Curt,
I'm only reacting to what you wrote.

I get the message that it is up to the overworked Presov archivists to
eventually give licence to the LDS (who are paying for this), to place
their whole region's census archive for 1869 on-line at once, after
successful, policy inspired non-political negotiations with the Hungarian
archivists. This is of course after they check the records that are in
existence in at least 2 public archives already and then re-catalogue it.
Sounds like a perfectly good bureaucracy.

That's about it.

Peter M.


   Peter,
> You seem determined not to understand.
>
> None of the 1869 census records that are in the Presov archive covering
> the Zemplin territory villages have been approved for online status. They
> are being reviewed NOW. They are likely to be approved for release. This is
> NOT a political decision. So far the only Slovak films specifically not
> released for online status have been films that contain data that exceed
> Slovak statute of limitations of information of 100 years.
> The Presov archive is very understaffed and has other projects to finish
> first.
>
> Each film must be reviewed by the holding archive of the original
> documents. It took several years for baptismal, marriage, death records to
> be reviewed and released, and so they appeared online sequentially village
> by village over several years as indexers carrried out their work. There is
> still more work to be done here on several villages.
>
> In the meantime people can still borrow the films already in existence so
> the data is not being held secret. The only related archives that decline
> to make anything available except by visit to the archive are a number in
> Hungary.
> The related archives of the Ukraine and Poland are also entirely
> unavailable except by personal visit.
>
> Slovakia is the rare exception among national archives that has made so
> much data available, but there is still a long way to go because it takes
> so large financial resources to film or place online such records. The
> family history library is maintained by the Mormon church which supplied
> the millions it required to produce the Slovak records online.
>
> CB
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech wrote:
> >
> > Hello Curt.
> >
> > If the Hungarians have the missing records for some Slovak villages and
> the
> > Slovaks refuse to give permission to release what they do have on-line
> then
> > both are acting very childish in my opinion. If the Hungarians don't have
> > the missing records, then, according to the current Slovak policy, no
> other
> > records under their control will go on-line in the disputed territories.
> > This is not a matter of missing sources. The original question was why
> > Dubvravka is not available online. There was no satisfactory answer
> except
> > that the physical films are available.
> > For some reason, the Slovaks or Hungarians do not want the Dubravka
> records
> > to go on-line. Whether this is some kind of Trump card the Slovaks are
> > trying to play makes no sense.
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> > On 4 January 2013 05:46, CurtB wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > John Q. et alia
> > >
> > > The logic of this is quite simple, though not immediately obvious. The
> > > creation of the online records has proceeded by archive location of the
> > > original because it is individual archives who actuallly give the
> > > permissions to online availability, though they often are dependent on
> > > national government policy. So, Zemplin census records that are
> located in
> > > certain archives in the Slovak Republic are online - the list is given
> in
> > > detail in the introduction to the census records in the Family History
> > > library. But records for those villages of that census that are in
> > > Hungarian archives are not. Neither are the villages whose records of
> that
> > > census are in the Presov archive in Slovakia. The Presov records may
> give
> > > permission but may not, because the archive is still trying to
> negotiate
> > > with Hungarian archives to return records for many Slovak villages
> which
> > > were supposed to have been returned after the Trianon treaty, but were
> not.
> > >
> > > The Hungarian government claims not to have such records, but some
> records
> > > of Hungarian archives have been filmed by LDS, e.g., the 1869 records
> of
> > > Esztergom, which also happen to contain records of two villages now in
> > > Slovakia. This record can also be borrowed in Family History libraries
> to
> > > see the census of those villages in western Slovakia also.
> > >
> > > The family history catalog indexes only give detailed information in
> the
> > > index of materials that are actually online. Just like village names
> are
> > > not listed for records for baptisms, etc. when those villages are not
> the
> > > primary location, and we are on our own to find out which other village
> > > they are included within.
> > >
> > > Contrary to speculation of some, the village you mentioned, Dubravka,
> was
> > > not of Hungarian ethnicity. It was and is primarily Rusyn and Greek
> > > Catholic but also a large Slovak population.
> > >
> > > Curt B.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here's a strange response from LDS on the subject of 1869 Hungarian
> > > Census films that DO NOT appear online. The logic evades me.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I used Dubravka, Zemplen Megye as an example in my query.
> > > >
> > > > ******
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for contacting FamilySearch regarding records from the 1869
> > > Hungary Census, Zemplen that are recorded in the Catalog, but are not
> yet
> > > available online.
> > > >
> > > > We checked the film and discovered that the record custodians have
> > > restricted film number 722688 from online access at this time. You may
> > > order the film to a nearby FamilySearch Center by following the
> > > instructions in this link:
> > >
>
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ordering_Microfilm_or_Microfiche.Pleasebe
sure to call the FamilySearch Center to assure that they have the
>
> > > equipment needed to view the film once it comes in.
> > > >
> > > > We hope this information is helpful in your understanding of our
> > > records. We wish you well in the New Year.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > FamilySearch
> > > > Research Assistance
> > > > support@
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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>>> None of the 1869 census records that are in the Presov archive covering the
Zemplin territory villages have been approved for online status.  <<<

That's not quite correct. SOME of the ZEMPLEN Megye films are available online.
Because my particular interest is Dubravka, which is not online, I used it as an
example in my query to LDS.

I have not surveyed the online films to determine what proportion is currently
online. Nor have I checked other counties for completeness of online listings.

John,
That's what I thought too, that there are already Zemplen records online
and Dubravka missed out for some reason.
Maybe an email to the Presov archive requesting them to allow the LDS to
put it online might be a strategy. The LDS and Curt have suggested that the
archive custodians have restricted access. I think it is your right to ask
why.
I'm waiting for Pozsony megye to come online, although I would want the
whole of the pre-Trianon territories in a perfect world, fully and
accurately indexed :) I haven't yet started on my mother's side and they
stretch from Romania to the Ukraine. Maybe in another lifetime.

Peter M.

On 4 January 2013 23:55, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> >>> None of the 1869 census records that are in the Presov archive
> covering the Zemplin territory villages have been approved for online
> status. <<<
>
> That's not quite correct. SOME of the ZEMPLEN Megye films are available
> online. Because my particular interest is Dubravka, which is not online, I
> used it as an example in my query to LDS.
>
> I have not surveyed the online films to determine what proportion is
> currently online. Nor have I checked other counties for completeness of
> online listings.
>
>
>


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In a marriage record for Mihaly Sztricsko, there is a village name that I can't
figure out. It would seem that father Mihaly came from OSCVAI (or similar). The
marriage is in Senne, Ung Megye, just south of Michalovce, 3 km from Palin.

Where was the elder Mihaly SZTRICSKO from? See entry #15.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ-\
TVJ:n1521193330

Could it be Osztro, which is in Ung Megye also?

Sue

-----Original Message-----
From: "John" <johnqadam@...>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 12:56pm
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Brain Teaser






In a marriage record for Mihaly Sztricsko, there is a village name that I can't
figure out. It would seem that father Mihaly came from OSCVAI (or similar). The
marriage is in Senne, Ung Megye, just south of Michalovce, 3 km from Palin.

  Where was the elder Mihaly SZTRICSKO from? See entry #15.
[https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ\
-TVJ:n1521193330]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ-\
TVJ:n1521193330




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John,
It looks to me as Ocsvar,  later it was called Olcvar, and today known as
Ko�icke O��any. [kosicke olsany, without the diacritics] The village is not too
far away, just east of Kosice.

Curt B.

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> In a marriage record for Mihaly Sztricsko, there is a village name that I
can't figure out. It would seem that father Mihaly came from OSCVAI (or
similar). The marriage is in Senne, Ung Megye, just south of Michalovce, 3 km
from Palin.
>
> Where was the elder Mihaly SZTRICSKO from? See entry #15.
>
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ-\
TVJ:n1521193330
>

It is probably the best guess, albeit a considerable distance for someone to
travel in those early days. Perhaps the church records are available to help
solve the mystery.

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "CurtB"  wrote:
>
> John,
> It looks to me as Ocsvar,  later it was called Olcvar, and today known as
Ko�icke O��any. [kosicke olsany, without the diacritics] The village is not too
far away, just east of Kosice.
>
> Curt B.
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > In a marriage record for Mihaly Sztricsko, there is a village name that I
can't figure out. It would seem that father Mihaly came from OSCVAI (or
similar). The marriage is in Senne, Ung Megye, just south of Michalovce, 3 km
from Palin.
> >
> > Where was the elder Mihaly SZTRICSKO from? See entry #15.
> >
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ-\
TVJ:n1521193330
> >
>

Dear John:

Sometimes, there can be a distance greater than a few villages away.   In
my own genealogical research, it took my a long while to trace my
grandmother's village of origin because (1) the name of the village was in a
different form and did not appear to match any village names that I was familiar
with; and (2) I was looking only at villages in a close in proximity to the
village where she lived when she was married.  When I did find her village
of origin, the information matched the information that I had about my
grandmother (and her siblings, etc.), and also matched the stories that my
father had relayed to me about his mother growing up in the Tatra  Mountains.
One's occupation may play a role in the distance.

You may have already done it, but just in case, I would recommend that you
look through additional pages in the church records to see if you might be
able  to better decipher the handwriting.

I hope that everything else is going well for you, my friend, and wish you
and your family a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!


Best regards,

David




In a message dated 1/5/2013 8:20:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
johnqadam@... writes:




It is probably the best guess, albeit a considerable distance for someone
to travel in those early days. Perhaps the church records are available to
help solve the mystery.

--- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com)
,  "CurtB" wrote:
>
> John,
> It looks to me as Ocsvar, later  it was called Olcvar, and today known as
Košicke O¾šany. [kosicke olsany,  without the diacritics] The village is
not too far away, just east of  Kosice.
>
> Curt B.
>
> --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com) ,  "John" wrote:
> >
> > In a marriage record for Mihaly  Sztricsko, there is a village name
that I can't figure out. It would seem that  father Mihaly came from OSCVAI (or
similar). The marriage is in Senne, Ung  Megye, just south of Michalovce, 3
km from Palin.
> >
> >  Where was the elder Mihaly SZTRICSKO from? See entry #15.
> >
_https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ\
-TVJ:n1521193330_
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ\
-TVJ:n1521193330)
>  >
>






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I agree that proximity is usually a good indicator -- but not always. I have
checked the RC church records for Kosicke Olsany for 10 years prior to the
estimated year of birth and found no relevant birth record.

Perhaps this mystery will remain unsolved.

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, david1law@... wrote:
>
> Dear John:
>
> Sometimes, there can be a distance greater than a few villages away.   In
> my own genealogical research, it took my a long while to trace my
> grandmother's village of origin because (1) the name of the village was in a
> different form and did not appear to match any village names that I was
familiar
> with; and (2) I was looking only at villages in a close in proximity to the
> village where she lived when she was married.  When I did find her village
> of origin, the information matched the information that I had about my
> grandmother (and her siblings, etc.), and also matched the stories that my
> father had relayed to me about his mother growing up in the Tatra  Mountains.
> One's occupation may play a role in the distance.
>
> You may have already done it, but just in case, I would recommend that you
> look through additional pages in the church records to see if you might be
> able  to better decipher the handwriting.
>
> I hope that everything else is going well for you, my friend, and wish you
> and your family a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/5/2013 8:20:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> johnqadam@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> It is probably the best guess, albeit a considerable distance for someone
> to travel in those early days. Perhaps the church records are available to
> help solve the mystery.
>
> --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com)
> ,  "CurtB" wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > It looks to me as Ocsvar, later  it was called Olcvar, and today known as
> Košicke O¾šany. [kosicke olsany,  without the diacritics] The village is
> not too far away, just east of  Kosice.
> >
> > Curt B.
> >
> > --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com) ,  "John" wrote:
> > >
> > > In a marriage record for Mihaly  Sztricsko, there is a village name
> that I can't figure out. It would seem that  father Mihaly came from OSCVAI
(or
> similar). The marriage is in Senne, Ung  Megye, just south of Michalovce, 3
> km from Palin.
> > >
> > >  Where was the elder Mihaly SZTRICSKO from? See entry #15.
> > >
>
_https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ\
-TVJ:n1521193330_
>
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-120342-98?cc=1554443&wc=M9MJ\
-TVJ:n1521193330)
> >  >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2\
Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM9MJ-FLN%3An1376078761%3Fcc%3D1554443

     This is a link to the Greek Catholic parishes in the district of Sabinov,
where Circ and Ruska Vols nad Popradom are located. Circ is listed, since Ruska
VnP is so near I think that is was most likely an affiliated parish to Circ.

     My ancestral village of Hromos is not far away. I have been to Circ during
my trips to Slovakia.


From: ccknk
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:36 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Family Search on-line records


Can anyone tell me if there has been a change in the on-line Greek Catholic
records on Family Search for Slovakia, Stara L'ubovna, villages of Circ and
Ruska Vols nad Popradom (a.k.a. Csircs and Orosz Vol'ya). Thank you. Nick





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V obci DUBOVICA (okr. PREŠOV) sa v roku 1995 nachádzali najčastejšie tieto
priezviská: MOLČAN 72×; MOLČANOVÁ 60×; BAŇAS 42×; MIŽENKO 41×;
BAŇASOVÁ 39×; MIŽENKOVÁ 36×; CEPERKOVÁ 29×; CEPERKO 21×; MARTOŇÁKOVÁ
21×; SABOLÍK 21×; CIFRA 20×; HUDÁK 19×; LIPOVSKÝ 19×; OSLOVIČ 18×;
KRIŽALKOVIČOVÁ 18×; MARTOŇÁK 18×;

The above is some surnames found in Dubovica during the 1995 Slovak census. I
think you will find see some familiar ones.

Here are the names Dubovica has been known by.
Dubovica SB/PV šariš. po 1877 pričl. o. Petrovenec.
1773 Dobó, Dobo, Dubowicza, 1786 Dobo, Dubowicza, 1808 Dobó, Dubowice,
Dubowec, 1863 Dóbó, 1873–1902 Dobó, 1907–1913 Tarcadobó, 1920–
Dubovica

Here is the link to the online records for Dubovica.
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2\
Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM9MJ-KLR%3An1496887%3Fcc%3D1554443

From: jerubasky1
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:14 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Looking for Birth, Death, Marriage Records for Dubovica, Slovakia
area.


Hello Everyone,

I hope that everyone had a nice Christmas. I wish all of you a very happy and
blessed 2013.

I'm looking for any information on Dubovica area regrading birth,death,marriage.
I'm looking for my Great-Grandmother Birth record in Dubovica area. My
Great-Grandmother name is Anna(Superka or Cseperka or Ceperko)Rubacky was born
on 26th of Jul. 1880 to the pround parents of John Superka or Cseperka or
Ceperko and Anna Martonak.

I hope someone can help me out here.

Thanks,
JoAnne Rubasky-Kaiman





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Yes, you are absolutely correct.  Thank you.


From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Family Search on-line records

 
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2\
Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM9MJ-FLN%3An1376078761%3Fcc%3D1554443

This is a link to the Greek Catholic parishes in the district of Sabinov, where
Circ and Ruska Vols nad Popradom are located. Circ is listed, since Ruska VnP is
so near I think that is was most likely an affiliated parish to Circ.

My ancestral village of Hromos is not far away. I have been to Circ during my
trips to Slovakia.

From: ccknk
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:36 PM
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Family Search on-line records

Can anyone tell me if there has been a change in the on-line Greek Catholic
records on Family Search for Slovakia, Stara L'ubovna, villages of Circ and
Ruska Vols nad Popradom (a.k.a. Csircs and Orosz Vol'ya). Thank you. Nick

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Folks,

Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.� We received 5 very
well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.� We choose
to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
and we are not so large that we become our own private group.

Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and spam
along with Ron and I.

This
  is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
  group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
vanished.

Ron Matviyak
Joe Quashnock
Moderators


--- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. <doctor_jq@...> wrote:

From: Dr. Joe Q. <doctor_jq@...>
Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM

Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact with
Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she started
on Rootsweb).

Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.� Now Bill has moved
on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.

We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating this
site.

Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.

Thank you.

Dr. "Q"


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Welcome Carl.  And thank you Ron and Joe for the foresight of adding a
moderator and thinking longterm on keeping this great forum going.
Nick

From: Dr. Joe Q <doctor_jq@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 4:47 PM
Subject: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots

 
Folks,

Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.  We received 5 very
well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.  We choose
to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
and we are not so large that we become our own private group.

Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and spam
along with Ron and I.

This
is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
vanished.

Ron Matviyak
Joe Quashnock
Moderators

--- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dr. Joe Q. mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com>
Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM

Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact with
Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she started
on Rootsweb).

Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.  Now Bill has moved
on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.

We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating this
site.

Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.

Thank you.

Dr. "Q"

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Congratulations Carl!

Peter M.

On 8 January 2013 09:47, Dr. Joe Q <doctor_jq@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
> in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.  We received 5
> very well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
> decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.  We choose
> to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
> and we are not so large that we become our own private group.
>
> Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity
> and spam along with Ron and I.
>
> This
> is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
> group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
> vanished.
>
> Ron Matviyak
> Joe Quashnock
> Moderators
>
> --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@...> wrote:
>
> From: Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@...>
> Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
>
> Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact
> with Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she
> started on Rootsweb).
>
> Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.  Now Bill has
> moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.
>
> We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating
> this site.
>
> Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dr. "Q"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Welcome to those ready to face the glory and the spam!  :-)

________________________________________
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
Dr. Joe Q [doctor_jq@...]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:47 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots

Folks,

Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.  We received 5 very
well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.  We choose
to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
and we are not so large that we become our own private group.

Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and spam
along with Ron and I.

This
  is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
  group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
vanished.

Ron Matviyak
Joe Quashnock
Moderators


--- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. <doctor_jq@...> wrote:

From: Dr. Joe Q. <doctor_jq@...>
Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM

Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact with
Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she started
on Rootsweb).

Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.  Now Bill has moved
on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.

We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating this
site.

Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.

Thank you.

Dr. "Q"


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Stephen,

I don't understand what you are suggesting.

Do you expect the spam to increase now that we have a new Moderator?

I don't understand that.

Frank



   _____

From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Otruba, Stephen A
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:29 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots





Welcome to those ready to face the glory and the spam! :-)

________________________________________
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
[SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ] on
behalf of Dr. Joe Q [doctor_jq@... <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> ]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:47 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots

Folks,

Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum. We received 5
very well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum. We choose
to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
and we are not so large that we become our own private group.

Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and
spam along with Ron and I.

This
is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
vanished.

Ron Matviyak
Joe Quashnock
Moderators

--- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@...
<mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@... <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM

Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact
with Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she
started on Rootsweb).

Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year. Now Bill has
moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.

We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating
this site.

Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.

Thank you.

Dr. "Q"

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks to all of you, Ron, Joe, and Carl, for all the work you do, and to Bill
and Maura as well.  I think everyone will agree with me that your time and
effort is very much appreciated.

Frank, I think Stephen was just welcoming Carl to his new duties, which include
not only the thanks and gratitude of the forum members, but also the task of
dealing with spam.

Debbie


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Joe Q"  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
> in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.� We received 5 very
well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
> decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.� We choose
> to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
> and we are not so large that we become our own private group.
>
> Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and
spam along with Ron and I.
>
> This
>  is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
>  group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
> vanished.
>
> Ron Matviyak
> Joe Quashnock
> Moderators
>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q.  wrote:
>
> From: Dr. Joe Q.
> Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
>
> Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact with
Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she started
on Rootsweb).
>
> Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.� Now Bill has
moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.
>
> We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating this
site.
>
> Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dr. "Q"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>Great job moderators. Only thing that concerns me is posted links
>with no explanation of what they are about. My view is they are
>potentially dangerous and i just delete them.


Regards
Nick

Thanks everyone.  As moderator, I hope to stay deep in the background and as
invisible as possible.
CK

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee"  wrote:
>
> Thanks to all of you, Ron, Joe, and Carl, for all the work you do, and to Bill
and Maura as well.  I think everyone will agree with me that your time and
effort is very much appreciated.
>
> Frank, I think Stephen was just welcoming Carl to his new duties, which
include not only the thanks and gratitude of the forum members, but also the
task of dealing with spam.
>
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Joe Q"  wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
> > in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.� We received 5
very well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
> > decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.� We choose
> > to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
> > and we are not so large that we become our own private group.
> >
> > Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and
spam along with Ron and I.
> >
> > This
> >  is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
> >  group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
> > vanished.
> >
> > Ron Matviyak
> > Joe Quashnock
> > Moderators
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q.  wrote:
> >
> > From: Dr. Joe Q.
> > Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
> >
> > Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact
with Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she
started on Rootsweb).
> >
> > Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.� Now Bill has
moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.
> >
> > We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating
this site.
> >
> > Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Dr. "Q"
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I delete them as well. It looks like spam >>>



From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:13 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots






>Great job moderators. Only thing that concerns me is posted links
>with no explanation of what they are about. My view is they are
>potentially dangerous and i just delete them.

Regards
Nick





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Welcome Carl. �This group has been a great help to my research. �The moderators
do a great job.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I guess it was a lost attempt at a joke since part of the description in
the email was "...join us and is moderating activity and
spam along with Ron and I"

SteveO

On 1/7/2013 10:59 PM, Frank R Plichta wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> I don't understand what you are suggesting.
>
> Do you expect the spam to increase now that we have a new Moderator?
>
> I don't understand that.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>    _____
>
> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Otruba, Stephen A
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:29 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
>
>
>
>
>
> Welcome to those ready to face the glory and the spam! :-)
>
> ________________________________________
> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> [SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ] on
> behalf of Dr. Joe Q [doctor_jq@... <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> ]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:47 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
>
> Folks,
>
> Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
> in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum. We received 5
> very well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
> decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum. We choose
> to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
> and we are not so large that we become our own private group.
>
> Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and
> spam along with Ron and I.
>
> This
> is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
> group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
> vanished.
>
> Ron Matviyak
> Joe Quashnock
> Moderators
>
> --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@...
> <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@... <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
>
> Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact
> with Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she
> started on Rootsweb).
>
> Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year. Now Bill has
> moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.
>
> We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating
> this site.
>
> Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dr. "Q"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> PLEASE STAY ON-TOPIC (GENEALOGY). OFF-TOPIC ITEMS WILL BE BLOCKED.
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, go to
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> SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe@...
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>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>

Belated welcome Carl!

  I would also like to thank the moderators,contributors and members of this
wonderful group who have enlightened me throughout the years....oh boy, was I
ever green when I joined!

Thanks,
Dennis



--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Carl"  wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone.  As moderator, I hope to stay deep in the background and as
invisible as possible.
> CK
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee"  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all of you, Ron, Joe, and Carl, for all the work you do, and to
Bill and Maura as well.  I think everyone will agree with me that your time and
effort is very much appreciated.
> >
> > Frank, I think Stephen was just welcoming Carl to his new duties, which
include not only the thanks and gratitude of the forum members, but also the
task of dealing with spam.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Joe Q"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
> > > in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum.� We received
5 very well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
> > > decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum.� We choose
> > > to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
> > > and we are not so large that we become our own private group.
> > >
> > > Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity
and spam along with Ron and I.
> > >
> > > This
> > >  is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
> > >  group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
> > > vanished.
> > >
> > > Ron Matviyak
> > > Joe Quashnock
> > > Moderators
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q.  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Dr. Joe Q.
> > > Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
> > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
> > >
> > > Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact
with Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she
started on Rootsweb).
> > >
> > > Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year.� Now Bill
has moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.
> > >
> > > We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating
this site.
> > >
> > > Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Dr. "Q"
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

________________________________
From: Julie & Kevin <kajbene@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots

 
I delete them as well. It looks like spam >>>

From: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:13 AM
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots

>Great job moderators. Only thing that concerns me is posted links
>with no explanation of what they are about. My view is they are
>potentially dangerous and i just delete them.

Regards
Nick

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Steve

 I thought your using the word "glory" was clever;....

Slav meaning glorious.

So.....spam could also mean...Slavic Pursuit of Additional Moderator.



----- Original Message -----


From: "Steve Otruba" <otruba@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:34:39 AM
Subject: Re: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots

I guess it was a lost attempt at a joke since part of the description in
the email was "...join us and is moderating activity and
spam along with Ron and I"

SteveO

On 1/7/2013 10:59 PM, Frank R Plichta wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> I don't understand what you are suggesting.
>
> Do you expect the spam to increase now that we have a new Moderator?
>
> I don't understand that.
>
> Frank
>
>  
>
>    _____
>
> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Otruba, Stephen A
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:29 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
>
>  
>
>    
>
> Welcome to those ready to face the glory and the spam! :-)
>
> ________________________________________
> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> [SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ] on
> behalf of Dr. Joe Q [doctor_jq@... <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> ]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:47 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: New Moderator was [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
>
> Folks,
>
> Some time back we asked for volunteers to join Ron and I
> in moderating S-R and to assure continuation of the Forum. We received 5
> very well qualified offers to help us and faced the tough
> decision as to who to have join us in moderating this forum. We choose
> to keep the moderators at a small number so coordination remains easy
> and we are not so large that we become our own private group.
>
> Carl Kotlarchik is now the latest to join us and is moderating activity and
> spam along with Ron and I.
>
> This
> is a good time to remember, with thanks, Maura Petzolt who created this
> group and Bill Tarkulich who established moderator control once Maura
> vanished.
>
> Ron Matviyak
> Joe Quashnock
> Moderators
>
> --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@...
> <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Dr. Joe Q. doctor_jq@... <mailto:doctor_jq%40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [S-R] Additional Moderator for Slovak-Roots
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 11:33 AM
>
> Bill did a marvelous job in keeping this site going after we lost contact
> with Maura Petzolt (her absence has also been felt on the SHAMROCK list she
> started on Rootsweb).
>
> Ron and I have taken a more active roll over the past year. Now Bill has
> moved on to other interests and is no longer a moderator for this list.
>
> We are looking for one more person to step up and assist us in moderating
> this site.
>
> Please privately e-mail Ron or me if you are interested.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dr. "Q"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> PLEASE STAY ON-TOPIC (GENEALOGY). OFF-TOPIC ITEMS WILL BE BLOCKED.
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, go to
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS -or- send blank email to
> SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe@...
> <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.comYahoo> ! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello,

This may be my clue to a family mystery.  I have done my rough dictionary
translation of entry 15, the comment section.  It is the birth record of one of
my great grandmother's children.  Could this possibly an anulment?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22647-14943-37?cc=1554443

anno:  year
>maritus: nuptial/matrimonial
>propter: near/close, next to/on account of
>homicidium: homicide/murder/manslaughter
>ex(s)isto ex(s)titi: proceed/to come out/to turn into/
>perpetratium: carry out
>utor: to use
>incarceratur: in carcerem: in prison
>amplexus: embrace
>initio: to initiate
>jam: very soon
>prae: in front of
>reversa: turn back/Revert

Thanks in advance,  Mary

Mary

As far as I understand the last column means :

Anna Zahoransky's husband, Johannes Pablatura, of account op an homicide carried
out in 1880 , turned to be incarcerated, but the wife embraced a new life in an
other place.Recently, at the beginning of the this year, she left Miskol, being
already pregnant and returnet to Dobscha.

I hope this will help you.

Jacques

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "mbudzak@..."  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This may be my clue to a family mystery.  I have done my rough dictionary
translation of entry 15, the comment section.  It is the birth record of one of
my great grandmother's children.  Could this possibly an anulment?
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22647-14943-37?cc=1554443
>
> anno:  year
> >maritus: nuptial/matrimonial
> >propter: near/close, next to/on account of
> >homicidium: homicide/murder/manslaughter
> >ex(s)isto ex(s)titi: proceed/to come out/to turn into/
> >perpetratium: carry out
> >utor: to use
> >incarceratur: in carcerem: in prison
> >amplexus: embrace
> >initio: to initiate
> >jam: very soon
> >prae: in front of
> >reversa: turn back/Revert
>
> Thanks in advance,  Mary
>

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jcotteret"  wrote:
>Sorry for the keyboard mistakes in my previous answer , of course you should
read :  on account of....she left Miskolc(z)...and returned ...

Jacques Cotteret
>
>
> Mary
>
> As far as I understand the last column means :
>
> Anna Zahoransky's husband, Johannes Pablatura, of account op an homicide
carried out in 1880 , turned to be incarcerated, but the wife embraced a new
life in an other place.Recently, at the beginning of the this year, she left
Miskol, being already pregnant and returnet to Dobscha.
>
> I hope this will help you.
>
> Jacques
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "mbudzak@"  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This may be my clue to a family mystery.  I have done my rough dictionary
translation of entry 15, the comment section.  It is the birth record of one of
my great grandmother's children.  Could this possibly an anulment?
> >
> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22647-14943-37?cc=1554443
> >
> > anno:  year
> > >maritus: nuptial/matrimonial
> > >propter: near/close, next to/on account of
> > >homicidium: homicide/murder/manslaughter
> > >ex(s)isto ex(s)titi: proceed/to come out/to turn into/
> > >perpetratium: carry out
> > >utor: to use
> > >incarceratur: in carcerem: in prison
> > >amplexus: embrace
> > >initio: to initiate
> > >jam: very soon
> > >prae: in front of
> > >reversa: turn back/Revert
> >
> > Thanks in advance,  Mary
> >
>

Hi,

If you are in the Chicagoland area, the�Czech and Slovak American Genealogy
Society of Illinois invites you to our January program about the 1940 census.
�Jane Haldeman from the Illinois State Genealogical Society will explain how the
1940 U.S. Federal Census contains unique information that can tell you
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