> My apologies if you get this as a duplicate posting, but I wanted to ask
> both locally and nationally (or MORE).  What evidence do we have for
> embroidery on the vertical seams of Viking apron dresses?  Just a
> curiosity
> on my part.  Haven't really explored Viking garb much, yet am in the midst
> of making an outfit.


There are a couple of sites you try for info - The Viking Answer Lady and
Thora Sharptooth. I can't recall the urls, but a Google search should find
them. I'm pretty sure the latter has something about seam embroidery on both
Viking and Saxon garb.

Sinech.

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Check out Margo Anderson's patterns! They are a bit pricy but are designed
but go up to size 30! She actually drafts patterns that FIT which is so
rare! She also includes a ton of documentation and sewing/fitting
instructions. I LOVE these patterns!  She has Elizabethian patterns for both
men and women and just released a Tudor pattern set for women.
Miranda

www.webeweddings.com
Unique Weddings for Unique Couples


On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, jackie <bareluca7@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have any good resources for patterns in plus size or custom?
>
> My persona is 14th c. Scottish, but I'm also looking for Tudor and
> Renaissance designs just for fun.
>
> Illaire
>
>
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I can second the love for Margo Anderson's patterns, though I have found the
measurements to be larger than advertised. I am a plus-sized girl, but if I
try to make her garments based on my measurements or retail garment size I
end up making something far, far bigger than what I need. They're a good
place to start, though; just make sure you make a mock-up before you cut
into your garment fabric.

Sophie

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Shere'e <shereerobinson@...> wrote:

>
>
> Check out Margo Anderson's patterns! They are a bit pricy but are designed
> but go up to size 30! She actually drafts patterns that FIT which is so
> rare! She also includes a ton of documentation and sewing/fitting
> instructions. I LOVE these patterns! She has Elizabethian patterns for both
> men and women and just released a Tudor pattern set for women.
> Miranda
>
> www.webeweddings.com
> Unique Weddings for Unique Couples
>
>


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That period of Persian costume is not very well-researched yet.  Probably
becuase there are not a lot of resources, and what there is is hard to
interpret.  The webpage you link is not bad, but the manuscript illuminations
are probably not Persian.  They look far more like somewhwere in the Arab sphere
of influence, which admittedly did ovelap somewhat.

Additionally,(IIRC) I'm not sure that any Persian culture reached Spain at that
point except what had been rather thoroughly absorbed and assimilated by the
Arabs, which would include lots more literature and calligraphy than clothing.

Rashid

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "vettorvenier" <vettorvenier@...> wrote:
>
.  My persona will be a Muladi, or ethnically-Iberian converted to Islam, and
they were known to mash up "Euro" style and culture with what the invaders
brought, so, combining this with the fact that Ziryab brought Persian culture
and clothing to Al-Andlausin the mid-800s, I thought, lacking any direct
sources, I would look to early Persian clothing as an inspiration.
>
> That's been more difficult than I anticipated.  I found this page:
>
> http://www.windchild.net/pre-mongal_persian.htm
>

Hi;



In regards to scottish.......

Look into basic jumpers (square neck, empire waist and slight gathers around
waist) in your size.   You'd make the basic jumper as they direct you, BUT cut
the center of the front of the dress.   You can then add loops for the front
bodice.   Scotish don't do the front of the bodice really tight, but only
slightly, so you can make the top as tight as you want.  I have made alot of
these styles and love to where them.





As Always,
Yours in Service to the Dream, Forever,

Sarah Elizabeth

                          "Great Minds discuss Ideas,
                                Average Minds discuss Events,
                                        Small Minds discuss PEOPLE!"

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To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
From: bareluca7@...
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 01:23:40 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Plus size/custom patterns





Does anyone have any good resources for patterns in plus size or custom?

My persona is 14th c. Scottish, but I'm also looking for Tudor and Renaissance
designs just for fun.

Illaire





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Hello Dave
Talk to Dame Angele in Twin Moons and have her email you her fool proof tunic
pattern.  Even better, take her class when it is offered.
Hope this helps
Ratiri

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I have several machines (ok too many!) including a used computerized Bernina
quilting machine that is the Aurora precursor bought off Ebay for a great price.
It does button holes, came with a ton of attachments and will do blind hemming
but you have to be a little careful threading it.
My favorite for sewing garb (and gambesons and fixing horse blankets) is my 45
year old Singer Touch and Sew which as the other lady mentioned is likely to
outlive me and I quilt using a 1939 singer Featherweight which will sew anything
but needs an attachment to do zigzag or buttonholes.  I also like the Singer
301.  Solid machines that you can service yourself with parts and instruction
manuals readily available should you find one you like at a yard sale or on
ebay.  I recommend them and the other basic brands.  If you want to sew garb and
stuff like that, Bernina makes the Bernette which is a less technical machine. 
I have also sewn on Husqvarna, Pfaff, Brother, Janome and Kenmore and they work
well.
Buy the right size needles for your project and replace them when they start to
go blunt.  Watch where your needles are made, as lately many are coming from
places like Indonesia and they bend, break, flake the chrome and snag your
fabric. Brazil is good and US, England or Germany is better. Buy good thread. 
Do not try to use the old thread on the wooden spools that you might have found
at a yard sale.  It will just break constantly and drive you crazy.  Thread has
a shelf life especially if it is out in the room where light gets to it.  Get a
Sidewinder to wind bobbins without having to do it on the machine.  Service the
machine regularly, and most will sew for years.
Hope this helps
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I just wanted to quickly thank everyone who has been replying! I am so thankful
that you are all so informative, friendly, and helpful! I look forward to
getting to know you all!

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Jessi B" <jub122678@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> My sons and I are trying to connect with local sca right now, and know that
for the meetings we must have garb on. curious as to what status we are trying
to uphold, should we dress in only peasant gear? or can we dress more upscale?
>
> what websites do you use for finding materials, etc, anything would be helpful
for us!
>
> I am trying to get fabric and beads on freecycle, but currently not having any
luck, and we are on a very tight budget.
>
> oh, photos would help too!
>
> thanks!
>
> jess from janesville wisconsin
>

My vote:  Older Singer machines, especially the 403.  They are all-metal
and have zigzag, reverse and not a lot else, but you can drop them off
the roof and they will still sew.  My mother went out and bought 6 or 8
of them for her jr. high school art class sewing lessons in the 70s and
as far as I know they are still sewing.  Just my US .02,

Edwinna

diane neuman wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have a number of machines- but hands down my favorites are the older
> all metal type machines.
>
> (snip)
>
> My next purchases will be a good old Singer ... and likely another
> Necchi vintage.  But, I like the machines I feel comfortable taking
> apart and putting back together..
>
> Diane(tx)
>
>
>

Check out Urtatims site
http://home.earthlink.net/~lilinah/courtyard.html<http://home.earthlink.net/~lil\
inah/courtyard.html>
she and Rashid are great resources. There is also an SCA Persian yahoo group
Hope this helps
Ratiri in Arizona

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Hi;

Try "T'ger Togs" who is a great Gulf Wars merchant (but I think he also, goes to
Pensic, Estrella, Lillies, etc to merchant)  His e-mail is tgertogs.com and he
is a specialist in pants and tights, and my understanding is that they are very
comfortable, great to rapier fighting in, confortable enough to work in, and
don't fad or "bunch"    (all of these things are observations and from talking
to Capt'n Hawk of La Grand Companiya.   He loves them!)



Anyways, check it out!







As Always,
Yours in Service to the Dream, Forever,

Sarah Elizabeth

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                                Average Minds discuss Events,
                                        Small Minds discuss PEOPLE!"

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To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
From: eldwin@...
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 01:33:18 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Indestructible men's tights





What are some very strong tights, and how does a man choose a woman's size? I
want ones with full coverage from waist to toe.

My primary persona is Renaissance, and when I used to be active in the SCA I
wore tights most of the time. I'm starting to get involved again, and need some
refreshing. Even though I'm male, I wore women's Danskin tights because they
were virtually indestructible--I went through high brush and carried hay bales
and dug holes, sometimes put them on when I hadn't trimmed my toe nails short,
etc., and never got a run.





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Check out the archives and online files and such from the 12th c. garb
list--http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12thcenturygarb/

The reason you're seeing different veils is because that's what's in the period
sources. Personally, the wraparound linen veil I wear is 22"x80", that seems to
be a good workable length. The fringed wool shawl which I also wear as a veil is
a little wider and a little longer, but still a good length.

For a round veil, about 24"-28" in diameter seems to be common.

Margaret FitzWilliam
Nordskogen, Northshield

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Madeleine D" <madeleinedelacroix@...> wrote:
>
> I have been working on late 12th century garb, or should I say trying to glean
info from the net to gain a general idea of what a 12th century English
noblewoman would have worn...it seems to depend on who the person got their info
from...lol...trying to make a few new veils, but have no idea as to what the
actually length should be(look at 4 different images, you get 4 different
lengths) and I am going with a barbette instead of a wimple, because once again,
no concise idea of what should be worn on the head...but making a few tunics for
my youngest as I have promised to take him to a few events this year with me...
>
> Lady Alice de Hayroun aka Madeleine
> Shire of Briaroak,Principality of the Summits, Kingdom of An Tir

Hi;



Welcome back!



I know how it is to be sick, but also having to keep up with a child!  (I have
been there for 8 yrs after having my daughter at 42.)



OK, start looking at yard sales, flea markets and thrift stores for bedding.  
Try to find cotton sheets and pillow cases.

A really quick tunic for your daughter is the take a pillow case and fold it in
long way (so that the opening corners are together) at the other end, cut a half
circle out of the center top.    On the other side (away from the neck circle) 
have your child either lay down on the pillow case or use one of her t-shirt to
make the arms and then cut towards the bottom edge (the opening edge of the
pillow case) and make it flare out like a A-shaped.  Sew it inside out on the
edges and add any trim that you'd like to dress it up.   Add a belt and
WA-LAAAA.... insta tunic!   (My daughter used to wear these all the time, until
she out grew them)





The cotton sheets.....

fold then in half top to bottom, and then in half again side to side.   When you
have it this way, then follow the directions for the tunic above.

One of my first underdresses that I made after coming back in after 7 years, was
made out of a cotton blend (that looked like linen) and it had lace on it.  
When I cut the sides out, i then took the lace and put it on the sleeves and
then beaded it (as I am a beadworker) I still use it and usse ti when i teach my
class.   I love it!



Anyways I hope this helps





As Always,
Yours in Service to the Dream, Forever,

Sarah Elizabeth

                          "Great Minds discuss Ideas,
                                Average Minds discuss Events,
                                        Small Minds discuss PEOPLE!"

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                                                        Viscountess Krysta of
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To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
From: lisavo2002@...
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:26:54 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Wanting to come back.





Hi I'm Lisa back in 2002 i was just getting in to the SCA i live in oklahoma. I
got very sick and have been sick for about 7-8 years now.
It looks like things are starting to turn around. I would like to get back to
going to events I have a 4 year old little girl now and i think she would love
it. We dont have alot of money does anyone have tips or ideas on how we can get
some Garb? i can sew a little. Any ideas or help would be great. Thanks for the
time of reading this. Lisa





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Oh, Hun;



I don't know what style it is that they want, but I think that the linens would
be great as long as it is lose, for the heat issue.   Puffy pants (so that the
air moves) are great and you can make them not as puffy if that is an issue.



Also, feel the "rough, course" material as I got some material that looks really
rough, but it is sooooooooo wonderful and soft.    It was cheap and so I picked
up a large amount and have made tunics for 2-3 people and they were so shocked
at how soft it is.  When I first looked at it, I was going to "poo-poo" it away,
but I am so glad I am a "touchy feely" person and had to touch it!



Just check and feel material!



As Always,
Yours in Service to the Dream, Forever,

Sarah Elizabeth

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                                Average Minds discuss Events,
                                        Small Minds discuss PEOPLE!"

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To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
From: costumeraz1@...
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Garbing the teenager and his dad!





Hello,

The weeks are flying by and still I've not garbed those guys, but then with
school and work and such.who has time?

Anyway, since I last brought up the issue of garbing my teen, we've made
some progress in getting these guys to make some decisions and I'm going to
get started come heck or high water. We're going to do Bocksten-style
tunics and simple, pull-on pants. These guys will have to be eased slowly
into the idea of period-correct underwear and leggings and all of that, but
at least their tunics will be decent.

We are in Arizona and I'm debating which fabrics to cut. I've got linens
and wools. I know that for the tunic wool would be more period, if it's an
appropriate wool, but I'm not sure these guys can handle that idea.

I've seen comments on-line about beginners thinking that they need to use
really coarse fabrics and I've chuckled because I've got some of those
coarse linens that I'd love to use up. With our summer heat, I'm thinking
that, coarse or not, those linens would be good for tunics.

The teenager has declared a preference for black, no surprise considering
his mundane wardrobe. I know that from a dyeing perspective, black was
difficult in period, but to please the teen it shall be black.

Time to head for the studio and find a starting point on all of this stuff.

Laurie T.

Phoenix

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Hi;

Where are you located?
I am in Northern Tennessee, In the Kingdom of the Meridies and if you are near
I'd be happy to help you.

There is all kinds of sites that have ideas.

Here's just one on Pre-Mongolian: 
http://www.windchild.net/pre-mongal_persian.htm

If you look at the tunics and get ideas.   The coats, on the sleeves, you could
easily put fur and/or leather along with down the front.



I hope this helps alittle.


As Always,
Yours in Service to the Dream, Forever,

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To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
From: churchtherock@...
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 21:15:08 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Looking for son's birthday presents on here





Hopefully someone can help me. My son is a part of a Guard group here. That does
demos around the area. He is at one today, all he has is a sheild, sasha dn
weapons. I am looking for some garb for him to wear. He is a size 4x. right now,
still losing. I am not sure what he needs. One of his frineds has a pirate type
of clothes. My son says he is more a Barbain in the group. He is to wear blues,
browns, blacks,. SOme leather and fur. If anyone has anything like this in his
size I am interested his birthday is the end of June. Or if you have patterns
that I can make him some.
Also interested in patterns or clothes for myself. His friends have got me
starting in the group too. I am size 3xl. Or I would also be interested in
dclothes for me.





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hello all,
does any one k now anything about  hand crank sewing machines  and treddle
tables?
  my mother in law got me a 1940's singer hand crank that works like a charm, and
i told her i would  find it a matching treddle for it. as of yet i haddn't found
one, then she calls me and says she just picked up a very nice new home treddle
desk. (moment to sqeel a little) ( recover)
  my question is does any one know if the singer will fit in a new home desk or
not? i'll try to remember to up load pics of both as i dont know if seeing the
modles will make any difference. i have the machine. mom still has the desk...
im trying not to get my hopes up to much at this point...

yis,
Lady Maggie O'connor
Briar Oak,
summits, Antir In Oregon.

Looking to make some garb and can't seem to find patterns anywhere...I don't
have the money to go buy commercial patterns and looking for something for the
beginner...I am looking for....
Wench gathered skirt pattern
easy bodice/corset pattern


thanks
Elena

You really need to check out Drea's websitehttp://www.elizabethancostume.net/

Corset pattern http://www.elizabethancostume.net/corsets/pattern.html
Bodice Pattern (uses corset pattern)
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/index.html
Skirt pattern (has a waistband, but is easy)
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/petticoat.html#make


  ~Trish
http://www.trishstuff.com





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From: AvriC <lil420pixie@...>
To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 3:52:38 AM
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Need some help


Looking to make some garb and can't seem to find patterns anywhere...I don't
have the money to go buy commercial patterns and looking for something for the
beginner...I am looking for....
Wench gathered skirt pattern
easy bodice/corset pattern

thanks
Elena







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http://www.elizabethancostume.net/
is the place to start.  She has several pages on drafting a corset pattern to
fit *you* (rather than some mythical person that the commercial patterns use). 
She also has how to make petticoats and kirtles (bodice & skirt sewn together),
and, well, a gob of other cool Elizabethan stuff.

Some notes on the corset patterns- several of them mention taking 2" off your
bust & waist measurements to squish properly... take your frame and weight into
account for this one.  Some people have more to squish than that, others have
less.  Make a mockup in denim or something (not light muslin!) before making
your final one.  Also, your waist is probably higher than you think, and a
corset that is too long at the back/sides is quite uncomfortable...

If you can grab an experienced SCAdian sewer for help with fitting (because the
paper pattern you create will probably need some tweaking), that would be the
best.  And don't let people tell you that Elizabethans are too hard for
beginners- that's where I started!

-Kat Ferneley


________________________________
From: AvriC <lil420pixie@...>
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Need some help

 
Looking to make some garb and can't seem to find patterns anywhere...I don't
have the money to go buy commercial patterns and looking for something for the
beginner...I am looking for....
Wench gathered skirt pattern
easy bodice/corset pattern

thanks
Elena




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have you tried men's wrestling tights?

Aine : )

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "eldwin_nightowl" <eldwin@...> wrote:
>
> What are some very strong tights, and how does a man choose a woman's size? I
want ones with full coverage from waist to toe.
>
> My primary persona is Renaissance, and when I used to be active in the SCA I
wore tights most of the time. I'm starting to get involved again, and need some
refreshing. Even though I'm male, I wore women's Danskin tights because they
were virtually indestructible--I went through high brush and carried hay bales
and dug holes, sometimes put them on when I hadn't trimmed my toe nails short,
etc., and never got a run.
>

Greetings my lady,
I believe if you look in the Knowne Worlde Handbook you might find some help
with what you are looking for.
where have you looked up until now? If you will give me some ideas as to the
sites you have gone to, then I might be able to clarify some of the
directions for you.
Lady Emelye O'Mulvany, Grimwithshire; Kingdom of Antir.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Tara Overhultz <elysant@...> wrote:

>
>
> Greetings -
>
> I am usually a lurker here, learning an amazing amount just by reading :o)
> However, I now need some help. I have a friend who is looking to make a 15c
> Jerkin style vest/waistcoat. Neither of us are very good at drafting our
> own pattern ( I can usually do so if I have good directions (although
> things
> like armseye elude my abilities). I'm just wondering if anyone out there
> has any ideas of where I could look to find this sort of thing. :O) Thank
> you so much!!!
>
> Lady Elisant von Zweibrucken
>
> Barony of Caerthe
>
> Kingdom of the Outlands
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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laurie, I think that the embroidery on Viking garb was to make certain that
the seams stay shut after washing as sometimes they had a tendancy to ravel.
just my thoughts.  Emelye O'Mulvany.....Antir

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Laurie Taylor <costumeraz1@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> My apologies if you get this as a duplicate posting, but I wanted to ask
> both locally and nationally (or MORE). What evidence do we have for
> embroidery on the vertical seams of Viking apron dresses? Just a curiosity
> on my part. Haven't really explored Viking garb much, yet am in the midst
> of making an outfit.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Laurie T.
>
> Phoenix
>
> Persona TBD
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Hi, have you tried winging it?  I'm a + size too and I usually do my own
costuming.  Do you have a copy of the Knowne Worlde Handbook?
If you take a look in there you will see how to modify any mundane pattern.
Is this for a guy or a lady? Holler at me with more details of what you
need, n I'll see if i can help.
emelye O'mulvany...............Grimwithshire/AnTir

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:23 PM, jackie <bareluca7@...> wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone have any good resources for patterns in plus size or custom?
>
> My persona is 14th c. Scottish, but I'm also looking for Tudor and
> Renaissance designs just for fun.
>
> Illaire
>
>
>


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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has a pattern or instructions on how to make an easy
elizabethan dress for a beginner...I think I am going with a persona in 1530
England and would like to attempt some garb...Not sure where to begin..I have
made a Chemise and a Petticoat (but want to add gathers somehow so it can be
raised into a wenches skirt) would like something for a few day dresses or
bodices...

Thanks
Elena

Also, make your bodice and skirt in the same color -- the same fabric if at all
possible.  There are very few pictures that break this rule in SCA Period.

The "wench" style is based mainly on clothes from the 1500's in England, France,
Flanders, and nearby lands, so you can look at paintings and sketches of peasant
and working women's clothes from that time-frame if you need ideas for colors or
decorating them.  The link people already gave you really is the best place to
start.

Good luck!
Gillian Tedcastle


--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "AvriC" <lil420pixie@...> wrote:
>
> Looking to make some garb and can't seem to find patterns anywhere...I don't
have the money to go buy commercial patterns and looking for something for the
beginner...I am looking for....
> Wench gathered skirt pattern
> easy bodice/corset pattern
>
>
> thanks
> Elena
>

Hi,



Thanks for that thought.  That's a very good point, though I've yet to find
anything in what's available on-line to indicated that a decorative stitch
was used for that very practical purpose.  All I've really seen for seam
edge protection was the edge turned under and stitched with a running
stitch, either on the interior only, or through all layers to the outside.



I may do the decorative stitches just because I like the idea, but am
curious about any evidence for decorative stitches having really been used
on the seams, on the outside.  I may never know since it's not really a
critical issue, but it's interesting.



Laurie



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From: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cyndy Maute
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:13 PM
To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb] Question re: Viking garb





laurie, I think that the embroidery on Viking garb was to make certain that
the seams stay shut after washing as sometimes they had a tendancy to ravel.
just my thoughts. Emelye O'Mulvany.....Antir

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Laurie Taylor <costumeraz1@...
<mailto:costumeraz1%40gmail.com> >wrote:

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>
> Hi,
>
> My apologies if you get this as a duplicate posting, but I wanted to ask
> both locally and nationally (or MORE). What evidence do we have for
> embroidery on the vertical seams of Viking apron dresses? Just a curiosity
> on my part. Haven't really explored Viking garb much, yet am in the midst
> of making an outfit.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Laurie T.
>
> Phoenix
>
> Persona TBD
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>
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>

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Hello all,

A friend of mine is getting into the SCA and as a welcome present to him I've
offered to make his first set of garb.

That said, he's chosen to be a Spanish Moor circa 1310.

Is there someone out there in the SCA community currently doing a Moor persona?

I try to be as accurate as possible and so far I only have a few period
paintings to go on.
http://moors.argmaur.org/Chess_Moors.jpeg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Yahy%C3%A2_ibn_Mahm%C3%BBd_al\
-W%C3%A2sit%C3%AE_005.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IbnBattuta.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Maler_der_Geschichte_von_Bay%\
C3%A2d_und_Riy%C3%A2d_002.jpg

My major question is are these caftans lined or are they one solid piece of
fabric? What did these guys wear underneath for that matter...chemise...pants
and so on (the one picture looks like they are wearing some sort of leg
wrappings....how does that work?)

Also, footwear. Looks like pointed slippers from the pictures, but this really
isn't my specialty so I figured I'd ask.

Anyway I appreciate whatever information you can send my way. I'm pretty new to
the SCA myself and so I'm always looking to learn something new. Thanks in
advance.

-Fede Berrecci

Firstly, you will want to check out "Al-Andalus", the group for Moorish Spain:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al_Andalus/?yguid=158740821

Of the pics you link, the first one is from King Alfonso's Libro de los Juegos
(Book of Games) and that makes it Morrish Spain 1283 (which for this purpose is
probably as close as you will get).  The other links are probably Egyptian or
Baghdadi manuscripts.  The period may be close, but you won't get any
specifically Moorish Spain details.

Here is a link for more of "book of Games": 
http://games.rengeekcentral.com/tcintro.html

Many of the images are of white Christians, and many are Arabs, but there are
some Moors.  I wouldn't be surprised if there were some images of Jews in there
also, but I don't know how to decode the hats for this culture.  The moors are
on this page: http://games.rengeekcentral.com/prblms/F22R.html

I'm pretty sure the two in turbans are men and the others are women.  The men
seem to be wearing very sheer linen or gauze undertunics and one has an ovetunic
of opaque fabric.  They have turbans worn over hats and very sheer scarves
wrapped around their necks.  They are probably wearing gauze pants, but I can't
tell for sure, and one does seem to have slightly pointed slippers like they
typical European shoe of the era.

I would use this Egyptian pattern for the tunic: 
http://www.feoragdubh.eastkingdom.org/Patterns/Timotheos-45-layout.gif

either of these for pants:
http://www.feoragdubh.eastkingdom.org/Nutshell_2004-05/nab_bishop_pants_tunic.ht\
m

http://www.feoragdubh.eastkingdom.org/Patterns/salwar.gif

Rashid

--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "clevername66" <clevername6@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I try to be as accurate as possible and so far I only have a few period
paintings to go on.
> http://moors.argmaur.org/Chess_Moors.jpeg
>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Yahy%C3%A2_ibn_Mahm%C3%BBd_al\
-W%C3%A2sit%C3%AE_005.jpg
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IbnBattuta.jpg
>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Maler_der_Geschichte_von_Bay%\
C3%A2d_und_Riy%C3%A2d_002.jpg
>
> My major question is are these caftans lined or are they one solid piece of
fabric? What did these guys wear underneath for that matter...chemise...pants
and so on (the one picture looks like they are wearing some sort of leg
wrappings....how does that work?)
>
> Also, footwear. Looks like pointed slippers from the pictures, but this really
isn't my specialty so I figured I'd ask.
>

I would also suggest ssmideastguild@yahoogroups.com.  I know at least one of the
members there is an Andalusian Moor.

Azzah

Sayyidah 'Azzah bint al-Badawi al-Murabbiyyah al-Rualliyyah (pending) and Aziza
Shattered Crystal, Midrealm
http://www.amentaah.com/sca/sca_home.html
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Can anyone direct me to online pictures that show back views of sideless
surcotes? I'm in the process of cutting one out, and it occurred to me to
wonder whether the back neckline should be cut relatively deeply to match
the front (and the neckline of the cote underneath it), or higher, or
whether it doesn't matter.

Sinech.

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