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#4890 From: "Lord Valeryjan" <lord_valeryjan@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: Lavender Mineral Bath Salts lord_valeryjan
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1/2 c Epsom salt

1/2 c Baking soda
1/2 c Borax

2 dr Food coloring

40 dr Scented oil

This is my recipe, I hope it helps. I use a little food coloring to just barely tint the granuals . . .

best wishes . . .

Lord Val

Outlands

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:24 AM

Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Lavender Mineral Bath Salts

I received a gift at Pennsic of Lavender Mineral Bath Salts and I love them! Unfortunately I am almost out. However, I do have the ingredient list, but no clue as to the individual amounts. Is anyone familiar with receipe ingredients listed below, and therefore can tell me what amounts to mix?

Dead Sea Salts

Borax

Baking Soda

Essential Oils

Much thanks!!

Valentina

#4891 From: <kingstaste@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 6:37 pm
Subject: RE: Lavender Mineral Bath Salts kingstaste
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You are generally going to use 20-30 drops of any given oil per bathtub of water. I use about a cup to a cup and a half of salts when I soak in the tub, but I'm usually going for heavy-duty muscle spasm easing.

Christianna

#4892 From: Valarie Ziminsky <elzregina@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 1:58 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 elzregina
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Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

#4893 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 presleysmom_...
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I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

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Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

#4894 From: "otsisto" <otsisto@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 7:17 pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 1235 alfrdis
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Perhaps you might ask on a brewers list of the cooking list if you don't get an answer here.

Lyse

-----Original Message-----

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

#4895 From: "Lord Valeryjan" <lord_valeryjan@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 lord_valeryjan
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I haven't, but it sure sounds good though . . .

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From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:45 AM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

#4896 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 presleysmom_...
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It was a fluke but it is rather Yummy

Sheridan

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From: Lord Valeryjan

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I haven't, but it sure sounds good though . . .

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From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:45 AM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

#4897 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 presleysmom_...
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Good suggestion thank you.

Sheridan

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From: otsisto

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:17 PM

Subject: RE: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Perhaps you might ask on a brewers list of the cooking list if you don't get an answer here.

Lyse

-----Original Message-----

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

#4898 From: "Lord Valeryjan" <lord_valeryjan@...>
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 lord_valeryjan
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Well if you care to share, I am doing an A&S class on cordials, liqueurs, and mead (if Lady Halla agrees to teach her recipe for meads) in December in our shire. I will give you full credit for the excellent mistake!! I am sure that in period there were times when many things were discovered by mistake!!

YIS

Val

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From: Sara Glaze

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

It was a fluke but it is rather Yummy

Sheridan

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From: Lord Valeryjan

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I haven't, but it sure sounds good though . . .

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From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:45 AM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

#4899 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2005 1:04 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 presleysmom_...
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Well ok

Lemon Peppercon Cordial

Materials

5 lemons

2 1/2 cups sugar

1 1/2 cup water

2 1/2 cups Light Rum

5-6 whole Peppercorns

Lemons are peeled avoiding the pith. Then you slice open the lemons and squeeze the juice into the bottle you are going to use. Cut the lemons in to small pieces and add to the bottle too. ( you will strain everything out later)

In a small sauce pan combine the sugar and water and heat until disolved making a simple syrup. Pour into bottle with the lemons. When this cools you can add the rum and the peppercorns. Let sit for a week and a half. You then need to strain. We use a coffe maker running it thru the filter but not using any heat. It is usable in about a week. Color will be very pale yellow.

Lady Sheridan du Frene

Shire of Sangre del Sol

Kingdom of Trimaris

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From: Lord Valeryjan

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Well if you care to share, I am doing an A&S class on cordials, liqueurs, and mead (if Lady Halla agrees to teach her recipe for meads) in December in our shire. I will give you full credit for the excellent mistake!! I am sure that in period there were times when many things were discovered by mistake!!

YIS

Val

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From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

It was a fluke but it is rather Yummy

Sheridan

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From: Lord Valeryjan

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I haven't, but it sure sounds good though . . .

----- Original Message -----

From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:45 AM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

#4900 From: "Lord Valeryjan" <lord_valeryjan@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2005 1:50 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Digest Number 1235 lord_valeryjan
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Thank you . . . I will give it a try on my own and get back with you on the outcome after the class too!!

Val

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From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:04 PM

Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Well ok

Lemon Peppercon Cordial

Materials

5 lemons

2 1/2 cups sugar

1 1/2 cup water

2 1/2 cups Light Rum

5-6 whole Peppercorns

Lemons are peeled avoiding the pith. Then you slice open the lemons and squeeze the juice into the bottle you are going to use. Cut the lemons in to small pieces and add to the bottle too. ( you will strain everything out later)

In a small sauce pan combine the sugar and water and heat until disolved making a simple syrup. Pour into bottle with the lemons. When this cools you can add the rum and the peppercorns. Let sit for a week and a half. You then need to strain. We use a coffe maker running it thru the filter but not using any heat. It is usable in about a week. Color will be very pale yellow.

Lady Sheridan du Frene

Shire of Sangre del Sol

Kingdom of Trimaris

----- Original Message -----

From: Lord Valeryjan

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Well if you care to share, I am doing an A&S class on cordials, liqueurs, and mead (if Lady Halla agrees to teach her recipe for meads) in December in our shire. I will give you full credit for the excellent mistake!! I am sure that in period there were times when many things were discovered by mistake!!

YIS

Val

----- Original Message -----

From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

It was a fluke but it is rather Yummy

Sheridan

----- Original Message -----

From: Lord Valeryjan

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I haven't, but it sure sounds good though . . .

----- Original Message -----

From: Sara Glaze

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:45 AM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter art/sci.

Sheridan

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From: Valarie Ziminsky

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

Lord Val,

Thank you so much! I ordered several items from Mountain Rose Herbs.

Valentina

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#4901 From: Isabel1443 <belight4@...>
Date: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:11 am
Subject: Re: Advise requested belight4
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Greetings.

New member, first posting.

Well I planted all my herbs in pots this year, since we had moved to a different house, and I wanted to wait a year before putting things in the ground until I saw where the sunlight was best in my yard, and also to work on my soil a bit. Big mistake. Most everything has conked out from heat. I couldn't water them enough. Except my Rosemary. In ground or in pots, Rosemary thrives.

In my former house I had the best results with Rosemary, oregano (ran rampant through my yard, but who cares? We love it) , pennyroyal, parsley, and in occasional years, basil. I find lavender to be about the fussiest.

Isabel

Roberta Baughman <rlb2301@...> wrote:

I am in the process of actually making a spot in the backyard for a small herb garden. Thus far all my endeavors have been indoors in pots. I'm looking for suggestions herbs that will do well in the hot,dry Midwest summers and survive the cold, somewhat damp winters. Sasha

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#4902 From: "a_dycus" <zenzubar@...>
Date: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:53 am
Subject: planing herb garden for next year a_dycus
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im planing to do a medicinal herb garden next spring and would like
some in put on some good plants to start with or any other help would
be nice and would also like to hear more on herbs in general talk has
slowed and i do love to hear about planets thanx all

                                    Mag

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#4903 From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise <jenne@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2005 2:11 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 jenneheise
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> Perhaps you might ask on a brewers list of the cooking list if you don't get
> an answer here.
>
> Lyse
>   -----Original Message-----
>
>   I made a lemon and Peppercorn cordial. Has anybody heard of this
> combination being used in period. I would like to enter it in Winter
> art/sci.

Hm. Try looking for it as a mead spice combination.

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"'In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for
years I was smart. I recommend pleasant." - _Harvey_, by Mary Chase

#4904 From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise <jenne@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2005 2:12 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 jenneheise
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This sounds yummy but for an A&S competition you'll want to acknowledge
that rum seems to be a post-period distilled product.

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"'In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for
years I was smart. I recommend pleasant." - _Harvey_, by Mary Chase

#4905 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2005 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1235 presleysmom_...
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ahhh good point. I am sure it exsisted just wouldn't have been discovered yet : )

Sheridan

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From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:12 PM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1235

This sounds yummy but for an A&S competition you'll want to acknowledge that rum seems to be a post-period distilled product. -- -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne@... "'In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant." - _Harvey_, by Mary Chase

#4906 From: woodchuckalpha1@...
Date: Fri Oct 7, 2005 4:14 am
Subject: Advise requested woodchuck_alpha
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Hi, Robeta and Isabel,

Have you check the local wild plants? Very many are herbal, edible, and/or dye plants.

Where in the Midwest do you live? I'm in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Thus far I can grow most mints, oregano, basils, thyme, comfrey, echinicea, chamomile, rue, and aconite. I have NOT been able to keep rosemary alive, even in a pot. :>(

Isabel, where do you live?

Marthe

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   Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:11:20 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Isabel1443 <belight4@...>
Subject: Re: Advise requested

Greetings.
New member, first posting.
Well I planted all my herbs in pots this year, since we had moved to a different
house, and I wanted to wait a year before putting things in the ground until I
saw where the sunlight was best in my yard, and also to work on my soil a bit.
Big mistake. Most everything has conked out from heat. I couldn't water them
enough. Except my Rosemary. In ground or in pots, Rosemary thrives.
In my former house I had the best results with Rosemary, oregano (ran rampant
through my yard, but who cares? We love it) , pennyroyal, parsley, and in
occasional years, basil. I find lavender to be about the fussiest.
Isabel

Roberta Baughman <rlb2301@...> wrote:
I am in the process of actually making a spot in the backyard for a small herb
garden. Thus far all my endeavors have been indoors in pots.

I'm looking for suggestions herbs that will do well in the hot,dry Midwest
summers and survive the cold, somewhat damp winters.

Sasha

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#4907 From: Beth Ann Bretter <ladypeyton@...>
Date: Fri Oct 7, 2005 12:11 pm
Subject: LEmon Peppercord Cordial ladypeyton
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I'm sorry to say your cordial is hopelessly post
period, however, you could try to pass it off with
documentation from Platt's Delight's for Ladies which
IIRC includes a recipe for an herbal tonic which
includes sugar as a sweetener.

The rum is hopelessly post period, however.

Not many period cordials included sugar and by far the
majority weren't sweetened at all.  Instead they were
a tonic made from boiling herbs in wine.  It was only
in late period that sweeteners were used.

Actualy, most of the alcohol was often boiled off as
well. (Arnald de VIllanova, Booke of Wine)

Peyton
Brewing Laurel who focuses on Wine and Cordials





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#4908 From: Aelfwyn@...
Date: Fri Oct 7, 2005 9:07 am
Subject: Re: LEmon Peppercord Cordial aelfwynmarie
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In a message dated 10/7/2005 08:14:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladypeyton@... writes:

I'm sorry to say your cordial is hopelessly post
period,

But that said,

my encampment at Pennsic roasts a whole pig most years. Many of us are cordial makers and we use up the remains of many of the cordials we have brought to share at Pennsic as Piggy Baste. Let me tell you, Lemon Pepper Cordial sounds like a fantastic Piggy Baste (or whatever meat/poultry we have on the spit over the coals) to me! Yum.

Aelfwyn

#4909 From: "tmartell48854" <amartell@...>
Date: Fri Oct 7, 2005 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: LEmon Peppercord Cordial tmartell48854
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This is absolutely none of my personal business, but the tone of your
response concerns me.  I have a tough skin and could easily take this
answer with a grain of salt, but this message is so condesending in
nature it put me off.  Statements like "sorry to say," "hopelessly
post period" and "you could try to pass it off" are the kinds of
snarky comments us non laurels gossip about when the hats aren't
listening.  It is also the type of comment that has hurt folks deeply
enough to put them off from A & S for a long time.  The information
that you have to share is invaluable, the time and effort you have
put into your studies boggles my mind and it would be wonderful to
learn from it if it was delivered in a manner that respected the
inexperienced and actually was meant instruct not hurt.

Anthoinette Martell
>
> I'm sorry to say your cordial is hopelessly post
> period, however, you could try to pass it off with
> documentation from Platt's Delight's for Ladies which
> IIRC includes a recipe for an herbal tonic which
> includes sugar as a sweetener.
>
> The rum is hopelessly post period, however.
>

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#4910 From: Beth Ann Bretter <ladypeyton@...>
Date: Fri Oct 7, 2005 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1238 ladypeyton
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> This is absolutely none of my personal business, but
> the tone of your
> response concerns me.  I have a tough skin and could
> easily take this
> answer with a grain of salt, but this message is so
> condesending in
> nature it put me off.  Statements like "sorry to
> say," "hopelessly
> post period" and "you could try to pass it off" are
> the kinds of
> snarky comments us non laurels gossip about when the
> hats aren't
> listening.

Wow.

Would you have been this rude and thin skinned if I
wasn't a Laurel?  It seems to me by the tone of *your*
post that you have a problem with Peers.

*My* post was meant to sound light hearted and
informative.  I fail to see how you read anything but
that into it.  I never realized that the phrase "I'm
sorry to ssay" was condescending.

Someone asked a question and I answered it.

I'll have to remember not to do that again.

Peyton





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#4911 From: Marian Walke <marian@...>
Date: Fri Oct 7, 2005 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1238 oldmarian
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Beth Ann Bretter wrote:
>
> Wow.
>
> Would you have been this rude and thin skinned if I
> wasn't a Laurel?  It seems to me by the tone of *your*
> post that you have a problem with Peers.
>
> *My* post was meant to sound light hearted and
> informative.  I fail to see how you read anything but
> that into it.  I never realized that the phrase "I'm
> sorry to ssay" was condescending.
>
> Someone asked a question and I answered it.
>
> I'll have to remember not to do that again.
>
> Peyton
>

Since we're chiming in on things that are none of our business, I
feel entitled to say something here.  I think I have a unique
perspective, being a recovered peer (but that's another story).

So, Peyton:  Yes, if I were a newbie I would have taken offense
at your tone.  It would be like hearing someone say "your
clothing is hopeless", or for that matter, "YOU are hopeless, an
inadequate and worthless human being."  Yes, I know you didn't
actually say that, but that's what someone else may hear in your
words.  So please calm down and realize that in email, no one can
hear your tone of voice and we ALL have to be very careful what
words we use.  "Hopeless" just isn't a good one.  But please
don't stop answering questions!  Your experience and your
knowledge are valuable to us all!

And everyone else:  Laurels carry a particular burden.  They try
so hard to be authentic and to excel in their chosen fields that
they get very frustrated when people try to bend the rules to get
   something totally OOP declared IN, just because it's fun or
cute or delicious.  So bear with the peers:  they're trying hard
to make our Society something more than just a costume party with
sticks.  Laurels are continually raising the bar on authenticity
of style and content as their research provides them with more
information.  And they share that information freely.  Please cut
them a little slack if they don't always phrase it in the way
you'd best like to hear it.

Here's to civility and courtesy to one another!
--Old Marian

#4912 From: "Rickard, Patty " <rickarpa@...>
Date: Sat Oct 8, 2005 1:32 am
Subject: RE: Digest Number 1238 pattyrickard
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I too was put off by your response & was wondering how &/or if I should let you
know. I thought A.M. put my feelings into words better than I could. I think
that Email tends to make things sounds more curt than they were intended &
"light-hearted" is sometimes hard to convey to strangers.

Thank you,
Ceit

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From: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Beth Ann Bretter
Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 3:27 PM
To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Digest Number 1238



> This is absolutely none of my personal business, but
> the tone of your
> response concerns me.  I have a tough skin and could
> easily take this
> answer with a grain of salt, but this message is so
> condesending in
> nature it put me off.  Statements like "sorry to
> say," "hopelessly
> post period" and "you could try to pass it off" are
> the kinds of
> snarky comments us non laurels gossip about when the
> hats aren't
> listening.

Wow.

Would you have been this rude and thin skinned if I
wasn't a Laurel?  It seems to me by the tone of *your*
post that you have a problem with Peers.

*My* post was meant to sound light hearted and
informative.  I fail to see how you read anything but
that into it.  I never realized that the phrase "I'm
sorry to ssay" was condescending.

Someone asked a question and I answered it.

I'll have to remember not to do that again.

Peyton





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#4913 From: <kingstaste@...>
Date: Sat Oct 8, 2005 3:44 am
Subject: RE: Digest Number 1238 kingstaste
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Here's to civility and courtesy to one another! --Old Marian Here, here Marian! What she said.

Mistress Christianna MacGrain, OP, OL

#4914 From: "tmartell48854" <amartell@...>
Date: Sat Oct 8, 2005 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1238 tmartell48854
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Ouch Lady Peyton

> Would you have been this rude and thin skinned if I
> wasn't a Laurel?

Yep, I would have been this rude if I was concerned someone would
stop their efforts in A & S because a Peer told them their efforts
were mundane.  The thin skinned thing, I am an old lady with a very
thick hide which is why I chose to be *rude* in a effort to to look
out for those who haven't had the years to develop the "take it with
a grain of salt" attitude.

It seems to me by the tone of *your*
> post that you have a problem with Peers.

As I seemed to have missed your lightheartedness, you seem to have
missed my admiration of Peers. And do I have a problem with them?
perhaps because I am in awe of the effort and time involved in the
work they have done.  I did mention that.  When one is in awe of
another you tend to listen to and respect what they have to say.  If
they say you are hopeless ouch.
>
> *My* post was meant to sound light hearted and
> informative.  I fail to see how you read anything but
> that into it.  I never realized that the phrase "I'm
> sorry to ssay" was condescending.

I'm a mom and honestly I have actually said to my children, back when
they were tiny, I'm sorry to say, It's bed time.  I really wasn't
sorry to say, some days when I was tired and needed alone time, I was
thrilled that they were going to bed.  I stopped saying it when they
were about 7 or 8 because they had me figured out, and knew I wasn't
really sorry.
>
> Someone asked a question and I answered it.
>
> I'll have to remember not to do that again.
>

Please don't stop answering questions.  You have so much to offer.
Also please remember the written word cannot convey your facial
expressions, hand gestures, and body language that really bring our
words to life.  When I reread you post and added mental images of a
woman in beautiful garb delivering the same lines with much
ighthearted animation, I got a whole different picture.

Anthoinette
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#4915 From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise <jenne@...>
Date: Sat Oct 8, 2005 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 1238 jenneheise
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> > Would you have been this rude and thin skinned if I
> > wasn't a Laurel?
>
> Yep, I would have been this rude if I was concerned someone would
> stop their efforts in A & S because a Peer told them their efforts
> were mundane.  The thin skinned thing, I am an old lady with a very
> thick hide which is why I chose to be *rude* in a effort to to look
> out for those who haven't had the years to develop the "take it with
> a grain of salt" attitude.

I am one of the moderators (Jadwiga)
I am going to say this now.
As someone who has often (especially as a non-peer) been accused of
rudeness), I think it's ok to speak to someone about a concern about
their tone.

It is not ok to be rude on this list to someone because you think they
are rude. I get called on this all the time, and I have to agree with
it. Being rude back to someone just perpetuates the cycle. (And believe
me, it's hard not to do it. Feel free to call me on it if you catch me--
though private mail is best, obviously)

We all have to try very hard not to be rude, no matter what. I'm
included. People have told me, in the past, that I've been rude; mostly
I've apologized, and I try to do better.

I think it's important to try to be gentle with each other.

Also be aware that including someone's status in your critique of their
tone of voice *about an art* is going to cause more angst than it
solves.
It's a big red candylike button and pushing it here is not going to be a
good idea. Ok, everyone?

--
-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne@...
"'In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for
years I was smart. I recommend pleasant." - _Harvey_, by Mary Chase

#4916 From: Lila Richards <lilar@...>
Date: Sat Oct 8, 2005 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 1238 sinechnz
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tmartell48854 wrote:

When one is in awe of another you tend to listen to and respect what they have to say. If they say you are hopeless ouch.

Actually, the lady didn't say the person was hopeless. She said the cordial was 'hopelessly out of period'. Two very different things. And surely it's better to know this in advance, and perhaps be able to do something about it, than to enter it in a contest have several judges say the same thing.
Sinech.
 
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#4917 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Sun Oct 9, 2005 1:25 am
Subject: Re: LEmon Peppercord Cordial presleysmom_...
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It went in the whip cream tonight to go over the lemon pound cake...IT was very yummy : )

Sheridan

----- Original Message -----

From: Aelfwyn@...

To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:07 AM

Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] LEmon Peppercord Cordial

In a message dated 10/7/2005 08:14:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladypeyton@... writes:

I'm sorry to say your cordial is hopelessly post
period,

But that said,

my encampment at Pennsic roasts a whole pig most years. Many of us are cordial makers and we use up the remains of many of the cordials we have brought to share at Pennsic as Piggy Baste. Let me tell you, Lemon Pepper Cordial sounds like a fantastic Piggy Baste (or whatever meat/poultry we have on the spit over the coals) to me! Yum.

Aelfwyn

#4918 From: "Sara Glaze" <sheridan_du@...>
Date: Sun Oct 9, 2005 1:24 am
Subject: Re: LEmon Peppercord Cordial presleysmom_...
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Well I am very sorry that I started such a heated discussion on here. I simply made my FIRST attempt at a cordial and was wondering if I could pass it off as period. I know now clearly that I can not.

Suggestions on what would have been period like you gave would have been nicer and better received.

I probably will never be a Laurel nor is it my goal. I am in the SCA to learn things and to have fun. I made the cordial to take to an event which I did. It was well received and many many people loved it and that is all that matters to me. Not weather I can document it or weather some panel of peers thinks its good. I think its good and other's think it is good. If it was document that would have been a bonus but oh so not necessary to me.

Please due continue to give constructive criticism as it does help.

Sheridan

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To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:11 AM

Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] LEmon Peppercord Cordial

I'm sorry to say your cordial is hopelessly post period, however, you could try to pass it off with documentation from Platt's Delight's for Ladies which IIRC includes a recipe for an herbal tonic which includes sugar as a sweetener. The rum is hopelessly post period, however. Not many period cordials included sugar and by far the majority weren't sweetened at all. Instead they were a tonic made from boiling herbs in wine. It was only in late period that sweeteners were used. Actualy, most of the alcohol was often boiled off as well. (Arnald de VIllanova, Booke of Wine) Peyton Brewing Laurel who focuses on Wine and Cordials __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com