Just a note, that as of last December in Atlantia, powermaster's
cannot be used to shoot Royal Rounds ...

Due to their obvious modern rifle-stock appearance.

Note this is just an Atlantian thing.  (Though other Kingdoms may have
similar rules)

Siegfried


On 5/2/05, bryan <boverhultz@...> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have an old powermaster crossbow that I am looking to sell for 50.00 plus
> shipping (about 10.00). It is has an 80lb draw and other ladies I know can
> draw it with out any problem. It will work just fine for the open division
> only. If you are interested you can contact me off list at
> boverhultz@... or call me at (720) 327-7672
>
> In Service to the Dream,
> Lord Ingvarr Halvarson
> Canton of Hawks Hollow, Barony of Caerthe, Kingdom of Outlands
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Dawn Perez
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:08 AM
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] Greetings and help
>
> Hello, I am Albina Gherardi of the Canton of Crois Brigte in the
> barony of Sacred Stone, kingdon of Atlantia.  I am a fairly new
> crossbow archer, having used compound and recurve bows for hunting in
> the past.  I am looking for a small pound draw weight crossbow, with
> out a huge pricetag.  I am sure they exist, but I have not been too
> successfull on the internet.  Any help would be appreciated.
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replied off list.

Thanks!

Does anyone know of a good source for bamboo? (preferably already dry, but
that's not an absolute requirment)  I've seen several sources where it
can be purchased already cut down in pieces for backing a bow, but I'm
more interested in cutting it down myself.

 	 --Aylwin

Frank's Cane and Rush in Huntington Beach, CA is where many bowyers purchase it.
Most buy it already split but you can also get the culms to split yourself. 
They even have the tools for splitting the culms.
www.franksupply.com

Guy

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> Does anyone know of a good source for bamboo? (preferably already dry, but
> that's not an absolute requirment) I've seen several sources where it
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This past weekend, Laochlin shot his second score of 142.  This brings
his average to 141.00  To give you an idea of how much he shoots, this
was his 5th royal round that day.

Robert the Grey
AEthelmearc Scorekeeper

An archery club in Poland shoots a variety of speed events at
different distances.  They cite ...

  "follows the rules set down by the Guiness Book of Records i.e.
that the diameter of the target in inches equals the number of
complete yards in the shooting distance. The minimum shooting
distance is 15 metres. The current world record, recorded in the
Guiness Book of Records, stands at 21 arrows in one minute."

Apparently hitting the target anywhere counts, as opposed to SCA
point scoring.  They shoot at 30,50,70 and 90 meters.  At the
longest distance the target is about 8 feet across, I recon.

Anyway, our SCA heros should be able to beat that record.

     kinjal

I like the team Idea. Four to ten or more on a team.  The Team capt can help
set the angle for his team.  They all must loose within 3 seconds of each
other(on command).  The team with the smallest circle or arrows(like a
string shoot) or the longest added to the closest.

The idea is that in battle the best team of archers puts the most arrows
close to the enemy's King(all at the same time)...maybe killing his
aid-decamp or even hitting the king himself in the eye.  In a hail of arrows
it is hard to keep track of the ones that will hit you, from the ones that
will not.

James Cunningham
Who has seen the incoming arrows at Gulf Wars


> Consider it from a 'war setting' rather than a 'list' competition.
> In our military today, marksmanship training is more based on
> familiarity than accuracy, though 'exceptional skill' is
> recognized.  In a battle it is essential that everyone shoot -- with
> accuracy secondary.  You may recall that in WWI many soldiers died
> without ever firing their weapon.  So if you have 'untrained
> archers' under your command in a medieval battle you would wish to
> have confidence that they will shoot on command -- hopefuly in the
> general direction of the enemy.  This will allow
> your 'sharpshooters' to pick selected targets.  Thus the
> desired 'practice' is in getting arrows off, not in fine accuracy.
> Perhaps a 'greater distance shoot can be planned -- say 150 yards.
> One point for each arrow loosed -- 4 points for each hit.  I'd even
> offer a prize!
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Look for an Gamo or Wamo with an aluminum prod bow as a starter crossbow.
If you have someone who can work wood you can make one.  You will find that
most crossbows under 100 lb draw are hard to shoot accurately beyond 20
yards( the rainbow effect). I will send her some pics privatly.

James Cunningham


> Hello, I am Albina Gherardi of the Canton of Crois Brigte in the
> barony of Sacred Stone, kingdon of Atlantia.  I am a fairly new
> crossbow archer, having used compound and recurve bows for hunting in
> the past.  I am looking for a small pound draw weight crossbow, with
> out a huge pricetag.  I am sure they exist, but I have not been too
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according to an English site, the type of shoot members here have been
discussing (mound of dirt or large ground target) is actually "Cloud"
shooting.  "Clout" archery is, "An English form, clout involves
shooting at ridiculously small targets at long distance, so long in
fact that it is necessary for a man to stand by the target to signal
where the arrow landed so allowing the archer to adjust his aim."

    http://users.aber.ac.uk/club20/arch_styles.htm

    kinjal

Do not be so shy Siegfried!!

His site has some nice crossbows to look at and dream about until he gets
back to making them.
http://crossbows.biz/  It will give you some idea of the kind of crossbows
that are out there.

James Cunningham
Let it never be said that I did not shove someone into the spot light when
they needed it.

  - Who gosh dern it needs to get his list of projects
> finished so he can get back to making crossbows.

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Pratt, Jr."
<cunning@f...> wrote:
> I like the team Idea. Four to ten or more on a team.  The Team capt
can help set the angle for his team.  They all must loose within 3
seconds of each other(on command).  The team with the smallest circle
or arrows(like a string shoot) or the longest added to the closest.

+++ I understand there is an ancient 'team contest' in which for every
arrow that misses the target the entire team must step back one pace
for the next round.  In SCA only one team could shoot at time for
safety reasons -- say each member of a 6-10 man team shoots three
arrows at 30 yards.  Then they retreat as required by missed shots.
They shoot another round of three and repeat for possibly 4-6 rounds.
A poor shot would require the team to shoot farther, but also at
unpracticed distances -- a real challenge.

  kinjal
>
>

A historic moment, and it happened in AEthelmearc!  Congratulations.  This
proves what I have been hearing regarding AEthelmearc archery!  Now we
really do need a name for the rank.  I like the idea of calling it the
Laochlin Level or the Silverwolf Level.  Will there be any sort of social
gathering of archers at Pennsic this year which Laochlin might attend?  I'd
like to shake the hand that looses the arrows.  Perhaps we could hold some
sort of Robin Hood Meets William Tell party.
  >
Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)
  >
>This past weekend, Laochlin shot his second score of 142.  This brings
>his average to 141.00  To give you an idea of how much he shoots, this
>was his 5th royal round that day.
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green or some other alien type....

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>From: "Robert" <robertgrey@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [SCA-Archery] Loachlin update
>Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 00:38:05 -0000
>
>This past weekend, Laochlin shot his second score of 142.  This brings
>his average to 141.00  To give you an idea of how much he shoots, this
>was his 5th royal round that day.
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It's not called hawkwinging," hawkwind" is simply the name he gave those
types of arrows. Call it a brand name. What drilling out the back end
did was make the arrow correct in flight quicker. If for example a
normal arrow corrects at 10 feet one with a drilled out back end would
correct at five feet. At least that's how I remember it being explained.
Dalton

jameswolfden wrote:

>Bobtailing might also work. I have heard about three different(two
>opposite) definitions of bobtailing so I will describe what I mean.
>This is where only the last 1/3 of the shaft (nock end) is tapered.
>This has minimal effect of arrow spine and a faster recovery. It is
>relatively simple to do with a pencil and scraper. It is period.
>
>I have never heard of hawkwinging before but it sounds like an
>attempt to lighten the arrow without affecting spine. As such,
>tapering in some fashion would appear to accomplish the same.
>
>James
>
>--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Ragi of House brokenaxe
><ragiwarmbear@s...> wrote:
>
>
>>making the point end heavier will reduce the effective spine of the
>>
>>
>arrows so ya have to avoid doing
>
>
>>that if you can. barrel tapering is a balance of forces as it were,
>>
>>
>the tapered ends weakens the
>
>
>>spine of the shaft yes but the lighter ends recover faster and the
>>
>>
>effective spine is not much
>
>
>>affected if done right.
>>
>>in this light I am not sure what hawkwinging yer arrows would do.
>>
>>a footing is another way to mess with the system, it does increase
>>
>>
>the foc some and can also stiffen
>
>
>>the effective spine of the arrow if it is long enough, say 1/3 of
>>
>>
>the total length of the arrow. so
>
>
>>it can also be used to come to a balance and it does make the
>>
>>
>arrows tougher in day to day use.
>
>
>>ragi
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 2 May 2005 11:37:12 -0400, you, with reckless abandon,
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>Wouldn't it be easier to make the point end heavier?   Via higher
>>>grain tips, or putting a little lead in the tips, or heck ...
>>>
>>>
>doing a
>
>
>>>footing?
>>>
>>>Siegfried
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/2/05, Ragi of House brokenaxe <ragiwarmbear@s...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Heya
>>>>
>>>>I have been mucking about with barrel tapered shafts now for a
>>>>
>>>>
>while, I have a nice jig to make em
>
>
>>>>chucked in a drill and they are fast and accurate to make.
>>>>
>>>>I remember a few years ago dalton mentioning to me about David
>>>>
>>>>
>mac dougall making hawkwing arrows
>
>
>>>>where the shaft under the fletching was hollowed out to lighten
>>>>
>>>>
>the end of the arrow. for the cost
>
>
>>>>and effort involved, is Hawkwinging worth the effort as opposed
>>>>
>>>>
>to tapering the shafting?
>
>
>>>>How deep did the drilling go into the shaft, I cant imagine that
>>>>
>>>>
>it went more than 4 inches deep and
>
>
>>>>this has to weaken the shaft some doesn't it? again does not
>>>>
>>>>
>tapering the shaft offer another
>
>
>>>>advantage  again? that of strength?
>>>>
>>>>I really have no intention of doing or trying to do hawkwings
>>>>
>>>>
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theres a supply house for rattan and bamboo in new jersy that i found in
a book on making bamboo fly rods, with bamboo up to 6 inches in
diameter.i  was planning an order myself for a laminated bow but have no
time. inn see if i can find the adress for you.i belive i was quoted
something like a hundred dollars for 4 to six peices 8 ft long or some
such.mike power

Good Fellow Archers,

I am very flattered at the thought that you would want to name the new rank
after me, but I think it should be along the lines that reflect SCA and
Medieval Archery. So if you would please do not use my name.

Master Gwylim thought that I sould also let you know that I spend a minimum
of 20 hours a week at the range shooting, with some days shooting 4-5 royal
rounds in each form. As of late its been just sooting at all different
distances and positions.

All I can really say is that I don't feel I do anything special I just go
and shoot. There are days that I don't post any scores because they suck.

I also brew (cordials, wines and I am looking at beers), cook, trying to
start doing scrolls, want to make arrows and try flint knapping arrow
heads.......just a little info:)


In service to Malccom and Tessa most Sylvan King and Queen of Aethelmearc,
SCA Archery, Master Gwylim, and the Dream.

just Laochlain

Timothy A. Henry
29 Mockingbird Drive
Indiana PA 15701




>From: James Koch <alchem@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Loachlin update
>Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:44:24 -0400
>
>A historic moment, and it happened in AEthelmearc!  Congratulations.  This
>proves what I have been hearing regarding AEthelmearc archery!  Now we
>really do need a name for the rank.  I like the idea of calling it the
>Laochlin Level or the Silverwolf Level.  Will there be any sort of social
>gathering of archers at Pennsic this year which Laochlin might attend?  I'd
>like to shake the hand that looses the arrows.  Perhaps we could hold some
>sort of Robin Hood Meets William Tell party.
>  >
>Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)
>  >
> >This past weekend, Laochlin shot his second score of 142.  This brings
> >his average to 141.00  To give you an idea of how much he shoots, this
> >was his 5th royal round that day.
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This is just a remminder for anyone who is intersted in going. Please
cross post as needed.

THL Aeddan Ivor

On Target

Date:  May 20 - 22, 2005
Host  The Barony of Lochmere
Description:  The beasts of earth and sky are ducking for cover as
the Barony of Lochmere invites all archers within and beyond
Atlantia's borders to a day of shooting and camaraderie. Archers of
all skill levels as well as non-archers are welcome.
In addition to the annual Lochmere walkthrough shoot, a variety of
contests that will prove both challenging and amusing will be held.
Prizes for the winners will be awarded. Lessons for beginners will be
provided upon request. Space permitting, lawn games will be available
for non-archers.


Food?  After a long day on the range, we will feast on roast pig,
sweet potatoes, and stuffing. A generous lunch will also be provided.

Details:  The site will open Friday, May 20th at 6:00 p.m. and close
at noon on Sunday, May 22nd. The site is wet (no original
containers). Pets are permitted but must be kept on a leash. If you
will be arriving on Friday to camp for the night, please write that
on your reservation.
Cost:  The fee is a modest $8 no matter when you arrive or what you
eat. Non-members add $3. Children ages 0 - 6 are guests of the
Barony.
Reservations:  Kelly Turner
907 Rose Anne Road
Glen Burnie, MD 21060
caitilinlaoghaire@...
Please make checks payable to Barony of Lochmere/SCA, Inc.

Autocrat:  Lord Aeddan Ivor (m.k.a. John Turner) at 410-553-0618 (NLT
9pm) or email aedivor@....
Directions:  Take your best route to Rt. 50 East heading towards the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge. You want the Rt. 70 (Rowe Blvd) exit. At the
bottom of the ramp, bear right onto Rowe Blvd. Cross the bridge
(Weems Creak) and make a left at the light. Make another immediate
left onto Ridgely Ave., and proceed over the small bridge and up the
hill. Turn right onto Riverview and follow it to the end. Site is the
white fence on the right. The route from Rt. 50 will be clearly
marked.
Site Address  100 Riverview Dr., Annapolis, MD 21402.

Greetings
      A modest archer? Sounds Absurd to me... :-)

      But, being slightly more serious, I would feel that you (if anyone) ought
to have some say in what the beastie is called - do you, in fact, have any
opinions on the names that have been mentioned ere this, or, do you have any
ideas of your own on the subject?

Nigel

>
>
> Good Fellow Archers,
>
> I am very flattered at the thought that you would want to name the new rank
> after me, but I think it should be along the lines that reflect SCA and
> Medieval Archery. So if you would please do not use my name.
>
> Master Gwylim thought that I sould also let you know that I spend a minimum
> of 20 hours a week at the range shooting, with some days shooting 4-5 royal
> rounds in each form. As of late its been just sooting at all different
> distances and positions.
>
> All I can really say is that I don't feel I do anything special I just go
> and shoot. There are days that I don't post any scores because they suck.
>
> I also brew (cordials, wines and I am looking at beers), cook, trying to
> start doing scrolls, want to make arrows and try flint knapping arrow
> heads.......just a little info:)
>
>
> In service to Malccom and Tessa most Sylvan King and Queen of Aethelmearc,
> SCA Archery, Master Gwylim, and the Dream.
>
> just Laochlain
>
> Timothy A. Henry
> 29 Mockingbird Drive
> Indiana PA 15701
>
>
>
>
> >From: James Koch <alchem@...>
> >Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> >To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Loachlin update
> >Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:44:24 -0400
> >
> >A historic moment, and it happened in AEthelmearc!  Congratulations.  This
> >proves what I have been hearing regarding AEthelmearc archery!  Now we
> >really do need a name for the rank.  I like the idea of calling it the
> >Laochlin Level or the Silverwolf Level.  Will there be any sort of social
> >gathering of archers at Pennsic this year which Laochlin might attend?  I'd
> >like to shake the hand that looses the arrows.  Perhaps we could hold some
> >sort of Robin Hood Meets William Tell party.
> >  >
> >Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)
> >  >
> > >This past weekend, Laochlin shot his second score of 142.  This brings
> > >his average to 141.00  To give you an idea of how much he shoots, this
> > >was his 5th royal round that day.
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There has been some discussion of distance shoots and size of
targets.  How about really 'short shoots'?  We saw the other day that
15 meters is the minimum for Guiness speed records. Consider these two:

Shooting in a well.  Islamic archers since the Crusades have practiced
shooting an enemy in a well from horseback.  This requires tucking
your head under your draw arm and pulling the arrow up to the opposite
ear and shooting straight down.

Lion hunting.  As lions will attack the galloping horse from the rear
it is essential to be able to shoot 'back and down'.  Practice for
this is shooting arrows into the hoof-prints of your steed at full
gallop.
         and that has to be an impitus for a speed round!

   kinjal

Right you are on this.
Carolus
At 06:09 PM 5/4/2005, you wrote:

>There has been some discussion of distance shoots and size of
>targets.  How about really 'short shoots'?  We saw the other day that
>15 meters is the minimum for Guiness speed records. Consider these two:
>
>Shooting in a well.  Islamic archers since the Crusades have practiced
>shooting an enemy in a well from horseback.  This requires tucking
>your head under your draw arm and pulling the arrow up to the opposite
>ear and shooting straight down.
>
>Lion hunting.  As lions will attack the galloping horse from the rear
>it is essential to be able to shoot 'back and down'.  Practice for
>this is shooting arrows into the hoof-prints of your steed at full
>gallop.
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Lion hunting.  As lions will attack the galloping horse from the rear
it is essential to be able to shoot 'back and down'.  Practice for
this is shooting arrows into the hoof-prints of your steed at full
gallop.
         and that has to be an impitus for a speed round!

   kinjal

ok going to step up here as a horseman and someone that has shoot off of
horseback. This is not a speed thing. But a very deep knowledge of horse and
stride. You should know where your horse's feet are going to be before you
even need to release.  Now I'm not saying that is Not very difficult. It is
extremely difficult but it is not a speed test but a placement test.
Damales

Yeah, but if you don't hurry the Lion is going to eat your horse... ;-)

-Ce'tach


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Lion hunting.  As lions will attack the galloping horse from the rear
it is essential to be able to shoot 'back and down'.  Practice for
this is shooting arrows into the hoof-prints of your steed at full
gallop.
         and that has to be an impitus for a speed round!

   kinjal

ok going to step up here as a horseman and someone that has shoot off of
horseback. This is not a speed thing. But a very deep knowledge of horse and
stride. You should know where your horse's feet are going to be before you
even need to release.  Now I'm not saying that is Not very difficult. It is
extremely difficult but it is not a speed test but a placement test.
Damales




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Well hurry is a relative term. You can see the Lion and have a very good
Idea of where he is going to be in the next few seconds. Now speed would be
if you were riding along and the lion jump out of the bush catching you
unaware. BTW way all this requires skill better then most an more then I
have
Damales

Yeah, but if you don't hurry the Lion is going to eat your horse... ;-)

-Ce'tach


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Lion hunting.  As lions will attack the galloping horse from the rear
it is essential to be able to shoot 'back and down'.  Practice for
this is shooting arrows into the hoof-prints of your steed at full
gallop.
         and that has to be an impitus for a speed round!

   kinjal

ok going to step up here as a horseman and someone that has shoot off of
horseback. This is not a speed thing. But a very deep knowledge of horse and
stride. You should know where your horse's feet are going to be before you
even need to release.  Now I'm not saying that is Not very difficult. It is
extremely difficult but it is not a speed test but a placement test.
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Does the Grayling fletching jig do 90 degree four fletch?

Jon

I don't own a Grayling, but they supposedly have an adapter plate
available seperately that allows 4 fletch feathers. The
left/right/straight clamps are available seperately as well.
The answer is they don't usually, but they can if you get the right
accessories.
-Cian of Storvik
"Storvik means 'fire'...Don't play with Storvik, you might get burned."

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> Does the Grayling fletching jig do 90 degree four fletch?
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> Jon

I have a Grayling and mine came with two plates one for three fletches, one
for four.  I bought my jig about 6 or 7 years ago.

Elizabeth

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Yes, and they generally work pretty well.  I use my Graylings almost as
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All very true, but even more essential to both of these is the draw.  If I
remember my archery texts right, this technique is called jamarki (or somethign
like that, it's been almost 15 years since I read the book), and was used more
for firing straight down walls during a siege than shooting into wells.  The
important thing to remember here is that these shots were done using a thumb
draw on the outside of the bow, with the palm out and as Kinjal originally
pointed out, with one arm up, over the head & behind it (though it would require
considerable overdraw to bring hte string up over the head and behind the left
ear), though in my own attempts to reproduce this many years ago, I had better
luck simply bringing the string up to the right side of my face instead.  This
draw also allowed the horse archers to lay flat back on their horse's
hindquarters & shoot at opponents as they rode away.  Taking this to another
discussion from recent posts, it was also what allowed them to shoot
  several arrows at once.  They would stack very thin arrows atop each other,
hook the thumb on the string, then lay the index finger to the left side of the
stacked arrows and the middle finger to the right to steady the shafts.  The
multiple arrows allowed them to use much thinner shafts, which must have
compensated for the extra weight on the string.  These are not so much speed
shoots as novelty shoots, which require the archer to shoot under unusual or
stressful circumstances (if I have a lion chasing my horse with the intent of
eating it and possibly me, the LAST thing I'm going to do is rush my shot).
       Finally, I've noticed a certain trend here, with the heavy emphasis on
novelty shoots from some members, and a few threads back, an almost disdainful
attitude for static shoots.  As an English persona, I find both critically
important.  First, on the period side of things, the English archer at one point
was required to practice on certain days, and to be able to produce a bow and
three arrows at any given time.  In England, you can see the grooves that yeoman
wore into the stone doorways on the side of churches, trying to straighten or
sharpen their points.  They were required to practice at a specified distance
(210 paces is what I recall, but my memory gets fuzzier as I get older) at a
target of a specific size.  It is from this target butt that I believe we get
the period target face, only they didn't give points for hitting on the white. 
Only an arrow in the green counted.  For the English archer, the bow was also a
source of food (occasionally the game belonged to
  someone else, but it was still meat in the pot).  So, yes, for my persona, it
would be largely "hit or go hungry" as far as shots from odd ranges was
concerned.  Neither did the French conveniently line themselves up at specific
ranges and wait to advance until the archers had fired their next volleys.
However, there were archery tourneys, and those targets didn't move, and they
were done at "traditional" ranges.  So, as far as I can tell, history and
reality support both static and novelty shooting.  Also, I find range shooting
invaluable for increasing my skill, simply because in archery, so very much
depends on doing everythign the same way every time.  If I move the ranges I'm
shooting at with every shot, I do myself no favors, because I have to change my
sight picture and my arm elevation with every shot.  Consistentcy is crucial
I've found, and when I nail my 20, 30 & 40 yard ranges (I've also been
practicing at ranges as far as 90 yards at a local range), anythign else is
  based on my experience with those ranges.  As an aside, shooting from 90 yards
with a 30# recurve is an exercise in elegance.  The flight of the arrow is a
beautiful thing to watch, especially when it hits the target face.  If you miss,
however, and hit somehting harder, like the wooden backstop behind it, the sight
of your arrow snapping is somewhat less aesthetically pleasing.
Also, static range shooting is a good way to help archers compete not only with
each other, but with themselves.  Ranged scores give you a goal to meet and
exceed, and serve as a marker for your skill on one level.  Also, I would think
that the crown and the archer generals don't always have the time to go watch
every archer shoot & evaluate their skill.  At any pass, those are my humble
thoughts on these matters.  I hope that my fellow archers find them in some way
useful and enlightening (if enlightening doesn't work I will settle for
humourous).

Yours on the line,
Strongebowe
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Kingdom of Calontir


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Thanks to everyone that replied.  I hope to buy one that so I can use
the 90 degree four fletch to put three fletch on crossbow bolts  _I_

Jon

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Ben Reeder <unclestrongbow@y...>
wrote:

Thanks for the expansive thoughts ...

> All very true, but even more essential to both of these is the
draw... (though it would require considerable overdraw to bring hte
string up over the head and behind the left ear)

I believe that they used a shield device of some sort (sipar??) that
lay on the bow arm and allowed overdraw.  I had thought that these
were for shooting short 'darts' as referenced in Crusade stories, but
possibly they allowed extention of regular arrows as well. OF interst,
of course, are bow designs that allow substancial overdraw.  I have
read that some bows can allow up to a 50% overdraw!  If this is true,
is it actually 'overdraw' or just incredible flexibility for boyers?

Anyone have any info here??

      kinjal