Dear list, would any one have an idea as to where I would find this
location and what it may be called today. So far we have tracked most of
the family to The Slovak region.  Thank you for any help you may be able
to provide.

Sharon
Canada

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>Date: 5/22/02 8:59:19 PM
>

>Dear list, would any one have an idea as to where I would find
this location and what it may be called today.<

It is about 15 miles SE of Bardejov and about 2 miles east of
the village of Livov.  It is called Livovska Huta.

It is a small village in a forested region. I found it to be
very attractive village.  The Huta indicates that at one time
there was a melting facility located there.  I believe it was
a glass melting facility.  I think you've asked about his village
in the past.

John

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> I am searching for information concerning my ancestors.
>
> Joseph Raab, born 3/19/1849 - Kniesen (Hnieznde) Spis region.
> Charles Alexander Hobor, born 1/24/1877 -Kniesen
> Julia Raab Hobor, born 5/9/1879 - Kniesen
>
> Is there a local government or Catholic Church in the Spis (Zips)
> region that could provide information concerning records of births,
> weddings or baptismal records.
>
> Thank you for any help you can provide.
> Ginny Schulze
> Pennsylvania, USA
> geoandgin@y...

Raab is a German surname.
Hobor is probably a Slovak surname.
There were German settlements in Upper-Hungary (later Slovakia)
Kniesen (G) Hniezdne (Sk) Gnézda (H) is located west of Stará
L'ubovn^a, Slovakia.

Not all people in East Central Europe who later spoke German
owed their heritage to German settlers. Many were descendants of
Germanized Slavs and in some cases Magyars whose ancestors had
intermarried with neighbors of Germanic origin.

Among the earliest German colonies were those begun in the late
12th c in Transylvania (Hungary, later Romania) and in the
mountainous area of Spis^/Zips/ Szepes county in northern Hungary near the =
towns of Levoc^a (Sv)/ Leutschau (G) and Kez^marok (Sv)/Késmárk
(H)/Käsmarkt(G)
The Spis^ enclave was expanded through special privileges granted in
1224 and 1271.
It was at this time that the "Saxons" (actually not from Saxony but
from the Rhineland) came in large numbers.

The German colonists brought legal models that formed the basis of
their special privileged status. Called 'German City Law' these meant that =
they could within their "new cities" direct their economic activity and gove=
rn themseleves through an elected city council.
South German Law (based on models of Nürnberg or Vienna) was
adopted for Levoc^a (Sv) Lo"cse (H) Leutschau (G), Kos^ice (Sv) Kassa (H) K=
aschau (G), Kez^marok (Sv) Késmárk (H) Käsmarkt (G), and Pres^ov
(Sv) Epérjes (H) Preschau (G)

It was during the 13th c that organized efforts were undertaken to
settle Carpathian Rus' with East Slavic farmers and shepherds from
neighboring Galicija (Poland)
Early in 15th c the 16 towns in the northen Spis^ region of central
Slovakia (including Stará L'ubovn^a and L'ubica)- near to but not
including the royal Saxon towns of Käsmark and Leutschau - were
sold to Poland, under whose rule they remained 1412-1772.

Before WW I, Slovakia was part of Upper Hungary (Felvidék) and
part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1867-1918) and earlier  a
part of Hungary under the Austrian Empire.


During 1950-1951, the Communist government of Czechoslovakia had
all the parish churches send their old matriky (pre-1895 church
records) to the regional State Archives for safekeeping .
This was done through local national committees after the church
registers were declared state property by the government.

Some parish churches kept duplicate copies of the records.
Druhopisy (i.e. second writing) was a duplicate copy  known as the
'bishop's copy'. So a duplicate of the original record may have been
sent elsewhere.
Some years have both parish records and "bishop's copies". Other
years have only "bishop's copies", others only the parish registers. That c=
an  explain why a record may not be available at the parish but still be ava=
ilable elsewhere.
From 1828, the parish was obliged to make a copy of entries and
send them to archives, so some records are preserved in duplicate.

The LDS-Mormons has filmed all the parish church records at six
of the seven regional Slovak State Archives in Slovakia.

These microfilm reels are available for rental and viewing at any
Family History Center (FHC) worldwide.
90% of patrons are non-Mormons doing surname research.

LDS - Mormon FHCs - LOCATIONS

http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchfhc2.asp

The LDS-Mormons have filmed the R.C. parish church records (1624-1904)
for Gnézda, Szepes megye (county, Hungary; later Hniezdne, Slovakia.
Text in Latin and Hungarian.

Some abbreviations used  for various denominations :
             Hungarian            English
rk.-RK.   római katholikus    Roman Catholic
gk. GK.   görög katholikus    Greek Catholic/Byzantine
kg. KG.   keleti görög        Greek Oriental (Eastern Orthodox)
ag. AG.   ágostai             Evangelical (Lutheran)
ref. REF. református          Reformed (Calvinist)
izr. IZR. izraelita           Israelite (Jewish)

(only the film titles are in Slovak)
In Slovak the matriky (parish church records)
Krstení   = Baptisms (Christenings)
Sobás^ení = Marriages
Zomrelí   = Deaths


In Hungarian the matriky are titled anyakönyvek.

Kereszteltek Anyakönyve  = Baptism Records
Házasultak Anyakönyve    = Marriage Records
Halottak Anyakönyve      = Death Records

In Latin the matriky are titled matricula.
Matricula Baptisatorum =   Baptism Records
Matricula Copulatorum  =   Marriage Records
Matricula Defunctorum  =   Death Records

Ginny,

There is indeed a film for the village of Hniezdne. The LDS films are: 1739195
item 3-6, 1739196 and 1739197 item 1-4. Baptisms for 1624-1831 are found on film
1739195. I believe I've even seen the RAAB name on one of these films.

--
Dee Taylor
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John, sorry but I no information on the town you are
trying to find.  My interest is in the High Tatras
mountains near Poland, in the Sips region. Keep
looking at Slovak maps on the internet or go to your
local book store.  Good luck in your search. Ginny
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>
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: Sharon Pletz <ejay@...>
> >To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com"
> <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> >Date: 5/22/02 8:59:19 PM
> >
>
> >Dear list, would any one have an idea as to where I
> would find
> this location and what it may be called today.<
>
> It is about 15 miles SE of Bardejov and about 2
> miles east of
> the village of Livov.  It is called Livovska Huta.
>
> It is a small village in a forested region. I found
> it to be
> very attractive village.  The Huta indicates that at
> one time
> there was a melting facility located there.  I
> believe it was
> a glass melting facility.  I think you've asked
> about his village
> in the past.
>
> John
>
>
>
>


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I'm back inro my research again and need some help with a place I find referred
to often as a birthplace of someone I am researching....

In the records in Sabinov, the birthplace of Maria Vindegg is given alternately
as Bartfa, sometimes Gallicia, sometimes Bartfa,Gallicia.

Bartfa is evidently now Barjedov, -but- I am hesitant to order those films since
the Gallicia part confuses me.... according to the LDS catalog, that is now
Galizien Austria, so both can't be right, can they?

I often see Gallicia listed in "nata" form of b,m, and death records in the
Sabinov area... that is a rretty broad term... sometimes a village is listed
with it, sometimes just that.

Any opinions?
Maura

There is no reason to doubt the identity of Bardejov and Bartfa.  The
municipality, governmental district, etc. of Galicia is probably best described
as Southern Poland.  Bardejov is only 16 km south of the
border.  We visited Poland last  summer by driving from Bardejov north through
Zborov and Becherov to Sedlo Dujava' (the border town).

Galicia was a large area of southern Poland and south western Ukraine running
along the northern border of Slovakia from Os'wiecim (Auschwitz about 50 miles
east of Krako'w) into the Ukraine to Brody (about 50
miles east of Lviv [Lemberg]) and then south to the northern border of Romania. 
The southern and western borders run along the Carpathian Mountains.

The films cost $3.25 to rent, if you don't find what you're looking for, you're
out less than $4.00 and you will KNOW the answer then.  However, it is possible
that Bardejov is just a general reference and the
records you are looking for are from Livov, Gerlackov, Kl'us^ov, or some other
outlying area.

Dr. "Q"


mpetzolt wrote:

> I'm back inro my research again and need some help with a place I find
referred to often as a birthplace of someone I am researching....
>
> In the records in Sabinov, the birthplace of Maria Vindegg is given
alternately as Bartfa, sometimes Gallicia, sometimes Bartfa,Gallicia.
>
> Bartfa is evidently now Barjedov, -but- I am hesitant to order those films
since the Gallicia part confuses me.... according to the LDS catalog, that is
now Galizien Austria, so both can't be right, can they?
>
> I often see Gallicia listed in "nata" form of b,m, and death records in the
Sabinov area... that is a rretty broad term... sometimes a village is listed
with it, sometimes just that.
>
> Any opinions?
> Maura

Hi Stan, not to worry, I have others.  I have my young ones fed watered
and tucked in for the night. It  got rather quiet all of a sudden : )  I
love what I do and it is very rewarding. If I am able to help a few, I
feel that I have given something back for all the good I have received.
I like your attitude and hope I did not push you away with all of my
chit chat. I do talk to much when I am nervous and it is worse when I am
tired, I am rather short on sleep for the past 2 days. Never slept well
at the lake and as you know last night was late and I was up early this
morning.  I liked the way you compare a relationship with a garden. Few
people relate to that. I am also glad you still have respect for your
ex. you seem to have a very healthy attitude and that is really hard to
find in either party of a break up.  I have always said it did not pay
to hold a grudge as it affects your future as well as the future of your
children. As a result I have a very close relation ship with both of my
girls.
You are an easy person to talk to, I talked of things with you I haven't
thought about in years.  I am sorry though that I did not find out more
about you and your interests, I am confused as to how Chitik and
Spiritwood fit together.
I know you like butter tarts, but never found out about other foods you
like.  I think I told you I love to cook, but you can not live on butter
tarts : ) Being English suggests roast beef and yorkshire pudding which
is one of my favorites.
Your little antique place was a delight and you are right about wanting
to go back and spend more time there.
How large a class do you teach?  I am still trying to remember where I
have seen you before.
Well I think that I have a date with the sandman and I do not want to
miss it. Good night.

Sharon

pleas stop sending me this I don't know what i did to
get it started but please tell me what to do to stop.

Sdankovic


--- Sharon Pletz <ejay@...> wrote:
> Hi Stan, not to worry, I have others.  I have my
> young ones fed watered
> and tucked in for the night. It  got rather quiet
> all of a sudden : )  I
> love what I do and it is very rewarding. If I am
> able to help a few, I
> feel that I have given something back for all the
> good I have received.
> I like your attitude and hope I did not push you
> away with all of my
> chit chat. I do talk to much when I am nervous and
> it is worse when I am
> tired, I am rather short on sleep for the past 2
> days. Never slept well
> at the lake and as you know last night was late and
> I was up early this
> morning.  I liked the way you compare a relationship
> with a garden. Few
> people relate to that. I am also glad you still have
> respect for your
> ex. you seem to have a very healthy attitude and
> that is really hard to
> find in either party of a break up.  I have always
> said it did not pay
> to hold a grudge as it affects your future as well
> as the future of your
> children. As a result I have a very close relation
> ship with both of my
> girls.
> You are an easy person to talk to, I talked of
> things with you I haven't
> thought about in years.  I am sorry though that I
> did not find out more
> about you and your interests, I am confused as to
> how Chitik and
> Spiritwood fit together.
> I know you like butter tarts, but never found out
> about other foods you
> like.  I think I told you I love to cook, but you
> can not live on butter
> tarts : ) Being English suggests roast beef and
> yorkshire pudding which
> is one of my favorites.
> Your little antique place was a delight and you are
> right about wanting
> to go back and spend more time there.
> How large a class do you teach?  I am still trying
> to remember where I
> have seen you before.
> Well I think that I have a date with the sandman and
> I do not want to
> miss it. Good night.
>
> Sharon
>
>


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Opinions on the following situation....

I am very carefully tracing my family in Sabinov, and have found that in
the earlier years, some of the families were Lutheran, then it seems
thru intermarriage some became Catholic. I have gone through all 5 of
the Catholic films, and am now starting on the Lutheran ones.

First I found the marriage in the Catholic records of Matthias Petrusska
and Susanna Bursart/Burghardt in the Catholic church on 26 July 1752.
That's what I've had down in my records.

However, going through the Lutheran records, I found the baptisms of a
whole bunch of other children of the couple, and then a note of their
marriage in the Lutheran church on 18 July 1752, nearly 2 weeks before
the Catholic ceremony. I know it's the same couple because everything
matches, her father's name etc.


The Petrusska line is the major line I'm doing in this case, the
Burghardt (as it's listed in Lutheran records) line seems to be the
Lutheran one at all years (many references to other siblings and her
parents), Petrusska seems to be the one which is sometimes Catholic
sometimes Lutheran.

So.... the Lutheran marriage came first, I guess I use that date and
note the Catholic one in the notes? And some of the kids have different
baptism dates for both churches too.....

Anyone have this where a couple had events in -both- churches? How did
you handle recording it?

Thanks,
Maura

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I have found the following locations noted as place of origin of some
relatives who later moved to Sabinov, so can anyone help with correct
spellings/current names to find records via LDS?

Mysina/Mussina/Messina  in Gallicia

Epercpin/Epersin/Eperesin

Pechyfalu/Pechyinfalu

Bercevieze/Berzeviece

Zambor in Gallicia

Lybolin/Lyubolin

Lukov

Eyvanovitz in Moravia

Also, in the Sabinov records, many locations of b,m,d are said to occur
in Magyar-Jakabfalu which I guess is another village next to Sabinov
covered by the same Catholic church? They seem to have had their own
cemetery tho, and sometimes the location Orkuta is given, which also has
it's own cemetery. I am trying to get all these locations straight in my
head , especially as the families moved from one nearby place to
another......

Thanks,
Maura

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Maura,

I was married twice to the same woman on the same day but perhaps the reason
is slightly different.  We chose to do both on the same day but that wasn't
required.  We could have just as well performed each ceremony on different
days or weeks.  My wife and I were married in Germany in 1967.  We were both
Americans serving in the US Military and wanted a church wedding at the
military chapel, however under German law, we also needed to be married
before a German civil judge.  The German government did not recognize the
church wedding.  Even German couples needed to be married before the civil
judge, which was the government recognized wedding and a church wedding the
same day or days latter was more for family and church reasons.

The time period of 1752 I think would have had other reasons.  If someone
was Catholic and was not married in the church, then their wedding would not
be recognized by the church.  Perhaps since the couple was a mixed marriage
they married in both churches to hedge their bets and satisfy both families.

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Opinions on the following situation....

I am very carefully tracing my family in Sabinov, and have found that in
the earlier years, some of the families were Lutheran, then it seems
thru intermarriage some became Catholic. I have gone through all 5 of
the Catholic films, and am now starting on the Lutheran ones.

First I found the marriage in the Catholic records of Matthias Petrusska
and Susanna Bursart/Burghardt in the Catholic church on 26 July 1752.
That's what I've had down in my records.

However, going through the Lutheran records, I found the baptisms of a
whole bunch of other children of the couple, and then a note of their
marriage in the Lutheran church on 18 July 1752, nearly 2 weeks before
the Catholic ceremony. I know it's the same couple because everything
matches, her father's name etc.


The Petrusska line is the major line I'm doing in this case, the
Burghardt (as it's listed in Lutheran records) line seems to be the
Lutheran one at all years (many references to other siblings and her
parents), Petrusska seems to be the one which is sometimes Catholic
sometimes Lutheran.

So.... the Lutheran marriage came first, I guess I use that date and
note the Catholic one in the notes? And some of the kids have different
baptism dates for both churches too.....

Anyone have this where a couple had events in -both- churches? How did
you handle recording it?

Thanks,
Maura

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Jakabfalu = Jakubovany 3km east of Sabinov
Pechyfalu/Pechyinfalu?? Pe'csu'jfalu = Pec^ovska' Nova' Ves 4km northeast of
Sabinov
Epercpin/Epersin/Eperesin??  Eperjes = Pres^ov
Bercevieze/Berzeviece?? Berzevice = Brezovica 7 k  west of Lipany, 17 km
northwest of Sabinov
Lukov - Lukov 13 km west of Bardejov, 20 km north of Sabinov; there is
national treasure wooden church there named St. Kozma and Damian.

The spellings of the remaining places are ambigious.

Dr. "Q"

mpetzolt2@... wrote:

> I have found the following locations noted as place of origin of some
> relatives who later moved to Sabinov, so can anyone help with correct
> spellings/current names to find records via LDS?
>
> Mysina/Mussina/Messina  in Gallicia
>
> Epercpin/Epersin/Eperesin
>
> Pechyfalu/Pechyinfalu
>
> Bercevieze/Berzeviece
>
> Zambor in Gallicia
>
> Lybolin/Lyubolin
>
> Lukov
>
> Eyvanovitz in Moravia
>
> Also, in the Sabinov records, many locations of b,m,d are said to occur
> in Magyar-Jakabfalu which I guess is another village next to Sabinov
> covered by the same Catholic church? They seem to have had their own
> cemetery tho, and sometimes the location Orkuta is given, which also has
> it's own cemetery. I am trying to get all these locations straight in my
> head , especially as the families moved from one nearby place to
> another......
>
> Thanks,
> Maura
>
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Correction:

Pe'csu'jfalu = Pec^ovska' Nova' Ves 4km northWEST of Sabinov, not northeast.

Dr. "Q"

"Dr. Joe Quashnock" wrote:

> Jakabfalu = Jakubovany 3km east of Sabinov
> Pechyfalu/Pechyinfalu?? Pe'csu'jfalu = Pec^ovska' Nova' Ves 4km northeast of
> Sabinov
> Epercpin/Epersin/Eperesin??  Eperjes = Pres^ov
> Bercevieze/Berzeviece?? Berzevice = Brezovica 7 km  west of Lipany, 17 km
> northwest of Sabinov
> Lukov - Lukov 13 km west of Bardejov, 20 km north of Sabinov; there is
> national treasure wooden church there named St. Kozma and Damian.
>
> The spellings of the remaining places are ambigious.
>
> Dr. "Q"
>
> mpetzolt2@... wrote:
>
> > I have found the following locations noted as place of origin of some
> > relatives who later moved to Sabinov, so can anyone help with correct
> > spellings/current names to find records via LDS?
> >
> > Mysina/Mussina/Messina  in Gallicia
> >
> > Epercpin/Epersin/Eperesin
> >
> > Pechyfalu/Pechyinfalu
> >
> > Bercevieze/Berzeviece
> >
> > Zambor in Gallicia
> >
> > Lybolin/Lyubolin
> >
> > Lukov
> >
> > Eyvanovitz in Moravia
> >
> > Also, in the Sabinov records, many locations of b,m,d are said to occur
> > in Magyar-Jakabfalu which I guess is another village next to Sabinov
> > covered by the same Catholic church? They seem to have had their own
> > cemetery tho, and sometimes the location Orkuta is given, which also has
> > it's own cemetery. I am trying to get all these locations straight in my
> > head , especially as the families moved from one nearby place to
> > another......
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maura
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Dear Maura,
Mysina is Muszyna, Galicia and is located in Nowy Sacz district just north
of the Polish-Slovak border in SE Poland.  Epercpin is Eperjes, Lybolin is
Lyubotin, in Saros megye, Hungary (now Stara Lubovna, Slovakia).  Hope this
helps.
Mary M.
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> I have found the following locations noted as place of origin of some
> relatives who later moved to Sabinov, so can anyone help with correct
> spellings/current names to find records via LDS?
>
> Mysina/Mussina/Messina  in Gallicia
>
> Epercpin/Epersin/Eperesin
>
> Pechyfalu/Pechyinfalu
>
> Bercevieze/Berzeviece
>
> Zambor in Gallicia
>
> Lybolin/Lyubolin
>
> Lukov
>
> Eyvanovitz in Moravia
>
> Also, in the Sabinov records, many locations of b,m,d are said to occur
> in Magyar-Jakabfalu which I guess is another village next to Sabinov
> covered by the same Catholic church? They seem to have had their own
> cemetery tho, and sometimes the location Orkuta is given, which also has
> it's own cemetery. I am trying to get all these locations straight in my
> head , especially as the families moved from one nearby place to
> another......
>
> Thanks,
> Maura
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Hi Maura, My grandmother's maiden name was Petruska. Of course, she was born
just about a hundred years later circa 1856 which is an estimate from age 69
given by Catholic Church when she died in 1925. The only other information I
have from census is that she was born in Austria Hungary and was Slovak. My
father said her name was Elizabeth and she is listed as such on death record
and on census except 1900 where her name is Rosa. I know you are researching
in 1700s but do you have any information on Petruskas in the middle to late
1899s and early 1900s. She lived in Pennsylvania as far as I know from time
of immigration in 1884 to death. Would appreciate any help you can provide.
Sandy


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Maura,

You wrote:"I have found the following locations noted as places...
Lybolin/Lyubolin"

I believe Lybolin/Lyubolin might be L'ubotin which is just east of Plavec and
south of Orlov. It is just up river from Pecovska Nova Ves and Sabinov.

There is also a film available through the LDS that has Slovak place names and
variation. Off hand I can't remember the film # but it helps when trying to see
what the names are in the Family History Catalog.

Dee Taylor
CPRAMUKA@...

Does anyone have any information on the Dessort family that lived in
Austria (spelling could be different).  Also, the Lang family from
Chezoslovakia.  My grandparents came to America in 1904 from these
two countries, as I am told. Thanks!

Hi Claire,

I have much info on the Petrusska line from the early 1700's to about
1905 or so in the Sabinov area. I don't think any of them came to the
US, but that could have happened as I have found my line to have been an
extremely large family.
And Elisabeta as they spelled it was a fairly common name. I am
documenting all the instances of this surname (and the others I am
researching), however I still am not sure in all cases of who is the
father of who (they all seem to have the same first name of Matthias or
Andreas, and they all tended to marry Annas, Marias or Elisabetas)

However, you don't have a location for your birthplace so it would be
very difficult to connect. Sounds like doing more work to find a
location for her, like ship record of arrival (which depending on the
year may give an exact location) or marriage record might be helpful.
See some of the sections on my Helpful Hints page to maybe point you in
some directions that may be helpful.

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Several relatives in the Sabinov area were priests who officiated at
baptisms, marriages and deaths.....

One is consisitently referred to as DAR Petrus Murhay, parochus
Hermanyensis (later parochus Michaloaisask).... I take it the last two
words are other places where he was priest and came to Sabinov to
officiate at occasions of family (sometimes he was godfather).

What does DAR stand for?

Some priests have that before their name, some don't. The one I know was
something like the "head priest" at St. John the Baptist in Sabinov
(August Mazalik) had that before his name, but other priests in the
family don't. Guess it relates to something like bishop or something?

D. is often before name of some of the "lower" nobility of the town
which are my relatives... the ladies I think it stands for Domicilla?
What about the men?

Thanks,
Maura

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