Tow is also what is used to start a fire with flint and steel.


Would layers of wool sandwiched between the linen have been used?  Or
maybe between leather peices?

well its not really for a peroid its like an expermient  u no....and i think
this a bone bodice... i think well its one that you would wear on the outside...
well all i need to no is how do u make one or piece it together, what fabric i
should use..

otsisto <otsisto@...> wrote:  Thea,
Welcome! We need some more information so that we can help you.

What period or time frame are you recreating?

Can you describe what kind of bodice you are wanting to make as there are a
variety of different types of bodices?

A

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hey my name is thea and i am 14. im a young compainion of the Dukes
Leopards, i wqant to make my self a bodice and i dont know how to go
about it.. could listers recomend some on line patterns i could
download and can i ask for help if i need it.
many thanks thea xx




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Quoting Rebecca Egan <beccaberry@...>:

> While everyone is digging through their resources  on bodices I would
> humbly make a request.  If anyone has some  suggestions on where I
> would find some help and/or a pattern on making  a Italian/Venetian
> bodice for a dress?  Time period would be about  1500-1580 or so.
> Thank you for you time.
>

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~rowen/renbk/rendressbook.html

Jerusha
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--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "James Packer"
<ambrose_norwicham@y...> wrote:
>
> Tow is also what is used to start a fire with flint and steel.
>
>
> Would layers of wool sandwiched between the linen have been used?
Or
> maybe between leather peices?
>
No.  Wool is very elastic, and very compressable.
By law (in England), quilted/padded armor, such as gambesons, had to
be padded with either cotton or linen, those two fibers or fabrics
providing much greater protection against penetrating arrow heads.
Someone else posted earlier on this---the gentleman who first
mentioned the tow, I believe---and stated the number of layers of
linen cloth which were mandated as protection.
(Next time anyone fusses and thinks SCA fencers' protection standards
are too rigid---thank your lucky stars they're no more rigid than
they are!  But then, we're not using live steel there, are we?)

Yseult the Gentle

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Susan B. Farmer" <sfarmer@...>
> Quoting Rebecca Egan <beccaberry@...>:
>
> > While everyone is digging through their resources  on bodices I would
> > humbly make a request.  If anyone has some  suggestions on where I
> > would find some help and/or a pattern on making  a Italian/Venetian
> > bodice for a dress?  Time period would be about  1500-1580 or so.
> > Thank you for you time.
> >
>
> http://homepages.wmich.edu/~rowen/renbk/rendressbook.html
>
> Jerusha

Jerusha has given a link to an excellent earlier-period Italian style, but I
personally wouldn't use that methodology to cut a Venetian bodice; i also
disagree with their views on corsetry-- but again, that's just me.

I cut a Venetian bodice from the graphed layout in Janet Arnold's Patterns of
Fashion introduction, where she discusses the way Elizabeth I's Phoenix Gown
"French" bodice was laid out.  I discovered that mine, when laid out as one
piece with the back on the center grain, ended up with a perfectly proportioned
open V on the straight grain on the center front. My bodice pattern was drafted
out by adding a little ease to my corset pieces.

*shrug*

Interesting coinkydink, methinks.

ciorstan

Perhaps you could explain a little more on what your experiment is about?
Is the bodice more modern with boning in it? Or if Renaissance, the boning
would usually be in a corset or pair o' bodies (depending on the
region/area), then a gown or bodice would be worn over this.
This is for an Elizabethan bodice
http://costume.dm.net/kirtlepat/

A

-----Original Message-----
well its not really for a peroid its like an expermient  u no....and i think
this a bone bodice... i think well its one that you would wear on the
outside... well all i need to no is how do u make one or piece it together,
what fabric i should use..

its more mordern... its like a more modern thing to wear over cloths...

otsisto <otsisto@...> wrote:  Perhaps you could explain a little more on
what your experiment is about?
Is the bodice more modern with boning in it? Or if Renaissance, the boning
would usually be in a corset or pair o' bodies (depending on the
region/area), then a gown or bodice would be worn over this.
This is for an Elizabethan bodice
http://costume.dm.net/kirtlepat/

A

-----Original Message-----
well its not really for a peroid its like an expermient  u no....and i think
this a bone bodice... i think well its one that you would wear on the
outside... well all i need to no is how do u make one or piece it together,
what fabric i should use..





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yer and my dad made that websiste.. do u guys like it? yer its in jersey.. we
are part of the uk.. i  think

catfromtex <catfromtex@...> wrote:  The Duke's Leopards (out of New
Jersey, yes?) seem to be recreating
1450 to 1500.

c   (is this it?)

Thea - The first bodice I made was based on a pattern I created by
tracing another lady's bodice pieces on a piece of fabric (use
something cheap like unbleached muslin - usually about 99 cents a
yard - two or three yards should be more than enough). If possible,
find a lady that is about your size or a little larger and use her
bodice for the pattern. Make sure when tracing your pieces, you do
not make them too small (leave some room for seams). Also make sure
you do not mark up the lady's bodice (Yipes!)

When you get your fabric pattern cut out, you can pin the pieces
together and by moving the pins around, find a shape that is
comfortable for you to wear. Note - when doing the fitting, the pins
should be on the outside so you can get to them and not stab
yourself too much. Try and find a friend to help you with this. Do
not make the bodice too tight! You want to be able to (1) breathe,
(2) eat (3) move. Besides - you can always take a too big garment
up, but it's a real pain in the butt trying to make a too small
garment fit.

At this point, you would cut the pieces down wherever you have
excess (don't forget to leave those seam allowances, as well as an
allowance in the front for finishing the edge/putting lacing holes
in the bodice). I do not know how the ladies of your group handle
the lacing of their bodices (if they use grommet holes or hand
embroidery) so I would refer you to one of them on how to handle
this part of your bodice.

You now have a bodice pattern. You will need to cut two of each of
your pattern pieces (one for the outside of the bodice, one for the
bodice lining).

This Is Very Important: Please talk to the other ladies in your
group about how they made their bodices, preferred fabrics, colors,
and even undergarments. It will save you a world of time and effort
in the long run if you do this. Ladies who make their own garb LOVE
to talk about it, so please don't be shy about asking.

Also Important: You might want to make your first complete bodice
out of a less expensive fabric, just in case you don't like how it
turns out. Not liking your first attempt is pretty common - don't
get discouraged if that happens.

Good luck, and please let us know how it turns out.

- Aliyah Laroquette




--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "unclrashid" <unclrashid@y...>
wrote:
>
> I seem to recall that the Dukes Leopards are from a specific
period,
> but I don't recall what that period is.  Most of the people on
this
> list (those in the SCA) have the option of picking any period
between
> 600 and 1600.  So when you ask us a question, we need to know what
> period you are talking about because our range of choices is a
much
> larger spread.
>
> Rashid
>
>
>
> --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "punky_fish321"
<punky_fish321@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > hey my name is thea and i am 14. im a young compainion of the
Dukes
> > Leopards, i wqant to make my self a bodice and i dont know how
to go
> > about it.. could listers recomend some on line patterns i could
> > download and can i ask for help if i need it.
> >  many thanks thea xx
> >
>








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hey, im a newbie here asa well and i made a small chamiese ( i dnt no how to
spell it sorry) the under garment worn, and that was simple but there is a book
i can reccomen but i cnt remeber it.. .i will get back to u tomorrow with the
name. sorry if this has caused any problems....

    thea xx xx

Dwain Crackel <dcrackel@...> wrote:
   Hello,

I recently joined SCA, I wanted to ask advice in putting together garb
for a newbe. I can sew, even though I'm not excellent at it, but i'm
confident I could get something together from a pattern.

Looking for something easy to make, just to get started going to events.

I don't really have a persona yet, but I like the transitional period
for armour. So I was guess about the same say 1300-1400ish

What do you suggest for patterns, books or sites where I can learn more?

Sorry if this has been asked a number of times already.

Thank you,
Dwain
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I remember watching "the crusades" by terry jones of monty python fame. And
he was saying that felt was a used by crusaders as a padding. Any ideas?

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Quoting Gavin Jones <llywelyn_ap_gruffudd@...>:

>
> What is the SCA timeframe? I was under the impression that sca is mainly
> fnatsy based on history? Or have I been looking at the wrong sites?
>

This has probably been answered already (with probably many more replies
to come), but ...

When I first joined, mumbledy-mumble years ago (when there were only 4
kingdoms), the Quick Answer (tm) was "from the fall of the Roman Empire
to the end of Queen Elizabeth's reign.  If you are really interested in
the fantasy aspect, then a group like AmtGard might be more your cup of
tea.  But, before you dismiss the more historical nature of the SCA,
please stay around and give us a try!

The correct answer to your question about the Official SCA Timeframe
(per the governing documents -- http://www.sca.org/docs/govdocs.pdf) is
pre-17th century Europe.

First 3 paragraphs
=====
The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. (SCA, Society) is a nonprofit
educational organization devoted to study of the Middle Ages and
Renaissance. Most of its activities take place in the context of a
social structure adapted from the forms of the European Middle Ages,
which allows participants to take a first-hand look at various aspects
of the life, culture and technology of the times under study.

As a living history group, the Society provides an environment in which
members can recreate various aspects of the culture and technology of
the period, as well as doing more traditional historical research. We
sponsor events such as tournaments and feasts where members dress in
clothing styles worn in the Middle Ages and Renaissance, and
participate in activities based on the civil and martial skills of the
period. These activities recreate aspects of the life and culture of
the landed nobility in Europe prior to 1600 CE. The dress, pastimes,
and above all the chivalric ideals of the period serve to unify our
events and activities.

For Society members, most of the world, and all of the centuries prior
to the 17th, can serve as a source for personal research. However, the
further you go from the core of Medieval and Renaissance Europe, the
less the environment we offer will resemble what someone of your time
and country would find natural or homelike. For example, you can be an
Asian or African guest at a European court, but you cannot expect
others to share your special interests - like any longterm visitor in a
foreign land, you are the one who will have to adapt to the customs you
find around you. Since members have free choice of what areas they will
explore, it follows that Society branches cannot decide to specialize in
a specific time and place, since that would make it hard for members
there to pursue their own interests in other times and places.
=====

Jerusha
-----
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sfarmer@...
University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/

sorry, should have changed the subject line ....

Quoting "Susan B. Farmer" <sfarmer@...>:

> Quoting Gavin Jones <llywelyn_ap_gruffudd@...>:
>
>>
>> What is the SCA timeframe? I was under the impression that sca is mainly
>> fnatsy based on history? Or have I been looking at the wrong sites?
>>
>
> This has probably been answered already (with probably many more replies
> to come), but ...
>
> When I first joined, mumbledy-mumble years ago (when there were only 4
> kingdoms), the Quick Answer (tm) was "from the fall of the Roman Empire
> to the end of Queen Elizabeth's reign.  If you are really interested in
> the fantasy aspect, then a group like AmtGard might be more your cup of
> tea.  But, before you dismiss the more historical nature of the SCA,
> please stay around and give us a try!
>
> The correct answer to your question about the Official SCA Timeframe
> (per the governing documents -- http://www.sca.org/docs/govdocs.pdf) is
> pre-17th century Europe.
>
> First 3 paragraphs
> =====
> The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. (SCA, Society) is a nonprofit
> educational organization devoted to study of the Middle Ages and
> Renaissance. Most of its activities take place in the context of a
> social structure adapted from the forms of the European Middle Ages,
> which allows participants to take a first-hand look at various aspects
> of the life, culture and technology of the times under study.
>
> As a living history group, the Society provides an environment in which
> members can recreate various aspects of the culture and technology of
> the period, as well as doing more traditional historical research. We
> sponsor events such as tournaments and feasts where members dress in
> clothing styles worn in the Middle Ages and Renaissance, and
> participate in activities based on the civil and martial skills of the
> period. These activities recreate aspects of the life and culture of
> the landed nobility in Europe prior to 1600 CE. The dress, pastimes,
> and above all the chivalric ideals of the period serve to unify our
> events and activities.
>
> For Society members, most of the world, and all of the centuries prior
> to the 17th, can serve as a source for personal research. However, the
> further you go from the core of Medieval and Renaissance Europe, the
> less the environment we offer will resemble what someone of your time
> and country would find natural or homelike. For example, you can be an
> Asian or African guest at a European court, but you cannot expect
> others to share your special interests - like any longterm visitor in a
> foreign land, you are the one who will have to adapt to the customs you
> find around you. Since members have free choice of what areas they will
> explore, it follows that Society branches cannot decide to specialize in
> a specific time and place, since that would make it hard for members
> there to pursue their own interests in other times and places.
> =====
>

Jerusha
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sfarmer@...
University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/

Hi, and thanks for such a well put answer!
A little about me, I am a 29 year old Welshman from North West Wales, i re
enact the period of 1272 - 1307. Edward Plantagenet, I dress in a red (
faded ) linen tunic, woollen under shirt and simple cloak or 'brychan', I do
not wear any leggings or hose as Welsh spearmen were never seen to wear any,
and I fight in the most minimal of armour as our group allows ( gambeson,
gamboised coif and riveted maille coif, with sheepsking padded gloves with
leather gauntlets).

We do cover to the end of the Wars of the Roses, but this is mainly due to
personal and not group interests, due to our timeframe as 'The Knights of
Longshanks'.

I am striving to get my personal kit more and more authentic or realistic,
ie cow horn comb, fire striker and flint with charred linen or 'fat wood' in
my tinder kit. As I am also the society authenticity advisor I feel the best
way is to lead by example, and if I can show how easy and un daunting hand
sewing and other manufacture is, then maybe others will follow? I know I'm
not always going to get it right, as sources are always re appearing or
obscure references found, but that is what keeps us striving for the right
look and context for equipment.

I guess, as we British have all the venues and a lot of primary sources in
our combined Isle, that we get a little 'snotty' about other people
portraying history? Its a shame, but I'm afraid that may be society? I
suppose its because of this that we have preconceived ideas of the 'SCA'?
Maybe along the lines of comparing you guys with LARP players? :-/ I've been
re enacting for ten years this July, and it has only been in the last two
years that I have managed to get my own costume and kit up to my own spec!
lol
I hope I havn't come over as such a moron as I may have by asking daft
questions or making statements?
I look forward to your reply
Regards Gav

AKA
Rhys Hir Goch ap Keith ap Morris ap Huw ap Ioan

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Quoting Gavin Jones <llywelyn_ap_gruffudd@...>:


>
> I guess, as we British have all the venues and a lot of primary sources in
> our combined Isle, that we get a little 'snotty' about other people
> portraying history? Its a shame, but I'm afraid that may be society? I
> suppose its because of this that we have preconceived ideas of the 'SCA'?
> Maybe along the lines of comparing you guys with LARP players? :-/ I've been
> re enacting for ten years this July, and it has only been in the last two
> years that I have managed to get my own costume and kit up to my own spec!
> lol
> I hope I havn't come over as such a moron as I may have by asking daft
> questions or making statements?
> I look forward to your reply

Oh, heavens no.  You don't learn if you don't ask questions.  And now
that you know, you can educate *them*  (you know, Those Guys over
There?)  :-)

Jerusha
-----
Susan Farmer
sfarmer@...
University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/

Gavin Jones wrote:

>
> I'll have a trawl thru my library and get back to you on my sources. This
> may take a while! lol ;-)

Sumptuary laws from the time of Elizabeth address similar issues -
certain ranks and above could wear vair, but not leopard, that sort of
thing, and where on their clothing they could put it (i.e. not a whole
lined cloak, but okay for trim), and certain fabrics, but never, that
I've come across in my readings, restricted the use of purple or blue.
EXCEPT in silk - purple silk was supposed to be restricted, a bit:

     "...Any silk of the color of purple, cloth of gold tissued, nor fur
     of sables, but only the King, Queen, King's mother, children,
     brethren, and sisters, uncles and aunts; and except dukes,
     marquises, and earls, who may wear the same in doublets, jerkins,
     linings of cloaks, gowns, and hose; and those of the Garter, purple
     in mantles only.

     Cloth of gold, silver, tinseled satin, silk, or cloth mixed or
     embroidered with any gold or silver: except all degrees above
     viscounts, and viscounts, barons, and other persons of like degree,
     in doublets, jerkins, linings of cloaks, gowns, and hose...." from
     /Enforcing Statutes of Apparel, issued at Greenwich, 15 June 1574,
     16 Elizabeth I/, as located at
     http://renaissance.dm.net/sumptuary/who-wears-what.html

However, it wasn't an "only the queen/ruler" sort of thing. For SCA
purposes, the above can be read that all Royalty (barring Principality
royalty) and Royal Peers (and those who serve them, wearing livery) can
wear purple silk. By extension of SCA rank equality, it stands to reason
that all Peers can wear anything they like within SCA regalia
restrictions - however some may see it a bit differently, as there are
Kingdoms whose traditions maintain that Royal Peers are slightly higher
than others. ;) Viscounts/esses (former principality rulers and
consorts) and barons can wear cloth of gold/silver.

However, note that in the SCA, not a bit of all of this is formally or
by tradition limited - unless by chance your area's tradition limits it.
This excerpt also seems to read that *all* silks were restricted to
barons and above, but that's not the case. Reading further in this
proclamation makes that clear.

Also of note is the continuing despair of issuing monarchs that their
people don't follow such laws, which weren't repealed until the time of
James I. History seems to back up that they were observed more in their
lack of observation by the people. Oh the fines were levied - but the
fines were paid, and the people kept on wearing the same item that had
got them fined.

Now, if you're in a Ren Faire, it may be restricted for non-royals
actors - but that's purely a theatrical method to clearly point out who
the stars of the show are.

Margaret Northwode

Ciorstan wrote:

> Robyn wrote:
> > I'm in the planning stages of putting together my first Elizabethan
> dress (starting with the Simplicity "Shakespeare in Love" and altering
> to make it more period), and I'm having a tough time choosing my
> colours.  Almost all of the historical images I've seen show similar
> dresses as being dark brown or black--does anyone have documentation
> of them existing in other colours?
> >
> >   Also, does anyone have any advice to make this project go
> smoother?  I've been sewing for years now, but never anything of this
> magnitude.
> >
> >   Rebeca de la Mare
>
>
> There is a popular misconception that purple was reserved for royalty
> and black for nobility. That is a historical falsehood-- it's a
> theatrical restriction imposed on the players at American Renaissance
> Faires in order to make the Queen stand out in a crowd of nobles.<snip>

Actually, yes and no. See the post I just made upthread.

My biggest beef with this post/thread is really just the use of the
pattern. It was the first Elizabethan pattern I bought, too, when all I
knew of pattern companies was the Big Three (Simplicty, McCalls, and
Butterick, or occasionally Vogue) - it was the first 'Bethan that looked
darn near right. I've used it, Rebeca, and was only ever pleased with
the bum roll, having replaced the hip yoke and all that velcro with
bias-tape ties (go with twill tape, instead), and the skirts. And I
never use the skirts, anymore, since I chose the wrong fabrics for the
skirt and forepart. I've used the bum roll almost to death, though, and
it's almost time to make a new one. The bodice, while pretty, still
comes out all wrong for the era (would you believe 3-4" of ease? - on
EACH SIDE?), and is meant to use wearing a modern bra while still having
an internal sort of corset that is further rendered pointless with that
ease, besides the fact that you're already wearing a support garment in
the bra.  There are *much* better patterns out there that you'll use
over and over and over - and they have listservs full of helpful people
with knowledge to help you out if you get stuck/have questions. And they
result in the Right Thing as we now know it to be. I'm only one of a few
hundred rabid fans.

Rebeca, I want to make it clear that I'm NOT criticizing your taste - it
is a very lovely gown that they picture on the envelope, after all. I'm
just *really* not fond of Simplicity's rendering - the end product is
something that's an unnecessary PITA to make and wear when compared with
the ease of wearing a garment that was done right to begin with.

If you'd like, I can get you a list of the alterations that I recall
that you need to make to this pattern make it have a more period
silhouette and better function. Or I can save you the time and point you
to the other patterns I've mentioned, which have clearer directions on
punched 8.5 x 11 paper that you can put in a binder and easily read. Let
me know!

Hopefully helpful,
Margaret Northwode

Hello,

I recently joined SCA, I wanted to ask advice in putting together
garb for a newbe. I can sew, even though I'm not excellent at it,
but i'm confident I could get something together from a pattern.
(and would prefer to make than buy, just becuase I think it's cool)

Looking for something easy to make, just to get started going to
events.

I don't really have a persona yet, but I like the transitional period
for armour. So I was guess about the same say 1300-1400ish

What do you suggest for patterns, books or sites where I can learn
more?

Sorry if this has been asked a number of times already.

Thank you,
Dwain
dcrackel@...

im not sure i thik u have been looking in all the worng places lol...... im not
sure of the time frame either...sorry hun i cnt help u
Gavin Jones <llywelyn_ap_gruffudd@...> wrote:
What is the SCA timeframe? I was under the impression that sca is mainly
fnatsy based on history? Or have I been looking at the wrong sites?

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The SCA is based roughly between 600AD/CE to 1600.  Different people may give
slightly different dates.  There was a time when fantasy was more accepted but
we try to base on historical fact now.  Some people just do the fantasy thing
anyway, I say let them this is all in good fun, right?

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What is the SCA timeframe? I was under the impression that sca is mainly
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--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Gavin Jones"
<llywelyn_ap_gruffudd@h...> wrote:
>
>
> What is the SCA timeframe? I was under the impression that sca is
mainly
> fnatsy based on history? Or have I been looking at the wrong sites?
>

WARNING, this is long, I ramble, lol. The answer to your question is
in the first sentence mostly though.

It is Pree 1600, some put the start date at 1000 and some as early
as 600.  You will hear the phrase "recreating the middale ages and
renessance as they should have been", and I don't believe this means
fantasy, it sorta refers to the lack of plague and death and all
sorts of horrible things that happened then that we don't do.

At sca events, there is no 'garb check', meaning that if your garb
isn't hand spun, died, sewn and an exact replica of an extant
garment, you're stil welcome. ;)
actually, as far as garb goes, you only need make your best attempt
at historical garb that is Pre 1600.  We will not kick you out if
your attempt isn't historicaly accuarte.  Everyone has their own
levels of authenticity.  That is what causes the impression that the
SCA is not interested in authenticity and no one in it does anything
historical (not what you were saying, but there are some people
round here that think that, but I've seen what they do, so they have
no room to talk :) )

Basically, sca is not the place for fairies and vampires and that. I
know there are some renfairs in America that do those sort of
things, but there really isn't the place for much of that in the
sca.  Though, if you do dress like that, as your attempt, then, no
one will kick you out I suppose...

I would suggest you may have been looking at the wrong sites.
Try having a look at these.  The first is a link to a SCA lady who
made a tunic... starting with the sheep, the second is the
elizabethan costumin page, which is right at the other end of the
time period.  The third is a great place for links on clostuming in
the sca. Just a few of the many links on Clothing I have in my
favourites

http://home.insight.rr.com/cains/documentation/
http://costume.dm.net/index.html
http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?
action=displaycat&catid=10

Have you looked at the pattern companies sites? Perhaps you could find a
pattern/design that you are thinking of that you could show us.
Simplicity
http://www.simplicity.com/

Butterick
http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi

McCall's
http://www.mccallpattern.com/index.htm

Vogue
http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi

Burda
http://www.burdamode.com/burda_World_of_Fashion,1000017-1270777-1000019,enEN
.html

There are companies that have patterns for 19th century on back.

A

-----Original Message-----
its more mordern... its like a more modern thing to wear over cloths...

otsisto <otsisto@...> wrote:  Perhaps you could explain a little more
on what your experiment is about?
Is the bodice more modern with boning in it? Or if Renaissance, the boning
would usually be in a corset or pair o' bodies (depending on the
region/area), then a gown or bodice would be worn over this.
This is for an Elizabethan bodice
http://costume.dm.net/kirtlepat/

A

-----Original Message-----
well its not really for a peroid its like an expermient  u no....and i think
this a bone bodice... i think well its one that you would wear on the
outside... well all i need to no is how do u make one or piece it together,
what fabric i should use..





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http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html
This might help. If not let us know or if you have questions.
Also, I recommend browsing the site as you will find this
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/15thcshirt.html

A

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Hello,
I recently joined SCA, I wanted to ask advice in putting together garb
for a newbe. I can sew, even though I'm not excellent at it, but i'm
confident I could get something together from a pattern.
Looking for something easy to make, just to get started going to events.
I don't really have a persona yet, but I like the transitional period
for armour. So I was guess about the same say 1300-1400ish
What do you suggest for patterns, books or sites where I can learn more?
Sorry if this has been asked a number of times already.

Thank you,
Dwain
dcrackel@...

Umm, No, I don't have those.  Better try sending pics one by one...

It was indeed frightening.  For some reason, lots of the girls thought
they needed to hold both the bow, and the arrow so they pointed to
their left (AT ME!) when they reloaded.  Apparently "Keep your elbow
straight, and don't point these things at anyone" is hard for some
kids to understand.

I have posted some pics of my first attempts at my armour
padding, I have found many areas to improve.  Comments welcomed.

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Garb/photos/browse/c66f

In service to God and king,
Ambrose Norwich

Much like you we strive to better our own "kits".  We want primary
sources too.  So share!  lol

Gassion

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Gavin Jones"
<llywelyn_ap_gruffudd@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, and thanks for such a well put answer!
> A little about me, I am a 29 year old Welshman from North West
Wales, i re
> enact the period of 1272 - 1307. Edward Plantagenet, I dress in a
red (
> faded ) linen tunic, woollen under shirt and simple cloak
or 'brychan', I do
> not wear any leggings or hose as Welsh spearmen were never seen to
wear any,
> and I fight in the most minimal of armour as our group allows (
gambeson,
> gamboised coif and riveted maille coif, with sheepsking padded
gloves with
> leather gauntlets).
>
> We do cover to the end of the Wars of the Roses, but this is
mainly due to
> personal and not group interests, due to our timeframe as 'The
Knights of
> Longshanks'.
>
> I am striving to get my personal kit more and more authentic or
realistic,
> ie cow horn comb, fire striker and flint with charred linen
or 'fat wood' in
> my tinder kit. As I am also the society authenticity advisor I
feel the best
> way is to lead by example, and if I can show how easy and un
daunting hand
> sewing and other manufacture is, then maybe others will follow? I
know I'm
> not always going to get it right, as sources are always re
appearing or
> obscure references found, but that is what keeps us striving for
the right
> look and context for equipment.
>
> I guess, as we British have all the venues and a lot of primary
sources in
> our combined Isle, that we get a little 'snotty' about other
people
> portraying history? Its a shame, but I'm afraid that may be
society? I
> suppose its because of this that we have preconceived ideas of
the 'SCA'?
> Maybe along the lines of comparing you guys with LARP players? :-/
I've been
> re enacting for ten years this July, and it has only been in the
last two
> years that I have managed to get my own costume and kit up to my
own spec!
> lol
> I hope I havn't come over as such a moron as I may have by asking
daft
> questions or making statements?
> I look forward to your reply
> Regards Gav
>
> AKA
> Rhys Hir Goch ap Keith ap Morris ap Huw ap Ioan
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What sites have you been looking at?
Have you been to this site?
http://www.sca.org/newcomers.html

The Society for Creative Anachronism's time frame is roughly the fall of the
roman empire to Dec. 31st, 1600 (to the end of the 16th century)
Please could you clarify what you mean as fantasy based on history. Perhaps
give an example?
It sounds as if you think we are a LARP group.

A

-----Original Message-----
What is the SCA timeframe? I was under the impression that sca is mainly
fnatsy based on history? Or have I been looking at the wrong sites?

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "borderlands15213"
<borderlands15213@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "James Packer"
> <ambrose_norwicham@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Tow is also what is used to start a fire with flint and steel.
> >
> >
> > Would layers of wool sandwiched between the linen have been
used?
> Or
> > maybe between leather peices?
> >
> No.  Wool is very elastic, and very compressable.
> By law (in England), quilted/padded armor, such as gambesons, had
to
> be padded with either cotton or linen, those two fibers or fabrics
> providing much greater protection against penetrating arrow heads.

I think this is rather a generalisation. The English law mentioned
is, IIRC, more of a military direction relating to the quality of the
arming cotes provided for a certain campaign, not a law for all
gambesons, jacks, arming cotes etc for all time. That particular one,
again IIRC, specified about 30 layers of linen, possibly tarred, or
some other quantity when leather was included. These cotes were, I
think, to provide protection to soldiers _not wearing plate_.
The coat armour of Charles VI of France, in Chartres cathedral, is
quilted with wool, between linen and covered with silk. The armour
over the top stops cuts and stabs, and the coat gives cushioning
against blows and the metal armour.

Try this website for a brief overview:
http://www.kateryndedevelyn.org/qultmilt.htm

HTH,
Rebecca

Omigoddess!  Thanks a million for that link!  *Drooling over  gallery...*

--Gillian Tedcastle


In a message dated 1/30/2006 5:32:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com writes:

If I had to guess, I'd say that the book  that you wan't hasn't been
printed yet.  It's called The Tudor  Tailor
http://www.tudortailor.com/
and if you order before the 31st, you  get not only an autographed copy
but free shipping.  (Comes out to  $36.36 USD -- at least that's what
the price was today.)  From folks who  have seen the gallies, it's
supposed to be *better* than Janet  Arnold.

The lady who's doing the book, Ninya Mikhaila, also has a web  site
http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/sixteenth.html
is the appropriate part  of her web site.

If you want web sites, then Drea Leeds is probably the  place for you  to
go
http://www.costume.dm.net/

Jerusha
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