>bet it is stretchy material as well
>
>
> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/48318832

However, I think that the dress in itself is quite alright, for mundane
usage.

/Louise

Commercial patterns are made "true size" you have to measure yourself. What
is an 18 off the rack is NOT an 18 in a pattern.
Just for the record I have NEVER made a muslin and have never needed to.


At 02:54 PM 5/31/01 +0000, you wrote:
>I find it a waste of time to believe the pattern back!  Especially
>Simplicity ... (where do they come up with these sizes, anyway?  Aren't
>Americans fat enough already?)
>
>I always find that commercial patterns are too short, as well.  That
>makes for an interesting looking bodice :-)
>
>Isabetta
>:::who swears by muslins!:::
>
>
>--- In SCA-Garb@y..., Muirgheal ui Ogain <Muirgheal@e...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >  Now compare those measurements to the pattern envelope back.  Match
> > closest
> > >  size. No, do NOT think you're done.  Pattern back info LIES!
> > >
> > Jeanne This is SOOOO true and excellent advice for new sewers. I have my
> > entire life been an 8-10 dress size. According to Simplicity I am an 18. So
> > that says something about their sizing. But on the other hand, I make
> > everything according to the pattern size expecting it to turn out big so I
> > can take it in to suit. That way if I ever do gain weight or need to
> loan it
> > to someone a size bigger than I am I can let it out.Thats a trick I learned
> > working at a costume studio for 2 years. We made everything huge and
> took it
> > in. I have seen soo many people make things to fit and have entire
> wardrobes
> > full of clothing they only wore a few times then out grew. They didnt leave
> > any give room in the garb. So anyway my point is YES! The back of the
> > pattern lies and measure your pattern so you know what you are doing but
> > making a size big is not necissarily a bad idea.
> >
> >
> > Muirgheal
> > who thanks to McCalls has almost 4 inches of growth room in her tudor
> > bodice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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That's especially funny coming from _you_, dear Bice.  (giggle)

That's also one of the unspoken requirements for being on this list.. (lack
of sanity)  LOLOL

:-)---Holly---<--<-@
(waving Hi at Moira across Tampa Bay)

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Bice the Notorious [mailto:jjohns19@...]



   YOUR sanity is STILL up for debate Moira!!

   At 11:41 PM 5/31/01 +0000, you wrote:
   > > Since Yahoo took over the list, I can't find anything in the
   >archive either.
   > >
   > >
   > > Tamara
   >Thank you both!!!  At least this proves I'm not TOTALLY crazy.;-)
   >Moira



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Lady on of of the middle eastern lists makes simple cholis from a t shirt.
Cut it off just above the belly button  (measure TWICE), turn up a casing,
and put elastic in it.   Seems to me to be easy, quick, and t shirts are
cheap  (esp. from thrift stores..    :)

Best way I know of to buy bras that fit is to go to a higher end clothing
store like Dillard's where they usually have someone trained to measure you
and get you the right fit.  Yeah, the bras cost more, but IMO it's worth it.
All the fitting help is totally free though.   I had to take my 16 yr old
daughter a couple of months ago to get her fitted.. the size we thought she
wore just wasn't doing it & neither were the Wal-Mart bras (other than
sports bras and she was getting tired of those.)  .  Now that we know what
size she really wears, (boy were we off)   it's been a lot easier to buy for
her.  BTW bra sizes are almost as bad as clothes in general for variances
from one manufacturer to another.

Hope the SCA dress turns out the way you want it.  I think that's sweet of
your DH to help fit you.   ;-)


:-)---Holly---<--<-@



   -----Original Message-----
   From: Lente [mailto:lente@...]


   Having just spent Wednseday evening trying on and buying bras *shudder*
   since both of my nursing bras bit the dust at Grand Outlandish. I am going
   to try to make something based on the Indian choli pattern from Folkwear
and
   from a princess seamed sheath dress pattern for SCA wear. Bless me people
   because I will need all the blessing I can get in this endeavor.  I know
my
   DH will have fun though, he gets to fit the tops to me.;')

   I will post about how this if going towards the end of the month. Got a
   birthday party top organize in the first part of the month.

   Kathws Rusa




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Things like being locked away in a room with no light coming in for hundreds
of years.. not being handled a lot...  Most paints (medieval and modern) do
have some sort of binding agent added to the paint mixture.   Some mordants
used to fix dyes in fabric are also caustic and would have contributed to a
fabric's early demise..  things like that..



:-)---Holly---<--<-@
not a manuscript expert but learning a few things here and there..


   -----Original Message-----
   From: Stella [mailto:hecaba@...]



     >I've heard the explanation for the Pink Ladies in Tres >Riches that
"the paint faded", but that just doesn't wash >for me - not when the pink
lady isright next to a red >lady, for instance.
     Laidain,
     Yeah, it is really weird and illogical.
     I wonder if someone who knows a bit more about illuminated manuscripts
can tell us why the colours are so briliant and havent faded? I would be
really interested.
     Stella



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Both, actually.   :-)  You can learn a lot lurking on the SCA Scribes list
too (g).



:-)---Holly---<--<-@



   -----Original Message-----
   From: Frank Thallas [mailto:hardcorps@...]


     I've read somewhere (no idea of the actual-ness) that pigments for
   manuscripts, etc, were pigmented with ground material like lapis.  What
the
   medium would be, and what material would be used for reds, pinks, etc, I
   have no idea, but it's an interesting subject!

   Liadain

   > I'm no illuminator either, but I do know that egg tempera colors are
   > brilliant and seldom fade. However, they're also very fragile, so I
   suspect
   > that's probably *not* what was used in period. Just another bit of
mostly
   > useless knowledge that's rattling around in my cobwebby brain... <g>
   >
   > Yn tsjinst,
   > Lady Grietje Crynes, Chatelaine, Shire of Rockwall





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That sounds utterly gorgeous!



:-)---Holly---<--<-@



   -----Original Message-----
   From: lisa [mailto:rex-nest@...]


   I am almost done with my greatest creation!  You might remember my
   discription about two weeks ago when I first started, it's a red rose
   pattern damask bodice and black overskirt with redwork in a lace pattern
   down either side of the split skirt and red underskirt.  My chemise is
white
   with blackwork trim like the Eleanor of Toledo portrait.  Here's my
   dilema...I usually use grommets because I like the durability and how easy
   they are to put in.  However since this gown is turning out so
beautifully,
   I think I'd rather do this one period so I can put it in the A&S
   competition.  SO, how should I do the laces in the back?  I have boning on
   either side in the back, at the underarms and at the front where it also
has
   ties sort of like Domenico Ghirlandaio's Portrait of Giovanna degli
Albizzi
   c. 1488, with rings which I've recessed under flaps in the front.  Should
I
   do rings in the back as well (on the underside)?  I don't want to punch
   holes through the gown!  But I want to be as period as possible.

   Also, on the sleeves, I've patterned them from Raphael's Portrait of
   Giovanna d'Aragona, 1518.  From the portrait I can't tell if there are
loops
   over the buttons so the sleeves could be left open, or if it's all sewed
   together.  I could sure use some input so I can finish this gown and post
   pictures!

   Warmest regards,
   Gabrielle




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Rotten egg solution, kept in the fridge and used when making paints from
scratch.  :)
Amazing what you learn on the scribes list (g)


:-)---Holly---<--<-@



   -----Original Message-----
   From: Frank Thallas [mailto:hardcorps@...]

     Cool info - thanks!  Now isn't "glair" another egg-based thing, or am I
   remembering some similar cooking terminology?

   Liadain

   > clearly not an issue of "fading" color in manuscripts and frescos
   > (nor in oil paints either!)  Actually "egg" tempera is extremely
   > durable when used in fresco technique (painted into wet plaster),
   > encaustic (painted into warm wax) over Gesso on panel painting and,
   > if properly applied with good quality glair, it will last for
   > centuries on parchment or velum.  The "fragile" tempera is usually a
   > result of improper application or poor quality materials.  The
   > brilliance of colour in many medieval manuscripts is due to the
   > pigments used, whether earth colours like umber or blues made from
   > finely ground lapis lazuli or greens from malachite.




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And when you take the coupon into Joann's, if they don't have any on the
rack, make them look in the cabinet for back stock!!!   Check all the
Joann's in your area - make them call around to the other stores to check
the inventory for you (it's called customer service and they're supposed to
do it if you ask, unless they're really busy or short staffed that day.)
THEN if they still don't have the ones you want, take yourself over to the
fabric cutting counter with coupon in hand and tell them you want to SPECIAL
ORDER a pair of Ginghers or whatever ones you want and that you want to use
your coupon.  A bonus to special ordering is that you only have to pay 50%
down of the total usually (ask first, the policy may have changed since I
worked there last year.)     Make sure they staple the coupon to the special
order sheet and that it is written on there that the coupon was for X
percent off (I really love doing this with the 50% off one item coupons, hee
hee hee.)  Make sure that the coupon says it can be used for scissors if you
do this - the fine print on those flyer coupons varies all the time.

Have fun!


:-)---Holly---<--<-@



   -----Original Message-----
   From: Lente [mailto:lente@...]



   Tip here for buying your good scissors..get on the mailing lists for your
   local Joann's or Hancock's (USA) and use that 50% coupon for the scissors,
   those $30 scissors will only cost $15, what a deal. In the mean time pick
up
   some Fiskars at Walmart for $10.

   Two years ago I finally bought my husband his own scissors so no more
   bitching about what he's doing to my scissors. Next on the scissor
   horizon...Leather shears.

   Kathws Rusa
   Wonderful summary of sewing tips BTW.

   Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:44 PM


   > > get good scissors (yes, they are expensive, but they are worth every
   > > dime

   > (btw - the spring ones were purchased to help me avoid muscle fatigue
when
   > cutting, and they helped a lot, a very very lot. I strongly recommend
them
   > for anyone with carpal-tunnel problems or tendonitis. They helped take
the
   > pain out of sewing.)


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Holly's first rule of pattern buying:  NEVER pay full price.    :)  Joanns
and Hancock fabrics both run sales on them regularly and even Wal-Mart
normally sells them for half off every day.  If you're outside the US, you
find a nice friend who is here (and we're all friends :-)  to go get you one
whenever it is on sale and mail it to you..

Of course, this only applies to the Big 3 pattern companies.. Simplicity,
McCalls, and Butterick/Vogue. My opinion on Folkwear:  buy it as soon as you
lay eyes on it and price be d*mned.    :)    I haven't seen the RHF or
Fantasy Fashions patterns in person, just on the web.. but I want 2 of each.
:)

What kills me is the people on Ebay selling Simplicity etc., patterns for
$9.95  that they probably paid $1  or $1.99 for at the last Joann's sale.
And people are crazy enough to buy them at that price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:-)---Holly---<--<-@
thinking PT Barnum was right and maybe she should sell patterns on eBay too
;-)


   -----Original Message-----
   From: ivinian@... [mailto:ivinian@...]

   Truly, the Simplicity sideless sounds like it's more trouble than
   it's worth -- that pattern costs like $10, and you have to go figure
   out side panels and all that.. As to the one you have, I think you
   could manage it okay if you're okay at drafting, but I'm no drafter
   yet -- I'd just get the RHF personally, and then have an underdress
   pattern too. But if money's a major issue, you might want to figure
   out what to do with the pattern you do have.

   Aoda



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HEY!! I took the online sanity test it was 73%!!

At 11:38 AM 6/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
>That's especially funny coming from _you_, dear Bice.  (giggle)
>
>That's also one of the unspoken requirements for being on this list.. (lack
>of sanity)  LOLOL
>
>:-)---Holly---<--<-@
>(waving Hi at Moira across Tampa Bay)
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Bice the Notorious [mailto:jjohns19@...]
>
>
>
>   YOUR sanity is STILL up for debate Moira!!
>
>   At 11:41 PM 5/31/01 +0000, you wrote:
>   > > Since Yahoo took over the list, I can't find anything in the
>   >archive either.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Tamara
>   >Thank you both!!!  At least this proves I'm not TOTALLY crazy.;-)
>   >Moira
>


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This partlet is not the tie under the arms type, it is a full shirt type
thing.  These are beautifully made and wear quite nicely.  I would think it
much better than those I've seen that tie under the arms since the ones I've
seen people wearing never stay where they're supposed to.  The girl who made
this, Heather (Chimera98), is a friend of mine from New York who is in
college for theatrical costuming.  I've heard horror stories from her of the
sewing techniques and shortcuts expected by the teachers/professors on
theatrical costumes.  She got a lousy grade onetime for making a gown period
because it took too long and no one really cared about period anyway.  I
remember telling her I should get all the SCA garb police after that
teacher!

Anyway, there's a picture on her "about me" page on ebay that shows the
partlet without anything over it.  It is about halfway down the webpage.  In
case you notice those really beautiful neck ruffs, her sister makes those
for neck and wrist and does a lot of custom ones.  Makes me wish I was into
Elizabethan instead of Italian!

http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/chimaera98/

Most of her gowns are made for Renaissance fair people and not SCA.  One of
my first gowns was from her and while it is not totally period, it's one of
the most beautiful gowns I have in my garb closet and not once has someone
come up to me and said, "Hey, that's not period, show me your
documentation!"  Which is probably a good thing for them.

Gabrielle la Roche
>
Message: 9
    Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:13:39 -0000
    From: ivinian@...
Subject: Re: ebay gowns

Yup. I'm still lusting over the partlet. Copied the picture. It
doesn't look that hard to make. Before I go figure out how to do it,
does it suck?

Aoda

> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1149350930
> >not bad!!
>
> I know someone who has that lace!!
> I wonder if it's the tie-under the arms type?
>
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1149355333
> >another not SO bad
>
>  I like the brown material, but could do without the
> fore-part and stomacher material.
>  I sent her an email asking what book she's using for
> reference, since there isn't a stomacher on the dress
> she's copying

Don't mess with me, I got a 64% on the b*tch test. LOLOL  I'm afraid to take
the sanity test, I think might score a negative #.     ;-)



:-)---Holly---<--<-@
yeah, sweet innocent little ol' me. Snicker.


   -----Original Message-----
   From: Bice the Notorious [mailto:jjohns19@...]


   HEY!! I took the online sanity test it was 73%!!

   At 11:38 AM 6/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
   >That's especially funny coming from _you_, dear Bice.  (giggle)
   >
   >That's also one of the unspoken requirements for being on this list..
(lack
   >of sanity)  LOLOL
   >
   >:-)---Holly---<--<-@
   >(waving Hi at Moira across Tampa Bay)
   >
   >   -----Original Message-----
   >   From: Bice the Notorious [mailto:jjohns19@...]
   >
   >   YOUR sanity is STILL up for debate Moira!!
   >
   >   At 11:41 PM 5/31/01 +0000, you wrote:
   >   > > Since Yahoo took over the list, I can't find anything in the
   >   >archive either.
   >   > >
   >   > >
   >   > > Tamara
   >   >Thank you both!!!  At least this proves I'm not TOTALLY crazy.;-)
   >   >Moira


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Oooohhh...Ex hubby used my pattern paper scissors as wire cutters AFTER
I told him they we $75 scissors and that they were for paper
only....at least the guy I took them to for sharpening was able to get
the two notches out of the blade.

Medbh

Colleen Archer
Designer/Owner
Wyng'd Lyon Creations
Custom Clothing, Costumes and More

(858) 566-4078
e-mail:  wyngdlyon@...
webpage: wyngdlyon.duckpond.org

How hard was it to get the notches out of your ex?
Sounds like grounds for a beatin'!!!
I now have 3 pairs of non-sewing scissors just so there are enough around.
Why can't men find anything?

Catherine of Duart
Cathi in Chilliwack BC
ICQ# 4227964

"Librarians are the secret masters of the universe. They control all the
information. Don't piss them off!" - Spider Robinson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Colleen Archer" <bear@...>
To: <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb] Things I've found people trying to use my "good"
scissors on:


> Oooohhh...Ex hubby used my pattern paper scissors as wire cutters AFTER
> I told him they we $75 scissors and that they were for paper
> only....at least the guy I took them to for sharpening was able to get
> the two notches out of the blade.
>
> Medbh

Finally got the book here at home. Did you just want a copy of the Greek and
Roman sections or the whole book? Sections are Aegean Costume, Ancient Greek
Costume, Ancient Roman Costume, Byzantine Costume and the Transition Period,
and the Vestments of the Eastern Orthodox Church and their Relation to Byz
Costume.

Let me know the sections and I will try to make the copy this weekend and
send it to you by Tuesday.

Kathws Rusa

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:35 AM


> No problem, we've been dating for two years now,
> so don't think I'm one to get anything promptly
> done. I haven't started the "favor" yet, and I'm
> toying now with the idea of writing an article on
> the process for our new on-line arts newsletter
> instead of teaching a class... Besides, it would
> be very bad form for me to harangue you when you
> are doing me such a favor! ;)
> D.

Notches or dents from the cast iron frying pan?

My new SO understands about the scissor issues and always askes for
scissors for a particular task. I've set aside all the orange handled
ones 'scept my pinking shears and my embroidery scissors for paper and
other uses.

Medbh

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Cathi wrote:

> How hard was it to get the notches out of your ex?
> Sounds like grounds for a beatin'!!!
> I now have 3 pairs of non-sewing scissors just so there are enough around.
> Why can't men find anything?
>
> Catherine of Duart
> Cathi in Chilliwack BC
> ICQ# 4227964
>
> "Librarians are the secret masters of the universe. They control all the
> information. Don't piss them off!" - Spider Robinson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colleen Archer" <bear@...>
> To: <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb] Things I've found people trying to use my "good"
> scissors on:
>
>
> > Oooohhh...Ex hubby used my pattern paper scissors as wire cutters AFTER
> > I told him they we $75 scissors and that they were for paper
> > only....at least the guy I took them to for sharpening was able to get
> > the two notches out of the blade.
> >
> > Medbh
>
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On Fri, 01 June 2001, "Jeanne Harney" wrote:

(At least he
> didn't cut anyone's hair with pinking shears, like my mom did to the
> neighbor kid once when his bangs were in his eyes...)
>
> Jeanne
>
Hey that's nothing. When I was about 2, my 5 year old brother gave me a hair cut
with LAWN SHEARS (those things that are spring loaded that you squeese the
handle down and the blades move horizontally). Then he stuck the hair in the
furnace duct and acted like he didn't know what my mom was talking about when he
got in trouble.

On the topic of scissors, I have the supreme misfortune of being left handed.
Each brand of scissors seems to make exactly one kind of left handed scissors
and dozens of kinds of right handed scissors. The choice seems to be between $20
and $80, nothing in between. One of these days I'll give up and shell out for
the expensive scissors.

Cheers,
Megge

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At 11:12 AM 6/1/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Things I have found people attempting to use my Ginghers on:


My "good" sewing scissors have a small piece of trim looped thru the handle
and sewn on.  Everyone in the house knows not to touch those.  No need to
change the rules if I buy a new pair, just sew on a bit of trim.

Ranvaig.

Hi all,

Got a new question. A while back I made my 2 year old a two colored tunic,
and now it fits her to mid-calf but still big everywhere else and I would
like to lengthen it with the leftover material in a quatered style. I think
I have enough of the material left to have it look alright lengthened to
ankle length, but would it look really stupid being quartered and not
visually the same length in the bottom sections to the longer top sections?

What I was remembering is that parti-coloring was done with each side of a
cotehardie (what I remember having this done to) but was it ever done as
quartered colors, in otherwords is there any pictorial evidence that the
cotehardie would be quartered at the waist/hip area?

Thanks all,
Kathws Rusa

--- In SCA-Garb@y..., "ks" <soleil_verte@h...> wrote:
> I've just finished a gold pattern on white cotehardie -

Cool, I'll bet you look smashing.

Scotchgard came back on the market Jan 2001 with a new formulation.
When one forgets Scotchgard prior to an uneventful mud bath, Oxyclean
does help get the dirt out quickly, even Pennsic mud. (Orange Glo
products, also available at Walgreens and Bed Bath and Beyond.)

I love this list, mostly. It is the single highest-volume list I subscribe to
and read every message. However, I have been getting more and more distressed
recently over what I have been reading and I am very seriously considering
unsubscribing.

It shocks me to no end to see list members whose opinions I generally respect
going out of their way to search out 'bad garb' on eBay (etc) and then playing a
game to see who can come up with the snarkiest comment. I understand that we
don't want to see garb like that at events, but I thought the purpose of this
list was to encourage people to create better items, not to see how harsh we can
be. I don't want to be one to lecture on chivalry and ettiquite, but I don't
want to be part of a list that is so harshly critical.

I see that I have two choices:
a) Automatically filter anything with ebay in the subject into the trash bin
b) Unsubscribe and help revive the list.uvm.edu list (which is mostly very quiet
these days).

I am very close to taking choice B. Am I the only one out there feeling like
this?

Megge
NOT a snarker!

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> a) Automatically filter anything with ebay in the subject into the trash bin

This is what I have been doing, albeit manually.

--
Cynthia du Pré Argent (Hartshorn-dale, East)

One man's fish is another man's _poisson._  -- Fozzie Bear

The purpose for a lot of us isn't to snark. It's to relive the tension of a
hobby that can be VERY high stress. We need to laugh and we need to have
fun. It's also a way of informing what is NOT period. Acceptability is
one's personal concern. Alot of need the laugh of the medieval prom gown.
And sometimes what someone's says may keep a newbie from making the same
mistake that other person did. I'm sorry you feel this way because3 for
most of us it's all in fun and in the name of relief from tension.
Besides.....it's this or man bash. Besides I did go and find ones that were
acceptable.


At 12:28 PM 6/1/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I love this list, mostly. It is the single highest-volume list I subscribe
>to and read every message. However, I have been getting more and more
>distressed recently over what I have been reading and I am very seriously
>considering unsubscribing.
>
>It shocks me to no end to see list members whose opinions I generally
>respect going out of their way to search out 'bad garb' on eBay (etc) and
>then playing a game to see who can come up with the snarkiest comment. I
>understand that we don't want to see garb like that at events, but I
>thought the purpose of this list was to encourage people to create better
>items, not to see how harsh we can be. I don't want to be one to lecture
>on chivalry and ettiquite, but I don't want to be part of a list that is
>so harshly critical.
>
>I see that I have two choices:
>a) Automatically filter anything with ebay in the subject into the trash bin
>b) Unsubscribe and help revive the list.uvm.edu list (which is mostly very
>quiet these days).
>
>I am very close to taking choice B. Am I the only one out there feeling
>like this?
>
>Megge
>NOT a snarker!
>
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There were Evil Scissors in my house growing up - they were the ones my
Dad cut tar paper for the roof with while Mom was out shopping. <GGGGGGGGGG>
Every time Mom saw 'em, the Evil Spirits would cause her to cuss.....

Liadain

> Someone a few years back on one of the garb lists, posted the following
> (paraphrased from memory)
>
> My mother always spoke of the "good scissors."  It caused me to wonder,
> if in the dark recesses of the house, there lurked the Evil Scissors.
>
> --
> Cynthia du Pré Argent (Hartshorn-dale, East)
>  "Such virtue hath my pen...."  -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81
>        "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!"  --Cynthia V.
>

Eeeeeeeeww.  I knew there was some reason besides my shaky hands that I
don't do "scribe". <GGGGGGGGGGGG>

Liadain,
who keeps only inadvertant rotten eggs

> Rotten egg solution, kept in the fridge and used when making paints from
> scratch.  :)
> Amazing what you learn on the scribes list (g)
>
>
> :-)---Holly---<--<-@

I don't think I've ever seen a hood (french or gabled) with a white veil -
the most common are black, or none.  I believe I have seen a few pics with
colored "bag" thingies, though ( as mentioned in another post) - I think if
you go with the "traditional" black velvet, or with fabric to match your
gown, either will look smashing.

Liadain

> Well Ladies, save the lacings up the back my Tudor is done. We put it on
me
> yesterday afternoon and hemed it (which is kinda scary considering we dont
> have the underskirt yet) I also started and nearly finished the french
hood
> (Anne style Ever since I was a little girl Ive had a thing for Anne Boleyn
> so whole out fit is livng out a fantasy:)) I used the pattern from Dreas
> site while paying close attention to Lynn McMasters site. Buckram and wire
> covered in the same green fabric, and pearled all along the edges. I
bought
> some pretty buttons, gold filigry tear droped shape with little tear
shaped
> pearls in the center. I put 3 pointing up onthe hood and one pointing down
> in the center front neckline of the bodice which is also pearled.
> My question is, other than Lynn McMaster has anyone seen a colored veile
> with one of these? I know I can wear a hood with out a veil but being a
> married lady I would prefer a veil. Should it be black or white?? Or
> colored?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Muirgheal

Probably not a lot from the "tunic" age - maybe this is due to the
difficulty (then) of keeping white clean, or maybe because the scribes
drawing all those illuminations knew colors would show up better? <G>
     I'd say go for it, and decorate it prettily.  If you were a high-class
person, you'd have a laundress whose problem it would be to keep that white
tunic white.....<GGGGGG>
     Or, if you decide to go later-period, lots of lovely white/pale fabrics
to be found there - if not the whole gown, then bits like foreparts,
sleeves, and partlets...

Liadain

> I just bought 4 yards of white-on-white damask 85/15 cotton/linen from
> Pheonix.  I am planning on making a tunic out of it, but the question of
> course is, does any documentation exist for white non undergarment
> tunics?  This is too beautiful to hide away under another tunic.  I'd dye
> it, but I don't have the space/resources - a tiny kitchen & no pot big
> enough, and a shared washer - don't think the other people in the building
> would appreciate a blue or green machine.  References to pics are
> appreciated!
>
> Alianor the drooling and impatient...
>
> Sarah Michele Ford
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> aka Alianor of Ravenglass
> aka the Dark Melm of Sith

Overall, I'd say it looks very nice and well-made.  I think the lace isn't
quite right (should probably be more of a cut-work/reticella type pattern)
but it's not a glaring discrepancy except to underwear junkies like
me....<G>  The general shape, fabric (I'd do linen or silk if possible), and
so on look good.

Liadain

> Yup. I'm still lusting over the partlet. Copied the picture. It
> doesn't look that hard to make. Before I go figure out how to do it,
> does it suck?
>
> Aoda

It's probably been a bit heavy the last few days - like mass quantity
groups of girlfriends (no offense to the gentlemen among us) everywhere, we
get on a roll and beat that horse until it's dogfood...<G>
     While eBay-snarking is an occasional acceptable sport on all the
costume/garb lists, hopefully a bit of constructive criticism leaks
through - this would be more period if, that just wasn't done, the garment
would be better in appearance/fit/periodicity if... and hopefully new
costumers can pick up useful things from it,
like don't use ripstop nylon for your Court Gown, and don't make your
body-linen bright blue.
     Meanwhile, I delete the stuff that doesn't interest me, comment on the
stuff that does, and occasionally spot a bit of inspiration on eBay.

Liadain

> I love this list, mostly. It is the single highest-volume list I subscribe
to and read every message. However, I have been getting more and more
distressed recently over what I have been reading and I am very seriously
considering unsubscribing.
>
> It shocks me to no end to see list members whose opinions I generally
respect going out of their way to search out 'bad garb' on eBay (etc) and
then playing a game to see who can come up with the snarkiest comment. I
understand that we don't want to see garb like that at events, but I thought
the purpose of this list was to encourage people to create better items, not
to see how harsh we can be. I don't want to be one to lecture on chivalry
and ettiquite, but I don't want to be part of a list that is so harshly
critical.
>
> I see that I have two choices:
> a) Automatically filter anything with ebay in the subject into the trash
bin
> b) Unsubscribe and help revive the list.uvm.edu list (which is mostly very
quiet these days).
>
> I am very close to taking choice B. Am I the only one out there feeling
like this?
>
> Megge
> NOT a snarker!