Weird question of the day:  has anyone else who has worked their way
through Slovak village records noticed that the name "David" is
usually a male who was born illegitimate?  I know Vladimir B. has
mentioned in the past that illegitimate children were often given
unusual names, but David doesn't strike me as unusual...think King
David in the Bible...  Maybe it's this particular village's favorite
name for illegitimate boys??  (I do see other odd names for these
boys, but David pops up over and over.)

Just wondering.  Yeah, it's trivial; but I promise to spend the rest
of the day thinking about important and relevant stuff.

Julie Michutka
jmm@...

Julie

   I haven't noticed this in particular, but what I will say is that David tends
not to be a much-used name in the Slovak region at all, I've poured over lots of
records and the name does not come up much.


   Caye



J Michutka <jmm@...> wrote:
           Weird question of the day: has anyone else who has worked their way
through Slovak village records noticed that the name "David" is
usually a male who was born illegitimate? I know Vladimir B. has
mentioned in the past that illegitimate children were often given
unusual names, but David doesn't strike me as unusual...think King
David in the Bible... Maybe it's this particular village's favorite
name for illegitimate boys?? (I do see other odd names for these
boys, but David pops up over and over.)

Just wondering. Yeah, it's trivial; but I promise to spend the rest
of the day thinking about important and relevant stuff.

Julie Michutka
jmm@...





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>
> Moderators,
>
> Is this a scam or hoax?
>
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This does not address past practice, but I do have a legitimate cousin
David who is ten years old now.

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, J Michutka <jmm@...> wrote:
>
> Weird question of the day:  has anyone else who has worked their way
> through Slovak village records noticed that the name "David" is
> usually a male who was born illegitimate?  I know Vladimir B. has
> mentioned in the past that illegitimate children were often given
> unusual names, but David doesn't strike me as unusual...think King
> David in the Bible...  Maybe it's this particular village's favorite
> name for illegitimate boys??  (I do see other odd names for these
> boys, but David pops up over and over.)
>
> Just wondering.  Yeah, it's trivial; but I promise to spend the rest
> of the day thinking about important and relevant stuff.
>
> Julie Michutka
> jmm@...
>

In a message dated 4/3/2008 8:35:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmm@... writes:

Weird  question of the day: has anyone else who has worked their way
through  Slovak village records noticed that the name "David" is
usually a male who  was born illegitimate? I know Vladimir B. has
mentioned in the past that  illegitimate children were often given
unusual names, but David doesn't  strike me as unusual...think King
David in the Bible... Maybe it's this  particular village's favorite
name for illegitimate boys?? (I do see other  odd names for these
boys, but David pops up over and  over.)



Julie, I've noticed that Stephen (Istvan in the Hungarian) is another
relatively uncommon given name. Probably coincidence, but in my own  research
the
Stephen in question was also listed as "Illegitimate". If  his and other parents
in similar circumstances, for whatever reason (I  make no moral judgements)
were not married at the time of these births,  in the eyes of the Roman
Catholic Church their  children were considered "Illegitimate", or "born out of
wedlock". That's somewhat different today for sure, and a lot less  condemning
then in our ancestors time.

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Now that is definitely a case where it depends on WHERE you are looking.
I know what records you are talking about, Eugene (the ones around
Vinne), and now that you mention it, I don't remember very many Istvans
either. But when I started on my mother's family in Liptovska Teplicka,
there were Istvans all over the place.

With very little proof, I'd say it's a result of naming conventions -
the old habit of naming firstborn son after the father, second after
paternal grandfather, third after maternal grandfather, then paternal
brothers and maternal brothers (for girls it would be mothers,
grandmothers, sisters). I've also heard where they are named after the
godparents. Wouldn't take too many generations of this before you see an
entire village of nothing but Jans, Michels, marias, and Annas



-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of gklodzen@...
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:57 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 4/3/2008 8:35:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmm@pathbridge. <mailto:jmm%40pathbridge.net> net writes:

  >>><<<

Julie, I've noticed that Stephen (Istvan in the Hungarian) is another
relatively uncommon given name. Probably coincidence, but in my own
research the
Stephen in question was also listed as "Illegitimate". If his and other
parents
in similar circumstances, for whatever reason (I make no moral
judgements)
were not married at the time of these births, in the eyes of the Roman
Catholic Church their children were considered "Illegitimate", or "born
out of
wedlock". That's somewhat different today for sure, and a lot less
condemning
then in our ancestors time.

Eugene Klodzen

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Through my genealogical research, I found a cousin in Slovakia a couple
of years ago.  He just informed me he is getting married.   What is an
appropriate gift for the Slovak couple?  Are gifts like American
wedding gifts ok?  Is money appropriate?  What form of money should be
sent?  What is a safe way to send it, in a card to their address?  Any
ideas will be appreciated.  In addition to the gift, I might send a
decorative copy of the family tree showing how we are "cousins".

Marilyn

Money would be put to best use -- the genealogy would be a nice accompanyment
to money.

   If you decide against money, small electronics would be nice as well, digital
cameras or maybe a nice digital photo frame so they could display their wedding
photos and family photos as their family grows.



   Caye


Marilyn <mjhertenstein@...> wrote:
           Through my genealogical research, I found a cousin in Slovakia a
couple
of years ago. He just informed me he is getting married. What is an
appropriate gift for the Slovak couple? Are gifts like American
wedding gifts ok? Is money appropriate? What form of money should be
sent? What is a safe way to send it, in a card to their address? Any
ideas will be appreciated. In addition to the gift, I might send a
decorative copy of the family tree showing how we are "cousins".

Marilyn






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Great ideas, but I'd warn against a digital photo frame. They've been linked to
viruses and nasty Trojans that steal passwords and infest your computer.  Put
"digital photo frames viruses" into Google and see the results.

Joe


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-
> ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Caye Caswick
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:13 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovak Wedding Gift
>
>
> Money would be put to best use -- the genealogy would be a nice
> accompanyment to money.
>
> If you decide against money, small electronics would be nice as well,
> digital cameras or maybe a nice digital photo frame so they could
> display their wedding photos and family photos as their family grows.
>
>
>
> Caye
>
>
> Marilyn <mjhertenstein@... <mailto:mjhertenstein%40charter.net>
> > wrote:
> Through my genealogical research, I found a cousin in Slovakia a couple
> of years ago. He just informed me he is getting married. What is an
> appropriate gift for the Slovak couple? Are gifts like American
> wedding gifts ok? Is money appropriate? What form of money should be
> sent? What is a safe way to send it, in a card to their address? Any
> ideas will be appreciated. In addition to the gift, I might send a
> decorative copy of the family tree showing how we are "cousins".
>
> Marilyn

Maryiln,
     There have been suggestions for gifts; digital camera and photo frame.
     How much do you know about what the cousin owns will determine if the camera
is good idea. Does the cousin own a computer? If not, how large a city does the
cousin live in? Getting the digital pictures printed in a small town or village
could be very difficult.
     I was at a wedding reception for my nephew and new Slovak niece. The gifts
were very much as you would expect in America. Since they were returning to
America money gifts were given. Much easier to pack back home.
     A secure way to send money is through Western Union. You can choose the
dollar amount and they will convert it to Slovak Koruna. Many banks in Slovakia
are a Western Union agent. The only thing to be aware of is that Western Union
does have a set number of days that the money must be picked up. I can't
remember the exact number, it is reasonable. So you can send a card telling them
there is a money gift at Western Union. You will have to find the nearest agent
to your cousin to send it to. Although any Western Union agent can honor the
transfer.
Michael


From: Marilyn
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:51 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Slovak Wedding Gift


Through my genealogical research, I found a cousin in Slovakia a couple
of years ago. He just informed me he is getting married. What is an
appropriate gift for the Slovak couple? Are gifts like American
wedding gifts ok? Is money appropriate? What form of money should be
sent? What is a safe way to send it, in a card to their address? Any
ideas will be appreciated. In addition to the gift, I might send a
decorative copy of the family tree showing how we are "cousins".

Marilyn





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Thank you Michael, for your kind suggestions and sharing your experience.  I
am leaning towards a gift of money at this time and will look into Western
Union offices.

Marilyn

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From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Mojher
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:11 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovak Wedding Gift



Maryiln,
There have been suggestions for gifts; digital camera and photo frame.
How much do you know about what the cousin owns will determine if the camera
is good idea. Does the cousin own a computer? If not, how large a city does
the cousin live in? Getting the digital pictures printed in a small town or
village could be very difficult.
I was at a wedding reception for my nephew and new Slovak niece. The gifts
were very much as you would expect in America. Since they were returning to
America money gifts were given. Much easier to pack back home.
A secure way to send money is through Western Union. You can choose the
dollar amount and they will convert it to Slovak Koruna. Many banks in
Slovakia are a Western Union agent. The only thing to be aware of is that
Western Union does have a set number of days that the money must be picked
up. I can't remember the exact number, it is reasonable. So you can send a
card telling them there is a money gift at Western Union. You will have to
find the nearest agent to your cousin to send it to. Although any Western
Union agent can honor the transfer.
Michael

From: Marilyn
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:51 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Slovak Wedding Gift

Through my genealogical research, I found a cousin in Slovakia a couple
of years ago. He just informed me he is getting married. What is an
appropriate gift for the Slovak couple? Are gifts like American
wedding gifts ok? Is money appropriate? What form of money should be
sent? What is a safe way to send it, in a card to their address? Any
ideas will be appreciated. In addition to the gift, I might send a
decorative copy of the family tree showing how we are "cousins".

Marilyn

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Not sure if this is still true, but when I lived in Turkey back in the 70's we
had to get special transformers to ether step-down or step-up the current in
order to use American made electronic devices.  Seemed that Turkey and I think
most of Europe ran at a different voltage than the US does.  Also, the wall
receptacles were round/  I still have a box of converter plugs used to convert
American plugs to European style.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Michael Mojher
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:10 PM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovak Wedding Gift


   Maryiln,
   There have been suggestions for gifts; digital camera and photo frame.
   How much do you know about what the cousin owns will determine if the camera
is good idea. Does the cousin own a computer? If not, how large a city does the
cousin live in? Getting the digital pictures printed in a small town or village
could be very difficult.
   I was at a wedding reception for my nephew and new Slovak niece. The gifts
were very much as you would expect in America. Since they were returning to
America money gifts were given. Much easier to pack back home.
   A secure way to send money is through Western Union. You can choose the dollar
amount and they will convert it to Slovak Koruna. Many banks in Slovakia are a
Western Union agent. The only thing to be aware of is that Western Union does
have a set number of days that the money must be picked up. I can't remember the
exact number, it is reasonable. So you can send a card telling them there is a
money gift at Western Union. You will have to find the nearest agent to your
cousin to send it to. Although any Western Union agent can honor the transfer.
   Michael

   From: Marilyn
   Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:51 AM
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [S-R] Slovak Wedding Gift

   Through my genealogical research, I found a cousin in Slovakia a couple
   of years ago. He just informed me he is getting married. What is an
   appropriate gift for the Slovak couple? Are gifts like American
   wedding gifts ok? Is money appropriate? What form of money should be
   sent? What is a safe way to send it, in a card to their address? Any
   ideas will be appreciated. In addition to the gift, I might send a
   decorative copy of the family tree showing how we are "cousins".

   Marilyn

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Greetings Marilyn, Caye, Michael, Gordon, et al....

Based on my experiences living in Bratislava from 2005-2007 and attending a
couple of weddings in Slovakia, I offer the following:

Slovakia uses 220-240 volt electricity and plugs are the same as France, two
holes for the current and a pin sticking out for the ground.  This is a
different system from most of the rest of continental Europe which is based
on the German system.  There are some plugs available now which can be used
in both French and German receptacles but I only saw them on small
appliances and occasionally a power strip.  A simple two-pin plug adapter
will work in either system if you don't need grounding of the electrical
appliance.

BEWARE, however, that such an adapter DOES NOT convert the voltage and
plugging a 110-120 volt US appliance into a 220-240 volt outlet with one of
these plug adapters will instantly fry the appliance and could be a fire
hazard.  Most small electronic these days (computers, cell phones, digital
cameras, televisions, DVD players, etc) can accept 110 or 220 volts and many
are even self-switching.  That said, I had two different colleagues who
bought digital cameras in the US without checking and it turned out the
batter y chargers were 110 volts only.

As for gifts at Slovak weddings, my experience was that only family and
close friends that were invited to the reception dinner gave gifts.  I went
to one wedding where there was a table in the back of the church and a few
people who were not invited to the reception dinner left gifts there.

Digital cameras and frames, etc, are readily available in Slovakia, even in
relatively small towns.  I had a colleague living in a small town called
Krupina in Banska Bystrica county.  The town has just under 4000 people but
had a medium-sized Tesco store with an electronics section and I wouldn't be
surprised if they had a photo section, too.  Yes, you can probably get
electronics items a bit cheaper in the US but if you mail it over the
recipient may have to pay customs duty which might not be very attractive.

Money, would probably be appreciated, too, although it doesn't have as much
enduring memorial value as a physical wedding gift does.  Yes, Western Union
does work for sending money abroad but beware it is very expensive.  I think
the service charge is about 10% of the amount you are sending.  Depending on
how much you want to send it may be cheaper to do it via international wire
transfer to the recipient's bank account.  My bank charged me a flat rate of
$25 to do that when I paid my Bratislava rent every month out of my US bank
account.  Another option might be to send a Visa gift card or a Visa travel
card preloaded with the amount of money you wish to give as a gift.  This
could be sent directly to the recipient with all the safety features Visa
has in place for mailing cards.

Given all of the above, we always looked for some uniquely American gift
that would remind the newlyweds of us.  Since we were living in south
central Pennsylvania at the time, there were a lot of American country
handicrafts available.  A quilt would be something unique and we considered
those but they were a bit bulky and heavy to mail so we settled on covered
photo albums.  These are relatively small/light to mail or carry, don't have
a high value for customs purposes, and can be put to use immediately by any
newlywed couple.  We gave several of these and they always seemed to be very
well received because it was something I never saw in any shop in Europe.
One tip, however, is to be sure to populate the album with the photo holding
filler pages because they won't be available over there and even if they
were the European page size and hole pattern is different.  Other unique
handicraft items like embroidered kitchen towels or pot holders would work,
too.

Just my two cents' worth but hope these thoughts are helpful.

Paul in NW Florida


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--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Guzowski" <guzowskip@...>
wrote:
>
> Greetings Marilyn, Caye, Michael, Gordon, et al....
>
> Based on my experiences living in Bratislava from 2005-2007 and
attending a
> couple of weddings in Slovakia, I offer the following:
>
> Slovakia uses 220-240 volt electricity and plugs are the same as
France, two
> holes for the current and a pin sticking out for the ground.  This is
a
>

Hello Group !
In addition to that, if I do remember well, the frequency in the US is
(or at least, was) 60 Hz (periods per second) instead of 50 Hz we have
in Europe. That could lead to disfunctions in some appliances,
particularly when transformers are involved.

Jacques

Our MN Rusin Association is exhibiting once again at the Festival of Nations the
first weekend in May.  This year's theme is Art and Architecture and we are
featuring the architecture of the wooden churches.  We have a "mini iconostas"
with which we need to furnish five icons plus one for behind the "altar table." 
I am trying to find pictures of icons from the same church so that the
iconography is the same style and preferably a more simple, folk style.  The
pictures must be sharp enough to be blown up so that they fit the iconostas. 
Obviously we will need one of Christ and one of the Theotokos and Christ Child. 
We will have two additional panels and would like to have Sts. Cyril and
Methodius and St. Nicholas but I am not going to be choosy...I will take
whatever I can find.  Also we need the Last Supper and something appropriate to
hang behind the altar, perhaps the Ascension.

If you have taken photos inside one of the wooden churches and are willing to
share these with us we would greatly appreciate it.  I have scoured several
books and unfortunately most of the pictures were either taken from a distance,
at an angle or have a lampada hanging in front of them.

Thank you!

Polly Russinik Walker


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Hi Eugene,
It is interesting to wonder if given names follow any particular  rules.  We
had the thread that discussed the naming of girls.  I think  it was first girl
was Mary, second one was Anna, third was Sophie, next was  Helen etc.
My grandfather was Istvan.  He was legitimate, so I do not know  if that
helps.
Noreen




  gklodzen@... writes:

Weird  question of the day: has anyone else who has worked their way
through  Slovak village records noticed that the name "David" is
usually a male who  was born illegitimate? I know Vladimir B. has
mentioned in the past that  illegitimate children were often given
unusual names, but David doesn't  strike me as unusual...think King
David in the Bible... Maybe it's this  particular village's favorite
name for illegitimate boys?? (I do see other  odd names for these
boys, but David pops up over and over.)

Julie,  I've noticed that Stephen (Istvan in the Hungarian) is another
relatively  uncommon given name. Probably coincidence, but in my own research
the
Stephen in question was also listed as "Illegitimate"Stephen in question was
also li
in similar circumstances, for whatever reason (I make no  moral judgements)
were not married at the time of these births, in the  eyes of the Roman
Catholic Church their children were considered  "Illegitimate"Catholic Church
th
wedlock". That's somewhat different  today for sure, and a lot less
condemning
then in our ancestors time.

Eugene Klodzen








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I spent a little time playing with the names in my marriage database;
so far it only covers 1869-1899, 942 marriages.  I found 8 instances
of a groom named David, and to my surprise, all 8 were illegitimate.
I then checked the first names of all grooms noted as illegitimate
(57 names), and they're all over the place, common names like
Josephus and less common ones like Thobias, but it does feel like
there's a higher incidence of less-common names than in the
population of legitimately-born grooms in this village. For example,
Fabianus appeared 4 times, 3 of which were illegitimate; Marcus 3
times, all illegitimate.

I also checked brides' names (brides labeled illegitimate; 44 total);
again, all over the place, a few less-common ones such as Ludmilla
and Juditha.  Off-hand, I found no obvious correlations here as I did
with David, where a particular name really seemed to signal
illegitimacy.

I've noticed that a number of the illegitimate grooms come from a
particular village not too far away...not sure how much to read into
that...

Julie Michutka
jmm@...




On Apr 5, 2008, at 7:31 PM, nhasior@... wrote:

>
> Hi Eugene,
> It is interesting to wonder if given names follow any particular
> rules.  We
> had the thread that discussed the naming of girls.  I think  it was
> first girl
> was Mary, second one was Anna, third was Sophie, next was  Helen etc.
> My grandfather was Istvan.  He was legitimate, so I do not know  if
> that
> helps.
> Noreen

Noreen, Paul and Julie,

Thanks so much for your comments. In my family research if the custom  of
naming the first son after the father had been followed, first son  would have
been named Joseph, but that was not what was  found. First daughter (second
child) was indeed Mary, though she was  recorded as "Illegitimate", as was third
child, a son. As all of  this occurred over one hundred twenty-eight years ago
who to  say why? I could speculate, sure, but I would certainly never presume
to judge my ancestors. After all, without them I would not be sitting here
typing this email. Life is good, and a wonderful gift!

Best regards,
Eugene


In a message dated 4/5/2008 7:31:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nhasior@... writes:

Hi  Eugene,
It is interesting to wonder if given names follow any particular  rules. We
had the thread that discussed the naming of girls. I think it  was first girl
was Mary, second one was Anna, third was Sophie, next was  Helen etc.
My grandfather was Istvan. He was legitimate, so I do not know  if that
helps.
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Is it possible that "illegitimate" is used when the parents are not both of the
same religion?

gklodzen@... wrote:
Noreen, Paul and Julie,

Thanks so much for your comments. In my family research if the custom of
naming the first son after the father had been followed, first son would have
been named Joseph, but that was not what was found. First daughter (second
child) was indeed Mary, though she was recorded as "Illegitimate", as was third
child, a son. As all of this occurred over one hundred twenty-eight years ago
who to say why? I could speculate, sure, but I would certainly never presume
to judge my ancestors. After all, without them I would not be sitting here
typing this email. Life is good, and a wonderful gift!

Best regards,
Eugene


In a message dated 4/5/2008 7:31:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nhasior@... writes:

Hi Eugene,
It is interesting to wonder if given names follow any particular rules. We
had the thread that discussed the naming of girls. I think it was first girl
was Mary, second one was Anna, third was Sophie, next was Helen etc.
My grandfather was Istvan. He was legitimate, so I do not know if that
helps.
Noreen

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Greetings,

Good point about the frequency of European current, Jacques.  Some
electronics and appliances are frequency sensitive.  Items with AC motors
like electric motor (not digital) clocks and record turntables will run
slow.  One should also avoid running a 110v, 60hz microwave oven on 50hz
even with a transformer.  Other personal appliances like hair dryers may run
slow and as a consequence overheat.

Paul in NW Florida.


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On Apr 6, 2008, at 10:26 AM, MA Bensh wrote:

> Is it possible that "illegitimate" is used when the parents are not
> both of the same religion?

Someone like Vladimir B can better answer this question, as he has
done research in any number of villages; but my sense is that no,
it's not used that way, and certainly not in the village I'm
researching.  For one thing, there's only one church in the village
(same for a couple of the neighboring villages), so as far as I can
tell the population is 99.9% Roman Catholic and a handful of Jewish
families. Very occasionally I have come across a marriage between a
Catholic and a non-Catholic; once I found a baptismal record where
the mother's maiden name was one of the Jewish family names in the
area, that was surprising.  Also, illegitimate child can become
legitimate if the parents later marry; a note is added to the
baptismal record (which would have originally noted that child being
baptized as illegitimate).  I assume that these later-legitimated
children would *not* be labeled illegitimate in their own marriage
record, but I'd have to double-check a couple instances in my files
to be sure.  And of course, my caveat is that this is what I have
found in the few villages I myself have searched; I hesitate to
generalize beyond my own findings, but offer my observations as a
springboard for others' own musings and research.

Julie Michutka
jmm@...

Hello from Arkansas -
I am new to the Slovak Roots Group and have not  yet had time to introduce
myself.  I am researching the history of the 1894 settlement of our farming
community, Slovak, Arkansas (formerly called Slovaktown).
Your request for icons interests me because there was a Russian Orthodox Church
here at that time, but  little is known of it's history.  I have been loaned a
picture of the church exterior  and an interior group photo.
  Behind the group, is an archway  to the altar area with a door on either side. 
Across the wall area and above the doors are what I would call icons. On the
wall above the altar crucifix  is a single icon. There are 12 small icons in
all.  Through the open door to my left is a larger picture of Christ praying
with the light of God shining on him. Most of the icons are not clear but are
recognizable. This is a good clear picture otherwise.  Some tapestries are shown
also.  The church and cemetery  are known as  St. Marys Russian Orthodox . That
Church building  burned and a second one was later built. When the congregation
dwindled, the building was  moved to Stuttgart and still stands as a Hall
building for the Episcopalian Church.
  Another church of that time remains.   It is Saints Cyril and Methodius
Catholic Church and cemetery.  A former resident has sent an icon type picture
of Sts. Cyril and Methodius which is displayed there.  This information may not
be of any use to you but I hope some of the readers find it interesting .  I
would like to know where to find information to better inform me of this
religion.

If any of you have ties to the Slovak community here, I would love to hear from
you.
Thank you,
Linda Uhiren



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From: Paw1776
To:
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Sent: 4/5/2008 5:44:18 PM
Subject: [SPAM][S-R] Need Icon pictures!


Our MN Rusin Association is exhibiting once again at the Festival of Nations the
first weekend in May. This year's theme is Art and Architecture and we are
featuring the architecture of the wooden churches. We have a "mini iconostas"
with which we need to furnish five icons plus one for behind the "altar table."
I am trying to find pictures of icons from the same church so that the
iconography is the same style and preferably a more simple, folk style. The
pictures must be sharp enough to be blown up so that they fit the iconostas.
Obviously we will need one of Christ and one of the Theotokos and Christ Child.
We will have two additional panels and would like to have Sts. Cyril and
Methodius and St. Nicholas but I am not going to be choosy...I will take
whatever I can find. Also we need the Last Supper and something appropriate to
hang behind the altar, perhaps the Ascension.

If you have taken photos inside one of the wooden churches and are willing to
share these with us we would greatly appreciate it. I have scoured several books
and unfortunately most of the pictures were either taken from a distance, at an
angle or have a lampada hanging in front of them.

Thank you!

Polly Russinik Walker

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Eugene,
You are most welcome and it is interesting to see customs of our
grandparents and great grandparents.  I lost all four of my  grandparents long
before I
became old enough to know them.  It is a  great loss historically and genealogy
has given me insight into myself and  my parents and our collective past.  It
is sharing this with  other folks who share this passion that makes it so
wonderful.
Noreen



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In a message dated 4/6/2008 3:18:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  nhasior@a
ol.com writes:

You  are most welcome and it is interesting to see customs of our
grandparents  and great grandparents. I lost all four of my grandparents long
before I
became old enough to know them. It is a great loss historically and
genealogy
has given me insight into myself and my parents and our  collective past. It
is sharing this with other folks who share this  passion that makes it so
wonderful.
Noreen



It is the same situation with me, Noreen, and I agree with you  completely.
I've learned more of   my grandparents  through research (starting with Bill
Tarkulich's excellent  website)  and groups like this in the last four years
then in all past years combined.

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--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Guzowski" <guzowskip@...>
wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Good point about the frequency of European current, Jacques.  Some
> electronics and appliances are frequency sensitive.


>Hi group ,
One more point about gifts offered to Europeans.If you intend to offer
DVD's, make sure you are sending "Region Code 2" DVD's and not
a "Region Code 1"one as sold in the US and Canada, otherwise they won't
be able to play them on current DVD players sold in EU.Moreover a lot
of European DVD players don't play the NSTC Standard, but the Pal/Secam
one.
Many apologies for this additional drawback.
Jacques

Linda:

You can find information about the Orthodox religion and the Orthodox Church in
America on the following website:

http://www.oca.org/QAIndex.asp?SID=3

Polly


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Hello Linda,

Thanks for the very interesting information from Slovaktown. I
collect information about out-of-the-way Carpatho-Rusyn immigrant
communities in the U.S.  I have some sketchy information about an
Orthodox church in Slovaktown (the only other Orthodox church
anywhere nearby was in Hartshorne, Oklahoma, not exactly close at
325 miles away!), but would love to obtain any photographs.  I have
an old article in Russian about an Orthodox bishop's visitation of
both places circa 1910. The Hartshorne church was also founded by
Carpatho-Rusyns, and still exists today.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?
articleID=070729_1_A13_iEdit05642

Is it possible for you to scan these photographs and either post
them in the files section here or email them to me?

Thank you!
Rich Custer

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Uhiren"
<lindauhiren@...> wrote:
>
> Hello from Arkansas -
> I am new to the Slovak Roots Group and have not  yet had time to
introduce myself.  I am researching the history of the 1894
settlement of our farming community, Slovak, Arkansas (formerly
called Slovaktown).
> Your request for icons interests me because there was a Russian
Orthodox Church here at that time, but  little is known of it's
history.  I have been loaned a picture of the church exterior  and
an interior group photo.
>  Behind the group, is an archway  to the altar area with a door on
either side.  Across the wall area and above the doors are what I
would call icons. On the wall above the altar crucifix  is a single
icon. There are 12 small icons in all.  Through the open door to my
left is a larger picture of Christ praying with the light of God
shining on him. Most of the icons are not clear but are
recognizable. This is a good clear picture otherwise.  Some
tapestries are shown also.  The church and cemetery  are known as
St. Marys Russian Orthodox . That Church building  burned and a
second one was later built. When the congregation dwindled, the
building was  moved to Stuttgart and still stands as a Hall building
for the Episcopalian Church.
>  Another church of that time remains.   It is Saints Cyril and
Methodius Catholic Church and cemetery.  A former resident has sent
an icon type picture of Sts. Cyril and Methodius which is displayed
there.  This information may not be of any use to you but I hope
some of the readers find it interesting .  I would like to know
where to find information to better inform me of this religion.
>
> If any of you have ties to the Slovak community here, I would love
to hear from you.
> Thank you,
> Linda Uhiren
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paw1776
> To: rusynheritage@yahoogroups.com;rusyns@yahoogroups.com;slovak-
roots@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 4/5/2008 5:44:18 PM
> Subject: [SPAM][S-R] Need Icon pictures!
>
>
> Our MN Rusin Association is exhibiting once again at the Festival
of Nations the first weekend in May. This year's theme is Art and
Architecture and we are featuring the architecture of the wooden
churches. We have a "mini iconostas" with which we need to furnish
five icons plus one for behind the "altar table." I am trying to
find pictures of icons from the same church so that the iconography
is the same style and preferably a more simple, folk style. The
pictures must be sharp enough to be blown up so that they fit the
iconostas. Obviously we will need one of Christ and one of the
Theotokos and Christ Child. We will have two additional panels and
would like to have Sts. Cyril and Methodius and St. Nicholas but I
am not going to be choosy...I will take whatever I can find. Also we
need the Last Supper and something appropriate to hang behind the
altar, perhaps the Ascension.
>
> If you have taken photos inside one of the wooden churches and are
willing to share these with us we would greatly appreciate it. I
have scoured several books and unfortunately most of the pictures
were either taken from a distance, at an angle or have a lampada
hanging in front of them.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Polly Russinik Walker
>
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>
>
>
>
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>

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jcotteret"
<jacques.cotteret@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Guzowski" <guzowskip@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Good point about the frequency of European current, Jacques.  Some
> > electronics and appliances are frequency sensitive.
>
>
> >Hi group ,
> One more point about gifts offered to Europeans.If you intend to offer
> DVD's, make sure you are sending "Region Code 2" DVD's and not
> a "Region Code 1"one as sold in the US and Canada, otherwise they won't
> be able to play them on current DVD players sold in EU.Moreover a lot
> of European DVD players don't play the NSTC Standard, but the Pal/Secam
> one.
> Many apologies for this additional drawback.
> Jacques
>
Another good point, Jacques.  I would add, however, that there are
region-free DVD players available in Europe and the US but one has to
seek them out and they are more expensive.  Chances are that the
average person buying a DVD player at someplace like Tesco, Wal Mart,
or the like got a machine limited to the region where it was
purchased.  That said, both the DVD player and VCR that I bought in
Europe while recently there would play NTSC on a PAL TV.  Still, this
can be very confusing for someone who hasn't dealt with it before.

Paul in NW Florida