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#7734 From: Lori Hannis <charmed3x3@...>
Date: Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:25 pm
Subject: Fontaines 12th Night Feast!
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Greetings unto the Outlands, and all others who will come by these letters.


As many of you know Fontaine loves to cook, and more of us love to eat! And as such, Fontaine has gathered some of the finest
foodstuffs with in the entire kingdom (And some as far away as the WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY top of Antir (Alaskan salmon)
and so, It is with my humble pleasure that i announce what we are planning to eat!.

1st Remove (on table during court)

2 types of Soft cheese rolls (herb encrusted and honey/ginger rolled in crushed nuts)

Cracker assortment

Crudité Platter (veggies with dip)

Water


(available on side table)

Coffee, tea, and “wassail” (russian tea mix)


2nd Remove

Bread with butter and spreads

Creamy squash soup

Salmon loaf in aspic


3rd Remove

Meat pies

Peas and onions

Vegetable compote (root vegetables in a vinegarette dressing- similar to german potato salad)


Pot luck desert table



Are we hungry yet?


Because wait! there's more...The next day, there will be a war practice lunch.

what will be served? That is a surprise for a later date!


So if you want to come.


I am your feast reservations lady!


my phone number is 505-334-3969 (please no calls after 9pm)

and my email is lhannis@... (pay no attention to the send from address please)


The cost for feast is as follows

If you are a wee one under 5 it is free for you.

If your age is between 6-12 the fee is $3

if you are considered a big person and your age is older than 13, the feast is $7 for thee.


There is a family cap of $50, so if you be the Duggers good luck to you!


In humble service


Lady Emeline l'Espicier




"Climb the mountains and get theirgood tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows intotrees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the stormstheir energy, while cares will drop away from you like the leaves ofAutumn."
~ John Muir ~


#7733 From: Ysabeau <lady.ysabeau@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 6:51 pm
Subject: Fwd: [Ansteorra] Stolen Trailer - pictures
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#7732 From: Ysabeau <lady.ysabeau@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 5:59 pm
Subject: Stolen Trailer with Kingdom and Baronial items
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Greetings all!
Please forgive the SPAM but I wanted to make sure this gets to as many people as possible.
A personal trailer that contained items belonging to the Kingdom of Ansteorra (Texas and Oklahoma)and the Barony of Namron (Oklahoma City, OK)was stolen out of a driveway last night. Please keep your eyes open for the following items on eBay, Craig's List, or anywhere else they might turn up:
  • The trailer is a white 5x8 box trailer with a red SCA sticker on the upper left corner of the door.
  • *Kingdom* (primary heraldry is a black star on a gold background)
    Kingdom Pavilion
    Her Throne
    Kneeling Pillow
    Black box of largess
    Banner (Not main banner box)
  • *Namron* (primary heraldry is a tornado)
    Baronial Pavilion
    Hat box with 3 coronets
    Feast gear box with feast gear
    Banners
  • *Personal*
    Trailer
    Award Regalia
    Heavy Armor
    Rapier Armor
    2 Rapiers, Dagger, Buckler
    Combat Crossbow and bolts
    Bed w/ mattress
    Bedding
    Camping gear
    Heater
If you find any items, please contact:
Baron Donnchadh
MKA Shawn Cornelius
3101 SW 124th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-226-7675
In Service,
Ysabeau of Prague
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Ansteorra

#7731 From: Carowyn Silveroak <silveroak@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: Re: catnip/catmint
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Greetings!
 
My favorite drink in the winter when the sniffles come is Syrup of Lemons, which a shire friend gave to me one nasty cold shire demo when I was feeling quite under the weather (shouldn't have been there in the first place, learned my lesson....keep my germs to myself, I do!)
 
 
Enjoy!
 
-Carowyn
 
 
 
>Another reason is that some of my thoughts have turned to ancient options for hot drinks in the wintertime, that is besides alchohol (even though much of the wine was new wine with a low alcohol content).


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#7730 From: "Dyddgu" <aesadi@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: catnip/catmint
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Catnip is wonderful in tea form, I love to drink at night to relax me from a
hectic day. Catnip mixed with a bit of basil or dandelion leaf makes a great
pesto! I have a few recipes if anyone is interested. Once again though I doubt
they are period.

  Here is information on catnip, I know its not period (then again it could be:)
however it is herbal related.

CATNIP

Latin Name: Nepeta cataria

Alternate Names: Catmint, Catnep, Chi Hsueh Tsao (Chinese), Field Balm

Family: LAMIACEAE

Parts Used: Leaves.

Properties: Anodyne, Antibacterial, Antidiarrheal, Antispasmodic, Aromatic,
Carminative, Diaphoretic, Emmenagogue, Mucolytic, Nervine, Refrigerant,
Sedative, Stomach Tonic, Tonic.

Internal Uses: Amenorrhea, Anxiety, Bronchitis, Chickenpox, Colds, Diarrhea,
Dysmenorrhea, Dyspepsia, Fever, Flatulence, Headache, Hives, Hyperactivity,
Hysteria, Indigestion, Insomnia, Measles, Motion Sickness, Restlessness,
Stomachache, Teething, Toothache

Internal Applications: Tea, Tincture, Capsules.

It is a mild antibacterial.  Chew the fresh leaves for a headache or toothache. 
It helps stomachaches by calming the nerves.  Use it for stress, nervousness. 
This is an excellent herb for children and will help calm them during the trials
of teething, colic and restlessness. When given for colds and fevers, it helps
the person get the rest that they need.

Topical Uses: Allergies, Arthritis, Bloodshot Eyes, Bruises, Colic, Eye
Inflammation, Hemorrhoids, Hiccups, Insect Bites, Insect Repellent, Pain,
Rheumatism, Sprains, Stress, Teething, Toothache

Topical Applications: Bath herb for stress, colic and teething. Compress or
poultice for pain, sprains, bruises and insect bites. Toothache poultice.  Hair
rinse for scalp irritations.  Liniment for arthritis and rheumatism.  Eyewash
for inflammation, allergies and bloodshot eyes. Enema to cleanse the colon. 
Salve for hemorrhoids. Leaves have been smoked as a euphoric and to stop
hiccoughs. Catnip toys for cats - simply tie some of the dried herb into an old
sock. The scent repels rats and many insects.

Culinary uses: Young leaves can be made into pesto and sauces, and added to
salads. Leaves are rubbed on meat, before cooking, as a flavoring. Before
Chinese tea was popular in the West, Catnip was enjoyed as a common beverage.

Energetics: Pungent, Bitter, Cool, Dry.

Chemical Constituents: Essential oil (carvacrol, citronellal, geraniol, nepetol,
nepetelactone, pulegone, thymol), iridoids, tannins.

Contraindications: No toxicity although smoking the herb is mildly
hallucinogenic.

Comments: Named after the attraction that cats have for nipping this plant. It
seems to affect them as an aphrodisiac and a euphoric. Its smell is similar to
the pheromones that cats secrete.  The genus name, Nepeta, is from Nepeti, a
Roman town where this herb was cultivated.  This is a good herb for people who
don't like sharing, have a hard time revealing their feelings, and never
complain. Early American settlers believed it would make kind people mean, and
so the dried roots were fed to hangmen and executioners.  It can be grown from
seed in the garden, but if transplanted the neighborhood cats will devour it;
hence the saying, 'If you set it, cats will eat it. If you sow it, cats won't
know it'.

#7729 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: catnip/catmint
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cool. thanks.]
Jack


To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:08:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: catnip/catmint



My feelings on catnip ~ it's cooling and soothing to both the digestive system and the nervous system.  I use it in tea blends for lactating women (helps to prevent colic), my tummy tea (helps with gas and cools hot digestion), and a night-time sleepy tea (as a mild nervine that mixes well with chamomile).  It's mild enough to the nervous system, that it's safe for children.

Ameline

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:51 PM, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...> wrote:
 
Sorry Elspeth,

Here is the entire article. This caught my attention because I had not heard of alternative uses for catnip before this article. I immediately thought about asking herbalists, since y'all are the experts that I rely on so much. Another reason is that some of my thoughts have turned to ancient options for hot drinks in the wintertime, that is besides alchohol (even though much of the wine was new wine with a low alcohol content). Teas are relatively easy to brew, and seem a natural outcropping of soups, medicants, etc. I know that herbs have been brewed for medicine, cosmetic effects, but I have not heard much about recreational brews to warm the insides when the weather was cold. I can't quite get my head around giving the children a cup of warm honey mead, though that would keep them quiet. lol Hence, this is why I asked about catnip. I am full of questions and always seeking answers. So, could catnip have been used as a recreational warm drink, does it have any medicinal properties, contraindications or side effects? How common were teas? and what where some common plants that were used? I am just curious. Thanks ahead of time for any thing that you wish to share with me.
Jack
ps I am not a cat person. I am a dog person. lol



Today's question:
I bought some catnip for my kitten, but she just ignores it. Can I give it to my dog?
A few things here:
Did you know that even big cats such as cougars or lions like catnip? I saw a video of a cougar on catnip, but in retrospect it wasn't all that interesting, so I'd didn't copy the address. You didn't mention how old your kitten is, but most cats don't react to catnip until they are at least 6 to 8 weeks old. In fact, some young cats will actually try to avoid it. And some cats get no kick from it at all. The active ingredient in catnip is something called nepetalactone. Cats have a receptor in their palates that is activated by the stuff and makes them goofy. However, somewhere between 10 percent and 30 percent of kitties lack this receptor, so catnip does not affect them. It's a genetic thing. As for your dog, catnip won't affect it because it doesn't have that receptor. I'd never heard about this before, but anise seed or anise-seed extract will work on dogs the same way catnip works on cats. I'm not sure why. Anyway, get some anise extract at the grocery store and rub it on one of your dog's favorite toys and see if it makes the dog weird. I don't think I'll try it. My dogs are weird enough as it is without getting them stoned. More about catnip: It has been used by humans for centuries to treat ailments such as colic, headache, fever, toothache and colds. It is also supposed to help you sleep. And before tea from the Orient was readily available, catnip tea was very popular in Europe. One last thing: Researchers have found that catnip is very effective in repelling cockroaches.


> To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> From: DamePosintella@...
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:36:46 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: catnip/catmint
>
> If you could post a few more details of what was in the news article, I'm sure that it can be expanded.
> BTW, catnip is relaxing to humans both in tea form and in a 'dream/ relaxation pillow'.
>
> Elspeth McArran
>
>
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "storm85213" <original_xman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Happy (post)Thanksgiving. I hope that someone can verify/illuminate me on catnip. There was a brief article in the paper yesterday about the nature and uses of catnip beyond altering the states of cats. The article said that anise extract has the same effect on dogs, but that is another topic. One of the uses was as a cockroach repellent. Also stated was that catnip tea was a popular European tea before the importation of Chinese teas. I did a quick web search which did support the cockroach repellent, and that catnip was widespread throughout Europe and North Africa.
> >
> > Does anybody know of any other uses, or the earliest suspected uses in Europe?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
>
>
>
>
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#7728 From: Amy Provost <sparrowhawk9@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: catnip/catmint
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My feelings on catnip ~ it's cooling and soothing to both the digestive system and the nervous system. I use it in tea blends for lactating women (helps to prevent colic), my tummy tea (helps with gas and cools hot digestion), and a night-time sleepy tea (as a mild nervine that mixes well with chamomile). It's mild enough to the nervous system, that it's safe for children.

Ameline

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:51 PM, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...> wrote:

Sorry Elspeth,

Here is the entire article. This caught my attention because I had not heard of alternative uses for catnip before this article. I immediately thought about asking herbalists, since y'all are the experts that I rely on so much. Another reason is that some of my thoughts have turned to ancient options for hot drinks in the wintertime, that is besides alchohol (even though much of the wine was new wine with a low alcohol content). Teas are relatively easy to brew, and seem a natural outcropping of soups, medicants, etc. I know that herbs have been brewed for medicine, cosmetic effects, but I have not heard much about recreational brews to warm the insides when the weather was cold. I can't quite get my head around giving the children a cup of warm honey mead, though that would keep them quiet. lol Hence, this is why I asked about catnip. I am full of questions and always seeking answers. So, could catnip have been used as a recreational warm drink, does it have any medicinal properties, contraindications or side effects? How common were teas? and what where some common plants that were used? I am just curious. Thanks ahead of time for any thing that you wish to share with me.
Jack
ps I am not a cat person. I am a dog person. lol



Today's question:
I bought some catnip for my kitten, but she just ignores it. Can I give it to my dog?
A few things here:
Did you know that even big cats such as cougars or lions like catnip? I saw a video of a cougar on catnip, but in retrospect it wasn't all that interesting, so I'd didn't copy the address. You didn't mention how old your kitten is, but most cats don't react to catnip until they are at least 6 to 8 weeks old. In fact, some young cats will actually try to avoid it. And some cats get no kick from it at all. The active ingredient in catnip is something called nepetalactone. Cats have a receptor in their palates that is activated by the stuff and makes them goofy. However, somewhere between 10 percent and 30 percent of kitties lack this receptor, so catnip does not affect them. It's a genetic thing. As for your dog, catnip won't affect it because it doesn't have that receptor. I'd never heard about this before, but anise seed or anise-seed extract will work on dogs the same way catnip works on cats. I'm not sure why. Anyway, get some anise extract at the grocery store and rub it on one of your dog's favorite toys and see if it makes the dog weird. I don't think I'll try it. My dogs are weird enough as it is without getting them stoned. More about catnip: It has been used by humans for centuries to treat ailments such as colic, headache, fever, toothache and colds. It is also supposed to help you sleep. And before tea from the Orient was readily available, catnip tea was very popular in Europe. One last thing: Researchers have found that catnip is very effective in repelling cockroaches.


> To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> From: DamePosintella@...
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:36:46 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: catnip/catmint
>
> If you could post a few more details of what was in the news article, I'm sure that it can be expanded.
> BTW, catnip is relaxing to humans both in tea form and in a 'dream/ relaxation pillow'.
>
> Elspeth McArran
>
>
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "storm85213" <original_xman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Happy (post)Thanksgiving. I hope that someone can verify/illuminate me on catnip. There was a brief article in the paper yesterday about the nature and uses of catnip beyond altering the states of cats. The article said that anise extract has the same effect on dogs, but that is another topic. One of the uses was as a cockroach repellent. Also stated was that catnip tea was a popular European tea before the importation of Chinese teas. I did a quick web search which did support the cockroach repellent, and that catnip was widespread throughout Europe and North Africa.
> >
> > Does anybody know of any other uses, or the earliest suspected uses in Europe?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
>
>
>
>
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> and renaissance herbalism and herbalism in the SCA. Please verify any health
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#7727 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:51 pm
Subject: RE: Re: catnip/catmint
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Sorry Elspeth,

Here is the entire article. This caught my attention because I had not heard of alternative uses for catnip before this article. I immediately thought about asking herbalists, since y'all are the experts that I rely on so much. Another reason is that some of my thoughts have turned to ancient options for hot drinks in the wintertime, that is besides alchohol (even though much of the wine was new wine with a low alcohol content). Teas are relatively easy to brew, and seem a natural outcropping of soups, medicants, etc. I know that herbs have been brewed for medicine, cosmetic effects, but I have not heard much about recreational brews to warm the insides when the weather was cold. I can't quite get my head around giving the children a cup of warm honey mead, though that would keep them quiet. lol Hence, this is why I asked about catnip. I am full of questions and always seeking answers. So, could catnip have been used as a recreational warm drink, does it have any medicinal properties, contraindications or side effects? How common were teas? and what where some common plants that were used? I am just curious. Thanks ahead of time for any thing that you wish to share with me.
Jack
ps I am not a cat person. I am a dog person. lol



Today's question:
I bought some catnip for my kitten, but she just ignores it. Can I give it to my dog?
A few things here:
Did you know that even big cats such as cougars or lions like catnip? I saw a video of a cougar on catnip, but in retrospect it wasn't all that interesting, so I'd didn't copy the address. You didn't mention how old your kitten is, but most cats don't react to catnip until they are at least 6 to 8 weeks old. In fact, some young cats will actually try to avoid it. And some cats get no kick from it at all. The active ingredient in catnip is something called nepetalactone. Cats have a receptor in their palates that is activated by the stuff and makes them goofy. However, somewhere between 10 percent and 30 percent of kitties lack this receptor, so catnip does not affect them. It's a genetic thing. As for your dog, catnip won't affect it because it doesn't have that receptor. I'd never heard about this before, but anise seed or anise-seed extract will work on dogs the same way catnip works on cats. I'm not sure why. Anyway, get some anise extract at the grocery store and rub it on one of your dog's favorite toys and see if it makes the dog weird. I don't think I'll try it. My dogs are weird enough as it is without getting them stoned. More about catnip: It has been used by humans for centuries to treat ailments such as colic, headache, fever, toothache and colds. It is also supposed to help you sleep. And before tea from the Orient was readily available, catnip tea was very popular in Europe. One last thing: Researchers have found that catnip is very effective in repelling cockroaches.


> To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> From: DamePosintella@...
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:36:46 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: catnip/catmint
>
> If you could post a few more details of what was in the news article, I'm sure that it can be expanded.
> BTW, catnip is relaxing to humans both in tea form and in a 'dream/ relaxation pillow'.
>
> Elspeth McArran
>
>
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "storm85213" <original_xman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Happy (post)Thanksgiving. I hope that someone can verify/illuminate me on catnip. There was a brief article in the paper yesterday about the nature and uses of catnip beyond altering the states of cats. The article said that anise extract has the same effect on dogs, but that is another topic. One of the uses was as a cockroach repellent. Also stated was that catnip tea was a popular European tea before the importation of Chinese teas. I did a quick web search which did support the cockroach repellent, and that catnip was widespread throughout Europe and North Africa.
> >
> > Does anybody know of any other uses, or the earliest suspected uses in Europe?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> and renaissance herbalism and herbalism in the SCA. Please verify any health
> information in other sources and/or with a qualified health professional.
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#7726 From: "perriscott" <DamePosintella@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: catnip/catmint
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If you could post a few more details of what was in the news article, I'm sure
that it can be expanded.
BTW, catnip is relaxing to humans both in tea form and in a 'dream/ relaxation
pillow'.

Elspeth McArran



--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "storm85213" <original_xman@...> wrote:
>
> Happy (post)Thanksgiving. I hope that someone can verify/illuminate me on
catnip. There was a brief article in the paper yesterday about the nature and
uses of catnip beyond altering the states of cats. The article said that anise
extract has the same effect on dogs, but that is another topic. One of the uses
was as a cockroach repellent. Also stated was that catnip tea was a popular
European tea before the importation of Chinese teas. I did a quick web search
which did support the cockroach repellent, and that catnip was widespread
throughout Europe and North Africa.
>
> Does anybody know of any other uses, or the earliest suspected uses in Europe?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>

#7725 From: "storm85213" <original_xman@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: catnip/catmint
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Happy (post)Thanksgiving. I hope that someone can verify/illuminate me on
catnip. There was a brief article in the paper yesterday about the nature and
uses of catnip beyond altering the states of cats. The article said that anise
extract has the same effect on dogs, but that is another topic. One of the uses
was as a cockroach repellent. Also stated was that catnip tea was a popular
European tea before the importation of Chinese teas. I did a quick web search
which did support the cockroach repellent, and that catnip was widespread
throughout Europe and North Africa.

Does anybody know of any other uses, or the earliest suspected uses in Europe?
Thanks,
Jack

#7724 From: "perriscott" <DamePosintella@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: Ghee
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I don't generally post "religious" type posts unless it is an "anthropological
quote"-- too many toes get offended and it tends to get one booted from a List--
unless it is a List forum set up for such discussions.

Just an "interesting" and "this-reminds-me-of" kind of observation.
Ointments and such are pretty universal from 10,000BC to 2009AD and whether they
were used for "shamanic" medicine or prescription acne meds is pretty much a
matter of time and place context.  Unfortunately, since _we_ didn't live back
then, [almost] all of what-we-think-we-know is based on theoretical conjecture--
heck, we might even be dead on accurate, but without actual records, we will
never know.

Health,
Elspeth McArran



--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Spirituality and religious practices associated with herbalism is not
discussed often. I would be interested. Don't hurt yourself trying to get at
your library. Take care of business first, this can wait.
> Jack
>
> > To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> > From: DamePosintella@...
> > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:37:07 +0000
> > Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: Ghee
> >
> > Nothing "Period" per se, but as an 'arm-chair' mythologist (ie. Comparative
Religion studies), with a bent towards herbalism, I seem to recall that this
concoction (or something similar) was used by Tibetan monks to anoint the ground
as a blessing for the souls of those that might be crushed under foot by
accident (insects/worms), or just as a blessing to honor the earth.
> >
> > The exact reference escapes me at the moment--90% of my [text] books and
belongings are in storage at the moment after my Big Move (now sleeping in a
friends spare bedroom).  Will try to locate it if anyone is interested.
> >
> > Trying to stay marginally on topic,
> > Elspeth
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I believe the original question was about recipes using ghee for
ointments, not food.  So far no one has addressed that particular question, and
I know I for one am interested in the response.  I have seen modern Ayuverdic
manuals calling for the use of ghee mixed with sesame oil as a daily
moisturizer/tonic.  The manuals specifically call for the concoction to be used
on the soles of the feet every night before bed, in theory to help draw out the
toxins in the body and help restore a sense of equilibrium.  Has anyone seen any
period recipes in Arabic or Hindu texts calling for the use of ghee in such a
fashion?
> > > >
> > > > Aldyth the Gentle
> > >
> > > I guess not :)
> > >
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Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:13 pm
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Spirituality and religious practices associated with herbalism is not discussed often. I would be interested. Don't hurt yourself trying to get at your library. Take care of business first, this can wait.
Jack

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> From: DamePosintella@...
> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:37:07 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: Ghee
>
> Nothing "Period" per se, but as an 'arm-chair' mythologist (ie. Comparative Religion studies), with a bent towards herbalism, I seem to recall that this concoction (or something similar) was used by Tibetan monks to anoint the ground as a blessing for the souls of those that might be crushed under foot by accident (insects/worms), or just as a blessing to honor the earth.
>
> The exact reference escapes me at the moment--90% of my [text] books and belongings are in storage at the moment after my Big Move (now sleeping in a friends spare bedroom). Will try to locate it if anyone is interested.
>
> Trying to stay marginally on topic,
> Elspeth
>
>
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I believe the original question was about recipes using ghee for ointments, not food.  So far no one has addressed that particular question, and I know I for one am interested in the response.  I have seen modern Ayuverdic manuals calling for the use of ghee mixed with sesame oil as a daily moisturizer/tonic.  The manuals specifically call for the concoction to be used on the soles of the feet every night before bed, in theory to help draw out the toxins in the body and help restore a sense of equilibrium.  Has anyone seen any period recipes in Arabic or Hindu texts calling for the use of ghee in such a fashion?
> > >
> > > Aldyth the Gentle
> >
> > I guess not :)
> >
> > Nawojka
> >
>
>
>
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#7722 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Ghee
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Spirituality and religious practices associated with herbalism is not discussed often. I would be interested. Don't hurt yourself trying to get at your library. Take care of business first, this can wait.
Jack

> To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> From: DamePosintella@...
> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:37:07 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: Ghee
>
> Nothing "Period" per se, but as an 'arm-chair' mythologist (ie. Comparative Religion studies), with a bent towards herbalism, I seem to recall that this concoction (or something similar) was used by Tibetan monks to anoint the ground as a blessing for the souls of those that might be crushed under foot by accident (insects/worms), or just as a blessing to honor the earth.
>
> The exact reference escapes me at the moment--90% of my [text] books and belongings are in storage at the moment after my Big Move (now sleeping in a friends spare bedroom). Will try to locate it if anyone is interested.
>
> Trying to stay marginally on topic,
> Elspeth
>
>
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I believe the original question was about recipes using ghee for ointments, not food.  So far no one has addressed that particular question, and I know I for one am interested in the response.  I have seen modern Ayuverdic manuals calling for the use of ghee mixed with sesame oil as a daily moisturizer/tonic.  The manuals specifically call for the concoction to be used on the soles of the feet every night before bed, in theory to help draw out the toxins in the body and help restore a sense of equilibrium.  Has anyone seen any period recipes in Arabic or Hindu texts calling for the use of ghee in such a fashion?
> > >
> > > Aldyth the Gentle
> >
> > I guess not :)
> >
> > Nawojka
> >
>
>
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#7721 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:33 pm
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Cool. Throwing a little grass on the sweat lodge fire would sure help with bilocation, a specialist trick of shamans. This also begs the question.......Since the article did NOT mention any shamanic materials, was the cannabis used medicinally, and so part of a high status warrior's kit (archery equipment and harp were in the burial). There is a good chance that he was a paleo surfer dude who got stranded after the flood. lol
Jack

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> From: christianetrue@...
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:59:35 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] The Tarim (was Re: Ghee)
>
> And bringing it back to the herbal topic, another shaman who was found with marijuana!
>
> Also a hat decorated with cowrie shells from the Indian ocean. Drop this tribal-hippie dude into a cafe on Valencia Street in the Mission in San Francisco, and no one would probably give him a second glance. <grin>
>
> Here's an article I found that talks about him and his "stash":
>
> http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Researchers_find_oldest-ever_stash_of_marijuana.html
>
> Adelisa
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...> wrote:
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> >
> > yup, and if I recall don't seem to have a big war culture yet. They did have a woman shaman, though.
> > Jack
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#7720 From: "perriscott" <DamePosintella@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:37 pm
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Nothing "Period" per se, but as an 'arm-chair' mythologist (ie. Comparative
Religion studies), with a bent towards herbalism, I seem to recall that this
concoction (or something similar) was used by Tibetan monks to anoint the ground
as a blessing for the souls of those that might be crushed under foot by
accident (insects/worms), or just as a blessing to honor the earth.

The exact reference escapes me at the moment--90% of my [text] books and
belongings are in storage at the moment after my Big Move (now sleeping in a
friends spare bedroom).  Will try to locate it if anyone is interested.

Trying to stay marginally on topic,
Elspeth



--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Rosie" <Rosie_0801@...> wrote:
>
> > I believe the original question was about recipes using ghee for ointments,
not food. So far no one has addressed that particular question, and I know I
for one am interested in the response. I have seen modern Ayuverdic manuals
calling for the use of ghee mixed with sesame oil as a daily moisturizer/tonic.
The manuals specifically call for the concoction to be used on the soles of the
feet every night before bed, in theory to help draw out the toxins in the body
and help restore a sense of equilibrium. Has anyone seen any period recipes in
Arabic or Hindu texts calling for the use of ghee in such a fashion?
> >
> > Aldyth the Gentle
>
> I guess not :)
>
> Nawojka
>

#7719 From: "gianottadallafiora" <christianetrue@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:59 pm
Subject: The Tarim (was Re: Ghee)
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And bringing it back to the herbal topic, another shaman who was found with
marijuana!

Also a hat decorated with cowrie shells from the Indian ocean. Drop this
tribal-hippie dude into a cafe on Valencia Street in the Mission in San
Francisco, and no one would probably give him a second glance. <grin>

Here's an article I found that talks about him and his "stash":

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Researchers_find_oldest-ever_stash\
_of_marijuana.html

Adelisa

--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
wrote:
>
>
> yup, and if I recall don't seem to have a big war culture yet. They did have a
woman shaman, though.
> Jack

#7718 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:17 am
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yup, and if I recall don't seem to have a big war culture yet. They did have a woman shaman, though.
Jack

> To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
> From: christianetrue@...
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:34:27 +0000
> Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] The Tarim (was Re: Ghee)
>
> FYI; just saw a program about the Tarim mummies, in which genetic testing was done.
>
> The results were extremely interesting. Turns out the Tarim were more analagous to today's modern American culture; genetically, they were a melting pot of Asian, Eurasian, and European stock. They were trading and intermarrying with all the cultures that they encountered/passed through/etc., it seems.
>
> YIS,
> Adelisa di Salerno
>
> --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy all. I have to put my 1.73 cents (devalued) in. This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. The Tarim mummies were not Celts . They may have gotten that stigma from their reddish hair, and some of their textiles were herringbone weave or with plaid patterns. These are simply early textiles. As for their height, that could be due to diet. Europeans tended to be bigger the farther north they lived and that is assumed to be from the higher percentage of meat in their diets, much as the Japanese began to get taller after WWII, and their adoption of a more meaty American diet. On the whole, the ancients were shorter than the average European of today. The Roman male averaged 5'5''-5'7", the British male a bit less, Gallic males were up to 5'10" and Germans around 6'0". However the Mediterranean males were shorter. The Greeks averaged around 5'3" (the dreaded Spartans were peewees) and Palestinians around 5'0". Compare this with the 5'3"-5'6" Neandertal males. On the whole, they were shorter and slighter. People of the Mediterranean Basin ate more veggies and seafood because it was easier to garden there than farther north. Now to period, go check out the armor collections for the middle ages and Renaissance. The knightly class (aristocracy) had the best diets available in their times. However the armor on display are not for big, modern professional atheletes. Those men were still almost average in height compared to today, and much slighter. They also had chicken legs. I don't know how they could walk without calves. Anyway, there are always exceptions such as Charlemagne and Henry VIII. As for the Tarim mummies being Celts, I don't think so. (proper Celtic studies only began after WWII) They were broadly simultaneous to the Halstatt Culture, or the first true Celtic peoples. Even in this celtic is a linguistic group with shared art and technology, which was also shared by non-celtic groups (such as some of the plastic plants and animals used in decoration, and much of the plant imagery was from the Greeks. The Tarim mummy people probably spoke and Indo-Iranian rather than Indo-European language.To speak of a Celtic Culture is inappropriate but oh so popular. Celtic culture is very modern phenomenon, and I suspect has some linkages back to the 18th-19th centuries notion of the noble savage. The first of this phenomenon may have been the Scottish plaid craze that took hold in Victorian England. Remember the clearances following the 1740 revolt of Bonnie Prince Charlie, and all the English aristocrats went north to take over the lands, ejecting the Scots and their cattle for sheep. It was also Victorian England which glorified the Highland regiments and their kilts. Tartans were invented, as well as regularizing clans. There were no clan tartans before Victoria. Nowadays, Celtic culture has spread from reference to the Irish out to the Scots (I am Clan Henderson). Today the last of these linguistically Celtic European peoples are the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Manx, Cornish and Bretons. There are other groups in Eastern Europe and the Middle East (Galatians in Turkey come to mind). No one used the term Celt as official until very recently. Up until very recently these groups were referred to by tribe (ancient) or region (medieval and Renaissance). Sorry for the essay, but I have made some study of this issue. The issue is not helped by all the Renaissance festivals which really muddy up the Celts. I love the fairs, but they are not history. The participants my be historically accurate, but the venue is not. I am sure there is a similar contradiction with the Robin Hood festivals in England. Unfortunately, the word "Celtic" has a popular meaning, as in Celtic Culture, but that is artificial and inaccurate. The Tarim were not Celts. They just had red hair, long legs, wore plaid sometimes and spoke an Iranian dialect. For the medieval and Renaissance periods just call them Irish, Scots, Manx, Welsh, Cornish and Bretons. That would be historically accurate.
> > Jack
> > ps There is archaeological evidence that the Tarim mummy people (long head European types) interacted peacefully and intermarried with round headed Asian types. This does not necessarily debunk the violence of the ancestors. It does set a nice precedent.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On the medieval side: The Tarim mummies, for those who aren't familiar
> >
> > with them, are a group of natural mummies found in the Tarim basin of
> >
> > China. Despite being Bronze age and being buried long before anyone
> >
> > from the west was supposed to (by our knowledge) traveling that far
> >
> > eastward, they appear to be of Celtic origin and the adults were over 6
> >
> > ft. tall. There is evidence that they actually introduced writing and
> >
> > chariots to China. So the myth that our medieval ancestors were shorter
> >
> > than us is once again debunked. The myth that our medieval ancestors
> >
> > lived shorter lifespans is also debunked by these and other finds. The
> >
> > question is do you think it was diet?
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#7717 From: "gianottadallafiora" <christianetrue@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:34 pm
Subject: The Tarim (was Re: Ghee)
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FYI; just saw a program about the Tarim mummies, in which genetic testing was
done.

The results were extremely interesting. Turns out the Tarim were more analagous
to today's modern American culture; genetically, they were a melting pot of
Asian, Eurasian, and European stock. They were trading and intermarrying with
all the cultures that they encountered/passed through/etc., it seems.

YIS,
Adelisa di Salerno

--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Howdy all. I have to put my 1.73 cents (devalued) in. This is a bit of a pet
peeve of mine. The Tarim mummies were not Celts . They may have gotten that
stigma from their reddish hair, and some of their textiles were herringbone
weave or with plaid patterns. These are simply early textiles. As for their
height, that could be due to diet. Europeans tended to be bigger the farther
north they lived and that is assumed to be from the higher percentage of meat in
their diets, much as the Japanese began to get taller after WWII, and their
adoption of a more meaty American diet. On the whole, the ancients were shorter
than the average European of today. The Roman male averaged 5'5''-5'7", the
British male a bit less, Gallic males were up to 5'10" and Germans around 6'0".
However the Mediterranean males were shorter. The Greeks averaged around 5'3"
(the dreaded Spartans were peewees) and Palestinians around 5'0". Compare this
with the 5'3"-5'6" Neandertal males. On the whole, they were shorter and
slighter. People of the Mediterranean Basin ate more veggies and seafood because
it was easier to garden there than farther north. Now to period, go check out
the armor collections for the middle ages and Renaissance. The knightly class
(aristocracy) had the best diets available in their times. However the armor on
display are not for big, modern professional atheletes. Those men were still
almost average in height compared to today, and much slighter. They also had
chicken legs. I don't know how they could walk without calves. Anyway, there are
always exceptions such as Charlemagne and Henry VIII. As for the Tarim mummies
being Celts, I don't think so. (proper Celtic studies only began after WWII)
They were broadly simultaneous to the Halstatt Culture, or the first true Celtic
peoples. Even in this celtic is a linguistic group with shared art and
technology, which was also shared by non-celtic groups (such as some of the
plastic plants and animals used in decoration, and much of the plant imagery was
from the Greeks.  The Tarim mummy people probably spoke and Indo-Iranian rather
than Indo-European language.To speak of a Celtic Culture is inappropriate but oh
so popular. Celtic culture is very modern phenomenon, and I suspect has some
linkages back to the 18th-19th centuries notion of the noble savage. The first
of this phenomenon may have been the Scottish plaid craze that took hold in
Victorian England. Remember the clearances following the 1740 revolt of Bonnie
Prince Charlie, and all the English aristocrats went north to take over the
lands, ejecting the Scots and their cattle for sheep. It was also Victorian
England which glorified the Highland regiments and their kilts. Tartans were
invented, as well as regularizing clans. There were no clan tartans before
Victoria. Nowadays, Celtic culture has spread from reference to the Irish out to
the Scots (I am Clan Henderson). Today the last of these linguistically Celtic
European peoples are the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Manx, Cornish and Bretons. There
are other groups in Eastern Europe and the Middle East (Galatians in Turkey come
to mind). No one used the term Celt as official until very recently. Up until
very recently these groups were referred to by tribe (ancient) or region
(medieval and Renaissance). Sorry for the essay, but I have made some study of
this issue. The issue is not helped by all the Renaissance festivals which
really muddy up the Celts. I love the fairs, but they are not history. The
participants my be historically accurate, but the venue is not. I am sure there
is a similar contradiction with the Robin Hood festivals in England.
Unfortunately, the word "Celtic" has a popular meaning, as in Celtic Culture,
but that is artificial and inaccurate. The Tarim were not Celts. They just had
red hair, long legs, wore plaid sometimes and spoke an Iranian dialect. For the
medieval and Renaissance periods just call them Irish, Scots, Manx, Welsh,
Cornish and Bretons. That would be historically accurate.
> Jack
> ps There is archaeological evidence that the Tarim mummy people (long head
European types) interacted peacefully and intermarried with round headed Asian
types. This does not necessarily debunk the violence of the ancestors. It does
set a nice precedent.
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>
>
> On the medieval side:  The Tarim mummies, for those who aren't familiar
>
> with them, are a group of natural mummies found in the Tarim basin of
>
> China.  Despite being Bronze age and being buried long before anyone
>
> from the west was supposed to (by our knowledge) traveling that far
>
> eastward, they appear to be of Celtic origin and the adults were over 6
>
> ft. tall.  There is evidence that they actually introduced writing and
>
> chariots to China.  So the myth that our medieval ancestors were shorter
>
> than us is once again debunked.  The myth that our medieval ancestors
>
> lived shorter lifespans is also debunked by these and other finds.  The
>
> question is do you think it was diet?
>
> Avacyn
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#7716 From: "perriscott" <DamePosintella@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: Book sale this weekend - books CHEAP
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Halo Marian,

Hope your sale went well!
Are there any books left?  If so, could those that do not live anywhere close to
Boston get a listing?  For those that have it, do you accept Pay Pal?  Or Money
Order, for dinosaurs, like me?

Regards,
Elspeth McArran
(Cossacks in Alabama)



--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Marian Walke <marian@...> wrote:
>
> If any of you are going to be in the Boston area this coming weekend
> (Nov 14 & 15), you may be interested in a book sale I am holding.  In
> addition to many books on Medieval history and life in general, cookery
> & baking, and various crafts, there are almost 100 books on herbs,
> spices, gardens, herbals, etc.
>
> When: Nov 14 &15, Sat & Sun, 10-6 each day
>
> Where: The Buttery, 24 Kenwood St, Dorchester MA 02124.  For directions
> and maps, see www.buttery.org/directions
>
> What: Books, CHEAP!  Hardcovers, $2 each, paperbacks $1 each
>
> More info: email me or call 617-461-3747
>
>
> Old Marian
>

#7715 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Ghee
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mom just used it for cooking. I did use to get warm olive oil in my ears for an ear ache, though.
Jack


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From: a1979carr@...
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:30:25 -0800
Subject: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: Ghee




I believe the original question was about recipes using ghee for ointments, not food.  So far no one has addressed that particular question, and I know I for one am interested in the response.  I have seen modern Ayuverdic manuals calling for the use of ghee mixed with sesame oil as a daily moisturizer/tonic.  The manuals specifically call for the concoction to be used on the soles of the feet every night before bed, in theory to help draw out the toxins in the body and help restore a sense of equilibrium.  Has anyone seen any period recipes in Arabic or Hindu texts calling for the use of ghee in such a fashion?

Aldyth the Gentle





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#7714 From: Alyson <tolkienscholar@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:19 am
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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Thanks, I had thought that I had learned about Vitamin E but I've forgotten more than I've learned over the years....:)
Kemper
 
Life is meant to be an adventure; change is a gift that we have to learn to use aright. A Celtic curse is to be stuck in a field and unable to leave. To be stuck in one place forever.
To be unable to venture or change.
An open gate is the opposite of this. It is the invitation to venture, to grow, the call to be among the living vital elements of the world.
The open gate is the call to explore new areas of yourself
and the world around you
~David Adam,The Open Gate~




From: Dianna Haught <avacyn@...>
To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 5:38:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Need Help - Moisturizers

 

Yes, Vit. E is an oil based vitamin and can be toxic in high doses
because the body can't easily rid itself of excess. Its hard for an
adult to get toxic dosages but I wouldn't use it with an infant.
Avacyn

Alyson wrote:
>
>
> Question. I've read conflicting reports about the intake of Vitamin E
> and that some levels are toxic. Would an infant experience adverse
> affects to Vitamin E? Would he or she be ingesting enough to do harm?
> Kemper


#7713 From: jack hollandbeck <original_xman@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:21 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Ghee
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Howdy all. I have to put my 1.73 cents (devalued) in. This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. The Tarim mummies were not Celts . They may have gotten that stigma from their reddish hair, and some of their textiles were herringbone weave or with plaid patterns. These are simply early textiles. As for their height, that could be due to diet. Europeans tended to be bigger the farther north they lived and that is assumed to be from the higher percentage of meat in their diets, much as the Japanese began to get taller after WWII, and their adoption of a more meaty American diet. On the whole, the ancients were shorter than the average European of today. The Roman male averaged 5'5''-5'7", the British male a bit less, Gallic males were up to 5'10" and Germans around 6'0". However the Mediterranean males were shorter. The Greeks averaged around 5'3" (the dreaded Spartans were peewees) and Palestinians around 5'0". Compare this with the 5'3"-5'6" Neandertal males. On the whole, they were shorter and slighter. People of the Mediterranean Basin ate more veggies and seafood because it was easier to garden there than farther north. Now to period, go check out the armor collections for the middle ages and Renaissance. The knightly class (aristocracy) had the best diets available in their times. However the armor on display are not for big, modern professional atheletes. Those men were still almost average in height compared to today, and much slighter. They also had chicken legs. I don't know how they could walk without calves. Anyway, there are always exceptions such as Charlemagne and Henry VIII. As for the Tarim mummies being Celts, I don't think so. (proper Celtic studies only began after WWII) They were broadly simultaneous to the Halstatt Culture, or the first true Celtic peoples. Even in this celtic is a linguistic group with shared art and technology, which was also shared by non-celtic groups (such as some of the plastic plants and animals used in decoration, and much of the plant imagery was from the Greeks.  The Tarim mummy people probably spoke and Indo-Iranian rather than Indo-European language.To speak of a Celtic Culture is inappropriate but oh so popular. Celtic culture is very modern phenomenon, and I suspect has some linkages back to the 18th-19th centuries notion of the noble savage. The first of this phenomenon may have been the Scottish plaid craze that took hold in Victorian England. Remember the clearances following the 1740 revolt of Bonnie Prince Charlie, and all the English aristocrats went north to take over the lands, ejecting the Scots and their cattle for sheep. It was also Victorian England which glorified the Highland regiments and their kilts. Tartans were invented, as well as regularizing clans. There were no clan tartans before Victoria. Nowadays, Celtic culture has spread from reference to the Irish out to the Scots (I am Clan Henderson). Today the last of these linguistically Celtic European peoples are the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Manx, Cornish and Bretons. There are other groups in Eastern Europe and the Middle East (Galatians in Turkey come to mind). No one used the term Celt as official until very recently. Up until very recently these groups were referred to by tribe (ancient) or region (medieval and Renaissance). Sorry for the essay, but I have made some study of this issue. The issue is not helped by all the Renaissance festivals which really muddy up the Celts. I love the fairs, but they are not history. The participants my be historically accurate, but the venue is not. I am sure there is a similar contradiction with the Robin Hood festivals in England. Unfortunately, the word "Celtic" has a popular meaning, as in Celtic Culture, but that is artificial and inaccurate. The Tarim were not Celts. They just had red hair, long legs, wore plaid sometimes and spoke an Iranian dialect. For the medieval and Renaissance periods just call them Irish, Scots, Manx, Welsh, Cornish and Bretons. That would be historically accurate.
Jack
ps There is archaeological evidence that the Tarim mummy people (long head European types) interacted peacefully and intermarried with round headed Asian types. This does not necessarily debunk the violence of the ancestors. It does set a nice precedent.



On the medieval side: The Tarim mummies, for those who aren't familiar
with them, are a group of natural mummies found in the Tarim basin of
China. Despite being Bronze age and being buried long before anyone
from the west was supposed to (by our knowledge) traveling that far
eastward, they appear to be of Celtic origin and the adults were over 6
ft. tall. There is evidence that they actually introduced writing and
chariots to China. So the myth that our medieval ancestors were shorter
than us is once again debunked. The myth that our medieval ancestors
lived shorter lifespans is also debunked by these and other finds. The
question is do you think it was diet?
Avacyn







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#7712 From: Jennifer Heise <jenne.heise@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:32 pm
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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Dianaim,

Gervase Markham suggests:
From Gervase Markham's English Housewife (1615):
"To make an oil which shall make the skin of the hands very smooth, take almonds and beat them to oil, then take whole cloves and put them both together into a glass, and set it in the sun five or six days; then strain it, and with the same anoint your hands every night when you go to bed, and otherwise as you have convenient leisure."

On the other hand, Juergen gets cracked skin all the time, especially in Winter. We've had good luck with the NexCare Skin Crack Care.

One thing you absolutely don't want to do is use any treatment with Glycerine in it, Glycerine just brings moisture to the surface of the skin and doesn't seal it in.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Dianaim <tempestviolet@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Need some advise. I have been diagnosed with skin barrier depletion or "mother's/homemaker hands". It is common when someones hands are in water all the time, like washing dishes without gloves. It is also a common "after pregnancy" thing. That is how I got it. It seems that it is the repercussions of my pregnancy with my daughter who is now 8 mos old. What it is, is that my hands are so dry, they are splitting at the joints and creases and causing pain, irritation and bleeding. They cannot give me the regular course of treatment because that would entail putting a steroid cream on the hands and my daughter is teething and putting everything in her mouth, including my hands.

I have tried many over-the-counter moisturizers to no avail. Is there anything that you folks can recommend that might help?

Thanks,

Dianaim



#7711 From: "Deborah" <ladyliadan@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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Dianaim,
Whichever moisturizer you try, in addition to putting a little on as often as you can throughout the day, I would slather it on at night and put cotton gloves on. This keeps it on your hands and protects your sheets and blankets from getting oily, and allows you to put more on than will absorb right away. I had eczema on my hands and face that was made worse from excessive dryness and tried many of the things mentioned on this list. Most helped a little, but it was very slow so I kept trying new things to see if there was something better. I also ate more fish and took evening primrose oil, Vit E and Vit A in the oil capsule form. After it cleared up and I slacked off on some of the solutions that helped me I have had a few flare ups. I go back to the things that worked for me, and my eczema goes away much quicker, and stays away if I keep from getting very dry skin. Good Luck!
Liadan of Seahaven

#7710 From: Marian Walke <marian@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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ayeshatrentacapilli wrote:
> When I was child I had a similar problem with my feet as did my father. A
local pharmacist would make up the foul smelling concoction of white petroleum
jelly and sulfur, worked wonders. I would smear it on very thickly and put a
pair of socks on overnight. Obviously you'd have to wash before you handled your
daughter each morning but it might help, though where you might get it would be
question.
>

I used to use bag balm in the same way.  I figured if the kid ingested a
bit, it would do no more harm than it did to the calves.

Old Marian

#7709 From: "ayeshatrentacapilli" <lmblauvelt@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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When I was child I had a similar problem with my feet as did my father. A local
pharmacist would make up the foul smelling concoction of white petroleum jelly
and sulfur, worked wonders. I would smear it on very thickly and put a pair of
socks on overnight. Obviously you'd have to wash before you handled your
daughter each morning but it might help, though where you might get it would be
question.

--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Dianaim <tempestviolet@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Need some advise.  I have been diagnosed with skin barrier depletion or
> "mother's/homemaker hands".  It is common when someones hands are in water
> all the time, like washing dishes without gloves.  It is also a common
> "after pregnancy" thing.  That is how I got it.  It seems that it is the
> repercussions of my pregnancy with my daughter who is now 8 mos old.  What
> it is, is that my hands are so dry, they are splitting at the joints and
> creases and causing pain, irritation and bleeding.  They cannot give me the
> regular course of treatment because that would entail putting a steroid
> cream on the hands and my daughter is teething and putting everything in her
> mouth, including my hands.
>
> I have tried many over-the-counter moisturizers to no avail.  Is there
> anything that you folks can recommend that might help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dianaim
>

#7708 From: Marian Walke <marian@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:27 am
Subject: Book sale this weekend - books CHEAP
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If any of you are going to be in the Boston area this coming weekend
(Nov 14 & 15), you may be interested in a book sale I am holding.  In
addition to many books on Medieval history and life in general, cookery
& baking, and various crafts, there are almost 100 books on herbs,
spices, gardens, herbals, etc.

When: Nov 14 &15, Sat & Sun, 10-6 each day

Where: The Buttery, 24 Kenwood St, Dorchester MA 02124.  For directions
and maps, see www.buttery.org/directions

What: Books, CHEAP!  Hardcovers, $2 each, paperbacks $1 each

More info: email me or call 617-461-3747


Old Marian

#7707 From: Dianna Haught <avacyn@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:38 am
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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Yes, Vit. E is an oil based vitamin and can be toxic in high doses
because the body can't easily rid itself of excess.  Its hard for an
adult to get toxic dosages but I wouldn't use it with an infant.
Avacyn

Alyson wrote:
>
>
> Question. I've read conflicting reports about the intake of Vitamin E
> and that some levels are toxic. Would an infant experience adverse
> affects to Vitamin E? Would he or she be ingesting enough to do harm?
> Kemper

#7706 From: Dianna Haught <avacyn@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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Lanolin.  Get good quality organic lanolin, not the machine separated
stuff which has all kinds of gunk in it.  Apply heavily before bed and
wear a pair of cotton gloves to sleep in.  You can apply it during the
day also.  It feels a little sticky going on but absorbs well.

Another thing you can do is start taking oil internally.  Coramega is
especially good - its emulsified fish oil (omega 3).  It comes in little
packets that you keep in the fridge and take one or two a day. It sounds
gross- its a little like fish pudding - but the servings are small and
its really not bad.  I've found it helps a lot with desert skin.  (I
live in Tucson, AZ) Or you can take teaspoonful of cold pressed olive
oil or almond oil straight.
Avacyn

Dianaim wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Need some advise.  I have been diagnosed with skin barrier depletion or
> "mother's/homemaker hands".  It is common when someones hands are in
> water all the time, like washing dishes without gloves.  It is also a
> common "after pregnancy" thing.  That is how I got it.  It seems that it
> is the repercussions of my pregnancy with my daughter who is now 8 mos
> old.  What it is, is that my hands are so dry, they are splitting at the
> joints and creases and causing pain, irritation and bleeding.  They
> cannot give me the regular course of treatment because that would entail
> putting a steroid cream on the hands and my daughter is teething and
> putting everything in her mouth, including my hands.
>
> I have tried many over-the-counter moisturizers to no avail.  Is there
> anything that you folks can recommend that might help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dianaim
>
>
>

#7705 From: Alyson <tolkienscholar@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: Need Help - Moisturizers
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Question. I've read conflicting reports about the intake of Vitamin E and that some levels are toxic. Would an infant experience adverse affects to Vitamin E? Would he or she be ingesting enough to do harm?
Kemper
 
Life is meant to be an adventure; change is a gift that we have to learn to use aright. A Celtic curse is to be stuck in a field and unable to leave. To be stuck in one place forever.
To be unable to venture or change.
An open gate is the opposite of this. It is the invitation to venture, to grow, the call to be among the living vital elements of the world.
The open gate is the call to explore new areas of yourself
and the world around you
~David Adam,The Open Gate~




From: Christina <witch.me@...>
To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:23:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Need Help - Moisturizers

 

Olive oil, sunflower oil, jojoba oil mixed with some vitamin E. at night before you go to bed.  I agree with the BB's, they are great.  I also use Hugo products.  All natural and very thick and creamy.  I would also nix any soaps that have harsh chemicals in them and go for all natural ones with oils in them.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Alyson <tolkienscholar@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I live in Alaska and the weather is very dry in the interior. I have found that Burt's Bees Body Butter and Burt's Bees Almond Milk Hand Creme works wonders. My puppies like to lick my feet and hands and since I apply skin creme to both I had to find a hand creme that was non-toxic and all natural. BUT some cremes that help repair skin have Comfrey in them, which cannot be taken internally. (The pharmacist who came over to inquire if I needed assistance thought I was insane when I mentioned my dogs :) I did call Burt's Bees (who did not think I was crazy) and confirmed that the Body Butter would not hurt them.
I usually put hand creme on my hands before bed and I've also put pure cocoa butter on my hands. Aloe is good for healing the skin and can be taken internally. I have yet to make my own skin creme successfully.
Kemper
 
Life is meant to be an adventure; change is a gift that we have to learn to use aright. A Celtic curse is to be stuck in a field and unable to leave. To be stuck in one place forever.
To be unable to venture or change.
An open gate is the opposite of this. It is the invitation to venture, to grow, the call to be among the living vital elements of the world.
The open gate is the call to explore new areas of yourself
and the world around you
~David Adam,The Open Gate~








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