All he needs is right here:
http://www.armorgames.com/games/darkcut_popup.html
-Cian of Storvik

Æ Scarlet Guard target was a fire pit with lamp oil soaked wood for the
bardic circle at the end of an archery event. The Guard was going to set the
wood afire. I like the burlap idea with slits. Makes sense.

Brad


Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Fire arrows


>
>
> Were you just firing them into a field or at a  target?  No problem
setting
> grass or such on fire?  I would love to  see this, it sounds like a blast.
You
> KNOW what we will be trying  soon!
>
> Lady Lorelei Greenleaf
> Crois Brigte, Sacred Stone
> Atlantia
>

Does anyone know the status of the IKAC and Lorenzo?  When I try to
access the IKAC web site, I get a message that says "Can not access
server"

Jon

I have some free time and looking to hock a specific bow accessory.
String keepers. An excellent item to spiff up your bow at events.
Also an important acceossory for bow storage as it keeps the string
from wrapping about the bow or slipping off completely when un-
strung. If the string untwists it can change your brace height. I
have pictures of a couple of the options available:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18254720@N05/

Basic - Hand dyed leather (Color of your choice) string keeper
w/deerskin lace and horn or antler button w/wooden beads (assorted).
$6.00
Option #1 - w/Stainless Concho -As above but with stainless steel
concho (dragon or celtic cross) instead of horn or antler button:
+$2.00
Option #2 - w/custom concho - stainless concho w/insert of your
choice of badge/device on insert (Must supply me with image of
device). Stained/Painted, finished and polished. +$8.00
Option #3 - w/Tooled leather cup - (See image with Atlantian Ensign
& Spike on inverse), devices, badges, ranks/awards can be tooled
into leather. +$5.00
Option #4 - w/glass beads. These are had made glass beads and I
would have to defer to my bead supplier for cost depending on style
and color. +Cost of beads

Comes with simple illustrated instructions on use.
Usable on Longbows and Recurves. A great Christmas present for the
archer in your life. perfect stocking stuffer. I accept paypal.
Fist class Shipping (Depending on where you are located) At most
$2.50 in the continental U.S. for a single concho.
Email me if you have questions or want one.
-Cian

I have been looking at this site off and on all year and have not seen any
results posted and I have emailed the Society Archery Marshal about this and
still no results.......So I stopped shooting them...

GREGGE the ARCHER
Shire of Roxbury Mill
Kingdom of Atlantia

  ________________________________> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com> From:
sirjon1@...> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:52:06 -0800> Subject:
[SCA-Archery] IKAC status?>> Does anyone know the status of the IKAC and
Lorenzo? When I try to> access the IKAC web site, I get a message that says "Can
not access> server"> Jon>

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Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by
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ine

I tried the IKAC/IKCAC web site again today and it was back up.  It
also had a note on the home page ....

"NOTE (10/1): All scores have been received - Scores will be posted
shortly"

Lord Lorenzo lives in Maryland, I believe.  Has anyone had any recent
contact with him or conversation about the IKAC/IKCAC?

Jon


On Nov 6, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Greg Christensen wrote:

>
> I have been looking at this site off and on all year and have not
> seen any results posted and I have emailed the Society Archery
> Marshal about this and still no results.......So I stopped shooting
> them...
>
> GREGGE the ARCHER
> Shire of Roxbury Mill
> Kingdom of Atlantia


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The IKAC isn't attached to or responsible to the Society Archery
Marshal.  It is in essence a private competition open to the public.

There is a phone number for Lorenzo on the IKAC rules page.  Has anyone
who is concerned bothered to call it?

Regards,

-EA


Greg Christensen wrote:
> I have been looking at this site off and on all year and have not seen any
results posted and I have emailed the Society Archery Marshal about this and
still no results.......So I stopped shooting them...
>
> GREGGE the ARCHER
> Shire of Roxbury Mill
> Kingdom of Atlantia
>

I found the phone number when I checked the web site again tonight.
But, it was after 9:30 his time, so I will wait to call tomorrow.  I
have emailed him before, but no response as yet.

I do have some interest in the status of the competitions. :-)

Jon

On Nov 6, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

> The IKAC isn't attached to or responsible to the Society Archery
> Marshal. It is in essence a private competition open to the public.
>
> There is a phone number for Lorenzo on the IKAC rules page. Has anyone
> who is concerned bothered to call it?
>
> Regards,
>
> -EA
>
> Greg Christensen wrote:
> > I have been looking at this site off and on all year and have not
> seen any results posted and I have emailed the Society Archery
> Marshal about this and still no results.......So I stopped shooting
> them...
> >
> > GREGGE the ARCHER
> > Shire of Roxbury Mill
> > Kingdom of Atlantia
> >
>
>
>



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Oh come on...

You created the competitions how many years ago?

You aren't ready to simply abandon them?

-EA

John edgerton wrote:
> I found the phone number when I checked the web site again tonight.
> But, it was after 9:30 his time, so I will wait to call tomorrow.  I
> have emailed him before, but no response as yet.
>
> I do have some interest in the status of the competitions. :-)
>
> Jon
>

About thirty years ago.  Some how it does not seem that long.

Not quite and not yet. :-)  I think they can still serve to help
encourage archery in the SCA.  I would like to see them focus  more
on period aspects in the future.

Jon


On Nov 6, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

> Oh come on...
>
> You created the competitions how many years ago?
>
> You aren't ready to simply abandon them?
>
> -EA
>
> John edgerton wrote:
> > I found the phone number when I checked the web site again tonight.
> > But, it was after 9:30 his time, so I will wait to call tomorrow. I
> > have emailed him before, but no response as yet.
> >
> > I do have some interest in the status of the competitions. :-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
>
>



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Good point Jon, a more period field would be great.but let me see a raise of
hands for those not wanting to give up their recurves.lol. I shoot with one
too on occasion however I am more inclined to reach for my longbow because
it makes me feel more "in period". Truth is there is no one period design as
archery was so engrained in the everyday lives of people from all over the
world. Different styles but essentially stick and string. Hypothetically if
I were living in the middle ages and had an opportunity to have any bow from
any culture I would want them all and if I were a traveler or collector, I
might have my longbow and recurve (see scathian/mongolan/Korean bow) as
well. Point is, if we are going for period, there is much we could do to
create the ambiance of a period archery field and not take the bow out of
your brothers hand to do it.



Want fun? Use balloons..want period? Don't use balloons. The list goes on. I
heard of a really fun shoot where someone strapped a stuffed animal to a
remote control car.period.nope, fun? I am sure it was a blast. So can period
be fun? Of course, if those participating in the shoot find period fun.I do.
Those who will only show on the field for popping balloons and motorized
bunnies may not.



Want to draw a crowd at your next event, get permission and show some
pageantry.flags, heraldic escort through the site calling for all to heed
the rich tradition of competition by flight of arrow and the pull of
bowstring, death from afar awaits those who challenge these most excellent
archers.come one and all and witness the prowess and skill..etc, etc.



Did that once.the reception was great, made the whole site look up and take
notice and many spectator watched. Add to that a herald to announce
competitors and scores and to nudge to spectators to cheer for their
favorite and you end up with a site worthy event, not a thing some people
are doing in the field at the back of the site.





Maybe I need to get some coffee before I yype any more..lol



Again, good point M'Lord.



Domingos de Leon

Arenal, Meridies





   _____

From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John edgerton
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:05 PM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] IKAC status?

About thirty years ago. Some how it does not seem that long.

Not quite and not yet. :-) I think they can still serve to help
encourage archery in the SCA. I would like to see them focus more
on period aspects in the future.

Jon

On Nov 6, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote:

> Oh come on...
>
> You created the competitions how many years ago?
>
> You aren't ready to simply abandon them?
>
> -EA
>
> John edgerton wrote:
> > I found the phone number when I checked the web site again tonight.
> > But, it was after 9:30 his time, so I will wait to call tomorrow. I
> > have emailed him before, but no response as yet.
> >
> > I do have some interest in the status of the competitions. :-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
>
>

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You all know my stand on promoting participation and learning over
re-enactments authenticity.  I, also, agree with Sir Jon that the
IKAC could be a place where we could promote authentic equipment.  We
could, but I am not convinced we should.  As long as we allow plastic
armor and aluminum shields on the lists field I find imposing
additional restrictions on a particular group inappropriate, even if
we do it ourselves.  Particularly when the when the combat community
considers using pas type rules of barrier combat or counted blows
sufficient to promote "period" combat.
Carolus

At 05:07 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:

>Good point Jon, a more period field would be great.but let me see a raise of
>hands for those not wanting to give up their recurves.lol. I shoot with one
>snip
>Again, good point M'Lord.
>
>Domingos de Leon
>
>Arenal, Meridies


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Is there not a period division already? That should be enough to serve the
interests of those who want to be completely period while still allowing those
who use other equipment to participate as well. Not everyone wants to use
completely authentic equipment after all and the rules say they don't have to.
Just my opinion.
Dalton

----- Original Message -----
From: Carolus <eulenhorst@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 7:52 am
Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] IKAC status?
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com

> You all know my stand on promoting participation and learning
> over
> re-enactments authenticity.  I, also, agree with Sir Jon
> that the
> IKAC could be a place where we could promote authentic
> equipment.  We
> could, but I am not convinced we should.  As long as we
> allow plastic
> armor and aluminum shields on the lists field I find imposing
> additional restrictions on a particular group inappropriate,
> even if
> we do it ourselves.  Particularly when the when the combat
> community
> considers using pas type rules of barrier combat or counted
> blows
> sufficient to promote "period" combat.
> Carolus
>
> At 05:07 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
>
> >Good point Jon, a more period field would be great.but let me
> see a raise of
> >hands for those not wanting to give up their recurves.lol. I
> shoot with one
> >snip
> >Again, good point M'Lord.
> >
> >Domingos de Leon
> >
> >Arenal, Meridies
>
>
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There should always be an Open division for the IKAC to allow for
modern bows.  The aspects I would like to see become more period are
targets and scoring.  And for encouraging other aspects, see the
files section of this group for some thoughts in "Archery Ideas" on
SCA target archery.  It was written for the West, but has general SCA
application.

Jon


On Nov 7, 2007, at 5:07 AM, Bill Brown wrote:

> Good point Jon, a more period field would be great.but let me see a
> raise of
> hands for those not wanting to give up their recurves.lol. I shoot
> with one
> too on occasion however I am more inclined to reach for my longbow
> because
> it makes me feel more "in period". Truth is there is no one period
> design as
> archery was so engrained in the everyday lives of people from all
> over the
> world. Different styles but essentially stick and string.
> Hypothetically if
> I were living in the middle ages and had an opportunity to have any
> bow from
> any culture I would want them all and if I were a traveler or
> collector, I
> might have my longbow and recurve (see scathian/mongolan/Korean
> bow) as
> well. Point is, if we are going for period, there is much we could
> do to
> create the ambiance of a period archery field and not take the bow
> out of
> your brothers hand to do it.
>
> Want fun? Use balloons..want period? Don't use balloons. The list
> goes on. I
> heard of a really fun shoot where someone strapped a stuffed animal
> to a
> remote control car.period.nope, fun? I am sure it was a blast. So
> can period
> be fun? Of course, if those participating in the shoot find period
> fun.I do.
> Those who will only show on the field for popping balloons and
> motorized
> bunnies may not.
>
> Want to draw a crowd at your next event, get permission and show some
> pageantry.flags, heraldic escort through the site calling for all
> to heed
> the rich tradition of competition by flight of arrow and the pull of
> bowstring, death from afar awaits those who challenge these most
> excellent
> archers.come one and all and witness the prowess and skill..etc, etc.
>
> Did that once.the reception was great, made the whole site look up
> and take
> notice and many spectator watched. Add to that a herald to announce
> competitors and scores and to nudge to spectators to cheer for their
> favorite and you end up with a site worthy event, not a thing some
> people
> are doing in the field at the back of the site.
>
> Maybe I need to get some coffee before I yype any more..lol
>
> Again, good point M'Lord.
>
> Domingos de Leon
>
> Arenal, Meridies


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On Nov 7, 2007 11:06 AM, ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...> wrote:
> Is there not a period division already? That should be enough to serve the
interests of those who want to be completely period while still allowing those
who use other equipment to participate as well. Not everyone wants to use
completely authentic equipment after all and the rules say they don't have to.

I would like to point out that as a historical re-enactment
organization, we should be striving to achieve period equipment.  The
rules of the SCA may not absolutely require period-type equipment, but
it does strongly encourage it.  I think archery in the SCA would be
better if we did strive to be more authentic in our equipment.

In armored combat, I am now working in getting ride of my plastic
armor because it isn't period and detracts from the overall
appearance.  I have to do it piece meal, yes, but I am at least making
an effort.

And, the prices of period longbows is cheaper than of a modern
recurve.  A Martin X-200 exceeds $230 these days.  Woodbows.com will
sell you a top-quality longbow for $110 to $120, and they are just one
of a few vendors in that price range.


--
THL Caedmon Wilson

Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal

Leather Armor at Blacktower Enterprises
http://www.paragonkeep.com/BTE.html

Actually we are a recreation group( emphasis on recreation as well as
Re-creation). In reality we are a garden party that grew. Re-enactment groups
are far more stringent in their rules on autenticity (see any civil war group)
and they strive to recreate specific battles, we do not. That's why the Knowne
World Handbook talks about Fun Mavens AND Authenticity Mavens and why it's
called "Creative" Anachronism.
I do commend you on your efforts to be more period and I support that choice,
but I'll also continue to prefer my Martin Vision to a woodbows.com bow.
I've seen the longbows you speak of and I would hardly call them "Top Quality".
The St. Charles family at Pacific Yew makes "Top Quality" longbows.
The truly great part about this game is that there is room for both of us to
play to the extent that we wish. To me archery is made better by having more
people participate, whether that be with a perfect reproduction of an Agincourt
era longbow or a Bear Kodiak. But then I never was a stickler for authenticity.
Dalton
----- Original Message -----
From: THL Caedmon Wilson <caedmon.wilson@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 11:33 am
Subject: Re: RE: [SCA-Archery] IKAC status?
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com

> On Nov 7, 2007 11:06 AM, ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...> wrote:
> > Is there not a period division already? That should be enough
> to serve the interests of those who want to be completely period
> while still allowing those who use other equipment to
> participate as well. Not everyone wants to use completely
> authentic equipment after all and the rules say they don't have to.
>
> I would like to point out that as a historical re-enactment
> organization, we should be striving to achieve period
> equipment.  The
> rules of the SCA may not absolutely require period-type
> equipment, but
> it does strongly encourage it.  I think archery in the SCA
> would be
> better if we did strive to be more authentic in our equipment.
>
> In armored combat, I am now working in getting ride of my plastic
> armor because it isn't period and detracts from the overall
> appearance.  I have to do it piece meal, yes, but I am at
> least making
> an effort.
>
> And, the prices of period longbows is cheaper than of a modern
> recurve.  A Martin X-200 exceeds $230 these days.
> Woodbows.com will
> sell you a top-quality longbow for $110 to $120, and they are
> just one
> of a few vendors in that price range.
>
>
> --
> THL Caedmon Wilson
>
> Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal
>
> Leather Armor at Blacktower Enterprises
> http://www.paragonkeep.com/BTE.html
>


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> And for encouraging other aspects, see the files section of this
> group for some thoughts in "Archery Ideas" on SCA target archery.

One of the complaints made about the IKAC is that it really isn't
period and that too many people want to shoot the IKAC/RR and nothing
else.  I think the IKAC needs to evolve a bit and change from it's
existing format to include different types of shoots that could be
compiled into a composite score.

My thought is that the IKAC out to be something like a clout at a
standardized distance (something between 100 to 150 yards), a full or
partial York and other kinds shoots.  The IKAC also should have indoor
and outdoor components of the shoot and have the IKAC season start with
the indoor segment and end with the outdoor shoots.

Michael

> My thought is that the IKAC out to be something like a clout at a
> standardized distance (something between 100 to 150 yards), a full or
> partial York and other kinds shoots.  The IKAC also should have indoor
> and outdoor components of the shoot and have the IKAC season start with
> the indoor segment and end with the outdoor shoots.

Instead of changing the IKAC to that extent, just establish a new
contest, publish the rules and see who will shoot it.  The IKAC has
been around for a long time and has become a standard in part to that
time.

The York Round, though, is still technically outside SCA period.

I tried the period target concept with the Unicorn Archery Challenges
with the wreath, window and stump.  I was interested to see if there
would be any interest and there was, more so in the Wreath than the
other targets.  But, sometimes it takes someone ELSE to start a new
contest, instead of changing the old contest.

--
THL Caedmon Wilson

Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal

Leather Armor at Blacktower Enterprises
http://www.paragonkeep.com/BTE.html

> Instead of changing the IKAC to that extent, just establish a new
> contest, publish the rules and see who will shoot it.  The IKAC has
> been around for a long time and has become a standard in part to
> that time.

The past couple of seasons the number of people shooting IKACs seems to
have declined.  My take is that this is due to the scores not being
posted in a timely manner and the trend moving towards novelty shoots.
The IKAC by it's name is an inter-kingdom competition and really ought
to be run by the society and not as a private shoot.

This would be a good point to redefine the IKAC by the society and
kingdom archery leadership into something that can used as a tool to
push archery forward.

Michael

> This would be a good point to redefine the IKAC by the society and
> kingdom archery leadership into something that can used as a tool to
> push archery forward.

I cannot disagree more.  The "interkingdom" in the name is only a
label, not a mandate.  It was a privately-created shoot and should
stay that way.  It has become a standard due to use, not mandate.

--
THL Caedmon Wilson

Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal

Leather Armor at Blacktower Enterprises
http://www.paragonkeep.com/BTE.html

I am looking for back and hip quiver patterns.  Any assitance would be
appreciated.

> I cannot disagree more.  The "interkingdom" in the name is only a
> label, not a mandate.  It was a privately-created shoot and should
> stay that way.  It has become a standard due to use, not mandate.

I guess we just have to disagree.  The SCA has been given quazi-
official status as the results have been published in kingdom
newsletters unlike other private shoots.

Michael

I started the IKAC as a privately sponsored  shoot  and I strongly
feel that it should stay that way. If the "society" wants to run an
archery shoot they can set up and run their own.  But, I believe that
the "society" has absolutely no right to take over and change a
private competition of any kind except for safety reasons or mundane
law.  I do not believe that those conditions apply to the thirty year
old IKAC.

However, I still feel that input from the archers in the society is
worthwhile and should be taken into consideration when considering a
change to the IKAC rules.  I also believe that this group is a good
place to discuss any possible changes.  But, we need to hear from
Lorenzo, the current Keeper of the IKAC.  There have already been
some interesting suggestions made by members of this group.

Michael.  I strongly disagree with your stance on this.

Jon

On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:29 PM, hanhebin wrote:
>
>
> The past couple of seasons the number of people shooting IKACs
> seems to
> have declined. My take is that this is due to the scores not being
> posted in a timely manner and the trend moving towards novelty shoots.
> The IKAC by it's name is an inter-kingdom competition and really ought
> to be run by the society and not as a private shoot.
>
> This would be a good point to redefine the IKAC by the society and
> kingdom archery leadership into something that can used as a tool to
> push archery forward.
>
> Michael
>



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Adapted from a suggestion earlier this year from Master Chiddiok:

1 - Go to Pier 1 and get 2 cheap straw placemats
2 - overlap them and sew them together (2 placemats sized 24"X15" sewn
overlapped into a 24X24 square) {sizes are approximated from memory}
3 - Sew them into a hoop
4 - sew the bottom shut, reinforced bottom with fabric if you so choose
5 - weave a net with artificial sinew that ties tightly at each
connection point of the top of the quiver, to hold the quiver open and
stop the feathers from being mashed
6 - Attach an overly long strip of cloth that matches the trim of the
placemats, at the top and bottom of the quiver, and can be looped over
and tied to your belt or go over your head and shoulder

Logan
--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "thmcinnish" <thmcinnish@...>
wrote:
>
> I am looking for back and hip quiver patterns.  Any assitance would
be
> appreciated.
>

I just got off the phone with Lorenzo.  He has all the scores that
were sent in and they will all be entered and on line by the end of
the day on Sunday.  There have been a very large number of scores
sent in this year in the Open and Period divisions.  However, there
have been very few in the crossbow divisions and the competition is
still wide open.  So if you shoot crossbow, shoot and enter your
scores, there is a chance you might make the top three for your kingdom.

Jon

Which would be fine if we WERE an re-enactment society but we
Aren't.  I suggest that everyone read the governing documents
again.  WE are an educational organization.  That we have events in
garb is only a sideshow, an attraction to stimulate a love of learning.
Carolus

At 11:33 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:

>On Nov 7, 2007 11:06 AM, ICE TIGER
><<mailto:ice.tiger%40shaw.ca>ice.tiger@...> wrote:
> > Is there not a period division already? That should be enough to
> serve the interests of those who want to be completely period while
> still allowing those who use other equipment to participate as
> well. Not everyone wants to use completely authentic equipment
> after all and the rules say they don't have to.
>
>I would like to point out that as a historical re-enactment
>organization, we should be striving to achieve period equipment. The
>rules of the SCA may not absolutely require period-type equipment, but
>it does strongly encourage it. I think archery in the SCA would be
>better if we did strive to be more authentic in our equipment.
>
>In armored combat, I am now working in getting ride of my plastic
>armor because it isn't period and detracts from the overall
>appearance. I have to do it piece meal, yes, but I am at least making
>an effort.
>
>And, the prices of period longbows is cheaper than of a modern
>recurve. A Martin X-200 exceeds $230 these days. Woodbows.com will
>sell you a top-quality longbow for $110 to $120, and they are just one
>of a few vendors in that price range.
>
>--
>THL Caedmon Wilson
>
>Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal


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At 05:03 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote:

> > This would be a good point to redefine the IKAC by the society and
> > kingdom archery leadership into something that can used as a tool to
> > push archery forward.
>
>I cannot disagree more. The "interkingdom" in the name is only a
>label, not a mandate. It was a privately-created shoot and should
>stay that way. It has become a standard due to use, not mandate.
>
>--
>THL Caedmon Wilson

As far as I am concerned, Caedmon is 100% right on this one.  If the
SCA wants to create an official competition, that's fine by me, but
it ought to be enough different from the IKAC so as not to steal its
participants  To do otherwise would be disrespectful.
  >
About a year ago we were having a discussion along these lines
which  eventually came to nothing.  Then we were discussing target
faces more correct for the SCA period than the 60cm concentric rings
now in use.  If the SCA is to have a new official competition, it
ought to include a target which could easily have been used in the
SCA period.  I like the idea of the wreath, or something similarly
documentable, even if a standardized target would not have been in
use in our period of interest.
  >
Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)

What exactly is the "York Round"

Thanks!

Lorelei



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For my two cents worth on the subject of period shoots, I think they
would be great, BUT..............  Here's that word.  In my area we
have had many folks join our group (and the SCA) through/becasue of
archery.  As we all know to get reasonably good at archery it takes
lots of practice.  Modern recurve bows "help" the archer.  By that I
mean, they are typically easier to shoot for a variety of reasons.
Yes, I can buy a wood bow from any number of sources on the Internet
or in person for under $100 but the truth is, these bows are
difficult to shoot.  They are more critical for setting up and
matching arrow spine to draw weight, etc., etc.  I'M NOT KNOCKING
WOOD BOWS.  I have 14 bows hanging in my garage right now, some are
all wood and real beauties.  But new archers are looking for some
degree of success to stay encouraged to stay with the sport.  How
many of us have seen a new archer doing the happy dance because
they "finally hit the target" (forget for what score) at 20 yards?

My point here is period is fine, for those of us who have been in
archery for a while and have developed a degree of skill at the
sport.  For new people let's not hamper them with rules requiring
expensive equipment that is more difficult to use.

How many fighters would have become active fighters if the only way
they could have stepped on the field is with "period" armor?  The
guy at Pennsic who sells plastic armor does a fine business for a
reason - he serves the new fighter community.  As they get better,
like archers, they improve their equipment to a more period
appearance.  Perhaps that is the goal for the archery community.
Get them in, get them hooked, get them improved (meaning more
period).

cog

I would say this hit the target... speaking as someone trying to
establish an archery/live weapons group I know that cost is playing
a big part in what people purchase to get started. I know when I
started in heavy fighting most of my armor that wasn't visibly
exposed was plastic because it was much less expensive and got me on
the field faster. I am encountering the same with establishing a
group... bow, arrows (fiber glass and wood) in my case targets and
back stop materials, then you have those that also want to do the
throwing knives and axes (I'd toss spears in but to be honest I
haven't found a place to buy them). Just like starting in heavy
fighting the outlay can be several hundred dollars but in this case
for something you may or may not use more than a few times a year,
granted once established where pratices can occur, etc. it will be a
better seen investment. Right now for a lot of people its "I'll wait
and see" which makes it tough to get started. So pointing out the
period bows which look to require more skill, patience and practice
in my case would be a detriment to getting a group started.

The newbie 2 cents ....

Thanks
Egon DerRichter

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "John and Carol Atkins"
<cogworks@...> wrote:
>
> For my two cents worth on the subject of period shoots, I think
they
> would be great, BUT..............  Here's that word.  In my area
we
> have had many folks join our group (and the SCA) through/becasue
of
> archery.  As we all know to get reasonably good at archery it
takes
> lots of practice.  Modern recurve bows "help" the archer.  By that
I
> mean, they are typically easier to shoot for a variety of
reasons.
> Yes, I can buy a wood bow from any number of sources on the
Internet
> or in person for under $100 but the truth is, these bows are
> difficult to shoot.  They are more critical for setting up and
> matching arrow spine to draw weight, etc., etc.  I'M NOT KNOCKING
> WOOD BOWS.  I have 14 bows hanging in my garage right now, some
are
> all wood and real beauties.  But new archers are looking for some
> degree of success to stay encouraged to stay with the sport.  How
> many of us have seen a new archer doing the happy dance because
> they "finally hit the target" (forget for what score) at 20 yards?
>
> My point here is period is fine, for those of us who have been in
> archery for a while and have developed a degree of skill at the
> sport.  For new people let's not hamper them with rules requiring
> expensive equipment that is more difficult to use.
>
> How many fighters would have become active fighters if the only
way
> they could have stepped on the field is with "period" armor?  The
> guy at Pennsic who sells plastic armor does a fine business for a
> reason - he serves the new fighter community.  As they get better,
> like archers, they improve their equipment to a more period
> appearance.  Perhaps that is the goal for the archery community.
> Get them in, get them hooked, get them improved (meaning more
> period).
>
> cog
>