Wow, 160!! You accepting new students? LOL

-Donal Maclauren

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Gwilym/Bill <scalongbow@...>
wrote:
>
>
> The score is real. He's my student and I wish I could shoot like
him.
> And Christopher is his son and he's coming along well also.
>
> Gwilym
>
>
> 1a.
>
>
>         Re: IKAC/IKCAC Standings - 29 November
>         <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-
Archery/message/21897;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNGdoamc2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI
1OTUzMQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDU3Njc1MDMEbXNnSWQDMjE4OTcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc
2cEc3RpbWUDMTE2NTc2MTU4NA-->
>
>
>
>           Posted by: "hanhebin" hanhebin@...
>           <mailto:hanhebin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20IKAC%2FIKCAC%
20Standings%20-%2029%20November>
>             hanhebin <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hanhebin>
>
>
>             Sat Dec 9, 2006 11:17 am (PST)
>
>      > 1. AETHELMEARC: 309; Laochlain Sylverwulf: 512;
>      > Gwyilym or Afonydd Tair: 209; Christopher Silverwolf:
>      > 206;
>
>     Is that 512 for real or is that a misprint?
>
>     Just curious,
>     Michael
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

What about greg? he puts out like 10-12 arrows with his crossbow
during a timed 30 sec shoot. I can only put out between 7-8 arrows
with my current recurve, was 8-10 before with a lighter recurve.

My point is the crossbow guy can load and shoot fast too, So wouldn't
that completely throw things off?

How do you compete against that?

-Donal Maclauren

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Sebastian Faust
<crossbow@...> wrote:
>
>
> >    As for crossbows, I couldn't agree with you more.  I really
think they
> >are a separate category of shooting.
>
> I may 'slightly' disagree, but that's ok :)
>
> >   Having shot rifles in mundane life,
> >I know that shooting from a sitting position is inherently more
stable than
> >from a standing position.  Most crossbow archers I have ever seen
sit
> >on the firing line, lay their bolts near at hand on the ground,
and are fairly
> >accurate once they have sighted in during early practice rounds.
>
> And this is why some of us Crossbowmen, have chosen to always shoot
> standing (unless the shot calls for otherwise).  In my mind, if I
see
> myself as a period target crossbowman (quite period for myself in
the 16th
> century), I can't find any documentation of these target shoots
being done
> with the archers sitting.  Bench shooting, yes, you can find that.
But
> that is a completely different story from archers walking around
with a
> piece of leather to place on the ground to sit on, and flopping
themselves
> down.
>
> If I consider myself as practicing for combat.  Same problems,
kneeling
> behind a pavise, sure.  So a kneeling crossbowman I don't have a
problem
> with.  But I just can't see a crossbowman running up in the field
of
> battle, dropping to the field and then shooting.
>
> Either way, I don't see the medieval crossbowman sitting on the
> ground.  And so I don't.
>
> >   All that being said, in tournaments if there are some unmarked
> > distances and timed rounds as well as some longer distance
shoots, it can
> > be balanced out
> >to make it a chalenging competition!!
>
> Well said.
>
> As a crossbowman, when I often hear of people complaining about
crossbows,
> and how they are unbalancing at an event ... they never stop to
look at the
> shoot.
>
> Shoots can be well designed to be a balanced competition for all
involved,
> but they quite often aren't.  People designing the shoots think
about what
> would be cool, and stop there, not thinking about balancing them
afterwards.
>
> Usually these shoots where the crossbows overpower the bows, are
ones with
> known distances, no speed rounds, many shots per target, etc.
>
> Most likely someone made a couple of cardboard targets, set them
out, and
> said for everyone to take 6 shots at each untimed.  This is the
> crossbowman's dream.  AS WELL AS anyone who is an accurate, but
slow, shooter.
>
> Some more thought needs put into balancing the overall
competition.  Have a
> good mix of speed & untimed rounds.  Unmarked distances.  Odd
shooting
> conditions.  Movement of the archer (a 'running' shoot), etc.
Kill/Wound
> zones.  One/two shot targets, etc.
>
> Looking into these ideas and thinking about balancing your shoot
between
> the faster less accurate archers, and the slower more accurate
archers, and
> you will find a good competition with the bows & crossbows running
neck&neck.
>
> Conversely, I have been to competitions, that as a crossbowman,
were
> IMPOSSIBLE for me to win.
>
> One example was an event I went to, a large roving range, with,
let's say,
> 10 targets.  Every single target was a single arrow, with just a 1-
point
> for a hit.  EXCEPT for one.  Ok, so right now you have a 9-point
total match.
>
> The 'last' target, was a speed round, against multiple targets, on
which
> one of the targets had multiple hits possible, and that target had
a
> 2-point (large) kill zone.  But you had to hit these two other
targets
> first.  (Standard hunter & his dogs idea)  Well, being a standing
> crossbowman, I can get 5-6 shots off in 30 seconds.  With multiple
targets,
> make that only 5.  So at most, I could get 8 points here.  giving
me a
> maximum for the course, of 17 points.  However, the bowmen there
who could
> shoot 10-12 arrows in 30 seconds, could get a maximum of 18-22
points on
> that one shoot alone.  Meaning that they could have skipped the
whole rest
> of the shoot, showed up only at that one target, and outshoot me
for the
> whole competition *grin*
>
> Anyway, the point is, that shoots can be unbalanced in either
direction,
> and unfortuantely, the 'standard shoots' tend to be a bit
unbalanced in the
> direction of the crossbow.
>
> >Crossbow Royal Round, essentially the only difference would be to
> >have everyone shoot from a standing postion (kneeling behind a
shield
> >on the battlefield was also period for crossbows)  and adjust
somehow
> >for the difference in a crossbows rate of fire for a 30-second
round.
>
> Well, a number of people & myself have discussed the RR as it
stands, and
> have decided (open to debate here), that the RR IS balanced, at
the '100'
> mark.  That is to say, once you start hitting around a score of
100, the
> bowman and crossbowman, are at similar levels of practice, skill,
> effort.  Because the speed portion of the competition really starts
to
> become important at these higher scores.
>
> At the lower score levels, the crossbowman jumps up the rank
> quicker.  Because of the reliance of short range, untimed accuracy
at known
> distances.  All things in the crossbowmans favor.
>
> The idea had been tossed around, of a modifed ranking system, to
make
> things equal perhaps.  Currently, in Atlantia, we have:
> 40  - Marksman
> 60  - Bowman
> 80  - Bowman Elite
> 100 - Grand Bowman Elite
>
> The idea to 'balance' the crossbows, would be to have 15point steps
for
> them, starting down from 100:
> 55  - Marksman
> 70  - Bowman
> 85  - Bowman Elite
> 100 - Grand Bowman Elite
>
> With the idea again being that things are already balanced at the
100
> mark.  But that this raises the 'entry level' bar for the
crossbowmen.
>
> Siegfried
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
___
> THL Siegfried Sebastian Faust     Baronial Web Minister & Archery
Marshal
> Barony of Highland Foorde        http://highland-
foorde.atlantia.sca.org/
>

Just found a short video on the longbow versus the crossbow.

http://ourdoomblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/longbow-versus-crossbow.html

Jon

The video book trailer for my wife's, Baroness  Morgan Fitz-Rauf,
latest book is finally done thanks to the efforts of some of the
local members of the West.  We added some more scenes, dialog and an
original music score.  Many of the shots were composited using green
screen to allow some distant backgrounds.  Take a look and see who
you can spot.  I am the old ghost in the kettle hat.  And if you are
interested you might also buy the book. ;-)

Now I can get back to shooting targets and people instead of video
for a while. :-)

Jon




Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
cunning of mind.



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John edgerton wrote:

  > Just found a short video on the longbow versus the crossbow.
  >
  > http://ourdoomblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/longbow-versus-crossbow.html
  >
  > Jon

Ok, I have never been a big fan of the research on that BBC show. Or
rather the lack of research. Now the conclusion on rate of fire they
reach is interesting. But what did they sacrifice to reach it.

With a period release, on period style bow, starting without being
spanned and loaded, four bolts in thirty seconds, using a belt claw to
load is an amazing performance. So I have to question how powerful was
the bow. How much training did the men have ect, ect, ect.

In fact I wonder about all the bows he showed. They just didn't look
like they were performing the way a bow of the correct power should.

Anyone know which episode this was? (of course maybe I shouldn't, I
might end up yelling at the TV screen again)

Njall

>
P.S

I left out the line for the site on YouTube.  It is:  http://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J30cPmDVQQ8

Sorry.  Dumb, very dumb, dumbest.

Jon

Here it is again without the break in the link and on one line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J30cPmDVQQ8

Jon

On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:47 PM, John edgerton wrote:

> >
> P.S
>
> I left out the line for the site on YouTube. It is: http://
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=J30cPmDVQQ8
>
> Sorry. Dumb, very dumb, dumbest.
>
> Jon
>



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Just a reminder.  Saint Sebastian's day is January 20. Saint
Sebastian was the medieval saint for:

archers; armourers; arrowsmiths; athletes; diocese of Bacolod,
Philippines; bookbinders; diseased cattle; dying people; enemies of
religion; fletchers; gardeners; gunsmiths; Huelva, Spain; Hünxe,
Germany; iron mongers; lacemakers; laceworkers; lead workers; masons;
plague; police; Pontifical Swiss Guards; racquet makers; Rio de
Janeiro, Brazil; San Sebastian, Puerto Rico; soldiers; Spanish police
officers; stone masons; stonecutters; diocese of Tarlac, Philippines


Jon

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That guy got around!!  The Wikipedia article on St. Sebastian is  interesting
. Good thing he likes archers, even after being shot by so many  arrows!

Lorelei

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian)

In a message dated 1/7/2007 2:31:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sirjon1@... writes:

Just a  reminder.  Saint Sebastian's day is January 20. Saint
Sebastian  was the medieval saint for:

archers; armourers; arrowsmiths; athletes;  diocese of Bacolod,
Philippines; bookbinders; diseased cattle; dying  people; enemies of
religion; fletchers; gardeners; gunsmiths;  Huelva, Spain; Hünxe,
Germany; iron mongers; lacemakers;  laceworkers; lead workers; masons;
plague; police; Pontifical Swiss  Guards; racquet makers; Rio de
Janeiro, Brazil; San Sebastian,  Puerto Rico; soldiers; Spanish police
officers; stone masons;  stonecutters; diocese of Tarlac,  Philippines


Jon





Lorelei


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Greetings

I will be running a target crossbow competition at Estrella War.  It
will use period style target competitions.  The basic rules are
below. In addition to a prize for the top crossbow shooter, all those
shooting will get  some of the Saint Sebastian Archer coins.  The
time and date are not yet set, but it will be on the archery range.
I will announce the day and time as soon as I know.

Please pass this information to any crossbow shooters in your area
that may be attending.

Jon


The competition will have no timed ends.  The scoring area on the
targets will be small.  However, due to the size of the range, it may
not be not possible to have distances much greater than 40 yards.
The crossbows may be shot from any position and may be directly
supported.  No front or rear sights.  Crossbows should conform to the
IKAC standards for period crossbows.

The first round is the Florin or coin shoot.  Small "coins" will be
attached to the target face.  If you hit one, you get a point.  You
will receive one  real coin for each point you make.  Six ends of one
bolt. This is based upon the report of Genoese  crossbow marines
shooting from one ship at a coin attached to the mast of on other.

The second round is the Contona shoot.  This has a central scoring
area with four concentric circles, from four to one points.  Around
this center are two outer rings divided into six equal areas, like a
dart board.  However, your hits to these areas score from one to two
negative points and there are two areas where if hit, you lose your
next turn.  Six ends of one bolt.  This is based on the competition
in the Italian City of Contona which is developed from a shoot done
there in medieval times.

The third round is the Wreath shoot.  Your bolts must hit within the
wreath to score.  One end of six bolts. Standard medieval shoot.

The fourth round is a shoot off between the top scoring archers. The
one bolt closest to the center of the target wins.  One end of three
bolts. The winner gets the bolts, in the target, of the losers.
However, they may ransom them with their  coins and the winner must
then return their bolts.  This is also based on medieval Italian
practice in some cities.


   Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
   An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
cunning of mind.



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I've an archer who just called me at work so I'm away from my resources
so I'm going to tap you all.  He has inherited some old target arrows
and a Mongol recurve from a now deceased heavy fighter.  He's given me
this conundrum, he would like to find a method of straightening sealed
warped arrow shafts.  I've no idea where to start with this, so if any
of you know or have heard of a method of doing this, I'll be very
appreciative.

Thanks
Dougal MacAlister

Greetings.  The easiest (in terms of equipment) is to warm the shaft  by
rubbing it vigorously with your hand, then sight down the shaft to determine 
the
bend and flex the arrow in the opposite direction.  With a little  practice,
you can "field straighten" a sealed wooden shaft quickly and easily  this way.

Andras


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A roller straightner, or hook straightner, is a good addition to a
wood-arrow shooter's arrow-making kit.  I use ACE's.

<snip>
Ace Archery Tackle LLC
PO Box 95
Forrest, IL 61741
Tel: 877-549-3444 815-692-6263
Fax: 815-692-6113
ace@...
www.acearcherytackle.com
Est: 1927
Staff: 4
Contact: Bob Mayo
The Ace Shaft Straightener, with 1' hexagonal aluminum handle, solid
brass roller and hardened steel pin, precisely straightens raw wood
shafts up to 3/8'. Extends arrow life. Won't scuff finish.<snip>

They also offer a great wall-mounted spine tester on the cheap.

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, atruemark@... wrote:
>
> Greetings.  The easiest (in terms of equipment) is to warm the
shaft  by
> rubbing it vigorously with your hand, then sight down the shaft to
determine  the
> bend and flex the arrow in the opposite direction.  With a little
practice,
> you can "field straighten" a sealed wooden shaft quickly and
easily  this way.
>
> Andras
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
weight?
I keep getting tempted to buy a spine tester. But the least
expensive one is almost $100.00. I have an out of round gauge (mic)
and base. And I figure it's just a matter of putting two dowels in a
board and mounting the mic on it.

The cheap spine tester I've seen looks like it's 2 horizontal dowels
that the arrow sits in. The first dowel; the arrow rests underneath
just behind the pile. The second dowel appears to have the arrow
resting on top of it near the center-point of the arrow, and a
weight hangs off of the nock side making the arrow deflect, which is
then measured with a compass gauge.

What weight is placed on the arrow and at what distance? I believe
that spine = the compression force at which the arrow will deflect
1".  But how much deflection is this when using an ounce measurement
to apply lateral force?

In a related question, how much does a finish like tongue oil affect
the spine weight of the arrow? I usually buy arrows "pre-spined" and
wonder how much 3 or 4 liberal coats of tongue oil affects the
spine. (which is why I am interested in the spine tester to begin
with).

-Cian

Check out http://www.jamesmhill.com/Spine_Tester.html

I built one including buying the gauge and was still under $50.00.

Rask

Quoting Cian of Storvik <firespiter@...>:

> Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
> weight?
> I keep getting tempted to buy a spine tester. But the least
> expensive one is almost $100.00. I have an out of round gauge (mic)
> and base. And I figure it's just a matter of putting two dowels in a
> board and mounting the mic on it.
>
> The cheap spine tester I've seen looks like it's 2 horizontal dowels
> that the arrow sits in. The first dowel; the arrow rests underneath
> just behind the pile. The second dowel appears to have the arrow
> resting on top of it near the center-point of the arrow, and a
> weight hangs off of the nock side making the arrow deflect, which is
> then measured with a compass gauge.
>
> What weight is placed on the arrow and at what distance? I believe
> that spine = the compression force at which the arrow will deflect
> 1".  But how much deflection is this when using an ounce measurement
> to apply lateral force?
>
> In a related question, how much does a finish like tongue oil affect
> the spine weight of the arrow? I usually buy arrows "pre-spined" and
> wonder how much 3 or 4 liberal coats of tongue oil affects the
> spine. (which is why I am interested in the spine tester to begin
> with).
>
> -Cian
>
>




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Tung oil will not affect your arrow spine because it does not build up much
of a finish and therefore does not increase the stiffness of the shaft any.

However it can add some weight to your shafts is you soak them too much. The
oil polymerizes in the wood and adds a goodly amount of weight.

So be careful and go light on the oil.

Ragi

-----Original Message-----
From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cian of Storvik
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:49 AM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Spine tester

Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
weight?
I keep getting tempted to buy a spine tester. But the least
expensive one is almost $100.00. I have an out of round gauge (mic)
and base. And I figure it's just a matter of putting two dowels in a
board and mounting the mic on it.

The cheap spine tester I've seen looks like it's 2 horizontal dowels
that the arrow sits in. The first dowel; the arrow rests underneath
just behind the pile. The second dowel appears to have the arrow
resting on top of it near the center-point of the arrow, and a
weight hangs off of the nock side making the arrow deflect, which is
then measured with a compass gauge.

What weight is placed on the arrow and at what distance? I believe
that spine = the compression force at which the arrow will deflect
1".  But how much deflection is this when using an ounce measurement
to apply lateral force?

In a related question, how much does a finish like tongue oil affect
the spine weight of the arrow? I usually buy arrows "pre-spined" and
wonder how much 3 or 4 liberal coats of tongue oil affects the
spine. (which is why I am interested in the spine tester to begin
with).

-Cian



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Thanks Ragi,
I usually keep applying the oil until it gets a sheen on it. But as
you say, it's probably sufficient to apply a coat let that dry, then
steel-wool-off the raised grain and wipe on a second coat before
buffing.
Normally, I will go through nearly half of a bottle of true-oil on a
dozen arrows.
-Cian

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Rj Bachner" <ragiwarmbear@...>
wrote:
> So be careful and go light on the oil.
>
> Ragi

I made one of these, and have 2 additions and a shopping
recommendation.

1 - take a flat cube of wood 1/2" on each side, and a hole the size of
the plunger of the dial indicator, 3/8" deep, and put this on the
plunger.  Otherwise, aligning the plunger exactly at the center of the
shaft is a pain, and will result in significant error

2 - Make another weight, exactly 8 ounces, to use for lighter shafts.
The formula for conversion, I _think_ is half deflection for 1/4 of
the weight... simple trial and error will allow a second scale to be
made, and you won't be bending your light shafts to near-breaking.

shopping - Harbor freight sometimes has the dial indicator for CHEAP!
If you are going to use a tool every day, don't buy cheap, but if it
is something you rarely use, Harbor freight is often the place to go.
I got my dial indicator for <$10, when it was on sale there.  (except
for professional arrow makers, no one I know goes through a gross a
year.  If you are making more than that, getting a "real" spine tester
is worth the investment...

Logan

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, dmerrill@... wrote:
>
> Check out http://www.jamesmhill.com/Spine_Tester.html
>
> I built one including buying the gauge and was still under $50.00.
>
> Rask
>
> Quoting Cian of Storvik <firespiter@...>:
>
> > Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
> > weight?

The hardware store carries something called "danish oil", but I forget
the brand name.  It doesn't affect the spine either, but does affect
the weight, and can add a LOT of weight to it...

for my top-of-the-line spine and weight matched arrows used for the
once-a-year most important tournament, I will match the arrows by
spine weight, and then carefully mass-weigh each shaft, and soak the
lightest ones in danish oil to raise their mass-weights up to similar
weights.  This doesn't help much with 20 yard shoots, but is a
significant advantage in the clout.

My danish oil soaking device is a "lead" pipe with end caps and a T
for oil addition.

The danish oil seems to not affect the arrow laquer from adhering to
the shafts, but I wouldn't trust gluing feathers straight to oil-
soaked wood.

Is there any problem with feathers adhering to tung-oil soaked shafts?

Logan

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Cian of Storvik" <firespiter@...>
wrote:
>
>
> --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Rj Bachner" <ragiwarmbear@>
> wrote:
> > So be careful and go light on the oil.
> >
> > Ragi
>

I go through several hundred shafts a year (about 1200 last year) and find this
to be better than the "real" spline testor that I used to won. I do like your
block idea though.  I got my dial indicator off eBay.

Rask


Quoting logantheboweyder <logantheboweyder@...>:

> I made one of these, and have 2 additions and a shopping
> recommendation.
>
> 1 - take a flat cube of wood 1/2" on each side, and a hole the size of
> the plunger of the dial indicator, 3/8" deep, and put this on the
> plunger.  Otherwise, aligning the plunger exactly at the center of the
> shaft is a pain, and will result in significant error
>
> 2 - Make another weight, exactly 8 ounces, to use for lighter shafts.
> The formula for conversion, I _think_ is half deflection for 1/4 of
> the weight... simple trial and error will allow a second scale to be
> made, and you won't be bending your light shafts to near-breaking.
>
> shopping - Harbor freight sometimes has the dial indicator for CHEAP!
> If you are going to use a tool every day, don't buy cheap, but if it
> is something you rarely use, Harbor freight is often the place to go.
> I got my dial indicator for <$10, when it was on sale there.  (except
> for professional arrow makers, no one I know goes through a gross a
> year.  If you are making more than that, getting a "real" spine tester
> is worth the investment...
>
> Logan
>
> --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, dmerrill@... wrote:
> >
> > Check out http://www.jamesmhill.com/Spine_Tester.html
> >
> > I built one including buying the gauge and was still under $50.00.
> >
> > Rask
> >
> > Quoting Cian of Storvik <firespiter@...>:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
> > > weight?
>
>
>




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When Cian of Storvik put fingers to keys it was 1/12/07 9:48 AM...

> What weight is placed on the arrow and at what distance? I believe
> that spine = the compression force at which the arrow will deflect
> 1".  But how much deflection is this when using an ounce measurement
> to apply lateral force?

Standard spine measurement is done with supports 26" apart. A two-pound
weight is hung from the center of the shaft. The deflection is measured.
There are tables/charts that translate deflection to spine, some testers
indicate directly in spine. Or you could just get used to working in
terms of deflection. Zero your gauge for each arrow.

--
Fritz
Aut invenian viam aut faciam.

logantheboweyder wrote:

  > The hardware store carries something called "danish oil", but I forget
  > the brand name. It doesn't affect the spine either, but does affect
  > the weight, and can add a LOT of weight to it...

Danish oil is made under the Watco Brand. Which is now owned by Min-Wax.
Many years ago Min-Wax bought Watco and promptly shut it down. Best
guess is Danish Oil was making inroads on Min-Wax's wood stain sales.
Well, not long ago, after much public input (that's the polite way to
say it), they brought the Watco Danish Oil line back. From what I can
tell, the product seems unchanged from that in my supply cache purchased
many years ago when the product was dropped.

Danish oil is a hardening oil with relatively low penetration. It does
harden the surface of the wood somewhat. So it has to have some effect
on the spine. But maybe not enough to tell.

Any oil based product is going to be absorbed somewhat. And depending on
the grain, that absorption could very from shaft to shaft. Even if it
doesn't effect the spine, it is going to cause a difference in weight.

I love Danish oil, just not for arrow shafts :)

Njall

I am looking for information on the position of Archery Champion in
various kingdoms.  The West has just created its first archery
champion and I would like to find information on how other kingdoms
select theirs and what the duties may be?  In the West the position
includes both target and combat archery and serves for one year.

Thank you for any help you can give.

Jon




Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
cunning of mind.



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Calontir

My understanding is that in Calontir, there is no Kingdom archery
champion.  However, Their Majesties may choose, by Their discretion,
Their own champion. (King's or Queen's Champion, rather than Kingdom
champion)

There is a King's Companie of Archers tournament (KCAT)once per
year, and 9 champions are named, (Bow, Longbow, and Crossbow X
Huscarl, Fyrd, "unranked"), and the top scoring champion is usually
recognized at that night's court, but those individuals are
mentioned as KCAT champion, rather than Kingdom Archery champion.

As well, there is a Queen's Yeoman's tournament, which includes
Longbow, Axe, Knife, and Spear, but the individuals Her Royal
Majesty recognizes are known as Queen's Yeomen, rather than Kingdom
Champions.

Logan, Boga Fyrd, Kingdom of Calontir
--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
wrote:
>
> I am looking for information on the position of Archery Champion
in
> various kingdoms.  The West has just created its first archery
> champion and I would like to find information on how other
kingdoms
> select theirs and what the duties may be?  In the West the
position
> includes both target and combat archery and serves for one year.
>
> Thank you for any help you can give.
>
> Jon
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> Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
> An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
> cunning of mind.
>
>
>
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>

Excellent.  Thank you for the information.  Do they have any duties?

Jon
On Jan 12, 2007, at 3:25 PM, logantheboweyder wrote:

> Calontir
>
> My understanding is that in Calontir, there is no Kingdom archery
> champion. However, Their Majesties may choose, by Their discretion,
> Their own champion. (King's or Queen's Champion, rather than Kingdom
> champion)
>
> There is a King's Companie of Archers tournament (KCAT)once per
> year, and 9 champions are named, (Bow, Longbow, and Crossbow X
> Huscarl, Fyrd, "unranked"), and the top scoring champion is usually
> recognized at that night's court, but those individuals are
> mentioned as KCAT champion, rather than Kingdom Archery champion.
>
> As well, there is a Queen's Yeoman's tournament, which includes
> Longbow, Axe, Knife, and Spear, but the individuals Her Royal
> Majesty recognizes are known as Queen's Yeomen, rather than Kingdom
> Champions.
>
> Logan, Boga Fyrd, Kingdom of Calontir


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--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Cian of Storvik" <firespiter@...>
wrote:
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> Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
> weight?

> -Cian
>


--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
, "Cian of Storvik"
<firespiter@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a plan to make an instrument to measure spine
> weight?
....
> -Cian
>

Cian,

Here's a link to another set of plans that includes a printable
deflection dial.  The article talks about scaling it up with a photo
copier, but that was before conversion to PDF. I printed the dial out
on some bright white cardstock as is and it works
just fine.

I used a few modifications on the one I built.  Shelf
brackets instead of building a box, and a wooden wheel from a craft
store for the needle hub which I made from some leftover brass rods.
I glued the dial to an old clip board backing and friction fit it to
the hub so I could zero the scale out.

   It's dead simple, and dirt cheap!!
I'd post pictures but my camera is having driver issues.


Here's the link:
http://www.geocities.com/archeryrob/jcs_spine_tester.htm
<http://www.geocities.com/archeryrob/jcs_spine_tester.htm>

If this link is down just do a web search for "2Jays" this is the
screen name for this article's creator, you'll find several sites
with these plans.

Good luck!




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Greetings

In the Middle, there is no office of champion as such. Champions are appointed
by the crown - normally these are Royal Champions, although there have on
occasion been King's Champion and Queen's Champion. The way the system is
supposed to function, the Crown appoints at the beginning of their reign a
variety of Champions to represent their interest in those martial activities.
Often they do appoint archery champions, sometimes they don't. The
Archer-General ooght to act as an advisor, passing along names he or she feels
ought to be recognized as such. The achery champions aren't necessarily the
undisputed best shots in the kingdom, or even the winners of some specific
event, but rather that archer who will act as the most effective
spokesperson/cheerleader/representative of that activity. At least, thats the
theory - actual practice may vary. "Term" is the duration of the reign, max of 6
months. Duties are unspecified, but there is sort of an understanding that the
Archery C!
  hampion will attend Court when possible, with regalia, and otherwise be a
visible presence and sign of Royal patronage of the activity. Beyond that, if
the selected person is proactive and assertive, they may influence archery in
their time in one way or another.

Nigel

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> I am looking for information on the position of Archery Champion in
> various kingdoms.  The West has just created its first archery
> champion and I would like to find information on how other kingdoms
> select theirs and what the duties may be?  In the West the position
> includes both target and combat archery and serves for one year.
>
> Thank you for any help you can give.
>
> Jon
>
> Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
> An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
> cunning of mind.
>
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Three things never heard from the mouth of a Celt:
	 "Do these colors match?"
	 "Is this too much jewelry?"
	 "Is that my drink?"

http://web.raex.com/~obsidian/index.html


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Most useful.

Thank you

Jon

On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Bruce R. Gordon wrote:

> Greetings
>
> In the Middle, there is no office of champion as such. Champions
> are appointed by the crown - normally these are Royal Champions,
> although there have on occasion been King's Champion and Queen's
> Champion. The way the system is supposed to function, the Crown
> appoints at the beginning of their reign a variety of Champions to
> represent their interest in those martial activities. Often they do
> appoint archery champions, sometimes they don't. The Archer-General
> ooght to act as an advisor, passing along names he or she feels
> ought to be recognized as such. The achery champions aren't
> necessarily the undisputed best shots in the kingdom, or even the
> winners of some specific event, but rather that archer who will act
> as the most effective spokesperson/cheerleader/representative of
> that activity. At least, thats the theory - actual practice may
> vary. "Term" is the duration of the reign, max of 6 months. Duties
> are unspecified, but there is sort of an understanding that the
> Archery C!
> hampion will attend Court when possible, with regalia, and
> otherwise be a visible presence and sign of Royal patronage of the
> activity. Beyond that, if the selected person is proactive and
> assertive, they may influence archery in their time in one way or
> another.
>
> Nigel
>
> >
> >
> > I am looking for information on the position of Archery Champion in
> > various kingdoms. The West has just created its first archery
> > champion and I would like to find information on how other kingdoms
> > select theirs and what the duties may be? In the West the position
> > includes both target and combat archery and serves for one year.
> >
> > Thank you for any help you can give.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
> > An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
> > cunning of mind.
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> --
> Three things never heard from the mouth of a Celt:
> "Do these colors match?"
> "Is this too much jewelry?"
> "Is that my drink?"
>
> http://web.raex.com/~obsidian/index.html
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In Ansteorrra, each reign has an Archery Champion (Royal Huntsman) chosen at a
competition held by the in coming Crown. Format varies but usually includes both
target and combat archery. The Royal Huntsman duties vary, but usually includes
standing behind the thrones in court as well as making sure that a recognized
archer stands in his place if he is unable to attend an event where TRM's will
be.

Yours in Service,
Michel mac Donnchaid


----- Original Message ----
From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:53:18 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Archery Champions?

I am looking for information on the position of Archery Champion in
various kingdoms. The West has just created its first archery
champion and I would like to find information on how other kingdoms
select theirs and what the duties may be? In the West the position
includes both target and combat archery and serves for one year.

Thank you for any help you can give.

Jon

Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
cunning of mind.

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Thank you.

Jon
On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Mike Gideon wrote:

> In Ansteorrra, each reign has an Archery Champion (Royal Huntsman)
> chosen at a competition held by the in coming Crown. Format varies
> but usually includes both target and combat archery. The Royal
> Huntsman duties vary, but usually includes standing behind the
> thrones in court as well as making sure that a recognized archer
> stands in his place if he is unable to attend an event where TRM's
> will be.
>
> Yours in Service,
> Michel mac Donnchaid


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