Good morning,
George Washington's Army and Me (on sale now at amazon $7.99) is a picture book
about families that marched with the army, told through the eyes of a nine-year
old boy. Based on letters and diaries from the period. The 6th PA Regiment posed
for the illustrations.Preview the art at www.michaeldooling.com

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While I would not venture to speak for Greg Theberge, or others, I think the
crux of the matter is avalibilty of unquestionably more authentic items vs.
avalibility of items with questionable and/or outright incorrect items at
roughly the same cost.

It's true that some steel wool or scotch pad can dull the finish on a stainless
canteen, but with the newer avalibilty of authentic hot dipped tin (and as
affordable)may in some eyes make buying the steel one anathema.

I do see the justification where some items such as a rifle shoppe musket, or
Kochan-Phillips clothing might be cost prohibitive to many, and in some ways
might lead to further decline among the numbers seen in the hobby. That
particular branch of thinking isn't really relevant in my point, but worth
noting.

What is scary is when reenactors choose to purchase something known to be
inauthentic, often at greater price, than a more authentic piece.

I am wondering what roles parent and unit organizations can have in changing
known "farb" practices. We've had discussion in our own unit with research
showing that one of our original units carried a certain item that many of us
don't have. Did the leadership ban the alternative? no but with the research in
mind we're making a transistion that'll take time as people improve.

Andrew Kirk
43d Regt of Foot & 2d Pennsylvania Regt.


Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "barontigranes" <tigranes@...> wrote:
>
> Good day,
>
> There are as many motivations for what we all do as there are participants in
this hobby/activity, and it doesn't necessarily cheapen our heritage if some do
not share the same motivations, or aspire to the same levels of achievement.
>
> If you really want to think about how the whole reenacting phemonmenon would
be perceived by those who lived the period, my personal feeling is that they
would consider the whole enterprise laughable at best, and insulting at worst,
no matter how authentic it is done.  My late brother-in-law, a Navy WWII vet,
was highly offended by the attempts to reenact that time.  And these are
reenactors who frequently have original period equipment, not reproduction.
>
> So to me it seems a little silly to get so heated over a subject like tin vs
stainless canteens.   Now, don't go hyperbolic and start talking about plastic,
etc.  The topic could have been much more productive if the virtues of good tin
were listed, ways to improve the appearance of SS, and leave it at that.  There
are many items that could substituted for tin vs. stainless and result in the
same discussion.  It is not always reasonable to point out that something is
inappropriate and expect everyone to just toe the line.  Again, different
motivations.
>
> It just seemed like a major pile-on on a person who just thought he was trying
to pass along a bargain.  Lesson learned:  try to be helpful, get you head
handed to you.
>
> Yours,
>
> Tim Button
>
>
> --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, TONY HOLBROOK <tituscanbyratcatcher@> wrote:
> >
> > Good one Greg. I too am astounded at how our heritage is cheapened by
someone trying to save a couple bucks. Those men and women that sacrificed their
lives deserve better. When our knowledge is enlightened to a fact in history we
should make every effort to portray it to the fullest extent.
>

Units should play a primary role. Units can educate members, provide information
about proper items and sources for those items, can assist in how/how not to
make items, support bulk purchases, and so on.

Cheers
John

There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness.


On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:05 AM, "Andrew Watson Kirk" <awkirk243@...> wrote:

> While I would not venture to speak for Greg Theberge, or others, I think the
crux of the matter is avalibilty of unquestionably more authentic items vs.
avalibility of items with questionable and/or outright incorrect items at
roughly the same cost.
>
> It's true that some steel wool or scotch pad can dull the finish on a
stainless canteen, but with the newer avalibilty of authentic hot dipped tin
(and as affordable)may in some eyes make buying the steel one anathema.
>
> I do see the justification where some items such as a rifle shoppe musket, or
Kochan-Phillips clothing might be cost prohibitive to many, and in some ways
might lead to further decline among the numbers seen in the hobby. That
particular branch of thinking isn't really relevant in my point, but worth
noting.
>
> What is scary is when reenactors choose to purchase something known to be
inauthentic, often at greater price, than a more authentic piece.
>
> I am wondering what roles parent and unit organizations can have in changing
known "farb" practices. We've had discussion in our own unit with research
showing that one of our original units carried a certain item that many of us
don't have. Did the leadership ban the alternative? no but with the research in
mind we're making a transistion that'll take time as people improve.
>
> Andrew Kirk
> 43d Regt of Foot & 2d Pennsylvania Regt.
>
> Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "barontigranes" <tigranes@...> wrote:
> >
> > Good day,
> >
> > There are as many motivations for what we all do as there are participants
in this hobby/activity, and it doesn't necessarily cheapen our heritage if some
do not share the same motivations, or aspire to the same levels of achievement.
> >
> > If you really want to think about how the whole reenacting phemonmenon would
be perceived by those who lived the period, my personal feeling is that they
would consider the whole enterprise laughable at best, and insulting at worst,
no matter how authentic it is done. My late brother-in-law, a Navy WWII vet, was
highly offended by the attempts to reenact that time. And these are reenactors
who frequently have original period equipment, not reproduction.
> >
> > So to me it seems a little silly to get so heated over a subject like tin vs
stainless canteens. Now, don't go hyperbolic and start talking about plastic,
etc. The topic could have been much more productive if the virtues of good tin
were listed, ways to improve the appearance of SS, and leave it at that. There
are many items that could substituted for tin vs. stainless and result in the
same discussion. It is not always reasonable to point out that something is
inappropriate and expect everyone to just toe the line. Again, different
motivations.
> >
> > It just seemed like a major pile-on on a person who just thought he was
trying to pass along a bargain. Lesson learned: try to be helpful, get you head
handed to you.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Tim Button
> >
> >
> > --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, TONY HOLBROOK <tituscanbyratcatcher@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good one Greg. I too am astounded at how our heritage is cheapened by
someone trying to save a couple bucks. Those men and women that sacrificed their
lives deserve better. When our knowledge is enlightened to a fact in history we
should make every effort to portray it to the fullest extent.
> >
>
>


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There are indeed many motivations for participating in this hobby and
unfortunately, authenticity does not always appear to be at the top of the
priorities list. While the original poster may have had good intentions in
passing along a good deal to friends, there is a broader picture that is getting
obscured if we focus on saving a few bucks. Like it or not, when we choose to
wear period clothing in public we lead by example. The question is in which
direction; toward one that does justice to our heritage, people and time period
or toward comedy. The choice is always ours to make and I am reminded of this
every time I see someone wearing tinted lenses in the field. Some habits will
always make us look bad and act as a disincentive to those who participate. We
(and myself included) can do better in our own impressions that we demonstrate
in the public eye and self-awareness is the key. It is definitely in our best
interest to inspire rather than flame and to avoid characterizing awareness of
these issues as silly. As a result of this thread, several links to sources for
authentic hot-dipped tin have been posted and the questionable nature of
wool-wrapped canteens has been made known(news to me)--those are certainly some
good things to come out of all of this. The message is valid, we just need to
tweak the delivery for the sake of family.
Respectfully,
Gary O'Brien
1VA Rgt.


--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "barontigranes" <tigranes@...> wrote:
>
> Good day,
>
> There are as many motivations for what we all do as there are participants in
this hobby/activity, and it doesn't necessarily cheapen our heritage if some do
not share the same motivations, or aspire to the same levels of achievement.
>
> If you really want to think about how the whole reenacting phemonmenon would
be perceived by those who lived the period, my personal feeling is that they
would consider the whole enterprise laughable at best, and insulting at worst,
no matter how authentic it is done.  My late brother-in-law, a Navy WWII vet,
was highly offended by the attempts to reenact that time.  And these are
reenactors who frequently have original period equipment, not reproduction.
>
> So to me it seems a little silly to get so heated over a subject like tin vs
stainless canteens.   Now, don't go hyperbolic and start talking about plastic,
etc.  The topic could have been much more productive if the virtues of good tin
were listed, ways to improve the appearance of SS, and leave it at that.  There
are many items that could substituted for tin vs. stainless and result in the
same discussion.  It is not always reasonable to point out that something is
inappropriate and expect everyone to just toe the line.  Again, different
motivations.
>
> It just seemed like a major pile-on on a person who just thought he was trying
to pass along a bargain.  Lesson learned:  try to be helpful, get you head
handed to you.
>
> Yours,
>
> Tim Button
>
>
> --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, TONY HOLBROOK <tituscanbyratcatcher@> wrote:
> >
> > Good one Greg. I too am astounded at how our heritage is cheapened by
someone trying to save a couple bucks. Those men and women that sacrificed their
lives deserve better. When our knowledge is enlightened to a fact in history we
should make every effort to portray it to the fullest extent.
>

During the Battle of Brandywine, after Sullivan was ordered to link up with
Stirling and Stephen and assume overall command, he marched upstream along the
Brandywine and met Colonel Hazen coming south from the northern fords. They then
turned east along Street Road and shortly thereafter spotted Ewald's advance
guard 40 rods (220 yards) ahead. Sullivan then turned off to the right and
shortly thereafter spotted the other 2 divisions upon an eminence to the rear
and the right.

Sullivan's account:
  "I began my march in a few minutes after I received my orders, and had not
marched a mile when I met Colonel Hazen and his regiment, which had been
stationed at a ford three miles above, who informed me that the enemy were close
upon his heels, ...  While I was conversing with Colonel Hazen, and our troops
still upon the march, the enemy headed us in the road about forty rods from our
advanced guard. I then found it necessary to turn off to the right to form, and
so got nearer to the other two divisions, which I at that moment discovered
drawn up on an eminence, both in the rear and to the right of the place I then
was at."

Does anyone care to venture where the exact spot Sullivan was at when he spotted
the other divisions? Coordinates would be nice.

Ralph

William,
   Chiming in a bit late here but this is my best guess.  It was not common
during the era of tin canteens because although wool is a great insulator, it
also hold dampness, thus promotiong faster deterioration or rusting of the
canteen body.  The WWII canteens, primarily the British P-38 syles were covered
in wool yes, but they were enameled on the outside and not liable to rust.
Cheers,
Bob Bolton
Pa. Associators

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <modmoradi@...> wrote:
>
> That is interesting that it wasn't common... Wool is actually a great
insulator for canteens, and I believe was used through WWII (At least with the
British).  Thank you for confirming that it was done on some level, if not as a
standardized practice.
> Cheers~
> William
>
> --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@> wrote:
> >
> > Except that as I understand it, wrapping tin canteens in wool was not a
common practice. If I remember correctly, there is one reference to it (Wolfe?)
and I've never seen a to of orderly books state "The men are to wrap their
canteens with wool..." to show that it was a pattern.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Todd
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:22 PM, John Navarro <jlnjake@> wrote:
> >
> > > Cover your ss canteen with fabric
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Feb 28, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "William" <modmoradi@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Very true! I wasn't aware of that tinsmith... Excellent prices on those
too! I realize that tin with pitch is actually period, but I'm sure there are
people (like me) who would prefer a cleaner alternative to drink from. If you
spot my stainless canteen on the field, you are free to mock my farbiness..!
> > >> Cheers!
> > >> William
> > >>
> > >> --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Except that stainless steel is inappropriate. Get a hot-dipped tin
canteen if you need to from Carl Giorando.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Todd
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:25 PM, "William" <modmoradi@> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Greetings~
> > >>>> I saw a listing on ebay for stainless steel kidney canteens for $40
shipped... (I think Godwin's are $62+shipping). They have 7 on hand, and can
order more. I'm not affiliated with the seller in any way, just thought I'd pass
on a good deal!
> > >>>> Here's the auction:
> > >>>>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320857402106?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m142\
3.l2649
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> William
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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>

Gene,
   So why open yourself up for anything?  Since you brought it up...copper?  What
about these things too while we're at it?  I have not seen anything on period
correctness for copper canteens (admittadly not being an expert on EVERY aspect
of the period).
Cheers,
Bob Bolton
Pa. Associators





--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Gene Bono <gbuscg@...> wrote:
>
> Oh My...should I say it? I have a stainless steel canteen,in fact two.One is
wrapped in wool and the other is inside a dummy copper canteen I put
together,with the spout big enough to put small tubular ice cubes in. Those who
are frothing at the mouth about my "fopau"(spelling?) may address thier
derogatory remarks to me personally at gbuscg@... Hey let's talk a about
footwear,that's another fun topic....in particular military boots!
>  
> Gene
>
> From: William <modmoradi@...>
> To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:16 PM
> Subject: [Revlist] Re: Great Deal on Stainless Steel Canteens
>
>
>  
> Thank you Bob, well said, and noted. I appreciate it when people take the time
to explain things! I never claimed it to be dirty, I was just questioning the
metallurgy involved, as modern metals while they may be primarily tin, can
contain mercury and lead, depending on the manufacturer. I would never promote
farbiness, that was meant as a bit of a joke. I did like John's idea of a fabric
cover, although I'd have to research is that was done... At least it may be an
alternative for people that do prefer stainless (Let's be honest, some people
do). If there is anyone who wishes to berate me, please send me a private email
to modmoradi@... There's no class in doing it publicly.
> Cheers my Friends~
> William
>
> --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "ebolton123" <ebolton123@> wrote:
> >
> > William,
> > I know I can spot them...they are so bright they reflect sunlight like a
spotlight. I shame any sutlers selling those things. Plastic is even
cleaner...hell...lets throw accuracy totally out the window and lets all carry
plastic ones sprayed tin color!
> > Honestly there is nothing "dirty" about the tin canteens lined with pitch or
beeswax. And if taken care of will last 10 years. I have had mine for 15 and not
one taste of rust.
> > I appreciate your post was a friendly heads up to your fellow reenactors,
but I just don't think we should be promoting "farbiness"...it's what I thought
we were trying so hard to get away from since 1976!
> > Cheers,
> > Bob Bolton
> > Pa. Associators
> >
> >
> > --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <modmoradi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very true! I wasn't aware of that tinsmith... Excellent prices on those
too! I realize that tin with pitch is actually period, but I'm sure there are
people (like me) who would prefer a cleaner alternative to drink from. If you
spot my stainless canteen on the field, you are free to mock my farbiness..!
> > > Cheers!
> > > William
> > >
> > > --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Except that stainless steel is inappropriate. Get a hot-dipped tin
canteen if you need to from Carl Giorando.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:25 PM, "William" <modmoradi@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Greetings~
> > > > > I saw a listing on ebay for stainless steel kidney canteens for $40
shipped... (I think Godwin's are $62+shipping). They have 7 on hand, and can
order more. I'm not affiliated with the seller in any way, just thought I'd pass
on a good deal!
> > > > > Here's the auction:
> > > > >
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320857402106?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m142\
3.l2649
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Todd,
   But we all use those fabulous flashguards!  No worries of melting, right? ;)
Cheers,
Bob Bolton
Pa. Associators




--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@...> wrote:
>
> William,
>
> It's definitely possible to get 100% wool. The Kochan-Phillips wool has been
on the streets for at least 10 years.
>
> Besides authenticity, there are are plenty of reasons to use 100%. It drapes
correctly, it is more durable, and in a way it is safer given we're around fires
and sparks a lot (wool smolders, polyester melts).
>
> Cheers,
> Todd
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "William" <modmoradi@...> wrote:
>
> > Most of the wool we use contains 10-20% Rayon for stability.
>

Paul,
   And with every 10 Stainless Steel canteens you get a free lantern stand and
iron fire spit set!
OMG...I have to start padding the wall by my computer.  Banging my head is
beginning to hurt! ;)
Cheers,
Bob Bolton
Pa. Associators



--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, paul rich <paulschainmaille@...> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested I do business with the importer and can get these for
$32 shipped to you.  I will need about 10 people that want one to place the
order but that is no problem.  If you are interested email me back and I can
start the process to get these for you then bill you through my PayPal
account.  I am also on eBay as ComfyNite.  You can email me via this email or
Paul@... ore through eBay.
>
>
> at your service
> Paul
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: William <modmoradi@...>
> To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:25 PM
> Subject: [Revlist] Great Deal on Stainless Steel Canteens
>
>
>  
> Greetings~
> I saw a listing on ebay for stainless steel kidney canteens for $40 shipped...
(I think Godwin's are $62+shipping).  They have 7 on hand, and can order more. 
I'm not affiliated with the seller in any way, just thought I'd pass on a good
deal!
> Here's the auction:
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320857402106?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m142\
3.l2649
> Cheers,
> William
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Bob,

You are killing me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!but I do love it so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jack


________________________________
  From: ebolton123 <ebolton123@...>
To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: [Revlist] Re: Great Deal on Stainless Steel Canteens


 
Paul,
And with every 10 Stainless Steel canteens you get a free lantern stand and iron
fire spit set!
OMG...I have to start padding the wall by my computer.  Banging my head is
beginning to hurt! ;)
Cheers,
Bob Bolton
Pa. Associators

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, paul rich <paulschainmaille@...> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested I do business with the importer and can get these for
$32 shipped to you.  I will need about 10 people that want one to place the
order but that is no problem.  If you are interested email me back and I can
start the process to get these for you then bill you through my PayPal
account.  I am also on eBay as ComfyNite.  You can email me via this email
or Paul@... ore through eBay.
>
>
> at your service
> Paul
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: William <modmoradi@...>
> To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:25 PM
> Subject: [Revlist] Great Deal on Stainless Steel Canteens
>
>
>  
> Greetings~
> I saw a listing on ebay for stainless steel kidney canteens for $40 shipped...
(I think Godwin's are $62+shipping).  They have 7 on hand, and can order more. 
I'm not affiliated with the seller in any way, just thought I'd pass on a good
deal!
> Here's the auction:
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320857402106?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m142\
3.l2649
> Cheers,
> William
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Hey, let's go easy on the copper and stainless steel.
Some time ago, I made one of the familiar copper cocked hats, and it came out
quite well - it holds its shape beautifully in any weather. No wonder they were
so popular.
Because that came out so well, I went all out and made an entire copper uniform
- breeches, waistcoat, real nice boots and of course a full regimental coat.
Given how common these were, I'm surprised they're not more widely represented
in the hobby. The important thing is to use the right gage of copper so things
aren't too stiff.
How do I know these were common? Just look around. Almost every statue of
Washington, Lafayette, and every other prominant figure of the war features one
of these grand copper outfits. They all posed for the artists in their finest
copper garb.
I know what you're going to say: these guys were officers, and senior officers
at that. Not every soldier owned a copper uniform. I know that. But some
certainly did. Lexington even has a statue of a militia man in civilian copper
clothing.
I haven't looked into stainless stell, but I'm sure there are some examples out
there.
Don N. Hagist
http://revolutionaryimprints.com
http://redcoat76.blogspot.com

In a message dated 3/2/2012 9:37:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dhagist@... writes:

Because  that came out so well, I went all out and made an entire copper
uniform -  breeches, waistcoat, real nice boots and of course a full
regimental  coat.

Don

     I hope you were nicer than the tinner and gave  yourself a heart, so
you don't have to visit the all powerful Wizard of  Id.

     You research helps explain some original  documentation I have been
looking through.
         -Hedley Lamarr, 23rd  Smuckers Fusilers:  "...We would deliberately
direct our march toward the  enemy's Hay-pennie [sic] regiments, as they
gleamed in the sun, knowing such  regiments were newly formed and
inexperienced. As the war progressed we found  much greater resistance and
obstinacy
from their more seasoned troops, generally  given the approbation of Slimey
Green Backs!"

John Mills
Mott's Artillery

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Gentlemen,

The Quartermaster General is in need of two men to help set up Wednesday
afternoon, April 25th, and to help tear down Sunday afternoon, April 29th, at
the Fort Frederick Market Fair in Big Pool, MD.  Set up and tear down take about
two hours each.  After tear down we will pay $25 per hour for your time.

If you are willing and able, or know someone who is, please call us at
440-213-5899 or email cptselander@....

                  Thank you!

I personally find it unfortunate the members of RevList feel the need to use it
as an outlet for their issues and personal rage rather than:
Sharing research
Announcing events
Making inquiries
Passing on information about resources
Recruiting new members
I hope this changes in the near future.  I for one find it less and less
compelling as an on-line resource related to the Revolutionary War era.
Cheers,
George F. Franks, III

When I first joined the hobby, I was encouraged erroneously to purchase a
stainless steel canteen. I now carry a tin canteen but still have the stainless,
left safely at home during events. I can tell you that even ten years later, no
amount of use in the field or application of steel wool will make a stainless
steel canteen look like anything other than what it is.

I also highly doubt that a few weekends out of the year spent drinking from a
tin canteen is going to put anyone at risk for lead poisoning.

Blair Pershyn
40th Regt., Light Coy

Well said!


----- Original Message -----
From: "gffranks3" [franksconsultinggroup@...]
Sent: 03/02/2012 05:29 PM GMT
To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Revlist] RevList: Canteens, Beards et al.



I personally find it unfortunate the members of RevList feel the need to use it
as an outlet for their issues and personal rage rather than:
Sharing research
Announcing events
Making inquiries
Passing on information about resources
Recruiting new members
I hope this changes in the near future.  I for one find it less and less
compelling as an on-line resource related to the Revolutionary War era.
Cheers,
George F. Franks, III




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George,

While Greg may have gone a little off the deep end, you cannot challenge the
fact that he is how prolific in sharing research he is. He was the one who
brought together the tent research that several of us contributed to and has
posted numerous documents on other subjects in addition to authoring articles
for the Brigade Dispatch, etc. In fact, I'm pretty sure that he presented at the
Old State House in Boston on "Recreating His Majesty's 29th Regiment of Foot"
(http://www.bostonhistory.org/?s=osh&p=calendar).

I don't know if I was included in the spirit of this note since I was the one
who initially recommended that a hot-dipped tin canteen was preferable to a
stainless steel one. I did attempt to take a more subdued approached than Greg,
but I see nothing wrong with something out as incorrect when it is. I tried to
keep it civil, offered a source for said hot-dipped tin canteens (i.e. "Passing
on information about resources"), and I frequently share research and announce
events.

I may take a different tone than Greg, but I do not see that we need to sing
kumbaya either. Stainless steel canteens are wrong and there is a more
historically accurate alternative in the same price range. Beards with some
documented exceptions were not common in civilian life and actively discouraged
in the military, making it incorrect as well. Same goes for lantern stands, fire
irons, etc. which have come up in this debate. There is nothing wrong with
calling something out for what it is, though you can do it constructively.

Cheers,
Todd


On 03/02/12, gffranks3 wrote:

I personally find it unfortunate the members of RevList feel the need to use it
as an outlet for their issues and personal rage rather than:
Sharing research
Announcing events
Making inquiries
Passing on information about resources
Recruiting new members
I hope this changes in the near future. I for one find it less and less
compelling as an on-line resource related to the Revolutionary War era.
Cheers,
George F. Franks, III

George,

I'm compelled to say I don't understand your comment below. There are certainly
instances of personal comment vented here over the years. I have found them
generally brief and resolved in a short time. I cannot see any other way to deal
with them than has been done by the Moderators? I myself was recently called to
task for a careless expression of anger by a member who appeared to throw the
research by some very accomplished list members out as an alleged joke. The
other most recent episode was the listing of some fleece lined slippers as a
camp/sleeping covering, disguised as army blanket material. This posting is and
should be ridiculed, although not with any malice or "rage".

Maybe there should be two Rev Lists? One that serves your goals below, of
which I strongly agree and support. The other might be called Rev List Light?
Here would be room for the fleece lined slipper interests, Iron Lantern stand
proponents, Crepe sole shoe wearers, plastic lined canteens, stainless steel
accouterments and other such whimsical fancies that fly in the face of
historical accuracy? The "Lights" ( with apologies to those that emulate and
field as Light Infantry) would therefore be free to discuss and mutually
support each other in the above and myriad of other fantasy's without fear? That
would leave Rev List alone to fulfill your quite reasonable goals? Make the
Moderator's job less stressful ( for which I apologize)?

Short of that, well there's gonna be eventful conflict. Hopefully without malice
and rage, but human nature is what it is.

Respectfully George, with only a mild tip of tongue in cheek.

Jack Reimer


________________________________
  From: gffranks3 <franksconsultinggroup@...>
To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: [Revlist] RevList: Canteens, Beards et al.


 
I personally find it unfortunate the members of RevList feel the need to use it
as an outlet for their issues and personal rage rather than:
Sharing research
Announcing events
Making inquiries
Passing on information about resources
Recruiting new members
I hope this changes in the near future.  I for one find it less and less
compelling as an on-line resource related to the Revolutionary War era.
Cheers,
George F. Franks, III




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Van Cortlandt House Museum sponsors a Tailoring Workshop – March 31 – April 1,
2012

Van Cortlandt House Museum has accepted the offer of talented tailor and
craftsman Jake Pontillo to lead a two-day workshop to create a man's 18th
century shirt. Jake is a long time re-enactor, talented porcupine quill worker,
and volunteer barkeep at the Queens County Farm Museum's popular Tavern Nights. 
Jake's tailoring skills are wonderful and he is a natural teacher having worked
at Ten Mile River Boy Scout Camp for more years than he would probably like to
count and having recently retired as a high school teacher.  Participants should
be prepared to spend the weekend hand-sewing and depending on their skill level
will finish or get very close to finishing a shirt. You have a choice of
bringing your own pre-washed linen OR you can purchase it at the workshop. White
linen will be available for $8.00 a yard (2 1/2 yards required for a shirt) A
gingham check may also be available if it can be sourced ($10.00 per yard). 
Participants should bring their own sewing kit including fabric shears, pins,
needles, and other tools they like to sew with.

Participants may choose to arrive on Friday evening and indoor sleeping space is
available (cots are recommended).  Van Cortlandt House Museum is conveniently
located off Route 87/Major Deegan Expressway, the Henry Hudson Parkway and is
approximately 10 minutes from the George Washington Bridge.

Registration is $50.00 and includes lunch on Saturday and Sunday. A chip-in
dinner will be held Saturday night at the Museum.

For more information or to register, please e-mail: 
Laura.Carpenter@...

Jack,

Well there is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rwprogressive. On that list,
"snuggies" take the form of your three or more bunk mates in a hand-finished
linen canvas tent.

Cheers,
Todd

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Jack Reimer <crownscot@...> wrote:

> Maybe there should be two Rev Lists? One that serves your goals below, of
which I strongly agree and support. The other might be called Rev List Light?

My apologies if my attempt at satire offended anyone.
As a professional humor writer, I seek to amuse rather than offend, but
invariably cross the line from time to time.
Don N. Hagist
http://revolutionaryimprints.com
http://redcoat76.blogspot.com

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "gffranks3" <franksconsultinggroup@...> wrote:
>
> I personally find it unfortunate the members of RevList feel the need to use
it as an outlet for their issues and personal rage rather than:
> Sharing research
> Announcing events
> Making inquiries
> Passing on information about resources
> Recruiting new members
> I hope this changes in the near future.  I for one find it less and less
compelling as an on-line resource related to the Revolutionary War era.
> Cheers,
> George F. Franks, III
>

It's not like you share research Don. For shame.

Cheers,
Todd


On 03/02/12, donhagist wrote:

My apologies if my attempt at satire offended anyone.
As a professional humor writer, I seek to amuse rather than offend, but
invariably cross the line from time to time.
Don N. Hagist
http://revolutionaryimprints.com
http://redcoat76.blogspot.com

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "gffranks3" <franksconsultinggroup@...> wrote:
>
> I personally find it unfortunate the members of RevList feel the need to use
it as an outlet for their issues and personal rage rather than:
> Sharing research
> Announcing events
> Making inquiries
> Passing on information about resources
> Recruiting new members
> I hope this changes in the near future. I for one find it less and less
compelling as an on-line resource related to the Revolutionary War era.
> Cheers,
> George F. Franks, III
>




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To subscribe to Revlist, please go to the home page at
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE: please send a message to Revlist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
with "unsubscribe" in the subject line.Yahoo! Groups Links

Todd,

 Yahoo shows that link leads to a non existent group? Huh?

Jack


________________________________
  From: Todd Post <todd.post2@...>
To: "Revlist@yahoogroups.com" <Revlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Revlist] RevList: Canteens, Beards et al.


 
Jack,

Well there is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rwprogressive. On that list,
"snuggies" take the form of your three or more bunk mates in a hand-finished
linen canvas tent.

Cheers,
Todd

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Jack Reimer <crownscot@...> wrote:

> Maybe there should be two Rev Lists? One that serves your goals below, of
which I strongly agree and support. The other might be called Rev List Light?



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Todd,

No such link exists. Huh?

Jack


________________________________
  From: Todd Post <todd.post2@...>
To: "Revlist@yahoogroups.com" <Revlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Revlist] RevList: Canteens, Beards et al.


 
Jack,

Well there is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rwprogressive. On that list,
"snuggies" take the form of your three or more bunk mates in a hand-finished
linen canvas tent.

Cheers,
Todd

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Jack Reimer <crownscot@...> wrote:

> Maybe there should be two Rev Lists? One that serves your goals below, of
which I strongly agree and support. The other might be called Rev List Light?



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jack,

In some mail programs, if you click on a link with punctuation at the end of it,
it includes the punctuation. Try it with cut and paste and exclude the period
from the sentence.

Cheers,
Todd


On 03/02/12, Jack Reimer wrote:

Todd,

Yahoo shows that link leads to a non existent group? Huh?

Jack

It happened on the group web page too. Try this -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RWProgressive/

Joseph

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@...> wrote:
>
>  Jack,
>
> In some mail programs, if you click on a link with punctuation at the end of
it, it includes the punctuation. Try it with cut and paste and exclude the
period from the sentence.
>
> Cheers,
> Todd
>
>
> On 03/02/12, Jack Reimer wrote:
>
> Todd,
>
> Yahoo shows that link leads to a non existent group? Huh?
>
> Jack
>

got it here !!! Thanks...........joined. ( till someone recognizes my name..)


________________________________
  From: Joseph Ruckman <jruckman@...>
To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Revlist] RevList: Canteens, Beards et al.


 
It happened on the group web page too. Try this -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RWProgressive/

Joseph

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@...> wrote:
>
>  Jack,
>
> In some mail programs, if you click on a link with punctuation at the end of
it, it includes the punctuation. Try it with cut and paste and exclude the
period from the sentence.
>
> Cheers,
> Todd
>
>
> On 03/02/12, Jack Reimer wrote:
>
> Todd,
>
> Yahoo shows that link leads to a non existent group? Huh?
>
> Jack
>




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On 2/28/2012 6:35 PM, Sgt42RHR@... wrote:
>
> Gentle List,
> I got mine form  Burnley and Trowbridge
>

Paul



> I would like to obtain a pair of mules and would appreciate greatly
> suggestions for sources of same.
>
> I thank you for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> John M. Johnston (Late Captain, 42d Grenr. Compy.)
> "There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness." Dave Barry
>
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>
>



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Jay,

Will you please send me an email so I'll have your address?  I lost it in a
computer hard drive problem.

Walter M. McIntyre

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Mmm..... I thought I provided my e-mail address for people with a problem with
my little statement to opine....OFF the list....... SS canteens,their appearance
depends on what type of  composition they are.Some will shine,others are
dull,darker in appearance.Some will hold a magnet. Copper? I have been told that
there is a documented  Copper canteen from the F&I war.I portray Morgan's
Rifle COy from the Shenandoah Valley 1775.They provided their own gear.
Why open myself up? I like to bait "holier than thou" types.It's a hobby of
mine.

From: ebolton123 <ebolton123@...>
To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: [Revlist] Re: Great Deal on Stainless Steel Canteens


 
Gene,
So why open yourself up for anything? Since you brought it up...copper? What
about these things too while we're at it? I have not seen anything on period
correctness for copper canteens (admittadly not being an expert on EVERY aspect
of the period).
Cheers,
Bob Bolton
Pa. Associators

--- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Gene Bono <gbuscg@...> wrote:
>
> Oh My...should I say it? I have a stainless steel canteen,in fact two.One is
wrapped in wool and the other is inside a dummy copper canteen I put
together,with the spout big enough to put small tubular ice cubes in. Those who
are frothing at the mouth about my "fopau"(spelling?) may address thier
derogatory remarks to me personally at gbuscg@... Hey let's talk a about
footwear,that's another fun topic....in particular military boots!
>  
> Gene
>
> From: William <modmoradi@...>
> To: Revlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:16 PM
> Subject: [Revlist] Re: Great Deal on Stainless Steel Canteens
>
>
>  
> Thank you Bob, well said, and noted. I appreciate it when people take the time
to explain things! I never claimed it to be dirty, I was just questioning the
metallurgy involved, as modern metals while they may be primarily tin, can
contain mercury and lead, depending on the manufacturer. I would never promote
farbiness, that was meant as a bit of a joke. I did like John's idea of a fabric
cover, although I'd have to research is that was done... At least it may be an
alternative for people that do prefer stainless (Let's be honest, some people
do). If there is anyone who wishes to berate me, please send me a private email
to modmoradi@... There's no class in doing it publicly.
> Cheers my Friends~
> William
>
> --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "ebolton123" <ebolton123@> wrote:
> >
> > William,
> > I know I can spot them...they are so bright they reflect sunlight like a
spotlight. I shame any sutlers selling those things. Plastic is even
cleaner...hell...lets throw accuracy totally out the window and lets all carry
plastic ones sprayed tin color!
> > Honestly there is nothing "dirty" about the tin canteens lined with pitch or
beeswax. And if taken care of will last 10 years. I have had mine for 15 and not
one taste of rust.
> > I appreciate your post was a friendly heads up to your fellow reenactors,
but I just don't think we should be promoting "farbiness"...it's what I thought
we were trying so hard to get away from since 1976!
> > Cheers,
> > Bob Bolton
> > Pa. Associators
> >
> >
> > --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, "William" <modmoradi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very true! I wasn't aware of that tinsmith... Excellent prices on those
too! I realize that tin with pitch is actually period, but I'm sure there are
people (like me) who would prefer a cleaner alternative to drink from. If you
spot my stainless canteen on the field, you are free to mock my farbiness..!
> > > Cheers!
> > > William
> > >
> > > --- In Revlist@yahoogroups.com, Todd Post <todd.post2@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Except that stainless steel is inappropriate. Get a hot-dipped tin
canteen if you need to from Carl Giorando.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:25 PM, "William" <modmoradi@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Greetings~
> > > > > I saw a listing on ebay for stainless steel kidney canteens for $40
shipped... (I think Godwin's are $62+shipping). They have 7 on hand, and can
order more. I'm not affiliated with the seller in any way, just thought I'd pass
on a good deal!
> > > > > Here's the auction:
> > > > >
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320857402106?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m142\
3.l2649
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Revlist/ and click "Join This Group!"
> > > > >
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Revlist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > with "unsubscribe" in the subject line.Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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