Thanks Bill for the information you supplied.............Happy New Year to
all!


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I don't understand. When I search on Domanic I get 36 of them for the 1920
Census, none of whom are Balint, or even begin with a B.



Janet



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Janet,

    I put in his last name of Domanic and just a B for first name to see what
results it would yield.

   Ann

Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
   How did you "find out" that Ancestry.com said he was in the 1920 Census? I
cannot see his name when I search there.



Janet







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Behalf Of Ann Fisher
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:13 AM
To: Slovak Roots
Subject: [S-R] 1920 US Census



Is there anywhere I can get a copy of the 1920 US Census without paying a
fee to join somewhere on line? Like a library or such? I was able to find
out on ancestry.com that my great grandfather Balantine Domanic is in it and
would like to find out place of residence and other members of household and
any other info it may have on him for that time. This is the great
grandfather that I was unable to find anything on for the longest time, and
my father did not know anything about him including his name. I am hoping it
will contain my great grandmother's name as he did not know that either.

   Thanks,
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Dear Joni,
Now you know where one has to search.
Go to CGSI and pick a czech researcher near Litomerice who can do that for you.
With best regards,
Vladimir

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   Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:54 PM
   Subject: Re: [S-R] Re:Birth Certificate


   In a message dated 12/31/2005 1:06:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
   konekta@... writes:

   The  pattern is; birth - marriage-birth-marriage- etc., not birth - birth-
   birth.  In a latter way you could easily pick up a wrong person with the same
   surname,  or not find it at all.
   I would also bet, that ( by knowing the usual Czech  way of writing records)
   there is more information in the actual church record  from 1875 than you
   received. if the certificate which you received was written  by a State
Registrar,
   then there is a very high probability, that it is so,  since the Registrars
   usually do not write everything. ( due to lack of space  in the Certificate
   Form).
   Vladimir




   Thank you.  All this is so logical when explained to a novice.
   What is your suggestion as to my next step?

   Joni V


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I have a marriage license of my great grandfather to his second wife in 1900
Braddock, Alleghany County, PA.  It is somewhat hard to read.  I had someone
who kindly helped me out and said he said it reads that my great grandfather
(Michael Andryko) was born in the village of Szfarona, Zemplen County,
Hungary.

My question is...I did a google search and looked through some Hungarian and
Slovaks sites and have not come across that village name...Szfarona.  I know
the name could have changed in spelling or maybe it just does not exist
anymore?  Is anyone familiar with this village name?

Thank you!


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Is the certificate from Sts. Peter & Paul Greek Catholic Church of Braddock?

If so, you are probably dealing with Rusyns rather than Slovaks.  There was a
Rusyn-inhabited village called Starina (could be the SzTarona on the
certificate) in old Zemplen County and there were families named Andrejko who
lived in that village.

There were seven Rusyn villages in that part of northeastern Slovakia (near
Snina) - Ruské, Smolnik, Velká Polana, Starina, Ostruznica, Dara, and Zvala -
that were depopulated in 1981 due to the construction of a dam on the Cirocha
River.

Bill Tarkulich's roots are in that area so he might be able to offer additional
information.

About Rusyns (or Carpatho-Rusyns), see www.c-rs.org, www.carpatho-rusyn.org,
etc.

Rich Custer

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   Subject: [S-R] Szfarona, Zemplen County, Hungary????


   I have a marriage license of my great grandfather to his second wife in 1900
   Braddock, Alleghany County, PA.  It is somewhat hard to read.  I had someone
   who kindly helped me out and said he said it reads that my great grandfather
   (Michael Andryko) was born in the village of Szfarona, Zemplen County,
   Hungary.

   My question is...I did a google search and looked through some Hungarian and
   Slovaks sites and have not come across that village name...Szfarona.  I know
   the name could have changed in spelling or maybe it just does not exist
   anymore?  Is anyone familiar with this village name?

   Thank you!


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I received an inquiry from someone looking at the Snina RC church register.
They found an occupation is listed as

"rolnik" or possibly "roluik".

Do you know what word they might possibly be referring to?



Thanks,



Bill







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This means a farmer (rolnik).

Joe

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Subject: [S-R] "rolnik" or possibly "roluik"


>I received an inquiry from someone looking at the Snina RC church register.
> They found an occupation is listed as
>
> "rolnik" or possibly "roluik".
>
> Do you know what word they might possibly be referring to?
>
>
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> Thanks,
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> Bill
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On 1/1/06, Richard D. Custer <rcuster@...> wrote:
>
>  Is the certificate from Sts. Peter & Paul Greek Catholic Church of
> Braddock?
>
> I'm not sure. A relative passed a copy on to my mother a few years ago.
It just might be.  It doesn't say though...at least not that I can tell.  It
is in Latin and under religio it has written graec. cath.  beside both of
their names.


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Hi Bill
This was a nice description of your visit to Ellis Island. Are you
aware of a of a site that shows the original signs with destinations
for the trains leaving the train station at Liberty Park.
Thanks
Mike Maristch
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
<bill.tarkulich@i...> wrote:
>
> Here is a re-run of a report I wrote five years ago about my trip
to Ellis
> Island, 6 months prior to my first trip to Slovakia and 11 months
before
> 9/11 changed many things.
> Bill
>
> My Visit To Ellis Island
> Part I – Wall of Honor, The Journey, First Impressions
> Bill Tarkulich
>
> I visited Ellis Island (EI) over the Christmas, 2000 Holiday. Here
is my
> first installment on my views and observations. Enjoy.
>
> Wall of Honor
> Regarding the wall. It's a steel, silver-colored wall, shaped like
two
> letter "C"s facing each other, placed outside adjacent to the main
building.
> It is engraved on both sides and is about 5' tall. A third wall,
which is
> straight, has names engraved on one side only (more to come). The
only names
> listed are those that donors have paid for. Remember, this is a
fund raising
> tool. It's NOT the same as the immigrant transcription project.
They raised
> $150 million in PRIVATE funds through various means to restore the
main
> building. A very impressive sum of money.
>
> Each name costs $100 each to have engraved. A husband and wife's
names costs
> $200. In my opinion it's worth it. www.wallofhonor.com explains it
all,
> including how many names are engraved. The wall is silver in
color. Each
> name is about 1/2" in height. It's right outside the main
building, on the
> right hand side when facing the main entrance. It's one thing to
say 20
> million people passed thru, but to see several hundred thousand
names is
> quite impressive. An ordinary camera wouldn't be able to capture
one name,
> unless it has a close-up/macro feature. You might be better off
doing a
> rubbing yourself.
>
> To find the wall names and what panel they are located on, you go
to a kiosk
> of about a dozen computer terminals at EI. They're very popular
and there is
> usually a wait. For all you Internet savvy users, look at the web
site
> before you go. The same database is there. Just write down the
panel number,
> stuff it in your pocket and avoid the terminals. There isn't
anything there
> that you can't get on the web site. I located two Michael Dzuba,
both from
> "Czechoslovakia", my grandmother's brother.
>
> Transcription Project
> Regarding the transcription project. This effort intends to
transcribe to
> computer from ship lists (manifests) all names of immigrants
processed
> through EI. From there, the lists will then be automatically
searchable, for
> the first time ever. It looks to me that what they will do is
charge you for
> a printout (or web report) on a per name basis. This project is
very
> expensive both for the transcription labor and computer system to
contain it
> all. I'll bet they charge between $20 and $30 per name and all
you'll get is
> the transcribed data, not an actual copy of the page
> (Though they may offer that for an additional fee). Hey, welcome
to America
> - home of free enterprise and a government unwilling to fund such
an effort!
>
> Main Building
> The main building is restored and is about 80% accessible, with
restricted
> areas for offices and a research library. The library is
accessible to
> credentialed researchers by invitation only. It is very clear that
it does
> not contain any family names, ship's lists or anything for
genealogical
> research. It looks more like it's for historical research. The
main building
> is absolutely gorgeous. Stunning architecture and restoration.
I'll talk
> more about the
> exhibits later.
>
> There is no admission fee to the island, the building or the
exhibits. The
> National Park Service operates it. My grandfather arrived with $5
in his
> pocket, according to the ship manifest, so I made a symbolic $5
donation to
> the little donation box in the Registry Room.
>
> Also on the island are all the hospital buildings. They are all in
a
> decrepit state and are barred from access. Some have bushes
growing from the
> balconies; all have broken or boarded windows. There is quite a
bit of
> infrastructure left from Ellis Island's last use as an Alien
Detention
> center (read: prison), complete with bars on the windows of un-
restored
> structures, barbed wires. Someday, if enough money is raised, they
intend to
> restore them also. Amazing to think that when the place was
abandoned in the
> 1960's, ferry boats were left moored to EI and sunk in place,
their roofs
> poking thru the water while they deteriorated. All that is gone
now.
>
> The Ferry Ride from Central Railway of New Jersey (Liberty State
Park)
> To get there, you jump onto a ferry from either Battery Park in
Manhattan or
> the restored NJ Central Railway Terminal in New Jersey, located in
the
> state-owned Liberty National Park (parking fee $5). It is very
worthwhile
> visit to the restored railroad station, if only for the spiritual
> experience. It was here that many of our relatives set foot on
American
> mainland and traveled west to Pennsylvania and beyond. There's a
small
> exhibit (how much can be said about a train station?) and it's
free. Some
> families met their immigrants here. One unfortunate thing, when I
was there
> five years ago to the train station, the old destination signs
were still
> posted - Pittsburgh, Scranton, Baltimore, Princeton, Wilkes-Barre,
etc. Many
> the places our ancestors might have traveled to or passed through.
Today,
> they've restored train descriptors from the 1940's when the
station was used
> for commuters – names like "5:30 Special", "Wall Street
Express", "PA
> Commuter". Doesn't quite cut it for genealogists like me. $7 gets
you a
> round trip to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty, stopping at
each for
> as long as you want. I left at 9:30 am, arrived at EI 10 minutes
later, made
> a beeline to the 2nd floor (hey, that's the business end of EI !)
and had
> the Registry Room (a.k.a. Great Hall) to myself for the first 5
minutes. I
> stood there thinking about my Grand Parents (GPs) the whole time.
Thought
> about the hours my GPs must have stood there. During my GPs time
(1904,
> 1909), there were lines for everything. It was a very moving
experience. I
> really began to understand just how exciting and scary this whole
experience
> really was. It was an enormous bureaucracy and you're just a small
pea in
> the pod with no power or influence. More on this later.
>
> Hours
> I arrived by 9:45 and found the place pretty empty. When I finally
emerged
> from the exhibits at 1pm, the place was packed. You have to queue
up to get
> free tickets for the half hour movie, but there's no line for
tickets first
> thing in the AM. By 1 pm the queue was about 40 people long. This
is
> off-season, so I can't say for summertime. The last ferry departs
around
> 5pm, though you'll have to deal with rush hour. Small price to
pay, dealing
> with rush hour. Our immigrants had to forgo a two to four week
journey!
> Who to Go With
> If you're into this ancestry stuff like I am, don't go with young
kids
> (honestly, they only have about 10 minutes of patience, while you
spend 10
> minutes just reading the narratives on each exhibit). I have 3
kids under
> 11, no one came with me, due to lack of interest. Just as well,
they would
> have been ready to leave in 1 hour, while I stayed 4 hours. NPS
suggests 3
> hours at EI. The exhibits are all passive - none of this
interactive stuff
> that keeps kid's attention.
>
> Next Time
> In my next letter, I'll tell you about the main building and the
exhibits.
> Then, I'll tell you about the outside experience - approaching EI
by ferry,
> as our ancestors did. Finally, I'll tell you about the Statue of
Liberty, as
> I saw it, with the perspective of my ancestors. I've also reviewed
quite a
> few books on EI and the experience there. I'll include my
recommendations.
>
> Halfway There
> After the trip, I feel like I've made it "halfway back", 93 years
later.
> When I finally set foot in my ancestral village, then I'll feel
like the
> family has finally come full circle.
>
> I hope you've enjoyed this little narrative. Send me your
questions, I'll
> collect them together and respond collectively.
>
> Bill Tarkulich
> Lexington, Massachusetts
>
>
> Part II –The Journey
>
>
> I arrived at Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey, the
New Jersey
> train station about half past 9 in the morning on a cold December
morning a
> couple days after Christmas, 2000.  It was kind of the reverse
journey of my
> grandparent's trip.  I was alone, which was probably for the best,
since it
> gave me an opportunity to reflect on how alone they must have
felt.
> It was sunny but cold and windy.  Wear warm clothes, hat and
gloves until
> the warmest of days.  I drove to the end of the part, to the
railroad
> terminal, parked, and paid my $5.  Walked what seemed like forever
(on a
> cold and windy day) to the terminal building.  Ah, heat inside.
Paid $7.00
> for a ticket.  These boats have ample inside space that is
heated.  Only
> about 10 other folks joined me for the 9:30 am ride.  It took
about 10
> minutes to get there and a couple minutes to unload.
> The skyline of Manhattan across the harbor probably looks as
intimidating
> today as it did in 1904 when an 18 year old farmer from Zemplin
county who
> never traveled more than a few miles from the village by foot or
wagon.  So
> close, but yet so far.  First the bureaucracy he's heard so much
about.
> The boat pulls up to the front of the main building.  A beautifully
> magnificent building, very powerful looking.  Nothing going on
outside, so I
> hurried in.  I'm sure my grandparents had been told what to
expect, but with
> thousands of people standing in lines everywhere, speaking not a
word of
> English, it must have been very intimidating.
> When you walk into the first floor of the main building, you
encounter a
> very large space with a "wall" of luggage in front of you.  This
is where
> the immigrants had to leave all their worldly possessions while
they were
> processed.  They left their trunks filled clothes and sentimental
items
> mostly at the foot of the stairs.  This was period luggage circa
1900.  The
> curators did a fine job of collecting originals of all sorts.  To
your left
> was an information booth, where you obtain free tickets for two or
three
> separate films.  I skipped the films and went right up the stairs
to the
> Registry Room (also known as the "Great Hall" and "Hall of
Tears").  I was
> on a mission to see the "business end" of Ellis Island.  In my
Grandparent's
> time, they would have queued into a line that snaked its way
upstairs to
> meet their first medical inspection at the top of the stairs.
Little did
> these folks know they were already being examined.  Inspectors
noted whether
> or not people had trouble going up the one flight of stairs.  I
buzzed right
> up the stairs.  Wanted to "beat the crowds".
> The Registry Room
> At the top of the stairs was the chamber we've all seen countless
pictures
> of.  The difference was that for me it was entirely empty.   It
seemed much
> smaller than the pictures portrayed.  It was hard to imagine it
could
> process 5,000 people per day.  I stood there alone for almost five
minutes.
> There was but one small narrative at each end of the hall.  Not
much to
> read.  Not much to look at, yet everything to look at.   I could
imagine
> this place filled with lines and lines of people.  It was tiled
everywhere.
> Struck me as a very noisy place.  But was it?
> I saw a couple of rows of benches, looked pretty old.  I chose to
stand as
> I'll bet my grandparents stood for hours too.  I went to the far
end of the
> hall and there was one of those contribution boxes, indicating
admission was
> free, but your contribution would help.  When I saw my
grandfather's ship's
> manifest, it indicated he arrived with five U.S. Dollars.  I made
a $5.00
> contribution.
> From here, I began viewing the static exhibits.  The exhibits were
very
> educational, though I had already learned quite a bit before I
arrived.
> Like any good genealogist, I did my homework before I traveled.
Exhibits
> were housed in the various processing rooms used for medical
exams, legal
> hearings, psychological testing.  These were second-level
processing, for
> those who might have raised the initial inspector's suspicions.
In glass
> cases were many of the items the inspectors used including the
button hook
> tool used to pullback the eyelid for the dreaded trachoma
examination.
>
> Online Resources:
> http://www.libertystatepark.com/history.htm  History of Liberty
State Park,
> NJ
>
>
http://www.njcu.edu/programs/jchistory/Pages/C_Pages/Central_Railroad
_of_New
> _Jersey.html  Central Railway of New Jersey (lots of great
pictures)
> http://www.ellisisland.org  Ellis Island Nonprofit Organization
> http://www.wallofhonor.com/ Wall of Honor, Ellis Island
> http://www.nps.gov/stli/mainmenu.htm  National Park Service,
Statue of
> Liberty and Ellis Island
>
>
> Near line Resources:
> "Voices from Ellis Island : an oral history of American
immigration : a
> project of the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation",
Microfilm of
> original typescripts of oral interviews conducted between 1985 and
1986 in
> various New England states of the United States.  Mormon Family
History
> Center, FHL US/CAN Films 1689050 to 1689057 .
> http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?
first=90&
>
display=titlefilmnotes&titleno=655771&disp=Voices_from_Ellis_Island_%
2C_an_o
> ral_histo&last=109&columns=*%2C180%2C0
>
>
>
>  
> Bill
>  
>

No, I am not aware.  I know that a lot has happened since they "renovated"
it.  I remember going back a year or two ago and many of the signs have
changed.
Do a google search on "Central Railway of New Jersey" you'll probably find
some things.


Bill


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Subject: [S-R] Re: Off-Topic - Ellis Island Trip

Hi Bill
This was a nice description of your visit to Ellis Island. Are you
aware of a of a site that shows the original signs with destinations
for the trains leaving the train station at Liberty Park.
Thanks
Mike Maristch
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
<bill.tarkulich@i...> wrote:
>
> Here is a re-run of a report I wrote five years ago about my trip
to Ellis
> Island, 6 months prior to my first trip to Slovakia and 11 months
before
> 9/11 changed many things.
> Bill
>
> My Visit To Ellis Island
> Part I – Wall of Honor, The Journey, First Impressions
> Bill Tarkulich
>
> I visited Ellis Island (EI) over the Christmas, 2000 Holiday. Here
is my
> first installment on my views and observations. Enjoy.
>
> Wall of Honor
> Regarding the wall. It's a steel, silver-colored wall, shaped like
two
> letter "C"s facing each other, placed outside adjacent to the main
building.
> It is engraved on both sides and is about 5' tall. A third wall,
which is
> straight, has names engraved on one side only (more to come). The
only names
> listed are those that donors have paid for. Remember, this is a
fund raising
> tool. It's NOT the same as the immigrant transcription project.
They raised
> $150 million in PRIVATE funds through various means to restore the
main
> building. A very impressive sum of money.
>
> Each name costs $100 each to have engraved. A husband and wife's
names costs
> $200. In my opinion it's worth it. www.wallofhonor.com explains it
all,
> including how many names are engraved. The wall is silver in
color. Each
> name is about 1/2" in height. It's right outside the main
building, on the
> right hand side when facing the main entrance. It's one thing to
say 20
> million people passed thru, but to see several hundred thousand
names is
> quite impressive. An ordinary camera wouldn't be able to capture
one name,
> unless it has a close-up/macro feature. You might be better off
doing a
> rubbing yourself.
>
> To find the wall names and what panel they are located on, you go
to a kiosk
> of about a dozen computer terminals at EI. They're very popular
and there is
> usually a wait. For all you Internet savvy users, look at the web
site
> before you go. The same database is there. Just write down the
panel number,
> stuff it in your pocket and avoid the terminals. There isn't
anything there
> that you can't get on the web site. I located two Michael Dzuba,
both from
> "Czechoslovakia", my grandmother's brother.
>
> Transcription Project
> Regarding the transcription project. This effort intends to
transcribe to
> computer from ship lists (manifests) all names of immigrants
processed
> through EI. From there, the lists will then be automatically
searchable, for
> the first time ever. It looks to me that what they will do is
charge you for
> a printout (or web report) on a per name basis. This project is
very
> expensive both for the transcription labor and computer system to
contain it
> all. I'll bet they charge between $20 and $30 per name and all
you'll get is
> the transcribed data, not an actual copy of the page
> (Though they may offer that for an additional fee). Hey, welcome
to America
> - home of free enterprise and a government unwilling to fund such
an effort!
>
> Main Building
> The main building is restored and is about 80% accessible, with
restricted
> areas for offices and a research library. The library is
accessible to
> credentialed researchers by invitation only. It is very clear that
it does
> not contain any family names, ship's lists or anything for
genealogical
> research. It looks more like it's for historical research. The
main building
> is absolutely gorgeous. Stunning architecture and restoration.
I'll talk
> more about the
> exhibits later.
>
> There is no admission fee to the island, the building or the
exhibits. The
> National Park Service operates it. My grandfather arrived with $5
in his
> pocket, according to the ship manifest, so I made a symbolic $5
donation to
> the little donation box in the Registry Room.
>
> Also on the island are all the hospital buildings. They are all in
a
> decrepit state and are barred from access. Some have bushes
growing from the
> balconies; all have broken or boarded windows. There is quite a
bit of
> infrastructure left from Ellis Island's last use as an Alien
Detention
> center (read: prison), complete with bars on the windows of un-
restored
> structures, barbed wires. Someday, if enough money is raised, they
intend to
> restore them also. Amazing to think that when the place was
abandoned in the
> 1960's, ferry boats were left moored to EI and sunk in place,
their roofs
> poking thru the water while they deteriorated. All that is gone
now.
>
> The Ferry Ride from Central Railway of New Jersey (Liberty State
Park)
> To get there, you jump onto a ferry from either Battery Park in
Manhattan or
> the restored NJ Central Railway Terminal in New Jersey, located in
the
> state-owned Liberty National Park (parking fee $5). It is very
worthwhile
> visit to the restored railroad station, if only for the spiritual
> experience. It was here that many of our relatives set foot on
American
> mainland and traveled west to Pennsylvania and beyond. There's a
small
> exhibit (how much can be said about a train station?) and it's
free. Some
> families met their immigrants here. One unfortunate thing, when I
was there
> five years ago to the train station, the old destination signs
were still
> posted - Pittsburgh, Scranton, Baltimore, Princeton, Wilkes-Barre,
etc. Many
> the places our ancestors might have traveled to or passed through.
Today,
> they've restored train descriptors from the 1940's when the
station was used
> for commuters – names like "5:30 Special", "Wall Street
Express", "PA
> Commuter". Doesn't quite cut it for genealogists like me. $7 gets
you a
> round trip to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty, stopping at
each for
> as long as you want. I left at 9:30 am, arrived at EI 10 minutes
later, made
> a beeline to the 2nd floor (hey, that's the business end of EI !)
and had
> the Registry Room (a.k.a. Great Hall) to myself for the first 5
minutes. I
> stood there thinking about my Grand Parents (GPs) the whole time.
Thought
> about the hours my GPs must have stood there. During my GPs time
(1904,
> 1909), there were lines for everything. It was a very moving
experience. I
> really began to understand just how exciting and scary this whole
experience
> really was. It was an enormous bureaucracy and you're just a small
pea in
> the pod with no power or influence. More on this later.
>
> Hours
> I arrived by 9:45 and found the place pretty empty. When I finally
emerged
> from the exhibits at 1pm, the place was packed. You have to queue
up to get
> free tickets for the half hour movie, but there's no line for
tickets first
> thing in the AM. By 1 pm the queue was about 40 people long. This
is
> off-season, so I can't say for summertime. The last ferry departs
around
> 5pm, though you'll have to deal with rush hour. Small price to
pay, dealing
> with rush hour. Our immigrants had to forgo a two to four week
journey!
> Who to Go With
> If you're into this ancestry stuff like I am, don't go with young
kids
> (honestly, they only have about 10 minutes of patience, while you
spend 10
> minutes just reading the narratives on each exhibit). I have 3
kids under
> 11, no one came with me, due to lack of interest. Just as well,
they would
> have been ready to leave in 1 hour, while I stayed 4 hours. NPS
suggests 3
> hours at EI. The exhibits are all passive - none of this
interactive stuff
> that keeps kid's attention.
>
> Next Time
> In my next letter, I'll tell you about the main building and the
exhibits.
> Then, I'll tell you about the outside experience - approaching EI
by ferry,
> as our ancestors did. Finally, I'll tell you about the Statue of
Liberty, as
> I saw it, with the perspective of my ancestors. I've also reviewed
quite a
> few books on EI and the experience there. I'll include my
recommendations.
>
> Halfway There
> After the trip, I feel like I've made it "halfway back", 93 years
later.
> When I finally set foot in my ancestral village, then I'll feel
like the
> family has finally come full circle.
>
> I hope you've enjoyed this little narrative. Send me your
questions, I'll
> collect them together and respond collectively.
>
> Bill Tarkulich
> Lexington, Massachusetts
>
>
> Part II –The Journey
>
>
> I arrived at Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey, the
New Jersey
> train station about half past 9 in the morning on a cold December
morning a
> couple days after Christmas, 2000.  It was kind of the reverse
journey of my
> grandparent's trip.  I was alone, which was probably for the best,
since it
> gave me an opportunity to reflect on how alone they must have
felt.
> It was sunny but cold and windy.  Wear warm clothes, hat and
gloves until
> the warmest of days.  I drove to the end of the part, to the
railroad
> terminal, parked, and paid my $5.  Walked what seemed like forever
(on a
> cold and windy day) to the terminal building.  Ah, heat inside.
Paid $7.00
> for a ticket.  These boats have ample inside space that is
heated.  Only
> about 10 other folks joined me for the 9:30 am ride.  It took
about 10
> minutes to get there and a couple minutes to unload.
> The skyline of Manhattan across the harbor probably looks as
intimidating
> today as it did in 1904 when an 18 year old farmer from Zemplin
county who
> never traveled more than a few miles from the village by foot or
wagon.  So
> close, but yet so far.  First the bureaucracy he's heard so much
about.
> The boat pulls up to the front of the main building.  A beautifully
> magnificent building, very powerful looking.  Nothing going on
outside, so I
> hurried in.  I'm sure my grandparents had been told what to
expect, but with
> thousands of people standing in lines everywhere, speaking not a
word of
> English, it must have been very intimidating.
> When you walk into the first floor of the main building, you
encounter a
> very large space with a "wall" of luggage in front of you.  This
is where
> the immigrants had to leave all their worldly possessions while
they were
> processed.  They left their trunks filled clothes and sentimental
items
> mostly at the foot of the stairs.  This was period luggage circa
1900.  The
> curators did a fine job of collecting originals of all sorts.  To
your left
> was an information booth, where you obtain free tickets for two or
three
> separate films.  I skipped the films and went right up the stairs
to the
> Registry Room (also known as the "Great Hall" and "Hall of
Tears").  I was
> on a mission to see the "business end" of Ellis Island.  In my
Grandparent's
> time, they would have queued into a line that snaked its way
upstairs to
> meet their first medical inspection at the top of the stairs.
Little did
> these folks know they were already being examined.  Inspectors
noted whether
> or not people had trouble going up the one flight of stairs.  I
buzzed right
> up the stairs.  Wanted to "beat the crowds".
> The Registry Room
> At the top of the stairs was the chamber we've all seen countless
pictures
> of.  The difference was that for me it was entirely empty.   It
seemed much
> smaller than the pictures portrayed.  It was hard to imagine it
could
> process 5,000 people per day.  I stood there alone for almost five
minutes.
> There was but one small narrative at each end of the hall.  Not
much to
> read.  Not much to look at, yet everything to look at.   I could
imagine
> this place filled with lines and lines of people.  It was tiled
everywhere.
> Struck me as a very noisy place.  But was it?
> I saw a couple of rows of benches, looked pretty old.  I chose to
stand as
> I'll bet my grandparents stood for hours too.  I went to the far
end of the
> hall and there was one of those contribution boxes, indicating
admission was
> free, but your contribution would help.  When I saw my
grandfather's ship's
> manifest, it indicated he arrived with five U.S. Dollars.  I made
a $5.00
> contribution.
> From here, I began viewing the static exhibits.  The exhibits were
very
> educational, though I had already learned quite a bit before I
arrived.
> Like any good genealogist, I did my homework before I traveled.
Exhibits
> were housed in the various processing rooms used for medical
exams, legal
> hearings, psychological testing.  These were second-level
processing, for
> those who might have raised the initial inspector's suspicions.
In glass
> cases were many of the items the inspectors used including the
button hook
> tool used to pullback the eyelid for the dreaded trachoma
examination.
>
> Online Resources:
> http://www.libertystatepark.com/history.htm  History of Liberty
State Park,
> NJ
>
>
http://www.njcu.edu/programs/jchistory/Pages/C_Pages/Central_Railroad
_of_New
> _Jersey.html  Central Railway of New Jersey (lots of great
pictures)
> http://www.ellisisland.org  Ellis Island Nonprofit Organization
> http://www.wallofhonor.com/ Wall of Honor, Ellis Island
> http://www.nps.gov/stli/mainmenu.htm  National Park Service,
Statue of
> Liberty and Ellis Island
>
>
> Near line Resources:
> "Voices from Ellis Island : an oral history of American
immigration : a
> project of the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation",
Microfilm of
> original typescripts of oral interviews conducted between 1985 and
1986 in
> various New England states of the United States.  Mormon Family
History
> Center, FHL US/CAN Films 1689050 to 1689057 .
> http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?
first=90&
>
display=titlefilmnotes&titleno=655771&disp=Voices_from_Ellis_Island_%
2C_an_o
> ral_histo&last=109&columns=*%2C180%2C0
>
>
>
>  
> Bill
>  
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LDS has some limited Greek Catholic parish registers of births,
marriages, and deaths for Starina (Humenné), Slovakia; formerly
Sztarina, Zemplén, Hungary.

Krstení 1845-1866
Zomrelí 1845-1868
Krstení 1866-1867
Sobášení 1845-1867
Krstení 1867-1868
FHL INTL Film [ 1793894 Item 2 ]

Thanks very much for translating this word but what language is
this?  I have checked my Hungarian, Slovak and Latin dictionaries
and not found this term.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R. (JArmata)"
<JArmata@g...> wrote:
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> This means a farmer (rolnik).
>
> Joe
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@i...>
> To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:05 PM
> Subject: [S-R] "rolnik" or possibly "roluik"
>
>
> >I received an inquiry from someone looking at the Snina RC church
register.
> > They found an occupation is listed as
> >
> > "rolnik" or possibly "roluik".
> >
> > Do you know what word they might possibly be referring to?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
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Rolnik is SLOVAK  it is a farmer

V;ladi



At 04:15 PM 1/1/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks very much for translating this word but what language is
>this?  I have checked my Hungarian, Slovak and Latin dictionaries
>and not found this term.
>
>
>--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R. (JArmata)"
><JArmata@g...> wrote:
> >
> > This means a farmer (rolnik).
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@i...>
> > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:05 PM
> > Subject: [S-R] "rolnik" or possibly "roluik"
> >
> >
> > >I received an inquiry from someone looking at the Snina RC church
>register.
> > > They found an occupation is listed as
> > >
> > > "rolnik" or possibly "roluik".
> > >
> > > Do you know what word they might possibly be referring to?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >

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Today, a slovak word meaning farmer.
Origin probably from latin 'rola' meaning field.
Hence, field worker, but common usuage as 'farmer'

--- Carl Kotlarchik <kkotlarc@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks very much for translating this word but what
> language is
> this?  I have checked my Hungarian, Slovak and Latin
> dictionaries
> and not found this term.
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R.
> (JArmata)"
> <JArmata@g...> wrote:
> >
> > This means a farmer (rolnik).
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@i...>
> > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:05 PM
> > Subject: [S-R] "rolnik" or possibly "roluik"
> >
> >
> > >I received an inquiry from someone looking at the
> Snina RC church
> register.
> > > They found an occupation is listed as
> > >
> > > "rolnik" or possibly "roluik".
> > >
> > > Do you know what word they might possibly be
> referring to?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Thanks David

Don't you all find this word in church records used in the same sense as
sedlak?  That is, a small owner rather than a renter.  The man who in
Hungarian would be a telkes-gazda, leaving out the diacrits.


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Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: "rolnik" or possibly "roluik"


> Today, a slovak word meaning farmer.
> Origin probably from latin 'rola' meaning field.
> Hence, field worker, but common usuage as 'farmer'
>
> --- Carl Kotlarchik <kkotlarc@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks very much for translating this word but what
>> language is
>> this?  I have checked my Hungarian, Slovak and Latin
>> dictionaries
>> and not found this term.
>>
>>
>> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R.
>> (JArmata)"
>> <JArmata@g...> wrote:
>> >
>> > This means a farmer (rolnik).
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@i...>
>> > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:05 PM
>> > Subject: [S-R] "rolnik" or possibly "roluik"
>> >
>> >
>> > >I received an inquiry from someone looking at the
>> Snina RC church
>> register.
>> > > They found an occupation is listed as
>> > >
>> > > "rolnik" or possibly "roluik".
>> > >
>> > > Do you know what word they might possibly be
>> referring to?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bill
>> > >
>> > >
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That's weird, unless ancestry.com just matched it to the last name. Since I'm
not a paying member there I couldn't get details. It may just be their way of
trying to get people to sign up. I'll have to go to my local library this week
where I can access it from and see what I get there. Thanks anyway, Janet.

   Ann

Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
   I don't understand. When I search on Domanic I get 36 of them for the 1920
Census, none of whom are Balint, or even begin with a B.



Janet



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From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ann Fisher
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:48 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-R] 1920 US Census



Janet,

    I put in his last name of Domanic and just a B for first name to see what
results it would yield.

   Ann

Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
   How did you "find out" that Ancestry.com said he was in the 1920 Census? I
cannot see his name when I search there.



Janet







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From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ann Fisher
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:13 AM
To: Slovak Roots
Subject: [S-R] 1920 US Census



Is there anywhere I can get a copy of the 1920 US Census without paying a
fee to join somewhere on line? Like a library or such? I was able to find
out on ancestry.com that my great grandfather Balantine Domanic is in it and
would like to find out place of residence and other members of household and
any other info it may have on him for that time. This is the great
grandfather that I was unable to find anything on for the longest time, and
my father did not know anything about him including his name. I am hoping it
will contain my great grandmother's name as he did not know that either.

   Thanks,
   Ann


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Precious little, I'm afraid. There is a mention of Matyas Maczek and his
wife Orsolya (Ursula) from the late 1400s, I believe from Nyitra megye. A
Maria Macsek married Laszlo Ujfalussy, probably in the late 1700s or early
1800s, and had two children, Laszlo and Karoly. It is not clear where this
was. It could have been Szabolcs, Szatmar, or Zemplin megye. Finally, there
are some very early (12-1300s) Latin ecclesiastical entries mentioning
Machyk or Macek related to a place name of Ryuche or Ryiuce. This may have
been in Croatia.



Janet



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Is there Maczek in there?


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You might want to check out all of these spellings at www.arcanum.hu/mol. In
addition to the Latin entry referring to Ryuche, you will find mentions of
this name in Saros, Szepes, Nyitra, and Trencsen megyes.

Janet





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Precious little, I'm afraid. There is a mention of Matyas Maczek and his
wife Orsolya (Ursula) from the late 1400s, I believe from Nyitra megye. A
Maria Macsek married Laszlo Ujfalussy, probably in the late 1700s or early
1800s, and had two children, Laszlo and Karoly. It is not clear where this
was. It could have been Szabolcs, Szatmar, or Zemplin megye. Finally, there
are some very early (12-1300s) Latin ecclesiastical entries mentioning
Machyk or Macek related to a place name of Ryuche or Ryiuce. This may have
been in Croatia.



Janet



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Is there Maczek in there?


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Janet,

     Is there an english translation or version of this site? I found three
references to my family name Packa, in it.


On 1/2/06, Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
>
> You might want to check out all of these spellings at www.arcanum.hu/mol.
> In
> addition to the Latin entry referring to Ryuche, you will find mentions of
> this name in Saros, Szepes, Nyitra, and Trencsen megyes.
>
> Janet
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> Precious little, I'm afraid. There is a mention of Matyas Maczek and his
> wife Orsolya (Ursula) from the late 1400s, I believe from Nyitra megye. A
> Maria Macsek married Laszlo Ujfalussy, probably in the late 1700s or early
> 1800s, and had two children, Laszlo and Karoly. It is not clear where this
> was. It could have been Szabolcs, Szatmar, or Zemplin megye. Finally,
> there
> are some very early (12-1300s) Latin ecclesiastical entries mentioning
> Machyk or Macek related to a place name of Ryuche or Ryiuce. This may have
> been in Croatia.
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
>
> _____
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Janet,

     Is there an english translation or version of this site? I found three
references to my family name Packa, in it.

http://www.arcanum.hu/mol

Thanks, Tom


On 1/2/06, Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
>
> You might want to check out all of these spellings at www.arcanum.hu/mol.
> In
> addition to the Latin entry referring to Ryuche, you will find mentions of
> this name in Saros, Szepes, Nyitra, and Trencsen megyes.
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
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> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [S-R] Hungarian and Slovak Nobility - Maczek
>
>
>
> Precious little, I'm afraid. There is a mention of Matyas Maczek and his
> wife Orsolya (Ursula) from the late 1400s, I believe from Nyitra megye. A
> Maria Macsek married Laszlo Ujfalussy, probably in the late 1700s or early
> 1800s, and had two children, Laszlo and Karoly. It is not clear where this
> was. It could have been Szabolcs, Szatmar, or Zemplin megye. Finally,
> there
> are some very early (12-1300s) Latin ecclesiastical entries mentioning
> Machyk or Macek related to a place name of Ryuche or Ryiuce. This may have
> been in Croatia.
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
>
> _____
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Dear Tom,

There is no translated version and probably will never be. However, from
what I can see, the Packa you found refers to a village, not a family name,
and is probably present-day Paka, Croatia. Bear in mind that I do not read
Hungarian either.

Janet







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Could anyone explain some things about the hierachy in farm villages
in the 1800s?  Vladimir Bohinc has written a bit about it on Bill
Tarkulich's web-site but I am wondering about things like marriage
practices between people of different social status.

I also admit to still being a bit confused over all the terms used
to describe farmers, tradesmen and herdsmen.  For example, what is
the difference between jobbagy, colonus, zseller, foldmuves, rolik,
gazda, and sedliak?  I have found most of these terms in the records
I have been searching.  Some appear to own land and others seem to
work for the land owners.  I also see the term  "szolga" which
translates to man servant but what exactly did they do?  Were szolga
the same as podludnik or subinquilini?

Would it be common for a family listed as a jobbagy or colonus to
marry with someone from a family of pasztor?  What about tradesmen
and others like szolga and men in the army?  Who was free to move
around and who was tied to the land or nobility?  Could a herdsman
or a tradesman change occupations freely?  Discussions about these
kinds of questions would be very useful to help understand the times
back then.

  I am reading as much as I can about the culture but so much seems
contradictory.  Many individuals in this forum have been so helpful
explaining these things to those of us who are less knowledgeable.
My thanks to all of you.

Carl Kotlarchik

There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-immigrant
experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950, born
in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth describing
day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
It has been recently scanned and is available at

http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will need
Acrobat reader.
Thanks to Larry Krupnak for bringing it to my attention.

Here is Bill Trakulich's message 3944.1 from the Delphi site.

There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-immigrant
experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950, born
in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth describing
day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
It has been recently scanned and is available at

http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will need
Acrobat reader.

>>From the Library of Congress on-line catalog:
>
> Title: The Grisak family
> Authors: Grisak, Michael J. , 1910- (Main Author) *
>LC Control Number: 79103327
> Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
> Personal Name: Grisak, Michael J.
> Main Title: The Grisak family / compiled by Michael J. Grisak.
>Published/Created: [Merrillville, Ind.] : Grisak, [1978-1979]
> Description: 2 v. : ill. ; 28 cm.
> Notes: Cover title.
> Subjects: Grisak, Michael J.
> Grisak family.
> Czechoslovakia--Biography.
> United States--Biography.
>LC Classification: CT948.G74 A34
> Dewey Class No.: 943.7/03/0922 B
> Geog. Area Code: e-cs--- n-us---

Thanks, Janet

On 1/2/06, Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> There is no translated version and probably will never be. However, from
> what I can see, the Packa you found refers to a village, not a family
> name,
> and is probably present-day Paka, Croatia. Bear in mind that I do not read
> Hungarian either.
>
> Janet
>
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Yes, I have read the Grisak Family History and agree that it is a
very good book.  I have also ordered several other books that have
been recommended but I was hoping that we could discuss things in
this forum that you don't necessarily find in the literature.  It
seems like the more I read, the more questions I have.

For example, how common was it for Slovaks and Magyars to marry?  I
had the impression it was not that common but I am finding it
frequently in my family records.  This would suggest to me, that
over time, the Slovak population would have been assimilated into
Hungarian population.  But that did not happen.  So, was there much
tension between the two groups?

I asked my earlier question about the status differences between the
different terms for farmer because I find most of them used in my
family records.   Oddly, one clan in my family were only herdsmen,
of every kind, for many generations.  Then suddenly one marries
someone from a family listed as a colonus in one record and jobbagy
in another.   From what I have read, herdsmen did not participate
much in the activities of the village.  So, was it unusual for one
of them to marry someone who owned property? This individual had
been in the army but he is the only member of his family clan that
did not become a pasztor.  But he also moved away from the town
where his wife was raised.  So how and why did he change
occupations?

Anyway, this is what I find interesting about researching the family
history.  It is not just collecting dates and names.  I enjoy trying
to understand the time period and the culture.  I'm trying to find
others with a similar interest so we can share and learn from each
other.  Most of the questions in this forum pertain to "how do I
find something" which is important and I ask these questions too.
But I would also like to discuss things that make a story about
people's lives.  At some point, all of us should write up what we
have learned from our family research.  This should not be just
dates and facts but a personal history of one's family and the
influences that shaped their lives.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "johnqadam" <johnqadam@r...>
wrote:
>
> There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-immigrant
> experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950,
born
> in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth
describing
> day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
> It has been recently scanned and is available at
>
> http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
> Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will need
> Acrobat reader.
> Thanks to Larry Krupnak for bringing it to my attention.
>
> Here is Bill Trakulich's message 3944.1 from the Delphi site.
>
> There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-immigrant
> experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950,
born
> in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth
describing
> day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
> It has been recently scanned and is available at
>
> http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
> Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will need
> Acrobat reader.
>
> >>From the Library of Congress on-line catalog:
> >
> > Title: The Grisak family
> > Authors: Grisak, Michael J. , 1910- (Main Author) *
> >LC Control Number: 79103327
> > Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
> > Personal Name: Grisak, Michael J.
> > Main Title: The Grisak family / compiled by Michael J. Grisak.
> >Published/Created: [Merrillville, Ind.] : Grisak, [1978-1979]
> > Description: 2 v. : ill. ; 28 cm.
> > Notes: Cover title.
> > Subjects: Grisak, Michael J.
> > Grisak family.
> > Czechoslovakia--Biography.
> > United States--Biography.
> >LC Classification: CT948.G74 A34
> > Dewey Class No.: 943.7/03/0922 B
> > Geog. Area Code: e-cs--- n-us---
>

Carl,

As you gain information on the meanings of the words, I suggest you
associate each meaning with a time and region, as words and meanings
do change with time and place.  Look at our own history within the
US and you will see that.  Part of the time, the Hungarians had a
very active Diet (legislature) and they were constantly tinkering
with social experiments.  I am skeptical that one word would hold
one precise meaning over a century or two without hidden changes in
status of that individual or class of people, and the same word in
Upper Hungary could have a different variation of the meaning in
Transylvania at the same time.

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Kotlarchik"
<kkotlarc@r...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have read the Grisak Family History and agree that it is a
> very good book.  I have also ordered several other books that have
> been recommended but I was hoping that we could discuss things in
> this forum that you don't necessarily find in the literature.  It
> seems like the more I read, the more questions I have.
>
> For example, how common was it for Slovaks and Magyars to marry?
I
> had the impression it was not that common but I am finding it
> frequently in my family records.  This would suggest to me, that
> over time, the Slovak population would have been assimilated into
> Hungarian population.  But that did not happen.  So, was there
much
> tension between the two groups?
>
> I asked my earlier question about the status differences between
the
> different terms for farmer because I find most of them used in my
> family records.   Oddly, one clan in my family were only herdsmen,
> of every kind, for many generations.  Then suddenly one marries
> someone from a family listed as a colonus in one record and
jobbagy
> in another.   From what I have read, herdsmen did not participate
> much in the activities of the village.  So, was it unusual for one
> of them to marry someone who owned property? This individual had
> been in the army but he is the only member of his family clan that
> did not become a pasztor.  But he also moved away from the town
> where his wife was raised.  So how and why did he change
> occupations?
>
> Anyway, this is what I find interesting about researching the
family
> history.  It is not just collecting dates and names.  I enjoy
trying
> to understand the time period and the culture.  I'm trying to find
> others with a similar interest so we can share and learn from each
> other.  Most of the questions in this forum pertain to "how do I
> find something" which is important and I ask these questions too.
> But I would also like to discuss things that make a story about
> people's lives.  At some point, all of us should write up what we
> have learned from our family research.  This should not be just
> dates and facts but a personal history of one's family and the
> influences that shaped their lives.
>
>
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "johnqadam" <johnqadam@r...>
> wrote:
> >
> > There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-
immigrant
> > experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950,
> born
> > in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth
> describing
> > day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
> > It has been recently scanned and is available at
> >
> > http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
> > Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will
need
> > Acrobat reader.
> > Thanks to Larry Krupnak for bringing it to my attention.
> >
> > Here is Bill Trakulich's message 3944.1 from the Delphi site.
> >
> > There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-
immigrant
> > experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950,
> born
> > in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth
> describing
> > day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
> > It has been recently scanned and is available at
> >
> > http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
> > Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will
need
> > Acrobat reader.
> >
> > >>From the Library of Congress on-line catalog:
> > >
> > > Title: The Grisak family
> > > Authors: Grisak, Michael J. , 1910- (Main Author) *
> > >LC Control Number: 79103327
> > > Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
> > > Personal Name: Grisak, Michael J.
> > > Main Title: The Grisak family / compiled by Michael J. Grisak.
> > >Published/Created: [Merrillville, Ind.] : Grisak, [1978-1979]
> > > Description: 2 v. : ill. ; 28 cm.
> > > Notes: Cover title.
> > > Subjects: Grisak, Michael J.
> > > Grisak family.
> > > Czechoslovakia--Biography.
> > > United States--Biography.
> > >LC Classification: CT948.G74 A34
> > > Dewey Class No.: 943.7/03/0922 B
> > > Geog. Area Code: e-cs--- n-us---
> >
>

Dear Carl,
I like questions, but I am not very fond of " was this common?". To make
something common would mean to generalize it. This would not bring you closer to
understanding your family. All sorts of things have happened, like always.
1. How common was it for Slovaks and Hungarians to marry? ( I presume you mean
each other)
One immediately has to ask when and where.
If someone was living and feeling like a Magyar, he was not very welcome in a
slovak family because of several things. The higher one was on the social
ladder, the more such marriage was possible. There were times, where there was
tension and there were times where there was less tension. There were times,
when the hungarian ethnicity was endangered by the slavic ethnicities to be
assimilated.
There were times when the Magyars were trying to magyarize the Slavs. This is
when you find the term Jobbagy and slavic names magyarized.
How can you tell from the Church records, who was slovak and who not if all
names are spelled in magyar?
Colonus is the farmer, who has in use a house and  land ( and has a couple of
horses), which is called sessio in latin or usadlost in slovak and was the basic
unit of farmership and supposed to be big enough to give a good life for a
family. ( When it was located next to the road, it usually was some 35 steps
wide) Neither colonus, not anyone lower than him really owned anything but
themselves and what they could carry. The land belonged to the Landlord till the
serfdom was abolished.
If somebody had a uniform ( as a soldier), he was much more attractive, so he
had a chance to step into a marriage with a girl who was from a family which was
higher on the ladder. On the other hand, one can endlessly discuss the reasons
for marriage. Then as today.
You can read something I wrote about the social order in a village on a website
of Bill Tarkulich.
If your ancestors were herdsmen or shepherds, they most probably were not
Slovaks, but Valachs or Ruthenians. These folks have their own specifics. The
Valachs had even their own Law. So what was common for the Valachs or
Ruthenians, was not neccessarily comon for other ethnic groups.
In general it is true, that the more you research, the more questions you have,
so it is a long process untill you get a feeling. You also have to get in touch
with people who are carriers of the heritage of your folks here and start to
learn their language. With speaking their language you will be able to get
deeper into secrets of life.
Vladimir

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: amiak27
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:45 PM
   Subject: [S-R] Re: Slovak Culture


   Carl,

   As you gain information on the meanings of the words, I suggest you
   associate each meaning with a time and region, as words and meanings
   do change with time and place.  Look at our own history within the
   US and you will see that.  Part of the time, the Hungarians had a
   very active Diet (legislature) and they were constantly tinkering
   with social experiments.  I am skeptical that one word would hold
   one precise meaning over a century or two without hidden changes in
   status of that individual or class of people, and the same word in
   Upper Hungary could have a different variation of the meaning in
   Transylvania at the same time.

   Ron

   --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Kotlarchik"
   <kkotlarc@r...> wrote:
   >
   > Yes, I have read the Grisak Family History and agree that it is a
   > very good book.  I have also ordered several other books that have
   > been recommended but I was hoping that we could discuss things in
   > this forum that you don't necessarily find in the literature.  It
   > seems like the more I read, the more questions I have.
   >
   > For example, how common was it for Slovaks and Magyars to marry?
   I
   > had the impression it was not that common but I am finding it
   > frequently in my family records.  This would suggest to me, that
   > over time, the Slovak population would have been assimilated into
   > Hungarian population.  But that did not happen.  So, was there
   much
   > tension between the two groups?
   >
   > I asked my earlier question about the status differences between
   the
   > different terms for farmer because I find most of them used in my
   > family records.   Oddly, one clan in my family were only herdsmen,
   > of every kind, for many generations.  Then suddenly one marries
   > someone from a family listed as a colonus in one record and
   jobbagy
   > in another.   From what I have read, herdsmen did not participate
   > much in the activities of the village.  So, was it unusual for one
   > of them to marry someone who owned property? This individual had
   > been in the army but he is the only member of his family clan that
   > did not become a pasztor.  But he also moved away from the town
   > where his wife was raised.  So how and why did he change
   > occupations?
   >
   > Anyway, this is what I find interesting about researching the
   family
   > history.  It is not just collecting dates and names.  I enjoy
   trying
   > to understand the time period and the culture.  I'm trying to find
   > others with a similar interest so we can share and learn from each
   > other.  Most of the questions in this forum pertain to "how do I
   > find something" which is important and I ask these questions too.
   > But I would also like to discuss things that make a story about
   > people's lives.  At some point, all of us should write up what we
   > have learned from our family research.  This should not be just
   > dates and facts but a personal history of one's family and the
   > influences that shaped their lives.
   >
   >
   > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "johnqadam" <johnqadam@r...>
   > wrote:
   > >
   > > There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-
   immigrant
   > > experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950,
   > born
   > > in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth
   > describing
   > > day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
   > > It has been recently scanned and is available at
   > >
   > > http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
   > > Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will
   need
   > > Acrobat reader.
   > > Thanks to Larry Krupnak for bringing it to my attention.
   > >
   > > Here is Bill Trakulich's message 3944.1 from the Delphi site.
   > >
   > > There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-
   immigrant
   > > experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950,
   > born
   > > in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth
   > describing
   > > day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
   > > It has been recently scanned and is available at
   > >
   > > http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
   > > Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will
   need
   > > Acrobat reader.
   > >
   > > >>From the Library of Congress on-line catalog:
   > > >
   > > > Title: The Grisak family
   > > > Authors: Grisak, Michael J. , 1910- (Main Author) *
   > > >LC Control Number: 79103327
   > > > Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
   > > > Personal Name: Grisak, Michael J.
   > > > Main Title: The Grisak family / compiled by Michael J. Grisak.
   > > >Published/Created: [Merrillville, Ind.] : Grisak, [1978-1979]
   > > > Description: 2 v. : ill. ; 28 cm.
   > > > Notes: Cover title.
   > > > Subjects: Grisak, Michael J.
   > > > Grisak family.
   > > > Czechoslovakia--Biography.
   > > > United States--Biography.
   > > >LC Classification: CT948.G74 A34
   > > > Dewey Class No.: 943.7/03/0922 B
   > > > Geog. Area Code: e-cs--- n-us---
   > >
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Dear Kristine,
This is a very wrong reading and there is no such or similar village in Zemplin.
Can you make this document available for us to see and do our own reading?
I checked the whole map of Zemplin for you and nothing comes close.
Vladimir

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kristine
   To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:17 PM
   Subject: [S-R] Szfarona, Zemplen County, Hungary????


   I have a marriage license of my great grandfather to his second wife in 1900
   Braddock, Alleghany County, PA.  It is somewhat hard to read.  I had someone
   who kindly helped me out and said he said it reads that my great grandfather
   (Michael Andryko) was born in the village of Szfarona, Zemplen County,
   Hungary.

   My question is...I did a google search and looked through some Hungarian and
   Slovaks sites and have not come across that village name...Szfarona.  I know
   the name could have changed in spelling or maybe it just does not exist
   anymore?  Is anyone familiar with this village name?

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Slovak-Roots Moderator/Members,
     I am Tom Potsko from Hanover Township, PA. I have been
researching genealogical roots of my family and my wife's family for
a little over a year now. My search began on the LDS website where my
great-grandparents John Patsko or Pacho b: abt 1850 and Eva Gasparick
b:1855 d: 25 JUL 1929 listed as living in Zemplin, Hungary with
between 6 and 10 children. I believe the correct Slovak or Austrian
(and my family has always stated my great grand father and
grandfather were Austrian) is Packa, this is the most prevalent
spelling in Church records at St Matthew Evangelical Slovak Lutheran
Church N. Main St. Wilkes-Barre, PA nad St John's Evangelical Slovak
Lutheran Church, Nanticoke, where most of my great uncles and aunts
and grandparents married, had their children baptized and were buried
from. The most prevalent names of villages or counties of origin are
Saris Olsavec or Saris, Olsavce, which, I believe are Slovak, not
Austrian.  In Ellis Island records, I have found eight of the ten
great uncles and aunts, and the great grandmother, who, according to
church records was from Porubka, and I assume the Porubka that is in
Saris(there are 6 Porobka's in Slovakia, I believe). Their surnames
show up as Packa, Paczko, Pagka, with place of origin as Orsocz,
Austria and Arsod, Hungary and unknown. My grandmother Anna Handzo
Patsko was born in Glen Lyon, Pa, but lived at least 16 years in Lada
Czechoslovakia, also in Saris, I believe. Her father Andrew Handzo b:
abt 1868 married Anna Benyo from Presov, Czechoslovakia. They also
maintained a residence in Glen Lyon, PA, with Andrew making six or
seven crossings. in the early 1900's, belonging to the above St,.
John's Church in Nanticoke, Pa. I have a rootsweb freepages website:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jaschr71

where most of these documents gravesites and other documents can be
found. My great Grandmother's name was probably spelled Gasparik. My
wife's great grandfather was Joseph Heylek b: abt1859 from
Bohemia/Austria, wife Barbara, b:abt 1869, her grandmother Mary
Surany b:1890 d: 10 OCT 1968 was Slovak. My great aunt Anna Patsko
(Packa) married a Michael Handzo  b: 1874 d: 9 NOV 1918, my great
aunt Eva Patsko(Packa) married John Hrivnak (Lukavica) b: 1884 d: 23
DEC 1925. I probably went into too much detail, but I can't go back
any further on any of these surnames without help in Slovakia.

      Also looking for a village called Kamianka, possibly Rumanivka,
in the Sianik District(not sure what country) Yanoshak and
Kulmaticky  and Cirko families, all claiming to be Ukrainian or
Ruthenian, lived there with my references found in Holy
Transfiguration of Our Lord Ukrainian(Byzantine) Catholic Church
Hanover Section of Nanticoke, PA. Thanks, Tom