It all sounds okay to me except for the archery.  I'm very fond of my Olympic
class archery equipment.  It isn't as easy to shoot with all this as it might
seem.  At least for me, shooting with a bare bow is fairly easy.



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LOL! ya I had that thought too...hummm if anyone catches a deer and can skin it
in one shot....I would have leather to be able to make for a book cover or
parchment.....This too me just adds to the fun of the Sca
 
Lady Elizabeth


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I have that! SCAS.... There is probably a pill for that, but I would never want
to take it. :-)
Giliana Ravenild

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heh, I'm a *carrier* :)

Alysoun

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>
> I have that! SCAS.... There is probably a pill for that, but I would never
> want to take it. :-)
> Giliana Ravenild
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> known and diagnosed SCA syndrome (or just me?)...
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"Courage is the virtue of deeds... courtesy is the virtue of language."
Baron Giovanni di Fiamma


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Stuff in thrift and consignment stores, yard sales (and occasional dumpster
diving), stuff from friends who know you belong to that "club" all begins to
accumulate at your house. Projects litter various surfaces.  Sewing machines and
other tools abound. Books breed in corners and you cant pass a bookstore or book
sale without taking a look to see if there is anything wonderful there (and I've
found some great things)  We've been infected for years.
Lady Ratiri (Atenveldt)

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Thanks, all! It's good to know I'm not alone. I've enjoyed reading your
responses. What a great group!


-- Patty Gale

so THAT’S what causes all this!  Hello my name is Edwinna and I am a SCA
Syndrome victim (and enjoying it :-)


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Greetings,I'm so glad you love this great and wonderful game we play. For me it
a source of constant new inspiration and frustration. I enjoy doing many of
the things the Society does but get frustrated when I just can't do what I
wish. My disabilities get in my way, much to my annoyance. Growl grumph grumble
okay got that out of way <big grin>There's seem to be a never ending selection
of things to try and explore in the SCA. That is wonderful! But  there is
something to be wary of,there is a true SCA syndrome. It's when the real world
is but a miserable place to endured between events, a job provides for the
barest of homes or apartment and all extra cash is used
  funneled to the "dreamers"  version of "the Dream." These people  are
not necessarily people who can't succeed in the SCA. I've known some
personally and served with one who became a king. The king and queen were both
that way, talented, charismatic, and intelligent. Both are peers, still in the
organization and still out of touch with the real world. They paid for one reign
on donations and unemployment payments. I paid for gas to events several times
and yet they scolded me for not attending every event --I worked on alternate
weekends. I was told I did not take my duties to the house seriously.   I was
young then and this upset me but I knew then they were the ones wrong. Real life
comes first. Now they may seem like an extreme examples but there others out
there who are much like them. Do you
  ignore them, run away in panic? No. Some of these folks are fun, talented,
intelligent with a sad inability function in regular society. Just don't get
sucked in to their world. Remember what we do is a game, a very fun and
engrossing game, but just a game.Leonarda      

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For a while there, my mother was bringing me anything she found in the thrift
store that was made of "weird" fabric.  Some of it was actually useful for garb.

Rashid


--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "MITCHELL J BARTON" <rondoval@...> wrote:
>
> Stuff in thrift and consignment stores, yard sales (and occasional dumpster
diving), stuff from friends who know you belong to that "club" all begins to
accumulate at your house. Projects litter various surfaces.  Sewing machines and
other tools abound. Books breed in corners and you cant pass a bookstore or book
sale without taking a look to see if there is anything wonderful there (and I've
found some great things)  We've been infected for years.
> Lady Ratiri (Atenveldt)

Beware! I have seen the things that this syndrome can cause.  Large men in
armour going through Pillaged Village picking out an arm load  of trims and
fearing that their wives will kill them.  OR my husband watching 'period'
movies and commenting 'That's not period'. OR children pouring over heraldry
books at age 3 picking out  their own devices.

What ever shall we do?!  Enjoy it!

Elspeth Bouchannane

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From: "Heather Law" <hlaw001@...>

> so THAT’S what causes all this!  Hello my name is Edwinna and I am a SCA
> Syndrome victim (and enjoying it :-)
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A friend of mine refers to people who "live for" SCA or similar activities as
"livers."  It's not intended as a compliment.  :-}

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Joe Jj <ccjjoe1@...> wrote:
>
> ... But  there is something to be wary of,there is a true SCA syndrome. It's
when the real world is but a miserable place to endured between events, a job
provides for the barest of homes or apartment and all extra cash is used
funneled to the "dreamers"

I'm not in the SCA( at least not yet) but we part of a renfair and it affects us
just as much.I wished I'd had more time for sewing right now and doing more of
that stuff, but homeschooling my children does take a lot of time. For me it's
more seasonal. I have times I sew a lot and others I don't get to ti much.
Though is till love to look at garage sales etc for good stuff to use for ren.
There are still projects that are not finished from before we went on a 3 week
across country tour in August.But I wear my bodices and some skirts even often
in everyday life. Blessings Friederike

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Heather Law" <hlaw001@...> wrote:
>
> so THAT’S what causes all this!  Hello my name is Edwinna and I am a SCA
Syndrome victim (and enjoying it :-)
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Very well written and an excellent comment. I've also known some wonderful
people who are caught up this way. Sadly, you must watch (with kindness) to
not get sucked up into their world - it can be overwhelming and without meaning
to - they can demand much.  The saying in the SCA is - to give what we are
comfortably able to give - not to hurt others in the process.

I don't have a spare corner in my home not filled with something SCA inclined.
I'm considering it a new way to decorate and love it all. I have the syndrome,
have had for many, many years and don't want to change. My life outside
comes first but the influence is strong. :-)
Cheers,  Sine
              AnTir


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(Mod Note: Last post for the Off Topic weekend conversation. Back to our
regularly scheduled SCA sewing topics please.)


Thank you. I could dive into Scadian life as I'm unable to work a "regular job"
and SCA provides a great distraction. But I'm also an editor and writer,
currently working on a alternative history medieval Japanese series (I hope).
This is not  my persona, which is 13th century Italian, though their politics
was worse then the Medics, codified and why I bang head on computer. LOL It is
work, though and I've got to say it maintains my interest. When I get too
frustrated then I go "play": wading though my never ending sewing projects,
testing a recipe or two on my hubby (I'm allergic to many foods so he
tastes/eats things and provides feedback) or going to an event. We're also part
of a large writers group, so that also eats time. This is all when I'm able to
do things. Always in the back of my mind though is the question am I sliding
into the SCA too much? Leonarda 


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My best friend is getting into SCA lately. I used to dabble in college myself &
I was thinking of joining her. My problem is shoehorning my very well developed
personal sense of self & style into something from one era/location. I have
multichrome hair, am a life-long Goth in the modern sense, have been doing
clothes/costuming for decades, am a jewelry & prop designer, blahblahblah. To
get a visual of the problem: http://lilibat.deviantart.com/

I really want to do a GFD (cotehardie) as my everyday clothes already have the
same silhouette. Full skirts sometimes gored, fitted or bell long sleeve tops &
a fitted vest that goes down over my hips. Other styles from other periods are
not flattering on me. I have wide hips & shoulders so if you can't see my small
waist I just look awful.

The problem with 14th cen. is, er, not enough bling. I can do an awesome Cluny
belt kind of thing & beadwork on the dresses I suppose. Bohemian seems to have
more stuff on the clothes so that might work. I do love that area of Europe (CZ
& HU in general). I just need my inner magpie fed or I feel plain.

Also shoes. Why can't chopines be a little earlier? *sigh*

Any suggestions for things I should look at, might want to consider, general
suggestions on which way to turn would be greatly appreciated.  I have some silk
velvet & color shifting silk that wants to be sewn! (will get some linen too of
course, allergic to wool though.)

silk velvets and shot silk are known in the 14th century and while most of
the bling factor does come from the fabrics themselves in this century
(rich fabrics, patterns, particoloring, etc.) you can also do tons of cool
things with the hair styles and the accoutrements to same (beaded
crespinettes (SP SUCKS I KNOW) - thos things on the sides of women's heads
into which braids were stuffed, etc. They were also known to have used fake
hair to fill out their own (braid extenders, for example). We have
paintings (if not extant examples) of very over-the-top guards and borders,
color combinations that make your eyes hurt (one common favorite of the
14th century? Red and blue. Together. On Purpose); and of course,
contrasting thread colors used, and showing in the decorative stab
stitching around necklines, etc. And I have I MENTIONED the buttons and the
belts? And the tablet weaving on raw edges? And the RINGS!?!?!?!?  If you
can get your hands on a loaner copy, the book "Museum of London; Textiles
and Clothing, ca 1150-1450" is ridiculously helpful, as is its brother,
"Dress Accessories, ca. 1150-1450."

Additionally, as a proud member of the 14thCenturyMafia (also called the
One True Century) I'd be happy to privately email you my GFD directions,
talk you through the process, etc. There are some interesting differences
between modern construction and medieval construction and some of those
differences make a *gigantic* difference in how your finished dress is
going to look and fit.

That being said, HAVE FUN!! That's Rule #1 here!! AND WELCOME!!!!!

Your servant,
Alysoun Jeuneterre, O Pel.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:57 PM, lili313 <lilibat@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> My best friend is getting into SCA lately. I used to dabble in college
> myself & I was thinking of joining her. My problem is shoehorning my very
> well developed personal sense of self & style into something from one
> era/location. I have multichrome hair, am a life-long Goth in the modern
> sense, have been doing clothes/costuming for decades, am a jewelry & prop
> designer, blahblahblah. To get a visual of the problem:
> http://lilibat.deviantart.com/
>
> I really want to do a GFD (cotehardie) as my everyday clothes already have
> the same silhouette. Full skirts sometimes gored, fitted or bell long
> sleeve tops & a fitted vest that goes down over my hips. Other styles from
> other periods are not flattering on me. I have wide hips & shoulders so if
> you can't see my small waist I just look awful.
>
> The problem with 14th cen. is, er, not enough bling. I can do an awesome
> Cluny belt kind of thing & beadwork on the dresses I suppose. Bohemian
> seems to have more stuff on the clothes so that might work. I do love that
> area of Europe (CZ & HU in general). I just need my inner magpie fed or I
> feel plain.
>
> Also shoes. Why can't chopines be a little earlier? *sigh*
>
> Any suggestions for things I should look at, might want to consider,
> general suggestions on which way to turn would be greatly appreciated. I
> have some silk velvet & color shifting silk that wants to be sewn! (will
> get some linen too of course, allergic to wool though.)
>
>
>



--
"Courage is the virtue of deeds... courtesy is the virtue of language."
Baron Giovanni di Fiamma


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Elvonat! Your email address won't let me respond to your private message!

Alysoun

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Baron Giovanni di Fiamma


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--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounJ@...> wrote:
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> things with the hair styles and the accoutrements to same (beaded
> crespinettes (SP SUCKS I KNOW) - thos things on the sides of women's heads
> into which braids were stuffed, etc.
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Yeah of course my problem is if my hair is to show at all I have to get a wig. I
have long hair dyed teal/blue/purple/violet. It's been like this for years & I
am in no hurry to change it for any reason.

What is "SP"?

Thought about going outside of Europe and looking more Middle Eastern?
There is a large group who play from that area as it attached to Europe
through the silk road.



Sarah de Warenne







From: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of lili313


My best friend is getting into SCA lately. I used to dabble in college
myself & I was thinking of joining her. My problem is shoehorning my very
well developed personal sense of self & style into something from one
era/location.
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Oh!  Would you please, please send me a copy of your GFD instructions too?  I've
been trying to slowly build my 14th Century wardrobe and am having some
difficulty.  I HAVE made a GFD and am not happy with the result.  I have hips
and a waist in any other dress I put on in my mundane life, but I am a rectangle
in my GFD - somehow that doesn't seem right.  So frustrating.

I'm going to try to find the books you mentioned.  I would love to put some
patterned material in my garb, but have been nervous about doing so - so have
stuck to plain linens and MY inner magpie is crying out for bling!

Why "shoehorn"? I've been active for 7 years now and only this year decided
to be Tudor era German. Doesn't keep me from having a diverse wardrobe (to
include Indian, Japanese, Greek....) My daddy is a wealthy widower merchant
who spoils his only child with whatever his little princess's heart
desires. That's the story I spun as an excuse for my eclectic wardrobe. It
just happens to fit perfectly with my husband's persona (an agent for
privateers).
Two cents, hope they help.

Elizabet Merkel du Fuchsin
(a.k.a. Elsbet O'Donnell)
(m.k.a. Beth Hennen)


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:57 PM, lili313 <lilibat@...> wrote:

> My problem is shoehorning my very
> well developed personal sense of self & style into something from one
> era/location.
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Perfume is like salt. It's purpose is to enhance the flavor, not overwhelm
the dish.


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I need to be in that group!  To me the14th century is the most medieval of
medieval.

On another note, I'm making a GFD and it fits beautifully - except for the long
buttoned sleeves.  I have to rework those, but the bodice fit is stupendous, and
supportive at the same time - and did I mention flattering?  If you have helpful
hints on sleeve fitting I seriously need them.  So far they're too restrictive -
the gussets were in the wrong place and too small and I think the shoulder point
was drawn incorrectly.  I'm going to use the sleeve block method in the Medieval
Tailor's Assistant to re do them.  Is that a good place to start?  It's a shame
to have to discard those beautiful hand sewn button holes, but whatever.  The
sleeves have to fit properly or I can't wear the dress again!

Thanks,
Ellyn

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounJ@...> wrote:
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>
> Additionally, as a proud member of the 14thCenturyMafia (also called the
> One True Century) I'd be happy to privately email you my GFD directions,
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But, if the crispinette is bead your hair won't be as noticeable, anyway a
number of Ladies at events have had wildly colored hair and all was fine...


On Nov 8, 2012 5:08 PM, "lili313" <lilibat@...> wrote:

> Yeah of course my problem is if my hair is to show at all I have to get a
> wig. I have long hair dyed teal/blue/purple/violet. It's been like this for
> years & I am in no hurry to change it for any reason.
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This is the SCA, not a group of 200% authentic museum interpreters...  in other
words, many people will have modern hairstyles and while multicolored hair may
be at the farther end of that spectrum, I wouldn't let that stop me from doing
whatever period or country I was interested in.

I have light brown hair and a Persian persona.  I have not confined myself only
to personae where light brown hair is authentic.

If you ever get the urge to present a more completely authentic intepretation,
most periods and countries have some version of hair covering/veil/wimple for
women.

Rashid

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "lili313" <lilibat@...> wrote:
> Yeah of course my problem is if my hair is to show at all I have to get a wig.
I have long hair dyed teal/blue/purple/violet. It's been like this for years & I
am in no hurry to change it for any reason.
>
> What is "SP"?
>

1. All that SCA requires in the costume department is "an attempt at garb".
2. You do not have to shoehorn yourself into one period or country. (I
don't)

Northern Italian
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/wardrobe.htm
For some ideas. I would say that 1490s Venetian is not what you would want
as it is a high waisted gown. 1490s Florentine on the other hand has the
waistline about a quarter inch above the natural waistline

The Badenburg tapestry from the 1300s(?) show the garments with bling, just
can't find a easier way to show them as they are on Myra's website and you
have to click and scroll your way to the pics.

Sideless surcoats have the button bling going on.

Burgundian
http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/burgundian-gown.html
http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/burgundian-stuff.html
The second site is some of the bling.

Middle Eastern and Indian have the jewelry going on.

Late period for nobility has bling on the gown in most countries.

Just naming a few things.
De

My hair is pink/purple....I have never felt the need to cover it in the
SCA. Whenever I am doing something that requires a more historically
accurate look, I simply wear a wimple and veil.

Gyða


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Exactly, why?  My persona is Scottish, no particular era, and I have 'T' tunics
(mostly), Italians, Houpeland (?spelling), and more, and am currently working on
a Tudor gown.  If you want to, that's great, but what we are saying is that
there's no need to.  I'm 5' 4" fat and don't look good in anything, mundane or
society wise.  lol  I just wear what I like.

Moira of Loch Leven
aka Natalie


 
Why "shoehorn"? I've been active for 7 years now and only this year decided
to be Tudor era German. Doesn't keep me from having a diverse wardrobe
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If you did the beaded wire hair cages, you could also line the cage
with black satin. It'd shine like hair does and disguise your hair
color if you don't want it shown. A veil is usually warn over the top
of your head with those.

Grazia

Byzantine has LOTS of bling.  On one dalmatica I used over 300 potato pearls
as well as untold numbers of fresh water pearls and lapis beads.  There is
also gold embroidery which will spiff up almost anything.

Elspeth Bouchannane

I abandoned much hope in looking as good in my costumes as I did twenty years
ago, but that doesn't stop me from trying for the best.  I started in 13th
century clothing, went to Renaissance and now am back to Medieval thanks to this
group.  I rather expect that the time whose look we trying to copy had quite a
few people who didn't look great in the current fashon, but that didn't stop
them from trying if they had the resources.  Even those who didn't worked with
what they had. It's the ambiance we're trying for in the end, isn't it and
perfection of re-creating it?  People aged and lost their figures then, so why
worry about it now.  You go for the best and most authentic costumes you can and
you'll look great!  KathyAnn







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