On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:55 AM, <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> Dear Pat, Thanks for the information, am thankful for any new tip or hint
> to research  my Slovakian family.  But, sorry, when I licked on the url,
> all I got was one elongated white strip of paper with Slovakian
> information??   Vera
>
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> Hello,
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> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the SLOVAK-ROOTS
> group.
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> File : /Mike Jan.jpg
> Uploaded by : patskanovo <ddhalusker@...>
> Description : Michal son of Jan?
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> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/files/Mike%20Jan.jpg
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> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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> Regards,
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> patskanovo <ddhalusker@...>
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Ok now i see the file, so the translation is: Pilat Mihaly (g.kat), the  son
of Pilat Janos senior, living in Remenye. The word leg�ny cann mean in this
context that this Mih�ly is not married yet. (I am not sure for 100 % - only
for 90 %).



Ladislav



From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of patskanovo
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:12 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Hungarian Translation






The jury has returned a verdict...

He is elder son of Janos (idosebnek legeny fia Janos).

Thanks,

Dennis

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
, "patskanovo" <ddhalusker@...>
wrote:
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> That is what one on-line Hungarian dictionary was trying to complete
for me.....
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> Dennis
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> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
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> > From: "patskanovo" ddhalusker@
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:53am
> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: [S-R] Hungarian Translation
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> > Ahoj Group,
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> > I have searched all available sources and Hungarian to English
> > dictionaries for a translation of what I beleive is the Hungarian
word
> > "idosebnek" or possibly "ulosebnek"
> >
> > Following the letter "O" in this word is a character that seems to
be an
> > "S" but is written unlike other examples given....
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> > I believe I am reading Pilat Mihaly (GC) Pilat Janos, occupation ?
son
> > of and then Remeniny.
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> > I will post this to our files if someone would be so kind as to take
a
> > crack at this...
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> > Thanks all,
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> > Dennis
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>>> When my Dad , was about 5-6 years old, his mother  Maria Timko Pavlisin
Beley, packed up and went back to Slovakia. <<<

In the RC records for Nizny Hrusov, there is a scant bit of information on page
447/658 that PAULISIN RC lived in Khmezo = Dlhe Klcovo.

IF we have the "right" Maria TIMKO, her birth is in the Nizny Hrusov RC records
20 August 1847 on page 81/672 and she is from Nemtelen, which I am unable to
locate. If it is a nearby village, which one? OR, does is mean that both parents
are from Dlhe Klcovo? Greater minds will need to be brought to bear on this
question.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11566-34408-1?cc=1554443&wc=MMYV-5M\
V:n1204916007

We need some help!  We have been looking for a ship record for a relative since
2006 with no luck.  We recently received a nationalization record that givse a
date of arrival in New York, but still we have not find the record.  The person
was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe
that his memory should be reliable.  Any ideas?

INFORMATION:
NAME:  Alexander Kozub
BIRTH:  14 September 1860 in Hungary
ARRIVAL:  New York 24th November 1887
DATE OF RECORD:  28 October 1893

Do you know where he came from?

I have 3 Kozub listings in the Slovak Pride data base - e mail me directly if
you would like contact info

helene    helenezx@...

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John,
Greatly,  appreicate very much, your precious time in researching info on
my BELEY family.  I would like to get hints and helps in locating my Kudra,
Hospodar, Sabo families.  They are the ones I have no up to date knowledge
of any  of them, with that surname  Given a gift to the #1 genalogy site,
nothing was obtained concerning them.
Blessings,  Vera

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:57 AM, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

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> >>> When my Dad , was about 5-6 years old, his mother Maria Timko Pavlisin
> Beley, packed up and went back to Slovakia. <<<
>
> In the RC records for Nizny Hrusov, there is a scant bit of information on
> page 447/658 that PAULISIN RC lived in Khmezo = Dlhe Klcovo.
>
> IF we have the "right" Maria TIMKO, her birth is in the Nizny Hrusov RC
> records 20 August 1847 on page 81/672 and she is from Nemtelen, which I am
> unable to locate. If it is a nearby village, which one? OR, does is mean
> that both parents are from Dlhe Klcovo? Greater minds will need to be
> brought to bear on this question.
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11566-34408-1?cc=1554443&wc=MMYV-5M\
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Ancestry. com had the following. The arrival dates are way off. He was with a
group arriving from Galicia.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Alexander Kozub
             Name: Alexander Kozub
             Arrival Date: 12 May 1904
             Birth Year: abt 1860
             Age: 44
             Gender: Male
             Ethnicity/Race-
             /Nationality: Ruthenian (Russniak) (Ruthenian)
             Port of Departure: Bremen
             Port of Arrival: New York, New York
             Ship Name: Friedrich Der Grosse
             Search Ship Database: Search the Friedrich Der Grosse in the
'Passenger Ships and Images' database



From: jtgen96
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:41 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Ship Record


We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a relative since
2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization record that givse a
date of arrival in New York, but still we have not find the record. The person
was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe
that his memory should be reliable. Any ideas?

INFORMATION:
NAME: Alexander Kozub
BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893





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Ellis Island didn’t open until 1892. That means an 1887 arrival would have to
be through Castle Gardens. A name search came up with what I sent previously. I
looked at all ships arriving during November, 1887 in New York, there were no
arrivals on November 24th.

With a discrepancy from 1887 by word of mouth to 1904 in the records, you may
have to come up with some other records where Alexander listed his arrival.

From: jtgen96
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:41 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Ship Record


We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a relative since
2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization record that givse a
date of arrival in New York, but still we have not find the record. The person
was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe
that his memory should be reliable. Any ideas?

INFORMATION:
NAME: Alexander Kozub
BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893





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>>> I would like to get hints and helps in locating my Kudra, Hospodar, Sabo
families.  <<<

Surname(s) alone won't do. We need a village name or something that points to a
village.

I wouldn't rule this record out as not being your relative because of the
arrival date nor take it to mean that he first arrived in 1904 vs 1887.  Many
people travelled back and forth between the US and "Hungary" - this person was
likely returning from a visit and was traveling with others.  There appears to
be something written in the column "whether before in the US". It looks like
1900-02? and I can't make out the place, but looks like somewhere in Pa.  I also
can't make out the village name in Galicia.

I don't know much about Galicia/ Ruthenia other than this area was part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire for a while.

There were ships that arrived in 1886 on 24 Nov, but I didn't see him listed
when I did a quick scan.  I've found that many of my relatives were off a bit on
the exact date. Sometimes it was the month, the day or the year.

I'd encourage you to look at the 1904 arrival record and get what you can off of
it and keep looking for earlier arrival(s) - and to look at the manifests
themselves instead of the indexes (many of the indexes spell my family's names
incorrectly).  The good thing about an 1887ish arrival is that there are fewer
names on the manifests to look through.

Erin




Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:58 AM, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:

> Ancestry. com had the following. The arrival dates are way off. He was with a
group arriving from Galicia.
> New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Alexander Kozub
> Name: Alexander Kozub
> Arrival Date: 12 May 1904
> Birth Year: abt 1860
> Age: 44
> Gender: Male
> Ethnicity/Race-
> /Nationality: Ruthenian (Russniak) (Ruthenian)
> Port of Departure: Bremen
> Port of Arrival: New York, New York
> Ship Name: Friedrich Der Grosse
> Search Ship Database: Search the Friedrich Der Grosse in the 'Passenger Ships
and Images' database
>
>
> From: jtgen96
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:41 AM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-R] Ship Record
>
> We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a relative since
2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization record that givse a
date of arrival in New York, but still we have not find the record. The person
was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe
that his memory should be reliable. Any ideas?
>
> INFORMATION:
> NAME: Alexander Kozub
> BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
> ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
> DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893
>
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I really am new at all of this so please bear with me. I have found records on
the Ellis Island site but where do I look for ships' manifests for arrivals in
1889 or back as far as 1860?
Thanks
Eileen

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I looked a the US Censuses from 1900 to 1930, Alexander Kozub gave his
immigration year as 1887. Although he did change his nationality to Austrian and
birthplace Austria.

On the Ship’s Manifest Alexander listed his nationality as Ruthenian and
birthplace as Galicia. Galica was a district in southeastern Poland that
bordered Slovakia. The Ruthenians were in what is modern Slovakia, Poland and
the Ukraine.

Having had relatives that went back an forth I am not surprised that Alexander
was returning in 1904. The only problem is that he says he was in the US from
1900 to 1902. We have no information on where he was prior to 1900.

If Alexander did arrive in 1887 then searching the 1886 Manifests would be a
“shot in the dark”. I agree that people often got confused about their
arrival dates. It was stated that Alexander was a GK cantor. So he was educated
and should have been less likely to be confused.

From: Erin Valdes
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:10 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Ship Record


I wouldn't rule this record out as not being your relative because of the
arrival date nor take it to mean that he first arrived in 1904 vs 1887. Many
people travelled back and forth between the US and "Hungary" - this person was
likely returning from a visit and was traveling with others. There appears to be
something written in the column "whether before in the US". It looks like
1900-02? and I can't make out the place, but looks like somewhere in Pa. I also
can't make out the village name in Galicia.

I don't know much about Galicia/ Ruthenia other than this area was part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire for a while.

There were ships that arrived in 1886 on 24 Nov, but I didn't see him listed
when I did a quick scan. I've found that many of my relatives were off a bit on
the exact date. Sometimes it was the month, the day or the year.

I'd encourage you to look at the 1904 arrival record and get what you can off of
it and keep looking for earlier arrival(s) - and to look at the manifests
themselves instead of the indexes (many of the indexes spell my family's names
incorrectly). The good thing about an 1887ish arrival is that there are fewer
names on the manifests to look through.

Erin

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:58 AM, "MGMojher" <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net> wrote:

> Ancestry. com had the following. The arrival dates are way off. He was with a
group arriving from Galicia.
> New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Alexander Kozub
> Name: Alexander Kozub
> Arrival Date: 12 May 1904
> Birth Year: abt 1860
> Age: 44
> Gender: Male
> Ethnicity/Race-
> /Nationality: Ruthenian (Russniak) (Ruthenian)
> Port of Departure: Bremen
> Port of Arrival: New York, New York
> Ship Name: Friedrich Der Grosse
> Search Ship Database: Search the Friedrich Der Grosse in the 'Passenger Ships
and Images' database
>
>
> From: jtgen96
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:41 AM
> To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-R] Ship Record
>
> We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a relative since
2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization record that givse a
date of arrival in New York, but still we have not find the record. The person
was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe
that his memory should be reliable. Any ideas?
>
> INFORMATION:
> NAME: Alexander Kozub
> BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
> ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
> DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893
>
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>>>  There appears to be something written in the column "whether before in the
US". It looks like 1900-02? and I can't make out the place, but looks like
somewhere in Pa.  I also can't make out the village name in Galicia.

> Erin
----------------------
  Erin,
  I think you're correct with the 1900-1902,showing he had been in Pittsburg, Pa.
His final destination is an acquaintance in Egypt, Pa. There is an Egypt in
Lehigh County, north of Allentown, and also one in Clearfield County, both in
PA.

  My feeling is that it's ALMOST an exercise in futility , unless and until the
original poster provides "the rest of the story", instead of merely saying an
arrival manifest hasn't been found in all the years of searching.

TOM

JohnQ,
'Nemtelen' has a lot of meanings and in this case probably means homeless,
destitute etc.. It is not a town/village name.
As far as I can make out, the village name is Koleshos or Koleskos-Szarmezo
or something similar. Szarmezo means 'muddy fields'. Not sure about the
first word.

Peter M

On 2 October 2012 23:57, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

> **
>
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> >>> When my Dad , was about 5-6 years old, his mother Maria Timko Pavlisin
> Beley, packed up and went back to Slovakia. <<<
>
> In the RC records for Nizny Hrusov, there is a scant bit of information on
> page 447/658 that PAULISIN RC lived in Khmezo = Dlhe Klcovo.
>
> IF we have the "right" Maria TIMKO, her birth is in the Nizny Hrusov RC
> records 20 August 1847 on page 81/672 and she is from Nemtelen, which I am
> unable to locate. If it is a nearby village, which one? OR, does is mean
> that both parents are from Dlhe Klcovo? Greater minds will need to be
> brought to bear on this question.
>
>
>
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11566-34408-1?cc=1554443&wc=MMYV-5M\
V:n1204916007
>
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>


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John,

I believe that I did inform the site , the known town is Micholovce, SK.
That is the only town meniton in my  family history.  Vera

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

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> >>> I would like to get hints and helps in locating my Kudra, Hospodar,
> Sabo families. <<<
>
> Surname(s) alone won't do. We need a village name or something that points
> to a village.
>
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>


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Eileen,
     Ellis Island opened in 1892. Prior to that was Castle Gardens. You would
need to look at those records. You have to be a member of Ancestry.com to view
them. Or reply with your search information and I will give a look.

From: Eileen Williams
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:35 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?


I really am new at all of this so please bear with me. I have found records on
the Ellis Island site but where do I look for ships' manifests for arrivals in
1889 or back as far as 1860?
Thanks
Eileen

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Here is a link to the free Castle Garden database -
 
http://www.castlegarden.org/

From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

 
Eileen,
Ellis Island opened in 1892. Prior to that was Castle Gardens. You would need to
look at those records. You have to be a member of Ancestry.com to view them. Or
reply with your search information and I will give a look.

From: Eileen Williams
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:35 PM
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

I really am new at all of this so please bear with me. I have found records on
the Ellis Island site but where do I look for ships' manifests for arrivals in
1889 or back as far as 1860?
Thanks
Eileen

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Thanks to both of you for this information. I do belong to Ancestry.com but I
never heard of Castle Garden. I can't wait to check it out. This group is
invaluable. I am so glad I found it!
Eileen

From: Will John <will.john@...>
To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

 
Here is a link to the free Castle Garden database -
 
http://www.castlegarden.org/

From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

 
Eileen,
Ellis Island opened in 1892. Prior to that was Castle Gardens. You would need to
look at those records. You have to be a member of Ancestry.com to view them. Or
reply with your search information and I will give a look.

From: Eileen Williams
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:35 PM
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

I really am new at all of this so please bear with me. I have found records on
the Ellis Island site but where do I look for ships' manifests for arrivals in
1889 or back as far as 1860?
Thanks
Eileen

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Am I missing something?  It says that it is free, but then says that you have
to have a membership after you sign up for a free trial.    Carol

--- On Tue, 10/2/12, Will John <will.john@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?
To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 9:21 PM



 Here is a link to the free Castle Garden database -
 
http://www.castlegarden.org/

From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

 
Eileen,
Ellis Island opened in 1892. Prior to that was Castle Gardens. You would need to
look at those records. You have to be a member of Ancestry.com to view them. Or
reply with your search information and I will give a look.

From: Eileen Williams
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:35 PM
To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Where can you find ships'records?

I really am new at all of this so please bear with me. I have found records on
the Ellis Island site but where do I look for ships' manifests for arrivals in
1889 or back as far as 1860?
Thanks
Eileen

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Are you using the Morse front end for ship's records? There are both paid and
free access options offered at:

http://www.stevemorse.org/

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Carol <carol.yoder@...> wrote:
>
> Am I missing something?  It says that it is free, but then says that you have
to have a membership after you sign up for a free trial.    Carol

I was reading about the ship record for Alexander Kozub, and the city in
Pennsylvania that he traveled to previously is Egypt, Pennsylvania.� It is in
Lehigh County, about 7 miles north of Allentown.� Sue Eppley Landrith

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:37 PM, MGMojher wrote:

> I looked a the US Censuses from 1900 to 1930, Alexander Kozub gave his
immigration year as 1887. Although he did change his nationality to Austrian and
birthplace Austria.

I would be careful about assuming that Kozub changed his reported nationality,
for two reasons. First, those census records do not indicate who the informant
was; there's no way to tell if Kozub himself supplied that info, or another
family member, or a neighbor. Second, the census takers actually had rules about
how to report nationality and birthplace; it's possible that "Austria" was the
accurate designation (for US census records) for anywhere in the
Austro-Hungarian empire before WW I. One would have to look up the enumerator
instructions for the particular census to find out.

Julie Michutka
jmm@...

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Julie,

  Here's a link to Enumerator Instructions:
http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml

  But I think the bigger problem is that we really have no idea how diligent any
particular enumerator was, nor how well the informant providing the answers was
able to understand the question.

  And still, we don't actually know if the census/manifest/etc. etc. records we
call all look at are from the ancestor "jtgen96" asked about.
------------------------------------------------------

  jt,

  There could be various bits of information that might lead to your ancestor's
passenger manifest, since however you have been looking since 2006 has not lead
to success.
  You said " We recently received a nationalization record that givse a
date of arrival in New York, but still we have not find the record."
  Assuming you mean naturalization record, exactly which have you received, and
is it available to see online? Or is the following quote the only "record" you
have? It looks like a format used in some index of records.
INFORMATION:
NAME: Alexander Kozub
BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 18

  Hope you can respond. I, like many here, enjoy the hunt.

TOM

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Julie Michutka <jmm@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:37 PM, MGMojher wrote:
>
> > I looked a the US Censuses from 1900 to 1930, Alexander Kozub gave his
immigration year as 1887. Although he did change his nationality to Austrian and
birthplace Austria.
>
> I would be careful about assuming that Kozub changed his reported nationality,
for two reasons. First, those census records do not indicate who the informant
was; there's no way to tell if Kozub himself supplied that info, or another
family member, or a neighbor. Second, the census takers actually had rules about
how to report nationality and birthplace; it's possible that "Austria" was the
accurate designation (for US census records) for anywhere in the
Austro-Hungarian empire before WW I. One would have to look up the enumerator
instructions for the particular census to find out.
>
> Julie Michutka
> jmm@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Julie,
     Thanks for pointing out the issue with census records.
     My intent was to show Alexander Kozub was consistent when reporting when he
arrived.

From: Julie Michutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:03 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: place of birth, was Re: [S-R] Ship Record



On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:37 PM, MGMojher wrote:

> I looked a the US Censuses from 1900 to 1930, Alexander Kozub gave his
immigration year as 1887. Although he did change his nationality to Austrian and
birthplace Austria.

I would be careful about assuming that Kozub changed his reported nationality,
for two reasons. First, those census records do not indicate who the informant
was; there's no way to tell if Kozub himself supplied that info, or another
family member, or a neighbor. Second, the census takers actually had rules about
how to report nationality and birthplace; it's possible that "Austria" was the
accurate designation (for US census records) for anywhere in the
Austro-Hungarian empire before WW I. One would have to look up the enumerator
instructions for the particular census to find out.

Julie Michutka
mailto:jmm%40pathbridge.net

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There's a Francis Kozub teaching at Brockport University
in New York...
send him an email, the address is on the website.
dave

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
>
> Julie,
>     Thanks for pointing out the issue with census records.
>     My intent was to show Alexander Kozub was consistent when reporting when
he arrived.
>
> From: Julie Michutka
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:03 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: place of birth, was Re: [S-R] Ship Record
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:37 PM, MGMojher wrote:
>
> > I looked a the US Censuses from 1900 to 1930, Alexander Kozub gave his
immigration year as 1887. Although he did change his nationality to Austrian and
birthplace Austria.
>
> I would be careful about assuming that Kozub changed his reported nationality,
for two reasons. First, those census records do not indicate who the informant
was; there's no way to tell if Kozub himself supplied that info, or another
family member, or a neighbor. Second, the census takers actually had rules about
how to report nationality and birthplace; it's possible that "Austria" was the
accurate designation (for US census records) for anywhere in the
Austro-Hungarian empire before WW I. One would have to look up the enumerator
instructions for the particular census to find out.
>
> Julie Michutka
> mailto:jmm%40pathbridge.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Do you have his certificate of Arrival?

Do you have his Declaration of Intention?

Do you have his Petition for Naturalization?

What record do you have?

These records can span many years......sometimes the spelling of the
name and information can change....I would think, but am just guessing
he would have come under the name of Elic,Alec or even Sandor rather
than Alexander?

The name could be different on every document hindering one, even at the
time from finding his record of arrival...

Sandor was the Hungarian version and would most likely be the name on
official documents.

Dennis







--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jtgen96" <jtgen96@...> wrote:
>
> We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a
relative since 2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization
record that givse a date of arrival in New York, but still we have not
find the record. The person was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic
cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe that his memory should be
reliable. Any ideas?
>
> INFORMATION:
> NAME: Alexander Kozub
> BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
> ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
> DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893
>

9  Kozsup, Sandor  Ragaly  31  1872  1903

Possible?

Dennis

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "patskanovo" <ddhalusker@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you have his certificate of Arrival?
>
> Do you have his Declaration of Intention?
>
> Do you have his Petition for Naturalization?
>
> What record do you have?
>
> These records can span many years......sometimes the spelling of the
> name and information can change....I would think, but am just guessing
> he would have come under the name of Elic,Alec or even Sandor rather
> than Alexander?
>
> The name could be different on every document hindering one, even at the
> time from finding his record of arrival...
>
> Sandor was the Hungarian version and would most likely be the name on
> official documents.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jtgen96" <jtgen96@> wrote:
> >
> > We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a
> relative since 2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization
> record that givse a date of arrival in New York, but still we have not
> find the record. The person was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic
> cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe that his memory should be
> reliable. Any ideas?
> >
> > INFORMATION:
> > NAME: Alexander Kozub
> > BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
> > ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
> > DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893
> >
>

Hello there,

I'm late to this party so here is my $0.02.

In the old days, before online databases, we had to use different tools to
get to the data.

For example,
http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm
To cross reference a steamer name or date of arrival.  I've often found
these dates to be off by plus or minus three years, worst case.

You might also want to look at Steve Morse's tools.  Another deductive
approach.  There are lots of tools, giving you lots of latitude to invent
a strategy appropriate to your research.
http://www.stevemorse.org/

Data until about 1902 was pretty sketchy.  How did you deduce that he was
from Hungary?   You MUST find the village of origin.  A very useful method
is to search for others with a similar surname and see what village they
came from and where they went.  Chances are good that many immigrants went
to a destination.  Use Steve's tools for this method.

More tips are here:
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/heritagequest.htm

http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/EIDB_Errors.htm

Lastly, I'd say that out of every 100 names I research, 25% of the
surnames have been transcribed incorrectly to the database.  When you
finally find the correct manifest, you say "ah-ha! how could they miss
that?"  It is what it is.  Be prepared to work with flawed data as this
group says.

Best Wishes,

Bill Tarkulich


On Fri, October 5, 2012 10:58 am, patskanovo wrote:
> 9  Kozsup, Sandor  Ragaly  31  1872  1903
>
> Possible?
>
> Dennis
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "patskanovo" <ddhalusker@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have his certificate of Arrival?
>>
>> Do you have his Declaration of Intention?
>>
>> Do you have his Petition for Naturalization?
>>
>> What record do you have?
>>
>> These records can span many years......sometimes the spelling of the
>> name and information can change....I would think, but am just guessing
>> he would have come under the name of Elic,Alec or even Sandor rather
>> than Alexander?
>>
>> The name could be different on every document hindering one, even at the
>> time from finding his record of arrival...
>>
>> Sandor was the Hungarian version and would most likely be the name on
>> official documents.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jtgen96" <jtgen96@> wrote:
>> >
>> > We need some help! We have been looking for a ship record for a
>> relative since 2006 with no luck. We recently received a nationalization
>> record that givse a date of arrival in New York, but still we have not
>> find the record. The person was an educated man -- a Greek Catholic
>> cantor from Slovakia -- so we believe that his memory should be
>> reliable. Any ideas?
>> >
>> > INFORMATION:
>> > NAME: Alexander Kozub
>> > BIRTH: 14 September 1860 in Hungary
>> > ARRIVAL: New York 24th November 1887
>> > DATE OF RECORD: 28 October 1893
>> >
>>
>
>
>
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What I intended to write was:

How do you know he came from Slovakia?

Bill

Hello! My name is Darah. Im in the US. I have been tracing my family history and
with the wonderful suggestions of Zlatica, I have traced it back to the name
Girgosko and Salamon in Palocsa- Plavec..... I was wondering if you by chance
may be able to help.... My Great Grandmother was Terezia Girgosko, Her father
was Jozef Girgosko and her mothers name was Zusanna Salamon. She had three
siblings that came to america, Josef- Anna and Jonas...im not sure about her
other siblings- Maria (9/26/1884), Istvan (11/29/1894). There are ties to
Bednar, Erzsebet Szervilla (Pekar) was the childrens god mother, and Velbarsszky
(? spelling).... Just taking a stab in the dark! Thank you for any help you can
give me!!!

spelling abnormalities:
Gergasko, Girgasko, Gergoska, Girgges, Girg, Girga

Salamon, Szalamon, Saloman, Szaloman

I am being extremely careful to fully back up every fact with source...and my
parents said my Anthropology/ Sociology degree would be no help in life! LOL!

I have a Maria Drabb as Jozef's mother and Zuzanna's, Joannes Girgosko as their
father.  I have a ....Velbarrcsky (sp? also Velbar, Velbavsky), Zuzanna as his
brothers and sisters mother, father Joannes....

I have a gedtree file i can upload... or it is available on ancestry. 
Relationships are getting very hard to decipher in the 1800's- everyone was
named Jozef, Anna, Joannes or Maria!!!

I am learning key Slovakian words, using fhl searches and the dictionaries. I
have two specific questions at this point (LOTS of questions actually!)

1) in the observations of a baptismal record it says:
      Ex?. 1907 (a 1 inside what looks like a 7) 3 haz.
I cannot find what this means....

2) A baptismal record says VARALOTT and VARA. as place.... is this  V�ralja,
Hungary?

Thank you!!!