Yes, that's exactly what happened.

Amecia

Message: 6
    Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:26:51 -0800
    From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
Subject: Re: Reality Check

Well .... it might be that the second poster had the same needs and felt

that since the post from the first person covered it.  They just changed

the place and name and used the same post raather than writing up
something from scratch.

Perhaps, it could be cleared up if they would just post with some more
details.

Jon

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Nest verch Tangwistel
<eastarch@y...> wrote:
> Ha,ha. Someone sent me a private email recommending that I try
saddle soap
> to remove any excess dye, and then a good boot oil. That sounds
like good
> advice to me. I think I will try it, assuming I can pry it out of
his
> hands to do it.
>
> Nest

Now that i'm oficially a member, my post should show up on the list--

your post didn't mention that you made the quiver yourself, so i was
assuming that the dye and finish of the leather were unknown to you.

Boot oil will soften leather some, but depending on the thickness and
type of leather, and structure of what you made, (and how much you
use) it might not soften it noticibly.  but the boot oil will help
gently strip off excess dye.

izzy

get some super sheen from a leather store, such as Tandy or the Leather
Factory, both can be mail ordered from. and I think both are on the web.
The super sheen is a finisher for leather and will seal the dye in, it will
also make the leather harder.

In Service
GREGGE the ARCHER


>From: "izzy" <redbaronx71@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: leaking quiver
>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:08:26 -0000
>
>--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Nest verch Tangwistel
><eastarch@y...> wrote:
> > Ha,ha. Someone sent me a private email recommending that I try
>saddle soap
> > to remove any excess dye, and then a good boot oil. That sounds
>like good
> > advice to me. I think I will try it, assuming I can pry it out of
>his
> > hands to do it.
> >
> > Nest
>
>Now that i'm oficially a member, my post should show up on the list--
>
>your post didn't mention that you made the quiver yourself, so i was
>assuming that the dye and finish of the leather were unknown to you.
>
>Boot oil will soften leather some, but depending on the thickness and
>type of leather, and structure of what you made, (and how much you
>use) it might not soften it noticibly.  but the boot oil will help
>gently strip off excess dye.
>
>izzy
>
>
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>   Is Caid the only Kingdom
>that requires a class as well as the Supervised experiance
>marshalling?



Nope, Atlantia requires a class, and refresher classes every 2 years.

Siegfried
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>I gave someone a quiver for a present. It is a very nice leather quiver,
>but unfortunately the black dye on the leather is rubbing off on
>everything. does anyone know what we can do to it to stop this happening?


Saddle-Lac ... you can buy it at most saddlery/leather stores.  It's a
spray-on laquer/coating for leather.

Give it a couple of good coats, it seals it quite good from 'leaking', and
gives it a nice sheen as well.

Siegfried - Who used to have a quite reddishbrown leg from a leg quiver.




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Your best bet is to go to a Tandy or a leather Factory (same company) and
buy a spray can of either Super Sheen , or Leather Sheen (same product
different packaging)  Tandy Super Sheen Spray 11 oz #2200100

         Tandy Super Sheen in a 11 oz aerosol can allows you to put a clear,
flexible and durable, water-repellent finish on leathers.
and spray two coats (or a third would not hurt) over the quiver.  What this
does is to finish the leather it also brings the color out more.  When you
put this on at first it has a nice shine but that will wear quickly but you
will have a quiver that will bleed colors.

I have been making custom leather products for ten years and have made lots
of quivers and not one has bled when I use the sheen.

Forrester


----- Original Message -----
From: "izzy" <redbaronx71@...>
To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:08 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: leaking quiver


> --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Nest verch Tangwistel
> <eastarch@y...> wrote:
> > Ha,ha. Someone sent me a private email recommending that I try
> saddle soap
> > to remove any excess dye, and then a good boot oil. That sounds
> like good
> > advice to me. I think I will try it, assuming I can pry it out of
> his
> > hands to do it.
> >
> > Nest
>
> Now that i'm oficially a member, my post should show up on the list--
>
> your post didn't mention that you made the quiver yourself, so i was
> assuming that the dye and finish of the leather were unknown to you.
>
> Boot oil will soften leather some, but depending on the thickness and
> type of leather, and structure of what you made, (and how much you
> use) it might not soften it noticibly.  but the boot oil will help
> gently strip off excess dye.
>
> izzy
>
>
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Thank you. I have, she did and I am on the list.

Jon

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>
>Contact the Archery Autocrat Mistress Brenna. She will put you on her list.
>
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Greetings from Lorenzo il Confuso, Keeper of the IKAC,

The final standings for Season XXVI of the
Inter-Kingdom Archery Competition are as follows:

Open division
---------
1. AN TIR: 311.3; Andras the Truemark: 355; Loric
MacLoughlin: 291; Geoffroi FitzGeorge: 288;
2. EAST: 296.6; Lorenzo il Confuso: 310; Owen
Huddleston: 294; Rupert the Unbalanced: 286;
3. ATLANTIA: 268; Reynard de La Rochefoucauld: 317;
Ignacio Erensaurlezelasgarria: 245; Mika Longbow: 242;

4. MIDREALM: 266.6; Robert Thorne: 278; Thorin of
Glendalough: 270; James Cunningham: 252;
5. CALONTIR: 256; Jon Tristam: 276; Einarr Aldhund:
263; William the Wicked: 229;
6. MERIDIES: 248; Jerrith the Archer: 289; Nikolai
Russ: 238; Kol Bogsveigir: 217;
7. CAID: 244.3; Fearghus MacCulloch: 288; Theodric:
263; Caeser: 182;
8. OUTLANDS: 243.3; Daniel Larke of Fletcher's Glen:
260; Conrad von Zollern: 241; Garrett: 229;
9. EALDORMERE: 242.6; Dafydd ap Sion: 308; Augustin of
Petrea Thule: 221; Robert Guerin: 199;
10. AETHELMEARC: 226.3; Connor Bowsplitter: 310;
Muirghein Gealbhain: 203; Gwilym o'r Afonydd Tair:
166;
11. WEST: 219.6; Dauid Ap Morgant: 234; Josi de La
Tour: 215; Wolfric Hammerfestning: 210;
12. ARTEMISIA: 199; Owen apHowell: 294; Gerriod
McEgan: 169; Catherine enish McCarrig: 134;
13. ANSTEORRA: 175; Jacques the Spink: 204; Jason
Wallace: 165; Robert of Yorkshire: 156;
14. DRACHENWALD: 161.6; Owen Iskander: 188; Marten
Skram: 154; Konrad von Strainveld: 143;
15. LOCHAC: 151; Ysabella Vitale: 158; Ulric of
Ambledine: 150; Drew Sangraal: 145;
16. TRIMARIS: 88.3; Yoshitake Maruku: 156; Chabi
Merkat: 86; Chrysantha: 23;
17. ATENVELDT: no average; Chris Dixon: 164; Tristan:
43;

Period division
---------
1. OUTLANDS: 247.3; Rand the Tracker: 256; William
Hawke of Warwickshire: 248; Conrad von Zollern: 238;
2. WEST: 174; Josi de La Tour: 198; Martin Whisteler:
182; Abner de Plunkett: 142;
3. CALONTIR: 168.6; Jon Tristam: 204; Einarr Aldhund:
158; Michael vanBergen: 144;
4. AN TIR: 167.3; Alaricus Simmonds: 216; Thorfinn
Kolsson: 196; Maol-Duin: 90;
5. ANSTEORRA: 148; Robert of Yorkshire: 156; Gilbert
Ost Wesley: 148; Edward MacTavish: 140;
6. TRIMARIS: 131; Crevan of Leinster: 174; Erika
Bjornsdottir: 170; Tyece De Montbelisard: 49;
7. LOCHAC: 117.3; Sebastian Greenbow: 184; Fitz: 102;
Jehan: 66;
8. MIDREALM: 116; James Cunningham: 140; Robert
Thorne: 126; John Bartholomew: 82;
9. DRACHENWALD: 104.6; Sean the Archer: 184; Hans
Jonsson: 84; Kari Egilsson: 46;
10. MERIDIES: 78; Ronan MacMorton: 96; Falcon
Blackdragon: 76; Sior of Cair Ered: 62;
11. ATLANTIA: no average; Gregge the Archer: 146;
12. ARTEMISIA: no average; Godwin Fitzgilbert: 110;

Period Crossbow division
---------
1. MIDREALM: 332; Robert Thorne: 348; Alan of
Caerlaverock: 326; Caedmon Wilson: 322;
2. ATLANTIA: 293.3; Mika Longbow: 316; Siegfried
Sebastian Faust: 310; Gregge the Archer: 254;
3. AN TIR: 223.3; Alexsei Zarev: 236; Andras the
Truemark: 222; Alaricus Simmonds: 212;
4. CALONTIR: 197; Michael vanBergen: 211; Robert de
Dunalstair: 204; Dolan Madoc: 176;
5. ANSTEORRA: 179.3; Roger Bagley: 264; Edward
MacTavish: 150; Jacques the Spink: 124;
6. WEST: no average; Abner de Plunkett: 164; Josi de
La Tour: 126;
7. OUTLANDS: no average; Conrad von Zollern: 220;

Open Crossbow division
---------
1. MIDREALM: 343.6; Robert Thorne: 351; Caedmon
Wilson: 340; Fritz Bare: 340;
2. ATLANTIA: 303.3; Mika Longbow: 323; Gregge the
Archer: 303; Siegfried Sebastian Faust: 284;
3. AETHELMEARC: 250.3; Denys the Decadent: 281;
Ce'tach Fitzgibbons: 276; Caleb Reynolds: 194;
4. OUTLANDS: 249.6; Karl the Piper: 259; Daffyd of
Emmett: 254; Robert of Lakehurst: 236;
5. AN TIR: 246; Bjorn Kolbjornsson: 256; Loric
MacLoughlin: 248; Aleksei Zateev: 234;
6. ATENVELDT: 234; Bran Padrick: 272; Arminius: 224;
Catlin of Anandyrdale: 206;
7. WEST: 177.6; Koranada Tomadashi: 193; Josi de La
Tour: 182; Abner de Plunkett: 158;
8. MERIDIES: no average; Karl Helweg: 245; Ronan
MacMorton: 242;
9. ANSTEORRA: no average; Ulrich of Carolingia: 242;
Roger Bagley: 223;
10. CALONTIR: no average; Michael vanBergen: 231;
Dolan Madoc: 216;
11. CAID: no average; Peganus Grimlove: 243;
12. TRIMARIS: no average; Ricky: 11;

IKCAC division
--------------
1. MIDREALM: 179.7; Alan of Caerlaverock: 199; Dorinda
Scorpione: 176; Caedmon Wilson: 164.
2. AN TIR: 166.3; Sara de Bonneville: 206; Tayodric:
175; William Mac An Toisich: 118.
3. WEST: 159.3; Joseph de la Tour: 191; Timothy
Kirkwood: 144; Grimr Einarsson: 143.
4. ANSTEORRA: 102.3; Will Ironwyrm: 111; Greylond
Aston: 105; Martin: 91.

Children division
----------
1. Rowen Amundsen (AN TIR): 305; 2.Colin Bell (AN
TIR): 167; 2.Alicia de Berwick (EAST):167.


Congratulations to the winners, and many thanks to the
over 700 archers from 17 Kingdoms that participated in
this year's competitions. A special thanks to Lyssa
and Ariel for their work with their Kingdom.

The XXVII season of the IKAC will start on 1 February.
Based on the participants' input, there will be no
changes to the rules for the upcoming season, except
for the Children division, which will go to a
team-based setup based on participation. Please see
the website at www.detommaso.org/ikac for the exact
rules. If you have any questions, please address them
to me at ikac@.... The new season is right
around the corner, time to get shooting!
Best regards,
- Lorenzo


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Hello,

New member here!

I just attended my first SCA Archery practice yesterday and really
enjoyed myself.  I have two questions that I thought someone might be
able to help out with.

I'm using "loaner" equipment until I am ready to purchase my own, but
I need to get an arm guard.  While I haven't adopted a specific
timeframe yet (new to SCA), I do enjoy the aesthetics of equipment.
I'm interested in getting an attractive (possibly leather) arm guard
that comes up a bit higher than my elbow (that's where the large
bruise I earned yesterday ends).  Can anyone point me in the
direction of a good internet store or store in the Pittsburgh region
that would carry something like this?

Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.  Is
there any way to adjust for this?

Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!

Deanna

What are you basing this on? Has anyone done an eye dominance test with
you? If not it is easy to do on your own. Just hold both eyes open and
extend one arm. Put your thumb over something far away. Then close one eye
then the other. When your dominant eye is open your thumb will stay over
the thing you sighted on. However when you close the dominant eye your
thumb will no longer appear to cover the distant object. If it turns out
you are left eye dominant it will just take time to learn how to use your
left hand to load the bow.

I have had people come to my practices which were all combinations: left
handed with right eye dominance: right handed and right eyed: left handed
and left eyed and right handed and left eyed (not to mention people who
are shooting with the wrong side). So far is does seem like the ones which
have the hardest time are the right handed left eyed people. I wonder if
it isn't because left handed people are forced to use their right hand a
lot in this society so they are somewhat used to using their off hand.
However right handed people are not necessarily forced to use their left
hand. Then you start archery and for one of the first times you have to
use that hand. In the long run it will make it easier if you are shooting
on the right side.

Nest
>
> Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
> right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
> dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.  Is
> there any way to adjust for this?
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!
>
> Deanna
>
>
>
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Greetings Deanna,

As someone who is cross-eye dominant (right-handed and left-eyed) I would
say that even though it is awkward at first, in the long run it will be
better to shoot left-handed.  It won't be long before it feels natural, to
the point that shooting right-handed will begin to feel awkward.  I found
that the biggest challenge wasn't in the actual shot, but rather in getting
the arrow knocked with my left hand.

Simon Fisc

----- Original Message -----
From: <ravenwolf18@...>
To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 14:53
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions


> Hello,
>
> New member here!
>
> I just attended my first SCA Archery practice yesterday and really
> enjoyed myself.  I have two questions that I thought someone might be
> able to help out with.
>
> I'm using "loaner" equipment until I am ready to purchase my own, but
> I need to get an arm guard.  While I haven't adopted a specific
> timeframe yet (new to SCA), I do enjoy the aesthetics of equipment.
> I'm interested in getting an attractive (possibly leather) arm guard
> that comes up a bit higher than my elbow (that's where the large
> bruise I earned yesterday ends).  Can anyone point me in the
> direction of a good internet store or store in the Pittsburgh region
> that would carry something like this?
>
> Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
> right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
> dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.  Is
> there any way to adjust for this?
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!
>
> Deanna
>
>
>
>
>
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Good Gentles, I was reading the recent posts, and a thought came up. I am
right eyed and right handed, but my right eye has a limited area of view
due to the effect of a brain tumor that pressed on the optic nerve and
killed part of it. I do reasonable well, but do you think it would be
worth the time to try the other way round (ie, left eye, left hand)? As I
don't have a non-handed bow, I haven't tried it, but if you think it
might work, I'll borrow one from a lefty friend and see.

Felix Gruenstrasse

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Tried a couple of eye dominance tests just now.  I'm definitely left-
eye dominant although I'm right-handed.  I was using a right-handed
bow yesterday, but I must admit I was guessing about the aiming.  I
was mostly excited that I could get the arrow to leave the bow the
right way.  :)

I guess I can ask if I can borrow a left-handed bow for a while,
although I'm sure it'll be awkward.

Thanks for the advice!

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Nest verch Tangwistel
<eastarch@y...> wrote:
>
> What are you basing this on? Has anyone done an eye dominance test
with
> you? If not it is easy to do on your own. Just hold both eyes open
and
> extend one arm. Put your thumb over something far away. Then close
one eye
> then the other. When your dominant eye is open your thumb will stay
over
> the thing you sighted on. However when you close the dominant eye
your
> thumb will no longer appear to cover the distant object. If it
turns out
> you are left eye dominant it will just take time to learn how to
use your
> left hand to load the bow.
>
> I have had people come to my practices which were all combinations:
left
> handed with right eye dominance: right handed and right eyed: left
handed
> and left eyed and right handed and left eyed (not to mention people
who
> are shooting with the wrong side). So far is does seem like the
ones which
> have the hardest time are the right handed left eyed people. I
wonder if
> it isn't because left handed people are forced to use their right
hand a
> lot in this society so they are somewhat used to using their off
hand.
> However right handed people are not necessarily forced to use their
left
> hand. Then you start archery and for one of the first times you
have to
> use that hand. In the long run it will make it easier if you are
shooting
> on the right side.
>
> Nest
> >
> > Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
> > right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
> > dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.
Is
> > there any way to adjust for this?
> >
> > Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!
> >
> > Deanna
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Is the affected area right in the middle? If not it probably is not too
much of a bother to your aiming. Are you having problems with your
shooting which was not present before? Well, anyway it couldn't hurt to
try the other side. Though you probably will find it very awkward. Maybe
the dominance test I just wrote about will tell you if you have switched
to using the other eye. Good luck, and I hope you have better health.

Nest
--- "James C. Wolf" <felix47@...> wrote:
> Good Gentles, I was reading the recent posts, and a thought came up. I
> am
> right eyed and right handed, but my right eye has a limited area of view
> due to the effect of a brain tumor that pressed on the optic nerve and
> killed part of it. I do reasonable well, but do you think it would be
> worth the time to try the other way round (ie, left eye, left hand)? As
> I
> don't have a non-handed bow, I haven't tried it, but if you think it
> might work, I'll borrow one from a lefty friend and see.
>
> Felix Gruenstrasse
>
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Greetings.  I am a right handed shooter with left eye dominance.  I have
found there are two ways to deal with this situation.  First, shoot
instinctively.
  This will suffice for most of the shorter range shooting done at most
events.  I can shoot equally well either instinctively or point-of-aim (left eye
closed) up to forty yards.  Beyond that, I want to use an aiming method that
allows me to close my left eye (the dominant one).  The second way I dealt with
this was to wear an eye patch over my left eye.  This forced my brain to learn
to let the right eye do some of the work.  After a couple months I was able to
remove the patch, close the left eye and be effective.  As I've grown in my
archery career I've been able to learn to shoot either right or left handed, but
I would recommend that anyone learn to shoot from whichever "side" is the one
they use in daily life.  It just makes life simpler while you're trying to
learn a bunch of new motor skills.

Thanks,

Andras Truemark
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At 09:37 PM 1/13/04 +0000, you wrote:
>Tried a couple of eye dominance tests just now.  I'm definitely left-
>eye dominant although I'm right-handed.  I was using a right-handed
>bow yesterday, but I must admit I was guessing about the aiming.  I
>was mostly excited that I could get the arrow to leave the bow the
>right way.  :)
>
>I guess I can ask if I can borrow a left-handed bow for a while,
>although I'm sure it'll be awkward.
>
>Thanks for the advice!

I am also left-eyed and right handed.  I never could get used to shooting
left-handed.  I ended up shooting with both eys open, shooting by instinct
rather than aiming.  Rather like a gunslinger.  It works, but  it took
several years to achieve decent accuracy.

Chidiock

dear sir:  This really is not a problem. In 1992 I was involved in a nasty
car wreak and lost the pupil out my right eye. Now being right handed and
right eyed , I had no choice but to try to shoot lefty. I found this was
just an adjustment problem,that is still going on. How ever I find that if I
practice as I should ,I can sneak up on some of the fellows that I shoot
with. There is another one who has just tried to switch is LOrd Eadric The
kingdom archery marschal. He did just because he found that he was right
handed and left eyed. My sugestion is to try it you may find you do better
that way.

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>From: "James C. Wolf" <felix47@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:18:06 -0600
>
>Good Gentles, I was reading the recent posts, and a thought came up. I am
>right eyed and right handed, but my right eye has a limited area of view
>due to the effect of a brain tumor that pressed on the optic nerve and
>killed part of it. I do reasonable well, but do you think it would be
>worth the time to try the other way round (ie, left eye, left hand)? As I
>don't have a non-handed bow, I haven't tried it, but if you think it
>might work, I'll borrow one from a lefty friend and see.
>
>Felix Gruenstrasse
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While we're on the topic of dominance, does anyone have any suggestions for
those of us that do not have a dominant eye?

I'm assuming this is the case, as if I put my thumb over a spot and then
alternate eyes, neither eye is on the spot.  If I look with just my left
eye, I'm pointing left of the spot.  If I look with my right eye, I'm
pointing right of the spot.

I'm guessing it won't have any bearing on the answer, but I'm right handed.
My instinct is to use my right eye for sighting, but that might be just
because I'm righty.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Thomas Gaynesford

-----Original Message-----
From: Talmon Parker [mailto:tt_ann@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:20 PM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions


dear sir:  This really is not a problem. In 1992 I was involved in a nasty
car wreak and lost the pupil out my right eye. Now being right handed and
right eyed , I had no choice but to try to shoot lefty. I found this was
just an adjustment problem,that is still going on. How ever I find that if I
practice as I should ,I can sneak up on some of the fellows that I shoot
with. There is another one who has just tried to switch is LOrd Eadric The
kingdom archery marschal. He did just because he found that he was right
handed and left eyed. My sugestion is to try it you may find you do better
that way.

                              Baron Talmon, Shire of gates edge.
                                     Speed rounds are still hell.


               DER BARON





>From: "James C. Wolf" <felix47@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:18:06 -0600
>
>Good Gentles, I was reading the recent posts, and a thought came up. I am
>right eyed and right handed, but my right eye has a limited area of view
>due to the effect of a brain tumor that pressed on the optic nerve and
>killed part of it. I do reasonable well, but do you think it would be
>worth the time to try the other way round (ie, left eye, left hand)? As I
>don't have a non-handed bow, I haven't tried it, but if you think it
>might work, I'll borrow one from a lefty friend and see.
>
>Felix Gruenstrasse
>
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Yeah !!! practice and lots of it. As for the arm guard a proper grip or hold
will diminish a whole lot of the bruises. In stead of just holding the bow,
try lining up the riser through the knukel in the web of the thumb, this
will move your arm out away from the bow.

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>From: "Robert P. Giddings" <giddirp@...>
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:58:58 -0500
>
>Greetings Deanna,
>
>As someone who is cross-eye dominant (right-handed and left-eyed) I would
>say that even though it is awkward at first, in the long run it will be
>better to shoot left-handed.  It won't be long before it feels natural, to
>the point that shooting right-handed will begin to feel awkward.  I found
>that the biggest challenge wasn't in the actual shot, but rather in getting
>the arrow knocked with my left hand.
>
>Simon Fisc
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ravenwolf18@...>
>To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 14:53
>Subject: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > New member here!
> >
> > I just attended my first SCA Archery practice yesterday and really
> > enjoyed myself.  I have two questions that I thought someone might be
> > able to help out with.
> >
> > I'm using "loaner" equipment until I am ready to purchase my own, but
> > I need to get an arm guard.  While I haven't adopted a specific
> > timeframe yet (new to SCA), I do enjoy the aesthetics of equipment.
> > I'm interested in getting an attractive (possibly leather) arm guard
> > that comes up a bit higher than my elbow (that's where the large
> > bruise I earned yesterday ends).  Can anyone point me in the
> > direction of a good internet store or store in the Pittsburgh region
> > that would carry something like this?
> >
> > Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
> > right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
> > dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.  Is
> > there any way to adjust for this?
> >
> > Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!
> >
> > Deanna
> >
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Greetings and Welcome Deanna

I suggest that you have the bracers custom made,  that way you can get the
kind of leather, the color (black, brown, tan) and the length that you want.
And buy a pair, you'll have a spare.    I like the lace up bracers and I
like mine slightly long than the standard one so I ordered them from a
leatherworker.

Elizabeth
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There is another test you can do if the results of the first are
ambiguous. hold both arms straight out in front of you palmsfacing away
from you. Just as if you were going to push on a wall. Then angle your
hands across each other so there is a small hole that you can look through
formed by the webbing of your thumbs. Now you need another person. Look
through the hole at their eyes. The eye which they can see through the
hole is your dominant eye. That is the one I always like to do first. It
is harder for them to mess with this test if they have a preconceived
notion of which eye should be dominant. Especially if they don't know what
you are doing. See if that helps.

Nest

--- Thomas Gaynesford <gaynesford@...> wrote:
> While we're on the topic of dominance, does anyone have any suggestions
> for
> those of us that do not have a dominant eye?
>
> I'm assuming this is the case, as if I put my thumb over a spot and then
> alternate eyes, neither eye is on the spot.  If I look with just my left
> eye, I'm pointing left of the spot.  If I look with my right eye, I'm
> pointing right of the spot.
>
> I'm guessing it won't have any bearing on the answer, but I'm right
> handed.
> My instinct is to use my right eye for sighting, but that might be just
> because I'm righty.
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Thomas Gaynesford


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> On Jan 13, Thomas Gaynesford illuminated :

> While we're on the topic of dominance, does anyone have any suggestions for
> those of us that do not have a dominant eye?
>
er ... practice?
I'm multi-eye dominant as well.  I've found that I shoot instinctively and
reasonably well left or right handed but I'm more consistent with my right.

Practice on the side that is more comfortable, use the eye patch as
previously suggested, try to 'look down the arrow' - this will tend to make
that eye sufficiently dominant _right then_ and practice.
and if you shoot with both sides/eyes regularly, be prepared for comments
about prowess from the not so physically gifted.  It is useful to be able to
change arms in the middle of a competition when you strain a finger, or
gain a blister :P

and practice more.


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My take - Nope.  Go with your dominant eye.  I have the same issue; right
handed with left dominant eye.  It has a lot of advantages including
using your stronger arm to support your bow.  It takes some getting used
to but isn't really that hard.  I shot right handed for 2-3 years and
then found out about the change.  Makes a world of difference.
Carolus
PS There are some who will tell you to close or cover your dominant eye
and continue to shoot right handed (it's an option) but for my take after
some 40 years of shooting it's better to adjust your shooting style to
fit your body.
CvE

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:53:26 -0000 ravenwolf18@... writes:
> Hello,
>
> New member here!
>
> I just attended my first SCA Archery practice yesterday and really
> enjoyed myself.  I have two questions that I thought someone might
> be
> able to help out with.
>
> I'm using "loaner" equipment until I am ready to purchase my own,
> but
> I need to get an arm guard.  While I haven't adopted a specific
> timeframe yet (new to SCA), I do enjoy the aesthetics of equipment.
>
> I'm interested in getting an attractive (possibly leather) arm guard
>
> that comes up a bit higher than my elbow (that's where the large
> bruise I earned yesterday ends).  Can anyone point me in the
> direction of a good internet store or store in the Pittsburgh region
>
> that would carry something like this?
>
> Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
> right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
> dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.  Is
>
> there any way to adjust for this?
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!
>
> Deanna

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Good luck with the dominance thing, looks like you've got plenty of advice
there. All I can add to that is that every shooting coach I've ever had, be
it  in archery or things that go boom, has said that ya gotta learn to shoot
on the dominant eye side.

About the arm gaurd though, I know the bruise about which you speak, and you
really shouldn't be hitting your elbow at all. Some folks have a tendency to
"lock out" the elbow joint when they draw, causing it to protrude into the
path of the string. Try this; hold your arm out as if holding a bow, place
your bow hand against a vertical beam or a corner so that your fingers are
on one side of the corner and your thumb on the other. This will approximate
the angle of your hand holding the bow and keep it from moving. Now look at
your elbow; if it sticks out where the string might hit it then rotate your
arm so that the the protruding part is pointing down, out of harms way. It
takes a little practice to get used to rotating your arm while holding your
hand still so practicing with your hand anchored is helpful. You may still
need an armguard for your wrist but you should be able to avoid bruised
arms.

-Ryss Michael Longshanks
somewhere in Antir

>From: ravenwolf18@...
>Reply-To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [SCA-Archery] Arm Guard Suggestions
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:53:26 -0000
>
>Hello,
>
>New member here!
>
>I just attended my first SCA Archery practice yesterday and really
>enjoyed myself.  I have two questions that I thought someone might be
>able to help out with.
>
>I'm using "loaner" equipment until I am ready to purchase my own, but
>I need to get an arm guard.  While I haven't adopted a specific
>timeframe yet (new to SCA), I do enjoy the aesthetics of equipment.
>I'm interested in getting an attractive (possibly leather) arm guard
>that comes up a bit higher than my elbow (that's where the large
>bruise I earned yesterday ends).  Can anyone point me in the
>direction of a good internet store or store in the Pittsburgh region
>that would carry something like this?
>
>Second question is: I thought I was right-eye dominant, since I'm
>right-handed, but I suspect that I may actually be left-eye
>dominant.  I feel completely awkward using a leftie bow, though.  Is
>there any way to adjust for this?
>
>Thanks ahead of time for any help you can give!
>
>Deanna
>
>
>
>
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Gentles all, an eyepatch can be used to strengthen the opposite eye but care
should be taken if you practice often (several times a week) for long
periods of time. Throughout my teen years I was on a team that shot a
particular device which shall not be mentioned here and our coaches
universally insisted that we shoot with both eyes open, as constant practice
with one eye covered or shut can cause that eye to "go lazy". Such was their
concern that great pains were taken to break new shooters of this habit.

As a side note; if you like to shoot war you'll find that depth perception
and tracking of moving targets is somewhat better is you shoot with both
eyes open.

-Ryss Michael Longshanks
somewhere in Antir

>atruemark@... wrote:

>>Greetings.  I am a right handed shooter with left eye dominance.  I have
>found there are two ways to deal with this situation.  First, shoot
>instinctively.
>  This will suffice for most of the shorter range shooting done at most
>events.  I can shoot equally well either instinctively or point-of-aim
>(left eye
>closed) up to forty yards.  Beyond that, I want to use an aiming method
>that
>allows me to close my left eye (the dominant one).  The second way I dealt
>with
>this was to wear an eye patch over my left eye.  This forced my brain to
>learn
>to let the right eye do some of the work.  After a couple months I was able
>to
>remove the patch, close the left eye and be effective.  As I've grown in my
>archery career I've been able to learn to shoot either right or left
>handed, but
>I would recommend that anyone learn to shoot from whichever "side" is the
>one
>they use in daily life.  It just makes life simpler while you're trying to
>learn a bunch of new motor skills.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andras Truemark
>Ludicrous Bowman, AnTir
>

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We helped one of the scouts at camp overcome his eye dominance problem with
an eyepatch.  He wore an eyepatch over his left eye all day for about 3 days
and then was able to easily use his right eye to sight with during his merit
badge shooting requirement.  I saw him the next year and he was still right
eye dominant.
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> We helped one of the scouts at camp overcome his eye dominance problem
with
> an eyepatch.  He wore an eyepatch over his left eye all day for about 3
days
> and then was able to easily use his right eye to sight with during his
merit
> badge shooting requirement.  I saw him the next year and he was still
right
> eye dominant.
> Ronan MacMorton
>
>

Yuh, what?  Eye dominance "problem"?  "still right eye dominant"?

As Baron Talmon mentioned earlier, I am cross-dominant.  In my case right
handed by left eyed.  All my life I have naturally done somethings right
handed and some left handed depending on how involved my eyes were in what I
was doing. Many things I have just learned to do equally well with either
hand.  As a kid playing baseball I had a great batting average and it was
attributed to being cross-dominant (the dominant eye is the one looking at
the pitcher and the dominant hand is controlling the bat).

A few years ago I discovered that I have hit a plateau with my archery and
no matter how much I practiced I didn't get much better.  Since I had been
shooting for years with my non-dominant eye (because when I learned to shoot
it was right handed bows that were available)  I decided to switch and see
if that would help.  When I first started shooting left eyed/handed I really
stunk up the place but after a few weeks it began to feel naturally and I
quickly improved to surpass my earlier efforts shooting with my non-dominant
eye.

Eye dominance is a matter of how you are wired and rewiring isn't as easy as
putting a batch over the other eye.  You can learn to use the non-dominant
eye.  You can learn to discount/ignore your dominant eye.  You can
strengthen the don-dominant eye.  However, if you are born and develop
left-eyed, unless there is some sort of accident, you are most likely going
to remain left eyed.  My advice is to go with it, get a bow that allows you
to use your dominant eye.

Regards,


HL Eadric Anstapa
Ansteorra
eadric@...

In a message dated 1/14/04 1:23:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
russ_leighton@... writes:
Gentles all, an eyepatch can be used to strengthen the opposite eye but care
should be taken if you practice often
Ryss makes a good point here.  I did not mean to imply this was the proper
solution to this problem.  It was more a comment about one of the ways I dealt
with it.  I would never ask my students to try it.  Thank you for bringing this
up, Ryss.  It's obvious I didn't think my response through far enough.

In Service,

Andras Truemark


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If you just want to buy an arm guard online there are a couple of sites
which sell quite a selection of them.

http://www.3riversarchery.com/

http://ns1.bowsite.org/acb/webpage.cfm?WebPage_ID=2&DID=6

Are 2 of them. The first has more than the second.


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