HI Vladimir...

Also, where is this family of Wachtenheim that you wrote me comes from
Slovakia?  IT's the first I hear of them in Slovakia....can you tell me the name
of
the family in Slovakia?

DAniel WAchtenheim
>
>   > Dear Daniel,
>   > Thank you very much for your reply.
>   > What I am still missing is some time orientation. This would mean names
> of
>   > your oldest known ancestors and associated years and places. This is how
> every
>   > research begins and this is how at least I am "programmed" to "get
> primed"
>   > to think about the possible research avenues.
>   > Because this Wachtenheim family is all your family anyway, noone else
> would
>   > have interest to collect them, so you should have no fear in revealing
> that.
>   > You seem to really want to have some Wachtenheim data from the Catholic
>   > church books.
>   > Ask the living ones about their places of origin and start there.
>   > Church records are organized by parishes which usually cover more than
> one
>   > place and rather an area.
>   > If this is in Hungary or Slovakia, you have a chance to view the films
> of
>   > church records in the Mormon libraries, but have to order them first.
>   > There will be one obstacle with Jewish records;
>   > They are not as old as the Catholic ones.
>   > Nobody, except the Wachtenheims from Hungary, can now tell you, which
> church
>   > records to look at.
>   > Have you been researching the Wachtenheim family from Slovakia? There
> could
>   > also be a link as to where did they come from to Slovakia.
>   > Vladimir Bohinc
>   >




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Here's a site showing where Vysne Ruzbachy is.

http://www.sunflowers-agency.com/spas/vysne-ruzbachy-spa/location.php


Joe


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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [S-R] Vysne and Nyzne Ruzbachy



YES.....but where ARE Vysney and Nyzne Ruzbachy on the map?  I can't
find
them.
Is that Verecki in Hungarian?  Because it's still called Verecki
today.  Is
Ruzbachy in another part of the area?
Would someone locate them for me?

THank you!


Vysne  and Nyzne Ruzbachy are the Slovak village names. Your 1910 map
shows  Hungarian village names. You are correct in assuming Upper and

Lower.





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CURRENT MAP
To locate places in Europe, especially if you are not sure of the
proper spelling of the place name, the best reference is found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

ShtelSeeker will take you there via Mapquest.

Vyšné Ružbachy is 176.0 miles ENE of Bratislava, coordinates 49°18'
20°34'

Nizne Ruzbachy is one village south.
I did not locate Verecki.


--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, jump4toys@a... wrote:

> YES.....but where ARE Vysney and Nyzne Ruzbachy on the map?  I
can't  find
> them.
> Is that Verecki in Hungarian?  Because it's still called Verecki
today.  Is
> Ruzbachy in another part of the area?
> Would someone locate them for me?
>
> THank you!
>
>
> Vysne  and Nyzne Ruzbachy are the Slovak village names. Your 1910
map
> shows  Hungarian village names. You are correct in assuming Upper
and
> Lower.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for the info.  Verecki or VERESKI is located north of Svalyava.  It's
near Hukklivy.
Svalava/Szolyva/Soiva was near Munkacs, I think northeast of Munkacs in what
is now in Ukraine, but then in Hungary.

I still would like to know where it's listed that these 2 Wachtenheims are
born in Ruzbachy.

Thank you!
DAniel WAchtenheim

> CURRENT MAP

> To locate places in Europe, especially if you are not sure of the

> proper spelling of the place name, the best reference is found at

> http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

>

> ShtelSeeker will take you there via Mapquest.

>

> Vyšné Ružbachy is 176.0 miles ENE of Bratislava, coordinates 49°18'

> 20°34'

>

> Nizne Ruzbachy is one village south.

> I did not locate Verecki.

>

>

> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, jump4toys@a... wrote:

>
> > YES.....but where ARE Vysney and Nyzne Ruzbachy on the map?  I
> can't  find
> > them.
> > Is that Verecki in Hungarian?  Because it's still called Verecki
> today.  Is
> > Ruzbachy in another part of the area?
> > Would someone locate them for me?
> >
> > THank you!
> >
> >
> > Vysne  and Nyzne Ruzbachy are the Slovak village names. Your 1910
> map
> > shows  Hungarian village names. You are correct in assuming Upper
> and
> > Lower.
> >
> >




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Does anyone read Ukrainian???????

This would be fascinating for us, and maybe we can ask one person who reads
it to help us find information on the site.

DAniel Wachtenheim

> Janos Bogardi (http://www.radixlog.com) reports:
>
> "...Ukrainian county archives now have lists of their holdings, published
> on the Archives of Ukraine site. Amongst the other units one can find the
> one in Mukachevo: List of fonds the State Archives of the Zakarpattya
> County. A word of warning: site is in Ukrainian. The list is available for
> download in the PDF format.
>
> Basically, the archives in Mukachevo holds documents pertaining to the
> former Hungarian counties Ung, Bereg, Ugocsa and Maramaros. For some of
> them, holdings are only partial, as due to border changes various fonds
> went to Slovakia, Hungary and Romania, too. To help researchers archivists
> in these countries started to work together a few years ago. In fact, the
> above cited catalog is a fruit of joint work with the Museum in Satu Mare,
> Romania. On the Hungarian side the Archives of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg
> County (in Nyiregyhaza) takes a major role."
>
> http://www.archives.gov.ua/Publicat/Guidebooks/Putivnyk-Zak-obl.php
> http://www.archives.gov.ua/
>
> Now for the hard part: this site is written in Ukraine.
>
> Good Luck!
> Bill
>




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Could someone please explain the process someone would have to go
through step by step to immigrate to the US from Slovakia in 1906?
What papers were needed, where you had to go to apply, waiting period,
aproximate cost etc.
Thank you very much,

Becki

Here's your 98-page answer.

Message 3944.1 on the Delphi site:

There is an absolutely excellent book about the Rusyn US-immigrant
experience. It's an autobiography of Joseph Grisak, 1873-1950, born
in Slovinky, (today's Slovakia). It goes into great depth describing
day to day living. An absolutely precious glimpse into the past.
It has been recently scanned and is available at

http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf
Be forewarned. It is 352 Kb and 98 pages in length. You will need
Acrobat reader.


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wrote:
>
> Could someone please explain the process someone would have to go
> through step by step to immigrate to the US from Slovakia in 1906?
> What papers were needed, where you had to go to apply, waiting
period,
> aproximate cost etc.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Becki
>

In general, the requirements were fairly lax compared to today.  There are
other web sites that explain this much better than I.  By 1904, they had
expanded the data they collected on the manifests, but the doors were open
generally to anyone of good health who was deemed not to become a public
charge.

Other resources outside this group have much more to offer on this topic.
It's not my expertise, but I'm happy to share what I know.

1. Often you bought a package ticket from a shipping company.  It bought you
rail transit to the port of departure, lodging at the port until departure,
passage and meals.  Others can help with the exact price, but I believe it
was about 20 to 30 US dollars for passage.  The average rural wage if I
recall right was about 25 cents an hour, if that, if they could earn it.
Most often it was borrowed.
2. While Hungary had official passports
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/document_examples.htm many people from our
region, simply slipped away, using documents that looked like passports.

3. By this time, Hungary had ordered that everyone depart through
Trieste/Fiume in order to control the outflow, but generally speaking, our
people still snuck out the leaky back door to the north and west.   So they
had friends or family take them (or they walked) to the nearest train
station.  Once they got outside of Hungary, most officials couldn't even
read the document language, so they were generally golden.

4.   The ship's purser filled in the ship manifests (that you see today at
ellisisland.org).  It was up to them to get it right and make sure the
people were healthy.  If they didn't and were rejected at EI, the shipping
co had to pay the expense to return the person back home.  Passports were
not generally required.  In fact, the shipping companies really made a huge
profit out of steerage, building huge 1000 person steamers primarily for
this purpose.

5. Once at EI, they were inspected and generally set to go once they were
deemed healthy and  had enough money (or someone to come and get them)  read
http://www.ellisisland.com/indexHistory.html

Go to the bottom of this page
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/EIDB_Errors.htm
And use the links to find out more
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Could someone please explain the process someone would have to go
through step by step to immigrate to the US from Slovakia in 1906?
What papers were needed, where you had to go to apply, waiting period,
aproximate cost etc.
Thank you very much,

Becki






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Great question, Becki!  I too am interested in any response to this question.
Kris

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Subject: [S-R] Process for immigration


Could someone please explain the process someone would have to go
through step by step to immigrate to the US from Slovakia in 1906?
What papers were needed, where you had to go to apply, waiting period,
aproximate cost etc.
Thank you very much,

Becki






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Yeah, what Kris and Becki said -- too bad the lawyers
are working me too hard to actually get to read this
today -- but I'll get back to it, thanks again all and
to Becki for bringing it up.


Caye



--- krisstrot@... wrote:

> Great question, Becki!  I too am interested in any
> response to this question.
> Kris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scorpioforu <beckiblair@...>
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:16:40 -0000
> Subject: [S-R] Process for immigration
>
>
> Could someone please explain the process someone
> would have to go
> through step by step to immigrate to the US from
> Slovakia in 1906?
> What papers were needed, where you had to go to
> apply, waiting period,
> aproximate cost etc.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Becki
>
>
>
>
>
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Yeah, what Kris and Becki said -- too bad the lawyers
are working me too hard to actually get to read this
today -- but I'll get back to it, thanks again all and
to Becki for bringing it up.


Caye



--- krisstrot@... wrote:

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> response to this question.
> Kris
>
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> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [S-R] Process for immigration
>
>
> Could someone please explain the process someone
> would have to go
> through step by step to immigrate to the US from
> Slovakia in 1906?
> What papers were needed, where you had to go to
> apply, waiting period,
> aproximate cost etc.
> Thank you very much,
>
> Becki
>
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I found a neat site called NewsLibrary.com
It only goes back about 15 or so years but if you look at news papers for USA
it
list death notices and other info. I searched my Okenka sur name and found
one I was looking for along with another family Nemecek and found an
announcement of 50 year anniversary.
You all may already know of this site but it was new to me.
JENNIFER


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John,
Thank you for that link to the fantastic story about Joseph Grisak! It
gave me an idea of what times were like back then in the day of my own
Pavlik family line. Thank you again.  Becki



> http://www.saed.kent.edu/~lucak/topica/Grisak.pdf

Bill,

I am responding to an earlier discussion on participants and lurkers.

You brought out a good point that perhaps those of us less active (lurkers)
should share some of the good that has come of learning from the people on
this forum.

I have two to share.
A second cousin of mine contacted me and it revived contact between my mom
and her cousin.
Also, through the jewishgen web-site I was able to find the boat on which
my grandmother came to the US in 1923, the Orca. I wasn't able to find the
other boat from 1930, but probably will eventually. I just don't have
enough time to go deeper and the pocket book could use a little help too.
There is a third one in the works, just can't share until I have more
details.

I hope that gives encouragement to all those novice reasearchers like
myself out there. One more thing, there are people around us who are
silently suffering, because they think they don't have enough information
to start their own search.  There are so many tools available today, that
it's not possible to exhaust them completely. I have a friend at work that
just needed some of the information that I learned on this board to give
him encouragment.

Thanks

Joe



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This tool is simply amazing.  One of the most comprehensive satellite
mapping tools I've seen on the web

From their site:
------
Google Earth (beta)
"For anyone who has ever dreamed of flying..." - NY Times
The idea is simple. It’s a globe that sits inside your PC. You point and
zoom to anyplace on the planet that you want to explore. Satellite images
and local facts zoom into view. Tap into Google search to show local points
of interest and facts. Zoom to a specific address to check out an apartment
or hotel. View driving directions and even fly along your route. We invite
you to try it now.
Google Earth is free for personal use. No registration is required.

------
My notes:

While it doesn't zoom in great detail to many villages in Slovakia, it does
provide the general perspective.  The larger cities like Bratislava do have
more detailed images.  It's not just Slovakia, it's the whole world.  Pick a
place and go visit.  It's kind of like bringing a topographical map to life,
in full color.  Roads are named, the interface is extremely intuitive.  Make
sure you have enough free disk space, because the program is downloaded to
your computer, then draws images from Google's map server.  It even shows
place names such as mountain peaks, swamps and the like.

Download it from here:  http://earth.google.com/earth.html

Have Fun!

______________
Bill Tarkulich
 

I just received the following e-mail and have no idea what it says other
than that it refers to a family I am researching. Presuming someone would be
kind enough to translate this for me, is there any point to my trying to
respond in English?



Thanks, Janet





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Oops, forgot to include the message! Here it is:

I would be grateful for any help.

Janet


Dobry den prajem,

Volam sa Roman Ruttkay pochadzam z Kosic a mam 30 rokov. Pred niekolkymi
minutami som surfoval po internetovej stranke kde som sa dozvedel, ze by ste
boli rada zistit rodokmen rodiny Ruttkay.Tak zopar viet o mojej rodine. Moj
dedko Ivan Ruttkay, ktory zomrel pred 15-timi rokmi sa narodil a vyrastal vo
Vrutkach pri Martine.Po sobasi s mojou babkou Elenou Stodolovou-Ruttkayovou
sa pristahovali do Kosic.

Tak to je len tak skutocne v skratke, ale samozrejme som ochotny napisat aj
viac informacii o mojej rodine a predkoch. Ak mate este stale zaujem budem
rad ak mi napisete a ja vam promntne odpoviem. Bol  by som velmi rad ak by
ste zopar vetami napisali nieco o svojej rodine-predkoch.

S pozdravom   Roman Ruttkay

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
<bill.tarkulich@i...> wrote:
>
> This tool is simply amazing.  One of the most comprehensive satellite
> mapping tools I've seen on the web
>
> Bill, I really enjoyed this program, a great tool, but I want to
share my problem I had with it.  I got allot of spyware problems from
it. I went out and got a Spyware program, but still had to remove the
Google Earth program from my computer because it was such a problem
for me. It was a great free program though, but dealing with all those
adware problems, I had to give it up.

I have it and use it, and have 'flown' over the family areas in
Slovakia.  I found that if I adjust the vertical scale to 1.4 it
shows the hills and mountains in a more realistic perspective.

Now to figure out how to record the video so I can share it with
family here and in Slovakia.  Recordings are only availble with the
$200 package... a bit steep for my purposes!

It was neat to fly over the area I hiked along and see the features
from a bird's eye-view.

I have Spybot and do regular searches, so I had no trouble with
adware or spy ware.  THis is a great service Google offers!

Ron

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
<bill.tarkulich@i...> wrote:
>
> This tool is simply amazing.  One of the most comprehensive
satellite
> mapping tools I've seen on the web
>
> From their site:
> ------
> Google Earth (beta)
> "For anyone who has ever dreamed of flying..." - NY Times
> The idea is simple. It's a globe that sits inside your PC. You
point and
> zoom to anyplace on the planet that you want to explore. Satellite
images
> and local facts zoom into view. Tap into Google search to show
local points
> of interest and facts. Zoom to a specific address to check out an
apartment
> or hotel. View driving directions and even fly along your route.
We invite
> you to try it now.
> Google Earth is free for personal use. No registration is required.
>
> ------
> My notes:
>
> While it doesn't zoom in great detail to many villages in
Slovakia, it does
> provide the general perspective.  The larger cities like
Bratislava do have
> more detailed images.  It's not just Slovakia, it's the whole
world.  Pick a
> place and go visit.  It's kind of like bringing a topographical
map to life,
> in full color.  Roads are named, the interface is extremely
intuitive.  Make
> sure you have enough free disk space, because the program is
downloaded to
> your computer, then draws images from Google's map server.  It
even shows
> place names such as mountain peaks, swamps and the like.
>
> Download it from here:  http://earth.google.com/earth.html
>
> Have Fun!
>
> ______________
> Bill Tarkulich
>  
>

That is odd and contrary to my findings.  Although I use anti-spy ware
software, I've not seen any up tick in spy ware attempts (in the logs) since
I loaded Google Earth.

1. No where in the License agreement does it indicate the use of spy ware or
acceptance thereof.

2.
Google Earth Free 3.0.0693 Beta - SOFTPEDIA "100% CLEAN" AWARD

This software product was tested in the Softpedia labs on: 28 June 2005

Softpedia guarantees that Google Earth Free 3.0.0693 Beta is 100% CLEAN,
which means is does not contain any form of malware, including but not
limited to: spyware, viruses, trojans and backdoors.

This software product was tested thoroughly and was found absolutely clean,
therefore it can be installed with no concern by any computer user. However,
it should be noted that this product will be retested periodically and the
award may be withdrawn, so you should check back this page and especially
the date of testing shown above.
Source: http://www.softpedia.com/progReportSpyware/15-5-988

3. If you are running an older version of spyware, it may flag a "false
positive".  Which means, it thinks Google Earth is spyware, but in fact it
is not.  Always make sure your spyware software is up to date.
More info: http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61941

I suspect your removing of Google Earth was coincident with removal of
spyware by some other means.  How did you ascertain it was Google Earth
causing the problems?

______________
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:27 AM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Re: Slightly OT: A 3D interface to the planet - Google Earth

--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
<bill.tarkulich@i...> wrote:
>
> This tool is simply amazing.  One of the most comprehensive satellite
> mapping tools I've seen on the web
>
> Bill, I really enjoyed this program, a great tool, but I want to
share my problem I had with it.  I got allot of spyware problems from
it. I went out and got a Spyware program, but still had to remove the
Google Earth program from my computer because it was such a problem
for me. It was a great free program though, but dealing with all those
adware problems, I had to give it up.






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Thanks for sharing your small steps and big steps with everyone.  Each
immigrant's path was unique and often stock recipes simply don't work.
Being creative and persistent as Joe has yields great rewards.

Joe also points out that some people with little information to start with
don't get started.  Another great point.

I started knowing only the most basic of things about my grandparents.
1. "They were from Czechoslovakia or Ukraine or Russia."
2. They went to a Ukrainian Catholic Church
3. He fled from military conscription.
4. She had a brother in Scranton.

Really.  That was all even their children knew. Or at least that's all they
think they knew.  Largely because none of them were interested.  And
eventually I not only found their village, but my 3rd cousins as well.

Look at the birds in the winter.  Scouring the ground for the smallest of
morsels for sustenance.  It keeps them alive.  It's the same with genealogy.
The smallest morsels of information can reveal great things!

Thanks for the words Joe and congratulations on your important discoveries.

______________
Bill Tarkulich



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From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Mrnka
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:16 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Small Victories

Bill,

I am responding to an earlier discussion on participants and lurkers.

You brought out a good point that perhaps those of us less active (lurkers)
should share some of the good that has come of learning from the people on
this forum.

I have two to share.
A second cousin of mine contacted me and it revived contact between my mom
and her cousin.
Also, through the jewishgen web-site I was able to find the boat on which
my grandmother came to the US in 1923, the Orca. I wasn't able to find the
other boat from 1930, but probably will eventually. I just don't have
enough time to go deeper and the pocket book could use a little help too.
There is a third one in the works, just can't share until I have more
details.

I hope that gives encouragement to all those novice reasearchers like
myself out there. One more thing, there are people around us who are
silently suffering, because they think they don't have enough information
to start their own search.  There are so many tools available today, that
it's not possible to exhaust them completely. I have a friend at work that
just needed some of the information that I learned on this board to give
him encouragment.

Thanks

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Bill,
loving birds, i thought that your comparision of birds hunting for the
slightest morsel of food,  to genealogists hunting for the smallest morsel of
information to be very colorful.
one thing greatly caught my attention when you spoke of the four things you
knew when you started.  you said that your grandfather fled conscription.  my
cousin told me that our grandfather fled from conscription.  where would one
search for information on this matter?  my grandfather was from north eastern
Slovakia near to Poprad.  so it would have been from the Hungarian government, i
assume.
thank you.
noreen


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The Grisak story has a lot of info about conscription. See Delphi
board message # 3944.1

http://forums.delphiforums.com/iarelative/messages

> where would one search for information on this matter?

I suspect your removing of Google Earth was coincident with removal of
spyware by some other means.  How did you ascertain it was Google Earth
causing the problems?



Bill,  I downloaded it and was using it, and then began to have conflict
problems, (I have more then enough free space, so that wasn't the reason), and I
was getting allot of "ADs" I never had that many before.  But then I was surfing
the net, too, on allot of the Euro sites.  I had quit a problem my computer was
freezing up, and working so slow (I have over 87 % free space) .  I had to call 
HP  tech. support, and they told me it was malicious Adware that was causing the
problem, it was using up all my  CU (?) space. They told me it was probably
something new I downloaded, &  that program was the only thing new I put on the
computer, so I uninstalled it and ran out and go Spysweeper.  You are probably
right, it was very likely coincidental.  But, you have given me encouragement to
try this program again, thanks for the information about it being free of
spyware, I did enjoy the program very much, I hated to give it up.  I zeroed in
on relatives in Slovakia, by knowing their addresses, and got a good idea of
what their town and even street looks like over there, from here in Chicago!  It
was very enjoyable, to span the globe!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Janet

translation:

Good day,
My name is Roman Ruttkay, I come from Kosice and I am 30 years old. I was
surfing the net and found that you are looking into genealogy/history of
family name Ruttkay. Therefore, here are few details about my family.
My grandfather, Ivan Ruttkay, died 15 years ago and was born and was
brought up in the town/village of Vrutky pri Martine. After the marriage
to my grandmother, Elena Stodolova-Rutkkayova(I think he means Stodolova
was her maiden mane), they moved to Kosice.

So this is realy just bit of information, but I am willing to write you
more about my family and my ancestors. If you are still interested, I
would be grateful if you could write back and I will reply promptly. I
would be also grateful if you could give me few details about your family
and ancestors.

Best regards

Roman Ruttkay

Janet
I suggest that you e-mail him back and ask him if you can write in
English. there is strong possibility that he or somebody in his family
speaks English.

Good luck and I hope this helps.

Best wishes

Sylvia

--- Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:

> Oops, forgot to include the message! Here it is:
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
> Dobry den prajem,
>
> Volam sa Roman Ruttkay pochadzam z Kosic a mam 30 rokov. Pred niekolkymi
> minutami som surfoval po internetovej stranke kde som sa dozvedel, ze by
> ste
> boli rada zistit rodokmen rodiny Ruttkay.Tak zopar viet o mojej rodine.
> Moj
> dedko Ivan Ruttkay, ktory zomrel pred 15-timi rokmi sa narodil a
> vyrastal vo
> Vrutkach pri Martine.Po sobasi s mojou babkou Elenou
> Stodolovou-Ruttkayovou
> sa pristahovali do Kosic.
>
> Tak to je len tak skutocne v skratke, ale samozrejme som ochotny napisat
> aj
> viac informacii o mojej rodine a predkoch. Ak mate este stale zaujem
> budem
> rad ak mi napisete a ja vam promntne odpoviem. Bol  by som velmi rad ak
> by
> ste zopar vetami napisali nieco o svojej rodine-predkoch.
>
> S pozdravom   Roman Ruttkay
>
>
>
>





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Thank you very much, Sylvia. I really appreciate it. I will try writing.

Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sylvia Ofei-Kwatia
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:04 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-R] Help needed with translation

Janet

translation:

Good day,
My name is Roman Ruttkay, I come from Kosice and I am 30 years old. I was
surfing the net and found that you are looking into genealogy/history of
family name Ruttkay. Therefore, here are few details about my family.
My grandfather, Ivan Ruttkay, died 15 years ago and was born and was
brought up in the town/village of Vrutky pri Martine. After the marriage
to my grandmother, Elena Stodolova-Rutkkayova(I think he means Stodolova
was her maiden mane), they moved to Kosice.

So this is realy just bit of information, but I am willing to write you
more about my family and my ancestors. If you are still interested, I
would be grateful if you could write back and I will reply promptly. I
would be also grateful if you could give me few details about your family
and ancestors.

Best regards

Roman Ruttkay

Janet
I suggest that you e-mail him back and ask him if you can write in
English. there is strong possibility that he or somebody in his family
speaks English.

Good luck and I hope this helps.

Best wishes

Sylvia

--- Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...> wrote:

> Oops, forgot to include the message! Here it is:
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
> Dobry den prajem,
>
> Volam sa Roman Ruttkay pochadzam z Kosic a mam 30 rokov. Pred niekolkymi
> minutami som surfoval po internetovej stranke kde som sa dozvedel, ze by
> ste
> boli rada zistit rodokmen rodiny Ruttkay.Tak zopar viet o mojej rodine.
> Moj
> dedko Ivan Ruttkay, ktory zomrel pred 15-timi rokmi sa narodil a
> vyrastal vo
> Vrutkach pri Martine.Po sobasi s mojou babkou Elenou
> Stodolovou-Ruttkayovou
> sa pristahovali do Kosic.
>
> Tak to je len tak skutocne v skratke, ale samozrejme som ochotny napisat
> aj
> viac informacii o mojej rodine a predkoch. Ak mate este stale zaujem
> budem
> rad ak mi napisete a ja vam promntne odpoviem. Bol  by som velmi rad ak
> by
> ste zopar vetami napisali nieco o svojej rodine-predkoch.
>
> S pozdravom   Roman Ruttkay
>
>
>
>





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Here's a wee bit more, based on some research I have done:
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm#conscri
ption


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-----Original Message-----
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of johnqadam
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:53 PM
To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-R] Conscription

The Grisak story has a lot of info about conscription. See Delphi
board message # 3944.1

http://forums.delphiforums.com/iarelative/messages

> where would one search for information on this matter?







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Many greeting to all my friends from Slovakia, the weather is great. I am in
Liptovska Teplicka now, the views of the High Tatreas are FANTASTIC, what a day.

Vladi

If you need anything email me or call me in Slovakia at 011-421-918-075-291

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Janet,
This is all very interesting! My maiden name is Kecskes. Thanks for
the info.
Ildiko Scott
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Kozlay" <kozlay@c...>
wrote:
>
> I, too, have been fascinated by the practice of name changing both
because
> there are some prominent examples in history and because I
discovered some
> pretty startling ones in my own family name. In my case I have
traced the
> name from KOZLIK to KOZIK to KECSKES to KOZLAY. The family
originated in
> Upper Hungary, with a very Slavic name, and changed as they moved
further
> and further south and "became" Hungarian. These changes all took
place prior
> to 1850. (Kecskes is a translation of the Slavic word for "goat"
(Koz) to
> its Hungarian equivalent.) Slovak names were not the only ones to be
> "Hungarianized." Jewish, German, and Croatian names were also often
changed
> to more Hungarian ones, both in Hungary and in the U.S. It was
clearly an
> advantage in the 19th century to have a Hungarian name in Hungary,
and often
> was an advantage in the U.S., especially mid-century.
>
> However, I agree that some apparent name changes only reflect
spelling
> differences or the language in which the church records were
written, as
> pointed out both by "johnqadam" and by Bill Tarkulich. I, too,
question
> whether anyone was ever called Michael, or Johannes, despite their
> appearance in the records. As for Kristoffy/Kristofik, there are
old Latin
> records of Christoffi and Christoffi, which surely represent the
same name,
> if not the same family. Nor do I think you can make more than an
educated
> guess about what language a family spoke on the basis of how a name
was
> spelled in the records. There were so many ethnic groups living
together,
> they were almost forced to be multilingual unless they came from a
very
> small, ethnically "pure" village. We have evidence that among
related
> families in Upper Hungary, some spoke Slovak, some German, and some
> Hungarian, though all shared the same family name.
>
> Janet
>

If you are lucky, as I was, you may find old church records that give
people's everyday nicknames.

Alki, Borka, Hanc~a, Miso, Ondo, Giri, etc.  Lovely.

----- Original Message -----
From: "nurse_ildiko" <nurse_ildiko@...>
To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Hungarianized Surnames


> Janet,
> This is all very interesting! My maiden name is Kecskes. Thanks for
> the info.
> Ildiko Scott
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Kozlay" <kozlay@c...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I, too, have been fascinated by the practice of name changing both
> because
>> there are some prominent examples in history and because I
> discovered some
>> pretty startling ones in my own family name. In my case I have
> traced the
>> name from KOZLIK to KOZIK to KECSKES to KOZLAY. The family
> originated in
>> Upper Hungary, with a very Slavic name, and changed as they moved
> further
>> and further south and "became" Hungarian. These changes all took
> place prior
>> to 1850. (Kecskes is a translation of the Slavic word for "goat"
> (Koz) to
>> its Hungarian equivalent.) Slovak names were not the only ones to be
>> "Hungarianized." Jewish, German, and Croatian names were also often
> changed
>> to more Hungarian ones, both in Hungary and in the U.S. It was
> clearly an
>> advantage in the 19th century to have a Hungarian name in Hungary,
> and often
>> was an advantage in the U.S., especially mid-century.
>>
>> However, I agree that some apparent name changes only reflect
> spelling
>> differences or the language in which the church records were
> written, as
>> pointed out both by "johnqadam" and by Bill Tarkulich. I, too,
> question
>> whether anyone was ever called Michael, or Johannes, despite their
>> appearance in the records. As for Kristoffy/Kristofik, there are
> old Latin
>> records of Christoffi and Christoffi, which surely represent the
> same name,
>> if not the same family. Nor do I think you can make more than an
> educated
>> guess about what language a family spoke on the basis of how a name
> was
>> spelled in the records. There were so many ethnic groups living
> together,
>> they were almost forced to be multilingual unless they came from a
> very
>> small, ethnically "pure" village. We have evidence that among
> related
>> families in Upper Hungary, some spoke Slovak, some German, and some
>> Hungarian, though all shared the same family name.
>>
>> Janet
>>
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