We have a couple of new, home-grown members locally, and both were dressed in
perfectly simple t-tunics to our last event.

   Honestly, what could be cuter than a four-month old in a blue and red striped
tunic? Paired with sweats for the chilly morning and you have one adorable not
to mention comfy baby. I think there were as many pictures taken of the babies
as there were of the fighters!

   Simplicity is the key, though, especially when they are really young. No child
is happy when confined in clothes that aren't comfortable. Plain, boxy cut for
plenty of wiggle room, long enough to grow into over the season, a bright print
few adults could get away with and your little one will be the hit of the camp. 
Noone steals the show like a happy child.

   Johara

KallipygosRed <kallipygosred@...> wrote:
   JoLynn that is really creative! I know so many people who don't bother with
any garb at all for their little ones until they are about 3ish or so. Good for
you!

   When my kids were little I did very similiar things. I would shop the thrift
stores for embroidered shirts (usually short sleeves) for older kids (4-6T) and
then add white long sleeves with elastic cuffs. I added a little piece of the
white to the inset of the shirt, which had been stiched close except for upper
two buttons. I also added trim to the lower edge and used it to imitate slash
and puff for the sleeves.

   It was always easy to adjust stuff for them this way when my kids were little.
And as they outgrew them they went to other moms who didn't sew or into the
hospitalier's box.
   Get pics of your child in the outfit, though. I didn't, and I regret not
having the pictures of my creativity, and their first court garb!

   Lars in Atenveldt


Jodi <jlave7866@...> wrote:
   My lord husband and I recently attended the kingdom Crown Tourney and
I had to make a new tunic for our (then) 8 month old son as he had
outgrown the tunic I made for him when he was 4 months old. Being
short of time and no space to set up my machine I cheated in a MAJOR
way. I purchased a 4T sized t-shirt, some bias tape, and a bottle of
fabric glue. I used the fabric glue to attach the baby blue single
fold bias type to his navy blue t-shirt at the hem and sleeves. Only
took me about an hour. Trust me, after packing up food and everything
else needed for the day, and a 4 hour drive ahead of me. (all this
after getting off work and having only had 4 hrs sleep in the last 36)
it was all I had the energy for. All in all, the project came out
okay, except for where I got a little heavy with the glue in a few
areas. Trim is still stiff after being washed twice. *grin*

*** presenting herself for punishment in the stocks***
YIS,
JoLynne de Gracie

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I also would like a copy :)
klwc123@...
Thank you
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>
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>
> baine @ microcore dot net
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> > Caitriona,
> >
> > Might I get a copy of that handout also??
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Norayn
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> > --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "DragonLady"
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> >>
> >  I have a small handout I did for a class on neck
> finishes for tunics
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Hello Lady Yoland,

   I am up in BC and it is so strange as a nurse I have a few days off  including
the weekend.  So I am thinking of getting in my car and  driving down to 40yr in
Washington.  I will know nobody.   What do you think?  Should I do it?

   dina

Elizabeth Walpole <ewalpole@...> wrote:
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Lady Yolanda or Lord Aeric" <antir@...>
   To: <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:20 AM
   Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb] Needing Assistance with First Time Garb


   > Okay...
   >
   > as a mother of a son (and daughter), cheat.
   >
   > The younger they are, the more you can get away with.  Kid doesn't
   > want to wear a t-tunic in itchy whatever, why not make it out of his
   > favorite cartoon characters.  This is the Society for CREATIVE
   > Anachronism, not compulsory authenticity.

   Why would it be itchy? good quality wool is not itchy (unless you're
   actually allergic to either wool or the chemicals used in processing it) and
   wearing wool against your skin isn't period (because in period they didn't
   have washing machines so you wore linen aginst your skin to absorb sweat but
   the hard to wash wool stayed on the outside & you could brush off most
   dirt). You can be creative without wearing such screamingly modern fabrics
   as a cartoon print, a plain coloured cotton will work equally well. Letting
   children have an imput into what they will wear is a good idea (you're much
   less likely to get protests of 'but I don't like that one' when it comes
   time to wear it) and most kids will be pretty happy to just pick their
   favorite colour if you offer a selection of plain coloured fabrics.

   >
   > For pants, any pair of pants so long as they aren't jeans will
   > do.  T-tunics for him should bisect between his knee and
   > midthigh.  Longer ones will last longer as he grows.  Simple t-tunics
   > are easy to make and can be made from many different fibres.  Patches
   > on knees are okay.  For shoes, if it stays on his feet, they work. ;)

   I agree on most of this but I'd suggest you try to avoid fleecy knit fabrics
   for pants (just have a look in his cupboard and see what he's got in plain
   coloured non fleecy pants (apart from jeans) For shoes, I'd go for
   inconspicuous as possible, don't go buying new shoes just for SCA wear but
   pick plain black leather shoes instead of white & flurescent.

   >
   > When he's older and can sew his own things and be as fancy as he likes.
   >
   > Wool blends are also okay.
   >
   > Me?  I'm putting my kids in simple stuff.  Yes, my daughter had a
   > "bodice dress" that she wears but instead of a chemise, she just
   > wears a t-tunic.
   >
   > Now, I gotta go and sew for 40y. EEEEEEEK
   >
   > Lady Yolanda de Guelph MI
   > Artiste of Gryphonshold
   >

   But a 16th century English chemise IS a t-tunic (of the squares and
   triangles variety not the 'lie down on a piece of fabric' style) it's only
   the Italians (and maybe the Germans) who went overboard with big puffy
   chemises. For a quick, cheap tunic look at this page
   http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html though I
   disagree with her 'no cotton' rule in the case of children's clothes because
   by the time they usually out grow it before they wear it out(an Elizabethan
   chemise is cut this way too except that it usually doesn't have gores at the
   front and back)
   Elizabeth
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I am making chemises for my 2 daughters, ages 3 and 6.
  I am trying ot keep it relatively period for a
mid-13th century Scots/Celtic persona.  Can anyone
direct me to some good patterns for that?  Thank you


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There is a scientific reason. The difference is in the physical structure of
the staple that the yarn is spun from, and the air pockets/spaces trapped
within the yarn.
<SNIP>

Wow that was interesting and informative!  Thank you so much for sharing.  I
love when learning something new everyday is fun.

Ah'reylia

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Very intersting!

Last week I found a pair of black shoes there with a handstitched white
thread whipped around all the endges, works very well for "my first garb
shoes" *Grin*

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--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Karolyn <dorathalia@...> wrote:
>
> I am making chemises for my 2 daughters, ages 3 and 6.
>  I am trying ot keep it relatively period for a
> mid-13th century Scots/Celtic persona.  Can anyone
> direct me to some good patterns for that?  Thank you
>

A chemise of this time and place would probably have been like a tunic,
but made of white or off-white linen.  Probably would have been shorter
(calf length than the over-dress.

Here is a website that has good instructions:

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/StLouis.html

Note:  there is also an article called "chemises" on this website, but
it is for chemises from the 1500's, not the same as what you want.

Rashid

Not bad from a visual standpoint.  The look they are going for is
definitely heading into the 17th century but as long as you choose
thin-ish soles and minimal heels, it can pass for the 1590's or so.
Another variation I've used for stage costumes is a sort of ankle high
slipper with a leather sole and elastic gores on each side.  You cut
out the elastic and add a strip of leather across the back that
extends into latchets.  The reason he finds the cheap copies fit
better than the hand-made versions is that shoes were made "straight"
or without left/right fitting by this period.  You had to "break them
in" and mould the leather to your feet before they got even vaguely
comfortable.  The more authentic the shoe, the less modern people are
going to like them, first try.  Sad but true.

K.

  --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Dwain Crackel" <dcrackel@...>
wrote:
>
> I found this article to turn a $10 pair of payless shoes into
> something pretty close to period shoes.
>
> http://www.luckhardt.com/ecwsa53.html
>
> I wondered if this was accurate... and suggestable?
>
> Thanks
> Dwain
>

I've had really good luck with Rockport shoes- the last two pairs I
bought of them closely resemble the Dungiven shoes dating to
approximately the late 16th century. (there's been no substantial
dating done on them, but it's definately around that 16th to 17th
changeover time)
They're great because I can wear them both mundanely and at events when
I dress in late period.

Medb

>  --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Dwain Crackel" <dcrackel@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I found this article to turn a $10 pair of payless shoes into
> > something pretty close to period shoes.
> >
> > http://www.luckhardt.com/ecwsa53.html
> >
> > I wondered if this was accurate... and suggestable?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dwain
> >
>

Hello. I am trying to find referneces to clothing in Sweden circa
1563. I have someone that is portraying a sewdish lady in waiting to
Queen Elizabeth at a Ren Faire this year. I was just going to make
straight Elizabethan if I can't find any other distiguishing features
for the swedish from the time period. Any help will be greatly
appreciated.

Colleen

Janet Arnold has some swedish stuff in "patterns of Fashion, but it is
all men's if I remember correctly.

You might try looking for portraits from this time period.  See if you
cvan find an online geneology for the swedish royal house and then
googles the women's names from that period.

Rashid


--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Colleen" <Smagcoll@...> wrote:
>
> Hello. I am trying to find referneces to clothing in Sweden circa
> 1563. I have someone that is portraying a sewdish lady in waiting to
> Queen Elizabeth at a Ren Faire this year. I was just going to make
> straight Elizabethan if I can't find any other distiguishing features
> for the swedish from the time period. Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Colleen
>

You can't go wrong with the portrait of Helena Snakenborg, who was a Swedish
girl at Elizabeth's court.  This is a very famous, well-recognized portrait in
the Tate Gallery:

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=1497

She came to England with Princess Cecelia of Sweden and her husband, Margrave
Baden (IIRC, they were talking up King Eric of Sweden's suit for Elizabeth's
hand in marriage), and stayed behind when they left the country. Helena was one
of Elizabeth's favorite ladies of her court and with her marriage to the elderly
Marquess of Northampton, the highest ranking, as the Duke of Norfolk had
remarkably bad luck with his wives and matrimonal plans.

ciorstan

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> Hello. I am trying to find referneces to clothing in Sweden circa
> 1563. I have someone that is portraying a sewdish lady in waiting to
> Queen Elizabeth at a Ren Faire this year. I was just going to make
> straight Elizabethan if I can't find any other distiguishing features
> for the swedish from the time period. Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Colleen

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A friends BF who lives in An tir needs a new bog coat.

Living in Caid, I have NO IDEA what the heck he's talking about.  He
made it seem like it was the An Tirian regional garment.

A quick search lead us
to:http://www.thequiltercommunity.com/tqc/patternDetail.do?postId=298
and
http://www.mtnladyarns.com/weaving.pdf


I'm not sure if that's what he's referring to. He just kept
saying, "you know, a bog coat."

What is a bog coat? It that funky shapeless thing a bog coat?
Documentation? Ideas?

Thanks!

Abigail

I'd appreciate it as well.... PLEASE?

   Thanks

> --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "DragonLady" <dragonlady@...> wrote:
>>
>  I have a small handout I did for a class on neck finishes for tunics
> if  you'd like it.  Just send me your email addy and I'll forward it
> to you  since its only 3 pages it should clog up your mail to badly.
>
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   > > --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "DragonLady" wrote:

> I have a small handout I did for a class on neck finishes for tunics if you'd
like it. Just send me your email addy and I'll forward it to you since its only
3 pages it should clog up your mail to badly.

> Caitriona  REPLY
   Gentle Lady Catriona,
   may I also beg a copy of your hand-out for the garb-makers of our Companie?

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oh my god... I thought it was just me.  I worked three weeks of  graveyards then
two days of afternoons, one day shift and tomorrow  another afternoon.  I had to
look twice as well.  My mind  flashed cool ...redneck garb...I am so into
that...

otsisto <otsisto@...> wrote:        You know your tired when a brief look
at the subject heading reads in your
   mind Redneck finishes. :)
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I'm looking for a good site for viking garb any suggestions?
Lady Una
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*grin* I read it as "redneck fishes". ;)

-L

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> You know your tired when a brief look at the subject heading reads in your
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On 5/3/06, Calliope <akeen02037@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure if that's what he's referring to. He just kept
> saying, "you know, a bog coat."
>
> What is a bog coat? It that funky shapeless thing a bog coat?
> Documentation? Ideas?
>
>
>

Yes, that is a bog coat. I don't have access the the documentation (it ran
away to join the circus), but that's the coat you want. You can make it knee
length or longer, but the first link is the exact pattern you need to
follow. Shapeless, yes. Economic use of fabric and comfortable...YES.

Damiana

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> Hello. I am trying to find referneces to clothing in Sweden circa
> 1563. I have someone that is portraying a sewdish lady in waiting to
> Queen Elizabeth at a Ren Faire this year. I was just going to make
> straight Elizabethan if I can't find any other distiguishing features
> for the swedish from the time period. Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.

She would not have kept up with Swedish dress while she was in
England. But if you were wanting to go for a Swedish style then there
are online sources and probably book sources as well.
http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/danish.htm
I have a few at the bottom of this page. There are some similarities
with both Danish and English styles, but still with the regional
flavour.

Willemyne van Nymegen/Michaela de Bruce
http://costumes.glittersweet.com

I finally scanned in the hardcopy of the first page of my class handout
for tunics.  If allowed, I will post the file to our garb files area
and anyone who wants to look at it will have it available.  The first
page will be in .jpg format since that's how it scanned from the office
machine to me.  The remaining two pages are regular word documents.  I
hope it doesn't cause any undue problems for people who want to look.
I guess I'm just not IT inclined since I can't see how to download it
to the file, can a mod push me in the right direction?

Caitriona Campbell

Help!
I'm looking for the original painting that Mistress Oonagh's Turkish coat
for Venetian ladies was based on. All I can remember is that it was from two
portraits of a woman who was a Greek-island ruler (duchess? Princess?) and
was 16th-century. Googling "Greek Princess" gives me lots of interesting
pictures but none of them useful for my search and Oonagh's website appears
to be down.

I could have sworn that I had the paintings bookmarked. Does anyone have a
working link for them?
I promised a garb workshop to make some and now... epp!!


Hrothny

Oonagh's url changed.
I can't seem to find it but I did find this site that has the two pictures
that she based her coat on.
http://www.joyeusegarb.com/kernough/venetian_gown.html

De
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   Help!
   I'm looking for the original painting that Mistress Oonagh's Turkish coat
   for Venetian ladies was based on. All I can remember is that it was from
two
   portraits of a woman who was a Greek-island ruler (duchess? Princess?) and
   was 16th-century. Googling "Greek Princess" gives me lots of interesting
   pictures but none of them useful for my search and Oonagh's website
appears
   to be down.

   I could have sworn that I had the paintings bookmarked. Does anyone have a
   working link for them?
   I promised a garb workshop to make some and now... epp!!

   Hrothny



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My son (12) is thinking of changing his persona from Mongolian to
Viking--specificly Danish.  We have been doing research on appropriate
construction--necklines, etc.  Everything we have found always seems
to imply long sleeves, although we often see people wearing the short-
sleeved T-tunics.  He wants to know if short-sleeves are accurate for
a 10th century Danish Viking.  (He is kind of a stickler for period
accuracy.)
Thanks,
Marge

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Calliope" <akeen02037@...> wrote:

>
> What is a bog coat? It that funky shapeless thing a bog coat?
> Documentation? Ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Abigail
>

That pattern is from a garment found in Denmark.  It is from a woman's
grave dated to 1400 to 1200 BC. The original is in the Danish National
Museum in Copenhagen, and there is more information in "Costumes of
the Bronze Age in Denmark" by Broholm and Hald.

K.

Are you looking for stuff on actual Turkish style or the European
version of it?

Ashe'el

This is some of what I could find per later 16th century Sweden:

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:MargaretaLeijonhufvud.jpg
http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/womeninpower/fotos/Katharina-Vasa.jpg
http://wadbring.com/historia/sidor/marga.htm
http://tebordet.com/sv_kungar.html
http://wadbring.com/historia/bilder2/kstenbock.jpg


Ashe'el

Wonderful!  Get 'em young and train 'em right!  Congratulations on having a
smart kid who wants to do it right the first time. Now if I can only get mine to
do the same.....

   Jocasta -- who was horrified to see her not quite 10 year old running around
in jeans at Bar Gemels.  (After I had just made him the coolest red striped
pants for his Moroccan persona.  I made him go change.)

Marge <jorie6568@...> wrote:
   My son (12) is thinking of changing his persona from Mongolian to
Viking--specificly Danish.  We have been doing research on appropriate
construction--necklines, etc.  Everything we have found always seems
to imply long sleeves, although we often see people wearing the short-
sleeved T-tunics.  He wants to know if short-sleeves are accurate for
a 10th century Danish Viking.  (He is kind of a stickler for period
accuracy.)
Thanks,
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HI Hrothny,

sorry my site has moved to geocities a while back.
http://www.geocities.com/oonaghsown/

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Terri Morgan" <online2much@...>
wrote:
>
> Help!
> I'm looking for the original painting that Mistress Oonagh's
Turkish coat
> for Venetian ladies was based on.

The first page of my venetian/turkish cote is this one.
http://www.geocities.com/oonaghsown/turkish_coat_for_venice.htm

All I can remember is that it was from two
> portraits of a woman who was a Greek-island ruler (duchess?
Princess?) and
> was 16th-century. Googling "Greek Princess" gives me lots of
interesting
> pictures but none of them useful for my search and Oonagh's website
appears
> to be down.
>

Documentation for the coat is here
http://www.geocities.com/oonaghsown/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress_do
co.htm  This doucmentation is for the venetian interpretation of the
turkish cote or anteri.  You will find venetian images along with
photos of extant turkish garments and textiles and, turkish images of
women wearing this style of dress.

> I could have sworn that I had the paintings bookmarked. Does anyone
have a
> working link for them?
> I promised a garb workshop to make some and now... epp!!

Well if you are going to runa workshop then you need this link, my
dress diary.
http://www.geocities.com/oonaghsown/turkish_coat_for_venetian_dress.ht
m

good luck with your work shop, and have fun.

Cheers

Deb
(Oonagh)

Oonaghs Own
http://www.geocities.com/oonaghsown