Well, so that is what Dr. Grayson has been up to! He
told me he was going to work on another article about
whistling arrows for me. The little rascal.

In my opinion the book will be absolutely wonderful. I
haven't seen it BUT I have done some research in the
collection and talked to Dr. Grayson about my
research. I think if you bought the book you will not
be disappointed.

Respectfully,
karin
Apprentice to Master Andras Truemark
wheelerkw@...


      
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Welcome Ronan, from another archer of An Tir!  I am new to the SCA, and have
been fascinated with archery since I was a kid.

Did you attend in Vulcanfeldt's Archery Fest this year?  The Shire of
Wyewood (south King County, WA) sent a large contingent to compete; I wanted
to, but due to mundanity, wasn't able to.  I fully intend to participate
next year, though.

Yrs,

Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha
Shire of Wyewood, An Tir

*mka Sue V.*

On Nov 29, 2007 7:09 PM, ronan <ronanmackee@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello
>
> I thought I would give you guy's an idea who I am. My SCA name
> Is Ronan Mackay and I'm out of Antir. I hope that I can make new
> friends in the archery world
>
> Ronan
>
>
>


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Greetings, everyone... My name (mundane, of course) is Art. I was once
a member of the SCA -- and may be again, sometime; finances, life, that
sort of thing... Some of you may even know me already.

I have had an interest in Archerie for a very long time, somewhere
around the neighbourhood of 30 years, but have been **actively**
engaged in it for only the past 15 years. I just thought it was high
time I joined this group's list, to learn that which I have not yet
learned and such. I probably won't be able to keep up with everything
right away, but I will be around from time to time. There's a lot of
catching up for me to do....

--Artúr

In which kingdom do you live?

Jon
On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:04 PM, arturdubh wrote:

> Greetings, everyone... My name (mundane, of course) is Art. I was once
> a member of the SCA -- and may be again, sometime; finances, life,
> that
> sort of thing... Some of you may even know me already.
>
> I have had an interest in Archerie for a very long time, somewhere
> around the neighbourhood of 30 years, but have been **actively**
> engaged in it for only the past 15 years. I just thought it was high
> time I joined this group's list, to learn that which I have not yet
> learned and such. I probably won't be able to keep up with everything
> right away, but I will be around from time to time. There's a lot of
> catching up for me to do....
>
> --Artúr
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You all know it as Northshield. Barony of Nordskogen, to be a bit
more precise.... I haven't played in a long time, due to said
financial and such, nor do I forsee being able to play for a long
time. I just want to try to keep up on archery-related things.....
It's really late, I have been awake far too long, and there are
things which need doing (later) in the morning.

--Artúr


--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
>
> In which kingdom do you live?
>
> Jon
> On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:04 PM, arturdubh wrote:
>
> > Greetings, everyone... My name (mundane, of course) is Art. I was
once
> > a member of the SCA -- and may be again, sometime; finances,
life,
> > that
> > sort of thing... Some of you may even know me already.
> >
> > I have had an interest in Archerie for a very long time, somewhere
> > around the neighbourhood of 30 years, but have been **actively**
> > engaged in it for only the past 15 years. I just thought it was
high
> > time I joined this group's list, to learn that which I have not
yet
> > learned and such. I probably won't be able to keep up with
everything
> > right away, but I will be around from time to time. There's a lot
of
> > catching up for me to do....
> >
> > --Artúr
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Welcome Artúr

If you are the same who hailed form the region of Nordskogen then I know you
well and it is great to hear from you. Your presence is missed. If not, it a
pleasure to meet you.

Gwyn



   _____

From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of arturdubh
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:05 AM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Greetings



Greetings, everyone... My name (mundane, of course) is Art. I was once
a member of the SCA -- and may be again, sometime; finances, life, that
sort of thing... Some of you may even know me already.

I have had an interest in Archerie for a very long time, somewhere
around the neighbourhood of 30 years, but have been **actively**
engaged in it for only the past 15 years. I just thought it was high
time I joined this group's list, to learn that which I have not yet
learned and such. I probably won't be able to keep up with everything
right away, but I will be around from time to time. There's a lot of
catching up for me to do....

--Artúr





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It is you! That’s what I get for responding to my mail before reading
through it all. You will find this list a wonderful tool and resource. It is
much, much more active than our kingdom list. I have found lots of useful
files in its archives. I can understand not being so active the last year
due to school schedules (yes I went back to finish my degree) that are
getting more complex. Once again welcome.

Gwyn



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From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of arturdubh
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:43 AM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Greetings



You all know it as Northshield. Barony of Nordskogen, to be a bit
more precise.... I haven't played in a long time, due to said
financial and such, nor do I forsee being able to play for a long
time. I just want to try to keep up on archery-related things.....
It's really late, I have been awake far too long, and there are
things which need doing (later) in the morning.

--Artúr

--- In SCA-Archery@ <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
John edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
>
> In which kingdom do you live?
>
> Jon
> On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:04 PM, arturdubh wrote:
>
> > Greetings, everyone... My name (mundane, of course) is Art. I was
once
> > a member of the SCA -- and may be again, sometime; finances,
life,
> > that
> > sort of thing... Some of you may even know me already.
> >
> > I have had an interest in Archerie for a very long time, somewhere
> > around the neighbourhood of 30 years, but have been **actively**
> > engaged in it for only the past 15 years. I just thought it was
high
> > time I joined this group's list, to learn that which I have not
yet
> > learned and such. I probably won't be able to keep up with
everything
> > right away, but I will be around from time to time. There's a lot
of
> > catching up for me to do....
> >
> > --Artúr
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the warm welcome my friend


    Yes I did show up at Archery Feast this year and had a great time in fact I'm
running next year event. I hope you get to show up we are planning on lot of new
stuff for the archer to do



   Ronan Mackay



----- Original Message ----
From: Sebhdann <azurphnx@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 8:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] New to the group

                                Welcome Ronan, from another archer of An Tir!  I
am new to the SCA, and have
  been fascinated with archery since I was a kid.

  Did you attend in Vulcanfeldt' s Archery Fest this year?  The Shire of
  Wyewood (south King County, WA) sent a large contingent to compete; I wanted
  to, but due to mundanity, wasn't able to.  I fully intend to participate
  next year, though.

  Yrs,

  Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha
  Shire of Wyewood, An Tir

  *mka Sue V.*

  On Nov 29, 2007 7:09 PM, ronan <ronanmackee@ yahoo.com> wrote:

  >
  >
  > Hello
  >
  > I thought I would give you guy's an idea who I am. My SCA name
  > Is Ronan Mackay and I'm out of Antir. I hope that I can make new
  > friends in the archery world
  >
  > Ronan
  >
  >
  >

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I bid welcome to another archer named Ronan.  I am in the Kingdom of
Meridies so we probably won't run into each other on a regular
basis, but you never know.  Welcome and good shooting.

THL Ronan MacMorton
--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, ronan mackee <ronanmackee@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome my friend
>
>
>    Yes I did show up at Archery Feast this year and had a great
time in fact I'm running next year event. I hope you get to show up
we are planning on lot of new stuff for the archer to do
>
>
>
>   Ronan Mackay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sebhdann <azurphnx@...>
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 8:01:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] New to the group
>
>                                Welcome Ronan, from another archer
of An Tir!  I am new to the SCA, and have
>  been fascinated with archery since I was a kid.
>
>  Did you attend in Vulcanfeldt' s Archery Fest this year?  The
Shire of
>  Wyewood (south King County, WA) sent a large contingent to
compete; I wanted
>  to, but due to mundanity, wasn't able to.  I fully intend to
participate
>  next year, though.
>
>  Yrs,
>
>  Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha
>  Shire of Wyewood, An Tir
>
>  *mka Sue V.*
>
>  On Nov 29, 2007 7:09 PM, ronan <ronanmackee@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  >
>  >
>  > Hello
>  >
>  > I thought I would give you guy's an idea who I am. My SCA name
>  > Is Ronan Mackay and I'm out of Antir. I hope that I can make new
>  > friends in the archery world
>  >
>  > Ronan
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Thanks I see you are from Meridies kingdom are you planning on going to gulf
war next year ? If so It will be a honor to meet on the field.


by the name your name rocks


Ronan Mackay


----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin <ronanmacmorton@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 7:24:42 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: New to the group














             I bid welcome to another archer named Ronan.  I am in the Kingdom of

Meridies so we probably won't run into each other on a regular

basis, but you never know.  Welcome and good shooting.



THL Ronan MacMorton

--- In SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com, ronan mackee <ronanmackee@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome my friend

>

>

>    Yes I did show up at Archery Feast this year and had a great

time in fact I'm running next year event. I hope you get to show up

we are planning on lot of new stuff for the archer to do

>

>

>

>   Ronan Mackay

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Sebhdann <azurphnx@.. .>

> To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 8:01:51 PM

> Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] New to the group

>

>                                Welcome Ronan, from another archer

of An Tir!  I am new to the SCA, and have

>  been fascinated with archery since I was a kid.

>

>  Did you attend in Vulcanfeldt' s Archery Fest this year?  The

Shire of

>  Wyewood (south King County, WA) sent a large contingent to

compete; I wanted

>  to, but due to mundanity, wasn't able to.  I fully intend to

participate

>  next year, though.

>

>  Yrs,

>

>  Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha

>  Shire of Wyewood, An Tir

>

>  *mka Sue V.*

>

>  On Nov 29, 2007 7:09 PM, ronan <ronanmackee@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>  >

>  >

>  > Hello

>  >

>  > I thought I would give you guy's an idea who I am. My SCA name

>  > Is Ronan Mackay and I'm out of Antir. I hope that I can make new

>  > friends in the archery world

>  >

>  > Ronan

>  >

>  >

>  >

>

>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

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I am planning on being at GW in 2008.  I am the centurian of archers
for the Meridian Army.  Look for a big guy with a crossbow and a red
baldric over his armor or a longbow wit green and white fletched arrows.

Ronan

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wrote:
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>  Thanks I see you are from Meridies kingdom are you planning on going
to gulf war next year ? If so It will be a honor to meet on the field.
>
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> by the name your name rocks
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> Ronan Mackay
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>
>

The Scottish Guard (Garde Écossaise) was created by Charles VII in
1422, and was the personal guard of Kings of France for many years.
The Scottish Guard had a number of archers in it.

I have been able to find reference to the captains of the guard being
nobles. What I would like to know is if the regular archer members of
the guard were also of noble birth. Given the duties they had
guarding and attending the king it would seem most likely that they
were at least of the lesser Scottish nobility.

Does anyone have any information and preferably source material to
which they can refer me that can show that they were or were not of
noble birth?

I am trying to put together some documented information to help
counter the misconception that all medieval european military archers
were just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show that
there were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble class. I
am looking for information for other countries and additional sources
for those I have found so far.

Thank you for any help you can give.

Jon




Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West Archer Champion, Mists, Esfenn
An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
cunning of mind.




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Check out the Wiki entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_%C3%89cossaise
this seems to at least hint at the officers having been noble.

Baron Percival

----- Original Message -----
   From: John edgerton
   To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: SCA-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:36 PM
   Subject: [SCA-Archery] Scottish Guard of Archers



   The Scottish Guard (Garde Écossaise) was created by Charles VII in
   1422, and was the personal guard of Kings of France for many years.
   The Scottish Guard had a number of archers in it.

   I have been able to find reference to the captains of the guard being
   nobles. What I would like to know is if the regular archer members of
   the guard were also of noble birth. Given the duties they had
   guarding and attending the king it would seem most likely that they
   were at least of the lesser Scottish nobility.

   Does anyone have any information and preferably source material to
   which they can refer me that can show that they were or were not of
   noble birth?

   I am trying to put together some documented information to help
   counter the misconception that all medieval european military archers
   were just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show that
   there were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble class. I
   am looking for information for other countries and additional sources
   for those I have found so far.

   Thank you for any help you can give.

   Jon

   Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West Archer Champion, Mists, Esfenn
   An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
   cunning of mind.

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Thank you.

Jon


On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Keith Crawley wrote:

> Check out the Wiki entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_%C3%
> 89cossaisethis seems to at least hint at the officers having been
> noble.
>
> Baron Percival
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John edgerton
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: SCA-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:36 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] Scottish Guard of Archers
>
> The Scottish Guard (Garde Écossaise) was created by Charles VII in
> 1422, and was the personal guard of Kings of France for many years.
> The Scottish Guard had a number of archers in it.
>
> I have been able to find reference to the captains of the guard being
> nobles. What I would like to know is if the regular archer members of
> the guard were also of noble birth. Given the duties they had
> guarding and attending the king it would seem most likely that they
> were at least of the lesser Scottish nobility.
>
> Does anyone have any information and preferably source material to
> which they can refer me that can show that they were or were not of
> noble birth?
>
> I am trying to put together some documented information to help
> counter the misconception that all medieval european military archers
> were just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show that
> there were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble class. I
> am looking for information for other countries and additional sources
> for those I have found so far.
>
> Thank you for any help you can give.
>
> Jon
>
> Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West Archer Champion, Mists, Esfenn
> An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
> cunning of mind.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> The Scottish Guard (Garde Écossaise) was created by Charles VII in
> 1422, and was the personal guard of Kings of France for many years.
> The Scottish Guard had a number of archers in it.
>
> I have been able to find reference to the captains of the guard being
> nobles. What I would like to know is if the regular archer members of
> the guard were also of noble birth. Given the duties they had
> guarding and attending the king it would seem most likely that they
> were at least of the lesser Scottish nobility.
>
> Does anyone have any information and preferably source material to
> which they can refer me that can show that they were or were not of
> noble birth?
>
> I am trying to put together some documented information to help
> counter the misconception that all medieval european military archers
> were just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show that
> there were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble class. I
> am looking for information for other countries and additional sources
> for those I have found so far.
>
> Thank you for any help you can give.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West Archer Champion, Mists, Esfenn An
> Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and   cunning
> of mind.
>
>

I do not know about Scotland, but in England pretty much everyone from
villein to the king praticed archery. I'm almost done reading "Agincourt:
Henry V and the Battle That Made England" by Juliet Barker. She documents
that Henry V was a good archer, as were his brothers and his father, Henry
IV, before him. She also says that the books of chivalry, the "Dummy's
Guide to Being a Knight," that were written for English knights and
nobility spoke of archery lessons and one particular one written in France
said that if one wished to learn archery, "go to England." I don't have
the book in front of me otherwise I would give the reference.

THL Caleb Reynolds
Scarlet Guard of the Kingdom of AEthelmearc
King's Archery Champion

I am familiar with the English and other European nobles of varying
degree using archery for sport and recreation.  That is well
documented.  However, what I am trying to locate are sources for use
of archery by the nobel class for military purposes.

Jon
On Dec 4, 2007, at 12:54 PM, <caleb@...> wrote:
>
>
> I do not know about Scotland, but in England pretty much everyone from
> villein to the king praticed archery. I'm almost done reading
> "Agincourt:
> Henry V and the Battle That Made England" by Juliet Barker. She
> documents
> that Henry V was a good archer, as were his brothers and his
> father, Henry
> IV, before him. She also says that the books of chivalry, the "Dummy's
> Guide to Being a Knight," that were written for English knights and
> nobility spoke of archery lessons and one particular one written in
> France
> said that if one wished to learn archery, "go to England." I don't
> have
> the book in front of me otherwise I would give the reference.
>
> THL Caleb Reynolds
> Scarlet Guard of the Kingdom of AEthelmearc
> King's Archery Champion
>
>
>



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How many bodies were in the Garde at any one time? If this was a small personal
body guard one could expect perhaps a couple hundred at best and these sorts of
numbers could certainly have come from the Scottish Nobility with little impact
on Scotland herself. However if this was a regimental or larger sized unit the
sheer numbers would lead one to think some at least must have been common
soldiers. If it was totally made up of Nobles who was left back in Scotland to
run things. At this time in History what would Scotland's population have been
and a better question how many Noble families were there to feed such a machine
fresh bodies on a regular basis as they were killed off in some of the battles?
It isn't the proof you seek but I'm thinking unless this was a very small elite
unit that it would by necessity have to be made up of nobles as officers and
common soldiers filling out the rank and file.

Baron Percival
Baron of Septentria
Archer Champion to TRM Trumbrand and Kayla Rex et Regina Ealdormere




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Check out this link http://www.fraser-clan.org/newsletter.htm it mentions
numbers of a few dozen archers and men at arms, certainly not Noble mention as
such and this would lead me to think some at least were of common birth. It also
mentions a name David Simson as a part of a unit of archers with no title or
rank even further indicating probable common birth i should think. It also
mentions a number in the region of 100 men total with an elite group of 25 and
74 archers although this seems to have been a bit later in the units history.  .

Baron Percival
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: John edgerton
   To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:13 PM
   Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Scottish Guard of Archers


   Thank you.

   Jon

   On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Keith Crawley wrote:

   > Check out the Wiki entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_%C3%
   > 89cossaisethis seems to at least hint at the officers having been
   > noble.
   >
   > Baron Percival
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: John edgerton
   > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
   > Cc: SCA-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:36 PM
   > Subject: [SCA-Archery] Scottish Guard of Archers
   >
   > The Scottish Guard (Garde Écossaise) was created by Charles VII in
   > 1422, and was the personal guard of Kings of France for many years.
   > The Scottish Guard had a number of archers in it.
   >
   > I have been able to find reference to the captains of the guard being
   > nobles. What I would like to know is if the regular archer members of
   > the guard were also of noble birth. Given the duties they had
   > guarding and attending the king it would seem most likely that they
   > were at least of the lesser Scottish nobility.
   >
   > Does anyone have any information and preferably source material to
   > which they can refer me that can show that they were or were not of
   > noble birth?
   >
   > I am trying to put together some documented information to help
   > counter the misconception that all medieval european military archers
   > were just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show that
   > there were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble class. I
   > am looking for information for other countries and additional sources
   > for those I have found so far.
   >
   > Thank you for any help you can give.
   >
   > Jon
   >
   > Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West Archer Champion, Mists, Esfenn
   > An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
   > cunning of mind.
   >
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Jon,

Please do share your information with us all here when you do complete your
work.  And, thank you for the undertaking.

Lorelei

In a message dated 12/4/2007 1:37:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sirjon1@... writes:

am  trying to put together some documented information to help
counter  the misconception that all medieval european military archers
were  just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show that
there  were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble class. I
am  looking for information for other countries and additional sources
for those I have found so far.

Thank you for any help you can  give.

Jon





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I checked through my library last night and could not find anything about
nobles marching into battle as just archers. Good King Harry paid his
archers 6 pennies a day for his first campaign into France, where Knights
were paid 2 shillings a day. Barons were paid 4 shillings and higher
ranking members of nobility were paid even more. If these rates were
common across Europe, I don't think we will see any documentation of
nobles being hired as archers: they would be paid more money to be hired
at their rank. The increased money would cover horses, household members,
armor, etc. I would imagine that while they did not fight major battles
with bows or crossbows, the nobility might use them during a siege where
they would have nothing else to do while artiliary and siege engines were
working.

I did find a refence to some archer nobility:

"The Company of Scottish Archers was formed in 1676 and is possibly the
oldest sporting body in Britain today. It was granted a royal charter by
Queen Anne and drew its membership from the aristocracy, gentry and
professional classes of Edinburgh. "
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/archers.html

"Among Viking armies, however, even kings fought with bows. For example,
at the great sea battle of Skold in 1000 AD, when Norwegian King Olav
Trygvasson was cornered by his enemies and killed, during the long day's
battle King Olav fought mostly from the raised rear quarterdeck of his
great warship the Long Serpent, alternately throwing spears and shooting
arrows at his attackers."
http://www.strongbowsaga.com/showwik.asp?WikID=38

"My point being that the archers, even at the low end, were paid
specialists, not peasant levies. I haven't found a picture of an armored
archer with his own arms(yet), but I'm working on it. When Henry II
conquered Ireland, Richard de Clare, Earl of Pembroke (which Earldom was a
traditional source of archer levies) had the epithet 'Strongbow', because
he was reputed to draw the strongest bow in the kingdom. I find it hard to
believe that he could get a name for his archery without using the bow a
*lot*, and in war; clearly, it isn't improper for a nobleman to be an
archer."
http://www.florilegium.org/files/ARCHERY/archery-msg.html

THL Caleb Reynolds
Scarlet Guard of the Kingdom of AEthelmearc
King's Archery Champion


> Check out this link http://www.fraser-clan.org/newsletter.htm it
> mentions numbers of a few dozen archers and men at arms, certainly not
> Noble mention as such and this would lead me to think some at least were
> of common birth. It also mentions a name David Simson as a part of a
> unit of archers with no title or rank even further indicating probable
> common birth i should think. It also mentions a number in the region of
> 100 men total with an elite group of 25 and 74 archers although this
> seems to have been a bit later in the units history.  .
>
> Baron Percival
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: John edgerton
>   To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:13 PM
>   Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Scottish Guard of Archers
>
>
>   Thank you.
>
>   Jon
>
>   On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Keith Crawley wrote:
>
>   > Check out the Wiki entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_%C3%
> 89cossaisethis seems to at least hint at the officers having been
> noble.
>   >
>   > Baron Percival
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: John edgerton
>   > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>   > Cc: SCA-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:36 PM
>   > Subject: [SCA-Archery] Scottish Guard of Archers
>   >
>   > The Scottish Guard (Garde Écossaise) was created by Charles VII in
> 1422, and was the personal guard of Kings of France for many years.
> The Scottish Guard had a number of archers in it.
>   >
>   > I have been able to find reference to the captains of the guard
> being nobles. What I would like to know is if the regular archer
> members of the guard were also of noble birth. Given the duties they
> had
>   > guarding and attending the king it would seem most likely that they
> were at least of the lesser Scottish nobility.
>   >
>   > Does anyone have any information and preferably source material to
> which they can refer me that can show that they were or were not of
> noble birth?
>   >
>   > I am trying to put together some documented information to help
> counter the misconception that all medieval european military
> archers were just peasants. I have so far found some sources to show
> that there were Spanish, Italian and French archers of the noble
> class. I am looking for information for other countries and
> additional sources for those I have found so far.
>   >
>   > Thank you for any help you can give.
>   >
>   > Jon
>   >
>   > Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West Archer Champion, Mists, Esfenn
> An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
> cunning of mind.
>   >

Here is a link http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/templar.htm that puts an
interesting Templar spin on things. Don't know what if any facts are drawn on by
the author who ever it is but it sure makes for an interesting theory when tied
in with other Scottish Templar beliefs/myths.

Baron Percival



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Has anyone seen a bow with a grip at an angle to the limbs?  IE, the
bow arm holding the grip canted, in good "Fred Asbell" style, and the
limbs vertical, in typical "Victorian" style?

Logan, curious enough to try it out

E. Cobham Brewer 1810--1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.

*Rem Acu.
* You have hit the mark; you have hit the nail on the head. /Rem acu
tetigisti/ (Plautus). A phrase in archery, meaning, You have hit the
white, or the bull's-eye.
"'/Rem acu/ once again,' said Sir Piercie."---/The Monastery,/ chap. xvi

Evidently the Latin  /Rem acu tetigisti/ means most closely 'You have
touched it exactly'  or 'You have touched it sharply'  or  'You have
touched it with a needle' and used used the same way we might today use
"You have hit the nail on the head".

Evidently there was a time in English archery circles "Rem Acu"   was
the equivalent of a fencer crying "touché"

-EA


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Indeed.  Apparently a fairly common Latin phrase.  My Cassell's has
it (under "acus", a needle, bodkin) as "acu rem tangere" -- "to hit
the nail on the head".

I've just been reading Plautus as it happens.  I'll have to search
for in which of his plays the phrase you have quoted occurs.

Thanks for posting this!

					 James
jotl@...


On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

>
> E. Cobham Brewer 1810--1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
>
> *Rem Acu.
> * You have hit the mark; you have hit the nail on the head. /Rem acu
> tetigisti/ (Plautus). A phrase in archery, meaning, You have hit the
> white, or the bull's-eye.
> "'/Rem acu/ once again,' said Sir Piercie."---/The Monastery,/
> chap. xvi
>
> Evidently the Latin  /Rem acu tetigisti/ means most closely 'You have
> touched it exactly'  or 'You have touched it sharply'  or  'You have
> touched it with a needle' and used used the same way we might today
> use
> "You have hit the nail on the head".
>
> Evidently there was a time in English archery circles "Rem Acu"   was
> the equivalent of a fencer crying "touché"
>
> -EA
>
>
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Since it says to "hit the white ...."  it would likely to have been
in use before the gold center became common.  So it could well be in
period for SCAS archery usage.

Thanks for posting this.

Jon

On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

>
> E. Cobham Brewer 1810--1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
>
> *Rem Acu.
> * You have hit the mark; you have hit the nail on the head. /Rem acu
> tetigisti/ (Plautus). A phrase in archery, meaning, You have hit the
> white, or the bull's-eye.
> "'/Rem acu/ once again,' said Sir Piercie."---/The Monastery,/
> chap. xvi
>
> Evidently the Latin /Rem acu tetigisti/ means most closely 'You have
> touched it exactly' or 'You have touched it sharply' or 'You have
> touched it with a needle' and used used the same way we might today
> use
> "You have hit the nail on the head".
>
> Evidently there was a time in English archery circles "Rem Acu" was
> the equivalent of a fencer crying "touché"
>
> -EA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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James of the Lake wrote:
> Indeed.  Apparently a fairly common Latin phrase.  My Cassell's has
> it (under "acus", a needle, bodkin) as "acu rem tangere" -- "to hit
> the nail on the head".
>

I think it's a phrase we SCA Archers should try and revive.
> I've just been reading Plautus as it happens.  I'll have to search
> for in which of his plays the phrase you have quoted occurs.
>

The phrase is "Rem acu tetigisti." is commonly attributed to the comedy
"Rudens" by Plautus

I find "Tetigisti acu" in Rudens, Act V, Scene 2, line 19
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0046&que\
ry=scene%3D%2328

Evidently  "rem acu tetigisti" also appears in a 1528 work by theologian
Erasmus.
http://big.chez.com/asklepios/erasmus/pronuntiatione.htm

I cant find were it is first attributed as a phrase used by archers.
The Brewers first edition relates "Rem Acu" as a phrase use by archers.

The RAF 10th Squadron has "Rem acu tangere" (To hit the mark) as their
motto on a badge granted by HRH King George VI in September 1937. The
badge and motto was reportedly designed by Wg Cdr Whitelock while
watching archery practice in Oxford.  The badge sports a winged arrow as
Whitelock thought that the bombs of his era were to his army the
equivalent of the medieval war arrow to the armies of the longbow
period.   Evidently the 10th Squadron was disbanded in 2005.

Regards,

-EA

Yeah.  I just found it there myself, the "Tetigisti acu." phrase, as
offered at

	 http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/plautus/rudens.shtml

on line 1306.

Peter L. Smith's translation also offers the phrase as "You've the
nail Upon the head."

Thanks much for the 16thC reference, too.

					 James
jotl@...


On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

> James of the Lake wrote:
>> Indeed.  Apparently a fairly common Latin phrase.  My Cassell's has
>> it (under "acus", a needle, bodkin) as "acu rem tangere" -- "to hit
>> the nail on the head".
>>
>
> I think it's a phrase we SCA Archers should try and revive.
>> I've just been reading Plautus as it happens.  I'll have to search
>> for in which of his plays the phrase you have quoted occurs.
>>
>
> The phrase is "Rem acu tetigisti." is commonly attributed to the
> comedy
> "Rudens" by Plautus
>
> I find "Tetigisti acu" in Rudens, Act V, Scene 2, line 19
> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%
> 3A1999.02.0046&query=scene%3D%2328
>
> Evidently  "rem acu tetigisti" also appears in a 1528 work by
> theologian
> Erasmus.
> http://big.chez.com/asklepios/erasmus/pronuntiatione.htm
>
> I cant find were it is first attributed as a phrase used by archers.
> The Brewers first edition relates "Rem Acu" as a phrase use by
> archers.
>
> The RAF 10th Squadron has "Rem acu tangere" (To hit the mark) as their
> motto on a badge granted by HRH King George VI in September 1937. The
> badge and motto was reportedly designed by Wg Cdr Whitelock while
> watching archery practice in Oxford.  The badge sports a winged
> arrow as
> Whitelock thought that the bombs of his era were to his army the
> equivalent of the medieval war arrow to the armies of the longbow
> period.   Evidently the 10th Squadron was disbanded in 2005.
>
> Regards,
>
> -EA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"You've *hit* the nail Upon the head."   of course.

James


On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:04 PM, James of the Lake wrote:
>
>
> Peter L. Smith's translation also offers the phrase as "You've the
> nail Upon the head."
>
>
> 				 James
> jotl@...
>

I posted the information on "rem acu" to the Society Of Archer-
Antiquaries Forum and asked if anyone knew when it was used for
archery.  I think it would be great if it had period usage.  But,
even if it does not.  I think it should be introduced into our SCA
archery vocabulary.  It could have been used in period by anyone that
read Plautus.

Jon

On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

>
> E. Cobham Brewer 1810--1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
>
> *Rem Acu.
> * You have hit the mark; you have hit the nail on the head. /Rem acu
> tetigisti/ (Plautus). A phrase in archery, meaning, You have hit the
> white, or the bull's-eye.
> "'/Rem acu/ once again,' said Sir Piercie."---/The Monastery,/
> chap. xvi
>
> Evidently the Latin /Rem acu tetigisti/ means most closely 'You have
> touched it exactly' or 'You have touched it sharply' or 'You have
> touched it with a needle' and used used the same way we might today
> use
> "You have hit the nail on the head".
>
> Evidently there was a time in English archery circles "Rem Acu" was
> the equivalent of a fencer crying "touché"
>
> -EA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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I thought the phrase might appear in Shakespeare somewhere, but
Bartleby.com has


1) 2091. John Fletcher. 1579-1625. Bartlett, John, comp. 1919.
Familiar Quotations, 10th ed.
...NUMBER: 2091 AUTHOR: John Fletcher (1579–1625) QUOTATION: Hit the
nail on the head. ATTRIBUTION: Love s Cure. Act ii. Sc. 1....
2) 9233. François Rabelais. c. 1490-1553. Bartlett, John, comp. 1919.
Familiar Quotations, 10th ed.
...NUMBER: 9233 AUTHOR: François Rabelais (c. 1490–1553) QUOTATION:
You have there hit the nail on the head. 1 ATTRIBUTION: Works. Book
iii. Chap. xxxiv. Note 1. See...

							 James

jotl@...

On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:39 PM, John edgerton wrote:

> I posted the information on "rem acu" to the Society Of Archer-
> Antiquaries Forum and asked if anyone knew when it was used for
> archery.  I think it would be great if it had period usage.  But,
> even if it does not.  I think it should be introduced into our SCA
> archery vocabulary.  It could have been used in period by anyone that
> read Plautus.
>
> Jon
>
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:
>
>>
>> E. Cobham Brewer 1810--1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
>>
>> *Rem Acu.
>> * You have hit the mark; you have hit the nail on the head. /Rem acu
>> tetigisti/ (Plautus). A phrase in archery, meaning, You have hit the
>> white, or the bull's-eye.
>> "'/Rem acu/ once again,' said Sir Piercie."---/The Monastery,/
>> chap. xvi
>>
>> Evidently the Latin /Rem acu tetigisti/ means most closely 'You have
>> touched it exactly' or 'You have touched it sharply' or 'You have
>> touched it with a needle' and used used the same way we might today
>> use
>> "You have hit the nail on the head".
>>
>> Evidently there was a time in English archery circles "Rem Acu" was
>> the equivalent of a fencer crying "touché"
>>
>> -EA
>>