Actually this is what I have always done. I was started in archery by Rooke and
Edward the Grey but
did most of my learning on my own and with the help of mundane online groups
like the leatherwall
and the trad gang and paleoplanet and of course the Boyers bibles and a lot of
other books. Now I am
the one that local folks come to to learn from and I cant help but think that I
have missed so much.

My medieval research resources are poor and my search skills mostly limited to
the internet. I guess
you can say I am at the end of my ideas as to where to look and for what Mostly
I want to do better
and I want to concentrate on researching and recreating archery  from the early
dark ages and
migration era germanic and norse cultures.

Ragi



On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:38:36 -0800, you, with reckless abandon, wrote:

>
>Ragi. While finding someone to apprentice to is not a bad Idea. I would also
>look outside the SCA. Sometime there are better craftsman in your area that
>is not sca. This may sound shocking coming from a laurel but sometime the
>way to knowledge is thought a different door.
>Damales Redbeard O.L.
>
>
>
>Heya
>
>I am looking for someone to apprentice to so as to learn further the art of
>fletching and boyery.
>many of you know of me and my work but I wish to become more well known and
>I am sure there is so
>much I need to learn yet that I am not learning on my own.
>
>I am looking for someone to learn from who lives within a reasonable
>distance from Montreal so that
>I might come see them once in a while. Dalton would be nice but he Moved to
>alberta dangit.....
>
>Is there someone I might discuss this with on the list who might help me or
>take me on? Yeah the
>idea of Master Ragi apeals to me but mostly I know there is more I need to
>learn and directions I
>need to head in and would like to do it with some guidance.
>
>Email me off list if you wish or onlist if you believe the discussion would
>benefit others.
>

It is always hardest to break in a new trail. Compared to following the
tracks before you. You have set your feet on a great task. You may also be
the ground breaker (ether in your area or larger).I have found that the SCA
seem to have pockets of things.
If your not in that pocket then you have to travel to it. So you maybe out
of luck for someone that has done any ground breaking ahead of you being
close. On the other hand we now have the internet. Where we can exchange
Ideas from around the world. I hope you can find some help. but you might be
the one breaking the ground for the rest.
Damales


Actually this is what I have always done. I was started in archery by Rooke
and Edward the Grey but
did most of my learning on my own and with the help of mundane online groups
like the leatherwall
and the trad gang and paleoplanet and of course the Boyers bibles and a lot
of other books. Now I am
the one that local folks come to to learn from and I cant help but think
that I have missed so much.

My medieval research resources are poor and my search skills mostly limited
to the internet. I guess
you can say I am at the end of my ideas as to where to look and for what
Mostly I want to do better
and I want to concentrate on researching and recreating archery  from the
early dark ages and
migration era germanic and norse cultures.

Ragi



On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:38:36 -0800, you, with reckless abandon, wrote:

>
>Ragi. While finding someone to apprentice to is not a bad Idea. I would
also
>look outside the SCA. Sometime there are better craftsman in your area that
>is not sca. This may sound shocking coming from a laurel but sometime the
>way to knowledge is thought a different door.
>Damales Redbeard O.L.
>
>
>
>Heya
>
>I am looking for someone to apprentice to so as to learn further the art of
>fletching and boyery.
>many of you know of me and my work but I wish to become more well known and
>I am sure there is so
>much I need to learn yet that I am not learning on my own.
>
>I am looking for someone to learn from who lives within a reasonable
>distance from Montreal so that
>I might come see them once in a while. Dalton would be nice but he Moved to
>alberta dangit.....
>
>Is there someone I might discuss this with on the list who might help me or
>take me on? Yeah the
>idea of Master Ragi apeals to me but mostly I know there is more I need to
>learn and directions I
>need to head in and would like to do it with some guidance.
>
>Email me off list if you wish or onlist if you believe the discussion would
>benefit others.
>




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Typically it means a 'stick of something' with marks on it.  Similar
to someone using sighting marks on their recurve limbs.

It usually takes the form of an L shaped piece of metal screwed down
on your crossbow, with the long part of the l sticking upwards, flat
towards you.

Then this is drilled with holes for the different heights, and you
'peek through' those holes, and line up the point of your bolt and the
target.

Sometimes the strip is made with a long open 'hole', and tape or
string is used to mark the holes so that they can be moved easier.
(In period one version used a string with the bead on it that you
could peek through, and the string/bead could be moved up or down)

You can see examples of the 'long hole' version here:
http://crossbow.freeshell.org//gallery/graphics/flemsight-large.jpg
http://crossbow.freeshell.org//gallery/graphics/flemsight-rear-large.jpg


On Mar 29, 2005 10:41 AM, Ingvarr Halvarson <boverhultz@...> wrote:
>
>
> I want to make a new rear sight for my powermaster crossbow.
> What does a "basic rear sight" consist of, or what is allowed and
> what is not allowed.
>
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Dan martin blackwaterincorp
throwing my worthless 2cents worth in
Im very very new to SCA but Im a master bow maker and archer. I was authorized
to carry a bow in the army. There are good archery groups in every state. Avoid
the compound shooters find guys gals who are shoot nateral or primitive as we
call it down here in the SW.
I have 34 boys now in my primitive archery club and we are teaching the SCA
folks to shoot. Remember stay away from sights learn to shoot instintive and all
else falls into place.
Im in the process of trying to take our SAL group and also make it an SCA group.
Books are grate but you have to do time with the bow. My kids do an hour a day
minimum and 4hrs once a week and that is for starting but they all want to shoot
compitition.
Again I know little about SCA but I would be more than happy to help you with
bow issues as well as arrow. I shoot mostly Ceder with turkey feathers and
absidian tips except for compitition dont want that heavy a tip then plus they
dont want me ripping their targets apart either
Dan Scheid <damales@...> wrote:

It is always hardest to break in a new trail. Compared to following the
tracks before you. You have set your feet on a great task. You may also be
the ground breaker (ether in your area or larger).I have found that the SCA
seem to have pockets of things.
If your not in that pocket then you have to travel to it. So you maybe out
of luck for someone that has done any ground breaking ahead of you being
close. On the other hand we now have the internet. Where we can exchange
Ideas from around the world. I hope you can find some help. but you might be
the one breaking the ground for the rest.
Damales


Actually this is what I have always done. I was started in archery by Rooke
and Edward the Grey but
did most of my learning on my own and with the help of mundane online groups
like the leatherwall
and the trad gang and paleoplanet and of course the Boyers bibles and a lot
of other books. Now I am
the one that local folks come to to learn from and I cant help but think
that I have missed so much.

My medieval research resources are poor and my search skills mostly limited
to the internet. I guess
you can say I am at the end of my ideas as to where to look and for what
Mostly I want to do better
and I want to concentrate on researching and recreating archery from the
early dark ages and
migration era germanic and norse cultures.

Ragi



On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:38:36 -0800, you, with reckless abandon, wrote:

>
>Ragi. While finding someone to apprentice to is not a bad Idea. I would
also
>look outside the SCA. Sometime there are better craftsman in your area that
>is not sca. This may sound shocking coming from a laurel but sometime the
>way to knowledge is thought a different door.
>Damales Redbeard O.L.
>
>
>
>Heya
>
>I am looking for someone to apprentice to so as to learn further the art of
>fletching and boyery.
>many of you know of me and my work but I wish to become more well known and
>I am sure there is so
>much I need to learn yet that I am not learning on my own.
>
>I am looking for someone to learn from who lives within a reasonable
>distance from Montreal so that
>I might come see them once in a while. Dalton would be nice but he Moved to
>alberta dangit.....
>
>Is there someone I might discuss this with on the list who might help me or
>take me on? Yeah the
>idea of Master Ragi apeals to me but mostly I know there is more I need to
>learn and directions I
>need to head in and would like to do it with some guidance.
>
>Email me off list if you wish or onlist if you believe the discussion would
>benefit others.
>




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Greetings fellow archers and artisans!

The Barony of Lyondemere will be hosting an arrow making workshop in nine
parts beginning this Sunday.  We will be making arrows from scratch and
every participant in the full workshop (it will probably take a few months)
will walk away with a set of 18 arrows for the extremely low price of $55
($60 for 4 fletch).  And yes, that is 18 arrows, a dozen and a half.  This
is by far cheaper than the cheapest merchant (that I have seen) for nice
wood arrows.

We will be starting at 10am Sunday morning at Rancho Park Archery Range in
West Los Angeles.  The first session will go over all parts of the workshop
in overview and we will start sorting, dividing, sanding and spinning all of
our arrows to start making sets.

From there, we will learn how to best match arrows to your bow, application
of points, nocks, fletches, bare shaft testing, cresting, dying, finishing,
repair & maintenance and much much more!  This is an extensive class in
which workshop members will be constructing their own set of arrows under
close guidance and instruction from THL Robert Lanternsmith, THL Fearghus
McCullough and Leonidas Tzannavaris.

If you would like to be a part of this workshop, please send an email to
arrowworkshop-subscribe@....

If you are having problems subscribing to the list, please email me
privately and I will add you.

Hope to see a lot of Caidan archers there on Sunday!  Don't forget to change
your clocks...we "Spring Ahead" this Sunday morning!

Lady Christina O'Cleary
Captain of Archers, Barony of Lyondemere

Heya

Well I would like to thank and congratulate everyone that came today to the
arrow making class
today. fun seemed to have been had by all but Mia who shoulda known better. ;)

As well we have an unexpected but pleasant surprise as The kingdom marshal of
Atlantia was in town
for a convention and dropped in to visit and lend a hand. Sigfreid was a great
help and I think
really added something to the day. I feel so special, it is like having a famous
person come to your
birthday party. hehehe, thanks man It was a pleasure to meet you.

So next saturday will be arrow making class part deux. where we actually try to
get the feathers
glued down. Soon we will have 7 more people shooting thier own arrows.

Ragi

Yeah, it was fun ... thanks for having me ...  Most impressive was
learning so many of the differences in the way thing are done, solely
because of the difference in costs and availability of various
materials...

Siegfried
-PS, I'll send you guys the couple of pictures I took when I get them online.

On Apr 2, 2005 5:40 PM, Ragi of House brokenaxe
<ragiwarmbear@...> wrote:
>
> Heya
>
> Well I would like to thank and congratulate everyone that came today to the
arrow making class
> today. fun seemed to have been had by all but Mia who shoulda known better. ;)
>
> As well we have an unexpected but pleasant surprise as The kingdom marshal of
Atlantia was in town
> for a convention and dropped in to visit and lend a hand. Sigfreid was a great
help and I think
> really added something to the day. I feel so special, it is like having a
famous person come to your
> birthday party. hehehe, thanks man It was a pleasure to meet you.
>
> So next saturday will be arrow making class part deux. where we actually try
to get the feathers
> glued down. Soon we will have 7 more people shooting thier own arrows.
>
> Ragi
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I will take up the torch Laebeth, unless someone else out there has already
accomplished a similar task and compiled such a listing of Novelty shoots ...???

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristine Casper<mailto:laebeth@...>
To: Katherine Killigrew<mailto:katherine_killigrew@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Creative Shoots - Project


Greetings, Katherine.

To my great disappointment, I had to step out of the current Middle Ages to
tend to some critical events in my mundane life, and I never compiled the
information I gathered.  I have loads of notes and EMs from folks;
unfortunately, not many pictures to go with them.

I would love to get back to the project, but I fear it may be a while before
I can work it in among my fledgling fletching business, mundane work, and my
family (who have been the recipients of my absence).  If someone would like
to take up the torch, I'd be happy to pass along the information I gathered.
Otherwise, y'all will have to wait for me a bit longer! ;>

Best to you and yours,

Laebeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Killigrew [mailto:katherine_killigrew@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:29 AM
To: Laebeth Cúriel
Subject: Re: Creative Shoots - Project



Greetings Laebeth,

I am writing as I found this post when I did a search for Novelty
Shoots in the past missives of the SCA-Archery Group. I was thinking
along exactly the same lines! Trying to find a single source (book or
such) of novelty shoots and if unable to call for submissions and
create one myself! How is your project going? I would dearly love to
get a copy of whatever you have!

YIS

Katherine Killigrew
Baronial Archer
Adiantum

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com<mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>, Laebeth
Cúriel <laebeth@w<mailto:laebeth@w>...>
wrote:
> Greetings to all those who frequent the halls of these fine archery
lists!
>
> I am undertaking a project with which I solicit your help . . . I
find that
> there are many, very creative archers out there who have discovered
and/or
> developed period-type novelty shoots.  However, this information is
not
> widely available to all of us archers.  (That is, unless there is
something
> out there that I have not been able to find during the past year or
two that
> I have been looking.  If there is, PLEASE tell me how I may lay my
hands on
> it and skip the rest of this missive! ;)
>
> I plan to prepare a Book of Creative Shoots and Contests, cross-
referenced,
> in .doc and .pdf formats, available to any and all archers wishing
the
> information.  Depending on the response, there may be a specific
chapters,
> e.g., Clout games, Youth games, etc.  (BTW - Lord Wolfden, the
Grendel
> approach for children eliminated from the game is brilliant!)
>
> Your help is needed!  Please send me descriptions of your favorite
shoots,
> whether you have conducted, participated in or just heard of them.
You may
> provide as much or little detail as you see fit.  I'm sure there
will be
> variations on some of the themes; all variations will be included
(well, to
> the extent that is practical).  If you have specific score sheets
you
> recommend, please provide those, too.  If you have pictures of the
shoots
> being conducted or specialized targets, all the better!  Please
also provide
> your name so I can give you credit for your contributions.
>
> For text, MS Word format is preferred, but I have access to a
number of
> other word-processing programs as well and can always work
with .pdf.
> Pictures, target faces and score sheets can
be .pdf, .bmp, .jpg, .dwg, or
> any MS format.  Please make submittals to by e-mail or snail-mail
(yes,
> paper format works, too), at the addresses below.
>
> This is intended to be YOUR reference source.  Thus, if there is
anything
> else you think would be useful to the archery community, please
provide it
> or let me know so I can make the request.  If you have suggestions
on how to
> best present this information or other, please let me know.  Thank
you in
> advance for your efforts and creativity.
>
> Yours in service,
>
> Laebeth Cúriel, CDB
>
> laebeth@w<mailto:laebeth@w>...
> 6450 N. 56th Street
> Milwaukee, WI  53223






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In making a self nocked arrow out of an ash shaft, is there any
advantage in placing a horn or hardwood insert as you would do with a
cedar shaft?

Many Thanks:  Richard of Westwood

Greetings,
       An insert looks real pretty and it will help to strengthen a nock
(ash may be hard, but it still splits, it just takes a lot more to split
it).
       I shoot self nocks very often and I haven't used the inserts (way
too much work), but I wrap the
area just under the cut nock with a tight whipping of synthetic sinew.
       There is a penetrating epoxy dip that is used in boatbuilding and
boat maintenance that is available in most marine supply stores. It is
used to strengthen wood used in frames and knees on boats and it
essentially turns the wood into a hardened synthetic that is very
durable. I experimented with it on a couple of dozen arrows and was
pleased with the result. It comes in a clear, so it doesn't effect the
look of the arrow and you only need to dip the nock (doing any more
would undoubtedly affect the flex of the shaft). It's not that
expensive, you mix the two parts together and it does penetrate the wood
and hardens. I purchased a kit for under $20.00 and used very little of
the kit to do the nocks on over two dozen arrows.
Just another idea in the mix.
-Geoffrei

I wrap my self nocked cedar shafts with thread and then paint them with
water based polyurethane.  Only ones I've ever split were in the arrows
made when I experimented with using a thin kerf tablesaw blade to cut the nock.

Simon Sinneghe
Briaroak, Summits, An Tir

At 10:49 PM 4/2/2005, Geoffrei wrote:

>Greetings,
>       An insert looks real pretty and it will help to strengthen a nock
>(ash may be hard, but it still splits, it just takes a lot more to split
>it).
>       I shoot self nocks very often and I haven't used the inserts (way
>too much work), but I wrap the
>area just under the cut nock with a tight whipping of synthetic sinew.
>       There is a penetrating epoxy dip that is used in boatbuilding and
>boat maintenance that is available in most marine supply stores. It is
>used to strengthen wood used in frames and knees on boats and it
>essentially turns the wood into a hardened synthetic that is very
>durable. I experimented with it on a couple of dozen arrows and was
>pleased with the result. It comes in a clear, so it doesn't effect the
>look of the arrow and you only need to dip the nock (doing any more
>would undoubtedly affect the flex of the shaft). It's not that
>expensive, you mix the two parts together and it does penetrate the wood
>and hardens. I purchased a kit for under $20.00 and used very little of
>the kit to do the nocks on over two dozen arrows.
>Just another idea in the mix.
>-Geoffrei
>
>

Subject: self nock question

In making a self nocked arrow out of an ash shaft, is there any
advantage in placing a horn or hardwood insert as you would do with a
cedar shaft?

Many Thanks:  Richard of Westwood


As has been said, ash is pretty tough but the inserts do add strength and are
asthetically pleasing also.

A wood insert is probably easier to work with than a horn insert.

I use black walnut inserts on all my personal cedar and ash shafts, and will use
them on my future poplar shafts :)


Godwin

Dear All,

I use horn inserts on my period shafts and my Standard Arrows. There is a
horn company in Scotland called Hillend Horn Company, details below, and
they supply horn inserts, 3 inch by 1 inch and approximately 2mm thick, you
can get a bag for a few pounds sterling and they go a long way, and cover
most options for inserts.
I use 24 hour epoxy because it too penetrates the wood and gives a very
secure nock.
The inserts do make the arrows more durable and will take more abuse, they
also look well when finished off properly.
If shooting the BLBS Standard Arrow, horn inserts are required.

Whilst it may be a lot of work, we all spend a lot of time and effort on our
kit, usually a lot more than we sometimes care to admit, but I will admit
that it is worth it.

Seán the Archer

... . .- -. -- --- --- .-. .
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Details for Hillend:

The Hillend Horn Company Ltd
85 Hillend Road,
Clarkston,
Glasgow G76 7XT Scotland
Tel (+44) 141 639 5735
Fax (+44) 141 616 3522
Email: hillhornco@...

Contact: Martin Hyslop
Martin is one of the leading UK suppliers of buffalo and rams horn, stag
antler, seasoned shanks and other stickmaking materials, he also has horn
for making asiatic composite bows.

Any one have ideas or pics of how to make Poppin Jay targets?

The ones I have seen currently in England are at the top of a 40 some odd
tall pole,  that would make people freak shooting up in the air like that.
Looking for more of a down to earth solution.

Thank you

Simon Hondy

On the Poppin Jay target shoot you would think that flu-flu arrows would be
in order. they loose energy quickly after about 20 or 30 yards and are easy
to find later.

                                                         Brian  :o)

We just shot the Pop in Jay at Feathers in the Gleann.  The pole was only twenty
feet. Used one and 1/2 inch pvc.  More than 20' flexed too much to erect without
a crane.  At top, drill a 5/8"
hole clear through the PVC and insert a 36" x1/2" pvc.  Run a strong cord
through the insert and suspend the "bird" from this with the cord coming back
down to ground level.  Tie another light cord above the "bird" and bring to
ground level.  This lets you pull one cord to bring the "bird" down and remove
arrows and the other cord to take the "bird" up.  Keep cords well separated so
they don't tangle.
The bird was made with a childs size nerf football.  Cut slits in proper
positions and insert feathers for wings and tail.  Lack of resistance makes it
difficult to stick an arrow into this.  Many of our archers hit the bird but
only two arrows were able to remain in the bird.

arrow fall was 100+yards away.  Takes a lot of room.
Walk Tall
BAron Ben



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From: "Jeff Elder" <scholari@...>
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Date:  Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:54:03 -0500

>
>
>Any one have ideas or pics of how to make Poppin Jay targets?
>
>The ones I have seen currently in England are at the top of a 40 some odd
>tall pole,  that would make people freak shooting up in the air like that.
>Looking for more of a down to earth solution.
>
>Thank you
>
>Simon Hondy
>
>
>
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Jeff Elder <scholari@...> said:

>
>
> Any one have ideas or pics of how to make Poppin Jay targets?
>
> The ones I have seen currently in England are at the top of a 40
some odd
> tall pole,  that would make people freak shooting up in the air
like that.
> Looking for more of a down to earth solution.
>
> Thank you
>
> Simon Hondy
>

There is a form of horizontal popinjay shoot that goes by various
names.  It is called  "Ligende Wipp" in Belgium, I forget what it is
called in france and portugal.  They have a massive horizontal
popinjay championship shoot in Belgium each year.

Do a google search (with quotes) for either "Ligende Wipp" or
"horizontal popinjay" and you should find something.

Regards,

--
HL Eadric Anstapa
DSEM CA
eadric@...

Greetings,

I am seeking suggestions for a novelty shoot competition to be held at an
upcoming Norse themed event. I would like to have 2-3 different shoots that tie
into the Norse theme.

Ideas?

In Service,

Katherine Killigrew

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Off the top of my head.
  There is a norse myth about cutting the hair braids off of a tavern
maiden's head by hurling axes at her. I don't remember the context of
myth, and they were using battle axes, but
maybe you could you could have an image of a woman standing against a
wall and have some kind of braided hair attached to something
(say a small balloon?) that would drop the braid when you hit it.
Or you could have the pony tails as part of the image, (REALLY LONG
like you see in some movies, like Glenn Close in Hamlet, down to the
knee) but segment and number/color sections of
it. And get different points for hitting the braids closer to the
head. And if you hit the woman, you lose points or lose a LOT of
points if you kill her (hit to the head or heart)?
Okay. The idea needs work. But it's a start.
-Cyan of Storvik

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                                                     Brian  :o)
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Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Norse themed shoot


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> Off the top of my head.
> There is a norse myth about cutting the hair braids off of a tavern
> maiden's head by hurling axes at her. I don't remember the context of
> myth, and they were using battle axes, but
> maybe you could you could have an image of a woman standing against a
> wall and have some kind of braided hair attached to something
> (say a small balloon?) that would drop the braid when you hit it.
> Or you could have the pony tails as part of the image, (REALLY LONG
> like you see in some movies, like Glenn Close in Hamlet, down to the
> knee) but segment and number/color sections of
> it. And get different points for hitting the braids closer to the
> head. And if you hit the woman, you lose points or lose a LOT of
> points if you kill her (hit to the head or heart)?
> Okay. The idea needs work. But it's a start.
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Greetings,
       There have been a few good suggestions for the poppin jay. If you
get a copy of the British video "Archery-its forms and practices" by
Mike Loades, there is a few shots of a very effective poppin jay target
that looks very much like what was described by a previous poster.
       Flu Flus definitely should be used and also rubber bird blunts.
The object is to knock the bird off of its perch. If you actually stick
it into the target, you now have a heavier pointy arrow plummeting to
the ground with the poppinjay bird attached (pointy arrow? danger?). At
the very least, you'll break arrows. We've used and liked the rubber
bird blunts although Baldar blunts will also work just fine.
       Traditionally the targets are carved from wood, but if you want a
more "site friendly" substance, I would suggest making them out of the
same high density foam that the modern targets butts are made from. Many
dealers sell the replacement cores for the big foam targets. We use them
for the "Knock-a-Block" stump shoot at our archery club. This way if any
by-standers or archers should be standing under it as it falls to the
ground they will be clocked in the head by a soft foam rather than a
heavy wooden "brick".
Poppinjay is a fun shoot, 20 feet is a good height for SCA shooters.
-Geoffrei

Use Flu Flus and bird blunts or for the really fun combat arrows.

James Cunningham
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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Poppin Jay targets


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> Any one have ideas or pics of how to make Poppin Jay targets?
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> The ones I have seen currently in England are at the top of a 40 some odd
> tall pole,  that would make people freak shooting up in the air like that.
> Looking for more of a down to earth solution.
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We have a gentleman here in Caid who proposed making one of drill
pipe.  The plan was to use 3 lengths of 30 foot pipe to give us a 30 yard
high popinjay.  As we have nearly 200 yards downrange and clear
area  (though brushy) beyond and plan on using flu-flus this will work here.
Carolus

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>Any one have ideas or pics of how to make Poppin Jay targets?
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>The ones I have seen currently in England are at the top of a 40 some odd
>tall pole,  that would make people freak shooting up in the air like that.
>Looking for more of a down to earth solution.
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Why not use the long balloons for the braids?
   Erriil

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wrote:
>
> Off the top of my head.
>  There is a norse myth about cutting the hair braids off of a tavern
> maiden's head by hurling axes at her. I don't remember the context
of
> myth, and they were using battle axes, but
> maybe you could you could have an image of a woman standing against
a
> wall and have some kind of braided hair attached to something
> (say a small balloon?) that would drop the braid when you hit it.

Godwin FitzGilbert de Strigoil wrote:
> ...
> A wood insert is probably easier to work with than a horn insert.
>
> I use black walnut inserts on all my personal cedar and ash shafts, and will
use them on my future poplar shafts :)

I assume you run the grain of the insert cross-wise to the arrow. Yes?


-- Fritz

Carl West
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   Pooping outside the box - Bad

Try the hobby shops or check with friends that may have old wigs.
We did this several years ago.  Two braids of hair and ran across a throwing
butt.
Cut the braids and win or continue in the contest.  Put an ax between the
braids and you
got to sit down and give the rest of the throwers a hard time.

Thomas



>From: "Brian du Val" <cobalt60@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
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>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Norse themed shoot
>Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:54:27 -0500
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>That was the test of Adultry  in  THE VIKINGS with Kirk Douglas right?
>
>                                                     Brian  :o)
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>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:41 PM
>Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Norse themed shoot
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> > Off the top of my head.
> > There is a norse myth about cutting the hair braids off of a tavern
> > maiden's head by hurling axes at her. I don't remember the context of
> > myth, and they were using battle axes, but
> > maybe you could you could have an image of a woman standing against a
> > wall and have some kind of braided hair attached to something
> > (say a small balloon?) that would drop the braid when you hit it.
> > Or you could have the pony tails as part of the image, (REALLY LONG
> > like you see in some movies, like Glenn Close in Hamlet, down to the
> > knee) but segment and number/color sections of
> > it. And get different points for hitting the braids closer to the
> > head. And if you hit the woman, you lose points or lose a LOT of
> > points if you kill her (hit to the head or heart)?
> > Okay. The idea needs work. But it's a start.
> > -Cyan of Storvik
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Shooter friendly.
Try your sporting goods stores for doves. " Decoys"  They have a challenging
size and look
like a bird.
I have several that I have split the backs, filled with expanding foam and
than use rubber bands
to hold shut till the foam sets.  I like to open up the birds to make sure
the the foam fills the
cavity, and can make sure that the fill "cures".
I than painted the birds green.  You end up with a light weight, easy to
transport,
shooter friendly target.  With out a great deal of cost involved.

Thomas

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>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Poppin Jay targets
>Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:42:26 -0400
>
>
>Greetings,
>       There have been a few good suggestions for the poppin jay. If you
>get a copy of the British video "Archery-its forms and practices" by
>Mike Loades, there is a few shots of a very effective poppin jay target
>that looks very much like what was described by a previous poster.
>       Flu Flus definitely should be used and also rubber bird blunts.
>The object is to knock the bird off of its perch. If you actually stick
>it into the target, you now have a heavier pointy arrow plummeting to
>the ground with the poppinjay bird attached (pointy arrow? danger?). At
>the very least, you'll break arrows. We've used and liked the rubber
>bird blunts although Baldar blunts will also work just fine.
>       Traditionally the targets are carved from wood, but if you want a
>more "site friendly" substance, I would suggest making them out of the
>same high density foam that the modern targets butts are made from. Many
>dealers sell the replacement cores for the big foam targets. We use them
>for the "Knock-a-Block" stump shoot at our archery club. This way if any
>by-standers or archers should be standing under it as it falls to the
>ground they will be clocked in the head by a soft foam rather than a
>heavy wooden "brick".
>Poppinjay is a fun shoot, 20 feet is a good height for SCA shooters.
>-Geoffrei
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Does anyone know of a good mail order source for reasonably priced
archery netting?

Thank you for any help you can give.

Jon
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An Archer must be: Keen of eye, steady of hand, fleet of foot and
cunning of mind.

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GREETINGS

YOU MIGHT TRY  "  NEW ENGLAND CAMP  "    WWW.NEWENGLANDCAMP.COM
THEY HAVE REALLY GOOD PRICES ON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING FROM COMBAT / LOANER
BOWS TO GRASS BUTTS TO CPR DUMMIES IF YOU WANT  TO PRACTICE YOUR GROUPS CPR
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BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE FUN
ARTHUR BLACKMOON


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Subject: [SCA-Archery] archery netting


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> Does anyone know of a good mail order source for reasonably priced
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> Thank you for any help you can give.
>
> Jon
> Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L., O.P., West, Mists, Esfenn
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I just ordered 30 feet of netting in 10 foot segments from this company:

BCY Incorporated
697 Middle Street, Middletown, CT 06457
Phone: 860-632-7115 Fax: 860-632-5775
e-mail: bcyray@...

Backstop Netting (white)
Less than 15 Feet (minimum 10 ft.) 19.10/Foot
                      15 to 25 Feet 16.25/Foot
                      26 to 50 Feet 15.50/Foot
                       Over 50 Feet 14.00/Foot
(add an extra $2.75/ft for Green)
It is 8 foot 3 inches tall

I explained what type of shooting we do, and they said to stay away from
bodkin style points, but they didn't seem to concerned when I asked about
bows up to and in excess of 45 pounds.  That seems to apply more to
compounds or pretty hot traditional style bows.

Simon Hondy
Shire of Baile na Scolairi
Middle Kingdom

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