Hey, are all our An Tir folks okay after the rumble?

Liadain

I'm in the Federal Way area and was in Seatac at Highline Community
College when it hit. College was evacuated and I left and picked up
my kids and came home. Just a few books and pictures on the floor.


--- In SCA-Garb@y..., "Frank Thallas" <hardcorps@v...> wrote:
> Hey, are all our An Tir folks okay after the rumble?
>
> Liadain

Have CNN on - so far, doesn't look like as bad damage as the SF Bay quake
a few years back.  Hopefully not too many injuries.. prayers to all.

Liadain

> I'm in the Federal Way area and was in Seatac at Highline Community
> College when it hit. College was evacuated and I left and picked up
> my kids and came home. Just a few books and pictures on the floor.
>
>
> --- In SCA-Garb@y..., "Frank Thallas" <hardcorps@v...> wrote:
> > Hey, are all our An Tir folks okay after the rumble?
> >
> > Liadain
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Frank Thallas wrote:

>    Gotta second this - size 26, 46D, never "blown out" a sewn eyelet hole
> but have popped quite a number of those grommet thingies.  I poke my holes
> with ascending sizes of knitting needles (don't own an awl) - does cut
> threads, just "moves" them - then backstitch around the hole, finish with
> nice layer of buttonhole stitch - I like embroidery floss for this.  If
> you're really worried about it, you can stitch a little brass ring as
> someone else mentioned onto the fabric under the buttonhole stitching.
>
> Liadain
>
> > That would be me!  Rather than using a whipstitch on your eyelet
> > holes, use a buttonhole stitch.  It's stronger, and the threads won't
> > rub through or shift so easily.  You can also stabilize the hole with
> > tiny running stitches around the perimeter before finishing it with
> > the buttonhole stitch.  No grommets to fall out or cut the fabric,
> > and they'll probably outlast your dress!
> >
> > Rose
> >

People in period really did know what they were doing, you know.  In both 14th
cent. London (according to Crowfoot's book on clothing and textiles) and in
the late 16th century (according to Janet Arnold) it would seem that such
holes were reinforced with buttonhole stitch - frequently going around the
hole twice to make it extra strong.  In the late 16th cent. (Janet Arnold)
they also used metal rings on one or both sides of the fabric attached with
whip stitch as reinforcement - especially for lacings of bodies.  This based
on surviving whole or parts of clothing.

And yes, non-sewed grommets pull out of things, so I would never use them on
sails, although commercial tarps all have them (stupid #$@!@#)

Stephen of Hunmanby, chronicler
Shire of False Isle

Greetings,

I too am new to this list and receive it in digest form.  The only list I'm
on in real time is the SCA-cook's, and sometimes i have a hard time keeping
up with it.

My name is Lady Raoghnailt Marie Béatrix de la Barbe and I live in the Shire
of Stan Wyrm, Artemisia, mundanely known as Great Falls, Montana.  My
persona is Scottish and Burgundian (long story) and I wear Italian Ren.,
German, the fancier the better and I never met a pearl I didn't like.

I took up period jewelry making to have the "right" look for my garb.  I've
sewn for 30+ years (egad!) and have been in the SCA for 13-1/2 years.
Somehow I usually end up making garb for other people and have determined to
change that this year.  I am currently working on 2 new Italian Ren. for me
and some new garb for my 9-yr.-old daughter.  She is so tiny -- weighs 49
lbs. and is just over 4 ft. tall -- it's like sewing for a perpetual
Munchkin.  She is finally growing a little more but will be lucky to make 5
ft.  Me, on the other hand, am 5 ft. 4 in. and weigh over 250 lbs.  Makes
fitting garb -- interesting, that's it.

Raoghnailt
Stan Wyrm, Artemisia
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Yup, they didn't do it this way just because Ye Olde Walmarte didn't
carry grommet kits....<G>
     Seriously, though - those metal grommet things are okay for "temporary"
clothes - costumes, something quick-and-dirty for a special occasion or a
fast-growing child - but for anything you want to keep and wear for years,
hand-made eyelets are a much better investment - they don't pop out, they
don't cut the threads of your fabric, they wash well (no rust spots or other
metal discolorations) and if the buttonholing threads do fray or whatever,
they are much much easier to snip out and rework without damaging the
garment.  If you're investing in beautiful, expensive fabric, invest a
little extra time as well.

Liadain,
climbing down off that box....


> People in period really did know what they were doing, you know.  In both
14th
> cent. London (according to Crowfoot's book on clothing and textiles) and
in
> the late 16th century (according to Janet Arnold) it would seem that such
> holes were reinforced with buttonhole stitch - frequently going around the
> hole twice to make it extra strong.  In the late 16th cent. (Janet Arnold)
> they also used metal rings on one or both sides of the fabric attached
with
> whip stitch as reinforcement - especially for lacings of bodies.  This
based
> on surviving whole or parts of clothing.
>
> And yes, non-sewed grommets pull out of things, so I would never use them
on
> sails, although commercial tarps all have them (stupid #$@!@#)
>
> Stephen of Hunmanby, chronicler
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Sorry for the slightly tardy post...  I fell behind on my email and it's
taken me a while to get caught up.


Regarding what Stella refers to as the "sagging sail effect of sideless
surcotes", and the period example she gave
http://sunsite.dk/cgfa/limbourg/p-bfol186.htm

This doesn't look to me like the back is sagging at all.  It just looks
like it is a surcoat cut with the back wider than the front.  Admittedly,
I agree with Cynthia that the artist did make it way too clingy across
the bust, but I suspect that was more a personal issue of his than
anything to do with how the garment actually looked.

Regarding the other theory mentioned, that perhaps surcoats were
"buttoned" to the underdress...

I've heard this theory proposed several times, but I've never heard of
any evidence to support it.  In fact, there are many examples of surcoats
that don't have any "button" embellishments up the front, negating this
possibility


On a closely related topic, I think it is worth noting that at least half
of the sideless surcoats that I've seen aren't cut properly for the
wearers.  Because the garment has the large side openings, people tend to
assume that it is somewhat of a "one size fits all" garment.  This just
isn't true.  Yeah, you can get away with wearing one that wasn't made
specifically for you, or copying your friend's pattern.  But if you do so
you increase the chances that you will wind up with one that doesn't
match your proportions, and is unflattering.

I suspect that at least some of the "sagging" problems are due to people
wearing poorly fitted sideless surcoats.


Jessica Clark
SCA: Irène leNoir
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--- rebecca hatton <sybilsca@...> wrote:
> I do feel welcome and as I said this list has
> already been a great help to
> me. I now have a question to ask. I am making a
> cotehardie from a pattern
> from period patterns and I have ran into a problem.


I made a cote from this pattern and it turned out a
disaster. Really. The waist and hips were way way to
narrow and the bust was huge. And Im a small built but
busty gal. I measured more than twice and it still
turned out funny. The neckline turned out so bad, like
you say overlapping that I could have fit two of me in
the bodice and had to leave it hanging open like coat
lapels. And the sleeves were way to long. Id be very
careful with this pattern.

Kass did you post your directions on how to fix this
pattern in the files section? If not I saved them.


Muirgheal
who has a beautiful black and blue linen cote that
just looks horrible . . and the fabric was sooo pretty.

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I usually use embroidery floss, too -- Eterna Silk twist is my
current fave -- although I once unravelled a scrap of linen after I
finished the dress and used the threads to sew up the eyelet holes.

Rose :)

--- In SCA-Garb@y..., "Frank Thallas" <hardcorps@v...> wrote:
>    Gotta second this - size 26, 46D, never "blown out" a sewn
eyelet hole
> but have popped quite a number of those grommet thingies.  I poke
my holes
> with ascending sizes of knitting needles (don't own an awl) - does
cut
> threads, just "moves" them - then backstitch around the hole,
finish with
> nice layer of buttonhole stitch - I like embroidery floss for
this.  If
> you're really worried about it, you can stitch a little brass ring
as
> someone else mentioned onto the fabric under the buttonhole
stitching.
>
> Liadain

From: <PiperLvr@...>
To: <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:16 AM
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Re: Need eyelet help, please
> Jeanne said:
>> << As for eyelets, are you>  talking grommets that
>you hammer in or eyelets with the plier-like tool
>that>  you squeeze on? >>
>> The package says "Eyelets" but it does have the
>little tool for hammering> them in (go figure).  I
>didn't think the plier eyelets looked so hot,
>myself.

>They're not. I've herd from EVERYONE that they're a
>pain in the butt.

  Well, i'll just have to negate you on this one.  I've
used the pliers for several years on bodices and
corsets with minimal problems.  I HATE the hammering
tool, but the pliers work GREAT for me!!
  I even used this for my 38EE friend and she's been
wearing the same bodice for 6 years.

  Recently i've gone to covering them with embroidery
floss, simply to get away from the 'wench' look, and i
do have one with small machine-made buttonholes that
works well.
  I would like to pick up a tailors awl and give this a
try, but my local stores don't know what i'm talking
about.  Any suggestions where I could find one?

  Also there are various options for you listed here:
  http://www.vertetsable.com/easy.htm
  goto: 'those littel details'

Turrel
(Atenveldt)

The
first grommets I did with this kit were on my wedding
gown, and they
turned
out perfect...but I was scared to death!

> What size do you use?  With the 1/8" ones, if I
whipstitched over
them
there
> wouldn't be any hole left!  And the next available
size looked like
the
> grommets they use on sailboat sails.  (Oh, yeah,
THAT'S what I want
parading
> up and down my back.... for sure, for sure...)

The kit I have I got at Pennsic.  The info on the box
says "Set it
yourself
Grommet Kit, containing, Inserting die, Hardwood
Block, 3 dozen
grommets,
hole cutter.  Mine are size 0.  Big help, eh?  The
inside diameter of
the
hole measures 1/4". The company I got them from is
called C.S. Osborne
&Co,
and they're in Harrison, NJ 07029.  No further info
besides that,
unfortunately...




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Lacis (www.lacis.com) and Hedgehog Handworks
(www.hedgehoghandworks.com) both have awls (sometimes called
stillettos), running from about $6 to $30 or so.  I've also used awls
from Orchard Supply (insert your favorite tool barn here).  Be
careful, though, since the tool steel awls will rust and discolor
your fabric.

Rose

--- In SCA-Garb@y..., sheila widmaier <turrel@y...> wrote:
>  I would like to pick up a tailors awl and give this a
> try, but my local stores don't know what i'm talking
> about.  Any suggestions where I could find one?

Hi,
I forget who was asking about Mongol garb sources but here are the ones I
have.

Kathws Rusa
BTW if you want a list of the books we have check 2/24's posts.


> That is a good one, here are some others. My DH has a Mongol personna so
let
> me know if you want any of the personna type research websites, I got tons
> of those. Best of luck to you both.
> http://members.tripod.com/~whitebard/page2.htm
> http://members.tripod.com/~whitebard/ca54.htm
> http://members.tripod.com/~whitebard/bibli54.htm these 3 are on the dark
> horde's website are for coat layouts, and Complete Anachronist 54.
> http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/noramunro/MongolDress/index.htm This site has
> an
> article titled 'A Brief Guide to Historic Mongol Costume and how to make a
> women's hat.
> http://members.aol.com/noramunro/Mongoliana/index.htm  Home site for the
> article 'A Brief Guide to Historic Mongol Costume and how to make a
women's
> hat. Has a few links to other Mongolian sites.
> http://www.cyberus.ca/~rebecca/hare/HARE.HTM website for a themed feast
set
> in a Middle Eastern Suq (marketplace), has layouts for various styles of
> Middle Eastern clothing, and shows drawing from the Gobi Home Companion (a
> SCA pamplet) of a Mongol tunic. I have been working out sizes of the
various
> pieces of the tunic for my DH, who is 54 in the chest. Also has a timeline
> for the time period of the feast, and a few other tidbits.
> http://members.tripod.com/mongolian_page/costumes/patterns.html line
> drawings and patterns for Mongol Del, pants and boots. drawings are also
> from the Gobi Home Companion.
> http://www.9v.com/crystal/kerji-e/docs/del.htm
> This site has a group of articles on making a Ger, making a medieval Del
> (12th century), some Mongol words, etc. This is the one you posted.
> http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/tilke/title.html
> Oriental Costumes, Their design and color by Max Tilke, printed 1922. This
> site is an e-text of this book and has actual 19th century "national"
> costumes photographed from Eastern Europe, Africa, Middle East, India, and
> Asia.  The plates on China are Plates: 123, 124, and 125. For Chinese
> embroidery check out Plates:  120, 121, and 122.  For Tibet and the
Asiatic
> Steppes look at Plates:  102 to 106; plate 106 has two styles of shoulder
> collars like I have seen in some reenacted photographs. Plate 105 has a
> Chinese embroidered Lamaesque dancing coat/cloak. AND yes I know this is
> 19th century (if it rubs somebody that wrong then post better a better
> source) but you can at least get an idea of where seams are and such from
> some of the plates.
> http://www.ibelgique.com/mongolia///ncmpr/ncmpr.htm This site has various
> regional costumes in color drawings, includes accessories and hats also.
> Modern or 19th century dress, but interesting none the less.
> http://chinese.about.com/homework/chinese/cs/mongolian/index.htm  Has
> various Mongolian sites, including a couple of Mongolian language
tutorials
> and scripts.
> http://www.asianart.com/mongolia/intro.html Introduction to the Mongolian
> Exhibition at the Asian Art Museum. Also check out Introduction to the Art
> of Mongolia at  http://www.asianart.com/mongolia/introduct.html
>
> If you are wondering what the Gobi Home Companion is, it is a SCA pamplet
> that was printed several years back and as I understand is to be printed
> again. In the mean time if you can't find anybody with it local to look
at,
> I will snail mail you a copy of my copy.
>
> Joyce, aka Kathws Rusa

Greetings all-

I make bodices on a regular basis (like 7 so far this week), and I just go to
the tack shop (where they sell horsey stuff) and buy grommets there.  They also
sell the setter there.  I have a size 0 and a size 1, which I use for "bustier
girls.  I don't cover the grommets with embriodery floss, since most of the time
I use matte black grommets, which are really nice looking.

here is a tip: never buy the eyelets or the kit from the fabric store, its made
by dritz... you will put the grommets out your first lacing, those are made for
crafty things...

Just my 2 cents...

Lady Abigail the bodice guru

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too. My boys were lucky to get t tunics, never mind something that nice.
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Stasia, it looks wonderful, and she's gorgeous! And
let me just say thank you for sharing your "bonehead
mistake" with us - I feel *much* better! I too have
been sewing for a while (about 15 years on and off)
and I just made a huge boo-boo sewing the skirt onto
my late period Venetian - or rather I forgot to cut
the skirt to accomodate the pointed back and rounded
point at the front and ended up with a skirt that
didn't hang properly! Not only that - I didn't listen
to my own advice and baste the skirt to the bodice
first to see how it looked *before* machine sewing -
thank goodness for the stitch ripper! I fixed it. I
didn't have as much fabric as I would have liked for
the skirt, but appart from that it looks ok! :)


Bella Lucia da Verona

--- Jenn Ridley <jridley@...> wrote: >
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1309044&a=9717832&p=42230774
>
> Finally!  It's done!  And it looked pretty good,
> considering.
>
> Yes, I know it's open too far down the front...we
> didn't get it laced
> up until Saturday morning just before we left, and
> while I did take a
> few stitches at the front opening, she managed to
> riiip them out
> before the day was over.  (those are wet marks on
> the front of the
> dress and at the hem...it was a yukky day, and she
> got wet hauling
> stuff out to the car)
>
> The whole thing was a comedy of errors....the leine
> (based on Kass's
> 15th century chemise, since I had no idea how else
> to do it) is made
> from an old chemise of mine, and the sides have a
> horizontal seam in
> them.  The first time I cut the gussets, I cut them
> too small, so I
> had to rip off the band, rip out the old gussets and
> put in the new
> ones.  (and she's wearing it backwards....I can
> tell, because the
> neckband seam is showing.)
>
> I wound up cutting the dress bodice twice (the first
> time the armscyes
> were just too small to fit over the leine sleeves
> *and* the bodice was
> way too short).
>
> The original bands I cut for the sleeves were not
> the right size (too
> wide to be a single layer, too narrow to be folded),
> so I cut a
> narrower strip and made tubes, and pressed them so
> the seams were down
> the wrong side of the sleeve
>
> The skirt has a 2" band around the bottom, and it's
> just the perfect
> length...I cut it far too short to begin with.  This
> is actually a
> good thing, though, because the fabric is really too
> light to hang
> properly without the additional weight.
>
> Thursday night I was putting the hanging sleeves
> on...I had pinned
> them on the dress in the proper positions, and took
> them off one at a
> time to cut the angle.  Somehow I managed to cut the
> left sleeve
> backwards, so that it wouldn't hang right unless I
> put it on wrong
> side out (remember, there's a pair of seams down the
> wrong side of the
> sleeve).  Fortunately, I had just enough fabric to
> get another sleeve
> the correct width...on the cross-grain...and it's a
> crinkled fabric.
> But most of the crinkles pressed out, so it's not
> obvious unless you
> know what to look for.
>
> so, how'd I do, Kass?
>
>
> So let this be a lesson to you newbies....I've been
> sewing for close
> to 20 years, and I *STILL* make boneheaded mistakes.
>  Just roll with
> it....
>
>
> and, as I noted in another post, I don't think she
> kept her rep as
> "best dressed", since there was an entire troop of
> Brownies wandering
> around in properly wrapped formal "wrappy things",
> as Giles calls
> them.  Of course, they did have it pretty easy.....
>
>
> stasia



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Hi Gina!! :) Another from Lochac here, but I'm a
newbie - so far I've attended one Arts and Sciences
meeting! I'm in the Barony of Innilgard (Adelaide,
south Australia). I'm doing late period Venetian,
well...trying to! :)


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> introducing themselves, I
> thought I'd do the same.  My name is Gina van Acker,
> known in the SCA as
> "Elizabeth McLaren".  I've been playing about 4
> years, although my health
> problems meant that I took extended breaks away from
> the game.  I'm located
> in Canberra, Australia "Politarchopolis" where the
> unofficial motto is
> "eat,eat, you're too thin!"  I'm mainly interested
> in Tudor, Elizabethan and
> venetian garb, athough I'm interested in learning
> calligraphy, illumination
> and cooking soon. I want to make some other time
> period garb as well, anglo
> Saxon, viking and as much wierd but period things as
> I can find!  Canberra
> has a wide variation in weather, from very hot in
> summer (like now) to
> occasionally snowing and very wet, so I get to
> experiment with suitable garb
> for every occasion!  I'm learning lots on this list,
> as I am a self taught
> seamstress (read: inventive ways of fixing stuffups)
> You are a prolific
> bunch though, I had to subscribe in digest format to
> deal with the traffic!
> Enjoying it alot!
>
> See you around the group,
>
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>
> Liadain

I'm doing ok.  Just a few broken things.  The Quake was about 30
miles deep so it didn't do as much damage as it could have.  That 30
second ride sure felt like 5 min though.  This is only my second
earth quake.  ;o)  We just got power back at about 6pm.  We are the
last in Seattle to get power back.  Most everyone on the Steps (An
Tir newgroup are well).


Thank you for the concern.

Jehane Wulfekin

They look great! And Christopher looks to have the
same temperament as my Michael, judging by that cheeky
and huge grin! :) Michael *always* does that in
photos! :)


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Hi! I'm a size 16/18 and I used galvanised metal
washers on my corset. I poked the hole, placed the
washer over it and used all six strands of embroidery
cotton and buttonhole stitched over the washers! If
you do your stitches nice and close together the
embroidery thread completely covers the metal and the
result is great!! I'm not sure if this would work with
your dress, but you could try it on a scrap of fabric
first. :)


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--- lhupman@... wrote: > --- In SCA-Garb@y...,
PiperLvr@a... wrote:
> > Is there anyone in here who is plus-sized, busty
> as all get out and
> > uses only thread-reinforced lacing holes? How do
> they hold up? I do
> > have the area between where the holes or grommets
> will go
> reinforced
> > with boning but still.... I worry about pulling
> and tearing.
>
> That would be me!  Rather than using a whipstitch on
> your eyelet
> holes, use a buttonhole stitch.  It's stronger, and
> the threads won't
> rub through or shift so easily.  You can also
> stabilize the hole with
> tiny running stitches around the perimeter before
> finishing it with
> the buttonhole stitch.  No grommets to fall out or
> cut the fabric,
> and they'll probably outlast your dress!
>
> Rose



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--- dannw@... wrote: > Greetings,

> I was going to suggest that.  Simple whip stitch
> should work as well.
> I know someone who makes the hole with an awl and
> stretches it to it's
> maximum width with a round chopstick.  To reinforce
> the hole in a
> preiod manner you can take a round metal washer of
> the approprite size
> and stitch that over the hole.  I believe there is
> an example in Janet
> Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion"
>
> Cheers,
> Gwendoline

I've heard there is too - on a corset. Stephen was
kind enough to email me a description of how it is
done because I haven't received my "Patterns of
Fashion" yet. That's how I did the lacing holes for my
corset and it worked well! :)


Bella Lucia da Verona


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I never thought I'd say this... but for once it is an advantage to be a
bustless twig of a lass - I've never had any of these problems.

Brighid


On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:40:23 -0700 "Frank Thallas" <hardcorps@...>
writes:
    Gotta second this - size 26, 46D, never "blown out" a sewn eyelet hole
but have popped quite a number of those grommet thingies.  I poke my
holes
with ascending sizes of knitting needles (don't own an awl) - does cut
threads, just "moves" them - then backstitch around the hole, finish with
nice layer of buttonhole stitch - I like embroidery floss for this.  If
you're really worried about it, you can stitch a little brass ring as
someone else mentioned onto the fabric under the buttonhole stitching.

Liadain

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Well, was my face red. I figured no problem wander into the archives
and find the irish information I need. HA! So here is my problem,
I have a friend who bless his red headed soul wishes to do an Irish
persona,(biiiiigg sigh)and of course I remember all our talks on the
difficultly of documenting Irish dress, male and female. So I wandeer
about hunting irish dress, historical etc, etc. Could some one please
help me out in finding places to point him to? I have Kass's
Recreatinghistory.com and Dress In Ireland what else is there???????

Mistress Morgan
the confused and wishes Don would like something simple like Mongol,
or Persian or at least be a female

Oh... yes to the inquiry on Mongols,try Mongols in the SCA@ yahoo.com

Fine up here in Lionsdale. I was actually on the road when it happened.
Didn't know a darn thing about it until the babysitter told me when we got
there <laugh>. She said there was a little rocking but nothing fell!

Cathi in Chilliwack BC (Lionsdale)
ICQ# 4227964

"Librarians are the secret masters of the universe. They control all the
information. Don't piss them off!" - Spider Robinson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Thallas" <hardcorps@...>
To: <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Earthquake?


> Hey, are all our An Tir folks okay after the rumble?
>
> Liadain

--- In SCA-Garb@y..., "Cathi" <1vixen828@h...> wrote:
> Fine up here in Lionsdale. I was actually on the road when it
happened.
> Didn't know a darn thing about it until the babysitter told me when
we got
> there <laugh>. She said there was a little rocking but nothing fell!
>
> Cathi in Chilliwack BC (Lionsdale)
> ICQ# 4227964
>
> "Librarians are the secret masters of the universe. They control
all the
> information. Don't piss them off!" - Spider Robinson

Glad to hear that you are ok and that it wasn't as bad up there. ;o)

Jehane in Seattle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Thallas" <hardcorps@v...>
> To: <SCA-Garb@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Garb] Earthquake?
>
>
> > Hey, are all our An Tir folks okay after the rumble?
> >
> > Liadain

How bad was it? I was on my way to dropping the kids off before work and I
get home after the news. All I've heard is what staff who start later
brought in and that wasn't much!
I did hear that they upgraded it from a 6.? to a 7 but that's about it.

Cathi in Chilliwack BC
ICQ# 4227964

"Librarians are the secret masters of the universe. They control all the
information. Don't piss them off!" - Spider Robinson

----- Original Message -----
From: <aos@...>
To: <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Re: Earthquake?


> --- In SCA-Garb@y..., "Cathi" <1vixen828@h...> wrote:
> > Fine up here in Lionsdale. I was actually on the road when it
> happened.
> > Didn't know a darn thing about it until the babysitter told me when
> we got
> > there <laugh>. She said there was a little rocking but nothing fell!
> >
> > Cathi in Chilliwack BC (Lionsdale)
> > ICQ# 4227964
> >
> > "Librarians are the secret masters of the universe. They control
> all the
> > information. Don't piss them off!" - Spider Robinson
>
> Glad to hear that you are ok and that it wasn't as bad up there. ;o)
>
> Jehane in Seattle

Greetings,

    There are some interesting sites for a dress found in a bog, the
first link has instructions and the second has greater documentation
and pictures of the authors recreation.  Both these links came from
the last URL which has a section of links to celtic clothing if thee
pages down past the seperation by time periods.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5923/cloth/moy.html
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fenians/moy.html

http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/topics/clot.htm

In Service to The Dream,

Irusan

>How bad was it? I was on my way to dropping the kids off before work and I
>get home after the news. All I've heard is what staff who start later
>brought in and that wasn't much!
>I did hear that they upgraded it from a 6.? to a 7 but that's about it.
Last I heard, it was a 6.8, with the possibility of later revision once the
geologists have looked over all the data. . . 7's Major; 6.8 is Strong, I
believe
the rule of thumb is.

Alban

My sweet boys.  They are truly having fun with the SCA.  Christopher has two
awards already.  One for Archery, and one
for winning the boffer tourney up at Ursalmas.  The doublet I made for
Christopher is wool, with cotton liner, and
cotton padding.  Turns out to be pretty good protection for boffer.   I haven't
managed to make one for Jeremy yet, but
he likes his dagged tunic better than his other ones.  It is reversible.

How old are your kids?

Julianna (Proud Mom)

My dress is still a work in progress, but I love it too!  (it needs sleeves) It
is wool with cotton lining, and cotton
batting, just like Christopher's.  This is what I did with the $4.99 a yard wool
that I bought at JoAnns.  It is so
soft.  I was pleasantly surprised with the wool.  I went to Estrella this year,
and I was warm with the cold nights, yet
I wasn't as hot on the last day as I thought I would be.  Perfect for An Tir!!!

Julianna



Holly Grimmett wrote:
>
> Your boys are adorable and I REALLY like your dress a lot and their garb
> too. My boys were lucky to get t tunics, never mind something that nice.
> :-)  Very spiff!   Thanks for sharing.
>
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