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#32573 From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:34 am
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
taslen2000
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One thing we could definitely do would be to post the calendar of archery events for the season I know that the Eastwatch group in Cleveland has a weekly practice and that could be a on going listing. How often will the newsletter be published?  I will start putting together a database of the articles in the "Bodkins Point" and the authors I take it we would then need "permission to publish"?

Gaelen



From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
What will the submission process be for SCA members who wish to submit items to the newsletter site? 

Other than historical reference pieces will we also see pieces about shooting techniques and tools, shoot designs used throughout our current SCA community, events, and highlights of our groups and individuals across the lands? 


Marie

On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

 
I do not know as yet.  I will ask. 

Jon


From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 3:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Would the newsletter support "links" to say online videos?

Gaelen



From: Frank Schalles <francisschalles@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Sir Jon and SCA  Archers!

I feel this is a very worthy endeavor, therefore I will throw in my name to help in whatever manner
I can for the promotion of Archery. May I suggest starting an informal Archery newsletter committee
to steer the first edition layout, logos, guidelines, etc? If there is someone who now publishes a local
newsletter to guide us, I would be happy to do the leg work.

I have been building arrows from bare shafts, spine testing, matching, and tuning which could be a
series of articles, also I have been building "board bows" from buying the boards to the tillering process,
and this also could be a series of articles.

Yours In Service,
Ld. Francois de Lions
Deputy Target Archery Marshal
Barony of Bonwicke,
Kingdom of Ansteorra

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:42 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:


I have learned that the BoD is considering acting on a request I sent then last July. This request was to set up the sca electronic newsletter site to allow society wide newsletters for the various SCA activities such as martial, arts and sciences and service, etc.  Of particular interest to us is an archery newsletter. This is in addition to the supplemental newsletters that kingdoms can put out. Changes will have to be made to the web site to allow this to be done. 

So, since this is likely to happen, we should consider what the archery community can do make this work. We will need a group to manage and edit the newsletter and to encourage submissions to it. It can have information on archery events,current scores for society wide competitions, short useful bits of information and reviews of suppliers and books as well as articles, photos and archery art. And anything else that would be appropriate. It would contain both target archery and combat archery information.  The information in such a newsletter would be useful to many archers and could also demonstrate a sense of archery community. 

I hope we have some people in this group that are interested in working on such a project. I can provide some articles for it.  However, I have no background in publishing newsletters. 

Please crosspost this to any local archery groups and give them subscription information for this group. 

Jon











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Change is a function of the Universe, embrace it.





#32574 From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:54 am
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
marieann72
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A few of the baronies in Illinois also have regular practices. Could be a great listing for anyone traveling to other areas. Pop in for a practice, meet other archers.  A tidbit for the traveling archer.

Marie

On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Taslen <taslen2000@...> wrote:

 

One thing we could definitely do would be to post the calendar of archery events for the season I know that the Eastwatch group in Cleveland has a weekly practice and that could be a on going listing. How often will the newsletter be published?  I will start putting together a database of the articles in the "Bodkins Point" and the authors I take it we would then need "permission to publish"?

Gaelen



From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
What will the submission process be for SCA members who wish to submit items to the newsletter site? 

Other than historical reference pieces will we also see pieces about shooting techniques and tools, shoot designs used throughout our current SCA community, events, and highlights of our groups and individuals across the lands? 


Marie

On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

 
I do not know as yet.  I will ask. 

Jon


From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 3:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Would the newsletter support "links" to say online videos?

Gaelen



From: Frank Schalles <francisschalles@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Sir Jon and SCA  Archers!

I feel this is a very worthy endeavor, therefore I will throw in my name to help in whatever manner
I can for the promotion of Archery. May I suggest starting an informal Archery newsletter committee
to steer the first edition layout, logos, guidelines, etc? If there is someone who now publishes a local
newsletter to guide us, I would be happy to do the leg work.

I have been building arrows from bare shafts, spine testing, matching, and tuning which could be a
series of articles, also I have been building "board bows" from buying the boards to the tillering process,
and this also could be a series of articles.

Yours In Service,
Ld. Francois de Lions
Deputy Target Archery Marshal
Barony of Bonwicke,
Kingdom of Ansteorra

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:42 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:


I have learned that the BoD is considering acting on a request I sent then last July. This request was to set up the sca electronic newsletter site to allow society wide newsletters for the various SCA activities such as martial, arts and sciences and service, etc.  Of particular interest to us is an archery newsletter. This is in addition to the supplemental newsletters that kingdoms can put out. Changes will have to be made to the web site to allow this to be done. 

So, since this is likely to happen, we should consider what the archery community can do make this work. We will need a group to manage and edit the newsletter and to encourage submissions to it. It can have information on archery events,current scores for society wide competitions, short useful bits of information and reviews of suppliers and books as well as articles, photos and archery art. And anything else that would be appropriate. It would contain both target archery and combat archery information.  The information in such a newsletter would be useful to many archers and could also demonstrate a sense of archery community. 

I hope we have some people in this group that are interested in working on such a project. I can provide some articles for it.  However, I have no background in publishing newsletters. 

Please crosspost this to any local archery groups and give them subscription information for this group. 

Jon











--
Change is a function of the Universe, embrace it.





#32575 From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:08 am
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
sirjonfitzrauf
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I would hope that the answer would be yes to all of those suggestions. 

Jon


From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 3:54:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 

What will the submission process be for SCA members who wish to submit items to the newsletter site? 

Other than historical reference pieces will we also see pieces about shooting techniques and tools, shoot designs used throughout our current SCA community, events, and highlights of our groups and individuals across the lands? 


Marie

On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

 

I do not know as yet.  I will ask. 

Jon


From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 3:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 

Would the newsletter support "links" to say online videos?

Gaelen



From: Frank Schalles <francisschalles@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Sir Jon and SCA  Archers!

I feel this is a very worthy endeavor, therefore I will throw in my name to help in whatever manner
I can for the promotion of Archery. May I suggest starting an informal Archery newsletter committee
to steer the first edition layout, logos, guidelines, etc? If there is someone who now publishes a local
newsletter to guide us, I would be happy to do the leg work.

I have been building arrows from bare shafts, spine testing, matching, and tuning which could be a
series of articles, also I have been building "board bows" from buying the boards to the tillering process,
and this also could be a series of articles.

Yours In Service,
Ld. Francois de Lions
Deputy Target Archery Marshal
Barony of Bonwicke,
Kingdom of Ansteorra

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:42 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:


I have learned that the BoD is considering acting on a request I sent then last July. This request was to set up the sca electronic newsletter site to allow society wide newsletters for the various SCA activities such as martial, arts and sciences and service, etc.  Of particular interest to us is an archery newsletter. This is in addition to the supplemental newsletters that kingdoms can put out. Changes will have to be made to the web site to allow this to be done. 

So, since this is likely to happen, we should consider what the archery community can do make this work. We will need a group to manage and edit the newsletter and to encourage submissions to it. It can have information on archery events,current scores for society wide competitions, short useful bits of information and reviews of suppliers and books as well as articles, photos and archery art. And anything else that would be appropriate. It would contain both target archery and combat archery information.  The information in such a newsletter would be useful to many archers and could also demonstrate a sense of archery community. 

I hope we have some people in this group that are interested in working on such a project. I can provide some articles for it.  However, I have no background in publishing newsletters. 

Please crosspost this to any local archery groups and give them subscription information for this group. 

Jon











--
Change is a function of the Universe, embrace it.



#32576 From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:10 am
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
sirjonfitzrauf
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How often it will be published would be up to the editor and staff and the amount of material submitted. 

Jon


From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 4:34:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 

One thing we could definitely do would be to post the calendar of archery events for the season I know that the Eastwatch group in Cleveland has a weekly practice and that could be a on going listing. How often will the newsletter be published?  I will start putting together a database of the articles in the "Bodkins Point" and the authors I take it we would then need "permission to publish"?

Gaelen



From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
What will the submission process be for SCA members who wish to submit items to the newsletter site? 

Other than historical reference pieces will we also see pieces about shooting techniques and tools, shoot designs used throughout our current SCA community, events, and highlights of our groups and individuals across the lands? 


Marie

On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

 
I do not know as yet.  I will ask. 

Jon


From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 3:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Would the newsletter support "links" to say online videos?

Gaelen



From: Frank Schalles <francisschalles@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Sir Jon and SCA  Archers!

I feel this is a very worthy endeavor, therefore I will throw in my name to help in whatever manner
I can for the promotion of Archery. May I suggest starting an informal Archery newsletter committee
to steer the first edition layout, logos, guidelines, etc? If there is someone who now publishes a local
newsletter to guide us, I would be happy to do the leg work.

I have been building arrows from bare shafts, spine testing, matching, and tuning which could be a
series of articles, also I have been building "board bows" from buying the boards to the tillering process,
and this also could be a series of articles.

Yours In Service,
Ld. Francois de Lions
Deputy Target Archery Marshal
Barony of Bonwicke,
Kingdom of Ansteorra

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:42 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:


I have learned that the BoD is considering acting on a request I sent then last July. This request was to set up the sca electronic newsletter site to allow society wide newsletters for the various SCA activities such as martial, arts and sciences and service, etc.  Of particular interest to us is an archery newsletter. This is in addition to the supplemental newsletters that kingdoms can put out. Changes will have to be made to the web site to allow this to be done. 

So, since this is likely to happen, we should consider what the archery community can do make this work. We will need a group to manage and edit the newsletter and to encourage submissions to it. It can have information on archery events,current scores for society wide competitions, short useful bits of information and reviews of suppliers and books as well as articles, photos and archery art. And anything else that would be appropriate. It would contain both target archery and combat archery information.  The information in such a newsletter would be useful to many archers and could also demonstrate a sense of archery community. 

I hope we have some people in this group that are interested in working on such a project. I can provide some articles for it.  However, I have no background in publishing newsletters. 

Please crosspost this to any local archery groups and give them subscription information for this group. 

Jon











--
Change is a function of the Universe, embrace it.





#32577 From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:31 am
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
ld_blackmoon
Send Email Send Email
 

greetings
 
might possibly try a seasonal list of where when practices / events are held , so that travelers could stop in and shoot with different groups , or events .
or possibly contact info for different areas , so travelers could check to see if something was going to be going on at the same time and place they were traveling to or through ..
 
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Taslen
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 

One thing we could definitely do would be to post the calendar of archery events for the season I know that the Eastwatch group in Cleveland has a weekly practice and that could be a on going listing. How often will the newsletter be published?  I will start putting together a database of the articles in the "Bodkins Point" and the authors I take it we would then need "permission to publish"?

Gaelen



From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
What will the submission process be for SCA members who wish to submit items to the newsletter site? 

Other than historical reference pieces will we also see pieces about shooting techniques and tools, shoot designs used throughout our current SCA community, events, and highlights of our groups and individuals across the lands? 


Marie

On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

 
I do not know as yet.  I will ask. 

Jon


From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 3:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Would the newsletter support "links" to say online videos?

Gaelen



From: Frank Schalles <francisschalles@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] SCA wide archery newsletter?

 
Sir Jon and SCA  Archers!

I feel this is a very worthy endeavor, therefore I will throw in my name to help in whatever manner
I can for the promotion of Archery. May I suggest starting an informal Archery newsletter committee
to steer the first edition layout, logos, guidelines, etc? If there is someone who now publishes a local
newsletter to guide us, I would be happy to do the leg work.

I have been building arrows from bare shafts, spine testing, matching, and tuning which could be a
series of articles, also I have been building "board bows" from buying the boards to the tillering process,
and this also could be a series of articles.

Yours In Service,
Ld. Francois de Lions
Deputy Target Archery Marshal
Barony of Bonwicke,
Kingdom of Ansteorra

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:42 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:


I have learned that the BoD is considering acting on a request I sent then last July. This request was to set up the sca electronic newsletter site to allow society wide newsletters for the various SCA activities such as martial, arts and sciences and service, etc.  Of particular interest to us is an archery newsletter. This is in addition to the supplemental newsletters that kingdoms can put out. Changes will have to be made to the web site to allow this to be done. 

So, since this is likely to happen, we should consider what the archery community can do make this work. We will need a group to manage and edit the newsletter and to encourage submissions to it. It can have information on archery events,current scores for society wide competitions, short useful bits of information and reviews of suppliers and books as well as articles, photos and archery art. And anything else that would be appropriate. It would contain both target archery and combat archery information.  The information in such a newsletter would be useful to many archers and could also demonstrate a sense of archery community. 

I hope we have some people in this group that are interested in working on such a project. I can provide some articles for it.  However, I have no background in publishing newsletters. 

Please crosspost this to any local archery groups and give them subscription information for this group. 

Jon











--
Change is a function of the Universe, embrace it.




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#32578 From: Randal of Camusfearna <randal_of_camusfearna@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:49 am
Subject: Re: Grand Archery Tourney, Canton of Hawks Haven
randal_of_ca...
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Please forgive my cross-posting of this reminder of our upcoming event:
 
Saturday, January 19, 2013
Grand Archery TourneyCanton of Hawks Haven (Morgan Hill, CA)
 
The Canton of Hawks Haven summons and invites all archers and crossbowmen to our annual Medieval Archery Tournament! Test your skills against the best archers of the West Kingdom. Honor, infamy and prizes await those who are the top shot. Those residents of Darkwood who wish to vie for that coveted honor of “The Hood” (Baronial Archery Company) may also compete. Prizes will be awarded to the three highest scores in each bracket.  Competitions may include IKAC, Royal Round, Seasonal Challenge and IKCAC.
 
We also invite the legendary chefs and bakers of the West Kingdom to come and compete in A Taste of Hawks Haven: The Grand Cullinary Competition. Prepare your most delicious period dish and bring it for the populous to taste and vote on. Glory and prizes await the one who can create the most epic and delicious dish!  Please note, there are no cooking or dish washing facilities on site.
 
Site Information: Machado School, at 15130 Sycamore Drive, Morgan Hill,CA 95037-9699.
 
Event Hours: 9am-6pm, Tournament begins at 11am
 
Site Fee: is $8 (+$5 Non Member Surcharge)
 
Autocrat: Aine inghean Tuathail ui Ghallehobhair (Aine Winklebleck), carnelianrose@...
 
Directions: Take Highway 101 to the Tennant Ave exit in Morgan Hill. If you are northbound on 101, turn left and cross the overpass. If you are
southbound, turn right on Tennant. Tennant becomes Edmundson when you cross Monterey Road. Turn left on Sunnyside. Turn right on Sycamore.
Machado School is on the left after you cross a narrow bridge.
 
We hope to see you there!
 
YIS, Randal of Camusfearna

#32579 From: Samuel <archer17402@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:06 am
Subject: I need help with a coaching problem
samwise12345...
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Recently I was at a local indoor range.  While there I started chatting
with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow.  It had
bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about.  These
bruises were "a few days old".  I recommended that she twist the elbow
out of the way like other female archers have to do.  She complained
that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable.  I then
suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
the shoulder.  This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".

I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
again.  I know the bruises can't be sustained.  I'm afraid that they
might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
persist.

Any suggestions?
   Samuel

#32580 From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:59 am
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
ld_blackmoon
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greetings
 
you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides ) to vertical ( elbow facing  sides, and widest parts sticking up and down ) .
you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
2nd possible solution,
if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced " long arm guard "  that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
hope that helps : )
 
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Samuel
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem

 

Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".

I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
persist.

Any suggestions?
Samuel

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#32581 From: Dave <dances.with.beers@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:22 am
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
jhondo2000
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I usually have them start with the bow held horizontal then turn the
bow hand towards vertical without rotating the elbow.  In my
experience this works for the majority of elbow-slappers and does not
seem to place undue stress on the joint.  Otherwise, the "full-arm"
bracer helps.

On 1/9/13, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon@...> wrote:
> greetings
>
> you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
> sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
> a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the
> way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
> by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from
> horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides )
> to vertical ( elbow facing  sides, and widest parts sticking up and down )
> .
> you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the
> bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
> 2nd possible solution,
> if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced "
> long arm guard "  that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to
> restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
> hope that helps : )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Samuel
>   To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:06 PM
>   Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem
>
>
>
>   Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
>   with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
>   bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
>   bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
>   out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
>   that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
>   suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
>   the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".
>
>   I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
>   again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
>   might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
>   persist.
>
>   Any suggestions?
>   Samuel
>
>
>
>   No virus found in this message.
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#32582 From: James Koch <alchem@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:32 am
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
bigjimkoch
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Samuel,
>
As Arthur suggested, a long arm guard is the solution in the short run.  Once she gets stronger her form will improve and she may not need it.  I made a couple out of thick leather that strap around both the upper and lower arm.  My guess is she is using a recurve bow.  I have had less trouble with a longbow.  When the brace height is too low it slaps me in the wrist, but nowhere as hard as I used to be hit by a recurve.  Perhaps she ought to start with a low poundage longbow.
>
Jim "Gladius"
>
>
>      At 09:59 PM 1/9/2013, you wrote:
 

greetings
 
you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides ) to vertical ( elbow facing  sides, and widest parts sticking up and down ) .
you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
2nd possible solution,
if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced " long arm guard "  that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
hope that helps : )
 
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Samuel
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem

 

Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".

I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
persist.

Any suggestions?
Samuel

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#32583 From: "JDS" <ren.touch@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:45 am
Subject: ;-) Re: I need help with a coaching problem
ren.touch@...
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Mostly Humour
thought IT could be a bit of  truth
Have her switch hands
If she can hit her self in the left elbow
while holding the bow in her right
hand she is amazing

#32584 From: Doug Copley <doug.copley@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:07 am
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
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I would recommend a lower poundage bow. The problem is her form is wrong and due to several issues she does not have the strength and ability to change it. She has to go to a lower poundage bow and build up. I will have people lie on their side on a couch and use the arm that is up to reach down to the floor and pick up a gallon jug of water, after some reps that way switch ends and lay on the other side and do it again. It does not take long to build up enough muscles to start correcting the form. Also, remember it is better to shoot 20 arrows with correct for and then stop rather than continue shooting 30 more arrows and doing it wrong.

Vincenti


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Dave <dances.with.beers@...> wrote:

I usually have them start with the bow held horizontal then turn the
bow hand towards vertical without rotating the elbow. In my
experience this works for the majority of elbow-slappers and does not
seem to place undue stress on the joint. Otherwise, the "full-arm"
bracer helps.

On 1/9/13, Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon@...> wrote:
> greetings
>
> you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
> sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
> a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the
> way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
> by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from
> horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides )
> to vertical ( elbow facing sides, and widest parts sticking up and down )
> .
> you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the
> bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
> 2nd possible solution,
> if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced "
> long arm guard " that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to
> restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
> hope that helps : )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samuel
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem
>
>
>
> Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
> with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
> bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
> bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
> out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
> that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
> suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
> the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".
>
> I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
> again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
> might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
> persist.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Samuel
>
>
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#32585 From: "ladyjohannatrewpeny" <johannatrueshot@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:33 am
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
ladyjohannat...
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Leaps about in delight!
What fun!  I suggest a humorous section of questions or comments to marshals by
those being taught or marshaled or stories about funny things that happen.  Only
the nice ones of course, but there are some very funny things that occur and
make us all laugh or chuckle out there and I'd love to hear some from fields
afar!
Brightly,
Lady Johanna Trewpeny
AnTirian Lady of the Bow

#32586 From: "tomjulessca" <tomjulessca@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:50 am
Subject: Material for screen behind target?
tomjulessca
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I would like to set up a target in my back yard but the only place I can so so
safely is with the target in front of the kitchen window.  It would be nice to
have some kind of screen - at least 6'x6' or larger - between target and house. 
I thought about Kevlar but after checking online the price is daunting. I am
shooting a 45# longbow so fairly substantial stopping ability is needed.  Any
suggestions?  Thanks!

Tom

#32587 From: Bill Tait <arwemakere@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:59 am
Subject: Re: Material for screen behind target?
arwemakere
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When pushed for a cheap backdrop solution, I have used a couple layers of the netting used on construction sites, with a heavy moving blanket sandwiched between. The netting can often be obtained free from construction companies, as once it has any damage, it must be replaced.

For additional safety (shooting toward a house), cover the window itself with osb (looks like particle board, but made from larger wafers of wood). If an arrow should manage to get through the netting / blanket, the wood will stop it. Arrows do pull fairly easily from this type of sheeting, and it likely would not have much energy left.

William Arwemakere

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM, tomjulessca <tomjulessca@...> wrote:

I would like to set up a target in my back yard but the only place I can so so safely is with the target in front of the kitchen window. It would be nice to have some kind of screen - at least 6'x6' or larger - between target and house. I thought about Kevlar but after checking online the price is daunting. I am shooting a 45# longbow so fairly substantial stopping ability is needed. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Tom



#32588 From: James Llewellyn <baron.james.llewellyn@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:42 am
Subject: Re: Material for screen behind target?
tompilcher
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I use a large piece of dryer's felt. A bitch if it's raining cause it absorbs the water but great in the summer.
Baron James Llewelyn ap Gruffydd


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

When pushed for a cheap backdrop solution, I have used a couple layers of the netting used on construction sites, with a heavy moving blanket sandwiched between. The netting can often be obtained free from construction companies, as once it has any damage, it must be replaced.


For additional safety (shooting toward a house), cover the window itself with osb (looks like particle board, but made from larger wafers of wood). If an arrow should manage to get through the netting / blanket, the wood will stop it. Arrows do pull fairly easily from this type of sheeting, and it likely would not have much energy left.

William Arwemakere


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM, tomjulessca <tomjulessca@...> wrote:

I would like to set up a target in my back yard but the only place I can so so safely is with the target in front of the kitchen window. It would be nice to have some kind of screen - at least 6'x6' or larger - between target and house. I thought about Kevlar but after checking online the price is daunting. I am shooting a 45# longbow so fairly substantial stopping ability is needed. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Tom




#32589 From: Suzanne Lacey <goldenhind05@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:50 am
Subject: Re: Material for screen behind target?
goldenhind04
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There's always archery netting or backstop. You can see some here:

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/targets/range-equipment/backstop-netting.html

This is pretty pricey, but I found some last summer on sale for around $125 for a piece 10 x 15' (?). I just kept looking online until I ran into it on some sporting goods site. It hangs fairly loosely and works really well - no problem for a 45# bow. If you miss, the arrow tip goes through the holes, maybe 1", and catches; it just hangs there until you remove it. It wouldn't be adequate for a compound bow or a crossbow, but just fine for a handbow. It does need to be hung from a wire, so isn't something that you can just pop up, shoot, and take down.

Suzanne



On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:42 PM, James Llewellyn <baron.james.llewellyn@...> wrote:

I use a large piece of dryer's felt. A bitch if it's raining cause it absorbs the water but great in the summer.
Baron James Llewelyn ap Gruffydd


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

When pushed for a cheap backdrop solution, I have used a couple layers of the netting used on construction sites, with a heavy moving blanket sandwiched between. The netting can often be obtained free from construction companies, as once it has any damage, it must be replaced.


For additional safety (shooting toward a house), cover the window itself with osb (looks like particle board, but made from larger wafers of wood). If an arrow should manage to get through the netting / blanket, the wood will stop it. Arrows do pull fairly easily from this type of sheeting, and it likely would not have much energy left.

William Arwemakere


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM, tomjulessca <tomjulessca@...> wrote:

I would like to set up a target in my back yard but the only place I can so so safely is with the target in front of the kitchen window. It would be nice to have some kind of screen - at least 6'x6' or larger - between target and house. I thought about Kevlar but after checking online the price is daunting. I am shooting a 45# longbow so fairly substantial stopping ability is needed. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Tom





#32590 From: Sean Powell <sean14powell@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
sean14powell
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I've done that sort of bruising to myself when self teaching. Turned out it wasn't my stance and it was only partially about rotating my elbow out but it was primarily about the gripon the bow itself. The grip was smooth and slippery so to maintain control I was flexing my wristdo mypalm was forward to support the grip in the meat of my hand. I switched bows to a leather wrapped grip and it was secure enough that I would straighten my wrist.After learning to rotate my shoulder to gt the elbow out and then rotate my forearm back to get the thumb vertical and then not rock my wrist back I was able to reduce the bruising... but it took fixing the grip frist for me to find a solution.

Anyone else feel that the most comfortable bow grip would be a horizontal bar? Turn a long bow into a giant slingshot and rest the arrow between first and second knuckle? It's how my arm wants to work.
Sean Powell / Symon de Poitiers


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:

I would recommend a lower poundage bow. The problem is her form is wrong and due to several issues she does not have the strength and ability to change it. She has to go to a lower poundage bow and build up. I will have people lie on their side on a couch and use the arm that is up to reach down to the floor and pick up a gallon jug of water, after some reps that way switch ends and lay on the other side and do it again. It does not take long to build up enough muscles to start correcting the form. Also, remember it is better to shoot 20 arrows with correct for and then stop rather than continue shooting 30 more arrows and doing it wrong.

Vincenti


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Dave <dances.with.beers@...> wrote:

I usually have them start with the bow held horizontal then turn the
bow hand towards vertical without rotating the elbow. In my
experience this works for the majority of elbow-slappers and does not
seem to place undue stress on the joint. Otherwise, the "full-arm"
bracer helps.

On 1/9/13, Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon@...> wrote:
> greetings
>
> you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
> sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
> a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the
> way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
> by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from
> horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides )
> to vertical ( elbow facing sides, and widest parts sticking up and down )
> .
> you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the
> bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
> 2nd possible solution,
> if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced "
> long arm guard " that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to
> restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
> hope that helps : )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samuel
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem
>
>
>
> Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
> with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
> bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
> bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
> out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
> that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
> suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
> the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".
>
> I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
> again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
> might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
> persist.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Samuel
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6000 - Release Date: 12/31/12
> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
>

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#32591 From: Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
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I was having that sort of trouble. While working on learning to keep my arm slightly bent (not hyperextended) and rotate my elbow and move my shoulder slightly, I wore this http://www.flickr.com/photos/maco_nix/7259810474/  My boyfriend made it from some scrap leather we picked up at Pennsic. Since it's two pieces, I can still bend my arm while having heavy leather where it's needed (long guards I've seen seem to have very thin material at the elbow to let you move). Last event I went to with archery, I ended up taking it off (and trying really hard not to have the "well, now that you've removed it...THWACK" thing happen) and handing it to a teenager who was refusing to shoot because of past experiences bruising her there.

Grazia

#32592 From: Kat Pogatshnik <k.pogatshnik@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: SCA wide archery newsletter?
alessandra_d...
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I would be willing to help out with this, whether it be editing, doing write ups on archery shoots/events, or anything else that may need doing.

~Alessandra

#32593 From: William Davis <willied0296@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: Material for screen behind target?
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Actually, it could be hung and taken down easily.
Behind my target I hung up a 2x4 on a tree.  On the 2x4 are 2 plant brackets, from which I hang a screen.  Rather than the 2x4, just attach the brackets to the side of the house about 1' on either side of the kitchen window (or however far apart you want them).  The screen can be easily put up/taken down as needed.  You will need 2 other things however; bird feeders, to hang from the brackets when the netting isn't up.  This way,you have a nice something to look at through the kitchen window.  
By the way, does your wife know that you are thinking about shooting arrows AT the house?

Gwilym

--- On Thu, 1/10/13, Suzanne Lacey <goldenhind05@...> wrote:

From: Suzanne Lacey <goldenhind05@...>
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Material for screen behind target?
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 1:50 AM

 

There's always archery netting or backstop. You can see some here:

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/targets/range-equipment/backstop-netting.html

This is pretty pricey, but I found some last summer on sale for around $125 for a piece 10 x 15' (?). I just kept looking online until I ran into it on some sporting goods site. It hangs fairly loosely and works really well - no problem for a 45# bow. If you miss, the arrow tip goes through the holes, maybe 1", and catches; it just hangs there until you remove it. It wouldn't be adequate for a compound bow or a crossbow, but just fine for a handbow. It does need to be hung from a wire, so isn't something that you can just pop up, shoot, and take down.

Suzanne



On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:42 PM, James Llewellyn <baron.james.llewellyn@...> wrote:
 

I use a large piece of dryer's felt. A bitch if it's raining cause it absorbs the water but great in the summer.
 
 
 
Baron James Llewelyn ap Gruffydd
 
 
 
 


 
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:
 

When pushed for a cheap backdrop solution, I have used a couple layers of the netting used on construction sites, with a heavy moving blanket sandwiched between. The netting can often be obtained free from construction companies, as once it has any damage, it must be replaced. 


For additional safety (shooting toward a house), cover the window itself with osb (looks like particle board, but made from larger wafers of wood). If an arrow should manage to get through the netting / blanket, the wood will stop it. Arrows do pull fairly easily from this type of sheeting, and it likely would not have much energy left.

William Arwemakere


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM, tomjulessca <tomjulessca@...> wrote:
 

I would like to set up a target in my back yard but the only place I can so so safely is with the target in front of the kitchen window. It would be nice to have some kind of screen - at least 6'x6' or larger - between target and house. I thought about Kevlar but after checking online the price is daunting. I am shooting a 45# longbow so fairly substantial stopping ability is needed. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Tom





#32594 From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
marieann72
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When learning my recurve, I wore an arm guard on my forearm since that was where my string hit. As I learned a proper grip, wrist angle, slight bend in elbow, and grew stronger the string stopped hitting my arm. Now I do not wear an arm guard. It took a conscious effort to pay attention to my form with each shot. If I felt my elbow was locked, grip was off, or shoulder turn was off - I ran a mental checklist. But doing it helped my form and even my shooting level. 

Recently watched first in the series Masters of the Barebow. Professional traditional bow competitors and hunters  explained their techniques for grip, aiming, and judging distances. It was a great reminder how important it is to stay aware and consistent with your form.

Have met other people who use the two-part arm guards and seems to help them. But lowering bow weight to start, doing some strength exercise like others said, and practicing more could help. She will consciously have to make the effort and pay attention to her posture with each shot. May make her slow down in taking each shot for a bit but....she's training her body proper form.        

Emma Reuschell


On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Sean Powell <sean14powell@...> wrote:

 

I've done that sort of bruising to myself when self teaching. Turned out it wasn't my stance and it was only partially about rotating my elbow out but it was primarily about the gripon the bow itself. The grip was smooth and slippery so to maintain control I was flexing my wrist do my palm was forward to support the grip in the meat of my hand. I switched bows to a leather wrapped grip and it was secure enough that I would straighten my wrist.After learning to rotate my shoulder to gt the elbow out and then rotate my forearm back to get the thumb vertical and then not rock my wrist back I was able to reduce the bruising... but it took fixing the grip frist for me to find a solution.

Anyone else feel that the most comfortable bow grip would be a horizontal bar? Turn a long bow into a giant slingshot  and rest the arrow between first and second knuckle? It's how my arm wants to work.
 
Sean Powell / Symon de Poitiers


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:
 

I would recommend a lower poundage bow. The problem is her form is wrong and due to several issues she does not have the strength and ability to change it. She has to go to a lower poundage bow and build up. I will have people lie on their side on a couch and use the arm that is up to reach down to the floor and pick up a gallon jug of water, after some reps that way switch ends and lay on the other side and do it again. It does not take long to build up enough muscles to start correcting the form. Also, remember it is better to shoot 20 arrows with correct for and then stop rather than continue shooting 30 more arrows and doing it wrong.

Vincenti


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Dave <dances.with.beers@...> wrote:
 

I usually have them start with the bow held horizontal then turn the
bow hand towards vertical without rotating the elbow. In my
experience this works for the majority of elbow-slappers and does not
seem to place undue stress on the joint. Otherwise, the "full-arm"
bracer helps.

On 1/9/13, Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon@...> wrote:
> greetings
>
> you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
> sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
> a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the
> way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
> by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from
> horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides )
> to vertical ( elbow facing sides, and widest parts sticking up and down )
> .
> you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the
> bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
> 2nd possible solution,
> if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced "
> long arm guard " that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to
> restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
> hope that helps : )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samuel
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:06 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem
>
>
>
> Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
> with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
> bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
> bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
> out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
> that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
> suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
> the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".
>
> I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
> again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
> might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
> persist.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Samuel
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6000 - Release Date: 12/31/12
> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
>

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#32595 From: Marie Cowan <marieann72@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: I need help with a coaching problem
marieann72
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Sean, 

I have angled my bow at times and It helped at times. I still do it if I feel my arm is a little fatigued. 

Marie

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Sean Powell <sean14powell@...> wrote:

 

I've done that sort of bruising to myself when self teaching. Turned out it wasn't my stance and it was only partially about rotating my elbow out but it was primarily about the gripon the bow itself. The grip was smooth and slippery so to maintain control I was flexing my wrist do my palm was forward to support the grip in the meat of my hand. I switched bows to a leather wrapped grip and it was secure enough that I would straighten my wrist.After learning to rotate my shoulder to gt the elbow out and then rotate my forearm back to get the thumb vertical and then not rock my wrist back I was able to reduce the bruising... but it took fixing the grip frist for me to find a solution.

Anyone else feel that the most comfortable bow grip would be a horizontal bar? Turn a long bow into a giant slingshot  and rest the arrow between first and second knuckle? It's how my arm wants to work.
 
Sean Powell / Symon de Poitiers


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:
 

I would recommend a lower poundage bow. The problem is her form is wrong and due to several issues she does not have the strength and ability to change it. She has to go to a lower poundage bow and build up. I will have people lie on their side on a couch and use the arm that is up to reach down to the floor and pick up a gallon jug of water, after some reps that way switch ends and lay on the other side and do it again. It does not take long to build up enough muscles to start correcting the form. Also, remember it is better to shoot 20 arrows with correct for and then stop rather than continue shooting 30 more arrows and doing it wrong.

Vincenti


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Dave <dances.with.beers@...> wrote:
 

I usually have them start with the bow held horizontal then turn the
bow hand towards vertical without rotating the elbow. In my
experience this works for the majority of elbow-slappers and does not
seem to place undue stress on the joint. Otherwise, the "full-arm"
bracer helps.

On 1/9/13, Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon@...> wrote:
> greetings
>
> you might try having her line up both her shoulders with her bow hand .
> sorry, I'm not very good at the description : (
> a lot of females and some guys have issues with bending the elbow out of the
> way, it places a lot of extra stress on the arm muscles as well
> by, aligning the shoulders and bow hand , the elbow will reposition from
> horizontal ( elbow facing up and down, widest parts sticking out the sides )
> to vertical ( elbow facing sides, and widest parts sticking up and down )
> .
> you can also reposition the elbow by rolling the bow shoulder towards the
> bow hand, but it's harder on the shoulder joint in the long run : (
> 2nd possible solution,
> if she is severely hyper extending her elbow , she may need a reinforced "
> long arm guard " that attaches both above and below the elbow , in order to
> restrict the hyper extension in the bow arm
> hope that helps : )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
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> Subject: [SCA-Archery] I need help with a coaching problem
>
>
>
> Recently I was at a local indoor range. While there I started chatting
> with some new archers. One of the ladies showed me her elbow. It had
> bruises that any heavy fighter would be proud to brag about. These
> bruises were "a few days old". I recommended that she twist the elbow
> out of the way like other female archers have to do. She complained
> that she had tried that already and it was to uncomfortable. I then
> suggested that she open her stance in order to put more of an angle in
> the shoulder. This "put to much pressure where she had back surgery".
>
> I'm at a loss as to what to suggest if I ever run across these folks
> again. I know the bruises can't be sustained. I'm afraid that they
> might lead to other serious health issues (such as blood clots) if they
> persist.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Samuel
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#32596 From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:29 pm
Subject: Archery newsletter response
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There has been a strong response to the idea of a society wide archery newsletter. There have been some excellent suggestions for what it might contain and offers of help in providing content.  

One of the advantages of having it on the SCA kingdom newsletter page is that it would be available to all the 32,000 plus members of the society, not just the members of this group or subscribers to the newsletter. Of course not everyone would read it, but it could interest more in becoming active in archery. 

However, what need is to have someone to step forward that has the experience and take charge of the project. The SCA Publications Manager is interested in the project and interested in helping and needs to have someone to work with. Please contact anyone you know that might be capable and interested in doing this. 

This is a chance for the archers of the Society to show that we are a community by working together to develop a newsletter that would be beneficial to our group. I would hate to see this die on vine before producing fruit. 

Jon

#32597 From: James Koch <alchem@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: Material for screen behind target?
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Tom,
>
We use netting from a garden supply.  It is cheap, but you will need several layers to actually stop arrows from higher poundage bows.  You will also need long 2x2s or 2x4s to support it several feet in advance of the wall and window you are trying to protect.
>
Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
>
>
>   At 12:50 AM 1/10/2013, you wrote:
 

I would like to set up a target in my back yard but the only place I can so so safely is with the target in front of the kitchen window. It would be nice to have some kind of screen - at least 6'x6' or larger - between target and house. I thought about Kevlar but after checking online the price is daunting. I am shooting a 45# longbow so fairly substantial stopping ability is needed. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Tom


#32598 From: Cleve Johnson <eadric.of.grenfeld@...>
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:17 am
Subject: Prizes for Better War through Archery
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Gladius (mka James Koch), the owner of Alchem Incorporated, has graciasly offered to donate two travelling prizes for Better War through Archery (February 16-17, 2013). During the morning's competition, The winner of the Hand Bow division and the winner of the Crossbow division will take home Popinjay prizes and hold them for six months. After six months, the Popinjays will be returned to Gladius to be used in another competition of his choosing. In addition, Gladius is providing hats to the two winners, which will belong to them. There will be other prizes for Youth competition, Team competition, and various prizes away in a drawing during Court. I have attached pictures of the two Popinjays. One holds a bow and arrow (Hand Bow division) and the other holds a crossbow (Crossbow division).
In addition to the individual competition, archers may participate in four-member teams to bring honor to your local groups. If you do not have enough archers to make a team to represent your local group, there should be enough archers to make teams at the event.
Also, we will have a friendly competition between fencers and fighters in order to give an opportunity for them to compete on the archery field. For those who participate in fencing and heavy fighting, you will have to choose which team you want to be part of. The number of people on these two teams is irrelevent as each team's total score will be divided by the number of team members. The prize for the winning team will be bragging rights to tell the Knowne World which group makes the better archers.
Check out the full archery schedule at http://www.midrealm.org/sternfeld/bwta/.
--
Lord Eadric of Grenefelda
Barony of Sternfeld Archery Captain
Order of the Dragon's Barb, AoA
Order of the Golden Tower, Award of the Nova, Yeoman
Pandus planto populus mico.
(Archers make people quiver.)

2 of 2 Photo(s)


#32599 From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:34 am
Subject: Re: Prizes for Better War through Archery [2 Attachments]
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The popinjay awards are very attractive and in-period.

Jon


From: Cleve Johnson <eadric.of.grenfeld@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com; MidrealmArchery@yahoogroups.com; sternfeld@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 5:17:34 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Prizes for Better War through Archery [2 Attachments]

 

Gladius (mka James Koch), the owner of Alchem Incorporated, has graciasly offered to donate two travelling prizes for Better War through Archery (February 16-17, 2013).  During the morning's competition, The winner of the Hand Bow division and the winner of the Crossbow division will take home Popinjay prizes and hold them for six months.  After six months, the Popinjays will be returned to Gladius to be used in another competition of his choosing.  In addition, Gladius is providing hats to the two winners, which will belong to them.  There will be other prizes for Youth competition, Team competition, and various prizes away in a drawing during Court.  I have attached pictures of the two Popinjays.  One holds a bow and arrow (Hand Bow division) and the other holds a crossbow (Crossbow division).
 
In addition to the individual competition, archers may participate in four-member teams to bring honor to your local groups.  If you do not have enough archers to make a team to represent your local group, there should be enough archers to make teams at the event. 
 
Also, we will have a friendly competition between fencers and fighters in order to give an opportunity for them to compete on the archery field.  For those who participate in fencing and heavy fighting, you will have to choose which team you want to be part of.  The number of people on these two teams is irrelevent as each team's total score will be divided by the number of team members.  The prize for the winning team will be bragging rights to tell the Knowne World which group makes the better archers.
 
Check out the full archery schedule at http://www.midrealm.org/sternfeld/bwta/.
--
Lord Eadric of Grenefelda
Barony of Sternfeld Archery Captain
Order of the Dragon's Barb, AoA
Order of the Golden Tower, Award of the Nova, Yeoman
 Pandus planto populus mico.
(Archers make people quiver.)
 

#32600 From: Dougal MacAlister <scadougal@...>
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:41 am
Subject: Re: [MidrealmArchery] Prizes for Better War through Archery [2 Attachments]
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Very cool
Well done Gladius!

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On Jan 10, 2013, at 19:17, Cleve Johnson <eadric.of.grenfeld@...> wrote:

 

Gladius (mka James Koch), the owner of Alchem Incorporated, has graciasly offered to donate two travelling prizes for Better War through Archery (February 16-17, 2013).  During the morning's competition, The winner of the Hand Bow division and the winner of the Crossbow division will take home Popinjay prizes and hold them for six months.  After six months, the Popinjays will be returned to Gladius to be used in another competition of his choosing.  In addition, Gladius is providing hats to the two winners, which will belong to them.  There will be other prizes for Youth competition, Team competition, and various prizes away in a drawing during Court.  I have attached pictures of the two Popinjays.  One holds a bow and arrow (Hand Bow division) and the other holds a crossbow (Crossbow division).
 
In addition to the individual competition, archers may participate in four-member teams to bring honor to your local groups.  If you do not have enough archers to make a team to represent your local group, there should be enough archers to make teams at the event. 
 
Also, we will have a friendly competition between fencers and fighters in order to give an opportunity for them to compete on the archery field.  For those who participate in fencing and heavy fighting, you will have to choose which team you want to be part of.  The number of people on these two teams is irrelevent as each team's total score will be divided by the number of team members.  The prize for the winning team will be bragging rights to tell the Knowne World which group makes the better archers.
 
Check out the full archery schedule at http://www.midrealm.org/sternfeld/bwta/.
--
Lord Eadric of Grenefelda
Barony of Sternfeld Archery Captain
Order of the Dragon's Barb, AoA
Order of the Golden Tower, Award of the Nova, Yeoman
 Pandus planto populus mico.
(Archers make people quiver.)
 


#32601 From: "tomjulessca" <tomjulessca@...>
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:23 am
Subject: Re: Material for screen behind target?
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Thanks all for the great ideas!  I will do some research and see what I can work
out.  Yes, Gwilym she knows and approves.  Am I a lucky guy or what?

#32602 From: "JDS" <ren.touch@...>
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:57 am
Subject: Re: Re: Material for screen behind target?
ren.touch@...
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Hello
I did not read every message
Did any one suggest that (possibly)
a sheet (or two ) of Lexan (or etc )
(tougher than Plexiglas)
could be hung over the window and not
need to be moved

thus allowing light in still

good fortune and safety

is
Johann

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