone remember a source for Hungarian words that pertain to
+AD4-causes of
+AD4APg- +AD4-death?  I did find an excellent resource for other Hungarian
+AD4-genealogical
+AD4APg- +AD4-terms at
+AD4APg- +AD4-http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7347/hungword.htm
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4-but it does not include words for diseases and so on.
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4-Andrea
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4APg-
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-+AD4-

No, it still doesnot work, bohuzial'.


>
> A review of my typing of the hyperlink reveals a gross mistake. Here is
the
> the link that should bring you to  the cited reference:
>
>     http://www.bmi.net/jjaso/Hungarian+AF8-Terms+AF8-Phrases.html
>

Hmm.  Maybe something will turn up that supports this.  These are records of
an evangelical church community, more or less Lutherans, and I have noticed
other German names that go back to the mid-18th century, like
Firman/Fuhrmann.


----- Original Message -----
From: mark JESKO <MJESKO@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] New surname


> From: MJESKO@... (mark JESKO)
>
> Demeter is also found among the Germans.  You may want to check and see
> if there is a German connection also. You had many German villages in
> Spis & Saris prior to WWII.
>
> "TRADITION is the JOYFUL memory of a people!"
>
> >

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Hi Andrea,

My "grandfather" was a Marton.  His name was Imrich and he was a professor
of geography (?) in Michalovce just before WWII.  I believe he died in 1996.
Don't know anything else about him.

Jenny

Hi, I am looking for any info on the towns and people of
Cozcisovice and Pozcisovice ( I hope the cities are spelled right ) ,
and the family names of Hresco and Kroy.
       The town of Tarnava and the names Golmicz ( I have seen this
spelled Golmitz, Golmic, Golmics, Gormish) and the name Czbak.
       Thank you for taking the time to read this, Karen Veneskey

With great thanks to Jozef, who responded to my plea on this list, I
have now located the village of my grandmother. And, perhaps more
significantly, I now know her original maiden name and have the names
and addresses of three current families of the same name in the village!
This is great progress that I could not have made with the help of Jozef
and his two daughters. They are a great credit to this list.

And, now, I can ask if the following information about my grandmother's
family has any meaning to other list members:

Village: Dlhe nad Cirochou
Surname: CHVOSTAL'OVA or CHVOSTAL'
Given names:
Michael, b. 1858
Susan, b. 1865
John, b. 1884
Mary Katherine, b. 1887 (my grandmother)

They emigrated to the US in about 1895. Any information will be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks to all -- especially to Jozef!

Maureen

Why do you refer to him as a "grandfather"?  Was he a grandfather, an
honorary grandfather, an illegitimate grandfather, a great uncle or
what?  I can only think of one Indian village where the whole village
refers to one man as "Grandfather" because he was such a ladies man as a
youth that no one can be sure he is NOT their grandfather!

So please explain...

Ron

Jenny Brichta wrote:
>
> From: "Jenny Brichta" <yump@...>
>
> Hi Andrea,
>
> My "grandfather" was a Marton.  His name was Imrich and he was a professor
> of geography (?) in Michalovce just before WWII.  I believe he died in 1996.
> Don't know anything else about him.
>
> Jenny
>
> --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ----------------------------
>

How about the spelling "Hresko"?

George

If you are speaking about the Tarnava that was formerly Tovarne, the
records there are filmed by the LDS.

I don't have the film # offhand, but I did use them to look up the
marriage in 1880 of my gr/grandparents there, so I know they are filmed.

You should be able to find them easily in the catalog at your local FHC,
or online via the catalog at http://www.familysearch.org

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Yes, Ron, you're right.  "Grandfather" needs some explanation.  Mr. Marton,
my "grandfather" and my grandmother were both employed as professors at the
same school.  They began dating.  Mr. Marton was fond of the booze and
according to my grandmother, an alcoholic.  One night, they went out, he got
drunk and insisted on accompanying her home.  She wouldn't let him in as she
lived in a boarding house and didn't want to upset the other boarders.  He
started to make a fuss, however, and so she finally let him in.  He
continued to make demands and I guess forced himself on my grandmother.  In
the end, he created so much noise and commotion that the entire boarding
house was in an uproar and they threw him out.  My grandmother never dated
him again and never told my mother who her real father was.  She lied and
told her it was her ex-husband, the father of her first child.  Years went
by.  WWII ended and they immigrated to the US.  At age 35, my mother wrote
to the man she thought was her father and received a letter which was read
at the dinner table. Expecting either a welcome or at least a hello, I can
still remember the shock on my parents' face when the letter brought a
vehement denial of any parentage whatsoever.  So then my grandmother came
out with Mr. Marton and what we think is the truth, although my grandmother
may have lied about this too.  So you see, I don't really know what to call
Mr. Marton, "grandfather" seemed the nicest.

An interesting addendum, my parents went to Slovakia and tried to visit Mr.
Marton.  They bumped into one of his students on the street who told them
that he had died in 1996 and that he left behind a wife and several
children; one of the sons had become a professor.

Ah, Jenny!

Now I see how he earned the " " or goose feet as Germans call quotation
marks.  The most spectacular attempt at genealogical research I was a
failure due to an nasty old man that is my "great uncle".  The
grandparents left the old village and married in America, in part
because the two families had a feud going to rival the Hatfields and
McCoys.  Because of this old feud, when we visited Lozin in 1982 my
mother did not ask the one family about the other family.  In 1998/9 I
visited and the SOMOS family was really enthused about the family
questions and the tree that the Canadians in the family had worked up,
so they drove me over to visit the only VALYO still on the lists.

The Somos family was a gold mine in old records meticulously kept, they
command at least 4 languages, and they know the politicians and the
system there inside out.  If you need research in the vicinity of
Trebisov I can highly recommend them!

The old VALLO/VALYO man was getting on in Althzeimers but was still
living at home with a caretaker.  He had an old-world grudge because we
didn't stop by in 1982 and my mother never answered two letters during
the war. (She never received any).  We interrogated him from every
direction possible, and the father, son and daughter covered every
avenue and every approach.  Even the American cousin helped a bit, but
we never got any information or addresses of the two married daughters
now living in Austria.

One of the things that thoroughly impressed me all my life is how tough
and mean my grandparents generation was.  There was a very high
percentage of nasty, argumentative people.   I finally came to the
conclusion that life was really tough and that was a reaction to the
tough conditions then.

We are very lucky!

Ron



Jenny Brichta wrote:
>
> From: "Jenny Brichta" <yump@...>
>
> Yes, Ron, you're right.  "Grandfather" needs some explanation.  Mr. Marton,
> my "grandfather" and my grandmother were both employed as professors at the
> same school.  They began dating.  Mr. Marton was fo

Hi - could this be Pozdisovce?  That's a town just southwest of
Michalovce
in eastern Slovakia.

Joe Armata
joe@...


> From: Steve Veneskey <stevev@...>
>
>       Hi, I am looking for any info on the towns and people of
> Cozcisovice and Pozcisovice ( I hope the cities are spelled right ) ,
> and the family names of Hresco and Kroy.

George
          From the info, I have this is the way it's spelled.  The
children were born in the U.S. but they learned English in school.
                 Thank you, Karen

Thank you for the info.  I don't know much about Slovakia, my
mother-in-law is first generation American and the youngest in her
family.  I never got to meet her mother or father.  Rose ( my
mother-in-law ) did not know her father very well, he died when she was
a small child.  We are all learning about Slovakia together, with the
hope of visiting someday.
        Thank you, Karen