IIRC, modern scholarship now believes that some German printer used the name of
Titian's brother to make it sound more important.  Just like it's not really
Angelina Jolie who wants me to buy that stuff they keep sending me spam about!

Rashid

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> I am!!!!!!!  I didn't know that TItain, the painter had a costume obsessed
brother!
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Thanks for the link!



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There was much discussion about this translation on the courtesan and
Italian ren  group lists. Cringe is a good word about the price.

Elspeth Bouchannane

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>> Vecellio's Habiti Antichi et Moderni,
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I think I actually did burn my first garb...and am very thankful there is
no photographic evidence:)

Alysoun

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> telling
> around the fire. Heheheheh

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This sounds like an awesome find!

Anna

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An aspect of this conversation might be that in the age of high speed internet,
Pinterest, cosplay, and DIY blogs, that the average beginner who has interest in
making garb has probably already seen some examples online. It doesn't require
going to great lengths to see good examples of primary, secondary, and recreated
garb - if pointed in the right direction (i.e. towards online libraries vs.
online retailers selling ready-made "medieval" garb).

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> And yet here you are.  Good on you girl for hanging in there.

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My first garb was awful! I made all sorts of sewing mistakes!
THL Isabelle de Foix 
In support of my canary Fiona

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Thank you for the information.  I have not had time yet Again, thank you. to
research  this  further.  The information about Titian came from the dust
jacket.  I am not fully versed in the artist's work either.  I have one book
about him and I have not read it again for some time.  Again, thank you,



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I cringed but since the money goes to maintaining the exhibits and funding
traveling shows and other special things, I don't really mind so very much. 
Books and the museums are about all the entertainment I indulge in now, since we
are commited to redoing much of the house.  I also have quite a few hobbies that
could potentially take me at least 200 years to finish all that I collected
before I retired.  Isn't life wonderful!



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The discriptions are only about one paragraph long, but the prints are very
detailed.  I've only actually read about fifty pages, but I'm stunned by the
sweeping scope of cutting across all lines of class, from peasants to kings.  I
don't think he's left anyone out.  Wish I could share it will you all.



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I agree totally, I started a year ago, primarily for the garb.
regards
Sue
Dragons Bay
Australia

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Apologies for the late reply.  I also use Finnacan Dubh's Early Gaelic Dress,
which has a decent bibliography at the end for additional source material.

http://coblaith.net/EarlyGaelicDress/EarlyGaelicDress10bw.pdf

He has several print resources listed, but here are his web ones:
Autobiography of Guibert of Nogent
www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/basis/guibert-vita.html
Corpus of Electronic Texts: Táin Bó Cúalnge from the Book of Leinster
www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T301035/index.html
Corpus of Electronic Texts: Lebor na hUidre (in original Irish)
www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G301900/
I. Marc Carlson's "Footwear of the Middle Ages"
www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM
Wikipedia: Gallery of Images from the Book of Kells
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_Book_of_Kells_pages

Good luck!
Saerlaith ingen Buadaig

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> > I'm trying to find some good references for what women wore in early period
Ireland, roughly 800-900.

I recently got some Christmas money and wanted to buy some books about garb.
There are several editions of the Compleat Anachronist that interested me. I
also saw a book called _The Medieval Tailor_. The problem is, I can't buy
everything. I'm wondering if you have favorite books that have helped you, and
if I had to choose, should I go with 7 or 8 issues of the Compleat Anachronist,
or the 1 book, Medieval Tailor. Thanks
Sadb Hálsdóttir
Glyn Dwfn MoAS
aka Shawn Davis

On 1/13/2013 2:52 PM, Shawn Holstrum Davis wrote:
> I recently got some Christmas money and wanted to buy some books about garb.
There are several editions of the Compleat Anachronist that interested me. I
also saw a book called _The Medieval Tailor_. The problem is, I can't buy
everything. I'm wondering if you have favorite books that have helped you, and
if I had to choose, should I go with 7 or 8 issues of the Compleat Anachronist,
or the 1 book, Medieval Tailor. Thanks
>

Which CA issues?  What's you're time period?

I love Medieval Tailor's ASsistant, personally.

Susan
--
Susan B. Farmer
sfarmer@...
Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College
College of Science and Math
http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium

Curious what period and nationality are you interested in? This would help to
focus on what books and materials are good.

Thank you and Semper Fi,
Ian C. Stout

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Depends on your interests and how much you like "time travelling".  Medieval
Tailor is a really great, useful book, but it only covers Europe, 1300-something
to late 1400's, IIRC.  Many consider that to be the "Essential High Middle
Ages", "One True Century" etc etc.  Based on your name, that may not be
precisely your focal period, but then again, some people don't stick tightly to
one period, either.

Compleat Anachronist will get you more variety in place and time.  Not to
disparage them, but I think some of them may have somewhat dated info and
interpretations that we have moved on from.  And some are quite excellent.  I
don't own enough of them to give you valid info on that, however.

Rashid

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn Holstrum Davis"  wrote:
>if I had to choose, should I go with 7 or 8 issues of the Compleat Anachronist,
or the 1 book, Medieval Tailor. Thanks
> Sadb Hálsdóttir

I'm early viking contact in scotland. I'm interested in the Picts, but not
attempting a Pict persona. I want to have a better understanding on what the
differences are between periods and locations, as well as to create as authentic
garb as I can. Does anyone have experience blending the Norse & Scottish
cultures of that time? I need all the help I can get. For fancier occasions, I
tend to wear more 12th century garb.

These are the main CA I'm looking at:
1/92  Women's Garb in Northern Europe, 450-1000 C.E.: Frisians, Angles, Franks,
Balts, Vikings, and Finns
Also includes a chapter on textile production
7/09  Unveiling the Truth: Medieval Women's Hairstyles, Volume I: Hairstyling
Tools and Easy Hair Fashions from 600 to 1500
7/88  Costume Studies I: Articles from Seams Like Old Times
Flat pattern adaption, early textiles, Renaissance interlaces and cunning cord
designs, bibliography
3/88  Early Scandinavian Culture
Garb, weaponry, festivities, naming practices

Books, besides the Medieval Tailor, I'm looking at Medieval Garments
Reconstructed: Norse Clothing Patterns. I'm a beginner/intermediate sewer.

Sounds interesting! Mughal is significantly after the period that I have in mind
and probably shows a significant Arabian influence that would not have been
present in my period, but there is actually a chance that I could find myself in
Chicago in the near future; if I do, I'll be sure to check it out!

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> I just went to see the Indian exhibit at the Field Musuem in Chicago, and
while the period is the 1600s to the 1930s, the men's costumes they had on
display for the different kingdoms were rather uniform. The men seemed to wear
tunics a lot like a shirt with a skirt (sometimes with a decorative insert) and
loose capri-like pants that were gathered on the inseam. All of the items on
display were from the V&A or the British Musuem that were either gifts or spoils
of war.
>
> I recall one of the descriptions saying that while the pattern on the fabric
was inspired by the Mughal, the type of clothing was traditional before that.
Hope this helps.

> I'd call that "Ancient Persian" to avoid confusion with the 1500's Persian,
which is what most SCA people think of when they talk Persian!

Good point, I'll keep that in mind.

> This garment is easy to pattern. It's basically a tunic, but instead of
rounding off the gores in an arc like you would normally do, you just leave them
as triangles, and insert them with the bias edge facing outwards.  You have to
use a lightweight, loosely woven fabric and that exagerates the natural droop
that you get from the bias in that position.

Thanks for the tips!

You also will NOT EVER BE SORRY that you bought "Woven into the Earth."
Also, several Scadian costumers have opies of the research from the
Hedeby/Birka digs - if you ask around your area, I'm sure you can get your
hands on those, as well.

Alysoun

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Shawn Holstrum Davis <
shawnmdavis@...> wrote:
> I'm early viking contact in scotland. I'm interested in the Picts, but not
> attempting a Pict persona.

On 1/13/2013 10:53 PM, Shawn Holstrum Davis wrote:
> I'm early viking contact in scotland. I'm interested in the Picts, but not
attempting a Pict persona. I want to have a better understanding on what the
differences are between periods and locations, as well as to create as authentic
garb as I can. Does anyone have experience blending the Norse & Scottish
cultures of that time? I need all the help I can get. For fancier occasions, I
tend to wear more 12th century garb.

Clothing on that particular period is very scarce and hard to come by.

>
> These are the main CA I'm looking at:
> 1/92  Women's Garb in Northern Europe, 450-1000 C.E.: Frisians, Angles,
Franks, Balts, Vikings, and Finns

This is dated.  There's much better information on the web.  If you
*must* have a book, look at Thor Ewing's book, and Glaesel's (pricey but
pretty) book.

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> Books, besides the Medieval Tailor, I'm looking at Medieval Garments
Reconstructed: Norse Clothing Patterns. I'm a beginner/intermediate sewer.
>

This book is *awesome* but it's for a *MUCH* later period than you're
talking about.

Jerusha
--
Susan B. Farmer
sfarmer@...
Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College
College of Science and Math
http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium

On 1/14/2013 6:20 AM, Vicky Eisenstadt wrote:
> You also will NOT EVER BE SORRY that you bought "Woven into the Earth."
> Also, several Scadian costumers have opies of the research from the
> Hedeby/Birka digs - if you ask around your area, I'm sure you can get your
> hands on those, as well.
>

what she said.

Jerusha
--
Susan B. Farmer
sfarmer@...
Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College
College of Science and Math
http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium

Clothing for that era and nation is very simple. Sorry if I'm posting this
again, but it's been a wild morning.

Mostly the garb for men and women were tunics, women's longer than men, and the
men wore pants. Both sexes wore long cloaks that were pinned on one shoulder
with a broach. You can see this type of costume at the Costumer's Manifesto. The
Costumer's Manifesto is THE internet go-to place for research and how-to tips.
www.costumes.org

The picts would also have gone bare to the waist (yes men and women) and have
woad designs or tats (the blue dye in Braveheart is woad). Basic Norse jewelry
would be the same for later eras, only more crude. A Norse man or woman might
also have jewelry from as far away as Russia. A Pict would have Roman, or Celtic
Irish jewelry since the Scotti were from Ireland.

One thing you should remember is NO PLAID. Absolutely none! Plaid as we think of
it is a 17th century affectation. A Pict or Norse would have cloth cloaks
trimmed with fur. An Celt wore a striped cloak that marked the colors of their
clans and their rank.

Is this about Scotland?
THL Isabelle de Foix
Kingdom of Meridies 
In support of my canary Fiona


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>
>Clothing for that era and nation is very simple. Sorry if I'm posting this
again, but it's been a wild morning.
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On Jan 13, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Shawn Holstrum Davis wrote:

> 7/09 Unveiling the Truth: Medieval Women's Hairstyles, Volume I: Hairstyling
Tools and Easy Hair Fashions from 600 to 1500


I cannot speak to how accurate the info is for your time period, but I thought
this booklet set was a very interesting topic, and it was very in depth as to
the information provided. I learned quite a bit from it.

Joan




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I did see this one, and I was pretty impressed with it!

Rashid

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> > 7/09 Unveiling the Truth: Medieval Women's Hairstyles, Volume I: Hairstyling
Tools and Easy Hair Fashions from 600 to 1500
>
>
> I cannot speak to how accurate the info is for your time period, but I thought
this booklet set was a very interesting topic, and it was very in depth as to
the information provided.

Want to protect your garb going to and from events? I sure do! And I don't want
to use glaringly modern garment bags. So I made a design for my own using
all-natural materials and an optional carrying strap and pockets for ID and
accessories. Total material cost for me was $12 and it took about 1.5 hours to
make. I love it! Thought you all might like to make one, too. Step by step
directions, with photos are at my blog at:

http://germanrenaissance.net/make-your-own-custom-sized-garment-bag-with-all-nat\
ural-materials-with-optional-carrying-strap-and-pockets-for-id-and-accessories/

Enjoy!

Genoveva
http://GermanRenaissance.net

Thank you for sharing your instructions.  What a great idea.
Rebecca

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> So I made a design for my own using all-natural materials and an optional
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That's awesome.  Thanks for sharing.

Anne



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That's really great!  Thanks!  Now to transport a henin ...

- cat from Caldarium

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