I'm wanting to send something--greetings at the very least, maybe a little
something
more..to someone celebrating a birthday in Vitaz.  My husband visited this
family when he
was in Slovakia 3 years ago--they are "cousins of cousins," so not closely
related, but we're
in touch with one of their children and found they're having a special 50th
birthday party
next week.  We'd love to surprise them by sending something.  Is anyone there
who might
assist us with this?  Please advise.
I may also need help with translation for a greeting, but I'll leave that until
I see exactly what
we're going to do.
Thanks, Lisa Marzonie

>>> We'd love to surprise them by sending something.  Is anyone there
who might assist us with this?  Please advise.<<<

It happens that there is someone who can help.

Contact daniel.kisha@...
He is in Slovakia and offering his services. See web site at
http://www.slovakic.com/index.php?category=PRODUCTS

He is offering food baskets, as well as other items.

I guess most of the group is in Pittsburg right now, sipping Tokaj, and getting
ready to hear Ben play the fujara tomorrow, so I'll throw in my two cents worth.
      I'm quite sure that U.P.S. has offices in Kosice, not far from there.  
Call them and see how long it will take.
      As for a greeting in Slovak,  " Z BOHOM" is short and sweet.   Translates,
I believe into.    " With God's blessing ".
                                                             Tom
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: aintabsi2
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:31 PM
   Subject: [S-R] anyone currently in Vitaz?


   I'm wanting to send something--greetings at the very least, maybe a little
something
   more..to someone celebrating a birthday in Vitaz. My husband visited this
family when he
   was in Slovakia 3 years ago--they are "cousins of cousins," so not closely
related, but we're
   in touch with one of their children and found they're having a special 50th
birthday party
   next week. We'd love to surprise them by sending something. Is anyone there
who might
   assist us with this? Please advise.
   I may also need help with translation for a greeting, but I'll leave that
until I see exactly what
   we're going to do.
   Thanks, Lisa Marzonie





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Hi Lisa:

My ancestors are from VITAZ.  The names below are in my  direct lineage, but
I've also done a lot of research on the extended families in  the SIROKE
parish which includes VITAZ, OVCIE, and DOLINA.  I look forward  to hearing from
you. Please feel free to write me  directly.

Best regards,

David Michael Baloga

Researching: BALOGA (BALOG, BALOGH), BELAK, CUJ (CSUJ) HAMRAK,  HARBALY,
HARENCAR, HRONEC, HVIZDOS, JURASKO, KAFFAN, KISSEL, KOVALCIK, KREDATUS, 
ONDERCIN,
RUSBACKY, TKACS, TOMASOV (and variant spellings thereof) in SARIS  County
(villages of VITAZ, OVCIE, DOLINA, and SIROKE), in SPIS (villages of  SPISSKE
VLACHY, KLUKNAVA, RICHNAVA, KALAVA, VITAZ, OVCIE, DOMANOVCE, SPISSKE  HRHOV,
STARY SMOKOVEC (MLYNICA), and in GEMER County (village of ROZNAVA,  BRZOTIN, and
surrounding area)

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Thanks.  I'll look into it...hopefully today.


"We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring
home those who have lost their way."  St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: johnqadam@...
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:03:15 +0000
> Subject: [S-R] Re: anyone currently in Vitaz?
>
>
>>>> We'd love to surprise them by sending something. Is anyone there
> who might assist us with this? Please advise.<<<
>
> It happens that there is someone who can help.
>
> Contact daniel.kisha@...
> He is in Slovakia and offering his services. See web site at
> http://www.slovakic.com/index.php?category=PRODUCTS
>
> He is offering food baskets, as well as other items.
>
>
>

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Thank you. Lisa



"We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring
home those who have lost their way."  St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: tomfgurka@...
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:09:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: [S-R] anyone currently in Vitaz?
>
>
> I guess most of the group is in Pittsburg right now, sipping Tokaj, and
getting ready to hear Ben play the fujara tomorrow, so I'll throw in my two
cents worth.
> I'm quite sure that U.P.S. has offices in Kosice, not far from there. Call
them and see how long it will take.
> As for a greeting in Slovak, " Z BOHOM" is short and sweet. Translates, I
believe into. " With God's blessing ".
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aintabsi2
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: [S-R] anyone currently in Vitaz?
>
> I'm wanting to send something--greetings at the very least, maybe a little
something
> more..to someone celebrating a birthday in Vitaz. My husband visited this
family when he
> was in Slovakia 3 years ago--they are "cousins of cousins," so not closely
related, but we're
> in touch with one of their children and found they're having a special 50th
birthday party
> next week. We'd love to surprise them by sending something. Is anyone there
who might
> assist us with this? Please advise.
> I may also need help with translation for a greeting, but I'll leave that
until I see exactly what
> we're going to do.
> Thanks, Lisa Marzonie
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Thanks, David.  As I mentioned, these are not our direct relatives, they are
"cousins of cousins."  My husband had a whirlwind trip to Slovakia with 3 of his
cousins---they are Jencas(fem. Jencova) and Jenca descendants.  (Some of them in
the U.S. now have the name Yancho--a slight corruption.)  He met the Jozef Jenca
family in Vitaz.  We're in touch with one of their children (she has internet
access because she is in school) and just learned they are having a special 50th
birthday celebration for Jozef Jenca.  We thought it would be nice and a BIG
surprise if we sent something---at least a greeting.
My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's supposed to
be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura" or "Makzura")  Anyway, they were
from Sarriske Jastrabie.  I haven't been able to find much information on them
beyond what we know of their life here in the U.S.  I obviously don't speak
Slovak or Hungarian. (I haven't a drop of Slovak blood.), but I'm doing my best.
I love the Slovak Roots group...I've learned a great deal from reading the
posts.  We'd like to go to Slovakia sometime...I was just finishing cancer
treatment and didn't make the first trip. Unfortunately, with the economy the
way it is, I think it will be quite awhile before we can do any travel...even
domestic.  We still have a couple of boys to get through college.  This spring
it will be "4 down, 2 to go."  (One of those 2 thinks he wants to go to medical
school, if that's still possible for a white middle class male.)  Anyway, I
think my research will need to focus on the area of Sarriske Jastrabie, unless
we find indicators that the Macuras migrated there from elsewhere.  I don't know
if they were landowners.  It appears there may have been some nobility in some
branches of the family, but I haven't found out any more. (One of the names is a
sort of "give away"---a woman with 4 names, I think was uncommon among the
common people...we have a Ilona Carolina Paulina "Baronkay" (this may not be the
original spelling of Baronkay). I think they were from "Ung, Megye," and some of
their ancestral towns are now in the Ukraine. (Ugh!)  There are also the
following names:  Pogan/Pogany, Fogarshay and Karol/Karoly.  I don't know where
they were all from.  Our name is obviously corrupted---how they went from Macura
to Marzonie is beyond us!  We asked my husband's grandmother when she was still
alive if she wanted to have it changed back to Macura, and she declined.  She,
however, was a Carol/Karol/Karoly.  Well, I'm getting very long winded and must
prepare a birthday dinner.  As of today, we have only one "teenager" left, our
next oldest son is now 20.
BLessings,
Lisa Marzonie


"We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring
home those who have lost their way."  St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: david1law@...
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:25:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [S-R] anyone currently in Vitaz?
>
>
> Hi Lisa:
>
> My ancestors are from VITAZ. The names below are in my direct lineage, but
> I've also done a lot of research on the extended families in the SIROKE
> parish which includes VITAZ, OVCIE, and DOLINA. I look forward to hearing from
> you. Please feel free to write me directly.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Michael Baloga
>
> Researching: BALOGA (BALOG, BALOGH), BELAK, CUJ (CSUJ) HAMRAK, HARBALY,
> HARENCAR, HRONEC, HVIZDOS, JURASKO, KAFFAN, KISSEL, KOVALCIK, KREDATUS,
ONDERCIN,
> RUSBACKY, TKACS, TOMASOV (and variant spellings thereof) in SARIS County
> (villages of VITAZ, OVCIE, DOLINA, and SIROKE), in SPIS (villages of SPISSKE
> VLACHY, KLUKNAVA, RICHNAVA, KALAVA, VITAZ, OVCIE, DOMANOVCE, SPISSKE HRHOV,
> STARY SMOKOVEC (MLYNICA), and in GEMER County (village of ROZNAVA, BRZOTIN,
and
> surrounding area)
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Can someone in this group answer a question for me ?
The Father of our Grandmother Krisso/Kriso was a "maker and seller of pottery
for daily use", in Galszecs, now Secovce.  The State Archive in Kosice said he
was a "master potter".  What kind of pottery would he have produced ? Where
could I find a picture of something like, what he would have made.  I believe
that different regions produced, different designs and so forth.
Have a good weekend,  Christine

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Christine,
     Secovce is on Highway 50. If you go East towards Michalovce 8.5 miles you
come to the town of Pozdisovce. Pozdisovce is famous for its style of pottery.
     Here is a link to see some: http://www.slovartex.com/pottery.htm
     Since your potter relative lived three generations ago he must have been
born around the 1820s. I think it would have been unusual for him to do a 17
mile commute at that time. I would believe that he had or worked for a pottery
shop in or very near Galszecs. The supply of clay was obviously locally
available, for Pozdiovce pottery.
     From what I remember of a potter friends "lecture" on making pottery it was
the ability of a master potter to create thinner pieces that separated them from
the standard potters. They were also able to work on much larger and taller
pieces.
     Google Slovak Pottery and there are a quarter million hits. There is a very
long history of pottery in Slovakia. For which the archaeologists are very
thankful. The museum in Presov has a wonderful collection of pottery from many
thousands of years ago up to Pozdisovce pottery.
     It may be possible that one of the 1800 censuses has businesses listed in
Galszecs. Since the census may well be in Hungarian, look for fazebas - potter
or agyagedeny and fazebassaq - pottery.

From: christine mackara
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:21 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


Can someone in this group answer a question for me ?
The Father of our Grandmother Krisso/Kriso was a "maker and seller of pottery
for daily use", in Galszecs, now Secovce. The State Archive in Kosice said he
was a "master potter". What kind of pottery would he have produced ? Where could
I find a picture of something like, what he would have made. I believe that
different regions produced, different designs and so forth.
Have a good weekend, Christine

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>> (One of the names is a sort of "give away"---a woman with 4
names, I think was uncommon among the common people...we have a Ilona
Carolina Paulina "Baronkay" (this may not be the original spelling of
Baronkay). I think they were from "Ung, Megye," and some of their
ancestral towns are now in the Ukraine. (Ugh!)  <<<

Intriguing. I love a mystery.

Ellis Island and the Slovak phone book gives us the spelling and some
potential villages in eastern Slovakia. However, they are in Zemplen
Megye = county, not Ung Megye.

Boronkaj Milan    Poša 217, Poša   
Boronkajová Anna    Poša 18, Poša   
Boronkajová Helena    Poša 167, Poša   
Boronkajová Jana     Brestov 33, Humenné 1   
Boronkaj Štefan    Gaštanová 38, Humenné 
Boronkaj Radoslav    Májová 829/36, Medzilaborce    
Boronkaj Milan     Poša 217, Nižný Hrabovec   
Boronkaj Kovo - Bodor Slavomír Mojmírovce 1366, Mojmírovce 1   

Others may offer better insight.

>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
or "Makzura")  Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie.    .  .  .
Our name is obviously corrupted---how they went from Macura to Marzonie
is beyond us!  We asked my husband's grandmother when she was still
alive if she wanted to have it changed back to Macura, and she
declined. <<<

Phone listings show Mazurova but no Mazur. Perhaps I am missing
something. None from Sarriske Jastarbie.

Unfortunately, I have just picked up on this thread. But I have this for
this page.
     Sarriske Jastrabie is familiar to me since I drive through it on the way to
my ancestral village of Hromos not far away.
http://www.cisarik.com/map-8c.html is a page of a map Eastern Slovakia that you
can click on the name of a village and get information. On the Sarriske
Jastrabie page two current surnames there are Macura and Macurova. There is a
list of surnames from the 1822 Greek Catholic church, it lists a Macsur. This
seems to confirm your husband may still have family there.
     I did not understand what is being asked about Machut(ova). Which seems to
be a surname and not a village name. The Fuzzy Gazetteer for Macura only offered
Magura, Slovakia. Which is much further south than Sarriske Jastrabie.


From: johnqadam
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:57 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Machut


>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
or "Makzura") Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie.<<<

Closest I could find was Machut(ova). However, these seem not to be
near S'arriske Jastrabie.

Ellis Island shows Macut from Macuti, in Croatia.

I love a mystery.





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I was just "hunting" nearby villages using the map page I sent previously. One
block to the right, village of Kyjov has 4 Macura and 2 Macurova listings. A
road connects it to Sarriske Jastrabie 3 km / 1.8 miles away.


From: johnqadam
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:20 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Mazura Computes


>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
or "Makzura") Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie. . . .
Our name is obviously corrupted---how they went from Macura to Marzonie
is beyond us! We asked my husband's grandmother when she was still
alive if she wanted to have it changed back to Macura, and she
declined. <<<

Phone listings show Mazurova but no Mazur. Perhaps I am missing
something. None from Sarriske Jastarbie.





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What kind of pottery would he have produced ?


I am no expert on these matters, pottery was most often used in the storage
and preparation of food

Bill

THanks THomas!

I think that my GGF settled down in Hrusov.  Because he lists it as
his last place of residence on the Ellis Island records.  I have made
some interesting discoveries reading these records of my GGF and G
uncle, who traveled together.  THe Great uncle lists ?, Schlesen,
germany as where his nearest relative is from.  Once I determined that
his nearest relative was in Silesia (Schlesen), I looked at my GGF
record again and compared all the names in 1900 Silesia against all
the possible interpretations of the words in GGF nearest relative.
Low and behold Ratibor (german name for current polish Racibórz) seems
to be the word!  GGS fecord says ?, Ratibor, germany.  Now I have to
look at all the cities in Ratibor county to try n find something that
matches the city.  I got confirmation of this when I read a german
article detailing the derivation of the Kampczyk name.  It appears
that the lions share of them are in upper Silesia per the polish phone
book.  The remainder are in Germany and are probably ones that were
caught up in the 1945 deportation of German speakers from Poland.

THis is fun,

Max

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <treimer@...> wrote:
>
> Max,
>
> Remember that people from the Zips also worked in other places. Many
Lutheran ministers worked in the Banat, for example, and craftsmen a
bit everywhere. My greatgreatgrandfather from Eisdorf (Zakovce now) in
1846 worked from 1845 to 1848 as stonecutter  in Elberfeld on the
Rhine, and then came back to get married and take over the family farm.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Thomas
>
> ---- f12hte <f12hte@...> wrote:
> > Thanks David,
> >
> > It looks like they came from everywhere!  I have been looking in the
> > LDS Family History Library and can't find one group of greats in
> > Spissky Hrusov.  I think that it is because these, the Kampciks were
> > relatively new immigrants into Spissky Hrusov.  They listed Kortvelyes
> > as the place they were comming from, but for nearest relative, my G
> > Granddad lists his brother in ???something...Germany.  If I could just
> > read that, it could open a whole new line of search for his ancestors
> > in that country.  I've been using fuzzy gazateer to try to figure out
> > these place names....but they are badly scrawled and probably badly
> > spelled.  For some reason, the first part of the place name looks like
> > Bernau to me, even though the initial B is missing.
> >
> > Thanks for the info...you must be a history professor!
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, david1law@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Max:
> > >
> > > In regard to your question as to where the Germans in the Spis
region
> > > (particularly Spissky Hrusov) originally came from is a great
> > question  and one that
> > > needs a lot of historical context.  The predominant German  ethnic
> > group in
> > > the Spis region were the Saxons.  I've even seen the name  SAKSA
> > (meaning
> > > "Saxon") appear among the name of godparents in my family lineage
> > in the Spis
> > > region. While the Saxons were the main group in the Spis region,
> > there were also
> > > other groups of German/Germanic lineage in the Spis region. There
> > were also
> > > Frankish settlements (Velka Frankova and  Mala Frankova), Swedish
> > (Svedlar), and
> > > Swabian (Svabovce, Majere) in  the Spis region, and there were
also a
> > > Bavarian settlement  (Bajerov) in the adjacent Saris region.  The
> > first written
> > > mention of most villages in the Spis region (not necessarily those
> > just German  in
> > > origin) date back to the 13th and 14th century, though
archeaological
> > > evidence shows human habitation back to the Stone Age (such as the
> > discovery in
> > > stone age man in Ganovce). The Hungarian  chronicles do reference
> > Thuringia as a
> > > point of origin for German settlers in  the Gemer region (adjacent
> > to Spis) as
> > > far back as the 11th  century. The Slovak Spectator has an article
> > about the
> > > discovery of the grave of a Germanic chieftain in the Spis region
> > (around
> > > Poprad-Matejovce) dating back to the 5th/6th century:
> > >
> > > _http://www.spectator.sk/articles/view/25074_
> > > (http://www.spectator.sk/articles/view/25074)
> > >
> > > I find the history of the Spis region to be extremely  fascinating
> > and it was
> > > definitely multicultural -- and predominately Slavic and  German
> > until the
> > > 20th century.
> > >
> > > I hope that this helps a little, though it may prompt even  more
> > questions.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
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Michael,

Thank you so much for your quick reply.
Michal Kriso was born ca. 1837 in Bracovce or Trhoviste and died 1877 in
Galszecs.  Now that I know what I am looking at : in the 1869 census it says:
"fazekaj", and in the next column it looks like "ónálló".  Somebody said that
means independent ?
Uncle Joe said, that his mother always talked about the beautiful dishes, that
were all over the house.  If only we had the internet then, when U.Joe was still
alive !  I can now picture in my mind, what Michal Kriso created.  He didn't
pass his craft on, because his two sons died as children and his three daughters
emigrated.

Christine







   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael Mojher
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


   Christine,
   Secovce is on Highway 50. If you go East towards Michalovce 8.5 miles you come
to the town of Pozdisovce. Pozdisovce is famous for its style of pottery.
   Here is a link to see some: http://www.slovartex.com/pottery.htm
   Since your potter relative lived three generations ago he must have been born
around the 1820s. I think it would have been unusual for him to do a 17 mile
commute at that time. I would believe that he had or worked for a pottery shop
in or very near Galszecs. The supply of clay was obviously locally available,
for Pozdiovce pottery.
   From what I remember of a potter friends "lecture" on making pottery it was
the ability of a master potter to create thinner pieces that separated them from
the standard potters. They were also able to work on much larger and taller
pieces.
   Google Slovak Pottery and there are a quarter million hits. There is a very
long history of pottery in Slovakia. For which the archaeologists are very
thankful. The museum in Presov has a wonderful collection of pottery from many
thousands of years ago up to Pozdisovce pottery.
   It may be possible that one of the 1800 censuses has businesses listed in
Galszecs. Since the census may well be in Hungarian, look for fazebas - potter
or agyagedeny and fazebassaq - pottery.

   From: christine mackara
   Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:21 PM
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

   Can someone in this group answer a question for me ?
   The Father of our Grandmother Krisso/Kriso was a "maker and seller of pottery
for daily use", in Galszecs, now Secovce. The State Archive in Kosice said he
was a "master potter". What kind of pottery would he have produced ? Where could
I find a picture of something like, what he would have made. I believe that
different regions produced, different designs and so forth.
   Have a good weekend, Christine

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Christine,
     Glad I could have been of some assistance.
     How sad that Michal Kriso died at 40. Just imagine how many more pottery
pieces he could have created.
     I appreciate pottery. So on each trip to Slovakia I purchase a Modra plate
to commemorate the trip. I have six hanging on my kitchen wall.
     Even after all these years, I wonder if any of his pieces have survived. Are
you in contact with relatives that might know?
Michael


From: christine mackara
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:34 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia



Michael,

Thank you so much for your quick reply.
Michal Kriso was born ca. 1837 in Bracovce or Trhoviste and died 1877 in
Galszecs. Now that I know what I am looking at : in the 1869 census it says:
"fazekaj", and in the next column it looks like "ónálló". Somebody said that
means independent ?
Uncle Joe said, that his mother always talked about the beautiful dishes, that
were all over the house. If only we had the internet then, when U.Joe was still
alive ! I can now picture in my mind, what Michal Kriso created. He didn't pass
his craft on, because his two sons died as children and his three daughters
emigrated.

Christine

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Mojher
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

Christine,
Secovce is on Highway 50. If you go East towards Michalovce 8.5 miles you come
to the town of Pozdisovce. Pozdisovce is famous for its style of pottery.
Here is a link to see some: http://www.slovartex.com/pottery.htm
Since your potter relative lived three generations ago he must have been born
around the 1820s. I think it would have been unusual for him to do a 17 mile
commute at that time. I would believe that he had or worked for a pottery shop
in or very near Galszecs. The supply of clay was obviously locally available,
for Pozdiovce pottery.
From what I remember of a potter friends "lecture" on making pottery it was the
ability of a master potter to create thinner pieces that separated them from the
standard potters. They were also able to work on much larger and taller pieces.
Google Slovak Pottery and there are a quarter million hits. There is a very long
history of pottery in Slovakia. For which the archaeologists are very thankful.
The museum in Presov has a wonderful collection of pottery from many thousands
of years ago up to Pozdisovce pottery.
It may be possible that one of the 1800 censuses has businesses listed in
Galszecs. Since the census may well be in Hungarian, look for fazebas - potter
or agyagedeny and fazebassaq - pottery.

From: christine mackara
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:21 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

Can someone in this group answer a question for me ?
The Father of our Grandmother Krisso/Kriso was a "maker and seller of pottery
for daily use", in Galszecs, now Secovce. The State Archive in Kosice said he
was a "master potter". What kind of pottery would he have produced ? Where could
I find a picture of something like, what he would have made. I believe that
different regions produced, different designs and so forth.
Have a good weekend, Christine

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Michael,

Unfortunately ,both the Makara Family or the Krisso Fam., seems to have kept any
ties to the old country.  U. Joe used to say, it wasn't something we talked
about.  It just fascinates me, and I try to infect my family with the genealogy
bug.  I also like pottery.  Where I come from the "Bunzlauer " was famous.  I
have many pieces  of the  blue pottery from Boleslawiec.

Christine









----- Original Message -----






   From: Michael Mojher
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:48 AM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


   Christine,
   Glad I could have been of some assistance.
   How sad that Michal Kriso died at 40. Just imagine how many more pottery
pieces he could have created.
   I appreciate pottery. So on each trip to Slovakia I purchase a Modra plate to
commemorate the trip. I have six hanging on my kitchen wall.
   Even after all these years, I wonder if any of his pieces have survived. Are
you in contact with relatives that might know?
   Michael

   From: christine mackara
   Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:34 AM
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

   Michael,

   Thank you so much for your quick reply.
   Michal Kriso was born ca. 1837 in Bracovce or Trhoviste and died 1877 in
Galszecs. Now that I know what I am looking at : in the 1869 census it says:
"fazekaj", and in the next column it looks like "ónálló". Somebody said that
means independent ?
   Uncle Joe said, that his mother always talked about the beautiful dishes, that
were all over the house. If only we had the internet then, when U.Joe was still
alive ! I can now picture in my mind, what Michal Kriso created. He didn't pass
his craft on, because his two sons died as children and his three daughters
emigrated.

   Christine

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael Mojher
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

   Christine,
   Secovce is on Highway 50. If you go East towards Michalovce 8.5 miles you come
to the town of Pozdisovce. Pozdisovce is famous for its style of pottery.
   Here is a link to see some: http://www.slovartex.com/pottery.htm
   Since your potter relative lived three generations ago he must have been born
around the 1820s. I think it would have been unusual for him to do a 17 mile
commute at that time. I would believe that he had or worked for a pottery shop
in or very near Galszecs. The supply of clay was obviously locally available,
for Pozdiovce pottery.
   From what I remember of a potter friends "lecture" on making pottery it was
the ability of a master potter to create thinner pieces that separated them from
the standard potters. They were also able to work on much larger and taller
pieces.
   Google Slovak Pottery and there are a quarter million hits. There is a very
long history of pottery in Slovakia. For which the archaeologists are very
thankful. The museum in Presov has a wonderful collection of pottery from many
thousands of years ago up to Pozdisovce pottery.
   It may be possible that one of the 1800 censuses has businesses listed in
Galszecs. Since the census may well be in Hungarian, look for fazebas - potter
or agyagedeny and fazebassaq - pottery.

   From: christine mackara
   Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:21 PM
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

   Can someone in this group answer a question for me ?
   The Father of our Grandmother Krisso/Kriso was a "maker and seller of pottery
for daily use", in Galszecs, now Secovce. The State Archive in Kosice said he
was a "master potter". What kind of pottery would he have produced ? Where could
I find a picture of something like, what he would have made. I believe that
different regions produced, different designs and so forth.
   Have a good weekend, Christine

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Christine,
     If you don't have this website, you should - http://www.cisarik.com/
     There is an interactive map with blocks in it. Click on a block and a
detailed map comes up. Click on a village with a red circle around it and an
information page comes up. Most interesting is the list of surnames.
     I went "hunting": Secovce - Kriskova, Mackova and Macuga,  Bracovce -
Magura, 2 Magurova, Trhoviste - 0.
     My cousin, Jozef Dronzek, is the Dekan (Head) of the Roman Catholic
cathedral in Trebisov. He oversees 150 villages that surround Trebisov. If you
think that there might be a chance that you still have relatives in the area I
can see what he might be able to find out.
     Secovce website: http://www.secovce.sk/
     Bracovce website: http://www.bracovce.sk/
     Trhoviste website: http://www.trhoviste.sk/
     Slovakia is working on every village having its own website. They are doing
well, considering there are almost 3000 of them. Of course most are in Slovak,
every once in awhile a site might have some pages that have translated to
English or German. Fotogaléria is a word worth knowing, photo gallery. It is
always worth a look at a village of interest.


From: christine mackara
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:09 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia



Michael,

Unfortunately ,both the Makara Family or the Krisso Fam., seems to have kept any
ties to the old country. U. Joe used to say, it wasn't something we talked
about. It just fascinates me, and I try to infect my family with the genealogy
bug. I also like pottery. Where I come from the "Bunzlauer " was famous. I have
many pieces of the blue pottery from Boleslawiec.

Christine

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Mojher
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

Christine,
Glad I could have been of some assistance.
How sad that Michal Kriso died at 40. Just imagine how many more pottery pieces
he could have created.
I appreciate pottery. So on each trip to Slovakia I purchase a Modra plate to
commemorate the trip. I have six hanging on my kitchen wall.
Even after all these years, I wonder if any of his pieces have survived. Are you
in contact with relatives that might know?
Michael

From: christine mackara
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:34 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

Michael,

Thank you so much for your quick reply.
Michal Kriso was born ca. 1837 in Bracovce or Trhoviste and died 1877 in
Galszecs. Now that I know what I am looking at : in the 1869 census it says:
"fazekaj", and in the next column it looks like "ónálló". Somebody said that
means independent ?
Uncle Joe said, that his mother always talked about the beautiful dishes, that
were all over the house. If only we had the internet then, when U.Joe was still
alive ! I can now picture in my mind, what Michal Kriso created. He didn't pass
his craft on, because his two sons died as children and his three daughters
emigrated.

Christine

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Mojher
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

Christine,
Secovce is on Highway 50. If you go East towards Michalovce 8.5 miles you come
to the town of Pozdisovce. Pozdisovce is famous for its style of pottery.
Here is a link to see some: http://www.slovartex.com/pottery.htm
Since your potter relative lived three generations ago he must have been born
around the 1820s. I think it would have been unusual for him to do a 17 mile
commute at that time. I would believe that he had or worked for a pottery shop
in or very near Galszecs. The supply of clay was obviously locally available,
for Pozdiovce pottery.
From what I remember of a potter friends "lecture" on making pottery it was the
ability of a master potter to create thinner pieces that separated them from the
standard potters. They were also able to work on much larger and taller pieces.
Google Slovak Pottery and there are a quarter million hits. There is a very long
history of pottery in Slovakia. For which the archaeologists are very thankful.
The museum in Presov has a wonderful collection of pottery from many thousands
of years ago up to Pozdisovce pottery.
It may be possible that one of the 1800 censuses has businesses listed in
Galszecs. Since the census may well be in Hungarian, look for fazebas - potter
or agyagedeny and fazebassaq - pottery.

From: christine mackara
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:21 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

Can someone in this group answer a question for me ?
The Father of our Grandmother Krisso/Kriso was a "maker and seller of pottery
for daily use", in Galszecs, now Secovce. The State Archive in Kosice said he
was a "master potter". What kind of pottery would he have produced ? Where could
I find a picture of something like, what he would have made. I believe that
different regions produced, different designs and so forth.
Have a good weekend, Christine

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Michael,

Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me.  I think there are
too many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in the
1880's.   As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce area. 
Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO.  I think, 
that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in Presov. 
Maybe!
In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce.  The
Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church.   I might get that.  Secovce
was also filmed and I should get that too.
Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites.  He is really
marvellous.  Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak.  I will have to get
at least a dictionary!
Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give for
the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records.  I
should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the family
scource ones.

Thank you again for all your time,
Christine



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Thanks.  Just got back to my computer after a long day.
I'll save this info. and see what further information I can find.  I REALLY
appreciate every bit of help.
Lisa


"We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring
home those who have lost their way."  St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: johnqadam@...
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:39:54 +0000
> Subject: [S-R] Boronkaj
>
>
>>>> (One of the names is a sort of "give away"---a woman with 4
> names, I think was uncommon among the common people...we have a Ilona
> Carolina Paulina "Baronkay" (this may not be the original spelling of
> Baronkay). I think they were from "Ung, Megye," and some of their
> ancestral towns are now in the Ukraine. (Ugh!) <<<
>
> Intriguing. I love a mystery.
>
> Ellis Island and the Slovak phone book gives us the spelling and some
> potential villages in eastern Slovakia. However, they are in Zemplen
> Megye = county, not Ung Megye.
>
> Boronkaj Milan    Poša 217, Poša
> Boronkajová Anna    Poša 18, Poša
> Boronkajová Helena    Poša 167, Poša
> Boronkajová Jana     Brestov 33, Humenné 1
> Boronkaj Štefan    Gaštanová 38, Humenné
> Boronkaj Radoslav    Májová 829/36, Medzilaborce
> Boronkaj Milan     Poša 217, Nižný Hrabovec
> Boronkaj Kovo - Bodor Slavomír Mojmírovce 1366, Mojmírovce 1
>
> Others may offer better insight.
>
>
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Thanks. Not being Slovak, I'm clueless, but I appreciate every scrap of
information...we never know when something is going to suddenly come into play. 
I think they spelled it with a "c"----Macura, but whether that's accurate
(original), I don't know.  I also do not know if they were ALWAYS from Sarriske
Jastrabie...the family could have come there from some other location.  We know
VERY little.  In the U.S., they were Pennsylvania coal miners, but I don't know
what they did in Europe.
Thanks again.  I'll save the info and see if I can find anything more relating
to this.
Lisa


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home those who have lost their way."  St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: johnqadam@...
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:20:36 +0000
> Subject: [S-R] Mazura Computes
>
>
>>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
> supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
> or "Makzura") Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie. . . .
> Our name is obviously corrupted---how they went from Macura to Marzonie
> is beyond us! We asked my husband's grandmother when she was still
> alive if she wanted to have it changed back to Macura, and she
> declined. <<<
>
> Phone listings show Mazurova but no Mazur. Perhaps I am missing
> something. None from Sarriske Jastarbie.
>
>
>

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Wow!  Thanks!  We'll have to see if we can "check this out" somehow.  When my
husband was in Slovakia 3 years ago, he was not the trip planner and did not
have much time to look for records or anything.  We'd like to go back, but God
only knows how and when.  Perhaps if I can do more research from home, I can
prepare the way for a more fruitful search over there.
Thanks, again.
Lisa


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> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: mgmojher@...
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:39:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Mazura Computes
>
>
> I was just "hunting" nearby villages using the map page I sent previously. One
block to the right, village of Kyjov has 4 Macura and 2 Macurova listings. A
road connects it to Sarriske Jastrabie 3 km / 1.8 miles away.
>
> From: johnqadam
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:20 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-R] Mazura Computes
>
>>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
> supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
> or "Makzura") Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie. . . .
> Our name is obviously corrupted---how they went from Macura to Marzonie
> is beyond us! We asked my husband's grandmother when she was still
> alive if she wanted to have it changed back to Macura, and she
> declined. <<<
>
> Phone listings show Mazurova but no Mazur. Perhaps I am missing
> something. None from Sarriske Jastarbie.
>
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>
>
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Uh, I'm somewhat lost.  I didn't ask anything about a Machut(ova).  Perhaps that
was someone else's post.  I only mentioned Macura as that was my husband's
family's name--and I mentioned some other names which were connected through
marriages or whatever.  Our primary ancestral name was Macura, so the fact that
there are ANY Macura/Macurovas listed is very good news for us.
Thanks.
Lisa



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home those who have lost their way."  St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: mgmojher@...
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:30:22 -0700
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Machut
>
>
> Unfortunately, I have just picked up on this thread. But I have this for this
page.
> Sarriske Jastrabie is familiar to me since I drive through it on the way to my
ancestral village of Hromos not far away.
> http://www.cisarik.com/map-8c.html is a page of a map Eastern Slovakia that
you can click on the name of a village and get information. On the Sarriske
Jastrabie page two current surnames there are Macura and Macurova. There is a
list of surnames from the 1822 Greek Catholic church, it lists a Macsur. This
seems to confirm your husband may still have family there.
> I did not understand what is being asked about Machut(ova). Which seems to be
a surname and not a village name. The Fuzzy Gazetteer for Macura only offered
Magura, Slovakia. Which is much further south than Sarriske Jastrabie.
>
> From: johnqadam
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:57 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-R] Machut
>
>>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
> supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
> or "Makzura") Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie.<<<
>
> Closest I could find was Machut(ova). However, these seem not to be
> near S'arriske Jastrabie.
>
> Ellis Island shows Macut from Macuti, in Croatia.
>
> I love a mystery.
>
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Christine,
     I can appreciate the fact that there is just so far you may want to pursue a
family line. My mother's paternal side is such a case. With the great-grand
parents being house servants their trail is virtually impossible to follow. They
arrived in Sarisske Michal'any. Grandfather was born there. His birth is the
only record of them being there. No other children born. Their deaths not found
there. If they left for another household, who knows where.
     I have to let you know that my Mother's maternal line continues in Presov. I
use Presov as my base when I'm in Slovakia. In six trips I have now "lived"
there for over three months. My mother's cousin is a Jozef Sopko. He, two sons,
a son-in-law and now a grandson have been firemen in Presov. Grandson Lubo is
now a Captain. So I can offer a Presov connection in your search for the Szalay.
With the 'z' in the name after the "S" I would guess that this is a Hungarian
spelling of the name. I would not be surprised that the "z" is not used in the
Latin or Slovak records. So you might be searching for a Salay. Let me know what
you have on this family.
     Your question asked, Why the family sources that listed a birth date were
different from the church records. For most church records the recording is done
in conjunction with the baptism. Most often this was done a day or two after the
birth. So it was an immediate action following the birth. When the birth was
recorded in the "family source" is usually not given. It could be from days to
years after the birth. The longer after the more likely a discrepancy can
happen. There were not many calendars hanging in homes back in the 1800's. So
just keeping track of what date it is vs. what day it is was a little more
difficult. And certainly not as much as a necessity as it is now. I do as you;
use the church record as the "official" one and make note of what was in other
sources.


From: christine mackara
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:06 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


Michael,

Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me. I think there are too
many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in the
1880's. As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce area.
Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO. I think,
that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in Presov.
Maybe!
In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce. The
Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church. I might get that. Secovce was
also filmed and I should get that too.
Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites. He is really
marvellous. Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak. I will have to get
at least a dictionary!
Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give for
the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records. I
should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the family
scource ones.

Thank you again for all your time,
Christine

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Lisa,
     I stepped into your conversation with 'johnqadam' and apologized in my first
e-mail about not seeing previous messages.
     Because my ancestral village, Hromos, is so close to Sarriske Jastrabie I
wondered if I might be able to contribute something to your search. The Macura
surnames in Sarriske Jastrabie and Kyjov should be of use. As you said, "I don't
know if they were ALWAYS from Sarriske Jastrabie." My situation is similar. The
Mojcher family was from Hromos, but it was not unusual to find family members
living in Plavnica that was 3 km away. Just like your Macura family members.
     What is so useful with that map I sent is you can do a "bull's-eye" search
for a family. Begin with a village and then start working outwards from it,
looking for the surname in other villages. That is how I found so many Macura
members in Kyjov. Because of that find I would suspect that Kyjov may be the
Macura ancestral village.
     Hopefully, you will find like I did that my family has lived in its
ancestral village for a very long time. I can place the Mojcher family in Hromos
for over 310 years.
     The Mojhers were also Pennsylvania coalminers - Olyphant-Blakeley.
Michael Mojher


From: Lisa Marzonie
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:56 PM
To: slovak-roots@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-R] Mazura Computes



Thanks. Not being Slovak, I'm clueless, but I appreciate every scrap of
information...we never know when something is going to suddenly come into play.
I think they spelled it with a "c"----Macura, but whether that's accurate
(original), I don't know. I also do not know if they were ALWAYS from Sarriske
Jastrabie...the family could have come there from some other location. We know
VERY little. In the U.S., they were Pennsylvania coal miners, but I don't know
what they did in Europe.
Thanks again. I'll save the info and see if I can find anything more relating to
this.
Lisa

"We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring
home those who have lost their way." St. Francis of Assisi

________________________________
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> From: johnqadam@...
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:20:36 +0000
> Subject: [S-R] Mazura Computes
>
>
>>>> My husband's family was actually Macura (I'm not certain if that's
> supposed to be MaÇura---I think it is pronounced "matzura"
> or "Makzura") Anyway, they were from Sarriske Jastrabie. . . .
> Our name is obviously corrupted---how they went from Macura to Marzonie
> is beyond us! We asked my husband's grandmother when she was still
> alive if she wanted to have it changed back to Macura, and she
> declined. <<<
>
> Phone listings show Mazurova but no Mazur. Perhaps I am missing
> something. None from Sarriske Jastarbie.
>
>
>

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Could someone help me with the pronunciation of Juraj? I don't know if
it sounds as spelled or maybe J's are Y's.

You're correct. J's are pronounced likeY's.            Tom
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   From: Ludovit
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:04 AM
   Subject: [S-R] pronunciation


   Could someone help me with the pronunciation of Juraj? I don't know if
   it sounds as spelled or maybe J's are Y's.





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I hope I'm correct on this.  Juraj sounds like (yur-eye).
 Regards,


Karen





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Correct. Go to the head of the class.
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   From: Karen C
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   Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:25 AM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] pronunciation Juraj


   I hope I'm correct on this.  Juraj sounds like (yur-eye).
    Regards,

   Karen

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