Salvete Marce Hortati, Jesse, Phillipeque;
here I am, I was out all day yesterday, I'm auditing Latin at UNC..

Here is a very complete reading list for Pythagorean philsophy, compiled by A.
Sempronius Regulus with a few additions from me.
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_philosophy#Pythagoreanism


The Anthology is a very nice way to start. or Kahn or Riedweg, all so solid.
Burkert's book is famous, but unfortunately he is of the old school of
scholarship that dismissed theurgy and shamanic elements of pythagoras as
'nonsense' so he doesn't have a holistic view of the philosopher.

I'd avoid, long tracts on theurgy, the Golden Verses are wonderful if you want
pithy pythagorean doxoi. Also Iamblichus' 'Pythagorean way of life' . If you
want to dive deep try "Ancient Philosophy, Religion and Magic" erudite,
speculative, almost a dream. Kingsley understands Pythagoras; he was a shaman.
When you read about Pythagoras descending into the earth...you will see the
connection.

Finally, Plato took quite a bit from Pythagoras...so someone like Iamblichus,
can be seen as a Pythagorean, Bolus of Mendes too. Kingsley discusses this. But
Plato is really with in my area..

I hope this is helpful, if you have more questions, just ask, I'm happy to help!
optime vale Maior



-- In ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Ciao bello
>
> I am a little surprised that Hortensia hasn't answered you first. She may
have something to offer as I know Pythagorean philosophy interests her.
Iamblichus may have been a Neoplatonist, it's hard to tell with him sometimes.
A nice little handbook is (in English) "Mathematics Useful for Understanding
Plato" by Theon of Smyrna. Theon was a Neo-Pythagorean of the second century C.
E. around the time that Plotinus at Rome begins Neoplatonism. There was a
French translation by J. Dupuis in 1892, and an English translation by R. and D.
Lawlor in 1979.
>
> Theon's work is incomplete. Of the four Pythagorean sciences only part of his
section on Arithmetic remains. Geometry is wholly missing, but Music
(proportions) and Astronomy remain. No modern explanation of Pythagoreanism can
offer the depth of understanding that this little book offers.
>
> Vale optime
> M. Moravius Piscinus
>
> --- In ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com, Jesse Corradino <woden66@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salve Moravius,
> >
> >
> >
> > Another excellent post as always. Is there any chance you could direct me
to some source material on Pythagoreanism? I'm very interested in the teachings
of that tradition, but I'm really unsure where to begin besides maybe
Iamblichus, but I'm not even sure if there are any extent works of his.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Jesse Corradino
> >
> > > To: ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: MHoratius@
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:28:41 +0000
> > > Subject: [ReligioRomana] Re: ceres
> > >
> > > Salve Philippe
> > >
> > > Not for Ceres as such, since the Romans did not go into such hermetic
correspondances. However, the Pythagoreans associated the number two with the
Nature of the Primal Matter of the Dyad, and thus it was said (I think it was by
Iamblichus) that two is the number of Isis, Rhea, Phrygia, Lydia, Dindymene,
Cybele, Ceres, Demeter, Erato, Diana, Dictymna, Venus, Dione, Cytherea, Juno,
Maia, and the Mother of Wisdom. The number two, the Dyad, represents the
division of the Godhead (Monad) into male and female components, and is
associated moreso with the female generative powers (three being the male
generative power). Two is also associated with matter, and thus with the element
Earth. And as such, earth Goddesses were associated with the number two as well.
> > >
> > > In the Greek mathesis, too, Philolaus said that the angle of the square
was the angle of Demeter, Rhea, and Hestia, "for as the square is the substance
of the earth and the element nearest it, as we learn from the 'Timaeus'
(173.15), and since the earth receives the effluences and generative powers from
all these Goddesses, he rightly dedicates the angle of the square to these
life-giving divine forces (Proclus, Comments on Euclid's Elements, Book I,
173)."
> > >
> > > Every straight line-segment designates a square, which can be constructed
on it by euclidean geometry. Thus the diagonal of any square designates a second
square that, as it turns out, relates to the first square in a proportion of 2:1
in area. Thus any single square gives rise to a series of squares that multiply
in an harmonic relationship. The diagonal of a square represents one of the
three divine principles of generation.
> > >
> > > The association of numbers with Gods and Goddesses were given as such:
> > >
> > > 1 The Monad: Jupiter, Vesta, Apollo, Prometheus, Amon-Ra, Proteus, Wisdom,
Deity.
> > >
> > > 2 The Dyad: as above, Isis, Rhea, Phrygia, Lydia, Dindymene, Cybele,
Ceres, Demeter, Erato, Diana, Dictymna, Venus, Dione, Cytherea, Juno, Maia, and
the Mother of Wisdom.
> > >
> > > 3 The Tryad: Saturnus, Latona, Thetis, Hecate, Polymnia, Pluto, Triton,
Tritogenia, Acheleus, Fates, Furies, Graces, Wisdom, Knowledge, Cerebeus.
> > >
> > > 4 Physis of the Tetrad: Hercules, Mercurius, Vulcanus, Bacchus, Urania.
> > >
> > > 5.The Quintessence of the Pentad:Pallas, Nemesis, Bast, Bubastis, Venus,
Cytherea.
> > >
> > > 6 The Harmony of the Hexad: Orpheus, Fides, Lachesis, Thalia, Harmonia.
> > >
> > > 7 The Perfect Order of the Septad: Zoe, Minerva, Fortuna, Osiris, Mars,
Cleo.
> > >
> > > 8 The Regenerative Power of the Ogdoad: Rhea, Cybele, Cadmonea, Dindymene,
Orcia, Neptunus, Themis, Euterpe, Thoth.
> > >
> > > 9. The Ennead: Prometheus, Vulcanus, Juno, Paean, Terpsichore, Tritogenia,
Curetes, Proserpina, Hypeperion.
> > >
> > > 10 The Decad: Atlas, Urania, Mnemosyne, Sol, Phanes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale optime
> > > M. Moravius Horatianus
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com, "philippe cardon"
<philippe.cardon01@> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > is somenumber sacred to ceres,
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > Philippus galicus
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