If you are searching in Cleveland,you are in luck because my town has
many resources available to you. Cleveland has a rich Rusyn history. I
have included a few links that are good for searching.
Barb-a-Rova,although a Polish neighborhood had many folk with Slovak
heritage.

Cleve.'s Southside even better.If Your Family was Religious,you have
St.Joseph's,Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit and St.Theodoseus among others.All of
The Byzantine Faith.

Cleveland Slovak tradition is strong!

The link for Blue street Cleve.'s South side is up and down for
maintenace,but just keep trying.

http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/html/obit.html?sessionid=01-1964-1608422346
<http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/html/obit.html?sessionid=01-1964-1608422346>
http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/html/obit.html?sessionid=01-1964-1608422346
<http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/html/obit.html?sessionid=01-1964-1608422346>
http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/
<http://probate.cuyahogacounty.us/ml/>
http://www.zodiacal.com/barbarowa/trees/
<http://www.zodiacal.com/barbarowa/trees/>
http://www.bluetreeart.com/ClevelandSouthside/index.html
<http://www.bluetreeart.com/ClevelandSouthside/index.html>

Good Luck Searching,Dennis





Good Luck! Dennis



--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "sue_groh" <sue_groh@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to all!
>
> After spending more than a few years poking around trying to find my
> family's history, I finally feel I have a little bit of a handle on
> my dad's euro-roots, after obtaining a copy of his birth
> certificate. He was born in Minneapolis, MN, in 1915, one of the
> stops in his family's journeys in the U.S.
>
> His parents, Paul and Katherine (Duracenski, Durac'insky) Groh both
> passed away years before I was born, and what little my dad told us
> of their life never made much sense to me. I have gleaned
> information from an aunt (who has since passed on), and cousins, but
> nothing with any real meat about their country of birth.
>
> My dad's birth certificate says that he was born at a residence at
> 106 Cooper St. S., which I have determined was in Bohemian Flats in
> that city in 1915. His parents' birthplaces are both listed as
> Austro Hungary. His mother's name is written twice on the
> certificate, once as Durac/inski, and then as Duracenski, so I
> believe the writer may have been having trouble understanding the
> spelling.
>
> It is reputed that my grandfather took the family along wherever he
> thought he'd find work, and that they lived for a time in Kansas,
> Minnesota, and Ohio before settling in Pennsylvania in the 1920s.
>
> Durac'insky is a spelling I have found with reference to people in
> Cleveland, so I am now going to investigate whether that is why the
> family spent time there, and why their only daughter lived and
> married there. My grandfather was alleged to have had a half-brother
> (Peter? who had immigrated) who had a disagreement with him and
> refused to talk to him for the rest of his life, so there may be a
> whole line of Grohs with whom I'm not acquainted.
>
> I look forward to watching the board and asking questions when I
> think you can help me.
>




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Beta.

Hello Sue,
Welcome to the group.
Key to this search is narrowing down with some certainty the ancestral
village.  We've done a lot with Austro-Hungary and the group here is pretty
good at sorting out the countries, past and present.  There are several
sources, but first, you need to collect some info based to ensure when we
find "hits" we can achieve positive ID.
For the parents, (who were the immigrants):
1.  Approx. birth year (you can be off +- 10 years, we all start that way)
2. Religion (original and/or last known)
3. Stated Ethnicity (Czech, Slovak, Polish, Hungarian, Slovene, etc.)
4. Languages spoken
5. Approximate marriage year and location (US or Europe) (must be before
1915)
6. Birth years of other siblings and where born (US or Europe)
7. Were they ever naturalized?

And about your work.  What research have you done?
- Ellis Island manifests
- Children's birth certificates are interesting, but the church ledger is
more interesting.
- Naturalization

John has given you some hits based on various databases online.
I will also ask you to do some place-name identification homework.
Here are some ideas:  http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ancestral_village.htm
Oftentimes the life events that happened to the immigrant after will not be
helpful.

Looking forward to your reply,
Bill



-----Original Message-----
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sue_groh
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:21 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Let me introduce myself!

Hello to all!

After spending more than a few years poking around trying to find my
family's history, I finally feel I have a little bit of a handle on
my dad's euro-roots, after obtaining a copy of his birth
certificate.  He was born in Minneapolis, MN, in 1915, one of the
stops in his family's journeys in the U.S.

His parents, Paul and Katherine (Duracenski, Durac'insky) Groh both
passed away years before I was born, and what little my dad told us
of their life never made much sense to me.  I have gleaned
information from an aunt (who has since passed on), and cousins, but
nothing with any real meat about their country of birth.

My dad's birth certificate says that he was born at a residence at
106 Cooper St. S., which I have determined was in Bohemian Flats in
that city in 1915.  His parents' birthplaces are both listed as
Austro Hungary.  His mother's name is written twice on the
certificate, once as Durac/inski, and then as Duracenski, so I
believe the writer may have been having trouble understanding the
spelling.

It is reputed that my grandfather took the family along wherever he
thought he'd find work, and that they lived for a time in Kansas,
Minnesota, and Ohio before settling in Pennsylvania in the 1920s.

Durac'insky is a spelling I have found with reference to people in
Cleveland, so I am now going to investigate whether that is why the
family spent time there, and why their only daughter lived and
married there.  My grandfather was alleged to have had a half-brother
(Peter? who had immigrated) who had a disagreement with him and
refused to talk to him for the rest of his life, so there may be a
whole line of Grohs with whom I'm not acquainted.

I look forward to watching the board and asking questions when I
think you can help me.



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i have 2 listings for that surname - both with roots
in Kolackov SPIS - can contact me directly if you want
to get in touch with the listers.

helene


--- johnqadam <johnqadam@...> wrote:

> Apologies for the lack of tabluar format.
>
> Ellis Island provides the following transcript
> spellings and origins.
>
> Ellis Island name Ellis Island place 1828 Village
> name
>  County
> Duracsinski, Kata Bitarowa Bittarova,  TRENCSEN
> MEGYE
> Duracsinszki, Vendel Iglo, Hungary Spišská Nová Ves
>  SZEPES MEGYE
> Duraczinnky, Joh. Poprad Poprad SZEPES MEGYE
> Duraczinsky, Ernst Kolacskon Kolacsko SZEPES MEGYE
> Duracinski, Ernest Kolacska, Hungary Kolacsko
>  SZEPES MEGYE
> Duracinski, Ferencz Kolacska, Hungary Kolacsko
>  SZEPES MEGYE
> Duracinski, Zuzia Kolacska, Hungary Kolacsko
>  SZEPES MEGYE
> Duracsinski, Vendel Kolacsko Kolacsko SZEPES MEGYE
> Duracsinsky, Jozsef
> Duracsinsky, Maria Hata Hanr Possibly Huncovce,
> Slovakia,
> formerly known as Hunfalu (or Hunsdorf) Szepes
> Duracsinslar, Mihaly
> Duracsinszky, Janos Kaczoin, Hungary
> Duracsinszky, Katalin Kaczoin, Hungary
>
> Current phone listings provide the following
> villages for various
> spellings of surname.
>
> Bardejov   
> Batizovce   
> Bratislava   
> Hrabušice   
> Kežmarok   
> Kolačkov   
> Košice   
> Nižné Ružbachy   
> Nova Lubovna   
> Podolínec   
> Poprad   
> Rajecké Teplice   
> Spišská Nová Ves   
> Stará Lubovňa   
> Stranany , Velky Lipnik   
> Velká Lomnica   
> Žilina   
>
> With virtual certainty, your clan came from the
> former Szepes Megye =
> county based upon both Ellis Island and current
> phone listings. You
> will need to figure out which particular village
> before you can make
> progress with historic churc records.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>



      
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions.  I am going to compile a list
of questions to ask my cousins in (south) Cleveland on my next trip,
possibly in January.  I plan to take my scanner along so that I can
copy the family photos they have, also.  I'll speak with them in
advance to see if there are any documents available to peruse.

In the meantime, I'll use the links I've received to do what I can here.

Again, thank you - I'll post if/when I come up with anything concrete.

Dear Michael:

Thank you very much for sharing your observations and insights  with us
regarding the current events in Slovakia.  I found your  observations to be very
helpful.  Thank you for sharing your experiences  with us. .I wish you and
everyone  else on Slovak Roots a Happy New Year!

Best regards,

David Michael Baloga



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>>> I'll speak with them in advance to see if there are any documents
available to peruse. <<<

Let's be clear, the ONLY information you need to establish in order to
acquire and research the old church records at your local LDS Family
History Center is >>> the name of the Hungarian (now Slovak) village
and the religion <<<.

We are pretty sure that you should be in Szepes/Spis Megye = county.
You already have a list of possible village names. The other clue is
that the two named families likely lived within TWO villages distance
of each other. If you can nail one village, the other will likely fall
into place.

Good luck.

John and Michael;

You have some good insights from your visits.  Yes, there are some people
(mostly young ones) moving abroad to work, especially to the UK and Ireland
where the cost of living is very high and, hence, so are the wages.  I heard
and read about this when I lived in Budapest and Vilnius, too, and
encountered a few of them when I was visiting St Andrews, Scotland, for a
few rounds of golf with my brother.  But the statistics do not show these
numbers to be staggering though nearly everyone I met claims to have a
relative or friend living/working abroad.  Some of these are students
working while they study abroad and some are seasonal workers (like in the
Austrian ski resorts).

Michael mentioned exodus from the villages, but they weren't all going
abroad.  Many of those young graduates were moving to the big cities or
staying there if they went to university there because there were better
employment opportunities.  It's not unlike the migration we have had from
the country to the city in the US.  It's anecdotal, I know, but only one of
the six interpreter/translators we employed in Bratislava was originally
from Bratislava.  It is also true, from my observation, that foreign
investment in Slovakia has provided many job opportunities that allow
Slovaks to find good employment at home in lieu of going abroad.

While there are many Slovaks going abroad to work legally, there are still
some (as from virtually every central and eastern European country) doing so
in ways which skirt the law.  Some have traveled to the US on a tourist visa
and worked (which is not permitted on a tourist visa) and overstayed the
90-day visa limit.  This has been part of the problem removing the visa
requirement for Slovaks, Poles, Hungarians, Lithuanians, and others to visit
the US.  I believe the numbers of these cases are diminishing for the
reasons stated above and am confident the visa requirement will be
eliminated sooner rather than later.


As usual, just my two cents.  Of course everyone is entitled to his/her own
opinion but no one is entitled to his/her own facts.  For those who would
like to delve into the facts, I've included a couple of links below:

http://portal.statistics.sk/showdoc.do?docid=359
http://www.bls.gov/bls/other.htm

Paul in NW FL
Bratislava 2005-2007


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I would like to know how was living in the end of 19th in the austrian
hungarian empire, in Moravia (Lipnik Nad Becvou). Could I supose that
people that wanted to migrate used to use the northern railway?
Someone has a clue about habits, traditions, school habits. How was be
a kid, man and woman in those days?
thanks
chris

Peasant life was very much the same all over Europe in the 19th century with
only minor variations and of course language differences. An excellent book
dealing with the kind of questions you pose is Proper Peasants by Fel and
Hofer. Although it is the description of a single village in Hungary, there
will be many similarities in the lives of your Moravian ancestors. I also
suggest you investigate all the material found at www.iarelative.com/czech/.

There you will find discussions of customs as well as some heart-rending
biographies and many links to further information.



Janet



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From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of c_gromann
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:54 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] way of living



I would like to know how was living in the end of 19th in the austrian
hungarian empire, in Moravia (Lipnik Nad Becvou). Could I supose that
people that wanted to migrate used to use the northern railway?
Someone has a clue about habits, traditions, school habits. How was be
a kid, man and woman in those days?
thanks
chris





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Hi Paul =

cannot disagree with your statemtns, but am here in Stara Lubovna and
have run across a lot of people who commute to jobs in the west of
Europe.  I was even offered some Netherlans beer one brought back
home.   It seems ´on the surface ´that export of labor from Eastern
Slovakia is quite healthy, as it has been historically.

Will be down in Blava in a few days to accompany two cousins as they
go in for visitor visas.  The embassy has been cold to any request on
my part for me to talk to them and see what they find to be the
problem.  I get the impression 99 percent of it depends upon the
interview and not the invitation.  Well, wish us luck.  If they make
it to Alaska this summer they will see things beyond their imagination.

Best to all of you out there =

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Guzowski" <guzowskip@...>
wrote:
>
> Greetings Bill et al,
>
> Slovakia has been in the EU for a number of years now and the exodus
to work
> elsewhere has not been as great as the naysayers expected, at least
as far I
> heard and read during my two years living and working in Bratislava.
  True,
> there were a number of day workers making the trip across into
Austria as
> day workers but none of the young translator/interpreters we had
wanted to
> relocate permanently abroad.  In fact, there was a survey of
students while
> I was there and something like 70% said they had no intention of working
> abroad.  Now that Slovakia has acceded to the Schengen group and the
borders
> with Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Austria are now completely
open as
> of last week, it will be a bit easier for day workers and tourists but I
> would be surprised if the number people emigrating increases much.
In fact,
> I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers decrease when Slovakia enters the
> euro zone next year and adopts the euro monetary unit.  During the
two years
> I lived in Slovakia, I also didn't observe a great influx of
guest/immigrant
> workers from eastern Europe as was foretold by the doomsayers.  Personal
> observations only but that's my two cents worth.
>
> All the best to everyone for a great 2008!
>
> Paul in NW FL
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Greetings from Slovakia, Bill!

Just enjoyed my first day skiing in Slovakia at the local Lubovna
Kupella area.  Had two young cousins who waited out teh expereince and
a young snow boarder along trying it for the first time in a ski area.
  He was part of a group who put together an internet movie of boarding
in some area of S. Lubovna.  I will try to get the web location to
share.  It was pretty neat at coming this far and haivng the family
name and village recognized  on the hill.

I am a bit spoiled with skiing conditions in Alaska and work with the
Nordic Ski patrol with back country and cross country skiing.  It felt
strange to put on alpine equipment after years of telemark.  God meant
skiing to be done with free heels!

Snow is adequate but nothing to brag about = but then you know skiing
starts at good and only gets better.

Maybe someday will get to the east coast to try some of your snow.

All my best =

and a Happy New Year to all!

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
<bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
>
> Merry Christmas from Metro Boston.  We have about 10" of snow
remaining with
> an ice crust atop. I'm lovin' it.  I enjoy winter sports, skiing
being my
> favorite.  I grew up way, way north of hear and learned to enjoy the
> winters.  I've skied four times so for in New England, VT, NH and
MA.  It's
> just lovely outside.  I've taken some of the most wonderful photos this
> fall.
> Genealogy gets put on hold while I bop up and down the hills.  Sorry
folks,
> but warm climes are not for me.  I am thrilled you enjoy the warm
days and
> nights and wish you all the best for the new year.
> Peace.
> Bill Tarkulich
>
> P.S., some gorgeous photos from Jackson New Hampshire
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Gil Kubancsek
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:56 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings
>
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you & yours Nick, and to all
> SLOVAK-ROOTERS & SLOVAK-WORLDERS. Here in North Huntingdon PA  it is
sunny
> and the temperatire is 40 degrees F.  No white Christmas this year!
>
>   Gil K.
>
>
> Nick Holcz <nickh@...> wrote:
>           Wishing you all Veselé Vianoce a ©tastný Nový
> Rok from Perth Western Australia where the temperature is
> 106degrees F and going for more tomorrow.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
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Well I added more videos to: http://www.youtube.com/vladi49

Including Christmases carols.

Vladi

Ron,
     I couldn't help but write you since you are in my "hood" in Slovakia. My
ancestral villages are Plavnica and Hromos. They are within five miles east of
Lubovna Kupele. On my first trip we used the hotel at the Lubovna Kupele as our
base. In 2001 we paid the equivalent of $15 for a "suite". Which was a living
room unit and a bedroom unit. Between the Kupele and the western edge of the
High Tatras there are 23 ski resorts. My skiing relatives think of the Kupele as
the "bunny" slope. You can work your way to the Olympic level resorts at the
High Tatras. As you gain in altitude the snow conditions should improve.
Michael Mojher
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ron Matviyak
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:54 AM
   Subject: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings


   Greetings from Slovakia, Bill!

   Just enjoyed my first day skiing in Slovakia at the local Lubovna
   Kupella area. Had two young cousins who waited out teh expereince and
   a young snow boarder along trying it for the first time in a ski area.
   He was part of a group who put together an internet movie of boarding
   in some area of S. Lubovna. I will try to get the web location to
   share. It was pretty neat at coming this far and haivng the family
   name and village recognized on the hill.

   I am a bit spoiled with skiing conditions in Alaska and work with the
   Nordic Ski patrol with back country and cross country skiing. It felt
   strange to put on alpine equipment after years of telemark. God meant
   skiing to be done with free heels!

   Snow is adequate but nothing to brag about = but then you know skiing
   starts at good and only gets better.

   Maybe someday will get to the east coast to try some of your snow.

   All my best =

   and a Happy New Year to all!

   Ron

   --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
   <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
   >
   > Merry Christmas from Metro Boston. We have about 10" of snow
   remaining with
   > an ice crust atop. I'm lovin' it. I enjoy winter sports, skiing
   being my
   > favorite. I grew up way, way north of hear and learned to enjoy the
   > winters. I've skied four times so for in New England, VT, NH and
   MA. It's
   > just lovely outside. I've taken some of the most wonderful photos this
   > fall.
   > Genealogy gets put on hold while I bop up and down the hills. Sorry
   folks,
   > but warm climes are not for me. I am thrilled you enjoy the warm
   days and
   > nights and wish you all the best for the new year.
   > Peace.
   > Bill Tarkulich
   >
   > P.S., some gorgeous photos from Jackson New Hampshire
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
   > Behalf Of Gil Kubancsek
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:56 PM
   > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings
   >
   > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you & yours Nick, and to all
   > SLOVAK-ROOTERS & SLOVAK-WORLDERS. Here in North Huntingdon PA it is
   sunny
   > and the temperatire is 40 degrees F. No white Christmas this year!
   >
   > Gil K.
   >
   >
   > Nick Holcz <nickh@...> wrote:
   > Wishing you all Veselé Vianoce a ©tastný Nový
   > Rok from Perth Western Australia where the temperature is
   > 106degrees F and going for more tomorrow.
   >
   > Nick
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
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   Search.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zupDFtXJQk


Vladi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfh--7-OxHg

Vladi

I received a Christmas card from a possible family member from my
family village in The Slovak Republic.  However, it's not in english
and I can't read it.  Would someone be willing to translate it for me
if I scan it and email a copy to you?

Ron,
The story back in 1997 was that the visitor had to have
$100 a day in cash, and a compelling reason to return to Slovakia
after the trip.  I.E., own a home, be enrolled in university, etc.
Without that, the consul was required to deny the visa.
Not sure it is still that way.
http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec

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Nice neighborhood you have, Michael!  I can't help but think it would
be a good ski run from the top of the hill into Plavnica.  Yes, the
Lubovna hill is gentle, but we hit it with 5 of us today, at least two
of whom have not skiid in 25 years.  The 15 year old new slowboarder
is sawing logs at the moment, he had a good workout.  This old dog is
doing well, better than the younger ones who did not ski for so long.
  It was a birthday celebration and just had a helping of home made
apricot brandy.  It seems I drink a lot of 'domov' over here!

Tomorrow should be a day - half a day probably - at Visny Ruzbachy for
us surviors.  For me it is more important who I am with rather than
where I am at. In Alaska I can chose any degree of difficulty.  I have
patrolled a hill on the air force base about as gentle as Lubovna,
easily on my cross country skis.  The joy was in seeing so many
smiling faces today.

Ron
PS Serious ambitions I hold for Donalvy or Jasna someday. The High
Tatras are reputed to have the alpine beauty but not the great snow.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@...>
wrote:
>
> Ron,
>     I couldn't help but write you since you are in my "hood" in
Slovakia. My ancestral villages are Plavnica and Hromos. They are
within five miles east of Lubovna Kupele. On my first trip we used the
hotel at the Lubovna Kupele as our base. In 2001 we paid the
equivalent of $15 for a "suite". Which was a living room unit and a
bedroom unit. Between the Kupele and the western edge of the High
Tatras there are 23 ski resorts. My skiing relatives think of the
Kupele as the "bunny" slope. You can work your way to the Olympic
level resorts at the High Tatras. As you gain in altitude the snow
conditions should improve.
> Michael Mojher
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ron Matviyak
>   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:54 AM
>   Subject: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings
>
>
>   Greetings from Slovakia, Bill!
>
>   Just enjoyed my first day skiing in Slovakia at the local Lubovna
>   Kupella area. Had two young cousins who waited out teh expereince and
>   a young snow boarder along trying it for the first time in a ski area.
>   He was part of a group who put together an internet movie of boarding
>   in some area of S. Lubovna. I will try to get the web location to
>   share. It was pretty neat at coming this far and haivng the family
>   name and village recognized on the hill.
>
>   I am a bit spoiled with skiing conditions in Alaska and work with the
>   Nordic Ski patrol with back country and cross country skiing. It felt
>   strange to put on alpine equipment after years of telemark. God meant
>   skiing to be done with free heels!
>
>   Snow is adequate but nothing to brag about = but then you know skiing
>   starts at good and only gets better.
>
>   Maybe someday will get to the east coast to try some of your snow.
>
>   All my best =
>
>   and a Happy New Year to all!
>
>   Ron
>
>   --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
>   <bill.tarkulich@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Merry Christmas from Metro Boston. We have about 10" of snow
>   remaining with
>   > an ice crust atop. I'm lovin' it. I enjoy winter sports, skiing
>   being my
>   > favorite. I grew up way, way north of hear and learned to enjoy the
>   > winters. I've skied four times so for in New England, VT, NH and
>   MA. It's
>   > just lovely outside. I've taken some of the most wonderful
photos this
>   > fall.
>   > Genealogy gets put on hold while I bop up and down the hills. Sorry
>   folks,
>   > but warm climes are not for me. I am thrilled you enjoy the warm
>   days and
>   > nights and wish you all the best for the new year.
>   > Peace.
>   > Bill Tarkulich
>   >
>   > P.S., some gorgeous photos from Jackson New Hampshire
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
>   [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
>   > Behalf Of Gil Kubancsek
>   > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:56 PM
>   > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings
>   >
>   > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you & yours Nick, and to all
>   > SLOVAK-ROOTERS & SLOVAK-WORLDERS. Here in North Huntingdon PA it is
>   sunny
>   > and the temperatire is 40 degrees F. No white Christmas this year!
>   >
>   > Gil K.
>   >
>   >
>   > Nick Holcz <nickh@> wrote:
>   > Wishing you all Veselé Vianoce a ©tastný Nový
>   > Rok from Perth Western Australia where the temperature is
>   > 106degrees F and going for more tomorrow.
>   >
>   > Nick
>   >
>   >
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Ron,
     The one season I haven't done in Slovakia is winter during my five trips. My
aversion to snow was driven in by Mother who said the best thing that ever
happened to her was moving from PA to CA. In my younger years I was torn between
snow skiing and scuba diving. I choose diving; no crowds and it could be done
year round. Although as California's like to say, "Ski in the morning, surf in
the afternoon." Also being raised in the Delta most of our recreation was water
oriented.
     I know last year was not a good snow year in Slovakia. If I recall correctly
they didn't get their first major storm until late January or early February. I
should go online a check out the live cams from the different resorts there and
see how things are this year.
     I haven't had any of the apricot brandy. I'll have to look into that on my
next trip. The homemade slivovitz, plum brandy, is superior to the commercial
stuff. Besides they now limit it to 104 proof. The homemade stuff is usually
higher.
     The natural caldera's swimming pool at Visny Ruzbachy should be nice for
what's aching after skiing.
     When you get home I would like to hear from you. I'm always interested in
hearing what you thought of Slovakia.
Michael
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ron Matviyak
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:09 AM
   Subject: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings



   Nice neighborhood you have, Michael! I can't help but think it would
   be a good ski run from the top of the hill into Plavnica. Yes, the
   Lubovna hill is gentle, but we hit it with 5 of us today, at least two
   of whom have not skiid in 25 years. The 15 year old new slowboarder
   is sawing logs at the moment, he had a good workout. This old dog is
   doing well, better than the younger ones who did not ski for so long.
   It was a birthday celebration and just had a helping of home made
   apricot brandy. It seems I drink a lot of 'domov' over here!

   Tomorrow should be a day - half a day probably - at Visny Ruzbachy for
   us surviors. For me it is more important who I am with rather than
   where I am at. In Alaska I can chose any degree of difficulty. I have
   patrolled a hill on the air force base about as gentle as Lubovna,
   easily on my cross country skis. The joy was in seeing so many
   smiling faces today.

   Ron
   PS Serious ambitions I hold for Donalvy or Jasna someday. The High
   Tatras are reputed to have the alpine beauty but not the great snow.

   --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@...>
   wrote:
   >
   > Ron,
   > I couldn't help but write you since you are in my "hood" in
   Slovakia. My ancestral villages are Plavnica and Hromos. They are
   within five miles east of Lubovna Kupele. On my first trip we used the
   hotel at the Lubovna Kupele as our base. In 2001 we paid the
   equivalent of $15 for a "suite". Which was a living room unit and a
   bedroom unit. Between the Kupele and the western edge of the High
   Tatras there are 23 ski resorts. My skiing relatives think of the
   Kupele as the "bunny" slope. You can work your way to the Olympic
   level resorts at the High Tatras. As you gain in altitude the snow
   conditions should improve.
   > Michael Mojher
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Ron Matviyak
   > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:54 AM
   > Subject: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings
   >
   >
   > Greetings from Slovakia, Bill!
   >
   > Just enjoyed my first day skiing in Slovakia at the local Lubovna
   > Kupella area. Had two young cousins who waited out teh expereince and
   > a young snow boarder along trying it for the first time in a ski area.
   > He was part of a group who put together an internet movie of boarding
   > in some area of S. Lubovna. I will try to get the web location to
   > share. It was pretty neat at coming this far and haivng the family
   > name and village recognized on the hill.
   >
   > I am a bit spoiled with skiing conditions in Alaska and work with the
   > Nordic Ski patrol with back country and cross country skiing. It felt
   > strange to put on alpine equipment after years of telemark. God meant
   > skiing to be done with free heels!
   >
   > Snow is adequate but nothing to brag about = but then you know skiing
   > starts at good and only gets better.
   >
   > Maybe someday will get to the east coast to try some of your snow.
   >
   > All my best =
   >
   > and a Happy New Year to all!
   >
   > Ron
   >
   > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
   > <bill.tarkulich@> wrote:
   > >
   > > Merry Christmas from Metro Boston. We have about 10" of snow
   > remaining with
   > > an ice crust atop. I'm lovin' it. I enjoy winter sports, skiing
   > being my
   > > favorite. I grew up way, way north of hear and learned to enjoy the
   > > winters. I've skied four times so for in New England, VT, NH and
   > MA. It's
   > > just lovely outside. I've taken some of the most wonderful
   photos this
   > > fall.
   > > Genealogy gets put on hold while I bop up and down the hills. Sorry
   > folks,
   > > but warm climes are not for me. I am thrilled you enjoy the warm
   > days and
   > > nights and wish you all the best for the new year.
   > > Peace.
   > > Bill Tarkulich
   > >
   > > P.S., some gorgeous photos from Jackson New Hampshire
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   > [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
   > > Behalf Of Gil Kubancsek
   > > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:56 PM
   > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Holiday Greetings
   > >
   > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you & yours Nick, and to all
   > > SLOVAK-ROOTERS & SLOVAK-WORLDERS. Here in North Huntingdon PA it is
   > sunny
   > > and the temperatire is 40 degrees F. No white Christmas this year!
   > >
   > > Gil K.
   > >
   > >
   > > Nick Holcz <nickh@> wrote:
   > > Wishing you all Veselé Vianoce a ©tastný Nový
   > > Rok from Perth Western Australia where the temperature is
   > > 106degrees F and going for more tomorrow.
   > >
   > > Nick
   > >
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Thanks a lot Janet!

   Chris


Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
   Peasant life was very much the same all over Europe in the 19th century with
only minor variations and of course language differences. An excellent book
dealing with the kind of questions you pose is Proper Peasants by Fel and
Hofer. Although it is the description of a single village in Hungary, there
will be many similarities in the lives of your Moravian ancestors. I also
suggest you investigate all the material found at www.iarelative.com/czech/.

There you will find discussions of customs as well as some heart-rending
biographies and many links to further information.



Janet



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Behalf Of c_gromann
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:54 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] way of living



I would like to know how was living in the end of 19th in the austrian
hungarian empire, in Moravia (Lipnik Nad Becvou). Could I supose that
people that wanted to migrate used to use the northern railway?
Someone has a clue about habits, traditions, school habits. How was be
a kid, man and woman in those days?
thanks
chris





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Ron,
My grandfather was from Visny Ruzbachy.  I was wondering when you  speak of
Lubovna.
Some years ago, I was looking for my grandmother's village and I stumbled
into a place called Lublo Furdo.
It had a resort and a ski slope out back.  It is in the neighborhood  of Nova
Lubovna.
are you anywhere near to that?  in any event, have a great time on the
slopes and don't slack off on  doing your share of "domov"
Noreen


_rmat@..._ (mailto:rmat@...)  writes:


Nice neighborhood you have, Michael! I can't help but think it  would
be a good ski run from the top of the hill into Plavnica. Yes,  the
Lubovna hill is gentle, but we hit it with 5 of us today, at least  two
of whom have not skiid in 25 years. The 15 year old new  slowboarder
is sawing logs at the moment, he had a good workout. This old  dog is
doing well, better than the younger ones who did not ski for so  long.
It was a birthday celebration and just had a helping of home  made
apricot brandy. It seems I drink a lot of 'domov' over here!

Tomorrow should be a day - half a day probably - at Visny Ruzbachy  for
us surviors. For me it is more important who I am with rather  than
where I am at. In Alaska I can chose any degree of difficulty. I  have
patrolled a hill on the air force base about as gentle as  Lubovna,
easily on my cross country skis. The joy was in seeing so  many
smiling faces today.

Ron
PS Serious ambitions I hold for  Donalvy or Jasna someday. The High
Tatras are reputed to have the alpine  beauty but not the great snow.








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Hi Noreen -

   i am helping someone who has a document with
ancestral surname Lukasz or Lukac
  - and looks like place of origin was Lublo
(handwritten on a document and hard to read) - she has
gone thru all but one of the LDS fiches for Stara
Lubovna (waiting for the last one)- I think nova
Lubovna is on there too but  so far nothing - so i was
wondering if you know any more about that Lublo or
have any suggestions.

helene

--- nhasior@... wrote:

>
> Ron,
> My grandfather was from Visny Ruzbachy.  I was
> wondering when you  speak of
> Lubovna.
> Some years ago, I was looking for my grandmother's
> village and I stumbled
> into a place called Lublo Furdo.
> It had a resort and a ski slope out back.  It is in
> the neighborhood  of Nova
> Lubovna.
> are you anywhere near to that?  in any event, have a
> great time on the
> slopes and don't slack off on  doing your share of
> "domov"
> Noreen
>
>
> _rmat@..._ (mailto:rmat@...)
> writes:
>
>
> Nice neighborhood you have, Michael! I can't help
> but think it  would
> be a good ski run from the top of the hill into
> Plavnica. Yes,  the
> Lubovna hill is gentle, but we hit it with 5 of us
> today, at least  two
> of whom have not skiid in 25 years. The 15 year old
> new  slowboarder
> is sawing logs at the moment, he had a good workout.
> This old  dog is
> doing well, better than the younger ones who did not
> ski for so  long.
> It was a birthday celebration and just had a helping
> of home  made
> apricot brandy. It seems I drink a lot of 'domov'
> over here!
>
> Tomorrow should be a day - half a day probably - at
> Visny Ruzbachy  for
> us surviors. For me it is more important who I am
> with rather  than
> where I am at. In Alaska I can chose any degree of
> difficulty. I  have
> patrolled a hill on the air force base about as
> gentle as  Lubovna,
> easily on my cross country skis. The joy was in
> seeing so  many
> smiling faces today.
>
> Ron
> PS Serious ambitions I hold for  Donalvy or Jasna
> someday. The High
> Tatras are reputed to have the alpine  beauty but
> not the great snow.
>
>
>
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>>> she has gone thru all but one of the LDS fiches <<<

Helene, don't forget the 1869 Hungarian Census films, which are
available at LDS.

John

Noreen,

I don't know the Slovak word for BINGO, but you just scored.  I have a
flash drive with me with lots of old stuff on it and just called up
the 1912? map of Szepes county, Hungary.  Stara Lubovna is Olublo and
Lublo Furdo ( double dot over the u) is Lubovniansky Kupella where we
have been skiing.  If you do a Google search for "Szepes map 1912" or
variations then you should come up with the rather detailed map at a
.hu site.  Olublo is in the upper right corner, Lublo Furdo is very
near the Saris border and many more "Lublo" variations are in the
neighborhood.

Ah ... on the survival with domov, it was late and I saw the host's
hand reaching for the bottle and I perfectly timed a dobru noch before
another round could be poured.  I do like the stuff, but in measured
doses!  I would love to distill my own at home.

Ron


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, nhasior@... wrote:
>
>
> Ron,
> My grandfather was from Visny Ruzbachy.  I was wondering when you
speak of
> Lubovna.
> Some years ago, I was looking for my grandmother's village and I
stumbled
> into a place called Lublo Furdo.
> It had a resort and a ski slope out back.  It is in the neighborhood
  of Nova
> Lubovna.
> are you anywhere near to that?  in any event, have a great time on the
> slopes and don't slack off on  doing your share of "domov"
> Noreen
>
>
> _rmat@..._ (mailto:rmat@...)  writes:
>
>
> Nice neighborhood you have, Michael! I can't help but think it  would
> be a good ski run from the top of the hill into Plavnica. Yes,  the
> Lubovna hill is gentle, but we hit it with 5 of us today, at least  two
> of whom have not skiid in 25 years. The 15 year old new  slowboarder
> is sawing logs at the moment, he had a good workout. This old  dog is
> doing well, better than the younger ones who did not ski for so  long.
> It was a birthday celebration and just had a helping of home  made
> apricot brandy. It seems I drink a lot of 'domov' over here!
>
> Tomorrow should be a day - half a day probably - at Visny Ruzbachy  for
> us surviors. For me it is more important who I am with rather  than
> where I am at. In Alaska I can chose any degree of difficulty. I  have
> patrolled a hill on the air force base about as gentle as  Lubovna,
> easily on my cross country skis. The joy was in seeing so  many
> smiling faces today.
>
> Ron
> PS Serious ambitions I hold for  Donalvy or Jasna someday. The High
> Tatras are reputed to have the alpine  beauty but not the great snow.
>
>
>
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Hi Ron and Helene,
Just wanted to add that Luboviansky Kupella is beautiful.  I  walked down a
path while there and saw people filling plastic water bottles with  running
water coming through a pipe.  Also,  people rolled their pants  up to their
knees
and walked in the waters collecting in a pool.  It was  the spring time so of
course the ski course was not in use but people were  hiking up and down the
slopes.
Yes, I found the exact map you speak of Ron,  which has Lublo  Furdo.
This area of Slovakia apparently has many spas.
Helene, what threw my search off for my grandmother was that she listed her
village of origin as LubloFurdo, when in reality was not accurate as far as
LDS  records go.  It turned out to be Lubicke Kupele a short distance away, that
  had her birth record.  I still believe that she may have spent time in
Lubovniansky Kupella, possibly just as she and her children were leaving to join
her husband in New Jersey.  My mother used to sing about Majorka, which I
thought was her singing about a place in Spain.  In reality, she was  singing
about Majerka, which is the village where her mother's mother was born  and just
a short hop north of Lubicke Kupele.  Remembering her  song is the only reason
I found my grandmother's birth village.
I spent years searching the LDS records of both Nova Lubovna and Stara
Lubovna.  Ron mentions Olublo and this came up many times in my  search.  You
mentioned once in an email that you visited Ilhany, which is  another area of
the
Furdo (Kupelle) areas.  I must look again and send to  you the history of
Lubicke Kupele in English.  It may contain a hint.
My thought is that Lublo covers a lot of ground in Spis.
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Hello

if you send me a scanned copy I will translate it for you if it is in Slovakian
language.

Kind regards

Sylvia


----- Original Message ----
From: tlforgacs <tlforgacs@...>
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:43:15 AM
Subject: [S-R] Translation-Christmas card

I received a Christmas card from a possible family member from my
family village in The Slovak Republic. However, it's not in english
and I can't read it. Would someone be willing to translate it for me
if I scan it and email a copy to you?





      
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Thanks John for your suggestion - a super one and
thanks to all others who have helped with this and
other queries.
helene

--- johnqadam <johnqadam@...> wrote:

> >>> she has gone thru all but one of the LDS fiches
> <<<
>
> Helene, don't forget the 1869 Hungarian Census
> films, which are
> available at LDS.
>
> John
>
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hi Noreen - what wondeful info - will pass it right on
to my friend and will suggest she get on Slovak Roots,
amazing the wonderful info from members! And Ron being
right there - how lucky can we be?

helene

--- nhasior@... wrote:

>
> Hi Ron and Helene,
> Just wanted to add that Luboviansky Kupella is
> beautiful.  I  walked down a
> path while there and saw people filling plastic
> water bottles with  running
> water coming through a pipe.  Also,  people rolled
> their pants  up to their knees
> and walked in the waters collecting in a pool.  It
> was  the spring time so of
> course the ski course was not in use but people were
>  hiking up and down the
> slopes.
> Yes, I found the exact map you speak of Ron,  which
> has Lublo  Furdo.
> This area of Slovakia apparently has many spas.
> Helene, what threw my search off for my grandmother
> was that she listed her
> village of origin as LubloFurdo, when in reality was
> not accurate as far as
> LDS  records go.  It turned out to be Lubicke Kupele
> a short distance away, that
>  had her birth record.  I still believe that she may
> have spent time in
> Lubovniansky Kupella, possibly just as she and her
> children were leaving to join
> her husband in New Jersey.  My mother used to sing
> about Majorka, which I
> thought was her singing about a place in Spain.  In
> reality, she was  singing
> about Majerka, which is the village where her
> mother's mother was born  and just
> a short hop north of Lubicke Kupele.  Remembering
> her  song is the only reason
> I found my grandmother's birth village.
> I spent years searching the LDS records of both Nova
> Lubovna and Stara
> Lubovna.  Ron mentions Olublo and this came up many
> times in my  search.  You
> mentioned once in an email that you visited Ilhany,
> which is  another area of the
> Furdo (Kupelle) areas.  I must look again and send
> to  you the history of
> Lubicke Kupele in English.  It may contain a hint.
> My thought is that Lublo covers a lot of ground in
> Spis.
> Noreen
>
>
>
>
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Dear Slovak Roots Members -

    The Christmas issue of Slovakia magazine features
two folk paintings in color - the cover shows young
boys carrying the nativity scene through the village
with an onion-domed wooden church in the background;
the back cover has a wintry scene from an eastern
Slovak village with 51 villagers coming from church or
at play. Many homes are pictured as well as the tall
steepled wooden church in the background.

Inside is a center spread also in color with 18 people
in folk dress from the Slovak Embassy event in Nov.

Featured articles include Old Country Memories by
Sylvia Chai, Journey to Zniev by Margo Smith, a Roots
page, on line sites and upcoming events.

If you would like a copy please send $2 to Helene
Cincebeaux, 151 Colebrook Dr., Rochester NY 14617.

Happy New Year!!!!

helene


      
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