If you did the beaded wire hair cages, you could also line the cage
with black satin. It'd shine like hair does and disguise your hair
color if you don't want it shown. A veil is usually warn over the top
of your head with those.

Grazia

Byzantine has LOTS of bling.  On one dalmatica I used over 300 potato pearls
as well as untold numbers of fresh water pearls and lapis beads.  There is
also gold embroidery which will spiff up almost anything.

Elspeth Bouchannane

I abandoned much hope in looking as good in my costumes as I did twenty years
ago, but that doesn't stop me from trying for the best.  I started in 13th
century clothing, went to Renaissance and now am back to Medieval thanks to this
group.  I rather expect that the time whose look we trying to copy had quite a
few people who didn't look great in the current fashon, but that didn't stop
them from trying if they had the resources.  Even those who didn't worked with
what they had. It's the ambiance we're trying for in the end, isn't it and
perfection of re-creating it?  People aged and lost their figures then, so why
worry about it now.  You go for the best and most authentic costumes you can and
you'll look great!  KathyAnn







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Honestly as a serial costumer, I look at *everything* & ask "what else can I do
with this?". It's not just an SCA thing.

I do Warhammer costuming too (which is why you can bet I'll somehow work skulls
into my garb somehow). I've done Steampunk, comic book, ren, scifi, fae, goth of
course, etc. It's not a hobby, it's a lifestyle, a way of thinking. You become
variations on a theme & the more you know about your theme the more complete you
feel.

In this highly diversified, multi/pan/sub cultural world we live in we have to
find things that resonate with us personally & run with them like our lives
depended on it. It's ironic (in the modern sense of irony) that we are drawn to
things that have strict rules about how you can dress when the world at large
now tends away from that in most social contexts. You can choose yopr friends,
make your own families of friends, etc. yet there is still something enticing
about a time where conformity could be a matter of life & death & choice wasn't
really a thing.

For me it's the challenge of staying within parameters & still getting something
I like. That's hard. I'm spoiled.

The point is, no matter what your passion is it comes to define you & becomes a
part of your life & perspective.

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Jackie Frederick" <edenwild@...> wrote:
>
> Byzantine has LOTS of bling.

My friend keeps suggesting this for me, unfortunately I don't think the cut of
the clothes will work on me. All the everyday & going out dresses I have are
either GFD style or Victorian. I own nothing that loose because it makes me look
huge. The thin belts I see on the dalmaticas do not help either. I'd love to do
stuff with that level of detail though. Tudor is out due to just too many layers
& being too hot. I have many many Victorian corsets & I don't want to get into
that right now.

I will say there is a pair of amethyst Byzantine earrings that keep popping up
on jewe;ry searches I could go recreate in my workshop right now, heh.

****************

To everyone asking why I want one period, well, I want to develop a
character/persona & stick with it. I know it's fine to jump around but I'd
prefer to find a best of all worlds soultion & go with it. It's just the way I
think

****************


--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Deborah Hilton <deb.milspec@...> wrote:
>
> My hair is pink/purple....

Now that makes me feel better! Thanks!

Well said!



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From: lili313 <lilibat@...>
<snip>

Honestly as a serial costumer, I look at *everything* & ask "what else can I do
with this?". It's not just an SCA thing.

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1520s German
http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520.htm

http://myra.hem.nu/costume/
to the left,click on the pic. above the WWW, this will take you to
Documentation and Research.  Scroll down to images by artist and click on
Hans Part. This should take you to the Badenberger Geneology. Scroll down
for individual garments and you can click on the images to enlarge.
(Swabian) Some of these are just above waistline.

Mary of Hungary gown
http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/mary/index.htm

There is the bliaut
http://tinyurl.com/cq2c2j


De

Wow! I am so printing this post. Thanks so much!

On Nov 9, 2012 9:21 PM, "Kathy" <Skkyeviolet@...> wrote:
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> You go for the best and most
> authentic costumes you can and you'll look great! KathyAnn

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How early have we seen blackwork embroidery on clothing?



My daughter made me two pieces copied from the Jane Seymour painting and I
want to honour her work but I do not want a Tudor outfit.  I am looking for
garb I can use them on, not necessarily as cuffs.



I have seen a partlett with blackwork.



Help?  Anyone?

Anne



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On Nov 10, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Wendy Maurice wrote:

> How early have we seen blackwork embroidery on clothing?...
> My daughter made me two pieces copied from the Jane Seymour painting


Mamluk embroidery is the earliest I've heard that would be described as
blackwork. However, the style is different than the Jane Seymour style of
blackwork. Do a search on that term and you will find lots of info on it.

Also, some books mention that Chaucer spoke of blackwork on someone's wife (the
miller? I can't remember right now). No idea what sort of pattern that might
have been.

> I have seen a partlett with blackwork.

I have made a partlet with blackwork. However I've found that this is more
common during the Elizabethan period in general, although some tapestries from
c.1510 appear to have blackwork in the upper chest area which may be on
partlets, or on smocks (hard to tell). Again, pattern styles seem to depend on
time frame and location.

Joan




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If I remember right, blackwork started in Spain and moved to Italy and
England later. Maybe you can find some Spanish garb more to your
liking?

Grazia

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Wendy Maurice" <wpmaurice@...> wrote:
>
> How early have we seen blackwork embroidery on clothing?


I am NO expert. I have been looking for dates on many techniques myself. I found
this document which seems helpful.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34156079/8-Period-Stitches
(you need a free account to see it I believe & a paid to download but it's short
so I just keep it online.)

I need some suggested sources for 100% linen fabric. Ive used fabrics-store.com
but I really need a better quality linen, it seems to shred way too easily. The
suitweight linen at Joann fabrics has held up really well but the color choice
is very limited and I have to wait for coupons before purchasing because of the
super high price.....any other options??

Thanks

Gyða

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.  I will do more digging - obviously I
am not going to be able to find something AND have my new garb made in the
next two weeks.  It's not that I don't have plenty of garb!

Anne



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On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Gyða kappgnógr wrote:

> I need some suggested sources for 100% linen fabric.



From a MOD.

I am sorry, but this thread is now dead. While many of us do use various linen
fabrics, it is against community rules to promote or advertise in this
community. We can discuss linen and its many uses and problems, but advertising
is not allowed except in signature lines.

"Rule the Second: ALL advertisements are to be posted in our companion group,
located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garb4sale/ or risk being permanently
banned without further notice. ...  Advertising in one's signature at the end of
a message IS allowed, as long as it follows standard netiquette protocol
(containing no more than four lines in the sig file.) "

If folks have suggestions please contact the requester OFF LIST.

Thank you for your understanding.

Joan
one of the mods.





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I've never had any problems with the linen from f-s.com.  What
weight are you using? How are you finishing your seams?

Anya


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Gyða kappgnógr <deb.milspec@...>wrote:

> it seems to shred way too easily.
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<snip> I'd love to do stuff with that level of detail though. Tudor is out due
to just too many layers & being too hot. I have many many Victorian corsets & I
don't want to get into that right now.
>
<snip>

What about Burgundian? It's relatively fitted (if you pick the later version).
There's opportunities for bling on the belt, the hennin and some really pretty
necklaces. If you've already got a GFD you've got the necessary supporting under
layer (depending on how high you've cut the neckline, but so long as you've got
the pattern you can always cut it down a little further). Plus the hennin will
cover up your hair if you're concerned about showing the colour.

Elizabeth

I agree totally with comment.  I have lots of folks telling me to pick just
one area, one time frame.  Where's the fun in that?!  There is so much out
there to research and learn about and this ( just my humble opinion) is
where the 'creative' part comes in.

Making new garb from what you have learned, learning new skills, new ideas,
the history behind the clothes - - all that and more is kewl for me.  And
not one 'shoehorn' in sight.

> 2. You do not have to shoehorn yourself into one period or country. (I
> don't)
>
Elspeth Bouchannane

Hello
I'm about to finally get around to lining my circle cloak. I'm
pondering arm slits to deal with the annoyance of having to open the
cloak to reach for things and thereby getting rain down the front of
my gowns. But are they SCA period, or a Victorian invention? You see
them plenty at Renaissance Festivals, but that doesn't mean much.

Anyone know of an example garment, painting, illumination...?

Thanks,
Grazia Morgano

I'm not sure I can say I've seen arm-slits in full circle cloaks in any period
pics.  But I have seen arm slits in garments of the 1300's thru 1400's are sort
of halfway in between cloaks and surcoats.  I almost was going to say I don't
think that full-circle cloaks are period, except for the very short Elizabethan
ones, but while pondering on arm slits, I remembered seeing some very full
cloaks that could have been full circles in that same 1300's- 1400's period.  I
might just be remebering some  very full surcoats/overgowns, or the pics might
not have had enough detail to know for sure, but at least that gives you a few
leads.  I think they were manuscript pics, not paintings or frescoes.

Rashid

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I'm about to finally get around to lining my circle cloak. I'm
> pondering arm slits to deal with the annoyance of having to open the
> cloak to reach for things and thereby getting rain down the front of
> my gowns. But are they SCA period, or a Victorian invention? You see
> them plenty at Renaissance Festivals, but that doesn't mean much.
>
> Anyone know of an example garment, painting, illumination...?
>
> Thanks,
> Grazia Morgano
>

Though they were probably not full circle, I have seen 3 that were early - mid
1500s Germanic (Saxony, Hesse,...) and you have Italian gionea that comes close.

Woman on the left
http://tinyurl.com/bk3qfzg
http://tinyurl.com/bhq6u3g

I think I saw a 1300s Ehglish(?) that had slits, it was a brass etching.

-----Original Message-----
Hello
I'm about to finally get around to lining my circle cloak. I'm
pondering arm slits to deal with the annoyance of having to open the
cloak to reach for things and thereby getting rain down the front of
my gowns. But are they SCA period, or a Victorian invention? You see
them plenty at Renaissance Festivals, but that doesn't mean much.

Anyone know of an example garment, painting, illumination...?

Thanks,
Grazia Morgano

The question I think should be.  IS the cloak an Art Sci project or  to
keep Warm ? If an Art Sci project then maybe it matters  , if to keep Warm
then make it for that and do what you wish for convienece
   But this is only my opinion

  Diderick

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@...> wrote:

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Cloak/coat(?) Spain, 15th Century

http://jessamynscloset.com/images/postspainimages/Nobleza2/no252.jpg

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@...> wrote:

> Anyone know of an example garment, painting, illumination...?
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I would have interpretted both of those examples as surcoats becuase of how
close they fit the upper body of the wearer...

I know it's not a "cloak with arm slits", but a late/post period cassock might
be considered similar..

http://www.employees.org/~cathy/cote_body.html

Silvester

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That's interesting, but extremely topologically ambiguous.  If you follow the
white sash, on one side it looks like it goes through the arm slit, and on the
other side it looks like it goes underneath a sleeve.  And on the side facing
us, the draping looks a lot like a sleeve, but by the time it gets to the bottom
you can't tell what is going on with the folds.  And if you follow the fur
trim/lining on the center front opening it jumps from the surcoat to the gown as
it reaches the bottom.

I wonder if this is one of those paintings that was "restored" by someone who
didn't understand what the garb was?

Rashid


--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Gõcauo <gocauo@...> wrote:
>
> Cloak/coat(?) Spain, 15th Century
>
> http://jessamynscloset.com/images/postspainimages/Nobleza2/no252.jpg

Hi Rashid,

Might you be recalling a gardecorps?  They show up in manuscript art between
mostly between 1250 and 1325ish:


http://www.larsdatter.com/gardecorps.htm


Regards,

Matilda Stoyle



________________________________
  From: Charles <unclrashid@...>
...I remembered seeing some very full cloaks that could have been full circles
in that same 1300's- 1400's period. 
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http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/workbox/extmenclo3.htm
Here is an extant cloak with sleeves. Late period male. Don Garcia

There are also Russian coats that have attached sleeves that aren't used
and your arm goes through slit in sleeves. The sleeves were extra long.
Cat


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Respected friends:
--- On Fri, 11/16/12, SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com <SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Anyone know of an example garment, painting, illumination...?
>
> Thanks,
> Grazia

The Pelicon, a full-circle cloak with no front opening and an attatched hood
(You climbed in from underneath and put your head through a buttoned neck slit)
had arm slits, but it had to have them; without them, the wearer would have been
unable to do _anything_!
Actually, it's a beautiful and elegant piece of clothing; egg-shaped in cut,
with a train and a beautiful hood/collar effect. It ended up as a piece of
formal regalia for queens after everyone else stopped wearing it.

Yours in service to both the Societies of which I am a member-
(Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk, R.S.F.
Alizaundre de Brebeuf, C.O.L. S.C.A.- AKA Una the wisewoman, or That Pict

"If you're a normal human, the inside of your head is not a pretty
place. Venting it unfiltered to the internet may feel therapeutic,
but it's unlikely to end well."
--Goedjn


Morgano

Looking for a mailing list (Yahoo groups or similar) for quilters to discuss
techniques, fabrics, shows, etc.  Prefer a medium volume list with few or no off
topic messages.  There are many lists; I would appreciate recommendations. 
adTHANKSvance!

Carol B.   botteron@...

Those could be ancestors of the garment I am recalling, but the one I remember
was more "Age ofthe cotehardie".  It might have had sleeves with slits, though.

Rashid

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Matilda Stoyle <matilda.stoyle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rashid,
>
> Might you be recalling a gardecorps?  They show up in manuscript art between
mostly between 1250 and 1325ish:
>
>
> http://www.larsdatter.com/gardecorps.htm