Got this book on interlibrary loan this week, and it's a very interesting
read, not to mention having cool pictures of scent containers...

_Aphrodite's scents: aromatic journey through experimental archaeology_
Institute for Applied Technology to Cultural Artefacts (Consiglio
nazionale delle ricerche (Italy)): Vision, 1984.

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Things are looking bad / I know you would be mad
To see what kind of men / Prevail upon the land you love." -- Chicago

Hi!

I'm new here. The Canton of Brackendelve in Michigan has started up
our herbal guild. A nice lady from Darachshire refered me here. Many
thanks to the sinister scribe.

Another facet to your question about medieval herb gardening: what
herbs were average people ALLOWED to grow?
At certain points in the Middle Ages (like the Scourge in Britain and
the Inquisition in southern Europe) herbs took on a political aspect.

Midwifery and folk medecine were officially banned by certain Bishops
(and then the bans were repealed occasionally), therefore I imagine
herb gardening to be a sticky situation during certain times.

I know that during the time of Shakespeare, having rosemary growing
in a visible place in one's yard was a huge NO NO.

Why? Because rosemary, taken in a concentrated decoction at certain
times of the month with other herbs was used by women as a form of
birth control.

Happy days to you,

Concepcione the Gypsy

Hello,
I have recently joined a medieval reenactment group ( Realms of
Avalon ) similar to SCA. Our subdivision is only a year old and
wanting to try new things other than just combat. I offered to give
demos on things herbal. Most of my small knowledge is not necessarily
period. I really want to generate some excitement about this topic
and am hoping some of you out there can give me ideas. Maybe some
simple hands on things where people can take something home? What
things have others found successful? Any ideas would be appreciated!I
really enjoy learning from you here, thank you so much!
Michelle ( a.k.a. Kalina Skalinaya )

Teehee! Greetings and many warm welcomes, Concepcione! Glad you decided to join.
'Tis a wonderful place here.

the sinister scribe,
Eleyn Scrivener
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "brooke_ratliff" <brooke_ratliff@...>
Reply-To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
Date:  Wed, 26 May 2004 19:00:13 -0000

>Hi!
>
>I'm new here. The Canton of Brackendelve in Michigan has started up
>our herbal guild. A nice lady from Darachshire refered me here. Many
>thanks to the sinister scribe.

> Another facet to your question about medieval herb gardening: what
> herbs were average people ALLOWED to grow?
> At certain points in the Middle Ages (like the Scourge in Britain and
> the Inquisition in southern Europe) herbs took on a political aspect.
> Midwifery and folk medecine were officially banned by certain Bishops
> (and then the bans were repealed occasionally), therefore I imagine
> herb gardening to be a sticky situation during certain times.

I have not found any information that indicates this-- could you give us
your source for the information?

> I know that during the time of Shakespeare, having rosemary growing
> in a visible place in one's yard was a huge NO NO.

I haven't heard this anywhere in my researches, and the botanical/herbal
texts from the time of Shakespeare, such as Gerard, Culpeper, don't
mention any such prohibition or even a superstition. Culpeper's _English
Physician_ says " Our Garden Rosemary is so well known, that I need not
here describe it." There is the superstition that where rosemary
flourishes, the mistress rules... ?

> Why? Because rosemary, taken in a concentrated decoction at certain
> times of the month with other herbs was used by women as a form of
> birth control.

Are you sure you are not mixing rosemary up with rue? Distilled
essential Oil of rue was used  in the nineteenth century to produce
abortion, and in period rosemary and rue often appear together in recipes
for cleansing the air and and reducing infectious disease.

Almost all astringent herbs, including thyme, rosemary and sage, were used
at one time or another as emmenagogues-- but rosemary is not mentioned
specifically as an emmenagogue in most of the texts.

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To see what kind of men / Prevail upon the land you love." -- Chicago

On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 09:08:32AM -0400, Jennifer Hayes wrote:
> While looking through some past posts for some ideas - I came across many
> great recipes that were posted by Cat that references Ibid.  Does anyone
> know what Ibid. stands for?

"in the same place". 'ibid.' is used to mean that the source is the same
as the source for the previous quote or reference.

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Things are looking bad / I know you would be mad
To see what kind of men / Prevail upon the land you love." -- Chicago

While looking through some past posts for some ideas - I came across many great recipes that were posted by Cat that references Ibid.  Does anyone know what Ibid. stands for?

 

Thanks for all your help - I really enjoy this group.

 

Harley

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Thank you :-)  That makes sense now.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise [mailto:jenne@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:07 AM
To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
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On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 09:08:32AM -0400, Jennifer Hayes wrote:
> While looking through some past posts for some ideas - I came across
> many great recipes that were posted by Cat that references Ibid.  Does
> anyone know what Ibid. stands for?

"in the same place". 'ibid.' is used to mean that the source is the same
as the source for the previous quote or reference.

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upon the land you love." -- Chicago



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Greetings!

Are any of you good gentles going to be present at Swine and Roses,
held the first weekend of July?  For those of you that are, my
husband and I will be merchanting there.  We are trying to organize a
plant swap at our booth.  Would anyone be interested in this?  If you
are, please email me off-list.

Thank you!

YIS,

Ana
mka ruth

> > I know that during the time of Shakespeare, having rosemary growing in a
visible place in one's yard was a huge NO NO.

Eep.. I didn't write that (above)

> Does this mean that I have to remove the rosemary growing in the container in
the front yard???!!

I wouldn't think so.

Of course, I've been trying to grow myrtle for years as it is traditional
for a marriageable woman in Poland to grow some in her garden...

> Culpeper's _English Physician_ says " Our Garden Rosemary is so well known,
that I need not here describe it." There is the superstition that where rosemary
flourishes, the mistress rules... ?
>
> Ah, so I should really thank my husband for giving me a rosemary plant for
Christmas (evil grin).
>

Yup.

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"It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to
think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault.
If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be.
I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do
the bad things." -- Terry Pratchett, _Jingo_

ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been long
past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't have
rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
glands...

Thanks

Geertruyt

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maybe Tea Tree oil?  it's astringint.

Mieka

At 05:34 PM 6/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been long
>past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
>treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
>sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
>going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't have
>rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
>glands...
>
>Thanks
>
>Geertruyt

-----Original Message-----
From: Joanne Clyde [mailto:jmknoppe@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:34 PM
To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Herbal Zit busters

ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been long
past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't have
rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
glands...

Thanks

Geertruyt

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 kingstaste@... wrote:

> Blood cleansers like red clover (makes a really nice tea) and things to take
> internally like dandelion and burdock.  Cleansing the blood will relieve
> your body of having to expell toxins through your pores.

LOL that reminds me... last week I had to take the train into the city.  I
was a bit early, and noticed lots of red clover in the lawn next to where
everyone was waiting.  I snacked a little on some of the blossoms and the
looks people were giving me, you'd think I was eating dog poo or
something.

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maybe Tea Tree oil?  it's astringint.

Mieka

At 05:34 PM 6/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been long
>past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
>treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
>sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
>going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't have
>rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
>glands...
>
>Thanks
>
>Geertruyt



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> ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been long
> past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
> treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
> sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
> going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't have
> rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
> glands...
>

Well, it's just a garden-variety astringent, but it is a period recipe:

"boil the [Rosemary] leaves in white wine and wash thy face therewith, thy
beard and they brows, and there shall no corns grow out, but thou shall
have a fair face." -- An Herbal, 1525, also known as Banckes' Herbal

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think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault.
If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be.
I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do
the bad things." -- Terry Pratchett, _Jingo_

Great news!  I received a 1 at Midrealm Kingdom for my pomander :-)  Let me
tell you big ego boost.  Especially when both the king and queen were
impressed.

Enough about me, did anyone else enter anything in the A&S this year?

Harley

> Great news!  I received a 1 at Midrealm Kingdom for my pomander :-)  Let me
> tell you big ego boost.  Especially when both the king and queen were
> impressed.
>

Yes!!!!!!

Hurrah!!!

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think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault.
If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be.
I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do
the bad things." -- Terry Pratchett, _Jingo_

Take a bunch of thyme and rosemary, simmer in a pan with distilled water and
make a really strong tea of it. When cooled, add in tea tree oil and witch
hazel. Keep the bottle in the fridge and use it as an astringent. The thyme has
antiseptic properties, along with the tea tree oil, and rosemary and witch hazel
are good for controlling oil. Try and avoid alcohol-based astringents, they can
provoke your pores into producing more oil. For cleansing, I particularly
recommend Burt's Bees Garden Tomato soap.

Once a week, treat yourself to a good clay-based facial mask. If you are not
giving yourself enough sleep, try and get more. My skin gets oilier if I am
tired and stressed.

A moderate amount of sun may help clear up zits, but make sure you are using a
good lotion with SPF of 15 or higher. Yes, you still need to use facial lotion,
otherwise your pores will overproduce to keep your skin from drying. Neutrogena
and Clinique make good noncomedogenic lotions.

Tea tree oil is great for drying up active zits, but works best before the zit
develops a head. This next bit is gross, but I've found that the ones that
develop a large, thin-skinned head, it's just best to explode it (particularly
if it gives way under the merest prod) and astringent the hell out of it.

Gianotta

not herbal, but natural; try upping your vitamin e intake, specificly dry e
(try great earth  vitimins) also higher doses of c in conjunction have
helped me
jason
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From: "Joanne Clyde" <jmknoppe@...>
To: <SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:34 PM
Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Herbal Zit busters


> ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been
long
> past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
> treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
> sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
> going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't
have
> rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
> glands...
>
> Thanks
>
> Geertruyt
>
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Here are some recipes I use:

SOAPLESS FACIAL SCRUB (can be used all over too! Tho beware tender areas ; - )
It started out as equal parts of powdered oatmeal, milk powder and salt.

It's "evolved" into:
1/4 c rolled oats (don't bother with colloidal...grind it down yourself with the
other ingredients)
1/4 c milk powder (been using buttermilk cuz its what I have but have also used
goats milk powder)
1tsp - 1 tbsp plain or sea salt or turbiano sugar (an equal part was too drying
I thought)
1tsp neem powder
1TBSP rose petal powder (again cuz I have it...for something else that didn't
work)
OPT: Med grind cornmeal if ya want extra scrubbing power...
     forgot exactly how much...start with a TBSP and work from there.

Put all ingredients in food processor and process until fine even powder
results.
You'll still see larger pieces of cornmeal. If you want to add EOs or fragrance
add drop at a time while processor is running.

To Use: put a fat tsp amount in palm and mix with water until you have a paste.
Massage GENTLY (that cornmeal can scratch if you press to hard) and rinse.
follow with toner and moisturizer.


OILY SKIN TONER

2oz witch hazel
1 TBSP aloe vera
4 drops cedarwood
3 drops lemon
2 drop yland ylang

The EOs can be altered as needed.
In addition to those you can add 1 TBSP ACV (organic, unfiltered/home-made) to
help balance the
skin's acid mantle.  Doesn't smell vinegary with all the EOs.

OILY SKIN OIL
even oily skin needs a bit of moisturizing!

1oz jojoba oil (can use any light oil really, this one just works best for me)
25 drops of the following EO blend:
   30%patchouli
   20% lavender
   50% berbamot


FRESH HERBAL STEAM (if you have fresh this is great!)
1C chopped fresh thyme, lemon balm, rosemary, yarrow, chamomile or combination
there of
4C boiling distilled water

Tie back your hair if its long and have a towel handy to drape over your head
Set out a bowl big enough to hold water and herbs. I put mine on a folded towel.
Put herbs in the bowl and pour over boiling water.
Sit comfortably leaning over the bowl and drape the towel over your head to keep
in the steam.
Steam for 5 - 15 minutes.
Pat dry and follow with clay pac below.



CLAY PAC (good after a facial steam)

1 TBSP kaolin clay
1/2 TSP Neem powder
1 TBSP Apple Cider Vinegar (more or less...basically enought to make a paste)

Options: if after using this your face is very red, consider using some china
clay for some or all of the kaolin (ie 2 tsp kaolin & 1 tsp china). Kaolin has
strong
drawing properties. Another good clay is Multani Miti.

Mixture will foam as clay minerals and vinegar react. Stir.
It will seem lumpy at first but will go on smoothly.
Use all of the paste. Will be quite thick.
Leave on for 5 - 15 minutes. Don't let dry completely!
I've had it crack my skin as the clay cracks!

Moisten clay with warm water and remove using wash cloth.
Rinse well, tone and moisturize.

These are wonderful recipes! Thanks for posting them. Where would
one find the clays you mentioned and neem powder?
Thanks

--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Eleyn Scrivener" <eleyn@t...>
wrote:
> Here are some recipes I use:
>

Funny. LOL. I thought I was the only one  that picks things and eats them. Now I
know I am not alone. *giggles*

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--- Nia McGhill <casandraraven@...> wrote:
Witch Hazel works well also lavender essential oils works
Nia

Brenda Billings <brenda@...> wrote:
maybe Tea Tree oil?  it's astringint.

Mieka

At 05:34 PM 6/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>ok.  I'm going to admit to a slightly embarrassing problem.  I've been long
>past teenage, but I still have acne.  I'm tired of all of the chemical
>treatments like Retin-A which have strong warnings about being out in the
>sun afterwards (kinda hard to garden or go to events in the summer without
>going outside)  Are there any herbal remedies that could help.  I don't have
>rosacea or excema (sp?) that's been determined... just over-exuberant oil
>glands...
>
>Thanks
>
>Geertruyt



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