Thankyou John I found them, now lets see if I can find some records from the
mormons.



________________________________
  From: John <johnqadam@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: [S-R] Re: Wars in hungary


 

>>> My great grandpa came from kisbari hungary and my great grandmother came
from parnov(places youve helped me try and find john but I still cant seem to
find them, too many name changes lol)<<<

Mala Bara, Slovakia, formerly Kis-Bari, Zemplén, Hungary.

Parchovany, Slovakia, formerly Parno, Zemplen, Hungary.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.

LLeporis


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well.  How does one get kicked out of a
country?  :)  Do tell!
>
> Welcome!
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> >
> > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's and
> > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom grew
> > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > >
> > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > >
> > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > http://tiptail.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I have put a file up in 'Leporis' files that at the top of the list is "#5
Andreas_Leporis". I see that on #34 is a Vietoris also. The Vietoris is well
known to me as a family alliance with the Leporis from apparently 1611 (during
reformation) through at least the late 1700's. (see Joseph Drenko / Kunova
Teplica..), also partially uploaded in my file list. Here is the question! How
in the world am I going to track all the Evangelical (Lutheran) pastors in my
family from Liptov to Kunova Templica? Does the Hungarian Reformed Church hold
such records? My main partner in this quest is actually a Vietoris descendant
whose gggrandpa was god son to Leporis (Advocate) in Kosice. What can I say,
Lutheran pastors moved a lot obviously. Also I invite you all to look for your
family's names and possible ancestors (probably would be Lutheran) in these very
old documents I managed to score for our viewing pleasure. In following
historical documents I have come to some fantastic realizations in my own
ancestry which make for an interesting story of some sort.. In any case I seem
to be so close yet so far in joining the dots as my family was very duplicitous
in their religious believes ie: communion in both kinds etc. (topic for SK world
probably). The transition of religion from Catholic to Lutheran is probably the
most interesting story yet considering the players involved. What's confusing me
even more is Gasper Leporis(Ucitel/teacher)and his brother(s) moving to
Vojvodina (NW of Novi Sad, old Jugoslavia). Linking him to Revuca was simple
enough but still searching concrete data. As Curt and I have discussed before
Revuca Evangelical church data was mostly destroyed by fire. However, enough was
retained for Joseph Drenko to mention my ancestors there. So what do I do? Too
long of post? I know exactly where this is all leading for the family as
Siebacher's and the Hungarians have left solid clues for me in their armorial
records however I still have too many gaps to present in essay what I've found.
I'd appreciate any feed back no matter what.

LLeporis

http://www.ecav.sk/?p=uvitanie This is the website of the Evangelical Church in
Slovakia. They have an English site, but very little is there since it seems to
be under construction. I would think that you should be able to contact them
about where the pastors were located.
http://www.evangelikus.hu/nyitolap?set_language=en&cl=en Here is the website for
the Evangelical Church in Hungary.

From: leporis1
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:39 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] ordained ministers and their geneology


I have put a file up in 'Leporis' files that at the top of the list is "#5
Andreas_Leporis". I see that on #34 is a Vietoris also. The Vietoris is well
known to me as a family alliance with the Leporis from apparently 1611 (during
reformation) through at least the late 1700's. (see Joseph Drenko / Kunova
Teplica..), also partially uploaded in my file list. Here is the question! How
in the world am I going to track all the Evangelical (Lutheran) pastors in my
family from Liptov to Kunova Templica? Does the Hungarian Reformed Church hold
such records? My main partner in this quest is actually a Vietoris descendant
whose gggrandpa was god son to Leporis (Advocate) in Kosice. What can I say,
Lutheran pastors moved a lot obviously. Also I invite you all to look for your
family's names and possible ancestors (probably would be Lutheran) in these very
old documents I managed to score for our viewing pleasure. In following
historical documents I have come to some fantastic realizations in my own
ancestry which make for an interesting story of some sort.. In any case I seem
to be so close yet so far in joining the dots as my family was very duplicitous
in their religious believes ie: communion in both kinds etc. (topic for SK world
probably). The transition of religion from Catholic to Lutheran is probably the
most interesting story yet considering the players involved. What's confusing me
even more is Gasper Leporis(Ucitel/teacher)and his brother(s) moving to
Vojvodina (NW of Novi Sad, old Jugoslavia). Linking him to Revuca was simple
enough but still searching concrete data. As Curt and I have discussed before
Revuca Evangelical church data was mostly destroyed by fire. However, enough was
retained for Joseph Drenko to mention my ancestors there. So what do I do? Too
long of post? I know exactly where this is all leading for the family as
Siebacher's and the Hungarians have left solid clues for me in their armorial
records however I still have too many gaps to present in essay what I've found.
I'd appreciate any feed back no matter what.

LLeporis





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II  Article on
“Expulsion of Germans after World War II.

From: leporis1
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:09 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member


Hi,

not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.

LLeporis

--- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well. How does one get kicked out of a
country? :) Do tell!
>
> Welcome!
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> >
> > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's and
> > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom grew
> > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > >
> > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > >
> > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > http://tiptail.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cynthia,

"not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
country."

In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister was
Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29



I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions of
"German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by Germans,
Hungarian and Rusin Towns.


From where did you get information on this??


I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was long
before WWII.

I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records in
Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our Slovak
ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or German),
and very often tri-lingual, (All three).

 In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??  

I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site for the
Lutheran University in Bratislava:

http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/

Z Bohom,

Vilo



________________________________
  From: leporis1 <leporis1@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member


 
Hi,

not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.

LLeporis

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well.  How does one get kicked out of a
country?  :)  Do tell!
>
> Welcome!
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> >
> > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's and
> > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom grew
> > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > >
> > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > >
> > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > http://tiptail.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pan Mojher,
Thx! Any chance you might know where to chase this 'described document' down.
State Archives?

....v. Kцnig Leopold I., i. J. 1710 einen Adels- u. Wappenbrief (im Vereine mit
dem Geschlechte Leporisz), welcher 1711 im Trentschiner Ctte publicirt wurde.

LLeporis


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.ecav.sk/?p=uvitanie This is the website of the Evangelical Church
in Slovakia. They have an English site, but very little is there since it seems
to be under construction. I would think that you should be able to contact them
about where the pastors were located.
> http://www.evangelikus.hu/nyitolap?set_language=en&cl=en Here is the website
for the Evangelical Church in Hungary.
>
> From: leporis1
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:39 AM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-R] ordained ministers and their geneology
>
>
> I have put a file up in 'Leporis' files that at the top of the list is "#5
Andreas_Leporis". I see that on #34 is a Vietoris also. The Vietoris is well
known to me as a family alliance with the Leporis from apparently 1611 (during
reformation) through at least the late 1700's. (see Joseph Drenko / Kunova
Teplica..), also partially uploaded in my file list. Here is the question! How
in the world am I going to track all the Evangelical (Lutheran) pastors in my
family from Liptov to Kunova Templica? Does the Hungarian Reformed Church hold
such records? My main partner in this quest is actually a Vietoris descendant
whose gggrandpa was god son to Leporis (Advocate) in Kosice. What can I say,
Lutheran pastors moved a lot obviously. Also I invite you all to look for your
family's names and possible ancestors (probably would be Lutheran) in these very
old documents I managed to score for our viewing pleasure. In following
historical documents I have come to some fantastic realizations in my own
ancestry which make for an interesting story of some sort.. In any case I seem
to be so close yet so far in joining the dots as my family was very duplicitous
in their religious believes ie: communion in both kinds etc. (topic for SK world
probably). The transition of religion from Catholic to Lutheran is probably the
most interesting story yet considering the players involved. What's confusing me
even more is Gasper Leporis(Ucitel/teacher)and his brother(s) moving to
Vojvodina (NW of Novi Sad, old Jugoslavia). Linking him to Revuca was simple
enough but still searching concrete data. As Curt and I have discussed before
Revuca Evangelical church data was mostly destroyed by fire. However, enough was
retained for Joseph Drenko to mention my ancestors there. So what do I do? Too
long of post? I know exactly where this is all leading for the family as
Siebacher's and the Hungarians have left solid clues for me in their armorial
records however I still have too many gaps to present in essay what I've found.
I'd appreciate any feed back no matter what.
>
> LLeporis
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This is my deceased husband's grandfather.  There are no living relatives
available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some information
on his WW1 Draft Registration.

Please view this at my web page:  http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg

It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria  to me.  On the 1910 US Census he is
living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and they
actually have Russian as the language they speak.  The last name is currently
Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as Micklish, Miklus,
Micklos, Miklos.  Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest I find him in the US
is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.

I'm trying to research this for my daughter.

Any help is apprecated.

Brenda

Vilo,

Thanks for responding, but I feel I must make a few important corrections before
this topic goes too far.  Everyone here needs to do a bit of basic homework,
because this history is too complicated, too political and too emotional to be
discussed profitably at any great length on this Genealogical forum.

To repeat, questioners and answering people, you owe it to yourselves and the
rest of us to do some basic reading. There is so much propaganda on this topic
that Wikipedia may well be as accurate as anything else you find on the web -
there is a lot of nonsense and inflammatory writing out there, and forums out
there for people who like to argue history.

Corrections:
The first Slovak Republic was set up in 1939, with Tiso as president. Google
First Slovak Republic.

German colonists were invited into the country in the 1200's to help rebuild and
repopulate after the devastation of the Mongol / Tatar invasions of 1242. There
was another wave, perhaps in the 1400's.

Germans were kicked out of CzechoSlovakia in 1945 and after WW II. Google Benes
Decrees; Carpathian Germans; Zips Germans; german expulsion.

Josef Tiso: google his name to find out if he was premier, prime minister or
president 1939 - 1945. That was a very controversial time and there are strong
opinions about him and his government.

Another topic to google is 'holocaust in Slovakia' for another part of history
with several perspectives.  I suspect the Germans were kicked out more for their
5th Column activities in WW II and not over indignation at the Jewish Holocaust.

So on with the homework!  When you come back to the forum with this topic, try
to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are many controversial
stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to hash these out!

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...> wrote:
>
> Cynthia,
>
> "not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
> Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
> the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
> country."
>
> In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister was
Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29
>
>
>
> I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions
of "German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by
Germans, Hungarian and Rusin Towns.
>
>
> From where did you get information on this??
>
>
> I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was
long before WWII.
>
> I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records
in Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our Slovak
ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or German),
and very often tri-lingual, (All three).
>
>  In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??  
>
> I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site for
the Lutheran University in Bratislava:
>
>
http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/
>
> Z Bohom,
>
> Vilo
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: leporis1 <leporis1@...>
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member
>
>
>  
> Hi,
>
> not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.
>
> LLeporis
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well.  How does one get kicked out of a
country?  :)  Do tell!
> >
> > Welcome!
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> > >
> > > Peter M.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > > >
> > > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's
and
> > > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom
grew
> > > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > > >
> > > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > > >
> > > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > > Cynthia
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > http://tiptail.com
> > > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hallo Vilo,



I think you have some typos in your e-mail.



1. The first Slovak Republic was founded in 1939 and not 1929.



2. The expulsion of Germans form Czechoslovakia was after the WWII in 1945. You
can read about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#Czechoslova\
kia

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia\
_during_and_after_World_War_II



I am not sure about the „Point of view“ of this articles, the point of view
form German writers is definitively diffrent than of Czech writers.



There were expulsed also Germans from Slovakia, mostly is talking only about
germans frome Sudetenland. It is easy to understand why – in Sudetenland there
were about 3.000.000 Germans, in whole Slovakia about 150.000.



Ladislav



From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:10 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member





Cynthia,

"not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
country."

In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister was
Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29

I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions of
"German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by Germans,
Hungarian and Rusin Towns.

From where did you get information on this??

I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was long
before WWII.

I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records in
Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our Slovak
ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or German),
and very often tri-lingual, (All three).

  In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??

I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site for the
Lutheran University in Bratislava:

http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/

Z Bohom,

Vilo

________________________________
From: leporis1 <leporis1@... <mailto:leporis1%40yahoo.com> >
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member



Hi,

not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.

LLeporis

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well. How does one get kicked out of a
country? :) Do tell!
>
> Welcome!
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ,
htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> >
> > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's and
> > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom grew
> > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > >
> > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > >
> > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > http://tiptail.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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I am familiar with the History.  As a matter of fact I am a Tisovec.

Z Bohom,

Vilo



________________________________
  From: Ron <amiak27@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member


 
Vilo,

Thanks for responding, but I feel I must make a few important corrections before
this topic goes too far.  Everyone here needs to do a bit of basic homework,
because this history is too complicated, too political and too emotional to be
discussed profitably at any great length on this Genealogical forum.

To repeat, questioners and answering people, you owe it to yourselves and the
rest of us to do some basic reading. There is so much propaganda on this topic
that Wikipedia may well be as accurate as anything else you find on the web -
there is a lot of nonsense and inflammatory writing out there, and forums out
there for people who like to argue history.

Corrections:
The first Slovak Republic was set up in 1939, with Tiso as president. Google
First Slovak Republic.

German colonists were invited into the country in the 1200's to help rebuild and
repopulate after the devastation of the Mongol / Tatar invasions of 1242. There
was another wave, perhaps in the 1400's.

Germans were kicked out of CzechoSlovakia in 1945 and after WW II. Google Benes
Decrees; Carpathian Germans; Zips Germans; german expulsion.

Josef Tiso: google his name to find out if he was premier, prime minister or
president 1939 - 1945. That was a very controversial time and there are strong
opinions about him and his government.

Another topic to google is 'holocaust in Slovakia' for another part of history
with several perspectives.  I suspect the Germans were kicked out more for their
5th Column activities in WW II and not over indignation at the Jewish Holocaust.

So on with the homework!  When you come back to the forum with this topic, try
to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are many controversial
stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to hash these out!

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...> wrote:
>
> Cynthia,
>
> "not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
> Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
> the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
> country."
>
> In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister
was Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29
>
>
>
> I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions
of "German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by
Germans, Hungarian and Rusin Towns.
>
>
> From where did you get information on this??
>
>
> I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was
long before WWII.
>
> I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records
in Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our
Slovak ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or
German), and very often tri-lingual, (All three).
>
>  In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??  
>
> I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site for
the Lutheran University in Bratislava:
>
>
http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/
>
> Z Bohom,
>
> Vilo
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: leporis1 <leporis1@...>
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member
>
>
>  
> Hi,
>
> not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.
>
> LLeporis
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well.  How does one get kicked out of a
country?  :)  Do tell!
> >
> > Welcome!
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> > >
> > > Peter M.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > > >
> > > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's
and
> > > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom
grew
> > > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > > >
> > > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > > >
> > > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > > Cynthia
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > http://tiptail.com
> > > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

v. CN † King Leopold I, in AD 1710 one-and nobility. crest letter (in union
with the race Leporisz) also (in the clubs with the tribe of Leporisz), which in
1711 was Trentschiner ctte publicirt - is how Google Translate did your German
notation.

Trentschiner is Trencsén county (in Latin: comitatus
Trentsiniensis/Trenchiniensis, in Hungarian Trencsén (vár) megye, in Slovak
Trenčiansky komitát/ Trenčianska stolica/ Trenčianska župa, German:
Trentschiner Gespanschaft/Komitat) is the name of a historic administrative
county (comitatus) of the Kingdom of Hungary. Its territory is presently in
western Slovakia.

There is a state archive in Trencin, but it is pretty limited in its holdings.
The Slovak National Archive in Bratislava would be a better one to try and see
if they have the document you are looking for.

There is a problem with the notation – King Leopold I died in 1705, so how he
could be doing something in 1710 is interesting.
From: leporis1
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:33 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] ordained ministers and their genealogy


Pan Mojher,
Thx! Any chance you might know where to chase this 'described document' down.
State Archives?

....v. Kцnig Leopold I., i. J. 1710 einen Adels- u. Wappenbrief (im Vereine
mit dem Geschlechte Leporisz), welcher 1711 im Trentschiner Ctte publicirt
wurde.

LLeporis

--- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.ecav.sk/?p=uvitanie This is the website of the Evangelical Church
in Slovakia. They have an English site, but very little is there since it seems
to be under construction. I would think that you should be able to contact them
about where the pastors were located.
> http://www.evangelikus.hu/nyitolap?set_language=en&cl=en Here is the website
for the Evangelical Church in Hungary.
>
> From: leporis1
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:39 AM
> To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-R] ordained ministers and their geneology
>
>
> I have put a file up in 'Leporis' files that at the top of the list is "#5
Andreas_Leporis". I see that on #34 is a Vietoris also. The Vietoris is well
known to me as a family alliance with the Leporis from apparently 1611 (during
reformation) through at least the late 1700's. (see Joseph Drenko / Kunova
Teplica..), also partially uploaded in my file list. Here is the question! How
in the world am I going to track all the Evangelical (Lutheran) pastors in my
family from Liptov to Kunova Templica? Does the Hungarian Reformed Church hold
such records? My main partner in this quest is actually a Vietoris descendant
whose gggrandpa was god son to Leporis (Advocate) in Kosice. What can I say,
Lutheran pastors moved a lot obviously. Also I invite you all to look for your
family's names and possible ancestors (probably would be Lutheran) in these very
old documents I managed to score for our viewing pleasure. In following
historical documents I have come to some fantastic realizations in my own
ancestry which make for an interesting story of some sort.. In any case I seem
to be so close yet so far in joining the dots as my family was very duplicitous
in their religious believes ie: communion in both kinds etc. (topic for SK world
probably). The transition of religion from Catholic to Lutheran is probably the
most interesting story yet considering the players involved. What's confusing me
even more is Gasper Leporis(Ucitel/teacher)and his brother(s) moving to
Vojvodina (NW of Novi Sad, old Jugoslavia). Linking him to Revuca was simple
enough but still searching concrete data. As Curt and I have discussed before
Revuca Evangelical church data was mostly destroyed by fire. However, enough was
retained for Joseph Drenko to mention my ancestors there. So what do I do? Too
long of post? I know exactly where this is all leading for the family as
Siebacher's and the Hungarians have left solid clues for me in their armorial
records however I still have too many gaps to present in essay what I've found.
I'd appreciate any feed back no matter what.
>
> LLeporis
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Vilo,

Ladislav expressed it well. But you presented a good opportunity to list off
some reading people should do.  Thanks.

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...> wrote:
>
> I am familiar with the History.  As a matter of fact I am a Tisovec.
>
> Z Bohom,
>
> Vilo
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Ron <amiak27@...>
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member
>
>
>  
> Vilo,
>
> Thanks for responding, but I feel I must make a few important corrections
before this topic goes too far.  Everyone here needs to do a bit of basic
homework, because this history is too complicated, too political and too
emotional to be discussed profitably at any great length on this Genealogical
forum.
>
> To repeat, questioners and answering people, you owe it to yourselves and the
rest of us to do some basic reading. There is so much propaganda on this topic
that Wikipedia may well be as accurate as anything else you find on the web -
there is a lot of nonsense and inflammatory writing out there, and forums out
there for people who like to argue history.
>
> Corrections:
> The first Slovak Republic was set up in 1939, with Tiso as president. Google
First Slovak Republic.
>
> German colonists were invited into the country in the 1200's to help rebuild
and repopulate after the devastation of the Mongol / Tatar invasions of 1242.
There was another wave, perhaps in the 1400's.
>
> Germans were kicked out of CzechoSlovakia in 1945 and after WW II. Google
Benes Decrees; Carpathian Germans; Zips Germans; german expulsion.
>
> Josef Tiso: google his name to find out if he was premier, prime minister or
president 1939 - 1945. That was a very controversial time and there are strong
opinions about him and his government.
>
> Another topic to google is 'holocaust in Slovakia' for another part of history
with several perspectives.  I suspect the Germans were kicked out more for their
5th Column activities in WW II and not over indignation at the Jewish Holocaust.
>
> So on with the homework!  When you come back to the forum with this topic, try
to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are many controversial
stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to hash these out!
>
> Ron
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@> wrote:
> >
> > Cynthia,
> >
> > "not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
> > Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
> > the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
> > country."
> >
> > In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister
was Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
> >   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29
> >
> >
> >
> > I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions
of "German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by
Germans, Hungarian and Rusin Towns.
> >
> >
> > From where did you get information on this??
> >
> >
> > I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was
long before WWII.
> >
> > I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records
in Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our
Slovak ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or
German), and very often tri-lingual, (All three).
> >
> >  In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??  
> >
> > I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site
for the Lutheran University in Bratislava:
> >
> >
http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/
> >
> > Z Bohom,
> >
> > Vilo
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: leporis1 <leporis1@>
> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi,
> >
> > not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the
holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure
when Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.
> >
> > LLeporis
> >
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well.  How does one get kicked out of a
country?  :)  Do tell!
> > >
> > > Welcome!
> > > Debbie
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > > > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting
kicked
> > > > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> > > >
> > > > Peter M.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My
name is
> > > > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > > > >
> > > > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's
and
> > > > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested
in
> > > > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia
in
> > > > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom
grew
> > > > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > > > >
> > > > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > > > Cynthia
> > > > >
> > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > http://tiptail.com
> > > > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

1. 1929 was a typo

2. "I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was
long before WWII"

________________________________
  From: Ladislav Rosival <lacoros@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: [S-R] New Member


 
Hallo Vilo,

I think you have some typos in your e-mail.

1. The first Slovak Republic was founded in 1939 and not 1929.

2. The expulsion of Germans form Czechoslovakia was after the WWII in 1945. You
can read about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#Czechoslova\
kia

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia\
_during_and_after_World_War_II

I am not sure about the „Point of view“ of this articles, the point of view
form German writers is definitively diffrent than of Czech writers.

There were expulsed also Germans from Slovakia, mostly is talking only about
germans frome Sudetenland. It is easy to understand why – in Sudetenland there
were about 3.000.000 Germans, in whole Slovakia about 150.000.

Ladislav

From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:10 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member

Cynthia,

"not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
country."

In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister was
Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29

I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions of
"German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by Germans,
Hungarian and Rusin Towns.

From where did you get information on this??

I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was long
before WWII.

I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records in
Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our Slovak
ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or German),
and very often tri-lingual, (All three).

In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??

I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site for the
Lutheran University in Bratislava:

http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/

Z Bohom,

Vilo

________________________________
From: leporis1 <leporis1@... <mailto:leporis1%40yahoo.com> >
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member

Hi,

not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.

LLeporis

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well. How does one get kicked out of a
country? :) Do tell!
>
> Welcome!
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ,
htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> >
> > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's and
> > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom grew
> > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > >
> > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > >
> > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > http://tiptail.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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http://hungarianvillagefinder.com/HVFIndex2/62_ZEMPLEN.html  This is the list of
the names of the villages in Zemplen County (Zemplinsky) Hungary. None of the
villages, from what I can see, end in “snois.” And none began with
“Nut.” The “N” does look like it begins the same as the “M” in Maj,
but lack the second stroke. So I can see where you saw the “N”. A

Where is he located in the 1910 Census. I used Ancestry.com and there were not
“hits” for a Peter Miklish. What are his parents names? Have you found them
in the Ellis Island records? More clues are needed to find the ancestral
village.

From: bassfantastic
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Help with birth location


This is my deceased husband's grandfather. There are no living relatives
available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some information
on his WW1 Draft Registration.

Please view this at my web page: http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg

It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US Census he is
living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and they
actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last name is currently
Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as Micklish, Miklus,
Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest I find him in the US is
the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.

I'm trying to research this for my daughter.

Any help is apprecated.

Brenda





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Well I can safely state that the Ozman (Ottoman) advance, Rakozi, Thokoly
and Thurzo, all promoted Evangelical over Catholic. The Ottomans were
anti-Catholic and strongly promoted Lutheranism. The effect of this was
that churches once Catholic - turned Lutheran overnight, then back to
Catholic, also overnight in Hapsburg controlled areas.
I too am looking for Lutheran records, particularly of the Galanta district
which reverted back to Catholicism. I do have Balskovics Jozsef's "Az
Ujvari Ejalet Torok Adoosszeirasai" - Pozsony 1993 Erdem ('The Ujvari
Eyalet Turkish Tax Collections' ~ Hungarian only) which looks at the
Ottoman defters for Ersekujvar and (partially) Estergom vyalets, detailing
names and places throughout the region. The issue he found was that the
Ottomans transcribed names into Arabic script phonetically and so not
directly translatable back to Magyar. Consequently he spent a decade or so
sounding out names from the defters in Arabic and tried to find Magyar and
Slav cognomens. He assembled around 20,000 names with cognomen locations of
the period.
This is also complicated by the fact that when the tax collectors came,
many hid in forests to avoid the defters, so we are not talking about 100%
participation.
Genealogically, the records mentions relationships - eg father to son,
brother etc, but as the tax collectors had little idea of the naming
conventions, a lot of confusion arose as they confused work names, places
and vezetek names (surnames). Many of these names stuck. The nobility and
possibly some clergy evacuated into safehaven Hapsberg controlled towns.
Another aspect to consider is that none of this is on a database of any
sort.
Very few academic studies have been made using defters as a historic
resource. Contact Gabor Agoston for further information on this (Georgetown
University - I'll forward his email if you are interested).

So prior to the mid 1700's many church records were 'lost' - but I am
hopeful that they are around somewhere, maybe in Lutheran archives. I am
furious that records after the Turks were thrown out, between 1700 and 1770
have also 'disappeared'. Why?

Peter M.


On 5 December 2012 07:33, leporis1 <leporis1@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Pan Mojher,
> Thx! Any chance you might know where to chase this 'described document'
> down. State Archives?
>
> ....v. Kцnig Leopold I., i. J. 1710 einen Adels- u. Wappenbrief (im
> Vereine mit dem Geschlechte Leporisz), welcher 1711 im Trentschiner Ctte
> publicirt wurde.
>
> LLeporis
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.ecav.sk/?p=uvitanie This is the website of the Evangelical
> Church in Slovakia. They have an English site, but very little is there
> since it seems to be under construction. I would think that you should be
> able to contact them about where the pastors were located.
> > http://www.evangelikus.hu/nyitolap?set_language=en&cl=en Here is the
> website for the Evangelical Church in Hungary.
> >
> > From: leporis1
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:39 AM
> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-R] ordained ministers and their geneology
> >
> >
> > I have put a file up in 'Leporis' files that at the top of the list is
> "#5 Andreas_Leporis". I see that on #34 is a Vietoris also. The Vietoris is
> well known to me as a family alliance with the Leporis from apparently 1611
> (during reformation) through at least the late 1700's. (see Joseph Drenko /
> Kunova Teplica..), also partially uploaded in my file list. Here is the
> question! How in the world am I going to track all the Evangelical
> (Lutheran) pastors in my family from Liptov to Kunova Templica? Does the
> Hungarian Reformed Church hold such records? My main partner in this quest
> is actually a Vietoris descendant whose gggrandpa was god son to Leporis
> (Advocate) in Kosice. What can I say, Lutheran pastors moved a lot
> obviously. Also I invite you all to look for your family's names and
> possible ancestors (probably would be Lutheran) in these very old documents
> I managed to score for our viewing pleasure. In following historical
> documents I have come to some fantastic realizations in my own ancestry
> which make for an interesting story of some sort.. In any case I seem to be
> so close yet so far in joining the dots as my family was very duplicitous
> in their religious believes ie: communion in both kinds etc. (topic for SK
> world probably). The transition of religion from Catholic to Lutheran is
> probably the most interesting story yet considering the players involved.
> What's confusing me even more is Gasper Leporis(Ucitel/teacher)and his
> brother(s) moving to Vojvodina (NW of Novi Sad, old Jugoslavia). Linking
> him to Revuca was simple enough but still searching concrete data. As Curt
> and I have discussed before Revuca Evangelical church data was mostly
> destroyed by fire. However, enough was retained for Joseph Drenko to
> mention my ancestors there. So what do I do? Too long of post? I know
> exactly where this is all leading for the family as Siebacher's and the
> Hungarians have left solid clues for me in their armorial records however I
> still have too many gaps to present in essay what I've found. I'd
> appreciate any feed back no matter what.
> >
> > LLeporis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am guessing that he was Greek Catholic. [Russion] was probably Rusyn.

Cisarik gives a single clue for Miklic in Zemplen Megye = country and that is in
Stropkov.

Somehow, we need to figure out the village name in Zemplen Megye. I know that we
can do it!



--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "bassfantastic" <breny@...> wrote:
>
> This is my deceased husband's grandfather.  There are no living relatives
available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some information
on his WW1 Draft Registration.
>
> Please view this at my web page:  http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg
>
> It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria  to me.  On the 1910 US Census he
is living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and they
actually have Russian as the language they speak.  The last name is currently
Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as Micklish, Miklus,
Micklos, Miklos.  Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest I find him in the US
is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.
>
> I'm trying to research this for my daughter.
>
> Any help is apprecated.
>
> Brenda
>

Ron said "try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are
many controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum
to hash these out!"

This IS a genealogic forum and the Benes Decree is vital! It may be a taboo
subject here, but it's importance for later genealogical work is very
significant. We tend not to discuss this and almost ignoring those
of Slovak/Rusyn/Bohemian/Moravian/German/Ukrainian and Galacian ancestry
(hundreds of thousands) who are now fully assimilated in Hungarian ethnic
towns and villages along the southern strip. Millions of people were
displaced throughout the whole of Czechoslovakia because of the Benes
decree.

2011 - the darker the green the more 'ethnic' Hungarians:
http://www.foruminst.sk/images/album/129/2-392-33729-129-orig.jpg That is a
significant slab of Slovakia where the ethnic border does not match the
political one. A map of German displacement would be extremely valuable.

I understand fully that political discussions are verboten, but sooner or
later those Benes Decree lists will become (some are already) public
domain. The ones I've seen show which families were forced to move.
Documentary evidence is being collected as we speak showing adoption of
Czechoslovak citizenship, travelling papers, resettlement addresses and
other vital information. Being 2012, the parents of those who were evicted
are passing on, so this knowledge becomes vital. Even some Slovaks were
deported!
Here's a memorial plaque of those families that were displaced by the Benes
Decree:
http://www.foruminst.sk/en/66/visual_bilingualism/0/research_on_usage_of_hungari\
an_language_in_southern_slovakia/1/5210/deportees_memorial_plaque
(note that previous 'face on' images of this were removed by the website to
protect the identities of those listed)

And it's not just Slovakia, but significant Hungarian, Serbian and Romanian
displacements as well, all authorized and carried out by their respective
post WW2 governments.
In fact it is impossible to do later - post WW1 and WW2 genealogical work
without mentioning (non-jewish) genocide, atrocities and other forms of
cleansing in some of these places. Millions were displaced or killed
including ethnic Slovaks and Rusyns - and as further academic research
continues past the 50 year moratorium, more of this will come to light.

I agree that we should concentrate on genealogy, but referral to the above
events should not be dismissed out of hand as a cause for death and
displacement.

Peter M.

On 5 December 2012 10:49, Ron <amiak27@...> wrote:

> try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are many
> controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to
> hash these out!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Recently, I found that if you can find his naturalization papers, his place
of birth should be listed there. Do you have it somewhere?

Peter M.


On 5 December 2012 13:50, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I am guessing that he was Greek Catholic. [Russion] was probably Rusyn.
>
> Cisarik gives a single clue for Miklic in Zemplen Megye = country and that
> is in Stropkov.
>
> Somehow, we need to figure out the village name in Zemplen Megye. I know
> that we can do it!
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "bassfantastic" <breny@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is my deceased husband's grandfather. There are no living relatives
> available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some
> information on his WW1 Draft Registration.
> >
> > Please view this at my web page: http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg
> >
> > It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US Census
> he is living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and
> they actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last name is
> currently Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as
> Micklish, Miklus, Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest
> I find him in the US is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.
> >
> > I'm trying to research this for my daughter.
> >
> > Any help is apprecated.
> >
> > Brenda
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In the 1995 Slovak Census there were 22 listings for Miklic in 4 locations. They
are are in eastern Slovakia.
Priezvisko MIKLIČ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 22×, celkový počet
lokalít: 4, v lokalitách:
PREŠOV, okr. PREŠOV – 13×;
ROŽŇAVA, okr. ROŽŇAVA – 4×;
NIŽNÁ ŠEBASTOVÁ (obec PREŠOV), okr. PREŠOV – 3×;
STROPKOV, okr. SVIDNÍK (od r. 1996 STROPKOV) – 2×;

From: bassfantastic
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Help with birth location


This is my deceased husband's grandfather. There are no living relatives
available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some information
on his WW1 Draft Registration.

Please view this at my web page: http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg

It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US Census he is
living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and they
actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last name is currently
Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as Micklish, Miklus,
Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest I find him in the US is
the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.

I'm trying to research this for my daughter.

Any help is apprecated.

Brenda





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
LLeporis said?

"This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not)"


>what do you mean real or not?

Nick



Regards
Nick

Peter,

Well said!  Any events that caused people to change their economic, political or
religious status, change their place of residence, or that resulted in their
imprisonment or death are very significant from a genealogical point of view. 
Additionally the reasons for such events often impact what records we seek and
where we seek them, and are therefore also of genealogical importance.  Ignoring
such events and their causes only handicaps our research, and discussions about
them definitely belong in this forum!

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:

> Ron said "try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are
> many controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum
> to hash these out!"
>
> This IS a genealogic forum and the Benes Decree is vital! It may be a taboo
> subject here, but it's importance for later genealogical work is very
> significant. We tend not to discuss this and almost ignoring those
> of Slovak/Rusyn/Bohemian/Moravian/German/Ukrainian and Galacian ancestry
> (hundreds of thousands) who are now fully assimilated in Hungarian ethnic
> towns and villages along the southern strip. Millions of people were
> displaced throughout the whole of Czechoslovakia because of the Benes
> decree.
>
> 2011 - the darker the green the more 'ethnic' Hungarians:
> http://www.foruminst.sk/images/album/129/2-392-33729-129-orig.jpg That is a
> significant slab of Slovakia where the ethnic border does not match the
> political one. A map of German displacement would be extremely valuable.
>
> I understand fully that political discussions are verboten, but sooner or
> later those Benes Decree lists will become (some are already) public
> domain. The ones I've seen show which families were forced to move.
> Documentary evidence is being collected as we speak showing adoption of
> Czechoslovak citizenship, travelling papers, resettlement addresses and
> other vital information. Being 2012, the parents of those who were evicted
> are passing on, so this knowledge becomes vital. Even some Slovaks were
> deported!
> Here's a memorial plaque of those families that were displaced by the Benes
> Decree:
>
http://www.foruminst.sk/en/66/visual_bilingualism/0/research_on_usage_of_hungari\
an_language_in_southern_slovakia/1/5210/deportees_memorial_plaque
> (note that previous 'face on' images of this were removed by the website to
> protect the identities of those listed)
>
> And it's not just Slovakia, but significant Hungarian, Serbian and Romanian
> displacements as well, all authorized and carried out by their respective
> post WW2 governments.
> In fact it is impossible to do later - post WW1 and WW2 genealogical work
> without mentioning (non-jewish) genocide, atrocities and other forms of
> cleansing in some of these places. Millions were displaced or killed
> including ethnic Slovaks and Rusyns - and as further academic research
> continues past the 50 year moratorium, more of this will come to light.
>
> I agree that we should concentrate on genealogy, but referral to the above
> events should not be dismissed out of hand as a cause for death and
> displacement.
>
> Peter M.
>
> On 5 December 2012 10:49, Ron <amiak27@...> wrote:
>
> > try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are many
> > controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to
> > hash these out!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Joanne,

How certain are you of the dates you gave?

There are no Greek Catholic records for Zborov or Dubovica, so would have to
have been recorded in Roman Catholic records.

But in the R. Catholic-Bardejov-Zborov records there is no Josef Rubacky
recorded as born 19 Jul 1868, or in all of 1868.  In R.
Catholic-Sabinov-Dubavica records there is no Anna Superka recorded as born 26
Jul 1880, or in all of 1880.

Using the name search for Josef Rubacky, there are hits for Zborov, some even
with mother's name Maria Matusovits, but none for your date.  I think the
closest date was in 1872.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnqadam@...> wrote:
>
> >>> My Great-Grandfather Josef Rubacky was born on 19 Jul 1868 in
Zborov,Saris,Slovakia was the son of Josef Rubaczky and Maria Matusovits. <<<
>
> Have you researched the following ONLINE RC church records?
>
> Inv. c. 1532
> Krsty 1861-1872
>
>
> >>> My Great-Grandmother Anna Superka was born on 26 July 1880 in Dubovica,
Slovakia was the daughter of John Superka and Anna Mortonak. <<<
>
> Inv. c. 237
> Krsty 1853-1879
> Man�elstv� 1853-1886
> Krsty 1879-1886
>

Brenda,

  We may need to look more closely at more recent records if we can't determine
what town that is on his draft registration.
  I'm assuming the census records are in the same general area of W. PA?  I can
find a couple death references of different Theodore MIKLISHs...but what was the
spelling and locations for the previous generations?

TOM

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "bassfantastic" <breny@...> wrote:
>
> This is my deceased husband's grandfather.  There are no living relatives
available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some information
on his WW1 Draft Registration.
>
> Please view this at my web page:  http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg
>
> It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria  to me.  On the 1910 US Census he
is living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and they
actually have Russian as the language they speak.  The last name is currently
Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as Micklish, Miklus,
Micklos, Miklos.  Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest I find him in the US
is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.
>
> I'm trying to research this for my daughter.
>
> Any help is apprecated.
>
> Brenda
>

The ending of the town's name is ~ocs and not ois. The accent that looks
like the dot over the i should be over the o.



On 5 December 2012 17:23, t.salony <t.salony@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Brenda,
>
> We may need to look more closely at more recent records if we can't
> determine what town that is on his draft registration.
> I'm assuming the census records are in the same general area of W. PA? I
> can find a couple death references of different Theodore MIKLISHs...but
> what was the spelling and locations for the previous generations?
>
> TOM
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "bassfantastic" <breny@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is my deceased husband's grandfather. There are no living relatives
> available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found some
> information on his WW1 Draft Registration.
> >
> > Please view this at my web page: http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg
> >
> > It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US Census
> he is living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and
> they actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last name is
> currently Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as
> Micklish, Miklus, Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest
> I find him in the US is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.
> >
> > I'm trying to research this for my daughter.
> >
> > Any help is apprecated.
> >
> > Brenda
> >
>
>
>


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@Tom
Also MIKLISH should be MIKLICS if we are to follow Hungarian spelling
conventions. I've found nothing yet on the LDS website.

Peter M


On 5 December 2012 17:54, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:

> The ending of the town's name is ~ocs and not ois. The accent that looks
> like the dot over the i should be over the o.
>
>
>
>
> On 5 December 2012 17:23, t.salony <t.salony@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Brenda,
>>
>> We may need to look more closely at more recent records if we can't
>> determine what town that is on his draft registration.
>> I'm assuming the census records are in the same general area of W. PA? I
>> can find a couple death references of different Theodore MIKLISHs...but
>> what was the spelling and locations for the previous generations?
>>
>> TOM
>>
>>
>> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "bassfantastic" <breny@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > This is my deceased husband's grandfather. There are no living
>> relatives available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found
>> some information on his WW1 Draft Registration.
>> >
>> > Please view this at my web page: http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg
>> >
>> > It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US Census
>> he is living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and
>> they actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last name is
>> currently Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as
>> Micklish, Miklus, Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest
>> I find him in the US is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to research this for my daughter.
>> >
>> > Any help is apprecated.
>> >
>> > Brenda
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Can you give some sources for the statement 2? I have never heard about it.

Thanks

Ladislav
-----Original Message-----
From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
Sender: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:43:53
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com<SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member

1. 1929 was a typo

2. "I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was
long before WWII"

________________________________
  From: Ladislav Rosival <lacoros@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: [S-R] New Member


 
Hallo Vilo,

I think you have some typos in your e-mail.

1. The first Slovak Republic was founded in 1939 and not 1929.

2. The expulsion of Germans form Czechoslovakia was after the WWII in 1945. You
can read about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#Czechoslova\
kia

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia\
_during_and_after_World_War_II

I am not sure about the „Point of view“ of this articles, the point of view
form German writers is definitively diffrent than of Czech writers.

There were expulsed also Germans from Slovakia, mostly is talking only about
germans frome Sudetenland. It is easy to understand why – in Sudetenland there
were about 3.000.000 Germans, in whole Slovakia about 150.000.

Ladislav

From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:10 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member

Cynthia,

"not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to
Germany after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of
the holocaust (real or not) evicted the German colonists out of the
country."

In 1929, the first Slovak Republic was founded.  The first Prime Minister was
Monsignor Jozef Tiso:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29

I have never heard of German colonists arriving in Slovakia nor of evictions of
"German colonists" during WWII. There were historic towns colonized by Germans,
Hungarian and Rusin Towns.

From where did you get information on this??

I do know that Czechoslovakia evicted Germans from Sudetenland but this was long
before WWII.

I do know many people who made errors in immigration records because Records in
Ellis Island listed the immigrants arriving before the fall of the Austria
Hungary monarchy, were listed as German, (Austrian), or Hungarian.  Our Slovak
ancestors were often , (at least), bi-lingual, (Slovak, Hungarian or German),
and very often tri-lingual, (All three).

In your message following this, are you referring to the Reformation and
Counter-Reformation??

I do not know if you have contacted people there but  here is the site for the
Lutheran University in Bratislava:

http://wmltblog.org/2012/11/slovakia-the-evangelical-lutheran-church-of-the-augs\
burg-confession-2/

Z Bohom,

Vilo

________________________________
From: leporis1 <leporis1@... <mailto:leporis1%40yahoo.com> >
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] New Member

Hi,

not trying to be a hater but probably her parents were thrown back to Germany
after WWII. This is common knowledge the Slovaks in disgust of the holocaust
(real or not) evicted the German colonist out of the country. Not sure when
Nimitz brought to Texas to join other German farmers but very often I see
Germans that claim ancestry in SR and CZ Rep. here in Texas. Germans colonist
were always subject to suspicion. Since they were sent back to a particular
village in Germany I would look there as well. Bingen, Germany.

LLeporis

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia, I'm interested as well. How does one get kicked out of a
country? :) Do tell!
>
> Welcome!
> Debbie
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> ,
htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Cynthia and welcome.
> > When you get a chance, you must tell your story about them getting kicked
> > out! It wasn't the Benes Decree was it?
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> >
> > On 30 November 2012 01:14, Cynthia Heyman <cynthia@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, I just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. My name
is
> > > Cynthia Heyman, currently living in Salt Lake City, Utah.
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in Limbach, Slovakia, in 1939. I have her Mother's and
> > > Grandmother's names, but not much more than that, and I'm interested in
> > > finding out more about our ancestry. They were kicked out of Slovakia in
> > > the early 1940s and returned to live in Bingen, Germany, where my mom grew
> > > up. She moved to the USA in the 1960s.
> > >
> > > My Father is Danish and I'm also enjoying researching his ancestry as
well.
> > >
> > > Nice to 'meet' everyone.
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > > http://tiptail.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/cynthiablue
> > > http://www.youtube.com/ColliesNFarmdogs
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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John & Peter,

Neither of you has given a hint as to whether or not you have researced the
German sources for information or not. If not I would certainly suggest googling
for documents they have assembled and published. Quite a few of their websites
are in German, but some have English language mirrors.The expellees
(vertriebenen) are dominated by the Sudeten, but there are sections for the
Zipser and Hauerlander and Pressburger sections, as well as Bukovina and other
small areas.

I ave seen some maps published on villages enumerating each house and
identifying the former owner. Over the decades they have published many books,
tomes and white papers on the experiences from the suffering to the individual
village stories. I have no need for the detail myself, so I have not
investigated it in depth.

For anyone not familiar with this, I again suggest Google and key words
vertiebene, also preceeded by zipser , hauerland / hauer, and perhaps slowakei
or ungarn. Also Bund der Vertriebenen, Vertreibung, Verband der
Landsmannschaften, Bund der Vertriebenen. In Germany there is also the Center
against Expulsion, Bund der Vertriebenen  that may have information or be able
to guide you on new sources.  Look on their pages for a British flag or
clickable (english) version. Much of their materi�l is for sale.

They have been meeting in Nurenberg on Easter Monday since the early 1950's, and
there should be an exhausting supply of documents there. The Vertriebenen have
been a notable political power in West German politics and have carried their
share of internal German controversy over the years.

I am glad to see the two of you agree with me that genealogy belongs on this
forum and politics elsewhere.  When you find good sources of information, of
course, do share.

As for assimilation, in my own family I would like to determine if the southern
(Lozin) side were Rusyn and assimilated since the 1800/1806 census.  But that is
my homework.

> > Ron said "try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are
many controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to
hash these out!"

Have you researched any of the resources I outlined above?

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, John Zimmerman <Hwedhlor@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Well said!  Any events that caused people to change their economic, political
or religious status, change their place of residence, or that resulted in their
imprisonment or death are very significant from a genealogical point of view. 
Additionally the reasons for such events often impact what records we seek and
where we seek them, and are therefore also of genealogical importance.  Ignoring
such events and their causes only handicaps our research, and discussions about
them definitely belong in this forum!
>
> John Zimmerman
> Mesa, AZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
> On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:
>
> > Ron said "try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are
> > many controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum
> > to hash these out!"
> >
> > This IS a genealogic forum and the Benes Decree is vital! It may be a taboo
> > subject here, but it's importance for later genealogical work is very
> > significant. We tend not to discuss this and almost ignoring those
> > of Slovak/Rusyn/Bohemian/Moravian/German/Ukrainian and Galacian ancestry
> > (hundreds of thousands) who are now fully assimilated in Hungarian ethnic
> > towns and villages along the southern strip. Millions of people were
> > displaced throughout the whole of Czechoslovakia because of the Benes
> > decree.
> >
> > 2011 - the darker the green the more 'ethnic' Hungarians:
> > http://www.foruminst.sk/images/album/129/2-392-33729-129-orig.jpg That is a
> > significant slab of Slovakia where the ethnic border does not match the
> > political one. A map of German displacement would be extremely valuable.
> >
> > I understand fully that political discussions are verboten, but sooner or
> > later those Benes Decree lists will become (some are already) public
> > domain. The ones I've seen show which families were forced to move.
> > Documentary evidence is being collected as we speak showing adoption of
> > Czechoslovak citizenship, travelling papers, resettlement addresses and
> > other vital information. Being 2012, the parents of those who were evicted
> > are passing on, so this knowledge becomes vital. Even some Slovaks were
> > deported!
> > Here's a memorial plaque of those families that were displaced by the Benes
> > Decree:
> >
http://www.foruminst.sk/en/66/visual_bilingualism/0/research_on_usage_of_hungari\
an_language_in_southern_slovakia/1/5210/deportees_memorial_plaque
> > (note that previous 'face on' images of this were removed by the website to
> > protect the identities of those listed)
> >
> > And it's not just Slovakia, but significant Hungarian, Serbian and Romanian
> > displacements as well, all authorized and carried out by their respective
> > post WW2 governments.
> > In fact it is impossible to do later - post WW1 and WW2 genealogical work
> > without mentioning (non-jewish) genocide, atrocities and other forms of
> > cleansing in some of these places. Millions were displaced or killed
> > including ethnic Slovaks and Rusyns - and as further academic research
> > continues past the 50 year moratorium, more of this will come to light.
> >
> > I agree that we should concentrate on genealogy, but referral to the above
> > events should not be dismissed out of hand as a cause for death and
> > displacement.
> >
> > Peter M.
> >
> > On 5 December 2012 10:49, Ron <amiak27@...> wrote:
> >
> > > try to keep it as close to genealogical as possible. There are many
> > > controversial stories to be learned above, and this is NOT the forum to
> > > hash these out!
> >
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Brenda said "
It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US Census he
is living with a lot of families that all say they are from Austria and
they actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last name is
currently Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as
Micklish, Miklus, Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest
I find him in the US is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings."

I'll put this out there that Peat Miklish was probably from Austria
controlled Galacia,parts of which were in a tug of war with Poland and
Russia. The 1910 Census that I can find is for the MKULIS family which is a
Lithuanian spelling and most probably they spoke Russian. The
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was huge, but broke apart and was split
bewteen Austria, Prussia and the Russian Empire. The 'Zenplinski' region
could be the old Zemplin county though, which did border Poland during the
time of his and parent's birth as well as present day Ukraine.
There's no village resembling Nutznocs in either Radix, fallingrain, no
'Zenplinski' and current scanned records have pretty much nothing on
Miklish Mkulis or variants.
I'm not sure if there is any online source for Gallacia for the time and
without a birthplace it's doubly hard to work this out.

Peter (middle name is Miklos) M.


On 5 December 2012 18:06, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:

> @Tom
> Also MIKLISH should be MIKLICS if we are to follow Hungarian spelling
> conventions. I've found nothing yet on the LDS website.
>
> Peter M
>
>
>
> On 5 December 2012 17:54, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:
>
>> The ending of the town's name is ~ocs and not ois. The accent that looks
>> like the dot over the i should be over the o.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 December 2012 17:23, t.salony <t.salony@...> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Brenda,
>>>
>>> We may need to look more closely at more recent records if we can't
>>> determine what town that is on his draft registration.
>>> I'm assuming the census records are in the same general area of W. PA? I
>>> can find a couple death references of different Theodore MIKLISHs...but
>>> what was the spelling and locations for the previous generations?
>>>
>>> TOM
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "bassfantastic" <breny@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This is my deceased husband's grandfather. There are no living
>>> relatives available to ask where exactly they came from but I have found
>>> some information on his WW1 Draft Registration.
>>> >
>>> > Please view this at my web page: http://www.breny.com/pics/ww1_1.jpg
>>> >
>>> > It looks like Nutsnois Zenplinski, Austria to me. On the 1910 US
>>> Census he is living with a lot of families that all say they are from
>>> Austria and they actually have Russian as the language they speak. The last
>>> name is currently Miklish, but I've seen lots of variations on that such as
>>> Micklish, Miklus, Micklos, Miklos. Peter was born in 1892 and the earliest
>>> I find him in the US is the 1910 Census with his parents and siblings.
>>> >
>>> > I'm trying to research this for my daughter.
>>> >
>>> > Any help is apprecated.
>>> >
>>> > Brenda
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Of these, ONE was in Zemplen Megye.

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
>
> In the 1995 Slovak Census there were 22 listings for Miklic in 4 locations.
They are are in eastern Slovakia.
> Priezvisko MIKLIČ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 22×, celkový
počet lokalít: 4, v lokalitách:
> PREŠOV, okr. PREŠOV �" 13×;
> ROŽŇAVA, okr. ROŽŇAVA �" 4×;
> NIŽNÁ ŠEBASTOVÁ (obec PREŠOV), okr. PREŠOV �" 3×;
> STROPKOV, okr. SVIDNÍK (od r. 1996 STROPKOV) �" 2×;