> Why did Lady Bullseye's reply come from my address?
> that is just too wierd, whats up?

Sorry rissa, but the only thing I can think of is that you left my
computer signed in under your name when you came over the other day.
(Why did you post your question rather than sending me an Email?)

Lady Bullseye


> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Larissa Palmer
> <royalbabysitter@> wrote:
> >
> > My neck of the woods-
> > just outside a little small town called Creston in BC Canada
> > (AKA The Kingdom of Albanycrest)
> > Thankyou
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Avaline <avaline_2003@>
> > To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:17:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Starting a period Herbalist guild
> >
> >
> > The Compagnie of Gleann Abhann Herbalists has their charter and
by-
> laws on line here:
> >  
> > http://gacompagnie. bravehost. com/index_ files/Charter. htm
> >  
> > Also, there are some other SCA Herb groups in the Links section. 
> >  
> > Hope this helps.
> >  
> > BTW, where is your neck of the woods?
> >  
> >
> >
> > scottishladyrobinho od <scottishladyrobinho od@yahoo. ca> wrote:
> > Can anyone give me information on startind a period Herbal guild?
> > I am planning on starting one over in my neck of the woods and I
> need
> > all the help I can get!
> > Thankyou!
> >
> > Lady Bullseye
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Avaline la Chevriere
> > o--}--------- ---------------
> > " He that gives good advice, builds with one hand; he that gives
> good counsel and example, builds with both; he that gives good
> admonition and bad example, builds with one hand and pulls down
with
> the other." - Sir Francis Bacon
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
Mobile.
> Try it now.
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go
to
> Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at
http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
> >
>

Oh! sorry, I probably did.
Thanks for figuring that out (Forgive the blonde in my hair)

Larissa, Daughter of Bruce


--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "scottishladyrobinhood"
<scottishladyrobinhood@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Why did Lady Bullseye's reply come from my address?
> > that is just too wierd, whats up?
>
> Sorry rissa, but the only thing I can think of is that you left my
> computer signed in under your name when you came over the other day.
> (Why did you post your question rather than sending me an Email?)
>
> Lady Bullseye
>
>
> > --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Larissa Palmer
> > <royalbabysitter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My neck of the woods-
> > > just outside a little small town called Creston in BC Canada
> > > (AKA The Kingdom of Albanycrest)
> > > Thankyou
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Avaline <avaline_2003@>
> > > To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:17:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Starting a period Herbalist guild
> > >
> > >
> > > The Compagnie of Gleann Abhann Herbalists has their charter and
> by-
> > laws on line here:
> > >  
> > > http://gacompagnie. bravehost. com/index_ files/Charter. htm
> > >  
> > > Also, there are some other SCA Herb groups in the Links
section. 
> > >  
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >  
> > > BTW, where is your neck of the woods?
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > scottishladyrobinho od <scottishladyrobinho od@yahoo. ca> wrote:
> > > Can anyone give me information on startind a period Herbal
guild?
> > > I am planning on starting one over in my neck of the woods and
I
> > need
> > > all the help I can get!
> > > Thankyou!
> > >
> > > Lady Bullseye
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Avaline la Chevriere
> > > o--}--------- ---------------
> > > " He that gives good advice, builds with one hand; he that
gives
> > good counsel and example, builds with both; he that gives good
> > admonition and bad example, builds with one hand and pulls down
> with
> > the other." - Sir Francis Bacon
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> Mobile.
> > Try it now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people.
Go
> to
> > Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at
> http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
> > >
> >
>

I have a couple questions for someone who works with natural dyes.
I have some indigo for dyeing hair.  It's green, but I see that most
indigo for cloth dyeing is blue from having been through a fermentation
process.  Can I use my hair indigo for cotton without further processing?
Also, I have some madder powder that I bought a couple years ago.  It
has been stored in a sealed heavy plastic bag in a cool place out of the
light.  Does it go bad or lose potency, and if so, how do I tell?
Can someone recommend a good how-to site for a beginning dyer?
Thanks!
Ghazalah

Greetings to the list!
I am again seeking those valiant souls that might consider teaching a
youth class at Great Northeastern War 22 in Malagentia in July. Each
year we offer a large slate of youth classes all day Saturday. Classes
are offered for all age ranges and teachers are welcome to designate
both class size and age ranges. We have offered several basic herb
classes in the past and they were well received by the kids. We are
looking for 30 minute classes on most any SCA topic that is near and
dear to your heart. We offer scheduled enclosed tent space, tables and
chairs, class planning assistance, adult helpers during class, whatever
you might need. We are happy to work with you on scheduling around
other event commitments that day. If you think you might be willing to
offer a youth class, please contact Aelfwyn@... with your ideas or
questions. Have the fun of training up the SCA Next Generation!
Many Thanks,
Aelfwyn

This is another book review, of a book that doesn't seem to include the
primary source text in toto, but to discuss it. It may only be relevant to
those who are madly interested in serious research on the care of horses
in period, but I thought I'd pass it along.

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: TMR 08.01.22 McCabe, A Byzantine Encyclopedia of Horse Medicine
(Decker)
From:    "The Medieval Review" <tmrl@...>
Date:    Mon, January 28, 2008 1:19 pm
To:      tmr-l@...
          bmr-l@...
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McCabe, Anne. <i>A Byzantine Encyclopaedia of Horse Medicine: The
Sources,
Compilation, and Transmission of the Hippiatrica.</i> Oxford: Oxford
University Press, 2007. Pp. 347. $99.00. ISBN 978-0-19-927755-1.

     Reviewed by Michael Decker
          University of South Florida
          mdecker@...


<i>A Byzantine Encyclopaedia of Horse Medicine</i> by Anne McCabe
deals with a
little known work called the <i>Hippiatrica</i>, a handbook for
veterinarians
and horse keepers. The book grew out of McCabe's doctoral thesis, and
she shows full command of the material and a rare combination of
textual facility, technical knowledge (of both manuscripts and their
subjects) and the ability to use these in contextualizing historical
documents.

The study begins with an overview of the <i>Hippiatrica</i> and
immediately
stresses that it, like the <i>Geoponica</i>, the agricultural manual
with
which it is often compared, is the product of two movements. The first
of these is the development of specialized disciplinary knowledge in
the technical arts that we detect over the third through sixth
centuries AD. The second is the trend of scribal excerpting that
occurred in the tenth century, when technical literature was revived in
intellectual circles in Constantinople. Although they were produced in
the rather rarified environment of elite circles in the imperial
center, these books had an utterly practical function. This fact would
be easy to forget, but McCabe does a good job of foregrounding the
various mixtures of real-world needs and literary choices that yield
the text that we have.

The first section, "Manuscripts of the <i>Hippiatrica</i>" is a
discussion of
the twenty-five copies of the twenty-two known manuscripts from five
principal recensions produced from the tenth through the sixteenth
centuries, with edition and English translation of the
<i>Hippiatrica</i>,
both of which are sorely needed.

Following a short discussion of the printed editions and translation of
the text in from the early modern period until today, McCabe devotes a
brief chapter, "The Form of the <i>Hippiatrica</i>" to the question
of why and
how late antique and medieval texts were assembled. The late antique
habit of producing excerpt collections offered the advantage of ease of
use and made a range of material more accessible to users; the
arrangement of such books by subject or alphabetically by author
allowed for ready reference. Those who called for, and often made, such
books were men like Oribasius, who produced a dietary work for the
emperor Julian, or Tribonian, who oversaw the collection of the
Pandects of Justinian two centuries later. McCabe sees such works as
essentially arising out of need: professionals wanted easily usable
reference works. These books were furthermore natural products of a
culture in which learned men deferred to the weight of past authority
while leaving their own marks on the work via selection, arrangement,
and commentary.

Next, the seven major sources of the <i>Hippiatrica</i> are treated
in turn.
Anatolius of Berytus, a fourth-century writer who produced a farming
handbook, is the first of these considered. Anatolius was of primary
importance as a bridge for technical knowledge from antiquity to the
medieval world, living as he did in a pivotal era, and producing a
highly esteemed and widely copied work. His work on farming forms a
large portion of the <i>Geoponica</i>, and his veterinary material was
included not only in the <i>Hippiatrica</i>, but also in the work of the
fifth-century Latin agronomist Palladius. McCabe outlines the work of
Anatolius and its transmission, then discusses his sources, including
Pseudo-Democritus, Julius Africanus, Pamphilus, the Quintilii,
Tarentinus, Florentinus, and Apuleius. Here McCabe grapples with the
difficulty of disentangling the various strands of information that
have flowed into the handbook, many of them from a common source or
group of sources, and often via more than one primary author. We know
so little about many of the ancient authors and their treatises
underlying these technical excerpt-compilations that reconstruction of
specific source traditions is exceedingly complicated. Nevertheless
here, as elsewhere, the reader appreciates McCabe's clear prose and
focus.

The sections that follow fit within the comparative framework
established in the Anatolius chapter. Excerpts of the authors under
consideration are provided in parallel presentation of original and
translation. This permits McCabe to compare the subject author with
other writers contained in the Hippiatric corpus as well as with other
ancient agricultural authorities, particularly Columella and Varro. The
importance of Columella as a nexus of ancient agricultural knowledge is
interesting: he is the major Latin transmitter of the Punic knowledge
of the shadowy Carthaginian Mago, whose huge agricultural handbook was
translated into Latin, then into Greek and continually epitomized and
reworked over the centuries. Recently, Angelo Alvares Carrara has
argued that Mago provides the material not only for the <i>Geoponica</
i>, but
the Arabic agronomic handbook, the <i>Nabataean Agriculture</i>. [1]
While
this claim cannot be accepted without further work, the prominence of
Mago within the Hippiatric tradition shows that this body of tradition
possesses considerable promise in the Quellenstudien of agronomic
literature.

Chapters on Eumelus, Apsyrtus, Pelagonius, Theomnestus, Hierocles, and
Hippocrates follow. McCabe provides data on each author from ancient
and medieval notices of them and their work. To these she adds
considerable color through discussion of the distinct manner in which
these men worked, their style, and their respective place within the
veterinary tradition. Internal evidence provides a few clues of
authorship and expertise. From these we learn that the dominant source
of the <i>Hippiatrica Apsyrtus</i> was a military man familiar with the
Danubian lands. In his letters excerpted in the collection, we find
Apsyrtus corresponding with men from around the Mediterranean world,
including men of high rank. We learn further the sorts of works to
which he had access and parallel pursuits that informed his veterinary
practices, such as human medicine and magic.

In these passages we glimpse something of the richness of information
contained in the <i>Hippiatrica</i>. The text offers nuggets of precious
information on a range of subjects, especially the <i>materia medica</
i> that
veterinary writers presumed available to the horse doctor, among them
saffron, myrrh, and cassia. Such exotic substances were put to common
uses. They were used to treat wounds or to fumigate stalls. These
practices are echoed in the <i>Geoponica</i> and suggest that the
available
range of exotic substances and experimental nature of treatments were
varied and rich. McCabe has a keen eye for the enlightening, often
humorous anecdotes which frequently reveal precious glimpses of medical
thought, theory, and practice.

In "The Compilation and Evolution of the <i>Hippiatrica</i>" McCabe
tackles
the difficult question of dating the corpus. Scholars have generally
placed the compilation of the <i>Hippiatrica</i> in the tenth century,
specifically the reign of the emperor Constantine VII (913-959).
However, via meticulous study of the major recensions, McCabe argues
cogently for a late antique date of compilation and a tenth-century
revision of the text.

Like the intriguing text she chose as her subject, McCabe's work
touches on many different subjects and will be useful across a range of
scholarly interests. Despite the technical nature of her subject and
the complicated strands of her sources, McCabe handles the project with
aplomb and leads the reader seamlessly through this labyrinth with
clear prose and fine, extensively supported argument. Along the way she
continually displays her depth of learning and love of her subject. <i>A
Byzantine Encyclopaedia of Horse Medicine</i> establishes a new standard
work that will be consulted by those interested in the Hippiatric
corpus as well as those undertaking broader research in the
communication of scientific knowledge and its transmission through the
centuries.

------------------
Notes:

1. Angelo Alvares Carrara, "<i>Geoponica</i> and <i>Nabataean
Agriculture</i>:
A New Approach Into Their Sources and Authorship," <i>Arabic Science and
Philosophy</i> vol.16 (2006), 103-132.


--
-- Jenne Heise / Jadwiga Zajaczkowa
jenne@...

I'm looking for a tincture, if I can find one.  I'd much rather buy
from a fellow SCAdian than some unregulated commercial preparation.
That said, can anyone recommend a good second choice if I have to go
the store-bought route?  I'm intending to make a bug spray.

I'm looking for a tincture, if I can find one. I'd much rather buy
from a fellow SCAdian than some unregulated commercial preparation.
That said, can anyone recommend a good second choice if I have to go
the store-bought route? I'm intending to make a bug spray.

Lavender is grown profusely in Central Texas.  The town of Blanco is
having a Lavender Festival.  http://www.blanco-texas.com/blanco-
lavender-festival.html  Thought I'd share this, as many people love
lavender.

Dreda

Theres so much stuff going on in texas right now, and it's kina far
from us, so I think I'll just skip down to washington for the festival
there. But thankyou anyway!

-Larissa, daughter of Bruce



--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Lynda Boots"
<andromedarising@...> wrote:
>
> Lavender is grown profusely in Central Texas.  The town of Blanco is
> having a Lavender Festival.  http://www.blanco-texas.com/blanco-
> lavender-festival.html  Thought I'd share this, as many people love
> lavender.
>
> Dreda
>

Does spilling soy sauce on a brand new white dress count?  if so then yes my g/f
is quite good at that!

Brother Varinn

---- Lori Hannis <charmed3x3@...> wrote:

=============
Does any one in the group do natural dyeing?

   emeline


Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass
   it's learning to dance in the rain.
                                         Unknown.

Good gosh I hope not lol
I am just beginning a rather (personal) project and may need to call on some help from time to time, and it's also nice to chat with others that partake in my same craft.
Perhaps this will get things moving along again ...

Kimberly

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Robin Kennedy < robin.j.kennedy@...> wrote:

Good morrow, Gentles,

This list has been soooooo quiet that I wonder if it has disbanded?  And where is the moderator? The first posting to come through in a long time is obviously spam?

Maereta

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----- Original Message -----

From: Amy Provost

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:19 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Has the group disbanded?

We must be all busy in the gardens - the harvesting has begun!
This week I've been harvesting red clover blossoms, chickweed, oregano, and cleavers.  Also started a yarrow oil for my bruise balm recipe.

Ameline

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Robin Kennedy <robin.j.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morrow, Gentles,

This list has been soooooo quiet that I wonder if it has disbanded?  And where is the moderator? The first posting to come through in a long time is obviously spam?

Maereta

--
www.crookedwall.org
www.bthumbstudios.com

We must be all busy in the gardens - the harvesting has begun!
This week I've been harvesting red clover blossoms, chickweed, oregano, and cleavers.  Also started a yarrow oil for my bruise balm recipe.

Ameline

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Robin Kennedy <robin.j.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morrow, Gentles,

This list has been soooooo quiet that I wonder if it has disbanded?  And where is the moderator? The first posting to come through in a long time is obviously spam?

Maereta

--
www.crookedwall.org
www.bthumbstudios.com

It's still in the experimental stage, but ingredients will be oils of arnica, st. johnswort, yarrow, calendula, and comfrey.  I haven't decided if I'm going to include valerian in there as well (my first choice would be black willow, but there is that aspirin allergy in some people to worry about).   This will be a salve, since even if it melts in Pennsic heat, it will resolidify without being ruined like a lotion.  So about 1 part beeswax to 5 parts oil, plus a little vitamin E oil as a preservative.

There are bruise recipes in the files here, but none of them include yarrow.  This is odd, since the herbalist I studied under swears that yarrow is what helps the blood disperse and eliminate color more quickly.

Ameline

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Lori Hannis <charmed3x3@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh a bruise balm recipe...can i possibly beg you for it?

 

and thank you so much for the info on the sca dyeing

 

Emeline

Amy Provost <sparrowhawk9@gmail.com> wrote:

We must be all busy in the gardens - the harvesting has begun!
This week I've been harvesting red clover blossoms, chickweed, oregano, and cleavers.  Also started a yarrow oil for my bruise balm recipe.

Ameline

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Robin Kennedy <robin.j.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morrow, Gentles,

This list has been soooooo quiet that I wonder if it has disbanded?  And where is the moderator? The first posting to come through in a long time is obviously spam?

Maereta

--
www.crookedwall.org
www.bthumbstudios.com

Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass

it's learning to dance in the rain.

                                      Unknown.

--
www.crookedwall.org
www.bthumbstudios.com

Last night my kitten spilled the melt from a bowl of rocky road ice cream all
over my white t.  (Chocolate is bad for catpeople but that didn't stop him from
trying to steal it!) That surely must count also!
A.

>Does spilling soy sauce on a brand new white dress count?  if so then yes my
g/f is quite good at that!
>
>Brother Varinn
>
>---- Lori Hannis <charmed3x3@...> wrote:
>
>=============
>Does any one in the group do natural dyeing?
>
>  emeline

English doesn't just borrow words from other languages.  It follows them down
dark alleys, hits them over the head with old beer bottles and rummages through
their pockets for loose grammar.

I just read in my "Wild color" that Rhubarb is a good mordant, has any one used it?

 

Emeline

I have been very busy this past while, we have been recieving almost a
constant downpour of rain all month (And part of last month)Not that I
mind as I'm always "Ready for a storm", but with the lightning and
thunder, weeds are trying to take over not only my too wet to mow lawm,
but my herb gardens as well. Dyeing is a wonderful topic I hope to
learn more about (If I can fit the art of it in with all the fencing
lessons my brother insists upon throughout the day.
Oh- I love your quote!

Larissa, Daughter of Bruce


--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Lori Hannis <charmed3x3@...>
wrote:
>
> Does any one in the group do natural dyeing?
>
>   emeline
>
>
> Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass
>   it's learning to dance in the rain.
>                                         Unknown.
>

I have been very busy this past while, we have been recieving almost a
constant downpour of rain all month (And part of last month)Not that I
mind as I'm always "Ready for a storm", but with the lightning and
thunder, weeds are trying to take over not only my too wet to mow lawm,
but my herb gardens as well. Dyeing is a wonderful topic I hope to
learn more about (If I can fit the art of it in with all the fencing
lessons my brother insists upon throughout the day.
Oh- I love your quote!

Larissa, Daughter of Bruce

--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Lori Hannis <charmed3x3@...>
wrote:
>
> Does any one in the group do natural dyeing?
>
> emeline
>
>
> Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass
> it's learning to dance in the rain.
> Unknown.
>