Indeed, sad news.  Thank you for passing it along.

--
Nathan Brown

I was sent this tonight...

> Barbara Ellen (Cook) Knoebel passed into the Lord's eternal peace Friday,
> November 27, 2009 at the age of 66. She died peacefully at her home at 206
> Knoebels Boulevard, Elysburg, with her family by her side.
>
> Born May 3rd, 1943 in Lykens, Pennsylvania, Barbara was the daughter of
> the
> late Charles and Elizabeth Cook. She was a 1961 graduate of Lykens High
> School and furthered her education at Polyclinic Hospital becoming a
> Licensed Practical Nurse.
>
> Barbara married Richard Knoebel on February 10th, 1968, a marriage that
> lasted until her death, a span of over 41 years. They are the parents of
> two
> sons, Richard A. and Brian L. Knoebel.
>
> Barbara was a member of Elysburg Presbyterian Church. She was an active
> member of Order of the Eastern Star having served as Worthy Matron of Iris
> Chapter #306, Shamokin. She held the statewide office of Grand Adah during
> 1984-85 and traveled throughout Pennsylvania in this capacity. She was
> also
> active in the Pennsylvania Amusement Parks Association and the
> International
> Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions. She served on several
> IAAPA
> committees, most notable the original Hall of Fame Committee.
>
> At Knoebels Amusement Resort, Barbara was an important member of the
> family
> business. She worked side by side with Dick serving as Manager of the park
> office and Group Sales Manager. In the latter capacity she assisted groups
> in planning outings and arranged catered meals for thousands of guests
> each
> season.
>
> In September Dick and Barbara traveled to California where Amusement
> Today,
> an industry publication, honored them with the Golden Ticket award as
> industry Persons of the Year for 2009.
>
> In addition to her husband and sons, she is survived by four
> granddaughters,
> Haley, Hannah, Abigail and Ashley. She is also survived by a brother,
> Walter
> Cook, of Gowen City, sister in law Ruth Cook, brother in law Ronald
> Knoebel
> and his family and sister in law Leanna Knoebel Muscato and her family.
>
> In addition to her parents, Barbara was preceded in death by brothers
> Charles "Boom" Cook and Donald Cook.
>
> Arrangements are under the direction of the Alan Horne Funeral Home.
> Visitation will be held at the Elysburg Presbyterian Church, Friday
> December
> 4th beginning at 5:00 pm and Saturday, December 5th beginning at 9:00 am.
> Services are scheduled for 11:00 am at the church.
>
> In lieu of flowers, the family requests that donations be made in Barbara's
> memory to Give Kids the World, Attn: Development, 210 S. Bass Road,
> Kissimmee, FL 34746.

The poll went live today, if you hadn't already seen, here's the link again:

http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm

...and since the Steel Poll is even more of a bear to fill out, here's the link
to Coaster Fanatics' steel poll helper:

http://www.coasterfanatics.com/sec_poll/default.asp?test=true

Chris

> I can also see why someone wouldn't like Wild Thing but I think is does
airtime well.

But where?  Aside from the 2nd hill, Wild Thing doesn't *have* airtime.

-Nate

--- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch <natekohlrusch@...>
wrote:
>
> > Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying except I
would go further and say
> > Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in post 31254. Voyage goes up
and down but Renegade
> > goes up, down, left and right.
>
> Which Voyage did you ride?  Aside from the first three or so hills,
> the lift, and the brake run I don't think there's a single section of
> straight track on that ride.  Almost every single hill is also tossing
> you to the side.  Renegade is a very solid ride - even stunningly good
> - but it's still no Voyage.
>
Okay you are technically correct, the Voyage has turns.  It is at its core an
"out and back" and has burned up lots of it energy on "air time" before it tries
for any thing lateral.  I am not going to say that the weaving back and forth on
the return is pointless as all out and backs have a "tame" return, but still
need to get back to the station.  The sprit of my comment is that if you are
looking for lateral elements then you are going to find better ones on Legend,
Renegade, etc.  The lateral elements on Voyage are not the engineering point of
the ride.


> > Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in the
states as well.
> > I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my time.
> > coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it?
>
> Oh, I have LOTS of thoughts about Wild Thing.  But my primary thought
> about the ride is that it is easily the most boring, and most
> forceless hypercoaster out there.  The first drop is decent and the
> second hill gives a nice, sustained float, but it's over after that.
> A long, boring, meandering turnaround. followed by extreme trimming
> and a few hills the train barely makes it over.  The only midwestern
> hypercoaster I like less is Magnum, because it's a rough pile of crap.
>
> I'm actually really confused about your praise for this ride, as I can
> think of at least a dozen steel coasters in the midwest that have
> better airtime.
>

Okay ask a silly question...
(For those who want to see my extended thoughts on Wild Thing! go here:
http://www.coasternaut.com/Wild_Thing/Dreadnauts_Review.html)

This is the ride that makes me understand "the point" of "steel" coasters that
emulate "wood" ones.  The airtime on the outbound hills kick it.  Now the return
on every out and back I have ever ridden is lame, but you pay that price for a
fast outbound trip.

I think there is an argument for an even pace being better then a fast one.  One
of the components of airtime is time.  If you have a high velocity over a hill
you will get a lower (magnitude of) acceleration but you will also get less of
it.  I am sure the engineer types spend time deciding which to do, go for
intensity and quickness or for a longer less intense float.

I happen to like a dramatic pause in a ride, I think it adds to the pacing (like
a high turn around on an out and back).  Rides that slam one through all the
elements are fine but they lack something a well paced ride has.  Speed is not
its own virtue.

I can also see why someone wouldn't like Wild Thing but I think is does airtime
well.

jjloj

--- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch <natekohlrusch@...>
wrote:
>
> > I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real. I'd
prefer to hear it from a person. :-)
>
> I think that's exactly the point.  Who cares what your phone says?  I
> judge by how much *I* enjoy a ride.  :)
>
> -Nate
>

Since I enjoy just about any roller coaster, that wouldn't make for very
interesting conversation.  Giving the coaster the American Band Stand response
("It has a great beat I can dance to it")  doesn't require any reflection and
doesn't help someone else know what is good or bad about the ride. The
accelerometer is just another tool for looking at the ride.  I use it but I
don't let it trump my view of what makes the coaster good.  I think to not use
tools like this is to cut yourself off from another piece of information.

jjloj

But what if I'm reading you opinions on my iPhone :head explodes:

On Thursday, November 19, 2009, Nate Kohlrusch <natekohlrusch@...> wrote:
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prefer to hear it from a person. :-)
>
> I think that's exactly the point.  Who cares what your phone says?  I
> judge by how much *I* enjoy a ride.  :)
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I did not think it was that excessively rough for a wood coaster.  I know
that it needed retracking but not a complete rebuild.  A co-worker that
lives in Allen Tx forwarded me a different article and that article seemed
to imply that only some portions of the ride were being totally
dismantled.  I got the impression from that article that some sections
were being refurbished and other sections being significantly reprofiled
to make it faster and smoother.

I was in Texas on a combined business trip and vacation in September and
spent at part of each of three days over one week (Sat/Sun/Fri) at the
park and believe I rode the Texas Giant at least half as many times as I
did the Titan.  Hopefully I can arrange another business trip down there
in 2011 to ride it after it reopens.

BTW, SFOT had a great deal on season passes for next season.  I was able
to buy my season pass with parking at SFOT for about 1/2 the price I would
have paid at my home park, SFGAm.
David Rounds


> That's a bit harsh... I wouldn't say dismantled... it's being upgraded
> undergoing a massive refurbishment that will keep it closed until the 2011
> season.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jay_ducharme" <jay_ducharme@...>
> To: <RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:30 PM
> Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant
>
>
> I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the
> iconic Texas Giant is being dismantled.
>
> <http://cbs11tv.com/local/Texas.Giant.Six.2.1284007.html>
>
> Jay
>
>
>

That's a bit harsh... I wouldn't say dismantled... it's being upgraded
undergoing a massive refurbishment that will keep it closed until the 2011
season.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jay_ducharme" <jay_ducharme@...>
To: <RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Goodbye Texas Giant


I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the
iconic Texas Giant is being dismantled.

<http://cbs11tv.com/local/Texas.Giant.Six.2.1284007.html>

Jay

I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the iconic
Texas Giant is being dismantled.

<http://cbs11tv.com/local/Texas.Giant.Six.2.1284007.html>

Jay

I just heard about this. Once considered the ultimate wood coaster, the iconic
Texas Giant is being dismantled.

<http://cbs11tv.com/local/Texas.Giant.Six.2.1284007.html>

Jay

> I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real. I'd prefer
to hear it from a person. :-)

I think that's exactly the point.  Who cares what your phone says?  I
judge by how much *I* enjoy a ride.  :)

-Nate

> just what his iPhone says and your results may vary.  I just got the Motorola
Droid phone, and while I haven't ridden any coaster with it yet, it is
telling me that number one airtime coaster in the world is the new Kosmos Curves
at Knoebels.<

I find it amusing that our phones are now telling us what is real.  I'd prefer
to hear it from a person.  :-)

Jay

Remember, that's just what his iPhone says and your results may vary.  I
just got the Motorola Droid phone, and while I haven't ridden any coaster
with it yet, it is telling me that number one airtime coaster in the world is
the new Kosmos Curves at Knoebels.  Also told me that Twisted Twins at SFKK hold
the record for tallest on the planet, and Hypersonic XLC holds the record for
most inversions, with 27.  I look forward to a much more enlightened summer of
riding next year.

Razzle dazzle bitches...

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>     Posted by:      "Nate Kohlrusch"
>       natekohlrusch@...
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>           coasterdude318
>       Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:20 pm        (PST)
>       > Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying
except I would go further and say
>> Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in post 31254. Voyage goes up
and down but Renegade
>> goes up, down, left and right.
> Which Voyage did you ride?  Aside from the first three or so hills,
> the lift, and the brake run I don't think there's a single section of
> straight track on that ride.  Almost every single hill is also tossing
> you to the side.  Renegade is a very solid ride - even stunningly good
> - but it's still no Voyage.
>> Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in the
states as well.
>> I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my time.
>> coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it?
> Oh, I have LOTS of thoughts about Wild Thing.  But my primary thought
> about the ride is that it is easily the most boring, and most
> forceless hypercoaster out there.  The first drop is decent and the
> second hill gives a nice, sustained float, but it's over after that.
> A long, boring, meandering turnaround. followed by extreme trimming
> and a few hills the train barely makes it over.  The only midwestern
> hypercoaster I like less is Magnum, because it's a rough pile of crap.
> I'm actually really confused about your praise for this ride, as I can
> think of at least a dozen steel coasters in the midwest that have
> better airtime.
> -Nate
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> Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying except I
would go further and say
> Renegade is better then Voyage. I covered this in post 31254. Voyage goes up
and down but Renegade
> goes up, down, left and right.

Which Voyage did you ride?  Aside from the first three or so hills,
the lift, and the brake run I don't think there's a single section of
straight track on that ride.  Almost every single hill is also tossing
you to the side.  Renegade is a very solid ride - even stunningly good
- but it's still no Voyage.

> Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in the
states as well.
> I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my time.
> coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it?

Oh, I have LOTS of thoughts about Wild Thing.  But my primary thought
about the ride is that it is easily the most boring, and most
forceless hypercoaster out there.  The first drop is decent and the
second hill gives a nice, sustained float, but it's over after that.
A long, boring, meandering turnaround. followed by extreme trimming
and a few hills the train barely makes it over.  The only midwestern
hypercoaster I like less is Magnum, because it's a rough pile of crap.

I'm actually really confused about your praise for this ride, as I can
think of at least a dozen steel coasters in the midwest that have
better airtime.

-Nate

Totally agre with Mike. That's a great suggestion, Jon.

I also agree that, typed out in the way that you have, it does make you come off
as snooty or jerkish. I have no clue if that's what you intend, or if it's
totally unintended, though. This is a huge drawback of internet interaction.

I'm going to choose to interpret it as unintended.

Chris

--- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jjloj@...> wrote:
>
> I have visited and poll and found it didn't hit me in the "sweet spot" of
interest capture.  As such I would like to ask what you see as the goal / use /
interest of the poll is?
>
> It seems to me "the point" of the poll is to have every coaster ranked by
every person who road it.  If I have concluded correctly, then only suggestion I
could make is to break the list up in to regional groupings.  Then compare the
top rides from each group. Document the groupings well and let people who get to
travel, "work" more then one grouping.
>
> This would also allow for regional "winners" making for more interesting
reading for folk who can't get to exotic locals to ride the "number one ride."
>
>
> It would mean running the data more times with fewer data points.
>
> Does that help?
>
> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" <munkye1972@> wrote:
> >
> > So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big?
> >
> > Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as there
was only a small amount missing.
> >
> > The question at hand is this:
> >
> > The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is too
difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys think it
should be pared back some?
> >
> > Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there's
been a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some feedback
from you guys if you could.
> >
> > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make it
easier for you?
> >
> > Should the list of coasters be scaled back?
> >
> > Any other input?
> >
> > Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we can
not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do. Remove
some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more production models?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any ideas you have.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>

This actually sounds like a great suggestion.  Ranking coasters in regions,
while still allowing overall rankings, would improve the simplicity for poll
takers and poll readers a like.

What I see as the main point of the poll is to guide enthusiasts as to what
rides they should attempt to ride ahead of others.  This is useful for
people who will not have a full day at a park, and want to make sure they
ride the best rides there.  Or for people traveling to an area with only
enough time to attend one park, and want to make sure they go to the one
with the best overall ride collection.

For poll takers, selecting what regions they wish to provide rankings within
may cut down on the overwhelming size of the poll as a whole.  I know this
has stopped me from participating on years when I have more stuff going on
and can't dedicate the time.

But seriously, what's with all of the implied quotations?  Are you that
unsure of your words, or in a perpetual state of mocking those who use the
terms?  Add emphasis to your sentences with proper phrasing and
punctuation.

-MikeSka
It's great getting government holidays off.  I got so much done around the
house today.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Jon <jjloj@...> wrote:

>
>
> I have visited and poll and found it didn't hit me in the "sweet spot" of
> interest capture. As such I would like to ask what you see as the goal / use
> / interest of the poll is?
>
> It seems to me "the point" of the poll is to have every coaster ranked by
> every person who road it. If I have concluded correctly, then only
> suggestion I could make is to break the list up in to regional groupings.
> Then compare the top rides from each group. Document the groupings well and
> let people who get to travel, "work" more then one grouping.
>
> This would also allow for regional "winners" making for more interesting
> reading for folk who can't get to exotic locals to ride the "number one
> ride."
>
> It would mean running the data more times with fewer data points.
>
> Does that help?
>
>
> --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com<RollerCoasterTalk%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "munkye1972" <munkye1972@...> wrote:
> >
> > So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big?
> >
> > Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as
> there was only a small amount missing.
> >
> > The question at hand is this:
> >
> > The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is
> too difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys
> think it should be pared back some?
> >
> > Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there's
> been a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some
> feedback from you guys if you could.
> >
> > Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make it
> easier for you?
> >
> > Should the list of coasters be scaled back?
> >
> > Any other input?
> >
> > Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we
> can not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do.
> Remove some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more production
> models?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any ideas you have.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have visited and poll and found it didn't hit me in the "sweet spot" of
interest capture.  As such I would like to ask what you see as the goal / use /
interest of the poll is?

It seems to me "the point" of the poll is to have every coaster ranked by every
person who road it.  If I have concluded correctly, then only suggestion I could
make is to break the list up in to regional groupings.  Then compare the top
rides from each group. Document the groupings well and let people who get to
travel, "work" more then one grouping.

This would also allow for regional "winners" making for more interesting reading
for folk who can't get to exotic locals to ride the "number one ride."


It would mean running the data more times with fewer data points.

Does that help?

--- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "munkye1972" <munkye1972@...> wrote:
>
> So, is Mitch's Coaster Poll getting too big?
>
> Last year, we added all of the wood coasters worldwide to the poll, as there
was only a small amount missing.
>
> The question at hand is this:
>
> The Steel Poll has gotten HUGE over the years, and some feel that it is too
difficult to complete in an honest, meaningful fashion. Do you guys think it
should be pared back some?
>
> Mitch has taken some of my suggestions the past couple years, and there's been
a LOT of input from enthusiasts worldwide. I'd like to get some feedback from
you guys if you could.
>
> Did splitting the ballot itself from all of the instructions etc make it
easier for you?
>
> Should the list of coasters be scaled back?
>
> Any other input?
>
> Mitch's logarithmic program is just about maxed out, so we know that we can
not make it much bigger so there is a real need to decide what to do. Remove
some of the long suffering bottom-dwellers? Combine more production models?
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas you have.
>
> Chris
>

Well I agree with the basic things that coasterdude318 is saying except I would
go further and say Renegade is better then Voyage.  I covered this in post
31254.  Voyage goes up and down but Renegade goes up, down, left and right.  It
is slower but the quality of the acceleration is better.  Renegade is very solid
ride and if I had data to do review of it, it would get 2 hour wait review.  If
you get to the Minneapolis area GO!

Wild Thing at ValleyFair! may be the best air time "steel" coaster in the states
as well.  I can't think of one I like better in the midwest where I spend my
time. coasterdude318 do you have an opinion about it?

--- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Nate Kohlrusch <natekohlrusch@...>
wrote:
>
> > > Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters
being forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. <
> >
> > Wow! Coming from you, that's saying a lot!
>
> I'm not really sure how to take that! :)
>
> In all seriousness, Renegade really is that good.  It reminded me a
> lot of a mini-Voyage, actually.  Yeah, I know Renegade is a twister
> and Voyage is essentially an out and back, but the way Renegade tears
> through the track with lots of positive G's in the turns and some huge
> pops of air seemed distinctly Voyage-like.  There are GCI rides I've
> enjoyed prior to this (I like Kentucky Rumbler and I really like
> Thunderhead), but in general I find them to be a bit tame and slow.
> Renegade was the exact opposite.
>
> -Nate
>

> > Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters being
forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. <
>
> Wow! Coming from you, that's saying a lot!

I'm not really sure how to take that! :)

In all seriousness, Renegade really is that good.  It reminded me a
lot of a mini-Voyage, actually.  Yeah, I know Renegade is a twister
and Voyage is essentially an out and back, but the way Renegade tears
through the track with lots of positive G's in the turns and some huge
pops of air seemed distinctly Voyage-like.  There are GCI rides I've
enjoyed prior to this (I like Kentucky Rumbler and I really like
Thunderhead), but in general I find them to be a bit tame and slow.
Renegade was the exact opposite.

-Nate

> Seriously, I take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters being
forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away. <

Wow!  Coming from you, that's saying a lot!

Jay

This is a game that just appeared for the iPhone and iPod Touch.  Similar to
Rollercoaster Tycoon, you build a freak show empire:

<http://toucharcade.com/2009/11/06/karnival-tycoon-style-gameplay-with-freaks-an\
d-sideshows/>

Jay

For those who don't know, we relocated to Minneapolis about a month
ago.  And since we had nothing else going on and hadn't been to a park
in awhile, we decided to check out Valleyfair on Sunday night.  This
was the last night of the season for the park, and also the last night
of their Halloween Haunt.  I hadn't been to the park in a few years,
so it was nice to get back and see what Cedar Fair has done to the
place.

First, there are certainly a lot fewer trees, which was disappointing
but expected.  The Haunt was decent, but not exceptional.  There
weren't a ton of decorations around the park, but there were seven
major haunted attractions/areas.  They were very hit or miss.  Some
were great, and some were really weak.  A few seemed really
understaffed.

The park is still a strong contender for Trim Brake Capitaql of the
World, which has gotten even worse over the years.  Disappointing, to
say the least.

But all that said, Renegade is fantastic!  I was actually disappointed
when they announced Renegade a couple of years back, as I felt they
could have used a larger steel looping coaster (ie B&M inverted
coaster).  I still think a B&M inverted coaster would be the next best
addition, but I wouldn't trade Renegade for anything.  Seriously, I
take back every bad thing I ever said about GCI coasters being
forceless and boring, because Renegade just blew me away.  Now I'm
really itching to get to Kansas City to give Prowler a try.  It's been
a really long time since I've been that surprised by a ride, and I'm
glad it happens to be at my new home park!

I guess that's about it for my random thoughts for the day.  Anyone else? :)

-Nate

Okay,
I dont have a guide, but here are a few of my thoughts:
WDW (I assume you mean Magic Kingdom)
Sit Down: 
Tony's Town Square - Lady and the Tramp themed Italian food.
Liberty Tree Tavern - Colonial themed Mostly American fare.
 
Quick Grab:
Pinocchio Village Haus - Sandwiches mostly
(dont recall eating anywhere else)
 
Epcot
Sit Down:
Les Chefs de France (Family) / Bistro de Paris (Romantic) - French food, not
much difference in quality b/w the two though slightly different menu/ambiance. 
Bistro is also a good place to watch the fireworks if you can get a window seat
San Angel Inn - Mexican food, has the best ambiance IMO as the indoor celing is
themed to a starry night.
 
Quick Grab:
The Land Sunshine Season Food Fair - American, sandwiches and veggie dishes seem
to rule the day
(didnt eat other QG)
 
Studios
Sit Down:
Brown Derby - American, get the Cobb Salad! But be ready to share as the thing
is freaking huge.
Prime Time Cafe - American.  The food here was likely the most middling, but it
was kinda
cool siting in basically a 50's "Leave it to Beaver" dinner table atmosphere.
 
Quick Grab
(didnt eat QG)
 
Animal Kingdom
Sit Down:
(there were no sit downs when I last went)
 
Quick Grab:
Flame Tree Barbeque - Mostly Kansas City / Memphis style BBQ.  Slathered in
thick tomato based sauce.  If you like North Carolina vinegar based sauce,
you'll be disappointed.
(cant recommend any others)
 
Mostly, when we went to WDW, we went to sit downs.  Often, we'd leave what ever
park we were in to eat either @ Epcot (like Tutto Italia Risorante and
Restaurant Marrakesh), or at one of the resort restaurants like Jiko, Victoria &
Albert's (pricey!), and 'Ohana (where everyone calls you "Cousin")
 
And unlike Lance, I've always found the food to be above average.  Even my wife
who is a dedicated foodie was pleased with the quality of the vast majority of 
the options.  And I must stress that the in-park portions all tended to be big
enough to share so you might be able to cut costs a bit.
 
Enjoy!
lata, jeremy

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Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and Food
To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:15 AM


 



I am looking for 2 good sit-down and 2 good quick places to eat at each of
the 4 properties I mentioned. I have a good family friend going, but don't
know the food options well enough to give him but a few thoughts. If Josh
or anyone else wants to chime in knowing this it would be great.

Adam

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I am looking for 2 good sit-down and 2 good quick places to eat at each of
the 4 properties I mentioned.  I have a good family friend going, but don't
know the food options well enough to give him but a few thoughts.  If Josh
or anyone else wants to chime in knowing this it would be great.

Adam


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:-D Unfortunately, I'm off to work right now - but I'll offer my .02 a
little bit later. Or, you can email me off-list and I'll offer you some
advice. As a foodie and a Disney-freak, I won't steer you wrong.

Josh



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Nate Kohlrusch <natekohlrusch@...>wrote:

>
>
> > I know this sounds like a typical enthusiast question, but does anyone
> know
> > a food guide or have recommendations for eating in WDW, Epcot, Studios,
> or
> > Animal Kingdom?
>
> If Josh doesn't reply, I would suggest contacting him off-list. He's
> always talking about it. :)
>
> -Nate
>
>


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>>I think George is probably right: You can't really go wrong at WDW when
>>dining. Unless of course, you limit yourself to burgers & fries.


Got to disagree... typically I've never been fond of theme park food at WDW
or virtually anywhere.
The burgers and Fries are typically awful in general at just about every
park I've ever visited...
As far as WDW goes... I never found anything above typical park level
garbage food at the Magic Kingdom or Animal Kingdom,
but Yak & Yeti wasn't there yet at AK before I moved away, so that may be
worth checking out.

Some people swear by The Cellar at Epcot (Canada Pavilion) as a good
Steakhouse, though I think the food I enjoyed
the most was either in Mexico (which had good or bad eras... I haven't tried
it lately) and I did enjoy 9 Dragon's at China every time
I are there.  For some "fun" times with some so-so food, we used to try the
restauant in the Germany section... but the name escapes me,
but you've got to get one of the BIG beers when you eat there. ;-)

Studios has some better eateries I've tried, but was never anything I went
back over and over for.
I've heard good things about the Brown Derby, but only tried it once.  Prime
Time Cafe was also
a hoot, mixing a fun environment with slightly better than average food.


Thinking back... only two theme park related eateries were always on my must
do list when visiting
their parks... both in California.  Blue Bayou at Disneyland and Mrs.
Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant
at Knott's Berry Farm...

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>
> The barbecue place at Animal Kingdom is awesome. Epcot, I recommend the
> food court. Very healthy food there. Magic Kingdom, go for Fish N Chips in
> Libertyland. Hollywood Studios, I've not had anything I like there!  lol
>
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>

I liked the Cuban sandwich at the ABC Comissary at the Studios. I don't remember
what Mayumi had, but it was pretty good, too.

We did the Japanese Pavillion when we went to EPCOT. (Shocking, I know.) It was
quite good.

I think George is probably right: You can't really go wrong at WDW when dining.
Unless of course, you limit yourself to burgers & fries.

Chris

Adam Sandy wrote:
>
>
> I know this sounds like a typical enthusiast question, but does anyone know
> a food guide or have recommendations for eating in WDW, Epcot, Studios, or
> Animal Kingdom?

What would you like to know?  There's so many choices and so many types
that it's hard to give out advice without knowing a bit more.

If you're looking at buffet or table service, then be sure to make
reservations ahead of time.  Trying to get a table walking in is near
impossible.  Reservations are done through calling 407-WDW-DINE.

If you have other questions, feel free to ask away.  About the only
other thing I cay off hand is to forget about Rainforest Cafe or Planet
Hollywood.  Overpriced and not that good.  They actually cost more than
most of the Disney restaurants and the food quality isn't as good.
Otherwise it's pretty hard to go wrong at Disney.

keep on ridin'
George

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