I recently visited a grave site in Praha, Texas (mid way between Houston and San
Antonio) and I found many grave sites for Cerny.  Based upon that I assume there
were a number of Cerny familes in Fayette County, Texas.

Gilbert Bohuslav
=================================================

Rosamken@... wrote:

> From: Rosamken@...
>
> Dear Carol:
>
> No match in surnames...the one I am looking for is CERNY (aka  CERNEY), but
> what I did find interesting is that I was told conflicting stories about
> where my grandmother was born...some say Bohemia, Czechoslovakia...others say
> somewhere in Pennsylvannia.  Was there a large settlement in Penn of Slovak
> or Czech's.....I always see someone mention that their grandparents settled
> in Penn.??  any history on them in Penn. that you know of???
>
> Happy Hunting and God Bless
> Rosemary - Las Vegas
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In a message dated 8/1/99 12:06:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bohuslav@... writes:

<< I recently visited a grave site in Praha, Texas (mid way between Houston
and San
  Antonio) and I found many grave sites for Cerny.  Based upon that I assume
there
  were a number of Cerny familes in Fayette County, Texas.
   >>
Dear Gilbert:

From what I am finding, it appears to be a common name, although my searching
have produced dead ends...I have only been at this for a few months so I am
not ready to give up on it yet....make it more of a mystery..

Thank you for your response....good luck in your hunt.
God Bless
Rosemary - Las Vegas

Anyone know of a site that has a list of English/Slovak translations for the
various relationship terms such as aunt, uncle, cousins, etc., etc.   Thanks.

John

I need to look up some birth records for Litmanova, Slovakia for 1899-1902.
They are not on the LDS microfilms, which cover the period 1773-1898. Do I
need to go to the village parish to look these up, or are they perhaps also
in the Presov archives?

Nick Benyo

Ahoj!

Litmanova is not in the Presov Okres. You would have to go to either
Stara Lubovna or to Kezmarok or maybe even Poprad. I seem to remember
that Stara Lubovna got the records from Spis.

Presov has the records for Saris and Zemplin counties.

Happy hunting!

Ahoj

You may want to try the IT'S ALL RELATIVE SITE:   www.iarelative.org

They may have something.

Happy hunting!

You could also try Ladomirova which is even closer...

This is a bad url.

mark JESKO wrote:

> From: MJESKO@... (mark JESKO)
>
> Ahoj
>
> You may want to try the IT'S ALL RELATIVE SITE:   www.iarelative.org
>
> They may have something.
>
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Try this:

www.iarelative.com/slovakia.htm

Mark

The LDS films for Litmanova start with a header page with the label
"LITMANOVA -- PRESOV ARCHIVES" so I think the matrica are indeed in Presov.

The question is, would the Presov Archives have any years in addition to what
the LDS has filmed? Particularly the early 1900's?

Thanks for any guidance ---
Nick

The Presov Archieves have from the early 1950's and back but not
necessarily from every village.  There was a lot of destruction during
the WW2 and if the church was destroyed, the records probably went with
it.

OBTW, the Matrika is no longer in Presove but in the suburb of Nizny
Sebastiova. It's in the old Monastery on the right headed towards
Kapusany.

happy hunting!

That does it my friend. Thank you. Robert

mark JESKO wrote:

> From: MJESKO@... (mark JESKO)
>
> Try this:
>
> www.iarelative.com/slovakia.htm
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No problem!!

When I received some research from the Preshov Archives, they told me I would
have to go to the village level to get additional information on my father's
family.  There records only went to 1895 in this case, which is the same year
the LDS records ended.  They used the Hungarian census of 1869 to get my great
grandfather's records.  The cut off date may not be true for all areas.

John

At 08:44 PM 8/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: NBENYO@...
>
>Mark
>
>The LDS films for Litmanova start with a header page with the label
>"LITMANOVA -- PRESOV ARCHIVES" so I think the matrica are indeed in Presov.
>
>The question is, would the Presov Archives have any years in addition to what
>the LDS has filmed? Particularly the early 1900's?
>
>Thanks for any guidance ---
>Nick
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>>You may want to try the IT'S ALL RELATIVE SITE:   www.iarelative.org<<
From: Robert Leonard <rgleonard@...>
>>This is a bad url.<<

<A HREF="http://www.iarelative.com/search.htm">Searching in Slovakia</A>
http://www.iarelative.com/search.htm

I spoke the priest in my family's village and was told that the
Communist gov't moved all the records out of the village churches in the
1950's. This is why the Matrika was established. (maybe the only good
thing the communists did).

It is also possible that the records may have been destroyed; i.e. fire,
flood, war...

I have been to the Okresni Archive in Nizny Sebastiova, outside of
Presov on the highway to Kapusany. I found most of the records I was
looking for a village in Zemplin and 2 others in Saris.

I did look at the actually record books and not micro-film/fische. There
were books missing from my villages also.

Happy hunting!

A note of Interest.

The Presov Archives close at 2:30 PM.  We found out after we got there at
2:20.  A taxi will take you out there.Taxi drivers do not speak English so I
suggest you have the address written out.

Pat Rabich aka Rebic Benetis

I am new to the list.  My husband is Slovak and we recently started researching
his family.

His grandfather, Julius John MARKOTAN was born in Susany Czechoslovakia in 1924.
He came to Brownsville, Fayette Co. PA with his mother, Mary (KOVACH) MARKOTAN
and brother John in 1936.  His father, Andrew MARKOTAN, was already living in
Brownsville.  Andrew and Mary were born near Susany in Hrnciarske Zaluzany. 
Both places are located near Rimarska Sabata.  Andrew was an orphan and raised
in an orphanage.  On his social security application he lists his mother's name
as Kathryn MARKOTAN and father unknown.  I don't know if he was illegitimate or
he didn't know his father's name or his mother's maiden name.  Are there records
for orphanages in Slovakia around 1900?

My husband also has a couple of other Slovak ancestors.  George and Mary
(FRANKO) HORNICK/HORNAK.  They came to America around 1890 and settled near
Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland Co. PA.  Mary was born in 1864.  I don't know what
part of Slovakia they are from.

Also Michael and Anna (FARKASOVSKY) KOCIS.  They lived in Leisenring, Fayette
Co. PA.  Anna came to America in 1898.  According to her passenger list she was
born in Zempl Bam Slovakia.  I haven't been able to find it on any map old or
new.  It may be misspelled.  Anna didn't like it in America and returned to
Slovakia around 1910 - 1914.  She left 5 girls behind.  Her family sent enough
money for her and 1 child to return.  She took the only boy.  They were never
heard from again.  Are there any records of people who went back to Slovakia or
civilians who died in World War I?

Any information on these families would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Marlene Markotan
Morgantown, PA

Ahoj Marlene

There is a small town called ZEMPLINSKY BRANC located south of the city
of TREBISOV, in the county of ZEMPLIN in Eastern Slovakia.

This is the closest I could come to RAM.

The ZEMPL. part is a standard abbreviation for ZEMPLIN.

Hope this helps.

Do you know what time the archives open?

 

Marlene K. Markotan wrote:

> From: "Marlene K. Markotan" <mmarkotan@...>
>
> I am new to the list.  My husband is Slovak and we recently started
researching his family.
> ...
>
> My husband also has a couple of other Slovak ancestors.  George and Mary
(FRANKO) HORNICK/HORNAK.  They came to America around 1890 and settled near
Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland Co. PA.  Mary was born in 1864.  I don't know what
part of Slovakia they are from.
> .
>
> Any information on these families would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marlene Markotan

 

Marlene - There was a Hornak family in Mount Pleasant that belonged to the
Visitation Parish.  In fact One of the Hornak girls became a nun and recently
celebrated her 75th anniversary.   Anyway the Visitation records are quite good
in the early 1900 time frame but you will have to schedule a visit and know what
data you are looking for.  The early records identify what town in Slovakia
parents, wedding  couples or deceased came from.  I good search for births
deaths and marriages should get you a name of a town in Slovakia.  Oh, the
Visitation is a Slovak Parish.  I no longer live there but I still have family
in the area and visit only a couple times a year.
.

.
Regards

Andy Verostko

averostko@...

http://www.bealenet.com/~averostko/

.

Thanks for the information.  I went to the Visitation Cemetery for the first
time last Sunday.  I called the church Monday to get more information.  I
found several Hornick's  buried there.  A couple are definately related.  I
don't know who the rest are.  I have the name and phone number of a couple
of relatives who still live in Mount Pleasant.  We tried contacting one
several times, but no one answered.  I found who I think is Mary (Franko)
Hornick and her second husband, George Banks buried there.  I didn't find
George Hornick.  He was killed in some sort of coal mine accident sometime
after 1907.  I thought  maybe he doesn't have a stone, so I called the
church hoping they could find the record.  They said they would call be back
in 3-4 days.

I didn't realize you could search through Catholic church records yourself.
The Pittsburgh Diocese told me they are the only people who can search
through their records.  I got the impression the church doesn't keep a copy
of the records once they are sent to the Diocese Archival office.  I guess I
just figured the other Catholic Diocese have the same policy.

Thanks again,

Marlene Markotan


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Verostko <averostko@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] MARKOTAN-HORNAK-KOCIS-FARKASOVSKY


>From: Andy Verostko <averostko@...>
>
>
>
>Marlene K. Markotan wrote:
>
>> From: "Marlene K. Markotan" <mmarkotan@...>
>>
>> I am new to the list. My husband is Slovak and we recently started
researching his family.
>> ...
>>
>> My husband also has a couple of other Slovak ancestors. George and Mary
(FRANKO) HORNICK/HORNAK. They came to America around 1890 and settled near
Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland Co. PA. Mary was born in 1864. I don't know
what part of Slovakia they are from.
>> .
>>
>> Any information on these families would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marlene Markotan
>
>
>
>Marlene - There was a Hornak family in Mount Pleasant that belonged to the
>Visitation Parish. In fact One of the Hornak girls became a nun and
recently
>celebrated her 75th anniversary. Anyway the Visitation records are quite
good
>in the early 1900 time frame but you will have to schedule a visit and know
what
>data you are looking for. The early records identify what town in Slovakia
>parents, wedding couples or deceased came from. I good search for births
>deaths and marriages should get you a name of a town in Slovakia. Oh, the
>Visitation is a Slovak Parish. I no longer live there but I still have
family
>in the area and visit only a couple times a year.
>.
>
>.
>Regards
>
>Andy Verostko
>
>averostko@...
>
>http://www.bealenet.com/~averostko/
>
>.
>
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Thanks this should help.

Marlene

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To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] MARKOTAN-HORNAK-KOCIS-FARKASOVSKY


>From: MJESKO@... (mark JESKO)
>
>Ahoj Marlene
>
>There is a small town called ZEMPLINSKY BRANC located south of the city
>of TREBISOV, in the county of ZEMPLIN in Eastern Slovakia.
>
>This is the closest I could come to RAM.
>
>The ZEMPL. part is a standard abbreviation for ZEMPLIN.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
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In a message dated 8/4/99 10:32:32 AM, SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com writes:

<<Also Michael and Anna (FARKASOVSKY) KOCIS.  They lived in Leisenring,
Fayette Co. PA.  Anna came to America in 1898.  According to her passenger
list she was born in Zempl Bam Slovakia.>>

Marlene,

My husband's greatgrandmother was Anna Farkasovsky from Jamnik, Spis,
Slovakia. I'm sure his Anna and yours are not the same, but there are many
FARKASOVSKYs in Jamnik. It is just east of Spisska Nova Ves. The church was
in the next village, Odorin, so look for Odorin records in the LDS
microfilms. The film numbers are: 1739661 through 1739663 inclusive.

Dee Taylor
CPRAMUKA@...

Hello, I am new to this list and very much appreciate having the
opportunity to join.  Just this week I learned that my grandfather Elemer
URBAN was born in Svidnik, Slovakia, in l883.  He grew up in the old city
of Varrano, Zemplin County, Slovakia, and emigrated to the US in 1903 on
the Kaiser Wilhelm II.
His mother was Maria VIROSZTEK and his father ferencz URBAN.  His sister
was Valeria SZIGETI (nee URBAN) and other relatives were:  Dr. Gyozo
VIROSZTEK, Sandorne VIROSZTEK, Mrs Jozsef Balicza (nee VIROSZTEK).
If anyone has any information that relates to this positing, I would be
most happy to hear from you.  Thank you for your kind consideration. (I am
also searching my grandmother's family: GRALITZER-KRAUSS)
Carol V. Boyer
2913 Summer Hill Drive
West Friendship, MD 21794 USA
gboyer@...

Gerald Boyer wrote:
>
> From: "Gerald Boyer" <gboyer@...>
>
> Hello, I am new to this list and very much appreciate having the
> opportunity to join.  Just this week I learned that my grandfather Elemer
> URBAN was born in Svidnik, Slovakia, in l883.  He grew up in the old city
> of Varrano, Zemplin County, Slovakia, and emigrated to the US in 1903 on
> the Kaiser Wilhelm II.
> His mother was Maria VIROSZTEK and his father ferencz URBAN.  His sister
> was Valeria SZIGETI (nee URBAN) and other relatives were:  Dr. Gyozo
> VIROSZTEK, Sandorne VIROSZTEK, Mrs Jozsef Balicza (nee VIROSZTEK).
> If anyone has any information that relates to this positing, I would be
> most happy to hear from you.  Thank you for your kind consideration. (I am
> also searching my grandmother's family: GRALITZER-KRAUSS)
> Carol V. Boyer
> 2913 Summer Hill Drive
> West Friendship, MD 21794 USA
> gboyer@...
>

Carol,

Are you also subscribed to the Urban mailing list?
If you want to join, just send the command "subscribe" to
URBAN-L-request@...

Jim Honeychuck
Researching Hanicak, Urban, Puhalla

Question --
Are Kremnicka, Kremnicke, and Kremnica all the same town?  I see references
to all 3, but only find Kremnica on a map.  Also, on a passport, there is a
section that says "Polit. okres:  District politique:  Polit.Bezirk:"  with
a written response of "Bansko - Bystricky".  Is this the same as
Banska-Bystrica? (I assume this is something like a county seat?)

My instinct says that if it is Banska-Bystrica, the answer to the first
question is yes, they are the same?

Gerry Prich
Bad Axe, MI

> What does Hudak mean?  I am told that is also a common name.
> I don't think Vangor means anything in particular.

Hudak is a folk term for a musician (from hudba = music), or it could
be a different spelling for chudak, a poor man.

Vangor might refer to a Hungarian.  The same root is in Polish
(pronounced "vengier") and Russian (vyengyer). The old vowels "an"
and "en" can alternate - I've heard Polish dialects where they talk
about "Vangria" = Hungary (pronounced "Vengry" in standard Polish).
Since in Slovak the same root evolved into uhor-, and there are no
native "g"s in Slovak (they all evolved into "h"), this might show
some foreign influence in your background.   The original root was
"Onogur", the Turkic name for the confederation of ten Turkic and
Uralic tribes that swept into Hungary in the 9th century; it meant
"The Ten Arrows" = ten tribes.  The Onogur root also gives us English
Hungary (probably by way of Latin Hungaria).

Joe Armata
joe@...

I am researching the ancestors of my grandparents Yozef HENDRICHOVSKY (13 May
1886, Philadelphia, PA) and Ilona HUDAK (22 March 1888, Pottstown, PA).
	 His father, Yozef Hendrchovsky was born in Vlosac in Frichovce, Saris
	 His mother Anna, was also born there.
	 Her mother was also Anna, but I know little of her.
Family legend has
the elder Yozef returning to Slovakia "to take care of family business".  By
1920 records indicate that he is dead.  My goal is to find what became of him
in Slovakia.

The local FHC catalog indicates microfilms (1792103 and 1792104) of parish
records. Has anyone had occasion to look at these records?  Are they in Latin?
Hungarian?  Slovak?  How are they organized?  Can you give me advice on the
use of these records? Also, on the contents list of these microfilms, there is
mention of one town listed named HENSRICHOCVE.  Is it just a coincidence that
the town name is so close to the surname of my ancestor?

There is a very interesting document about Philadelphia Slovaks on the web at
http://www.libertynet.org/balch/zecker.htm It details which sections of
Philadelphia attracted Eastern Slovak immigrants and which sections attracted
Western Slovak immigrants.  Those of us dealing with these questions might
find that information helpful.

Also, I was able to locate my grandfather's file from the Slovak Gymnastic
Union Sokol. From this I found the spelling of his name before it was
Anglicized, and his home address in Philadelphia.  I then went to the local
church records. I have had recent success in finding family marriage and
baptismal records from the St. John Nepomucene Slovak Catholic church records.
Since St. John's was closed several years ago, these records are now kept at
St. Agnes Slovak Catholic Church in Philadelphia.

I plan to travel to Slovakia in mid September to research this branch of the
family and could use tips from anyone who has searched in this area. Are there
local genealogists who my be of help to me?


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Institutional and Public Policy Specializing in Health Issues
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Joe, as always I am dazzled by your erudition.  Years ago, one of my
professors was an old anatomist named Dr. Gabor Inke, a Hungarian.  He
insisted that my surname was Hungarian and I insisted that it was Slovak
because that's what my Dad said his people were.  But when I started to
research Dad's father's people, I knew that I had to look in southern
Slovakia, because the name probably IS Hungarian.  Sure enough, the Vangors
turn up in C~akanovce, Abov.

The earliest Vangor I have found is a Martin Vangor from 1782 in that area,
dropping in as a godfather to a baptism.  The name is spelled with the
variations Wangor and Wangur here and there but settles down before 1800
into Vangor.  Gee, this is interesting.  My great-aunt Minnie would have a
fit.  She intensely disliked Hungarians!  And dearly loved my Dad.

What about the word "goral" for those mountain people?  Where does that come
from?

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Armata <JOE@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] "alias Vangor"


> From: "Joe Armata" <JOE@...>
>
> > What does Hudak mean?  I am told that is also a common name.
> > I don't think Vangor means anything in particular.
>
> Hudak is a folk term for a musician (from hudba = music), or it could
> be a different spelling for chudak, a poor man.
>
> Vangor might refer to a Hungarian.  The same root is in Polish
> (pronounced "vengier") and Russian (vyengyer). The old vowels "an"
> and "en" can alternate - I've heard Polish dialects where they talk
> about "Vangria" = Hungary (pronounced "Vengry" in standard Polish).
> Since in Slovak the same root evolved into uhor-, and there are no
> native "g"s in Slovak (they all evolved into "h"), this might show
> some foreign influence in your background.   The original root was
> "Onogur", the Turkic name for the confederation of ten Turkic and
> Uralic tribes that swept into Hungary in the 9th century; it meant
> "The Ten Arrows" = ten tribes.  The Onogur root also gives us English
> Hungary (probably by way of Latin Hungaria).
>
> Joe Armata
> joe@...
>
>
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