Group,

I am getting ready to install a 43ft S9 and in considering locations I
have a great location where I can run radials for 80M, but not 160M.  If I
add a 160M coil will I get reasonably good performance on 160M?  Or do I
need to find a spot where I can lay out the 160M radials?

Thanks for your thoughts,

73,
Patrick

Run 43' radials and you should be fine.

73,

Ron - KJ5XX
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Patrick Johnson" <pjm@...>
Sender: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:24:02
To: <s9antennas@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S9Antennas] 160M coil with 80M radials performance qestion

Group,

I am getting ready to install a 43ft S9 and in considering locations I
have a great location where I can run radials for 80M, but not 160M.  If I
add a 160M coil will I get reasonably good performance on 160M?  Or do I
need to find a spot where I can lay out the 160M radials?

Thanks for your thoughts,

73,
Patrick




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If you get a good radials system down with 80 meter you should do great with
it    I have 25 foot radials 25 of them and my chain link fence hook to my
and it work good on 160.

I have work all states and some 10 county with my.

WW8O Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Patrick Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 AM
To: s9antennas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S9Antennas] 160M coil with 80M radials performance qestion

Group,

I am getting ready to install a 43ft S9 and in considering locations I have
a great location where I can run radials for 80M, but not 160M.  If I add a
160M coil will I get reasonably good performance on 160M?  Or do I need to
find a spot where I can lay out the 160M radials?

Thanks for your thoughts,

73,
Patrick



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Looking for another S9 31' version.
Please state condition and price to 08750.

Jeff
K2SDR

jkelly at verizon.net

Jeff...
Why don't you buy it from cheapham and take advantage of the free balun
offer...probably a better deal than buying a used S9. IMHO...
John - KE4HGR

To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
From: jkelly@...
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:55:59 +0000
Subject: [S9Antennas] WTB 31' foot S9




























       Looking for another S9 31' version.

Please state condition and price to 08750.



Jeff

K2SDR



jkelly at verizon.net


















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Thanks I'll check it out.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: john zenick
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:13 PM
To: s9antennas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S9Antennas] WTB 31' foot S9


Jeff...
Why don't you buy it from cheapham and take advantage of the free balun
offer...probably a better deal than buying a used S9. IMHO...
John - KE4HGR

To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
From: jkelly@...
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:55:59 +0000
Subject: [S9Antennas] WTB 31' foot S9




























       Looking for another S9 31' version.

Please state condition and price to 08750.



Jeff

K2SDR



jkelly at verizon.net


















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Does the S9 antenna tuen up on 75/80 meters?  If so, how well does it perform? 
I'm thinking of purchasing the 31', but lately, I've been doing more on 75/80
and would hate to buy the 31' if it does not work well on this band.

Thanks and 73!
Marty

With out coils the 18 ft and 31 foot will not do 75/80. Only the 43 foot wil do
what you are asking.




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  JOCK  KC6IIHdziki64 <dziki64@...> wrote:Does the S9 antenna tuen up on
75/80 meters? If so, how well does it perform? I'm thinking of purchasing the
31', but lately, I've been doing more on 75/80 and would hate to buy the 31' if
it does not work well on this band.

Thanks and 73!
Marty




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It can work as is on 80m BUT very poor as its length is too short!
You can make/buy/get a coil that goes between the 1:1 unun & the vertical to get
the electrical length somewhere near the 1/4 wave and you need at least 4 x 1/4
wave radials out as well.

If your currently working using a horizontal 80/75 aerial, dont forget the
change in polarization in the vertical and the different part of ionpshere you
will be working in (ie working less ground wave )

 
Thanks

Chris Baker B.A.
 
 
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To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012, 17:52
Subject: [S9Antennas] S9 31' on 75?

Does the S9 antenna tuen up on 75/80 meters?  If so, how well does it perform? 
I'm thinking of purchasing the 31', but lately, I've been doing more on 75/80
and would hate to buy the 31' if it does not work well on this band.

Thanks and 73!
Marty



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I work 80/75 on my 31'.  I have a legal-limit UNUN and it tunes on 80-6m. 
80/75, not the most efficient radiator, but it does make contacts.  I don't use
any coils.

Just like the 43' will make contacts on 160 with an UNUN.

73,

Ron - KJ5XX



--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "dziki64" <dziki64@...> wrote:
>
> Does the S9 antenna tuen up on 75/80 meters?  If so, how well does it perform?
I'm thinking of purchasing the 31', but lately, I've been doing more on 75/80
and would hate to buy the 31' if it does not work well on this band.
>
> Thanks and 73!
> Marty
>

Howdy Folks,
sorry if I'm asking something that has already been asked - I've looked through
the archive and folks talk about  putting at least (4) 1/2 wave ground radials
on their above ground  mounted S9V31... what's the easiest way to do that in mid
air?

I've currently got a twenty-five foot high mast that I'd like to use... the top
of the mast is about level with the top of my roof (about 30' north of the
pole.)  I'm targeting 20M use so, I would need (4) 32.3' radials.    Now the fun
part, how do I put up these radials?

I've seen configurations where folks would run a wire from the base of the
antenna strung through mid air to an insulator then rope from the insulator to a
convenient tie off.  Is that pretty much my only choice?   If I were mainly
interested in 10M I was thinking of attaching stainless steel whips as my ground
radials - I like that as it wouldn't require anything to be strung up... let me
rephrase that - My wife will allow me to do this if I don't have to string
things around the yard/house.  I've got one corner of the house to work with...
as long as it's off the ground and doesn't come out of that corner ;)

Another question for those that made it this far... LDG's information say's NOT
to connect the coax shielding OR the ground radials to an earth ground - Is this
sound advice?  Currently I've got the shielding of my coax tied to earth ground
in the shack and at the antenna feed point... I thought that was the correct way
to ground your setup??

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Alex.

Putting the antenna in the air with tuned radials is known as a
groundplane configuration. People usually say four radials and that
probably is about the optimum balance between performance and
practicality. You could go more than four and you can go less. I'm using
three radials myself and people have gotten by with two or even a single
solitary one.  I use a high pound test rating monofilament fishing line
to hold up the ends of my radials, it's less obtrusive than rope. My
radials themselves are made of 14 gauge insulated copper wire made for
household wiring and they are not really that noticeable up in the air.
The insulation color is green, black would probably be even less
noticeable, I'd stay away from red!
   Don't connect an antenna configured in this fashion to earth ground
anywhere at the antenna end.  I do have all my coax cables shield
connected to a common earth ground at the shack end of things. I can't
imagine not doing that.
Hope this helps and if I can help with any other questions, let me know.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/16/2012 3:33 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
>
> Howdy Folks,
> sorry if I'm asking something that has already been asked - I've
> looked through the archive and folks talk about putting at least (4)
> 1/2 wave ground radials on their above ground mounted S9V31... what's
> the easiest way to do that in mid air?
>
> I've currently got a twenty-five foot high mast that I'd like to
> use... the top of the mast is about level with the top of my roof
> (about 30' north of the pole.) I'm targeting 20M use so, I would need
> (4) 32.3' radials. Now the fun part, how do I put up these radials?
>
> I've seen configurations where folks would run a wire from the base of
> the antenna strung through mid air to an insulator then rope from the
> insulator to a convenient tie off. Is that pretty much my only choice?
> If I were mainly interested in 10M I was thinking of attaching
> stainless steel whips as my ground radials - I like that as it
> wouldn't require anything to be strung up... let me rephrase that - My
> wife will allow me to do this if I don't have to string things around
> the yard/house. I've got one corner of the house to work with... as
> long as it's off the ground and doesn't come out of that corner ;)
>
> Another question for those that made it this far... LDG's information
> say's NOT to connect the coax shielding OR the ground radials to an
> earth ground - Is this sound advice? Currently I've got the shielding
> of my coax tied to earth ground in the shack and at the antenna feed
> point... I thought that was the correct way to ground your setup??
>
> Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Michael,
One more question about the groundplane configuration and I think I'll be
cleared up.  So, my intention is to focus on 20M but, I plan on 10M as well as
browsing the full 80-6.  So, the 1/2 wave groundplane should be tuned for the
lowest frequency (longest radial) and that will cover the shorter bands equally
well?
Or, do I then need (optimally) (4) more ground plane radials tuned for 10M 1/2
wave - thus having (4) for 20M and (4) for 10M??

Thanks again,
Alex.

--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Michael Tondee <mat_62@...> wrote:
>
> Putting the antenna in the air with tuned radials is known as a
> groundplane configuration. People usually say four radials and that
> probably is about the optimum balance between performance and
> practicality. You could go more than four and you can go less. I'm using
> three radials myself and people have gotten by with two or even a single
> solitary one.  I use a high pound test rating monofilament fishing line
> to hold up the ends of my radials, it's less obtrusive than rope. My
> radials themselves are made of 14 gauge insulated copper wire made for
> household wiring and they are not really that noticeable up in the air.
> The insulation color is green, black would probably be even less
> noticeable, I'd stay away from red!
>   Don't connect an antenna configured in this fashion to earth ground
> anywhere at the antenna end.  I do have all my coax cables shield
> connected to a common earth ground at the shack end of things. I can't
> imagine not doing that.
> Hope this helps and if I can help with any other questions, let me know.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 2/16/2012 3:33 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
> >
> > Howdy Folks,
> > sorry if I'm asking something that has already been asked - I've
> > looked through the archive and folks talk about putting at least (4)
> > 1/2 wave ground radials on their above ground mounted S9V31... what's
> > the easiest way to do that in mid air?
> >
> > I've currently got a twenty-five foot high mast that I'd like to
> > use... the top of the mast is about level with the top of my roof
> > (about 30' north of the pole.) I'm targeting 20M use so, I would need
> > (4) 32.3' radials. Now the fun part, how do I put up these radials?
> >
> > I've seen configurations where folks would run a wire from the base of
> > the antenna strung through mid air to an insulator then rope from the
> > insulator to a convenient tie off. Is that pretty much my only choice?
> > If I were mainly interested in 10M I was thinking of attaching
> > stainless steel whips as my ground radials - I like that as it
> > wouldn't require anything to be strung up... let me rephrase that - My
> > wife will allow me to do this if I don't have to string things around
> > the yard/house. I've got one corner of the house to work with... as
> > long as it's off the ground and doesn't come out of that corner ;)
> >
> > Another question for those that made it this far... LDG's information
> > say's NOT to connect the coax shielding OR the ground radials to an
> > earth ground - Is this sound advice? Currently I've got the shielding
> > of my coax tied to earth ground in the shack and at the antenna feed
> > point... I thought that was the correct way to ground your setup??
> >
> > Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
> > Thanks,
> > Alex.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

From my reading and what I've been taught over the years, its always
been my impression than when you elevate a vertical and string out tuned
radials in a GP configuration that you are going to need radials
specifically cut for each band of operation. Some folks use  the old
flat three or five wire rotor cable for radials and cut the individual
wires to length for the different bands. However, folks on this  list
have told me that if you use an UNUN that things will be as you say and
that if you have only 40 meter radials that the antenna will load up on
bands higher than 40 meters as well. I have no UNUN,  I only use a choke
balun made by winding some of my coax around a piece of four inch PVC
and since I have a small Cushcraft MA-5 beam that does a great job on
20-10 meters, I've had no inclination to even try and load the S-9 up on
those bands. Hopefully someone else can chime in and answer that
question for you a bit better.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/16/2012 11:06 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
>
> Thanks Michael,
> One more question about the groundplane configuration and I think I'll be
> cleared up. So, my intention is to focus on 20M but, I plan on 10M as
> well as
> browsing the full 80-6. So, the 1/2 wave groundplane should be tuned
> for the
> lowest frequency (longest radial) and that will cover the shorter
> bands equally well?
> Or, do I then need (optimally) (4) more ground plane radials tuned for
> 10M 1/2 wave - thus having (4) for 20M and (4) for 10M??
>
> Thanks again,
> Alex.
>
> --- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S9Antennas%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Tondee <mat_62@...> wrote:
> >
> > Putting the antenna in the air with tuned radials is known as a
> > groundplane configuration. People usually say four radials and that
> > probably is about the optimum balance between performance and
> > practicality. You could go more than four and you can go less. I'm
> using
> > three radials myself and people have gotten by with two or even a
> single
> > solitary one. I use a high pound test rating monofilament fishing line
> > to hold up the ends of my radials, it's less obtrusive than rope. My
> > radials themselves are made of 14 gauge insulated copper wire made for
> > household wiring and they are not really that noticeable up in the air.
> > The insulation color is green, black would probably be even less
> > noticeable, I'd stay away from red!
> > Don't connect an antenna configured in this fashion to earth ground
> > anywhere at the antenna end. I do have all my coax cables shield
> > connected to a common earth ground at the shack end of things. I can't
> > imagine not doing that.
> > Hope this helps and if I can help with any other questions, let me know.
> > 73,
> > Michael, W4HIJ
> > On 2/16/2012 3:33 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy Folks,
> > > sorry if I'm asking something that has already been asked - I've
> > > looked through the archive and folks talk about putting at least (4)
> > > 1/2 wave ground radials on their above ground mounted S9V31... what's
> > > the easiest way to do that in mid air?
> > >
> > > I've currently got a twenty-five foot high mast that I'd like to
> > > use... the top of the mast is about level with the top of my roof
> > > (about 30' north of the pole.) I'm targeting 20M use so, I would need
> > > (4) 32.3' radials. Now the fun part, how do I put up these radials?
> > >
> > > I've seen configurations where folks would run a wire from the
> base of
> > > the antenna strung through mid air to an insulator then rope from the
> > > insulator to a convenient tie off. Is that pretty much my only
> choice?
> > > If I were mainly interested in 10M I was thinking of attaching
> > > stainless steel whips as my ground radials - I like that as it
> > > wouldn't require anything to be strung up... let me rephrase that
> - My
> > > wife will allow me to do this if I don't have to string things around
> > > the yard/house. I've got one corner of the house to work with... as
> > > long as it's off the ground and doesn't come out of that corner ;)
> > >
> > > Another question for those that made it this far... LDG's information
> > > say's NOT to connect the coax shielding OR the ground radials to an
> > > earth ground - Is this sound advice? Currently I've got the shielding
> > > of my coax tied to earth ground in the shack and at the antenna feed
> > > point... I thought that was the correct way to ground your setup??
> > >
> > > Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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I am going to use my antenna on 75 and maybe on 160 I know i need a coil for
those bands my antenna a 31 ft do i need a un-un? where can i find one and also
what kind? and mayb can i make one. thanks Robert

I made a ground coil in an "S" type pattern.  I cut it for 20 meters; however i
don't think the length is as important.  I did this as my S9 was about 2 feet
from a fence so I could complete a radial pattern.
I mounted the wire through lengths of wood between a plastic cover as to
"sandwich" the shape in place.  I run this with a Petloany coil and a very
limited radial system in a 180 degree pattern.
I have a photo in the gallery here. As far as performance, I hope to get some
readings done once the snow is gone on my mini VNA analyzer.
My best contact so far has been Belfast, Northern Ireland from Saskatoon Sask
Canada.

I read that if the coil is above ground that it should have a 45 degree angle on
it.  I am not sure if this makes much difference but i did give it a try. My 20m
"s" wind coil is laying on the ground.  I got this idea from an article some one
wrote about a "Note Book" antenna for portable work.
   I am anxious to see how John's third coil is working.  If he claims a lot of
success, I may try this as well, possibly with a roof top vertical mount.  In
the end I have been lead to believe that more is always better! - VE5MJB Mark

--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johndorson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris. No I haven't but I don't think it would make any difference at all
> which direction the coils face. Right now I and gathering the parts to build
> a third coil as I have room for it and feel it can only add the success of
> the antenna. All I need is to get the wire and I'll be ready to put it
> together. Have a great hamming week.
>
>
>
> 73's John K2JHU.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of g4ldsqrp
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:13 AM
> To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S9Antennas] Re: My Petlowany Coils
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wonder if you have tried the coils horizntal and if so what difference it
> made?
> Chris
> --- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S9Antennas%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "John" <johndorson@> wrote:
> >
> > I've posted a picture of my 2 coil antenna. I used a 28' collapsible pole.
> > Ran 32' of wire down to near the bottom then coiled the rest around the
> > pole. I first had only one coil and two counterpoise wires but decided to
> > add the second coil and eliminate to other wires.
> >
> > The antenna works out great and it would be hard to find when looking for
> > it.
> >
> > I'll post another picture of the antenna so you can see how it is hidden.
> > BTW I owe having this setup to Ron Bean, KJ5XX for his advice and
> > encouragement in getting this antenna built.
> >
> > John...K2JHU
> >
>
>
>
>   _____
>
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>
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>

Awesome, thanks for all the advice!
I think I"ll give it a try with and with out the shorter radials and see if it
helps... if it doesn't I'll stick with the minimal setup (keep the wife happy.)
As I composed my last post with, "one last question..." you know I doomed it ;)

As for the GP Radials and the angle of drop... in a perfect world that would
be 27 degree drop (below horizontal or 117 degrees from antenna?)
Or is the flat 90 degree horizontal ideal?

Thanks again, I'm so glad I found this forum!
73,
Alex.
--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, Michael Tondee <mat_62@...> wrote:
>
>  From my reading and what I've been taught over the years, its always
> been my impression than when you elevate a vertical and string out tuned
> radials in a GP configuration that you are going to need radials
> specifically cut for each band of operation. Some folks use  the old
> flat three or five wire rotor cable for radials and cut the individual
> wires to length for the different bands. However, folks on this  list
> have told me that if you use an UNUN that things will be as you say and
> that if you have only 40 meter radials that the antenna will load up on
> bands higher than 40 meters as well. I have no UNUN,  I only use a choke
> balun made by winding some of my coax around a piece of four inch PVC
> and since I have a small Cushcraft MA-5 beam that does a great job on
> 20-10 meters, I've had no inclination to even try and load the S-9 up on
> those bands. Hopefully someone else can chime in and answer that
> question for you a bit better.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 2/16/2012 11:06 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Michael,
> > One more question about the groundplane configuration and I think I'll be
> > cleared up. So, my intention is to focus on 20M but, I plan on 10M as
> > well as
> > browsing the full 80-6. So, the 1/2 wave groundplane should be tuned
> > for the
> > lowest frequency (longest radial) and that will cover the shorter
> > bands equally well?
> > Or, do I then need (optimally) (4) more ground plane radials tuned for
> > 10M 1/2 wave - thus having (4) for 20M and (4) for 10M??
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Alex.
> >
> > --- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:S9Antennas%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Tondee <mat_62@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Putting the antenna in the air with tuned radials is known as a
> > > groundplane configuration. People usually say four radials and that
> > > probably is about the optimum balance between performance and
> > > practicality. You could go more than four and you can go less. I'm
> > using
> > > three radials myself and people have gotten by with two or even a
> > single
> > > solitary one. I use a high pound test rating monofilament fishing line
> > > to hold up the ends of my radials, it's less obtrusive than rope. My
> > > radials themselves are made of 14 gauge insulated copper wire made for
> > > household wiring and they are not really that noticeable up in the air.
> > > The insulation color is green, black would probably be even less
> > > noticeable, I'd stay away from red!
> > > Don't connect an antenna configured in this fashion to earth ground
> > > anywhere at the antenna end. I do have all my coax cables shield
> > > connected to a common earth ground at the shack end of things. I can't
> > > imagine not doing that.
> > > Hope this helps and if I can help with any other questions, let me know.
> > > 73,
> > > Michael, W4HIJ
> > > On 2/16/2012 3:33 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Howdy Folks,
> > > > sorry if I'm asking something that has already been asked - I've
> > > > looked through the archive and folks talk about putting at least (4)
> > > > 1/2 wave ground radials on their above ground mounted S9V31... what's
> > > > the easiest way to do that in mid air?
> > > >
> > > > I've currently got a twenty-five foot high mast that I'd like to
> > > > use... the top of the mast is about level with the top of my roof
> > > > (about 30' north of the pole.) I'm targeting 20M use so, I would need
> > > > (4) 32.3' radials. Now the fun part, how do I put up these radials?
> > > >
> > > > I've seen configurations where folks would run a wire from the
> > base of
> > > > the antenna strung through mid air to an insulator then rope from the
> > > > insulator to a convenient tie off. Is that pretty much my only
> > choice?
> > > > If I were mainly interested in 10M I was thinking of attaching
> > > > stainless steel whips as my ground radials - I like that as it
> > > > wouldn't require anything to be strung up... let me rephrase that
> > - My
> > > > wife will allow me to do this if I don't have to string things around
> > > > the yard/house. I've got one corner of the house to work with... as
> > > > long as it's off the ground and doesn't come out of that corner ;)
> > > >
> > > > Another question for those that made it this far... LDG's information
> > > > say's NOT to connect the coax shielding OR the ground radials to an
> > > > earth ground - Is this sound advice? Currently I've got the shielding
> > > > of my coax tied to earth ground in the shack and at the antenna feed
> > > > point... I thought that was the correct way to ground your setup??
> > > >
> > > > Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alex.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Most of us try to angle the radials down some from the antenna although
I don't know what the "ideal" is off the top of my head. I think it
affects the feed point impedance but it's not that critical. All three
of mine are angled down but to varying degrees with one at a much
steeper angle than the other two.  It's based on the layout of my lot
and where I could find a handy tie off place for my fishing line.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/18/2012 12:16 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
>
> Awesome, thanks for all the advice!
> I think I"ll give it a try with and with out the shorter radials and
> see if it
> helps... if it doesn't I'll stick with the minimal setup (keep the
> wife happy.)
> As I composed my last post with, "one last question..." you know I
> doomed it ;)
>
> As for the GP Radials and the angle of drop... in a perfect world that
> would
> be 27 degree drop (below horizontal or 117 degrees from antenna?)
> Or is the flat 90 degree horizontal ideal?
>
> Thanks again, I'm so glad I found this forum!
> 73,
> Alex.
> --- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S9Antennas%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Tondee <mat_62@...> wrote:
> >
> > From my reading and what I've been taught over the years, its always
> > been my impression than when you elevate a vertical and string out
> tuned
> > radials in a GP configuration that you are going to need radials
> > specifically cut for each band of operation. Some folks use the old
> > flat three or five wire rotor cable for radials and cut the individual
> > wires to length for the different bands. However, folks on this list
> > have told me that if you use an UNUN that things will be as you say and
> > that if you have only 40 meter radials that the antenna will load up on
> > bands higher than 40 meters as well. I have no UNUN, I only use a choke
> > balun made by winding some of my coax around a piece of four inch PVC
> > and since I have a small Cushcraft MA-5 beam that does a great job on
> > 20-10 meters, I've had no inclination to even try and load the S-9
> up on
> > those bands. Hopefully someone else can chime in and answer that
> > question for you a bit better.
> > 73,
> > Michael, W4HIJ
> > On 2/16/2012 11:06 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Michael,
> > > One more question about the groundplane configuration and I think
> I'll be
> > > cleared up. So, my intention is to focus on 20M but, I plan on 10M as
> > > well as
> > > browsing the full 80-6. So, the 1/2 wave groundplane should be tuned
> > > for the
> > > lowest frequency (longest radial) and that will cover the shorter
> > > bands equally well?
> > > Or, do I then need (optimally) (4) more ground plane radials tuned
> for
> > > 10M 1/2 wave - thus having (4) for 20M and (4) for 10M??
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > > --- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S9Antennas%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:S9Antennas%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Tondee <mat_62@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Putting the antenna in the air with tuned radials is known as a
> > > > groundplane configuration. People usually say four radials and that
> > > > probably is about the optimum balance between performance and
> > > > practicality. You could go more than four and you can go less. I'm
> > > using
> > > > three radials myself and people have gotten by with two or even a
> > > single
> > > > solitary one. I use a high pound test rating monofilament
> fishing line
> > > > to hold up the ends of my radials, it's less obtrusive than rope. My
> > > > radials themselves are made of 14 gauge insulated copper wire
> made for
> > > > household wiring and they are not really that noticeable up in
> the air.
> > > > The insulation color is green, black would probably be even less
> > > > noticeable, I'd stay away from red!
> > > > Don't connect an antenna configured in this fashion to earth ground
> > > > anywhere at the antenna end. I do have all my coax cables shield
> > > > connected to a common earth ground at the shack end of things. I
> can't
> > > > imagine not doing that.
> > > > Hope this helps and if I can help with any other questions, let
> me know.
> > > > 73,
> > > > Michael, W4HIJ
> > > > On 2/16/2012 3:33 PM, wi6le9 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Howdy Folks,
> > > > > sorry if I'm asking something that has already been asked - I've
> > > > > looked through the archive and folks talk about putting at
> least (4)
> > > > > 1/2 wave ground radials on their above ground mounted S9V31...
> what's
> > > > > the easiest way to do that in mid air?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've currently got a twenty-five foot high mast that I'd like to
> > > > > use... the top of the mast is about level with the top of my roof
> > > > > (about 30' north of the pole.) I'm targeting 20M use so, I
> would need
> > > > > (4) 32.3' radials. Now the fun part, how do I put up these
> radials?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've seen configurations where folks would run a wire from the
> > > base of
> > > > > the antenna strung through mid air to an insulator then rope
> from the
> > > > > insulator to a convenient tie off. Is that pretty much my only
> > > choice?
> > > > > If I were mainly interested in 10M I was thinking of attaching
> > > > > stainless steel whips as my ground radials - I like that as it
> > > > > wouldn't require anything to be strung up... let me rephrase that
> > > - My
> > > > > wife will allow me to do this if I don't have to string things
> around
> > > > > the yard/house. I've got one corner of the house to work
> with... as
> > > > > long as it's off the ground and doesn't come out of that corner ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Another question for those that made it this far... LDG's
> information
> > > > > say's NOT to connect the coax shielding OR the ground radials
> to an
> > > > > earth ground - Is this sound advice? Currently I've got the
> shielding
> > > > > of my coax tied to earth ground in the shack and at the
> antenna feed
> > > > > point... I thought that was the correct way to ground your setup??
> > > > >
> > > > > Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Alex.
>



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How long are the 4 pieces of PVC that make up where the wire is strung???

Who is this question being addressed to.



John K2JHU.



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How long are the 4 pieces of PVC that make up where the wire is strung???



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Well if you think about what you are asking ---- Which antenna ?



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Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 2:14 pm
Subject: [S9Antennas] PVC lengths




How long are the 4 pieces of PVC that make up where the wire is strung???







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31 Foot.  Sorry I ask.

John
KB4OIF
Proud Vietnam Vet
Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!
There would be no freedom without the military........
In God, we trust


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Gee, being a little sensitive aren't we John?  I mean, you threw a question out
here called "Pvc lengths" without any context whatsoever about what the question
was related to, what the problem was, or what you were trying to accomplish.  To
be perfectly honest, I didn't know if you were trying to build radials or a new
type of chicken coop.

People on here are generally very friendly and always anxious to help, but
there's no need to go off with hurt feelings when all people are trying to do is
understand your question.

I generally try to make sure I clearly understand the problem before attempting
to offer advice.  But maybe that's just me.

73,

Ron - KJ5XX

--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, kb4oif@... wrote:
>
>
> 31 Foot.  Sorry I ask.
>
> John
> KB4OIF
> Proud Vietnam Vet
> Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!
> There would be no freedom without the military........
> In God, we trust
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sorry.  I "assumed"  my bad that the conversation was about the pet
coils is mostly with the 31 foot ones.  I am talking about my 31 foot
S9.  I would like to build one just to try it and see if it works better
than my radial field. I am not a good builder.   I did get the radial
field I was working on down to an acceptable SWR level and with the
tuner it is not a problem.   Like most hams , I like to try things and
since you and many others have a lot of success with the pet coils ,
thought I would try it.  Sorry if I came off like I did.  I will be more
detailed in the future.

John
KB4OIF
Proud Vietnam Vet
Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!
There would be no freedom without the military........
In God, we trust


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I don't think the coils do anything to replace radials.
I understand they increase bands or frequencies. 



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab
  JOCK  KC6IIHkb4oif@... wrote:
Sorry. I "assumed" my bad that the conversation was about the pet
coils is mostly with the 31 foot ones. I am talking about my 31 foot
S9. I would like to build one just to try it and see if it works better
than my radial field. I am not a good builder. I did get the radial
field I was working on down to an acceptable SWR level and with the
tuner it is not a problem. Like most hams , I like to try things and
since you and many others have a lot of success with the pet coils ,
thought I would try it. Sorry if I came off like I did. I will be more
detailed in the future.

John
KB4OIF
Proud Vietnam Vet
Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!
There would be no freedom without the military........
In God, we trust

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No problem, just didn't know you were asking about Pet coils.

If you look in the files section, there is a how-to that details how to build
one.  All the dimensions are included.

Oh, and you can build one for any size vertical.  Just so happens that the
instructions I mentioned above are for a 31'.  Should only add to the
performance of your radial field.

73,

Ron - KJ5XX
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-----Original Message-----
From: kb4oif@...
Sender: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:58:52
To: <s9antennas@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S9Antennas] Re: PVC lengths


Sorry.  I "assumed"  my bad that the conversation was about the pet
coils is mostly with the 31 foot ones.  I am talking about my 31 foot
S9.  I would like to build one just to try it and see if it works better
than my radial field. I am not a good builder.   I did get the radial
field I was working on down to an acceptable SWR level and with the
tuner it is not a problem.   Like most hams , I like to try things and
since you and many others have a lot of success with the pet coils ,
thought I would try it.  Sorry if I came off like I did.  I will be more
detailed in the future.

John
KB4OIF
Proud Vietnam Vet
Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!
There would be no freedom without the military........
In God, we trust


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Hey,Ron..with the addition of the Petlowany coils,doesn't the S9V antennas then
fall into the category of a portable antenna?.hi hi..Dennis W7KB.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ron@...>
To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:29:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [S9Antennas] Re: PVC lengths













Gee, being a little sensitive aren't we John?  I mean, you threw a question out
here called "Pvc lengths" without any context whatsoever about what the question
was related to, what the problem was, or what you were trying to accomplish.  To
be perfectly honest, I didn't know if you were trying to build radials or a new
type of chicken coop.



People on here are generally very friendly and always anxious to help, but
there's no need to go off with hurt feelings when all people are trying to do is
understand your question.



I generally try to make sure I clearly understand the problem before attempting
to offer advice.  But maybe that's just me.



73,



Ron - KJ5XX



--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, kb4oif@... wrote:


>


>


> 31 Foot.  Sorry I ask.


>


> John


> KB4OIF


> Proud Vietnam Vet


> Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!


> There would be no freedom without the military........


> In God, we trust


>


>


> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


>







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Actually they replace radials; no they don't increase bands or frequencies.  A
Pet coil is nothing more than a counterpoise.  Operated my S9 for some time with
no radials at all - only a single Pet coil.  John, K2JHU is running with 3 Pet
coils, no radials.

73,

Ron - KJ5XX
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Sender: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:21:03
To: <s9antennas@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S9Antennas] Re: PVC lengths


I don't think the coils do anything to replace radials.
I understand they increase bands or frequencies. 



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab
  JOCK  KC6IIHkb4oif@... wrote:
Sorry. I "assumed" my bad that the conversation was about the pet
coils is mostly with the 31 foot ones. I am talking about my 31 foot
S9. I would like to build one just to try it and see if it works better
than my radial field. I am not a good builder. I did get the radial
field I was working on down to an acceptable SWR level and with the
tuner it is not a problem. Like most hams , I like to try things and
since you and many others have a lot of success with the pet coils ,
thought I would try it. Sorry if I came off like I did. I will be more
detailed in the future.

John
KB4OIF
Proud Vietnam Vet
Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!
There would be no freedom without the military........
In God, we trust

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Lol....ah, now you're talking.  Well let's just say that they make the perfect
solution for portable operation!

73,

Ron - KJ5XX
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:30:12
To: <S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S9Antennas] Re: PVC lengths

Hey,Ron..with the addition of the Petlowany coils,doesn't the S9V antennas then
fall into the category of a portable antenna?.hi hi..Dennis W7KB.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ron@...>
To: S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:29:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [S9Antennas] Re: PVC lengths













Gee, being a little sensitive aren't we John?  I mean, you threw a question out
here called "Pvc lengths" without any context whatsoever about what the question
was related to, what the problem was, or what you were trying to accomplish.  To
be perfectly honest, I didn't know if you were trying to build radials or a new
type of chicken coop.



People on here are generally very friendly and always anxious to help, but
there's no need to go off with hurt feelings when all people are trying to do is
understand your question.



I generally try to make sure I clearly understand the problem before attempting
to offer advice.  But maybe that's just me.



73,



Ron - KJ5XX



--- In S9Antennas@yahoogroups.com, kb4oif@... wrote:


>


>


> 31 Foot.  Sorry I ask.


>


> John


> KB4OIF


> Proud Vietnam Vet


> Freedom is not free, someone paid!!!


> There would be no freedom without the military........


> In God, we trust


>


>


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